Fun fact: During WW1 and WW2 British Admiralty tended to give captaincy of destroyers to the most Batshit insane Naval officers we had If you were patient and calm you got carriers , Cruisers , subs ,battleships and Battlecruisers If you were a modern day pirate you got a destroyer This lead to several cases of Destroyer crews suddenly getting the urge to board and loot enemy vessels So this ends up in cases of British destroyers circling enemy ships like sharks waiting for there chance to bring back the good old days of the Age of Sail
Don't forget Submarine commanders are also a different breed of officer and be quite crazy enough to match wits against the most dangerous Destroyer commanders.
They didn’t just circle enemy ships either. After the Americans joined and got their shit together in the pacific, the Britts started preying on them hoping to take the ice-scream rations for themselves. The Americans, of course, figured out that when you are sending large waves of planes from your aircraft carriers, sometimes a plane has to ditch in the sea before making it back home. And having a bunch of British destroyer pirates circling them like sharks and holding their precious pilots for ransom was preferable to having actual sharks circling the pilots. So good deal all around
That sounds simultaneously amazing *and drop-dead terrifying!* 💀 I wouldn't want to be on the enemy ship watching that bigass destroyer circling me like an orca eyeing a seal, just awaiting my doom!
@@MrDibara The US equivalent is the Battle of Samar, where a bunch of tin cans and floating powder kegs fended off the Japanese armada led by Yamato herself.
They have survived into the post Endor period in a ship with minimal armament, a god awful stock top speed, and a slow hyperdrive. Thats a recipe for the mix of competent and crazy thats pretty damn rare amongst Imperials in “cannon”.
I kind of like the idea that the imperials are basically switching roles the rebels, the imperials are now the insurgents and the rebels are now the government. It would be a pretty interesting see the imperials adopting the rebels mentality and and way of doing things when it comes to fighting the new Republic. Pretty subversive in a way despite the imperials being the villains of the story. I'm hoping Disney sticks to that, but I don't have much confidence in them.
@@therealslimshady3662 Very true and very sad, hope they portray them something along the lines of isis in Iraq, the Taliban of Afghanistan, what are the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia.
@@cane6074 Idk, the empire is a former religious dictatorship breaking apart while the new republic is a democracy reestablishing itself after a (on the grand scale) short period of extremism. Essentially you have a very well equipped military that got broken up into smaller forces that may or may not ally with each other, while a large galactic government slowly gets up to speed on (re)building a military and things. Remaining Star Destroyers and bases would be hidden to protect them while the new republic would have to deal with raids by Gozanti's and other smaller craft. Contacts between former imperial splinters would be much more like medieval feudal lords fighting each other.
@@therealslimshady3662 the Star destroyers would really work as strategic strike weapons, entering an undefended or under defended systems, and using its heavy turbo lasers and Starfighter contingent to unleash devastation on key infrastructure and then disappear into darkness before the new Republican rally of military response. Thrawn used that tactic in terrifyingly effective way.
Oh they do. A lot. It's just it's more the 'shoot you in it at the first opportunity with alarming regularity' kind. Or worse, Darth Vader hijacking your ship because he's trying to reconnect with his estranged son again.
Titus Welliver has a lot of credits to his name, mostly bit parts, but always memorable, in my opinion. I'm tempted to take a look at the 'Bosch' series, in which he plays the title role.
@@GenerationTechshould cast Clancy Brown as an imperial Admiral others like Liam Neison and Tommy Lee Jones would also make great imperial Senior officers
the bad batch captain struck me as arrogant the mando captain struck me as the dude who will grill u out for not doing up a strap properly so he can get his reliable near stall climb
For lower levels, it's the Wayfarer-class with a hangar attachment if you have a hotshot pilot or two in your party, or the cargo attachment if you don't.
Remember using a suicide pill to avoid capture is not necessarily an act of fanaticism, in the case of imperial personnel they have probably been told their entire lives that rebels are insane terrorists and that a quick death for the Empire is preferable to what the rebels will do to them if they're taken alive (and If it's Saw Gerrera's band we're talking about, they're probably not even wrong)! The fact that torturing captives is totally what the imperials would do if the roles were reversed just makes it easier to convince them that is what will happen. In the case of that Imperial captain on the prison ship especially. A bunch of unstable, mutinous clone troopers (well known as some of the most hardcore fighting men in the galaxy), are threatening to essentially torture the info they want out of him. Choosing death by shock capsule may have been as much due to fear of what the clones were going to do as it was dedication to the Empire.
Japan did a similar thing in WW2. They showed what they did to POWs and told their soldiers that the Americans were worse, as a result very few Japanese soldiers surrendered.
I'd argue that the Gozanti is one of the imperial navy's more practical ships; it fills an adaptable role that can see it operating without waste in many theatres. It can operate as a freighter, an e-war vessel, fire support and often serves to carry a wing of fighters for peacekeeping and airspace enforcement. An incredibly useful support package coming in at a fraction of the price of the star destroyers the empire often fielded to wastefully fill such benign roles.
Much like its cousin the Technical it is practically better in nearly all respects other than crew survivability than more expensive weapons platforms, because if you get hit your ride is toast anyway these days.
in starwars i'm inclined to think the term "cruiser" is a term that applies to any ship with specific characteristics. Basically, a Cruiser is any warship with a hyperdrive that is equipped primarily with full power cannons and full power shields, as opposed to Frigates with are purpose-built escort ships with primarily anti-fighter weapons or Corvettes ships built to civilian standards and equipped with minimal shields. Star Destroyer is a term that reflects Cruisers built in a dagger shape with weapons orientated to give the ship max end on firepower (that is forward facing) Star Destroyers are intended to be aggressive offensively orientated ships with extremely high firepower for their weight particularly for engaging targets in the forward cone of fire. Its worth pointing out that if you have REALLY good end on Fire multiple Star destroyers can fire on a single ship with virtually every gun on board. Types of Ships in Starwars therfore fall into these catagories: Star Cruisers: Battle Cruisers (Includes Imperial Class STD) Heavy Cruisers (Includes Victory STD and Venator STD) Light Cruisers (basic low-capacity patrol ships like Carrack class and Gozanti) still equipped with military grade shields and anti-ship rated Blasters Frigates (Equipped for pirate or anti-fighter defense) Corvettes Civilian built, equipped with light shields, and low rated weapons. Gunships, equipped only with rapid fire anti-star fighter blasters and sometimes torpedoes. Fighters: Snub Fighters: Ships equipped with Hyper Drive, X-wing, Y-Wing, ARC-170, TIE Advanced Defensive Fighters: Ships like TIEs, typically cheaper and lacking shields. Delta 7, Z-95 Head Hunter, V-Wing, Tie Interceptor.
To an extent, this adaptability is seen in the table top gamr armada. Gozantis with the right upgrades and officers can field 4 tie squadrens, making them a useful mini carrier. They can also equip various support upgrades, which can help bombers more reliably land their shots and deal damage against critical areas, disrupt the enemies ability to command their ships with slicing tools, or even resupply friendly ships with ammo- not to mention a repair bonus to any friendly ships its nearby- all depending on how you want to kit it up.
To an extent, this adaptability is seen in the table top gamr armada. Gozantis with the right upgrades and officers can field 4 tie squadrens, making them a useful mini carrier. They can also equip various support upgrades, which can help bombers more reliably land their shots and deal damage against critical areas, disrupt the enemies ability to command their ships with slicing tools, or even resupply friendly ships with ammo- not to mention a repair bonus to any friendly ships its nearby- all depending on how you want to kit it up.
Another thing to consider is that these also weren't standard Gozanti cruiser captains. Both of the captains you used as examples were dealing with either sensitive data or critcal equipment and were trusted to be the kind of captains to Kamikaze if it came down to it. And the captain from Mando was also an extremist, as most Imperials in that sector at that time were, maybe not to the degree of those who would form the First Order but still. Almost wouldn't doubt his crew would have followed the order to crash to the letter.
@@GenerationTechHe got yelled at over the phone and online, but no legal trouble ensued. He'd traded in his truck to a legitimate dealer and had not control over where it went afterwards. He was quite embarrassed, though.
@@angelic_disappointment7889 Theoretical max carrying capacities don't tell you much, just the amount of aircraft it could theoretical store if you cram it into every space it fits.
it wasnt terrible just his life experience didnt line up to other peoples. he always articulates himself well the mando captain was just an average trucky as far as im concerned. think bro steering with his foot and smoking a crackpipe truckies lol@@tk-6967
It's hard to be glad when you command a ship that low no Captain wants to command that transport Star destroyers, light cruisers, quiazars fire class cruisers raider class, victory class, oninager class, cantwell class, secutor class, Interdictor all of these capital ships are above that commission
Honestly, seeing that officer shoot his two pilots then try to commit suicide by crashing then actually doing it kinda shocked me for how brutal it was for a star wars show.
One thing to take note of the Gozanti captains that committed suicide was the circumstances of their mission. In The Bad Batch, those clones were going to Tantiss, a location that the Empire needed kept secret, so the officers sent there had to be willing to take their own life to defend it. And in Mandalorian, Moff Gideon's location needed to be kept a secret to prevent the Imperial Remnant from losing a vital asset. So there's likely a psychological aspect to the extremism those captains have
The captain of a gozanti would have known all the men under him intimately, the ship being so small and having such a small complement. And would have been used to deal with enemy combatants that often had equal if not better ships than them while far away from imperial support. These people were probably the most competent officers in the empire by sheer natural selection, used to improvise and stay on long patrols on detached duty. Probably the only captains that had to not be too insufferable as a mutiny, unlike with an ISD, was a possible threat on their ships. It takes someone with balls of steel and the brains to back them up to thrive in such an enviroment.
driving an 80 ton air seeder bar + articulated tractor requires a LOT of moxie u got barely enough thrust to lift at load and you are a military target in that gozanti class
i see a lot of non truck driver perspectives here fair enought, but u have to actually command a multi combination truck with 60 metric tons loaded. the clutch pops up every combustion stroke, the gear selector will fling out of your hands if you dont know how to "muscle" a road ranger into gear with revs. it takes a certain amount of a lack of mechanical sympathy to drive heavy stuff. idling the truck i drive is actually bad for it because low oil pressure. revving it up instead of idling increases longevity as it has 0 load out of gear. you need to be heavy handed with heavy machinery, while also being smooth. it takes great restraint but also great self confidence to say. im going to turn this 60 ton 2 trailer rig here and it WILL make it bro was perfect for the job and it would be an honor to rip that gozanti freighter downwards at full tilt on his word
This analysis doesn't make any sense. The reason that officer from Mando Season 2 was batshit crazy is because he was part of Gideon's remnant, they are all crazy, Season 3 mentions how infamous and extreme Gideon was. Him being the captain of a Gozanti does not suggest anything about other Gozanti captains either. Given that he had one of the tooth things, he was probably ex-ISB or something, as Mando S2 suggests that most remaining officers were not really military, but more COMPNOR/science division officers, who were crazy af. The same goes for the Gozanti captain in TBB S2, he was not just any Gozanti captain, he was working for Hemlock and was clearly involved in the Advanced Science Division's work, not just some random officer. Therefore it once again makes sense why he had a suicide tooth thing, since he had very important information.
Yes, you are correct, but the point the video made is that captaining a Gozanti was a great opportunity for Imperials seeking to rise the ranks in the Navy. So you’d see a large number of ambitious and fanatical people occupying those positions, eager to prove their loyalty to the Empire. The two Gozanti captains who took the quick way out happened to be involved in highly secretive operations, hence why they even had the zap pill things at all. Were it any other Gozanti, the captain might’ve been headstrong and fought against boarders, hoping to either die in the Empire’s service, or better yet to fend off the attackers and receive accolades, praise and reputation for his deeds.
The Gozanti cruiser is a patrol vessel, they fought pirates, not blew up planets or carried slaves. If anyone were to believe in the Empire it would be them. Like a US navy officer fighting pirates believes in what they're doing, but a US soldier in vietnam may have second thoughts.
An easily overlooked detail. Officially the Empire was efficient. So if a number of outposts needed a certain amount of supplies, they got exactly that. Which means transports, like the role the Gozanti sometimes served, often had free cargo space. Even if it's just one metric ton, some officers or even Stormtroopers would gladly pay for better rations and other luxury items. If they are not important enough for Holonet access, even entertainment would be welcome. Not to mention equipment and supplies not endorsed by the Empire, but would make their lives easier. Essentially the Captain of a Gozanti could make a lot of cash on the side during his career, even if he had to grease his crew and a few others at some spaceports.
I roleplayed a Gozanti captain in a two-shot, set during Second Civil War. I confirm, you have to be out there to survive. Among other things, I had to smuggle one of player characters in Bacta tank, disguised as part of supplies, took bronze medal in Adumari starfighter competition and ran ship dark to hide us from the Yuuzhan Vong warship, until it passed us by.
@@GenerationTechDisneys greatest failure....not following the established continuity....having kylo ren makes no jaina, jacen, or Anakin....which means no Vong unless they redo it all....which would suck. Recast the main cast as younger versions like Solo did and pick up where ROTJ ended. Follow the books. Thrawn needs justice....😮
In the Star Wars universe the ship term "Cruiser" is double used, one is the warship class. The other is a civilian term for a kind of ship that carries both cargo and passengers. But not enough of ether to really be a cargo freighter or a passenger liner. They have most or all of the amenities like med bay, galley, refresher, staterooms. No where as nice as a real Yacht. A list in no particular order, Corellian Engineering Corporation Consular-Class Cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Guardian-class light cruiser, Republic Shipyards Jedi Justice Cruiser, Koensayr Manufacturing ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser, Kuat Drive Yards KDY security cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Guardian 344-class light cruiser 'not the same as the last one', Tipoca City engineering Type-22 Neptune Light Cruiser, Padawan Academic Cruiser, The Jedi Cruiser from the Old Republic era, Nihil Spider Cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Warden-class light cruiser and we could go on.
And all ship classes are insanely broad compared to real life... Let's not forget both the ventor and IMP I are crusers too just more closely related to a theorical helicopter cruser and battle cruser.
The British at the beginning of ww2 took cargo ships mounted obsolete ww1 guns on it . One the Jarvis Bay fought a German battleship and lost. It sacrificed itself to give the convoy time to escape.
they have to be crazy they are esentially driving a land cruiser with 3 trailers being hunted by baja buggies my wagon requires a heavy hand a heavier ball bag to make it go around corners properly at 140kmh (75ish in freedom units?)
I would say that the Gozanti-class cruiser is more like the Imperial version of a DC-3. A versatile (but far too-often underestimated) workhorse of aviation that's still in operation nearly a century later...all around the world!
Depends on your definition of the term cruiser because the germans called their commerce raiders in ww1 cruisers and they were basically mostly converted cargo ships or passenger liners.
This is by far the best and most insightful SW video I have seen, like, ever. People be bitching over lightesaber colours and you're out there explaining the very economic and social basis of the Empire itself! 5/5 stars my dude
The Gozanti actually reminds me of the M1008 used by the Army National Guard. Which is basically just a Chevy pickup truck painted in Olive drab and says US army on it
The population of Curascant wasn't all rich, middle class or happy either. The bottom kilometer or two of the planet city was barely mapped, barely controlled by anyone and tax men were not the most heavily armed extortionists not even counting the horrific wildlife even before the Vong invaded. The Empire could've easily formed every stormtrooper battalion out of people fleeing the lower levels of the capital world alone.
There's a naval idea that, from fighters to whole ships, that the older or the more antiquated a thing is, the nuttier its pilots or commanders have to be.
Thumbnail had me thinking Wonder Woman for a moment. I haven't seen any of this, though. To be honest, I haven't watched modern Star Wars since The Last Jedi and the forcing of watching 9 against my requests. I have watched the rest of The Clone Wars and Kenobi's first half for Hayden.
In fairness, those ships were great for certain uses and were super versatile. As you said, perfect for low intensity patrols in the outer rim. Yeah, that sense of power when you are a big fish in a little pond probably has something to do with this pattern of behavior lol. But you have to appreciate the unsung workhorses for what they do. They aren’t glamorous, fast, or particularly powerful, but they’ll get the job done and bring you home. Usually.
It could be that the captain from mandalorian was one of those who dealt with these super secret black ops type missions like transporting clones to secret bases and had fallen under Gideon as he gathered resources for his own cloning projects. Theres probably a massive difference in imperial remnants where you get a garrison of soldiers who were posted in some remote region basically on guard duty and on the other hand you have officers whose projects are so secretive that they have major assets that are safe from the new republic, and now those two groups have to work together as the core military has been dismantled.
This is almost certainly true considering his pilots. One was a Navy pilot and the guy in black was most likely an Imperial Intelligence Officer. Which is the part that puzzles me, as it would've been he who would've pulled the trigger on the other pilot and then helped the Captain crash the ship.
“All humans when given the chance to steal, exploit and take more than their fair share will find a way to justify it to themselves”. Not all humans will engage in theft, exploitation or taking more than their fair share. Many people earn what they receive and may achieve more and receive more for it. You may have many chances to steal or exploit and instead simply control yourself. Still a great and appreciated video!!
No? "Star Destroyers" are not cruisers by any stretch other then the role of "cruising" that they might do,they're BattleCarriers. Whilst the role that destroyers would do are taken up by all the corvettes and frigates. But Star Wars has done in abundance was to throw away sizes as a measure of a ships' class. The Guardian-class light cruiser is a mere 42 m long,whilst the suspiciously Nebelon B frigate looking "Mercy" medical frigate was...2000 m long. Because our own Naval history was screwed up enough.
@@NareshSinghOctagon the Term "Star Destroyer" has nothing to do with "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" of the 20th Century, any more than the "Star Cruisers" have anything to do with the terrestrial cruisers of the 20th Century. We can assume that the term evolved from other points- like Star Cruiser evolved from a term for a warship that has a hyperdrive.
You have given good reasons for the behavior of these ship commanders. In the legends, for example in the X-Wing novel "Bacta Pirates", it was described that the partners and families of imperial traitors, deserters and defectors could and were executed as punishment. So these partners and families were hostages who ensured that the ship crews remained "loyal". This practice was described as a standard procedure, or at least gave the impression that it was. Even after the fall of Coruscant to the Rebel Alliance, when the Empire had lost access to virtually unlimited resources and supplies and had to budget its troops, this was practiced. So the suicide of the captains was perhaps less fanaticism than protection of families and partners. The Nazis called this "Sippenhaft". From 1933 onward, the Nazis employed “Sippenhaft” (family liability punishment) sporadically as a repressive measure against relatives of opponents of the regime. It served to stoke fear in the populace.
Want to add to what you said, there are different categories of ships. But to keep it very basic, there is Light, medium/standard jack of all trades, and your heavy cruisers were closer to a Battleship, but then this would have subcategories. To put it simply Medium Cruisers were heavily armed, but were not as fast as a light cruiser but not as slow as a Battleship. There also comparable to a jack of all trades since it is often utilized for conversion to be a heavier armed, lightly armed serving more as an escort vessel with the appropriate amount of anti-starfighter fire. The Gozanti however is a Heavy Cruiser Carrier. It has weaponry that is comparable to a battleship or early dreadnoughts. But the capability of a light carrier.
One thing that never made sense to me was how a military structure could simultaneously be so filled to the brim with corruption yet so able to inspire such loyalty in certain places. On the one hand, that garrison commander from what I assume was the Bad Batch that showed up in this video who was so willing to undercut the rules for his own benefit with no oversight, and on the other a bunch of Gozanti Cruiser Captains and Stormtroopers who were willing to die even beyond the collapse of their own institutions.
The Imperial Military was also Massive, it was entirely possible to have a decades long career as an officer and never really see much, if any, corruption. There was also the fact that what the corruption entailed was different from place to place. In some places, the "corruption" was that an officer was providing means above and beyond for their crews and/or soldiers. Just like it could also be an officer that was obviously lining their own pockets, it varied.
*Video Idea* Ship breakdown on each class of ship in starwars. A new one to my attention is the Targe Class Guard Cruiser. And how they hold up against older and newer variants.
I personally likes the gozanti....i mean even as a warship it does a great job. If i get a gozanti cruiser i would modify a bit, i mean i would use it as a droid starfigther carrier with a super tactical droid.....for myself a comfortable quarter. And then i have a flexible ship, transporting and escorting etc
To put into perspective the number of people employed by the imperial military, it took over 1.169 BILLION people just to man the 25,000 Star Destroyers.
Titus Welliver is very experienced actor with many television credits. Aside from Bosch, his own show, he seem to have appeared in any crime drama I've seen for the past couple of decades. Whether he's playing a cop, or a mob boss, a politician. He is everywhere.
I was thinking about a story of the Imperial Navy taking over the operations of a mining venture, the main characters being the crew of a Gozanti-class cruiser and pilots of 4 TIE/mg. After watching this video, I'm thinking that the navy would assign a young officer to take command of the Gozanti, for the character tension of having to deal with a new CO. He should be a young fanatic, who wholly believes in the romanticized vision of the Galactic Empire, but I'd have to strip him of those views ... or force the crew the kill him, even though they like him, when the time comes to overthrow the Empire.
Great video but at 16:55, pretty accurate, though Rome was not yet an empire, it was still the Free Roman Republic, Caesar would not live to see it become an Empire either.
gozanti class cruiser is the toyota hiace of the ship world, very practical and dependable. but its dog slow and has lots of exposed flat panels to be dented
Also if they’re expected to fight paramilitary factions with little support, then death is preferable to being captured and tortured for info. I’d assume that if you were found to prefer death before dishonor your family will probably get better treatment and pensions as well
I had an Imperial captain, CPT Zeik Brennig, defect to the mercenary crew of players in my TTRPG, mostly because he was appalled and sick of the crazy that his fellow captains evidenced. Separated from his three Gozanti ship pirate hunting group and his ship left behind with a damaged hyperdeive, he sabotaged his own ship and had it fired upon to detonate it and his men just to vover his eacape. Now he's the Imperial captain who can lead the party to infiltrate the ISD Tyrant where he previously served as one stage of the final mission of our campaign.
Weirdly only now finding this video and honestly: Anyone still with the Imperial remnants at this time WERE the fanatics or those with belief they couldn't get out safely anyway. Frankly no in-between. Anyone bomb enough to jump ship for one reason or another has long since done so (like Migs)
It makes sense that the Empire itself would keep a tight reign on Star Destroyer captains because they are expensive and hard to replace. Gozantis on the other hand. Go wild Captain!
Reminds me of my school days in the advanced politics course, constant debates, logic and science against there emotions and facts. And then manipulating there emotion and twisting there arms metaphorical a bit so they started to make contradictions.
@@deathtrooper7760 so... funny thing here... that comment wasn't meant for this video! Gotta love UA-cam's systems. Was watching something completely different and this video was qued in my watch later and started while I was still writing. Sorry to all! Please ignore this one. I'll delete it soon. Long live Generation Tech! That said good insight mate. And thanks for taking it in stride.
It doesn’t have to do with the ship. The ship is nothing special. It has to do with the mission there on. Also the outer rim wasn’t as sparsely populated as people say. Most worlds in the outer rim had millions or tens of millions of inhabitants at least. And it wasn’t that all uncommon to see populations in the billions. Some even had greater populations then core worlds. Take a look at Eriadu Or lthe pantora moon or narshada. The problem was then the outerim was very large and un tamed. Not un populated. Gozzonti class cruisers were not a special ship. And we’re usually assigned to no body’s. Seeing as there were the most commen ship in the empire.
hard to believe that they have captains in charge or these things. should be a Lt. or so instead of a captain. its like putting captains in charge of speedboats
So from what I understand, larger ships can have self-destruction systems activated by combining the codes of the 3 top officers on board. Gozanti captains don't have this luxury but... They still have full dental! XD
Concerning your point about how the Empire got rid of bureaucrats and hence any meaningful "checks and balances" within the system: he would have undoubtedly initiated a purge but he didn't get rid of the bureaucracy itself (e.g. the Senate - at least until the Death Star was fully constructed). Also, in practice, the role of "oversight" was effectively assumed by the Imperial Security Bureau who would have monitored and kept files on all Imperial officers and politicians (not to mention most of the Galactic population), particularly those stationed on remote planets. After all, the officer featured in the Bad Batch who was running a protection racket was essentially embezzling Imperial funds.
You reminded me of it when you mentioned the Toyota with insurgents picture. In the early 2000's, a plumbing company sold a second hand toyota pickup truck, months later, it was shown in the hands of the early Taliban sighting US soldiers, with the plumbing companies decal's still on it
The gozanti is a versatile ship, it could do escorts as well as patrols, conduct reconnaissance as well as serve both as a troop transport add cargo ship and even as a heavy lifter craft and escort carrier. What I think it's even more badass as a drop ship that can deploy troops all the while providing heavy fire support to ground forces it deployed. The vessel is very good for expeditionary style operations, The ship would have been far more formidable if the imperials put far more emphasis on adaptability and flexibility then firepower in overwhelming Force as well as more importantly put more trust in their subordinates as well as encourage personal initiative then contending with micromanaging them, and valuing political reliability at the expense of competence. I think what happened is that the officers assigned to command Star destroyers off intended to get them do to there social connections and political reliability, not do to competence, resulting in the more competent officers being passed over for such postings and assigned to these types of vessels more often than not. The result is that these kind of arrangements help the Empire collapsed due to their Capital ships often not being commanded by the best, but also the more competent and cunning as well as the more ruthless and fanatical survived it's collapse as a result and had the right type of ships and expertise, and experiences that would leave them very well position them to menace the new Republic asymmetrically.
So... They're basically the Star Wars scifi equivalent to a WW1/WW2 destroyer compared to the battleship/aircraft carrier equivalent in the Imperial Star Destroyer. That said, considering that IRL destroyer captains and their crews tended to be a bit insane, this makes sense. I mean, just look at the Battle off Samar. A handful of destroyers held off what was essentially the entire Japanese Navy and were fighting ships whose turrets weighed more that their entire ship. The Japanese thought that the destroyers they were fighting were cruisers because they couldnt comprehend such small ships putting up such a fight.
Fun fact:
During WW1 and WW2 British Admiralty tended to give captaincy of destroyers to the most Batshit insane Naval officers we had
If you were patient and calm you got carriers , Cruisers , subs ,battleships and Battlecruisers
If you were a modern day pirate you got a destroyer
This lead to several cases of Destroyer crews suddenly getting the urge to board and loot enemy vessels
So this ends up in cases of British destroyers circling enemy ships like sharks waiting for there chance to bring back the good old days of the Age of Sail
Don't forget Submarine commanders are also a different breed of officer and be quite crazy enough to match wits against the most dangerous Destroyer commanders.
They didn’t just circle enemy ships either.
After the Americans joined and got their shit together in the pacific, the Britts started preying on them hoping to take the ice-scream rations for themselves.
The Americans, of course, figured out that when you are sending large waves of planes from your aircraft carriers, sometimes a plane has to ditch in the sea before making it back home. And having a bunch of British destroyer pirates circling them like sharks and holding their precious pilots for ransom was preferable to having actual sharks circling the pilots.
So good deal all around
@@merafirewing6591 They were less bat-shit insane but more so controlled crazy
That sounds simultaneously amazing *and drop-dead terrifying!* 💀 I wouldn't want to be on the enemy ship watching that bigass destroyer circling me like an orca eyeing a seal, just awaiting my doom!
@@MrDibara The US equivalent is the Battle of Samar, where a bunch of tin cans and floating powder kegs fended off the Japanese armada led by Yamato herself.
They have survived into the post Endor period in a ship with minimal armament, a god awful stock top speed, and a slow hyperdrive. Thats a recipe for the mix of competent and crazy thats pretty damn rare amongst Imperials in “cannon”.
I kind of like the idea that the imperials are basically switching roles the rebels, the imperials are now the insurgents and the rebels are now the government. It would be a pretty interesting see the imperials adopting the rebels mentality and and way of doing things when it comes to fighting the new Republic. Pretty subversive in a way despite the imperials being the villains of the story. I'm hoping Disney sticks to that, but I don't have much confidence in them.
@@cane6074when a youtube comment actually subverts expectations better than ep. 7
@@therealslimshady3662 Very true and very sad, hope they portray them something along the lines of isis in Iraq, the Taliban of Afghanistan, what are the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia.
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Idk, the empire is a former religious dictatorship breaking apart while the new republic is a democracy reestablishing itself after a (on the grand scale) short period of extremism.
Essentially you have a very well equipped military that got broken up into smaller forces that may or may not ally with each other, while a large galactic government slowly gets up to speed on (re)building a military and things.
Remaining Star Destroyers and bases would be hidden to protect them while the new republic would have to deal with raids by Gozanti's and other smaller craft.
Contacts between former imperial splinters would be much more like medieval feudal lords fighting each other.
@@therealslimshady3662 the Star destroyers would really work as strategic strike weapons, entering an undefended or under defended systems, and using its heavy turbo lasers and Starfighter contingent to unleash devastation on key infrastructure and then disappear into darkness before the new Republican rally of military response. Thrawn used that tactic in terrifyingly effective way.
Right? I was like "bro you command a literal cargo truck, CHILL."
nah hes on it bro
u need that moxie to operate heavy machinery aptly
He worked for Penske before and their whole pay scale is based on confirmed kills.
But it's a more heavily armed cargo truck !
@@bigcazza5260 I have never once needed to commit suicide via electrocution to successfully operate a tractor or any other large machinery sir
no shit, now hit the bosses house costing him half a million minimum. thats what the captain of that freighter is looking at@@colekimball4945
"Coruscant's not going to send a bunch of people to the Outer Rim to watch over your back."
_Laughs in Imperial Security Bureau_
Oh they do. A lot.
It's just it's more the 'shoot you in it at the first opportunity with alarming regularity' kind.
Or worse, Darth Vader hijacking your ship because he's trying to reconnect with his estranged son again.
@@necktiefox2917, that can be very irritating. Very irritating, indeed.
It's funny that they would cast Titus Welliver, one of the best screen actors working, for a 3 minute role where he dies.
With a name like Titus he was born for the role of an admiral or general at least
Titus Welliver has a lot of credits to his name, mostly bit parts, but always memorable, in my opinion. I'm tempted to take a look at the 'Bosch' series, in which he plays the title role.
@@findiwindles You should wtch it. It was well worth the time.
You forgot the part where it was a totally shitty show too.
@@GenerationTechshould cast Clancy Brown as an imperial Admiral others like Liam Neison and Tommy Lee Jones would also make great imperial Senior officers
the bad batch captain struck me as arrogant
the mando captain struck me as the dude who will grill u out for not doing up a strap properly so he can get his reliable near stall climb
Gozanti class is one of my favorite ships for Star Wars ttrpg, perfect traveling base for a party of 4-6 players
It is one of the ONLY reasonable party ships outside the Corellian YT family or perhaps an Explorer. - Saga Edition SW DM here
Absolutely. Convinced my party to grab one for our current campaign, haven't looked back.
For lower levels, it's the Wayfarer-class with a hangar attachment if you have a hotshot pilot or two in your party, or the cargo attachment if you don't.
Remember using a suicide pill to avoid capture is not necessarily an act of fanaticism, in the case of imperial personnel they have probably been told their entire lives that rebels are insane terrorists and that a quick death for the Empire is preferable to what the rebels will do to them if they're taken alive (and If it's Saw Gerrera's band we're talking about, they're probably not even wrong)!
The fact that torturing captives is totally what the imperials would do if the roles were reversed just makes it easier to convince them that is what will happen.
In the case of that Imperial captain on the prison ship especially. A bunch of unstable, mutinous clone troopers (well known as some of the most hardcore fighting men in the galaxy), are threatening to essentially torture the info they want out of him. Choosing death by shock capsule may have been as much due to fear of what the clones were going to do as it was dedication to the Empire.
Japan did a similar thing in WW2. They showed what they did to POWs and told their soldiers that the Americans were worse, as a result very few Japanese soldiers surrendered.
I'd argue that the Gozanti is one of the imperial navy's more practical ships; it fills an adaptable role that can see it operating without waste in many theatres. It can operate as a freighter, an e-war vessel, fire support and often serves to carry a wing of fighters for peacekeeping and airspace enforcement. An incredibly useful support package coming in at a fraction of the price of the star destroyers the empire often fielded to wastefully fill such benign roles.
Much like its cousin the Technical it is practically better in nearly all respects other than crew survivability than more expensive weapons platforms, because if you get hit your ride is toast anyway these days.
Yeah it’s more a corvette, Ala the Flower class corvette from WW2. Very adaptable and capable but not a major warship.
in starwars i'm inclined to think the term "cruiser" is a term that applies to any ship with specific characteristics. Basically, a Cruiser is any warship with a hyperdrive that is equipped primarily with full power cannons and full power shields, as opposed to Frigates with are purpose-built escort ships with primarily anti-fighter weapons or Corvettes ships built to civilian standards and equipped with minimal shields.
Star Destroyer is a term that reflects Cruisers built in a dagger shape with weapons orientated to give the ship max end on firepower (that is forward facing)
Star Destroyers are intended to be aggressive offensively orientated ships with extremely high firepower for their weight particularly for engaging targets in the forward cone of fire.
Its worth pointing out that if you have REALLY good end on Fire multiple Star destroyers can fire on a single ship with virtually every gun on board.
Types of Ships in Starwars therfore fall into these catagories:
Star Cruisers:
Battle Cruisers (Includes Imperial Class STD)
Heavy Cruisers (Includes Victory STD and Venator STD)
Light Cruisers (basic low-capacity patrol ships like Carrack class and Gozanti) still equipped with military grade shields and anti-ship rated Blasters
Frigates (Equipped for pirate or anti-fighter defense)
Corvettes Civilian built, equipped with light shields, and low rated weapons.
Gunships, equipped only with rapid fire anti-star fighter blasters and sometimes torpedoes.
Fighters:
Snub Fighters: Ships equipped with Hyper Drive, X-wing, Y-Wing, ARC-170, TIE Advanced
Defensive Fighters: Ships like TIEs, typically cheaper and lacking shields. Delta 7, Z-95 Head Hunter, V-Wing, Tie Interceptor.
To an extent, this adaptability is seen in the table top gamr armada. Gozantis with the right upgrades and officers can field 4 tie squadrens, making them a useful mini carrier. They can also equip various support upgrades, which can help bombers more reliably land their shots and deal damage against critical areas, disrupt the enemies ability to command their ships with slicing tools, or even resupply friendly ships with ammo- not to mention a repair bonus to any friendly ships its nearby- all depending on how you want to kit it up.
To an extent, this adaptability is seen in the table top gamr armada. Gozantis with the right upgrades and officers can field 4 tie squadrens, making them a useful mini carrier. They can also equip various support upgrades, which can help bombers more reliably land their shots and deal damage against critical areas, disrupt the enemies ability to command their ships with slicing tools, or even resupply friendly ships with ammo- not to mention a repair bonus to any friendly ships its nearby- all depending on how you want to kit it up.
Another thing to consider is that these also weren't standard Gozanti cruiser captains. Both of the captains you used as examples were dealing with either sensitive data or critcal equipment and were trusted to be the kind of captains to Kamikaze if it came down to it. And the captain from Mando was also an extremist, as most Imperials in that sector at that time were, maybe not to the degree of those who would form the First Order but still. Almost wouldn't doubt his crew would have followed the order to crash to the letter.
I think your right
Most imperials remaining in mando would have been extremists.
Thank you! Litteraly all I am thinking as I am watching
Note: The second hand truck bought from a plumber that became famous was an F-250 used in Syria. It's still a great line as delivered.
If I recall some plumber did get in trouble when his pickup truck with his business phone number started showing up in ISIS propaganda videos 😂
@@GenerationTech _Oooof!_ That's gonna be hard to explain on court.
@@GenerationTechHe got yelled at over the phone and online, but no legal trouble ensued. He'd traded in his truck to a legitimate dealer and had not control over where it went afterwards. He was quite embarrassed, though.
@@GenerationTechI hope he sued the dealer. Thats gotta be terrible for business
Aren't Toyota Hilux's the typical truck to use as a technical?
I’m more surprised that a Gozanti can carry two AT-ATs
The snack size versions maybe....
@@BracesForImpactthe rebels one are actually bigger then the classic one
Nonsensical bullcrap just like the Resurgent, and the Venator being able to hold 420 starfighters
@@angelic_disappointment7889 Theoretical max carrying capacities don't tell you much, just the amount of aircraft it could theoretical store if you cram it into every space it fits.
@@angelic_disappointment7889screw the resurrgent
no im not a gozanti salesman just a passionate heavy machine operator who can relate to being captain of a sketchy "ship"
big ego, big skill and lack of recognition
truck drivers + gozanti class captains
Nah, this analysis from Gen Tech is terrible. both of those captains were not normal imperials
it wasnt terrible just his life experience didnt line up to other peoples. he always articulates himself well
the mando captain was just an average trucky as far as im concerned. think bro steering with his foot and smoking a crackpipe truckies lol@@tk-6967
@@tk-6967die hard Imperials indeed
It's hard to be glad when you command a ship that low no Captain wants to command that transport Star destroyers, light cruisers, quiazars fire class cruisers raider class, victory class, oninager class, cantwell class, secutor class, Interdictor all of these capital ships are above that commission
And yes all those ships are Canon
Police Chief gets a call that one of his best detectives just tried to crash a spaceship into the ocean.
Fucking Bosch.
Oh shit, it is Bosch!! My dumb brain didn't realize that for some reason. How cool.
But, but... My Toyota Tacoma blockade runner positively SLAPS in Libya fire support missions!
Honestly, seeing that officer shoot his two pilots then try to commit suicide by crashing then actually doing it kinda shocked me for how brutal it was for a star wars show.
One thing to take note of the Gozanti captains that committed suicide was the circumstances of their mission. In The Bad Batch, those clones were going to Tantiss, a location that the Empire needed kept secret, so the officers sent there had to be willing to take their own life to defend it. And in Mandalorian, Moff Gideon's location needed to be kept a secret to prevent the Imperial Remnant from losing a vital asset. So there's likely a psychological aspect to the extremism those captains have
The captain of a gozanti would have known all the men under him intimately, the ship being so small and having such a small complement. And would have been used to deal with enemy combatants that often had equal if not better ships than them while far away from imperial support.
These people were probably the most competent officers in the empire by sheer natural selection, used to improvise and stay on long patrols on detached duty. Probably the only captains that had to not be too insufferable as a mutiny, unlike with an ISD, was a possible threat on their ships.
It takes someone with balls of steel and the brains to back them up to thrive in such an enviroment.
driving an 80 ton air seeder bar + articulated tractor requires a LOT of moxie
u got barely enough thrust to lift at load and you are a military target in that gozanti class
i see a lot of non truck driver perspectives here
fair enought, but
u have to actually command a multi combination truck with 60 metric tons loaded. the clutch pops up every combustion stroke, the gear selector will fling out of your hands if you dont know how to "muscle" a road ranger into gear with revs. it takes a certain amount of a lack of mechanical sympathy to drive heavy stuff. idling the truck i drive is actually bad for it because low oil pressure. revving it up instead of idling increases longevity as it has 0 load out of gear. you need to be heavy handed with heavy machinery, while also being smooth. it takes great restraint but also great self confidence to say. im going to turn this 60 ton 2 trailer rig here and it WILL make it
bro was perfect for the job and it would be an honor to rip that gozanti freighter downwards at full tilt on his word
This analysis doesn't make any sense.
The reason that officer from Mando Season 2 was batshit crazy is because he was part of Gideon's remnant, they are all crazy, Season 3 mentions how infamous and extreme Gideon was. Him being the captain of a Gozanti does not suggest anything about other Gozanti captains either. Given that he had one of the tooth things, he was probably ex-ISB or something, as Mando S2 suggests that most remaining officers were not really military, but more COMPNOR/science division officers, who were crazy af.
The same goes for the Gozanti captain in TBB S2, he was not just any Gozanti captain, he was working for Hemlock and was clearly involved in the Advanced Science Division's work, not just some random officer. Therefore it once again makes sense why he had a suicide tooth thing, since he had very important information.
Yes, you are correct, but the point the video made is that captaining a Gozanti was a great opportunity for Imperials seeking to rise the ranks in the Navy. So you’d see a large number of ambitious and fanatical people occupying those positions, eager to prove their loyalty to the Empire.
The two Gozanti captains who took the quick way out happened to be involved in highly secretive operations, hence why they even had the zap pill things at all. Were it any other Gozanti, the captain might’ve been headstrong and fought against boarders, hoping to either die in the Empire’s service, or better yet to fend off the attackers and receive accolades, praise and reputation for his deeds.
The Gozanti cruiser is a patrol vessel, they fought pirates, not blew up planets or carried slaves. If anyone were to believe in the Empire it would be them.
Like a US navy officer fighting pirates believes in what they're doing, but a US soldier in vietnam may have second thoughts.
This^
Gozantis are the best! they're my favorite ship! my OC operates his bounty hunter crew out of one!
OC? Hey I wanna see it!
You are one of the many devoted and knowledgeable fans that I genuinely wish were consulted and respected by anyone writing for Lucasfilm
The actor who plays the Captain from The Mandalorian is Titus Welliver and I'm not surprised that he gave a heck of a performance.
that poor plumbers toyota was such a good reference that im pretty sure most people here missed 😂😂😂
Poor guys business took a hit for that. Show him some love if you can.
An easily overlooked detail.
Officially the Empire was efficient. So if a number of outposts needed a certain amount of supplies, they got exactly that. Which means transports, like the role the Gozanti sometimes served, often had free cargo space. Even if it's just one metric ton, some officers or even Stormtroopers would gladly pay for better rations and other luxury items. If they are not important enough for Holonet access, even entertainment would be welcome.
Not to mention equipment and supplies not endorsed by the Empire, but would make their lives easier.
Essentially the Captain of a Gozanti could make a lot of cash on the side during his career, even if he had to grease his crew and a few others at some spaceports.
3:44 hypespace into a star
10:48 The dust must be so bad on that planet that you need to wear goggles over your sealed helmet visor...
I roleplayed a Gozanti captain in a two-shot, set during Second Civil War. I confirm, you have to be out there to survive. Among other things, I had to smuggle one of player characters in Bacta tank, disguised as part of supplies, took bronze medal in Adumari starfighter competition and ran ship dark to hide us from the Yuuzhan Vong warship, until it passed us by.
The Yuuzhan Vong incident must’ve been terrifying
@@GenerationTechDisneys greatest failure....not following the established continuity....having kylo ren makes no jaina, jacen, or Anakin....which means no Vong unless they redo it all....which would suck. Recast the main cast as younger versions like Solo did and pick up where ROTJ ended. Follow the books. Thrawn needs justice....😮
5:38 : "For Honor. For Duty. For the Empire !" Some people are willing to die for what they believe in.
*all of 40k liked that*
In the Star Wars universe the ship term "Cruiser" is double used, one is the warship class. The other is a civilian term for a kind of ship that carries both cargo and passengers. But not enough of ether to really be a cargo freighter or a passenger liner. They have most or all of the amenities like med bay, galley, refresher, staterooms. No where as nice as a real Yacht.
A list in no particular order, Corellian Engineering Corporation Consular-Class Cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Guardian-class light cruiser, Republic Shipyards Jedi Justice Cruiser, Koensayr Manufacturing ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser, Kuat Drive Yards KDY security cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Guardian 344-class light cruiser 'not the same as the last one', Tipoca City engineering Type-22 Neptune Light Cruiser, Padawan Academic Cruiser, The Jedi Cruiser from the Old Republic era, Nihil Spider Cruiser, Sienar Fleet Systems Warden-class light cruiser and we could go on.
And all ship classes are insanely broad compared to real life... Let's not forget both the ventor and IMP I are crusers too just more closely related to a theorical helicopter cruser and battle cruser.
The British at the beginning of ww2 took cargo ships mounted obsolete ww1 guns on it . One the Jarvis Bay fought a German battleship and lost. It sacrificed itself to give the convoy time to escape.
they have to be crazy
they are esentially driving a land cruiser with 3 trailers being hunted by baja buggies
my wagon requires a heavy hand a heavier ball bag to make it go around corners properly at 140kmh (75ish in freedom units?)
I would say that the Gozanti-class cruiser is more like the Imperial version of a DC-3. A versatile (but far too-often underestimated) workhorse of aviation that's still in operation nearly a century later...all around the world!
I personally really like the C-ROC upgrade the Gozanti got. It not only made them cooler looking, it helped rectify some of it's issues.
Depends on your definition of the term cruiser because the germans called their commerce raiders in ww1 cruisers and they were basically mostly converted cargo ships or passenger liners.
This is by far the best and most insightful SW video I have seen, like, ever. People be bitching over lightesaber colours and you're out there explaining the very economic and social basis of the Empire itself! 5/5 stars my dude
Oh, and btw, all the stuff you are saying is VERY similar to the issues we're seeing in the Russian military right now
Not to mention they proabbly had a bunch of isb agents on board monitoring the crew for disloyalty.
The Gozanti actually reminds me of the M1008 used by the Army National Guard. Which is basically just a Chevy pickup truck painted in Olive drab and says US army on it
Dont forget Mando and Bo have the bad Filoni terrible writting to save them. They are essentially immortal.
The shock capsule in the captain's tooth is the same that the X clones in Bad Batch have.
The population of Curascant wasn't all rich, middle class or happy either. The bottom kilometer or two of the planet city was barely mapped, barely controlled by anyone and tax men were not the most heavily armed extortionists not even counting the horrific wildlife even before the Vong invaded. The Empire could've easily formed every stormtrooper battalion out of people fleeing the lower levels of the capital world alone.
There's a naval idea that, from fighters to whole ships, that the older or the more antiquated a thing is, the nuttier its pilots or commanders have to be.
11:22 what show is this a clip from? I love the stormtrooper armor
Thumbnail had me thinking Wonder Woman for a moment. I haven't seen any of this, though. To be honest, I haven't watched modern Star Wars since The Last Jedi and the forcing of watching 9 against my requests.
I have watched the rest of The Clone Wars and Kenobi's first half for Hayden.
In fairness, those ships were great for certain uses and were super versatile. As you said, perfect for low intensity patrols in the outer rim.
Yeah, that sense of power when you are a big fish in a little pond probably has something to do with this pattern of behavior lol.
But you have to appreciate the unsung workhorses for what they do. They aren’t glamorous, fast, or particularly powerful, but they’ll get the job done and bring you home. Usually.
It could be that the captain from mandalorian was one of those who dealt with these super secret black ops type missions like transporting clones to secret bases and had fallen under Gideon as he gathered resources for his own cloning projects.
Theres probably a massive difference in imperial remnants where you get a garrison of soldiers who were posted in some remote region basically on guard duty and on the other hand you have officers whose projects are so secretive that they have major assets that are safe from the new republic, and now those two groups have to work together as the core military has been dismantled.
This is almost certainly true considering his pilots. One was a Navy pilot and the guy in black was most likely an Imperial Intelligence Officer. Which is the part that puzzles me, as it would've been he who would've pulled the trigger on the other pilot and then helped the Captain crash the ship.
I was up with him all the way till his finale of closing it, and saying all humans are inherently bad, which is not true
"Cushiest job"... maybe but a much, MUCH higher chance of encountering and disappointing Vader :D
1:50
Mark-1
Plumbing 😅
Solid reference
Great video. I love the length og Generation Tech's videos. He really gets in to the subject at hand. Great channel. Maybe the best...
Hes definitely the best star war channel I've seen. He goes way deeper than anyone else and relates it to our world to put it in perspective.
Love Gen tech! watch every episode- I appreciate ya & your knowledge! Hail the Empire !!!! love ya buddy!
“All humans when given the chance to steal, exploit and take more than their fair share will find a way to justify it to themselves”. Not all humans will engage in theft, exploitation or taking more than their fair share. Many people earn what they receive and may achieve more and receive more for it. You may have many chances to steal or exploit and instead simply control yourself. Still a great and appreciated video!!
Star Wars universe inverts the real-world cruiser/destroyer classes. Other than that, you’re correct, Gozanti’s are insane.
No?
"Star Destroyers" are not cruisers by any stretch other then the role of "cruising" that they might do,they're BattleCarriers.
Whilst the role that destroyers would do are taken up by all the corvettes and frigates.
But Star Wars has done in abundance was to throw away sizes as a measure of a ships' class.
The Guardian-class light cruiser is a mere 42 m long,whilst the suspiciously Nebelon B frigate looking "Mercy" medical frigate was...2000 m long.
Because our own Naval history was screwed up enough.
@@NareshSinghOctagon the Term "Star Destroyer" has nothing to do with "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" of the 20th Century, any more than the "Star Cruisers" have anything to do with the terrestrial cruisers of the 20th Century. We can assume that the term evolved from other points- like Star Cruiser evolved from a term for a warship that has a hyperdrive.
@@MrChickennugget360 ,true.
With star cruiser in all lowercase being the generalist name in some scripts.
allen forgetting how the anaxes war college system works makes my brain shrink
..” The thought was unthinkable “.. lol, awesome video, I’m just being ornery. Thank you for you content bud 👍
I always enjoy your content. Keep them coming, mate.
You have given good reasons for the behavior of these ship commanders.
In the legends, for example in the X-Wing novel "Bacta Pirates", it was described that the partners and families of imperial traitors, deserters and defectors could and were executed as punishment.
So these partners and families were hostages who ensured that the ship crews remained "loyal".
This practice was described as a standard procedure, or at least gave the impression that it was.
Even after the fall of Coruscant to the Rebel Alliance, when the Empire had lost access to virtually unlimited resources and supplies and had to budget its troops, this was practiced.
So the suicide of the captains was perhaps less fanaticism than protection of families and partners.
The Nazis called this "Sippenhaft".
From 1933 onward, the Nazis employed “Sippenhaft” (family liability punishment) sporadically as a repressive measure against relatives of opponents of the regime.
It served to stoke fear in the populace.
Want to add to what you said, there are different categories of ships. But to keep it very basic, there is Light, medium/standard jack of all trades, and your heavy cruisers were closer to a Battleship, but then this would have subcategories.
To put it simply Medium Cruisers were heavily armed, but were not as fast as a light cruiser but not as slow as a Battleship. There also comparable to a jack of all trades since it is often utilized for conversion to be a heavier armed, lightly armed serving more as an escort vessel with the appropriate amount of anti-starfighter fire.
The Gozanti however is a Heavy Cruiser Carrier. It has weaponry that is comparable to a battleship or early dreadnoughts. But the capability of a light carrier.
One thing that never made sense to me was how a military structure could simultaneously be so filled to the brim with corruption yet so able to inspire such loyalty in certain places. On the one hand, that garrison commander from what I assume was the Bad Batch that showed up in this video who was so willing to undercut the rules for his own benefit with no oversight, and on the other a bunch of Gozanti Cruiser Captains and Stormtroopers who were willing to die even beyond the collapse of their own institutions.
The Imperial Military was also Massive, it was entirely possible to have a decades long career as an officer and never really see much, if any, corruption. There was also the fact that what the corruption entailed was different from place to place. In some places, the "corruption" was that an officer was providing means above and beyond for their crews and/or soldiers. Just like it could also be an officer that was obviously lining their own pockets, it varied.
*Video Idea*
Ship breakdown on each class of ship in starwars. A new one to my attention is the Targe Class Guard Cruiser. And how they hold up against older and newer variants.
8:02 Hey kid dont you want to shoot a blaster and not question anything you see 😄😄
I personally likes the gozanti....i mean even as a warship it does a great job. If i get a gozanti cruiser i would modify a bit, i mean i would use it as a droid starfigther carrier with a super tactical droid.....for myself a comfortable quarter. And then i have a flexible ship, transporting and escorting etc
“I am the captain of a Gazanti cruiser!”
“No you are the captain of an armored tug. Sit down!”
Fascinating analysis!
To put into perspective the number of people employed by the imperial military, it took over 1.169 BILLION people just to man the 25,000 Star Destroyers.
Titus Welliver is very experienced actor with many television credits. Aside from Bosch, his own show, he seem to have appeared in any crime drama I've seen for the past couple of decades. Whether he's playing a cop, or a mob boss, a politician. He is everywhere.
I was thinking about a story of the Imperial Navy taking over the operations of a mining venture, the main characters being the crew of a Gozanti-class cruiser and pilots of 4 TIE/mg. After watching this video, I'm thinking that the navy would assign a young officer to take command of the Gozanti, for the character tension of having to deal with a new CO. He should be a young fanatic, who wholly believes in the romanticized vision of the Galactic Empire, but I'd have to strip him of those views ... or force the crew the kill him, even though they like him, when the time comes to overthrow the Empire.
Great video but at 16:55, pretty accurate, though Rome was not yet an empire, it was still the Free Roman Republic, Caesar would not live to see it become an Empire either.
6:28 oh I believe it, I am sure their families are at least compensated in the end
Credit where it's due. Titus Welliver will deliver the "I will go down with my ship if I must", without notes.
gozanti class cruiser is the toyota hiace of the ship world, very practical and dependable. but its dog slow and has lots of exposed flat panels to be dented
Then there’s that one guy who commanded a tanker. Empire really needs anger management facilities.
This may be your best analysis.
I thought the Gozanti was more a Space Cargo Plane, a Space AC130 at best. 🤔
Also if they’re expected to fight paramilitary factions with little support, then death is preferable to being captured and tortured for info. I’d assume that if you were found to prefer death before dishonor your family will probably get better treatment and pensions as well
My goto star wars lore channel, great work team!
Just came back to you from like 2020....why did you go from a new YTber to like this grizzled look lol
Love the vids :)
New video! Seems interesting.
I had an Imperial captain, CPT Zeik Brennig, defect to the mercenary crew of players in my TTRPG, mostly because he was appalled and sick of the crazy that his fellow captains evidenced.
Separated from his three Gozanti ship pirate hunting group and his ship left behind with a damaged hyperdeive, he sabotaged his own ship and had it fired upon to detonate it and his men just to vover his eacape.
Now he's the Imperial captain who can lead the party to infiltrate the ISD Tyrant where he previously served as one stage of the final mission of our campaign.
Weirdly only now finding this video and honestly:
Anyone still with the Imperial remnants at this time WERE the fanatics or those with belief they couldn't get out safely anyway. Frankly no in-between. Anyone bomb enough to jump ship for one reason or another has long since done so (like Migs)
It makes sense that the Empire itself would keep a tight reign on Star Destroyer captains because they are expensive and hard to replace. Gozantis on the other hand. Go wild Captain!
Sorry folks! Long story short, UA-cam put my comment on the wrong vid. May the Force be with you. Long live the Generation Tech Empire!
Reminds me of my school days in the advanced politics course, constant debates, logic and science against there emotions and facts. And then manipulating there emotion and twisting there arms metaphorical a bit so they started to make contradictions.
@@deathtrooper7760 so... funny thing here... that comment wasn't meant for this video! Gotta love UA-cam's systems. Was watching something completely different and this video was qued in my watch later and started while I was still writing. Sorry to all! Please ignore this one. I'll delete it soon. Long live Generation Tech!
That said good insight mate. And thanks for taking it in stride.
Hello your videos are good to watch and 1st one here
It doesn’t have to do with the ship. The ship is nothing special. It has to do with the mission there on. Also the outer rim wasn’t as sparsely populated as people say. Most worlds in the outer rim had millions or tens of millions of inhabitants at least. And it wasn’t that all uncommon to see populations in the billions. Some even had greater populations then core worlds. Take a look at Eriadu Or lthe pantora moon or narshada. The problem was then the outerim was very large and un tamed. Not un populated. Gozzonti class cruisers were not a special ship. And we’re usually assigned to no body’s. Seeing as there were the most commen ship in the empire.
hard to believe that they have captains in charge or these things.
should be a Lt. or so instead of a captain. its like putting captains in charge of speedboats
Lt is still Captain on the ship. It's a title and a rank.
I love these guys. They got moxie. Ya gotta respect it.
So from what I understand, larger ships can have self-destruction systems activated by combining the codes of the 3 top officers on board. Gozanti captains don't have this luxury but... They still have full dental! XD
Why didn't empire have controlled opposition and huney pots or even feds in the rebellion
Concerning your point about how the Empire got rid of bureaucrats and hence any meaningful "checks and balances" within the system: he would have undoubtedly initiated a purge but he didn't get rid of the bureaucracy itself (e.g. the Senate - at least until the Death Star was fully constructed).
Also, in practice, the role of "oversight" was effectively assumed by the Imperial Security Bureau who would have monitored and kept files on all Imperial officers and politicians (not to mention most of the Galactic population), particularly those stationed on remote planets. After all, the officer featured in the Bad Batch who was running a protection racket was essentially embezzling Imperial funds.
I have to wonder if the Gozontis' may have been used as refueling stations later on in the GCW. That would make a bit more sense.
You reminded me of it when you mentioned the Toyota with insurgents picture. In the early 2000's, a plumbing company sold a second hand toyota pickup truck, months later, it was shown in the hands of the early Taliban sighting US soldiers, with the plumbing companies decal's still on it
Those shock teeth seem kinda funny to me. What if someone used one of those ion grenades used for droids. Would it set off the tooth?
ion grenades can easily kill people so its pretty much irrelevant
@@sneediumminer If the person is in a vehicle and the iron grenade causes it to crash sure. And EMP blast isn't going to harm a human.
The gozanti is a versatile ship, it could do escorts as well as patrols, conduct reconnaissance as well as serve both as a troop transport add cargo ship and even as a heavy lifter craft and escort carrier. What I think it's even more badass as a drop ship that can deploy troops all the while providing heavy fire support to ground forces it deployed. The vessel is very good for expeditionary style operations, The ship would have been far more formidable if the imperials put far more emphasis on adaptability and flexibility then firepower in overwhelming Force as well as more importantly put more trust in their subordinates as well as encourage personal initiative then contending with micromanaging them, and valuing political reliability at the expense of competence. I think what happened is that the officers assigned to command Star destroyers off intended to get them do to there social connections and political reliability, not do to competence, resulting in the more competent officers being passed over for such postings and assigned to these types of vessels more often than not. The result is that these kind of arrangements help the Empire collapsed due to their Capital ships often not being commanded by the best, but also the more competent and cunning as well as the more ruthless and fanatical survived it's collapse as a result and had the right type of ships and expertise, and experiences that would leave them very well position them to menace the new Republic asymmetrically.
So... They're basically the Star Wars scifi equivalent to a WW1/WW2 destroyer compared to the battleship/aircraft carrier equivalent in the Imperial Star Destroyer.
That said, considering that IRL destroyer captains and their crews tended to be a bit insane, this makes sense. I mean, just look at the Battle off Samar. A handful of destroyers held off what was essentially the entire Japanese Navy and were fighting ships whose turrets weighed more that their entire ship. The Japanese thought that the destroyers they were fighting were cruisers because they couldnt comprehend such small ships putting up such a fight.
I love the bits of Roman history.
17:24 I think the Gozanti-class cruiser has a lot more potential as a ship than the Empire gave it. It’s one of my favorite ships in the class.
Hey, it’s Bosch! (And or the DA in The Good Wife)