Just beat hades for the first time, felt incredible, your videos helped me get there, try to do more of these explaining vids, super helpful for noobs.
@@thesocker7920 The boss, there is no beating the game :}, just infinite runs of increasing difficulty with different levels of heat, fun looking back on this comment after years of enjoyment. This truly is one of the greatest games ever made.
@@thesocker7920 yes in a technical sense you can beat it, I have personally beaten hades around 110 times, but there is always more to try with new heats and speedruns. That's all I was getting at.
I know that I'm SUPER late to comment on this but after watching this I just got my first sub 10 run and it's all thanks to you Dan. Thank you so much!
I've seen plenty of your other videos, mostly meme runs, but just in general, and got to this video. Only watched a little bit, basically the prep part..... did a Demeter Fists speed run, and demolished my own record (which was around 14ish mins) and got just under 12 mins. Thank you!
So why didn't you buy the Night Spindle? Wouldn't an extra Meg to drop 2500 damage on something help the run? Or would figuring out when to use it consume too much time and mental effort?
I still think Gilgamesh is a bit underrated but there's a high learning curve with animation cancelling. You can actually do a dash-strike and dash upper off one dash and if you stack movespeed you get crazy mobility during the special. The trick is to not spam dash-strike all the time and use more specials for dealing with mobs. Special speed from Hermes works on Dash-Upper for some reason and makes the weapon feel a lot more dynamic. You can even use Dash-Upper with a special curse from Chaos and not take any damage.
First time trying a speedrun, I had the best luck ever but mess up and pick talos over demeter by accident. Got a 10:05.26 not bad I guess but if a more skill player got the luck I had probably would have done a WR lol (got sea storm, Splitting Bolt, epic greatest reflex without even trying and had a fountain room in every biome and got a 2 sack on styx)
Question about the boon pool: if you sell a boon, like you did in 30:52, does the said god/goddess still stay as one of the four boon pool (Athena)? Edit: Saw the trail room with Poseidon/Athena later. I guess that means it doesn't(?!)
At 32:20 you put on Artemis keepsake, and earlier you mentioned that you can only have 4 gods in the "god pool" except if you run a keepsake (like you did). I'm wondering, does the keepsake only force the good to spawn 1 time, or is it now added to the god pool, so you have 5 potential gods in the pool? Cus watching the video, Artemis didn't show up later, so just curious.
You can only have 4 main gods and Hermes at every run. If you have gotten Artemis, Zeus, Aphrodite, you only have one more spot for every other god. At that point having a keepsake can help sway which gods will appear but it wont be 100%. But at the start of the run, it has the highest chance to be the you want.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong But that totally contradicts what he says and shows in this video though? As said, at the timestamp he says he has 4 gods already BUT a keepsake can circumvent that problem, so give you 5 or more gods in the god pool. And I was just wondering if that extra god actually goes into the pool in which you can meet later OR if it's just a 1 time thinig cus of the 4 god rule and the game somehow thinking 5th or 6th god shouldnt be there.
@@Haelian Cool, that's all I needed to know, thanks a lot! I couldn't find any other definitive answer to this, so had to ask. But yeah, thanks again, much appreciated! This video was super helpful. And, as you have prolly been asked already, a similar one for the other weapons/aspects would also be super nice.
A general question: is there a weapons attack rotation guide somewhere? He is generally doing so much more damage than me and it was shocking when i learned that you should hold the attack button amd cancel the third attack with dash in order to maximise your dps. Is there similar stuff with the oher weapons as well? I heard someone saying there is an animation cancel for the sword using the special.... Do you guys have a guidelink for that or can quickly deacribe he rotations for the weapon? Thanks in advance!
idk i think the normal fury sister fight is a lot faster than the extreme measures version personally.. It would depend on what weapon/aspect/boons ur using like.. if u can kill all the extra heads super fast it might be worth it.. but otherwise i'd consider removing extreme measures entirely for the faster fury sister fight. Like, you have to avoid a lot less attacks, and like you said they have a lot less health.
billowing is good because it increases all damage right. your attack, special, cast, the lightning dmg on ur attack, the white dmg on ur attack, the jolted dmg, the call dmg, literally everything, right? that's why it doesn't go up by much? :P
IMO kinetic launcher is v good (at least for intermediate-level runners like me) because it massively cuts down on the number of times you just miss enemies because of their boosted speed, the cutter often hits running enemies or even enemies you weren’t intending to hit and it minimises the amount of time you either waste the cutter or hold out on using the cutter because you want to be safe about using it
Yeah I think it's the best special for fists.. It has the highest base damage for Dash-Upper and is the most reliable by far. All of other specials tend to whiff a lot of hits even against big enemies.
I feel like Chaos damage on attack especially an epic one is highly underrated. I mean even with zeus attack that is like getting a additional athena or aphrodite boon on attack aswell. On the entire run i really suspect it would be atleast a 10-20% damage increase.
chaos gates you do ignore if you are at the final chamber of a biome (if the final shop is available) otherwise, only if you have the option between the chaos gate and another free room someone feel free to correct me if I'm way off base here
Can someone help on the final unlocks? I've 32 heated every weapon, finished all the storylines (nobody has new dialogue), max collectibles, completed codex, wealth of extra resources etc. I'm missing 1 song, >/= 1 pieces of furniture, and >/= 1 major unlocks. I have no idea what else to do to trigger whatever I need to trigger so I can buy them.
Easy. Don't hit the enemy. If you shoot a wall, it will immediately drop on the ground. Also, and more helpful, most of the casts drop to the ground with the shield aspect which allows you to charge your cast into your dash.
5 sec is pretty short. I have a longer time loading up the casts or just outright using them. Generally i stay away from casts unless the weapon that im using weapons that has benfits for the cast
@@sonicfraisheya4028 I'm taking Dionysus cast pretty much always. This thing has incredible burst and two dual boons that can make it even better (Zeus having the fog deal lightning damage, and Demeter having it deal more damage and cold). My last run, I had both the duals, and Hades melted.
Not trying to call ya out or anything but the info here is still relevant since the game hasn't had a meaningful patch since right after launch, Oct 2020. The only thing that may have changed are the metas. You can do it, it just takes time.
The most annoying thing about going for time isn't even the boon RNG, it's bosses randomly getting stuck in invincibility for an extra 10-15 seconds.. That happens way too often in this game.. Hades will just keep attacking when there's no enemies and his next phase should have started, sometimes he just spams stealth non-stop, and Asterius or Lernie can just sit there in invincibility for ages.
The invincibility phases are fixed at certain health intervals, some times bosses might finish an attack while it started but I personally don't consider it a major issue.
shows that you're not going into a run where you know the first boon. if you "give up" on a run, you start back with the same RNG seed next time you go in. dying on stream shows that your first boon is in fact random, as is the rest of your seed
4% on 20% is still a 20% increase (20x1.2 = 24) re: common vs Epic billowing. Given that it's global dmg% seems ok, plus he has 60% faster charge on god gauge from boon so, minor synergy yay lol
I think you are looking at the wrong percentage: +20% dmg is ×1.2 dmg and +24% is ×1.24. Therefore, since 1.24 = 1.03 × 1.2, it's only a 3% increase, not a 20% increase.
Re: god pools, I have a theory that the 4 gods are actually predetermined from the start of the run. This is based on, let's just say, many very frustrating runs where I ignore countless Ares boons and never see any other gods offered.
TL;DR it really just comes down to the basic idea that different people find different things enjoyable. Just because you don't find the concept of speedrunning Hades particularly exciting or interesting doesn't mean other people won't. As an example, I myself don't find Ori and the Blind Forest speedruns to be particularly interesting,because the route ignores most of the games progression and does some cheesy stuff to beat the game in under 15 minutes. I don't find it particularly satisfying, and yet other people think that sort of style of play is very exciting and cool to watch! On the other hand, a game such as Super Mario Bros 3 has a similar speedrunning concept that causes a game-breaking glitch to manipulate the games code (not exactly how it works but its close enough) to instantly teleport you to the very end of the game in about 5 minutes. It's a very obscure set of actions you have to take in order to do it, and there are multiple pixel-perfect jumps that need to be done in the right order or else it wont work. Even though I don't find Ori interesting, I think the SMB3 speedrun is very cool even though both games' speedrunning routes ignore almost all of the games levels and progression. Hades speedruns are enjoyable for a lot of people in the same way that I enjoy Slay the Spire speedruns. Both games involve decent amounts of RNG to be in your favour in order for a speedrun to have a chance at competing with the world record, and if it doesn't work out then your chances are smaller than normal. However, both games also have little to no game-breaking glitches in their routes. To get a fast run you just... play the game quickly. No glitch to instantly beat the game out of nowhere. No exploit to skip most of the games progression. It really just depends on what you think is cool or enjoyable to watch.
@@Butmunch666 Yea, but how do you brag about something that you got through luck? Someone else could have played better but got a 4 sac instead of a 2 sac so they have a slower time.
![Hades Speedrun any% - 5:57 IGT , 13:08 RTA - Eris Rail [v1.37]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AMb05zKj_3w/mqdefault.jpg)
Not only is the content super helpful, the people in your chat ask really great questions!
Just beat hades for the first time, felt incredible, your videos helped me get there, try to do more of these explaining vids, super helpful for noobs.
The game or the boss..?
@@thesocker7920 The boss, there is no beating the game :}, just infinite runs of increasing difficulty with different levels of heat, fun looking back on this comment after years of enjoyment. This truly is one of the greatest games ever made.
@@brendenberanek2252 Well you can beat the story. It just takes killing Hades ten times.
@@thesocker7920 yes in a technical sense you can beat it, I have personally beaten hades around 110 times, but there is always more to try with new heats and speedruns. That's all I was getting at.
I know that I'm SUPER late to comment on this but after watching this I just got my first sub 10 run and it's all thanks to you Dan. Thank you so much!
I really loved the "Overexplain" format. I've seen ?6 of your videos. Now Subscribed!
Super helpful, Haelian! Thanks for explaining what's going on in the code re: certain rooms, enemies, etc.
I've seen plenty of your other videos, mostly meme runs, but just in general, and got to this video. Only watched a little bit, basically the prep part..... did a Demeter Fists speed run, and demolished my own record (which was around 14ish mins) and got just under 12 mins. Thank you!
So why didn't you buy the Night Spindle? Wouldn't an extra Meg to drop 2500 damage on something help the run? Or would figuring out when to use it consume too much time and mental effort?
wow glad I get recommended your videos now that I am subbed this one gave me so much info just for regular runs I didn't even know.
run starts at 9:10
I still think Gilgamesh is a bit underrated but there's a high learning curve with animation cancelling. You can actually do a dash-strike and dash upper off one dash and if you stack movespeed you get crazy mobility during the special.
The trick is to not spam dash-strike all the time and use more specials for dealing with mobs. Special speed from Hermes works on Dash-Upper for some reason and makes the weapon feel a lot more dynamic. You can even use Dash-Upper with a special curse from Chaos and not take any damage.
You can see how keeping athena's cast would have helped, he got offered poseidon and zeus cast nearly everytime
Also adds her duo the pool, right
@@Mad1Lee Yeah well having her duo to the pool is more beneficial than having a cast offered 10 times when you don't want one lol
@@LithningWolf yup and if you take the duo that's still only one "wasted" option instead of two.
First time trying a speedrun, I had the best luck ever but mess up and pick talos over demeter by accident. Got a 10:05.26 not bad I guess but if a more skill player got the luck I had probably would have done a WR lol (got sea storm, Splitting Bolt, epic greatest reflex without even trying and had a fountain room in every biome and got a 2 sack on styx)
Question about the boon pool: if you sell a boon, like you did in 30:52, does the said god/goddess still stay as one of the four boon pool (Athena)?
Edit: Saw the trail room with Poseidon/Athena later. I guess that means it doesn't(?!)
Ya once you pick up a god, they're stuck in your pool even if you sell
At 32:20 you put on Artemis keepsake, and earlier you mentioned that you can only have 4 gods in the "god pool" except if you run a keepsake (like you did). I'm wondering, does the keepsake only force the good to spawn 1 time, or is it now added to the god pool, so you have 5 potential gods in the pool? Cus watching the video, Artemis didn't show up later, so just curious.
You can only have 4 main gods and Hermes at every run. If you have gotten Artemis, Zeus, Aphrodite, you only have one more spot for every other god. At that point having a keepsake can help sway which gods will appear but it wont be 100%. But at the start of the run, it has the highest chance to be the you want.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
But that totally contradicts what he says and shows in this video though? As said, at the timestamp he says he has 4 gods already BUT a keepsake can circumvent that problem, so give you 5 or more gods in the god pool. And I was just wondering if that extra god actually goes into the pool in which you can meet later OR if it's just a 1 time thinig cus of the 4 god rule and the game somehow thinking 5th or 6th god shouldnt be there.
When you wind up with more than 4 gods, they still all have equal chance to show up I believe. Just unlucky we didnt get more artemis.
@@Haelian Cool, that's all I needed to know, thanks a lot! I couldn't find any other definitive answer to this, so had to ask. But yeah, thanks again, much appreciated! This video was super helpful. And, as you have prolly been asked already, a similar one for the other weapons/aspects would also be super nice.
Ruthless Reflex honestly took me about 100 runs to get somewhat used to it. Even now I don't think I can effectively use it ._.
I really enjoyed this, thanks for posting!
A general question: is there a weapons attack rotation guide somewhere? He is generally doing so much more damage than me and it was shocking when i learned that you should hold the attack button amd cancel the third attack with dash in order to maximise your dps. Is there similar stuff with the oher weapons as well? I heard someone saying there is an animation cancel for the sword using the special.... Do you guys have a guidelink for that or can quickly deacribe he rotations for the weapon?
Thanks in advance!
I think in haelians weapons guide he overviews how you want to attack with the weapons on the start?
I got a sub 12 run thanks to your vid :3
Edit: now my best is sub 10 with Demeter fists.
Shame this was recorded before SG killed dad's keepsake and made sea storm borderline worthless.
idk i think the normal fury sister fight is a lot faster than the extreme measures version personally.. It would depend on what weapon/aspect/boons ur using like.. if u can kill all the extra heads super fast it might be worth it.. but otherwise i'd consider removing extreme measures entirely for the faster fury sister fight. Like, you have to avoid a lot less attacks, and like you said they have a lot less health.
Tons of good info here. Would watch one for every weapon.
edit: (especially the bow.)
How has this guy only got 62k subs. Really top notch content.
I haven't played without tight deadline for so long I just forgot those time trials are even in the game lol
billowing is good because it increases all damage right. your attack, special, cast, the lightning dmg on ur attack, the white dmg on ur attack, the jolted dmg, the call dmg, literally everything, right? that's why it doesn't go up by much? :P
is rush kick on demeter still malfunctioning? had a run where i was doing a shitton of damage with it but hard to tell if scaling correctly.
I had just done a Talos Dionysus run, and I think you should do it to!
Build:
Dio attack
Aphro special
Artemis cast
Ares vengeance
Duos
Can you even get Billowing Strength with Hades' keepsake? It doesn't say so in the wiki.
Edit: OK, he did get it offered at 53:37
Wow! I learned sooo much! Amazing
IMO kinetic launcher is v good (at least for intermediate-level runners like me) because it massively cuts down on the number of times you just miss enemies because of their boosted speed, the cutter often hits running enemies or even enemies you weren’t intending to hit and it minimises the amount of time you either waste the cutter or hold out on using the cutter because you want to be safe about using it
Yeah I think it's the best special for fists.. It has the highest base damage for Dash-Upper and is the most reliable by far. All of other specials tend to whiff a lot of hits even against big enemies.
so the time next can be improve with kind of better luck?
With more choas room, eurydice... and more lucky room with not spread enemies?
Correct, you could always have more damage potentially too, it usually matters quite a bit when you get the boons and not as much if.
dayum, this is some quality content!
How do you get the emojis on the keepsakes?
By forging bonds with the characters that gave you them, just keep gifting them.
I feel like Chaos damage on attack especially an epic one is highly underrated. I mean even with zeus attack that is like getting a additional athena or aphrodite boon on attack aswell. On the entire run i really suspect it would be atleast a 10-20% damage increase.
I speedran this video, sub 35 mins.
How do you reset so easily?
I like dark regen + bouldy to help conserve dd on tough rooms
I’ve noticed that you say “never skip a chaos gate” but sometimes you ignore them, could someone explain?
chaos gates you do ignore if you are at the final chamber of a biome (if the final shop is available) otherwise, only if you have the option between the chaos gate and another free room
someone feel free to correct me if I'm way off base here
This is correct
Can someone help on the final unlocks?
I've 32 heated every weapon, finished all the storylines (nobody has new dialogue), max collectibles, completed codex, wealth of extra resources etc.
I'm missing 1 song, >/= 1 pieces of furniture, and >/= 1 major unlocks. I have no idea what else to do to trigger whatever I need to trigger so I can buy them.
If you want to buy them then buy things from the wretched broker
is there a way to shoot blood stone and it immediately drop rather than waiting for it to pop out like 5 sec later? i really need to know.
Poseidon sword aspect, Hermes boon "Quick Reload" or kill the enemy
Easy. Don't hit the enemy. If you shoot a wall, it will immediately drop on the ground.
Also, and more helpful, most of the casts drop to the ground with the shield aspect which allows you to charge your cast into your dash.
5 sec is pretty short. I have a longer time loading up the casts or just outright using them.
Generally i stay away from casts unless the weapon that im using weapons that has benfits for the cast
@@sonicfraisheya4028 I'm taking Dionysus cast pretty much always. This thing has incredible burst and two dual boons that can make it even better (Zeus having the fog deal lightning damage, and Demeter having it deal more damage and cold).
My last run, I had both the duals, and Hades melted.
@@nelife but usually i get artemis cast boon
@pally (formerly mfpallytime) collab here?
i'm trying so badly to get a sub 10 run. But seems to me after 2 years of patching its not that easy anymore
Not trying to call ya out or anything but the info here is still relevant since the game hasn't had a meaningful patch since right after launch, Oct 2020. The only thing that may have changed are the metas. You can do it, it just takes time.
Awesome vid mate
The most annoying thing about going for time isn't even the boon RNG, it's bosses randomly getting stuck in invincibility for an extra 10-15 seconds.. That happens way too often in this game.. Hades will just keep attacking when there's no enemies and his next phase should have started, sometimes he just spams stealth non-stop, and Asterius or Lernie can just sit there in invincibility for ages.
The invincibility phases are fixed at certain health intervals, some times bosses might finish an attack while it started but I personally don't consider it a major issue.
I find this boon stuff harder than the combat
Why die once before starting the run?
he wanted a zeus attack
shows that you're not going into a run where you know the first boon. if you "give up" on a run, you start back with the same RNG seed next time you go in. dying on stream shows that your first boon is in fact random, as is the rest of your seed
Great vid, other than the 480p
Super super helpful thanks so much
Can you use god mode on speed runs?
I'm afraid not, it's against the category rules
@@Haelian is there a god mode category :D
i love your cup it's really pretty
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why do you show a death for a speed run?
Part of the ruleset for the speedrunners, to show you're not doing a seeded run.
4% on 20% is still a 20% increase (20x1.2 = 24) re: common vs Epic billowing. Given that it's global dmg% seems ok, plus he has 60% faster charge on god gauge from boon so, minor synergy yay lol
I think you are looking at the wrong percentage: +20% dmg is ×1.2 dmg and +24% is ×1.24. Therefore, since 1.24 = 1.03 × 1.2, it's only a 3% increase, not a 20% increase.
@@Tewnaypot sorry I wasn’t clear, I meant the epic boon itself is 20% better than common boon, not overall dmg but thanks for clarifying!
Re: god pools, I have a theory that the 4 gods are actually predetermined from the start of the run. This is based on, let's just say, many very frustrating runs where I ignore countless Ares boons and never see any other gods offered.
Nah this is false but it does FEEL that way sometimes. I have ignored, say, dio early and ended up with a different 4 gods
Are you using aim assist?
He’s using a controller. So yeah, he kind of have to use aim assist
What is the point to speedrunning a game where your time is like 75% RNG based?
Bragging rights?
TL;DR it really just comes down to the basic idea that different people find different things enjoyable. Just because you don't find the concept of speedrunning Hades particularly exciting or interesting doesn't mean other people won't.
As an example, I myself don't find Ori and the Blind Forest speedruns to be particularly interesting,because the route ignores most of the games progression and does some cheesy stuff to beat the game in under 15 minutes. I don't find it particularly satisfying, and yet other people think that sort of style of play is very exciting and cool to watch! On the other hand, a game such as Super Mario Bros 3 has a similar speedrunning concept that causes a game-breaking glitch to manipulate the games code (not exactly how it works but its close enough) to instantly teleport you to the very end of the game in about 5 minutes. It's a very obscure set of actions you have to take in order to do it, and there are multiple pixel-perfect jumps that need to be done in the right order or else it wont work. Even though I don't find Ori interesting, I think the SMB3 speedrun is very cool even though both games' speedrunning routes ignore almost all of the games levels and progression.
Hades speedruns are enjoyable for a lot of people in the same way that I enjoy Slay the Spire speedruns. Both games involve decent amounts of RNG to be in your favour in order for a speedrun to have a chance at competing with the world record, and if it doesn't work out then your chances are smaller than normal. However, both games also have little to no game-breaking glitches in their routes. To get a fast run you just... play the game quickly. No glitch to instantly beat the game out of nowhere. No exploit to skip most of the games progression. It really just depends on what you think is cool or enjoyable to watch.
@@Greenindragon But come on...its really just braggin rights.
@@Butmunch666 Yea, but how do you brag about something that you got through luck? Someone else could have played better but got a 4 sac instead of a 2 sac so they have a slower time.
Ask the millions of people that find poker enjoyable.