Aye, ×2. Just discovered! He's better than useless Key/Drugs Worker's see atm. Well, over the phone only in these 'Corona times' & when do see them they just type + nod their heads... This geezer knows the score.👍
I used to reference "the flu times 100" Problem is, at least with the flu all you want to do is sleep. Now I tell people "Imagine not being able to get ANY comfort from ANYTHING. And you have the flu times 10,000 and can't even get sleep or rest"
@@adamschaeffer4057 no, dummy. I'm being real with people. So that, they know what to expect. I'm not going to sugar coat recovery. I'll go a step further, and say, getting clean is the easy part. Then comes life.
If your not on suboxzone already don't start it now SERIUOSLY guys. The withdrawals are worse then any pain pill or dope I ever done. I was on 3 8-2s a day for years, now I'm down to 2 8-2s a day. Worse mistake of my life was not quitting cold turkey man. I would recomend anybody quit cold turkey. If you have will power to. I done it 1 time then went back on suboxzone. Bad mistake.
Been off subs for 10 days now after 8 years being on them for 15 years of opiate abuse- what a fucking road, never thought I’d be off & doctors I saw over the years made me feel like I needed to stay on them . Got tired of paying these doctors $200/month - I weened off on my own very slowly- last 2 months was taking .125mg strip & jumped off there. Had about a week of goosebumps, restless leg at night & low energy. Worst for me was going below 1mg & the absolute dark depression that I had to fight through. I will say opiate withdrawal is worse than sub withdrawal. Forcing myself to exercise & eat nutritiously really helped. There is a light at the end- I encourage anyone struggling to find support without judgement- my heart goes out to my fellow addicts.
I'm on 2 mg 3 months now, should I take 1 or none? I've been on it 10 years and very high.. Even 24mg a day.. Now I just want to be done with it but I'm scared to go 0..
@@theangelboy1111yes, but it's not mild, just heroine is the worst.. But suboxone is very long.. Reducing it the right way though their is no withdrawal just boredom..
Thank you for sharing your experience . I've been on subs for I believe 3 years now and I've never took more than 1 whole 2mg strip at a time . In fact I go back and forth taking different sizes of the strip , but within the one . What do I need to do to get off these things ? Please , any advice would be great . Thanks !
1.5 months clean of Subutex & suboxone which I had been on for about 8 years. I had no choice but to stop abruptly. It was difficult, however I powered thru it, and continue to get better daily. I'm thankful. Believe in yourself, you can do this, you got this.
I quit cold turkey. I was taking a half of the smallest sub strips they make which is 2 /. 5 I think. I'm on day 9 but once your minds set its too too bad.. I've went a Lil crazy and yelled in my room and do pushups often.. Your mind goes a Lil crazy and u don't sleep much.. Your feel kinda crazy and have chills nausia poops.. Not as bad as opana or other harder drugs.. I'm still not done tho
I don't care who you are or how long you've been on them, the worst part about withdrawal is RESTLESS LEGS!!! MY god restless leg syndrome is horrible. Edit: 4 years and still no change...
Yeah dude that's really really bad I feel like I want to rip my legs and arms off of me the joints hurt so bad or I don't know quite how you say it you know what I mean you have experience it. I wouldn't wish what happens on my worst enemy, hang in there brother!!
@@letsgrowtogether7015 I'm currently 22 and from age 14 to 19 I took them as sleeping meds. That's what the doc prescribed them for but I moved and lost that doctor. I've been meaning to go back but I'm a addict now and I don't know what to tell him when he does blood tests and finds out so I kept delaying it. It's been almost 4 years
I disagree with alot of this video. Short term. A week is not a month or a yr in any sane person's life. Dragging this out over a long period of time is a bad idea. The sooner you can get off the subs the better. Dont strech this shit out. I've seen it I've lived it. I've heard story after story. There is not one person who needs more than 8mg of suboxone. Start there in 4 to 6 days go to 4mg. Go 4 to 6 days and get yourself to a quarter. Dont fuck around making bullshit excuses a week can be a month or a yr. Get to a quarter and once your there it's over. Look at what you have already accomplished. Take your quarter for a few days then brake that in half. Then move on with your life. Recovery is not a lifestyle, it's a life choice. If you fail then start over. Just don't settle. That is what I did and it was a huge mistake. Suboxone saved my life. But I wasted a lot of my life on it. Time and money I'll never get back. Dont drag this out. If your doc is telling you that it can take up to 2 yrs to get of suboxone then run the other way. Find a better doctor. As long as your serious about getting clean and staying clean. If your doctor is only in it for the money how much do you think he really gives a shit. If your doctor starts you out on more than 8mg once a day. Find a new doctor. Unless you don't really give a shit about anything. Suboxone is supposed to be short term
I started Subs on 6mg a day, 2 month later I’m on 2mg a day, I take away about 1mg per week. I’ve mastered my tapering method. I feel amazing... starting taking off small pieces and taking less every ‘week’. Even if you feel shitty, don’t take more. Put up with the week. Take your time also, but tapering is easy with minor discomfort.. don’t get off opioids to stay on Subs forever. Hope everyone gets right. Much love
I'm now 10 months Suboxone free after being on it for 9 years. At 9 months clean there was a noticeable difference in how I felt. I thought I felt ok after 5 months. But, all of a sudden, when I hit 9 months I felt more consistently energetic and my mood really stabilized.
Love hearing stories like THAT!! I'm at 1mg and in 3 weeks will move to .5.... I'm getting there slowly but surely and most importantly...confidently!!😎🤟
@@sunnys3325 Excellent! For me, the jump you're about to do was the worst one. Although, I went from 1.5 down to .5mg, so it was a 1mg jump. Just get your mind thinking in terms of how you'll be in a year. It's a long process. But, if you're really wanting to be free, you can do it. Stay at each jump dose for at least two weeks. My final dose was .125 for a week, I think. Try not to dwell on how bad you feel when you feel bad. I was able to get through without missing work or anything. The longest lasting symptoms for me were trouble sleeping and bad restless legs. Also a general lack of motivation that lasted months. Just go with it and it gets better, I promise.
@@andthensome512 Thank u for the info and support!! Yeah I have been taking it VERY slow with the taper. Seems I really didnt feel anything until I started messing with 1 mg a day or less. Now I am at that point. I'm back in school so I will have to try to jump after the semester is over. Working while withdrawing is one thing but studying for tests while feeling that way is pretty much impossible for me. I'll be fine. My mind is in a good place and subs are the ENEMY!! I HATE them and so it makes it easier to get my mind I order to quit. 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟😎😎😎
Thank you, through "the universe" I actually backtracked read this. Tomorrow is 5 months, does the emotional shit stop finally? Its perfect in public situations but in private heart is on shoulder. Anyway I am in good path because no relapse, 0, after a bit of abuse. Just wanted to know if it f'd me so bad or is that a consistent symptom.
The 3 biggest things that helped me to get sober , as follows. 1- I admitted to myself first and foremost that we had a serious problem here and it needs to be addressed now before you die . 2- the most important part , I developed a relationship with God , not calling it a higher power (which he is) I’m calling a spade a spade here . Develop a personal relationship and hit your knees to pray , humility is good in Gods eyes. 3- when you go to bed , plan something for the next day that excites and motivates you. Whether it be after work or if your not employed find something to do that you enjoy . In my case , I hit the gym and I mean hit it as hard as humanly possible for years. I got in incredible shape and being 6’5 I got to a leaner 245 lbs and was deadlifting over 600 pounds . I gave myself a goal , stuck to my regiment and way surpassed what I thought I could do. Also skydiving was really an awesome part of sobriety ! It helped me to throw away a life living in fear and realize that nothing is impossible if you give it all you got . You will fail at times, but failure is one of the single biggest steps in finally achieving happiness and success. I hope this helps you , even one person. I love you all
this is exactly whats happened to me,I found out who Jesus was,and got saved,and the Holy Spirit was been in me telling me to stop for a few months now,I would feel guilty everytime I did it..God Bless #theLordisgood
Johnny Raincloud I’m so happy to hear that ! God is good indeed . God never gives up on us , his children. He will finish the good works he starts in us , he promised. I started to feel Gods love in sobriety more than ever , and I began to truly love him and thanked him for every lesson I learned , the good and the bad. God bless you 🙏🏻
I know I’m a year late to reply to this but I wanted to say thank you. I don’t see enough what truly keeps a person sober and that is God! He has put on my heart for awhile now to stop taking suboxone. I have weened down to 1mg a day and going to .50 in a day or two, and I COULD NOT do it without God. I truly feel He has given me grace in this particular season for getting off subs. God bless you and anyone that reads this, God will hold you up. You just have to let Him ❤️
I took 8mg by 2mg and stopped cold Turkey after 8 years of being in recovery because the doctors made money off of me staying on it in grand Rapids MI...it took me 2 weeks in detox but I've been off for a year and have been going strong
I started at 16mg/day and in 2 years was down to 2mg/day.I stayed on 2mg/day for about 2 months.I went from 2 to nothing.I went through withdrawals.It wasn't good.Restless legs for a week was the worst part.After a week I could sleep without restless legs.After that came anxiety,depression,and lack of interest in work or hobbies.Its now 2 years latter and i still dont feel the same as before addiction.But I am at 90%of my former self.I made the mistake of going from 2mg/day to zero.This guy is correct in stating "very slowly taper down".I have stayed clean other than prescribed hydrocodone for broken hand.I did the 5 days prescription and left it alone no probs.It is a battle,and you have to want it.
65 days today sober and tobacco free. It was worth the pain. It was rough the first 2 weeks but depression will still be there but that 100 percent goes away after about 30 days. I feel so much better than I could ever have imagined. Just hold on and push through. Listen to good music to get your soul pumping again.
@@PAULEYBOY84 I hate to admit it but coming off Suboxone is a lengthy process. Not as extreme as heroin but it takes about 30 days to have full energy again. It's possible though don't let that discourage you.
@@B0NY_HAWK nah bro. I'm about 14 months clean after a 10 year habit of Suboxone and any opiates I could get my hands on. Trust me if you've been on this shit for years it's gonna take 6 months to a year to feel normal. Yeah you may be done with the physical withdrawal symptoms after about 30 to 90 days but then you have the worst part which is the mental. Anxiety and depression will be worse than you've ever experienced.
@@PAULEYBOY84 if you don't have anything to distract you or at least heavily influence you to really help and make it during your mental disturbances you will go right back to day zero
I know people are grateful to have you on here. A lot of people can’t talk to there doctors and wish there was more doc”s out there that did this kind of thing. You have some great advise and enjoy your videos.
@@ronrichards2691 HOLY SHIT!!! WHY SO MUCH? WOW!! I STOPPED TAKING AFTER A 3-4MG FOR A WEEK ONCE AND FELT LIKE CRAP THE WHOLE TIME....I'M NOW ONLY TAKING 2MG DAILY BY TAKING .5 DOSES 3-4x's a day until i can get down to one .5 dose a day! Once At that Amount ima quit....so I'm hoping by end of July I'll be done with Subs! Well just take Kratom 3-4days
Hey guys, I am not trying to sell this product I am only telling you that I have been off subs for 6 days now and have not felt one withdrawal symptom. You know why? Kratom. Please do your own research but that stuff really works for getting off of opioids.
Good job! I been on 8mg a day for about 4 months now I'm gonna start to taper just don't know how much and how often I should taper down, any suggestions
Drupp12 don’t break you head thinking how much to taper. Use common sense, take off a piece of the Sub before you take it. Like Dr. said, don’t go back up if you feel discomfort, stay on less for the week and ur body will get used to it. Exercise also helped me kick subs in 3 months altogether
Psychic Medium Ella Dawn I wanted to ask you how you were doing now? If you get this can you please text me back I am slowly down from 16 to .8. When you say you had no withdrawal symptoms at all I find that hard to believe. Good luck to you I hope you are doing well. I will soon see you on the other side :-)
You are speaking the truth. This other doctor on UA-cam said the withdrawal of buprenorphine is allot shorter than any other opiate. I called him out on the BS.
One important thing that I forgot to add in my comments before when I was tapering down and detoxing I still had to go to work and take care of my family but surprisingly when I was busy I felt alot better and most of the times I would forget about it totally but as soon as I was sat in my chair or laying down the withdrawals used to come to me so get out and go for a walk , believe me you feel better or if you are in bed but you cant get sleep and you kicking all over bed get out of the bed and get a hot shower relax your muscles and so on ....
Envy you in that case. Got responsibilities, but sod all family left and no kids (yet). I thought that's where the 'Subbies' came in handy because could at least go about day, keep clean, do chores etc. But couldn't imagine doing that clucking! Will try though/Fed up of this gut rotting demon. (Short term only) Fair-Play to you & all the best.
Thats a 15 minute fix tho, i recommend living in the shower if u can, i literally will lay in the tub for a week because hot water is the only way to get rid of the rls in my arm
@@2jcward Yes ofcourse I felt it , it's on your mind all the time , it's just easier when you're busy and don't forget considering you have tapered down properly and patiently your hardest time is first 7 days and you will start to see improvement after that iv been cleaned for nearly 4 years now and I will never go there again, I got infected with covid 19 two years a go and I dealt with it so good I kept saying to myself:" if I can overcome the addiction, I will overcome anything ".
Definitely good advice. I tapered down and abruptly stopped after being on about 1 mg for a week or so. Took Suboxone for almost 5 years total. Was on 16 mg for a couple years and 8 mg for a year or so but now I'm 6 days off it completely and am having mild withdrawals. I should have gone down to 0.5 mg a day and 0.25 mg a day for a week at least before stopping but I didn't have the discipline to do that.
I’ve tapered all the way down to 0.60mg currently and the taper I’ve had that was the hardest one so far was from 1.5mg to 0.86mg. I’m currently coming from 0.86 to 0.60mg right now. Working through it and slowly tapering. Really wanna get off this and really appreciate your advice and what your saying here and also what a good doctor you are.
Ritalin is the solution for every addiction except porn addiction! I’m a doctor for addiction specialist and I believe Suboxone is for withdraw symptoms only
Yeah, he hit the nail on the head. If you taper down to .125 and even split up your strips into .065, what I call "dots", you will be fine. Start skipping days or going as long as you can without dosing, and then dose when you absolutely have to. You will have pretty much no withdrawals. You will have to let your brain readjust, so lack of motivation, sleep issues, that kind of stuff, completely a cake walk compared to hardcore Opioid withdrawal. It is just tough living without your fix, so you just have to stay positive, move forward, and readjust your life. But, you won't be sick as hell on the bathroom floor wishing you were dead lol.
Of no sleep and pot induced eating. The sleep gradually comes back. After about which then I could go outside with music. Helps dopamine which is at zero. Through no bsing myself, exercise, and the dripping faucet technique ( 1% better everyday) I would like to say I'm fully recovered with 0 relapse. Thank you for even reading this
@@justasmalltowngirl9430 every 17th of the month is another month and it's been 8 months. Whew. If you are just starting to stop please stick with it and get someone you can talk to, I actually still am fortunate to have my Mom around and I bend her ear weekly. Just get it out, it's harder if you don't. Praying for you because I am NEVER going back to that stuff.
I've been following your suggestions and helpful knowledge of the subject for awhile now so thank you. I've been on 8mg for a few years now so I know I'm going to have some trials and tribulations quitting this stuff but I'm so ready to. It did its purpose for me it helped me in every way possible as far as maintaining my job and finances, relationships with family and friends, and just getting away from that lifestyle in general so I feel blessed for that. But it isn't all roses. I don't feel like myself. I feel like I'm a different person not in a good way. I'm not the upbeat and outgoing person I used to be. I'm just different now. But in the small windows in the mornings after I wake up before I take my dose I feel the way I used to feel. It's going to be different for every individual and every situation of course. But I'm ready to take my life back.
CoCo PuFF It’s great that you get to see glimpses of how good things will be once you are free from this. And with as far as you’ve come, you know you’ll get there. Keep up the good work and stay strong. Keep that momentum rolling. 🤘🏽
Yeah I was prescribed it for 4 1/2 years and quit taking it and after I quit taking it I literally went back to being the person I used to be. Unfortunately I got really addicted to opioids and am now prescribed it again but I did have five years off of it and I'm doing everything in my power to get in a place where I can quit again. I used to talk really bad about Suboxone because I really don't like being on it because I know what it's like once you get off of it but it does have its place. I love what you said about that glimpse in the morning of what you used to be you're exactly right and as you quit taking it it's like layers get pulled off of you in overtime you go back to being you it's very euphoric. I'm not going to lie to you though it's hard to do but you can do it as a matter of fact after sometime your body ends up creating like a defense in you get used to being dope sick. Thanks for sharing!!
Robert Lennihan Thats what I’m afraid of...I’m 66. Been on subs since age 52. Had problems with Vicodin going thru menapause. With what’s going on I’m afraid I won’t be able to see my Dr. He’s light and all but if Marshall Law happens...
24 hrs = runny nose mild cold. 48 hrs = body aches chills starting to feel anxious Every hr after that either feels 10x worse with stomachs issues on top. You will get very small intervals of feeling ok for a couple mins. Been trying to taper myself after losing insurance and can't afford so doing it on my own. Going on 3 months now. I get down to 1 mg a day and havent been able to get lower yet or past the 72 hr mark. But still trying. Thanks for the videos, myself I apreciate them. I know it is possible and with a Dr or a professional it would be a million times easier.
@@dr.chrispark thanks I apreciate it. I just want to say that doing it on your own is a ... you get the point. So if anyone has the option to do it under Dr supervision do it that way. I'm almost positive I would have been done by now. 👍 Thanks again and I'll keep in touch.
RyanB524 you can do it buddy. I’m currently down to .4 mg per day. If you can taper to 1 mg, you can keep going trust me I just did it. If you want check out my suboxone channel I’m going to be putting up tons of videos I already have lots. It’s called “kickin addiction”. I was stuck at 1 mg for a while too but I’m doing great at .4 mg and I’m ready to lower again. Slow steady taper as doc said. 👍
You can do it keep fighting for the things that mean the most to you like Doc said in his other video take that a 1mg skip a day do that for a week next week if your doing well take the 1mg skip two days then take it stay there for a week see how you feel if not good stay there until you do I wish you tons of luck I'm on my journey to be off them as well was on 12 a little over a week ago on 8mg now my plan is to be at 4mg next week good luck you got this and stay around positive people
@@1loneheart74 thanks i apreciate it. Skipping a day doesn't work for me it's the taking lower than 1 mg and not feeling that I have taken anything. But I'm working on it. If you can manage to skip days that's awesome. Good luck. For me the really low dose is more of a mental hurdle I have to get thru. Thanks
Is a LONG process...100 day hang over easy for me! Then again, I slipped up and fell onto Suboxone for a decade. Physical “Symptoms” not horrific. Uncomfortable? Of course...beat the crap out of central nervous system for years and you’re gonna have to pay the devil his dues. Is the “No Energy” No Motivation that was the worst for me. That was the last to come back...Lasted past 90 days for me. This started causing great anxiety in me, more stress, just felt snowballing, but just stuck with it. Quit cold turkey from 8-10 mg daily, rapid taper in 4 weeks. First 2 weeks worst, then is just feeling lazy asf! Guts are a bit grumpy, and feel LAZY ASF! Good luck if trying to quit. It can be done, but gotta REALLY want to be clear. Then nothing will stop you!
He's so right if you taper down you'll have very minimal rattles , still hot and cold and constantly uncomfortable for about a week but after that you're buzzing :D
Another great video Doc! I am following you 16 week taper - stagger the dose every other day - and today is day 15 on suboxone. I am currently stable on 2mgs. Should I continue to draw this out longer or should I maybe go down a little more and start skipping days? I just want off it trying to avoid withdrawal, or at least as minimal as possible. Your videos and website are awesome. I must have watched every suboxone video on UA-cam and read every single piece of literature I good get my hands on - medical and anecdotal. I have yet been able to find a scenario somewhat similar to mine. The closest to my situation that I found was a guy on the same dose as me for 2 months who jumped at like 1mg and said it was really tolerable. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I know you cannot give medical advice - let’s just say I am in the mental health field myself - but just curious about a hypothetical scenario... Thanks!
Ross Fallacaro I will normally try to get my folks to 0.5mg every 3 days. Very slow and very low is key to minimizing withdrawal. This is just an example. Some folks can come off at higher levels and tolerate some mild withdrawal. Just kind of depends on the patient and the situation. Good luck and keep me posted 👍
DOC PARK today is day 19 that I have been on suboxone. I am now down to 0.5mg to 1.0mg the most. I’m definitely stable and feeling amazing. I’m going to stay at .5 through Christmas - tomorrow is Christmas Day - then skip days, hopefully ending my taper by the end of the week. The plan is to be 110% off by January 1, 2019 (7days from today). That would mean that I will be on suboxone for a total of 28 days approximately. I feel amazing for the first time in a long time and I’m hoping that I continue to feel this way after I’m off, thanks to the extremely short time I have been on them and the mega doses of vitamin c sodium ascorbate I am taking. I have read miracle stories regarding vitamin c and plan on using a high vitamin protocol the rest of my life. I will keep everyone posted and wishing you all a merry Christmas and happy new year!
@@dr.chrispark How long would you recommend taking the .5mg every three days for? Been tapering for a few years and have been at .5mg for almost a year now. Ive detoxed 2-3 times and was not a fan of the withdrawals so I'm curious what your opinion is on my situation. Ill be starting my final detox within this week as I'm down to my last strip, really thought i was ready this time but the closer i get the more i realize I'm still kind of worried. Will being on this low of a dose actually make a difference or is it just a theory?
Cannabis helps with detox. The taper method works but the first week is so brutal. For me the depression, anxiety and super duper lack of sleep is the worst
I’m on day eight and I’m not to bad. It’s when I go to bed complete. Hell. I. Know this sounds so stupid but. Meth really help. So I need bout a week with no meth I’ll. Be golden. Hang in there it does. Get better
I'm going to stop the suboxone tomorrow after 7,5 years taking it. I'm at 1mg now dose and getting ready for tomorrow to stop with only help of amitriptyline and disclofenac sodium to ease the pain. I was trying to stop before but it only last long for 5 days (at that time my doctor gave me mixed of clobazam/cipralex and clozapine for having a good night sleep) and it didn't work well. I've had enough of it. Wish me luck guys!
@@dayanirarodriguez642 yes it was very similar to taking Suboxone when I was in bad detox from heroin, life saving. I honestly just accepted I would be on Suboxone forever, I bought subs on the street for at least four years, I never wanted to let anyone know I was a drug addict, so I never tried to get prescription. When I stared taking kratom I was down to a quarter 8mg sub twice a day, it's bin 1.5 months just kratom, I'm ready to taper off kratom now. I take two heaping teaspoons 3 times a day. I just can't quit anything cold turkey I'm a single dad and work full-time I can't take a month off to be sick. Be very careful though I've read an seen a lot of videos about kratom withdrawal, so start at lowest possible dose. Good luck!👍
reading some of these comments wow did your doctors go to school? I was taking eight 80mg Oxy pills a day for 5 years habbit, and when I went on subox I only needed a 8mg pill a day.
Ashley Poorman I’d assume he means 8mg buperonorphine. That’s usually how people would refer to the 8mg part, as my dr told me the Naloxone is only in there to prevent people shooting their pills and it doesn’t do anything when taken under the tongue in the suboxone pills.
It’s not that bad , it’s just lengthy . Took like 40 days for me to start feeling normal. It’s definately not a horror story like people are saying . But you need a good 6 weeks off from work or life to do it
F*ck me man. Day 3 and my pain is sharp and constant.. i stare at the clock. Each minute, each hour, each day of pain. I push myself to my mental limit all while hiding it from everyone. No one knows my torment.. Im forced to work and interact with others daily. I am a thousand miles away from home and cant stop life for this. I embrace this. I hate this... isolation messes with the mind..
I am a current sub patient in Vicksburg . I really like my doc, been with him over 5-6 years but I’m ready to stop this madness. Your videos, your book have helped get my mind straightened more than my monthly sub visit routine . Does your facility have inpatient treatment??
I don't understand why you can't get Suboxone at the grocery store it doesn't get you high the only time I've ever got a feeling from it is when I first started taking it whenever I was in withdrawal it took my withdrawals away and I felt good but not high
Doc. Drinking my coffee. I was taking 16 mg a day fir almost 3 years. I went cold turkey because I lost my insurance and I have health problems that don't allow me to work. How long do the major symptoms last like the fatigue and restless leg. Etc..
Long time user. 14 years. I’m on day 5 withdrawal. I chose to quit cold. No way I could cut back. Too addictive personality. Fuk me this sucks. I feel like freight train hit me. The physical part sucks but man the mental withdrawal is devastating. Keep me in ur prayers man.
Dr. Chris Park guess I’m just tired of feeling like I’m under control of something. Don’t get me wrong it def saved my life and I’m forever grateful for it... but guess it’s just time for me to make a change. After a few years and on it started feeling like the sub was keeping me down. Felt like I was isolating. Distant. Losing my drive in life. Hoping I can kick this. Last night was a long freaking night. Slept 10min at a time. Anxiety through the roof. Crazy what a little film can do to ur body.
Been off of Suboxone now since November last year. Find motivators, thing's that can give you reward, but aren't difficult to do, such as taking a hot bath, eating very nutritious meals, maybe making teas that soothe and calm develop a remedy to replace your old addiction motions.
Suboxzone is great for short term use. Long term effects of suboxzone use for me after close to 7 years is no drive to get out of bed at all, period, no testosterone, no sex drive, irregular bowels, constantly gritting my teeth, blurry vision, involuntary twitches in my muscles, constant headaches. Don't go on it if you don't HAVE to.
Exactly the same for me. I detoxed one time in a hospital from 16mlgs because ALL the doctors said it would be NO PROBLEM. I made it 46 days of HELL ON EARTH! I lost my 20/20 vision, a headache that is literally undesirable, like a nail had been drilled in between my eyes. I laid on the couch for 46 days, didn’t even turn on the television. On day 47, I went back to the Sub Dr and he put me back on 8mlgs. I wish to hell I had tried maybe 0.125mlgs. Now I’m still at 8 and desperately trying to taper down doing the “step method.” 6mlgs one day and 8mlgs the next. Suboxone is EVIL. To think I could of just gone to rehab for 60 days coming off a relatively mild Dr prescribed oxycodone regiment. I had NO IDEA what “Suboxone” was a or I would have never taken it. Constipation, depression and my testosterone is so low I haven’t had sex with my wife forever. Marriage is on the line. BIG PHARMA!!! The only people who should ever be placed on Suboxone are people that have been jabbing a needle with heroin in their arm and have tried EVERYTHING ELSE! I feel for you. No one but us actually understands the hell we’ve gone through. I’m told Sublicade is a very doable taper, four shots then nothing. But I also hear people have severe withdrawals too on Sublicade. So I’m determined to get off Suboxone. My life depends on it. Know I feel like an expert in this field. I definitely know more than the “doctors.” Best of luck to you…
I've been on for several years and came off for a week after an injury. The pain killers kept my receptors full but I ran out on a Friday afternoon and woke up Sat morning with the absolute worst agitation I've ever felt. I thought I would go insane. Went back on Suboxone and it cleared up in 20 minutes but geez?? I recently took 3 days off to prepare for a kidney stone removal and each day that crazy agitation was slowly creeping in. It's worse when I lie down. Way worse than Oxycodone WD. Hopefully a slow taper will be manageable when I get to low amounts. Was on 20mg (2.5 strips) and am now just using 8-12 mg daily. So far it's been ok.
Is there anything I can take to remove subs from my body more quickly on my last dose? Detox drinks or vitamins? Also, Would you recommend taking something for sleep while withdrawing
@@stopasking9745 I've tapered from about 20 mil down to 12 for the last month or so, ive been anticipating going down to 8milgr. In the next week or so but just been alot of excuses on my end that im WELL aware are part of my dependency
I’m on day 7 cold turkey from suboxone over 12 years. Believe me you can do it. I did ween myself down to 1 mg for the last 2 days than quit. When your ready you will do it. Sleeping good luck I’m wide awake right now typing this. You can take whatever but them first days your not sleeping. Like I said I’m on day 7 now leg pains gone but my stomach finally just started acting up, insomnia and energy’s low. But the serious pain went away for me on day 4. Good luck hope you get off of these devil drugs
This Doc saved my life, I honestly searched high and low all over the internet, forums, journals, med research, looking for a straight forward/no bullshit, legitimate medical doctor to openly discus the good, bad, bloody, and beautiful about recovery, addiction, MAT, ect ect. Thankful for you Doc.You are touching so many lives through your work via this channel. “Greatly appreciate it” doesn’t even come close, nor remotely encapsulates all you have done for so many.
Ritalin is the solution for every addiction except porn addiction! I’m a addiction specialist and I believe Suboxone is for withdraw symptoms only! Ritalin is the solution for suicidal thoughts if you feel scared and if you watch pornography! If you have a jealous boyfriend or husband, watch female porn!
I’m currently on suboxone but I’ve tried to quit cold turkey and also from tapering and I’ll tell you I’ve never felt that bad in my entire life. The withdrawals from oxy are sooo much easier to deal with.. since the suboxone has such a long half life it takes you 2-3 days to even start withdrawing. I didn’t feel “normal” for almost 2 months when I quit last time. Makes me scared to ever get off it.
Stephen Tumlin day 5 reading this made me feel really good it’s about two weeks or so that’s comforting in a way I try to drink a lot of water just pushhh out
I have been on this bullshit since 2009, consistently thought several different doctors. Around three years ago something happened and I lost my doc for a few months. I had tampered down to less than 1mg a day and had been at that dose a while and was fine with that dose. I went 22 days before I couldn't take this sickness anymore. It was still intensifying. This medication should only be prescribed for a short term thing to help through opioid detox. Big pharma shouldn't be granted the right to ruin the lives of people like this. I have been a prisoner for 10 years. My body hurts so bad everyday when I wake up and The pain doesn't go away until I dose, but after I dose I lose all energy and feel tire the rest of the day. When I was on pain meds I could stop at any givin time and feel like I wouod have a cold for a day or two. I was on Suboxone for a year before I went a day without and first felt this sickness. If I'd known how bad it was I'd never done it. I have only been on 2 mg for the last few years and at this point I feel like I'm detoxing every morning I wake up. I am so unbelievably tired of it.
Your the 1st person I've seen that had a similar experience to mine. Terrible before I dose, exhausted after I dose. It was like my body and brain couldn't adjust no matter how long I took my dose(1 mg).
I took them for 4 years 16 mg a day. Couldn’t get my hands on any one day so withdrawal started so I decided to quit cold turkey. Took the week off work and laid in bed for a week and took a zillion showers. Only thing to help. Sucks but if I can do it anybody can!
I say it in my videos all the time Suboxone saved my life but now i think its time to get off it and move forward with my life. I'm down to 4mg a day .
Same here, I'm down to 4mg too. Been on it for 10 years started at 16mg a day. It saved my life too but I also feel it is time to move forward without it. Now that I'm down to 4mg I'm starting to have feelings again, seems like the past 10 years the subs have made me emotionally/physically numb. I never felt great but never felt bad...as a new husband and father my family deserves a strong/clean man to lead them so i have to be at my best.
@@JedmcCj-uq5dw Only if you are in a country where you can get it...Its illegal in Australia so i've never been able to reduce below 4mg...I struggle....
@@JedmcCj-uq5dw "Started at too high a dose"? really? If you have been on it, you would know that they always start you at a low dose. Thats a big assumption you made that is always going to be factually wrong....I'm guessing you haven't been on Sub for long..Me, 15 years. Started on 2mg, went up to 16mg, now down to 4mg and struggle when i reduce more..You realize everybody is different? We don't all metabolize drugs the same way...
needed emergency sx last week, so i dropped from 8mg/day of suboxone to nothing. i was on KCL & LRS at the hospital for 4 days, i felt fine. but now that im home, i cant stop thinking about it and i feel like im putting the restlessness in my head and making it way worse than it needs to be.. in 2 days itll be a week & i just dont want to go back & start over. i guess i just need to hear that itll be over soon 😩😩
It will be okay, I’m currently day 10 cold Turkey 8mg suboxone and the RLS, insomnia, and decreased appetite is the worst. I’ve lost 20lbs in 10 days. I’m a competitive bodybuilder but know this needs to be done so we can move on with our lives. I hope you’re feeling better 🙏🏼
@@raleighmason7211 i did it!! its been 2 years & 3 ish months. around the second week i started taking 50mg of benadryl to sleep & it got me at least 4-5 hours a night, making it bearable to keep going. you can do this!! 🖤
I stopped abruptly at 12mgs. Struggled with tapering. Its been 6 weeks. The post acute withdrawal has been rough. Depression, low energy, anhedonia are the worst. Truly hope this is temporary. My mind catastrophizes quite a bit. “Im stuck this way.... FOREVER!” I know thats likely irrational but the thought still occurs. Just cant want to fully recover
hey Doc. I've read that Subutex withdrawal can take several days to even start. Yet, on the couple of occasions that I have tried to stop taking it, I go in to withdrawal around hour 30 and went as far as 72 hours where it was pure hell. I was down to 2-3 mg per day. Does withdrawal happen faster when your dosage is low due to the lower amounts in your system, or am i just a wuss who got a small taste of it and will be crushed when the real thing comes?
Nah, mine start before 24 hrs. Constantly yawning with fatigue to start! It's different for everyone, but those who say "you'll Relapse if you don't Taper" isn't very inspiring to those who have no choice! Reckon it depends how long you've been on it tbh. Hope you're off it now anyway.
I slowly went for 8 mg to 1\2 mg in a lil over 4 months. The physical withdrawals weren't so bad for me. I was definitely uncomfortable but tolerable. However the mental part was hell for me. I'm bi polar and still going down just started every other day on 1\2 mg. I knew it was going to be hard for me mentally so I set up counseling and a psychiatrist. Unfortunately the facility sucks and I can't even get an appointment or them on the phone. So if you are mentally ill I recommend having something set up with good doctors. I've never been so up and down mentally in my life. I'm over ready to be stable again but I refuse to go back up. Good luck guys this is the hardest road Ive ever taken. I wish there was an on call person for people coming down.
I'm coming off of 24 mg suboxone , down to 8 mg been 2mg cut every two weeks sometimes a little longer feel a bit flu like and a bit off 3-2 days every second week, my body doesn't notice the difference until 10 days afterwards, I deadlifted 190 kg for reps this morning didn't want to do it glad I did, I was 57 years a month ago, gave up meat 2 months ago dropped 9 kilos , going down to 6 mgs on thursday so the challenge is see if I can do 192.5 kilo dead lift next fornight , only weigh 90 kilos 5"6" , not boasting this is how I chose to do it , I just had my first visit with a psychologist 2 hours ago just going to get her to monitor how I go getting to the pointy end now so I may need some help may not but can't hurt. I tried another psychologist 3 weeks ago wasn't a good fit , that happens no hard feelings just get on with it.
Sounds like you've got a good plan and a solid foundation for making the adjustments you need. Thanks for sharing your story. It will inspire others to work hard and keep at it. Stay strong!
@@dr.chrispark thank you Dr yeah, I gave up smoking 80 cigarettes on Janu 17th 1994 at 2 pm , but who's counting hey? I used to drink and went to a rehab here in Adelaide Australia in 2011 for 7 months I don't even think about drinking now just not an option , cognitive behavior therapy it worked for me , a lot of people bag it and say bad things , others do the rooms, like AA or NA , but I have found living honestly , in my dealings with others and especially myself , don't think it's all about me but I need to call others on their bad behavior or when they encroach on my boundaries, but not beating myself up is important and holding myself to a higher account is important. Sorry Dr going off into the weeds a bit there, thank you for your professionalism and understanding , I would like to say CBT therapy worked for me and some people may not be as receptive to it as myself it's hard but it works , others may find the rooms work , but again Dr Chris thank you.
I have taken them for two months, started at eight, weaned down to 1 to 3 mg a day for the last month, what kind of symptoms and timeline am I theoretically looking at? I’m at day two and I feel OK
My first time withdrawing off suboxone I was taking 32 mgs for a year than all of a sudden my doctor up and quite so I dealt with horrible and I mean HORRIBLE w/d for 18 days. Its was the worst time in my life. I stared taking my aunts tramadol just to feel better than a couple months later I had w/d from the trams. It was def unexpected. I was getting brain zaps and all. I honestly thought I was gonna die in that time period. Needless to say i'm back on the subs and taking 8 to 12 mg a day and I would love to taper off. I've mentioned it to my doc and he seems to think I need this for the rest of my life. I truly think he doesn't know anything about tapering off suboxone. You seem like you generally care about your patients so I would love some advice or a detail plan on tapering. I'm ready to start getting off this crutch and be free of pharmaceutical drugs all together!!!
Meagan Renee Holy Cow! Stopping from 32mg/day is brutal. Glad you’re doing better now and getting by on lower dose. If I had a patient that was taking 8 to 12mg, I’d have them start by just getting to 8mg every day for a month. See how they felt and then either keep them on that dose another month or cut back slightly. The next step would be to go to 6mg/day or try the alternating schedule I discuss on my 16wk taper video. Each step down depends on how well you’re feeling on current dose. Keep your momentum, motivation, and positive mindset and you’ll be able to do this!
@@dr.chrispark Thank you I think that was the best advice I've gotten yet! I'm gonna check out your video and start my taper! I just really hope I can keep a positive mindset and my sanity when it's all said and done!
reading some of these comments wow did your doctors go to school? I was taking eight 80mg Oxy pills a day for 5 years habbit, and when I went on subox I only needed a 8mg pill a day.
I love your videos. I got on suboxone on my own thru a friend and now I’ve tapered to 1mg and ended up in a situation where I just want this shit behind me. Everyone in videos says doctor this and doctor that but I don’t have insurance and I get too much anxiety with a doctor. I’m currently a day and a half without suboxone and I’m only experiencing very minimal withdrawals. I’m just curious as to when the withdrawals are supposed to kick in. When I was on dope it was pretty much 18 hours and I was in full blown withdrawals. I know suboxone stays in your system longer and I know the feeling when you think your in the clear and then BOOM it hits. I’m just curious if you can give me some insight.
Anthony Boehler Usually around 48hrs. Some people do okay jumping off at 1mg and some need to get lower. Hopefully this will be a smooth transition and you’re past the worst of it. Good luck ✌🏽
Dr. Chris Park so Wednesday will mark 3 weeks off suboxone. I feel great but I have one issue that won’t seem to reset itself and that’s my sleep. I’ve been dealing with horrible insomnia for 3 weeks. To the point it’s becoming way to much. In the beginning I wouldn’t sleep at all and would finally sleep for a few hours at around 6am. But for about 2 weeks now I’ll fall asleep around 11pm but I will wake up at 3am and be up until 11pm again. The only times I’ve gotten more than 7 hours is once a week when I’m so mentally exhausted I shut down. I can’t sleep more than 3 hours a day and it’s taking a toll. When will this reset? I know everything takes time. Any info will help. Thank you.
Doctor I have a very important question. I drink two cups of strong coffee after I take my 8mg suboxone dose in the morning about 4am and I notice around 10AM I feel bad. No full withdrawal just the burning sick sensation in my flesh. I notice if I cut 3mg of of another strip it goes away and I feel soothed. Do you think its the coffee pushing out the suboxone early. Note: I know ur gonna tell me not to take an extra 3mg and I promise I only did it a few times when I had a high paying cleaning gig to accomplish, lol. Please and thank you good looking 🤭🤭🙏🏾🙏🏾And seriously may God truly bless you and ur family ten fold🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💛🌞
Let's grow together A couple of ideas, but keep in mind I’m not your doctor so talk to them before changing anything. I have noticed in some people when dieting and losing weight they might need a higher dose for a short time. Or might need more carbs. The doctor that idea is to split your dose and take 6mg in morning then another 2mg later when you start to feel you need it. Keep up the great work 👍
I was on 24 mgs for 9 years and all of a sudden I got a call the day before my appointment telling me that the company was closing. This was 2 years ago and I am still suffering severe withdrawals. I have not used any opiates
Acute W/D's still after two years? Or just the post acute items like depression and anxiety? Do you sleep at night without the restlessness? I'm just curious. That would be horrid to deal with for two years man!
Is it normal after about 8 days of being off subs, for your pupils to be different, like one bigger than the other, and high sensitivity to light? Also,...how long should you expect diarrhea, or not being able to eat?
Stephen Tumlin sorry I don’t know how I missed your comment. Yes you are so right, I done it before, and it took me 4 days to fully feel it but on a 5th day I went back on a prescription so I don’t really know what it’s really like after that, and that was a rapid detox, I haven’t been on it for long at all ❤️
Stephen Tumlin I’m glad to hear is not as bad as full blown “on the floor” kind of feeling 😊 and I think you are doing just amazing!! Well done. So my detox will go like this, it starts on the 29th(Monday) on 2 ml, I think by Wednesday I will be on nothing, but still will have to go in to my drug services, would see a nurse every day, will get some medication to help with withdrawals too, but I’m such a baby. I noticed with subutex, I get constant goosebumps I wonder if there’s anything I can do about it 😊
Hey doctor... I need to write and let everyone know how right you are where Kratom is concerned. I jumped off at 2mg of Subutex this last Sept 2nd. I know this is a pretty high dose. I just couldn't get the pills cut smaller. And if course, after 20 years being in opiates the withdrawals were insane. After four days I got some Kratom to take just to help me through the acute withdrawal phase. Long story short is in an earlier post you advised against taking Kratom and I should have listened. I am about 36 hours in from taking no Kratom and the withdrawals are hell. You advised against using Kratom as a tool for withdrawal. I wish I would have listened to your well placed advice. Kratom is very hard to stop.
I’m actually in a sub program because of kratom, I was told it was non addictive and it would be safer to take while I was pregnant than my prescription for Percocet. I have bulging discs in my lower back from a weight lifting accident. And I kept upping my dose and well, baby came out with opioid like withdrawals and I was accused of abusing drugs, which they ran all the test but it was humiliating Non the less, because I already held so much guilt on what I did to my child but then to be shamed for something I didn’t do didn’t help me or him, but I wanted to get off it and I had severe withdrawals, they put me on subs and when I tried to taper down they told me it was too early, 7 months later and I’m down only 1 of my 3 pill alotted daily. I feel like a failure. Kratom ruined my life
@@noodiehunter4408 I have since went back on Suboxone and trying to taper down. I thought Kratom was the answer as its helped many people. I didn't help me. I am so sorry about your circumstances. That is a sad sad story for sure.
Dr... A question... Does the length of time one is on Suboxone or Subutex directly effect how long the acute withdrawal symptoms will last!?? I was on Suboxone and then Subutex for 15 years straight. Painkillers for 3-4 prior to that. Is it a medical certainty that I will be in this acute phase longer!? I am two weeks clean today. Even with Kratom my legs are still running marathons at night. I had to jump off at 2mg as I couldn't break up the pills any smaller. Any insight!??
My general rule of thumb is you'll start feeling 50% better every week after the first 2-3wks. This is not scientific though. Just my observation. And effects seem to be more due to rapidity of taper and/or jumping off point. You're at 2weeks so this is a good benchmark. Things should start getting better. I don't recommend Kratom. It's an opiate so, you could still technically have some withdrawal due to it (I know plenty will disagree with me on that). Good luck brother and keep pushing forward!
@@dr.chrispark Wow... Thank you Dr for the quick response. Believe me when I tell you that I was very reticent about the Kratom. I did a great amount of research and after day three almost killing me I gave it a try. It has been very helpful. I'm only going to take it for maybe one more week. It can't have much of a lingering effect with only taking it for three weeks. I pray you are correct about my being on the backside of the acute withdrawal symptoms. I pray I can sleep at some point!!! Thank you once again... For all you do sir.
On May 22 it will be five yrs that I have been on suboxone . I am now tapering down, if I do the tapering down slowly over several weeks to the point that I am taking 1 mg , will I feel any withdrawal??? Having been in withdrawal to many times to count , I know exactly how desperately horrific it feels and my hope is to never feel it again. After 5 yrs on suboxone, I have not had any relapses . I have been places where I know there are large amounts of narcotic painkillers that I could easily snatch with no one noticing but I simply don’t care, I don’t crave the high at all, my fear is that I don’t crave the high because I’m taking soboxone so when I’m finally off it , will I crave the high??
That's a great question and it's one reason a lot of people stay on Suboxone for long periods of time. There's no way to know if you'll have serious cravings again until you're at that point. The best thing to do is prepare all the other ways: exercise, sleep well, good nutrition, GOOD COUNSELING. And then you'll be better prepared to handle unforeseen circumstances. I've also had some patients that were off meds but then thought they were going to relapse so they went back on Suboxone. As far as the taper goes, some people have withdrawal as low as 0.25mg and some people feel fine. My patients seem to do better with the low and slow approach. I try to get them to as low a dose as possible with alternating doses sometimes and/or skipping days at times to get a feel for when withdrawal (if any) kicks in.
Yeah you will have withdrawals sometimes I feel like you change one addiction for another one specially that you been taking suboxone for a long time ..good luck
@@saulprehus7974 Yes the taper process can be very difficult, especially like you said...if you've been on Suboxone for a long time. Just remember there's a difference between dependence and addiction. Taking a medicine because you have severe withdrawals is not the same as using drugs, ruining relationships, destroying your health, and breaking yourself financially.
TM L I need to talk to my family dr about that because my son takes clonidine for an important reason so if it is something that will help I want her prescribe it to me . I don’t want to be in withdrawal and not have it and get to the point that I want to die and end up taking my sons. It is horrifying what addiction can make a really good person do.
Please don’t drop the ball with any of your patients. My doctor just messed up and I need a dose but my script has not hit the cvs yet. Please make sure there’s always some one who can sign off on meds.
I know this is going to sound a little illegal but if you're an exopioid addict you know people who sell Suboxone just buy like four extra off someone and keep them in case of emergency. I always keep four extra Suboxone in my gun case other than my script so I know I always have some. I was just giving you an idea so you know.
With Suboxone. (Is that Subutex?) I'd say with Suboxone ... WRONG! To me at least. Thank you so much, Doc for this video. I "Tapered" off WITH my pain Doc for 1 year. So excited to get off it! On Jan. 13th, 2022 i took my last little TINY sliver (I Almost couldn't see it). I woke up Sat. the 15th in a full-blown withdrawal! It's been pretty hellish since. I'm on day 21. Feel a bit better. I mean "a bit". Yawning constantly, black diarrhea, sweating, tingling everywhere, and ZERO energy. I understand we are ALL different. But, good God this sucks! Staying as positive as I can. Thank you again, Dr. Chris. :)
I've been on suboxone for about 3 years and I dont have a script I buy it from a "friend" I take about a half sometimes a little more of an 8mg tablet daily. I take it because it helps tremendously with my depression and suicidal thoughts. How bad do you think the withdrawal would be?
I have a question, I was reading that the sub withdrawal is the worst in the first 72 hrs like I imagined since the heroine and fentanyl were always the worst in those first 3 days. I’m on Suboxone now and have been for 4 years. I was at 24mg a day after only a few months, and now for about the last 3/4 of the year I have been on 28mg. I wanted to see how bad it would be so I thought I would just not take any for as long as I can until I couldn’t stand it and then I would. I get weekly carries now for being clean so long so I only go in once a week to pick up my doses for the week. I last took mine on Thursday morning at about 8:45, and it’s now Sunday night at midnight. I haven’t hardly had much withdrawals tho and I’m wondering if it’s cause of how high my dose is and the naloxone has maybe countered the effects of it for a while which is why I feel like it hasn’t helped me much over these last years in terms of body aches and feeling good enough to do much, or if it’s just cause it’s a high dose and it hasn’t all completely left my system. Today I was feeling slight withdrawals like the chills then sweats from one second to the next, yawning a lot, runny nose and sneezing, and I’d say slightly more body aches, but I’ve been able to sleep and eat, I haven’t been super restless or bouncing my legs through the ceiling, so I’m a little confused as I figured by now I’d be throwing up everything I eat and shitting a waterfall out me arse. If anyone else has experienced this could you let me know if it’s just cause it’s not all out of my system and that I may feel really sick in the next day or so, or if the naloxone has countered it all these yrs. I heard that the naloxone is only in it to prevent people shooting it and that it doesn’t do anything when ingested/ dissolved under tongue. Also I will add that I have been quite constipated for several weeks, so I haven’t passed much of it out of my system that way, but I know if the sickness is coming that will pass very quickly lol. Also I was told when I started the program that 24mg was the max dose, and I was reading about heavy users who only took 8-12 mg a day and it worked wonders, and here I was at 24mg after only 4 months on the program, and now at 28mg. UPDATE: It’s now 3:45 the next day, I’ve now gone 79hrs without the suboxone and my symptoms have stayed about the same. I was able to go to the bathroom this morning, and I’m sure by now it’s all out of my system. I had a pretty shitty sleep tho, waking up every few hrs cause my back had that restless feeling in it you get from withdrawal. But I’m now convinced that the higher the dose, the naloxone cancels out the bupe, cause this is crazy... I used to withdrawal so bad from the fentanyl and heroine, and I see people in here saying the sub withdrawal can be worse, but here I am 79 hrs without it and have very mild to barely any withdrawal symptoms. The chills and sweats are getting annoying and I’m still slightly restless, but it’s not to the point I’m laying on the ground bouncing or kicking my legs around. I have been able to eat as well. I was havin some stomach cramps earlier and felt like I was going to shit myself but it was just mostly gas. I’m probably going to take an 8mg here to get rid of the sweats and chills cause they’re annoying, but definitely going to tell my dr about this cause I’m really surprised at how well I feel for just stopping 28mg for 3 n a half days now cold turkey.
Buprenorphine definitely wouldn't be out of your system in 79 hours, but withdrawal is different for everyone. Some have it easier than others. What did you end up doing? Have you stayed off the Suboxone?
iNdiA_ Daws0n no I just took my regular dose that night. Like the sweats and slight chills we’re getting kind of annoying, yawning like every 30 seconds and eyes watering a lot also was annoying. I dunno maybe if I waited till the next day it would’ve been really bad like it was coming off fentanyl and heroin. But I mean I usually don’t take my whole dose cause I don’t really need it. I end up with so many extra 8mg and 2mg pills when I go pick up my weeks worth every Thursday. Next visit with my dr I’m probably going to talk about starting to come down to get off it.
But what if you been tapering for four years and you’ve been sitting at 1 mg a day for two years. Because I’ve been doing that forever and when I stop taking it I get very sick it’s not like I wake up and say everything’s gonna be good my head is absolutely splitting wide open my eyes my nose start watering and then all the stomach problems. On top of that this medicine Strips testosterone and potassium from your body they had to put me on testosterone treatment because my testosterone levels dropped super low and I have to be very careful about my potassium. All these things combined makes it really hard to get off of this stuff especially if you’ve been taking it for so long what is your advice
James Hopkins If one of my patients can’t stop at 1mg (and most can’t), I have them continue tapering. I have them alternate 1mg and 0.5 mg every other day. Maybe for a few months or maybe several. Then down to 0.5mg daily. Several months later, we try spreading out the dose from every 24hrs to every 30hrs. Then once stable, every 36hrs, etc. just an example. Talk to your doc about what might be your best approach
I’m hopefully starting my suboxone wean soon. I just created a new channel to document it and my recovery journey. Hopefully all goes well. My biggest fear is you never know how your provider is going to recommend you taper. She could have a fast taper in mind, and if that’s the case, I think I’ll need to do it on my own. It’s scary.
Jamey Summers Yes I have. I’ll probably do a video on it in future. It’s for Acute withdrawals and not for extended therapy or maintenance treatment. It is similar to clonidine which we’ve been using for years
@@dr.chrispark Clonidine makes me super tired and sometimes gives me a bloody nose. It also does nothing to curb W/D for me anyway. Have you ever had a person tell you clonidine helped them through the acute phase?
Bloodbath1046 I’ve never used it solely. Always in addition with other meds. I think it’s usefulness is just to help take a slight edge off for folks determined to battle through acute withdrawal without medication assistance (i.e. opiate agonist)
It's not that hard coming off the strips I cut them in half and used a little bit of kava and kratom to help the with drawls exercise tened to help too and the less I thought about it the better I felt
@Stephen Tumlin Well said Stephen. So True. Made my choice to get off starting Monday after 6 years. Ugh just the $ I spend monthly from scripts & Drs.
Kratom is a miracle for the pain .. it attaches itself to your receptors and keeps you at bay .. If you want it .... you'll get there ... I suggest kratom to anyone coming off of opiates....
@Stephen Tumlin you said you want to be able to FEEL emotions again - dude I'm in the exact same boat. I was explaining this to my wife the other day. I don't get excited, I don't feel great, I don't laugh anymore, but I don't feel bad either...I'm just comfortably numb when on subs. I'm now down to 4mg and starting to have tiny little spurts of emotions now and then which is very encouraging. I've been numb for 10 years.
Dr park would you suggest using suboxone to come off methadone. I used it for 2 weeks to get off pills and h, but I know methadone is a different monster to come off of. I'm trying to come down I've came down to 70 from 140 a day but I'm stuck and I want to be clean again I had 6 month clean off opiates and got another injury got scared and let a friend talk me into methadone which was a life saver at the time. But 5 years later I feel trapped and I no longer need opiates for pain for the injuries of my youth, and I want to be free to live again. I'm a truck driver by trade and can't go where the money is because I have to be near home since I'm shackled to the clinic. Help me find the right direction to my freedom again. It's the fear of the unknown that keeps me chained to this lifestyle. Ps. To the guys that will try to tell me it's my choice I'm here I know it's my fault for abusing my medication and other drugs and going down this path. I need direction how to find my way out, not to be told it's my fault I'm here.
Hi... I m on day 41 on 0 mg after stopping to take subs from a high dose... I think I got some paws, I still got an RLS at night that won’t let me sleep trough, I took different kinds of medication like dominal or Zopiclon, both couldn’t help... a few days ago I was reading that cbd oil could help with RLS. I took some, and for last 2 day I was sleeping much better, I still awake 3 am as all the time, but my legs don’t shake and then I can find sleep again... do you have some experience about CBD oil? Thank s for ur work...
can you take suboxone for tramadol withdrawal ?? would it cause serontonin syndrome or anything ?___ I am a 58 yrs old RN nurse, i have chronic back pain, hernaited disc, scoliosis, osteo arthritis etc... 14 years !!! on tramadol, 50mg 3x a day, the first week going to only 2 pills per day WAS HELL !!!! PANIC ATTACKS, sweating, insomnia, diarrhea,my eye was twitching, my BP was high, had to increase my BP meds, got RX FOR ATIVAN for the panic attacks, but i worry about pain when i finished detoxing ?? i was prescribed gabapentin, which works but makes me feel really tired sometimes, i also have flexeril___i was thinking about EFFEXOR anti depressant for pain ?? i heard horror stories about side effects of CYMBALTA anti depressent for pain____I CANNOT TAKE NSAIDs, THEY UPSET MY STOMACHE, ONE MADE ME VOMIT
Hey Dr. Park! I cant find my comment on here where you left the number to the office. I called though and left my name and number about a week ago. Going into surgery today and still have a couple questions... I've been on suboxone. My dr switched me to subutex for a week. Then I have to switch back to suboxone. If I have to take pain medication, can I take it while taking my regular dose of subutex? I doubt I'll need the pain medicine for long, if at all but want to be prepared if I do need it.
Jenna Talia Current recommendations are leaning towards taking the pain meds if necessary while on subutex. Could make you nauseated or be less effective. My preferred method is increasing the subutex for pain control after surgery instead of taking opiates. This seems to work best for my patients for the days following the surgery. Make sure you consult with your doc before making any changes though. Good luck!
@Dr. Acula watch taking kratom also . If you take to much it will do the same thing as far as addicted. I have a buddy an he quit subs but he now has to take kratom everyday . I'm like uhh not what I want to do bud you really didn't get off anything.
I've been on 12mg 2x a day for 5 years. I tapered down to 6mg to 12mg a day for 1yr. I cold Turkey 15 days and I feel like I'm dying. I've been eating pain pills when i can find them, anxiety pill last night so I could sleep with the rls. When will it go away.
dude even jumping off at 1mg is torture much less 6. get some CBD isolate maybe it will half the pain and then take kratom with it and maybe some lyrica you should be OK with at least 2 out of the 3
Suboxone was the best thing that happened to me !! It saved my life with the right goal in place and a medical team ! Just like you said the first time you take it you have to let your body go through withdrawls atleast 12 hours after you last used. Started with 16 mg a day now currently at 2mg ! Started 7 months ago and cant wait to be in the finish line. And I know I will face withdrawls etc but it's something I've accepted I rather withdrawl 3 days get it over with and move on with my life then ever going back to opiates
Just got out of hospital was on 8mg Subutex every morning at 9. Seraquil, zyprexa, 1 my klonopin, kicked out of Scripps Mercy hospital no meds take home. Kicked to street. Why and what to expect? Please answer. Thanks.
I have been taking 0.5mg to .25mg of suboxone in the morning and evening, for about roughly a year. What are your recommendations for come off completly. Will my body go through withdrawal badly if I just stop? Thank you for all your videos. I have been researching for hours, then found you. I think I am finally going to be able to do this now. Thank you for what you do Dr. Park!!!
I have been on 8mg of suboxone for 65 days. Do I need to do a long taper?.what do you recommend. Please help, I am scared of not being able to go to work.
What about a street doctor, can he coach me stepping down? Maybe someone who went through med school and then committed a few felonies and got his MD revoked. Is that the person I should be talking to?
Jumping off. 25 is the same as jumping off 2mg or maybe more, iwas off it for 3 days and i took the smallest crumb and was high af and so much energy it was just as powerful as if i took a 8mg , suboxone so weird
Omg same with me there are times I tell myself I’m jumping off and only take a baby piece to start my taper and sometimes that’s all I need last week I was taking 8mg faithfully the last couple days only 2mg a day suboxone plays games with you it’s a dangerous drug smh
You got high off a small crumb? Suboxone didn’t even get me high at all, it just gave me a feeling if well being and made me feel normal. Maybe subs aren’t for you.
So true. I kept reading comments on different forums of people saying with Suboxone "Little is more with Suboxone" now I get it. Same thing here. I noticed if I take a smaller amount then normal, I get so amped my vision even goes whacko. I literally will feel like my bones are gonna jump out of my body. I totally get it. Btw. I've been on same dose of suboxone for 6 years. 1 strip a day cut in half. I'm trying to taper but the less I take the more f'd up I get.
Is there any good medical reason why I’ve been in Suboxone since 2009-2010. I tapered my dose down to 1 g from 16mg. I came into a very stressful time in my life and was dealing with a ton of anxiety and overwhelming feelings. When I told my dr about this all he did was increase my dose back to 16mg from 1mg and said if I’m still Feeling anxiety take an extra suboxone. He said because Benzo’s don’t mix well With the Suboxone all he could do Was increase my dose?! I’m now on 24mg and was so close to tapering off. Very frustrated at this point
@@dr.chrispark hi . I am on 8 mg a day off the street and I've been clean from heroin for 3 weeks now. I cut it into pieces through out the day. I have only 4 strips left and don't plan on getting more . Do you think I'll suffer much if I start tapering down now ?
i just stopped altogether cause i'm sick & tired of it doesn't do anything for me just got me addicted now i'm so miserable i didn't taper at all from 6-7 mg.
Dude, please don't tell people they aren't going to have any of very little withdrawal if they taper. This is just not true. I've detoxed off subs twice now. This second time I weaned down to pencil head micro doses and the wds are still a B. Yes, I believe they have been less intense this last go around, but I ain't going to b.s nobody and set them up for failure by pretending they a walk in the park when they simply aren't. Conversely, I don't won't to scare anyone either. You CAN 100% do the detox. It's definitely doable, but it's going to be uncomfortable for a couple weeks min. Do your research for comfort meds and when you have made up your mind and have the time you CAN do the detox. I have done it both ways, cold turkey and by weaning down. I'm not a doctor, but I can share my experience and hope. Just comment and I do my best to give details from my experiences and what helped me most. Knowing what to expect this last detox made the seemingly hopeless days seem far less hopeless.
Started on 16mg 2 years ago, down to 4mg atm..... I didn’t suffer any withdrawal doing this. But I will say I reckon I was on too much to begin with probably twice as much as needed
so a week after rehab I had overdosed so I wanted to be on Suboxone maintenance I've been on 6mg for 2 months now and ready to stop do you think I'll need to ween myself or do you think I can just quit cold turkey cuz of the short amount of time I've been on it? Thanks
Tomorrow will be my 1st day off subs. I've only been taking an 1/8th of a 8mg strip each morning for about 5 mths but now I'm out and I'm not buying no more? However, I plan to smoke me a lot of weed if necessary. Do you guys think this will help?
When I was coming off Subutex Dr Park's videos helped me alot I agree with everything he says, you need to taper down guys, it's very hard to come off it , cold Turkey from 16mg or even 8mg a day you will not tolerate it after 3 or 4 days you'll relapse Taper down to 1mg a day it's easy enough give your body time to adjust (small doses works as good as big doses with buprenorphine) then when you ready take 1mg every other day that's when you know you are ready to jump off , remember, No pain No gain but it's a small pain nothing you cant tolerate.
That was my big mistake I did not taper at all I egotistical e just said okay I know it's going to be shity for a week maybe 10 days but I can handle this ... boy was I wrong
I Fkn love this guy!!
Aye, ×2. Just discovered! He's better than useless Key/Drugs Worker's see atm. Well, over the phone only in these 'Corona times' & when do see them they just type + nod their heads... This geezer knows the score.👍
@@nickycotton6137 yep, im currently 4 months off Suboxone and life is Fkn GREAT!!
@@sunnys3325 = Hope still all good..👍
@@nickycotton6137 yes SIRRRR..... goin on 7 months clean off suboxone. Life is fkn amazing!! Hope u r doing well
@@sunnys3325 = Just waiting to get into Detox. Glad you're all good etc
I used to reference "the flu times 100" Problem is, at least with the flu all you want to do is sleep.
Now I tell people "Imagine not being able to get ANY comfort from ANYTHING. And you have the flu times 10,000 and can't even get sleep or rest"
So basically you're scaring people into not trying. Good job
@@adamschaeffer4057 no, dummy. I'm being real with people. So that, they know what to expect. I'm not going to sugar coat recovery. I'll go a step further, and say, getting clean is the easy part. Then comes life.
@@DetroitWrecker666 Well maybe you could say flu times 100, but being clean is worth it and 1000 times better. Or maybe that's not your experience
If your not on suboxzone already don't start it now SERIUOSLY guys. The withdrawals are worse then any pain pill or dope I ever done. I was on 3 8-2s a day for years, now I'm down to 2 8-2s a day. Worse mistake of my life was not quitting cold turkey man. I would recomend anybody quit cold turkey. If you have will power to. I done it 1 time then went back on suboxzone. Bad mistake.
@@treyferguson9393 hang in there bro. You'll get there
Been off subs for 10 days now after 8 years being on them for 15 years of opiate abuse- what a fucking road, never thought I’d be off & doctors I saw over the years made me feel like I needed to stay on them . Got tired of paying these doctors $200/month - I weened off on my own very slowly- last 2 months was taking .125mg strip & jumped off there. Had about a week of goosebumps, restless leg at night & low energy. Worst for me was going below 1mg & the absolute dark depression that I had to fight through. I will say opiate withdrawal is worse than sub withdrawal. Forcing myself to exercise & eat nutritiously really helped. There is a light at the end- I encourage anyone struggling to find support without judgement- my heart goes out to my fellow addicts.
so you agree that Suboxone withdrawal is much much milder to Heroin or other Opiates?
I'm on 2 mg 3 months now, should I take 1 or none? I've been on it 10 years and very high.. Even 24mg a day.. Now I just want to be done with it but I'm scared to go 0..
@@theangelboy1111yes, but it's not mild, just heroine is the worst.. But suboxone is very long.. Reducing it the right way though their is no withdrawal just boredom..
My dr loves to take my 100$ every 2 weeks! Still better than heroine
Thank you for sharing your experience . I've been on subs for I believe 3 years now and I've never took more than 1 whole 2mg strip at a time . In fact I go back and forth taking different sizes of the strip , but within the one . What do I need to do to get off these things ? Please , any advice would be great . Thanks !
1.5 months clean of Subutex & suboxone which I had been on for about 8 years. I had no choice but to stop abruptly. It was difficult, however I powered thru it, and continue to get better daily. I'm thankful. Believe in yourself, you can do this, you got this.
What was ur mg u stopped
@@timothyliott202 how are you now
How long does it take for the physical withdrawal to go away? The chills, goosebumps, hot and cold, yawning, soreness, etc?
@@HIPPIETHUG92109 he literally posted 2 months ago
I quit cold turkey. I was taking a half of the smallest sub strips they make which is 2 /. 5 I think. I'm on day 9 but once your minds set its too too bad.. I've went a Lil crazy and yelled in my room and do pushups often.. Your mind goes a Lil crazy and u don't sleep much.. Your feel kinda crazy and have chills nausia poops.. Not as bad as opana or other harder drugs.. I'm still not done tho
I don't care who you are or how long you've been on them, the worst part about withdrawal is RESTLESS LEGS!!! MY god restless leg syndrome is horrible.
Edit: 4 years and still no change...
Yeah dude that's really really bad I feel like I want to rip my legs and arms off of me the joints hurt so bad or I don't know quite how you say it you know what I mean you have experience it. I wouldn't wish what happens on my worst enemy, hang in there brother!!
Restless legs and hot/cold flashes with extreme depression...
No, That Was Nothing For Me. The Part That Was The Worst is not being able to Sleep.
Clonidine is a mirrical for restless legs, and sweating
@@letsgrowtogether7015 I'm currently 22 and from age 14 to 19 I took them as sleeping meds. That's what the doc prescribed them for but I moved and lost that doctor. I've been meaning to go back but I'm a addict now and I don't know what to tell him when he does blood tests and finds out so I kept delaying it. It's been almost 4 years
I disagree with alot of this video. Short term. A week is not a month or a yr in any sane person's life. Dragging this out over a long period of time is a bad idea. The sooner you can get off the subs the better. Dont strech this shit out. I've seen it I've lived it. I've heard story after story. There is not one person who needs more than 8mg of suboxone. Start there in 4 to 6 days go to 4mg. Go 4 to 6 days and get yourself to a quarter. Dont fuck around making bullshit excuses a week can be a month or a yr. Get to a quarter and once your there it's over. Look at what you have already accomplished. Take your quarter for a few days then brake that in half. Then move on with your life. Recovery is not a lifestyle, it's a life choice. If you fail then start over. Just don't settle. That is what I did and it was a huge mistake. Suboxone saved my life. But I wasted a lot of my life on it. Time and money I'll never get back. Dont drag this out. If your doc is telling you that it can take up to 2 yrs to get of suboxone then run the other way. Find a better doctor. As long as your serious about getting clean and staying clean. If your doctor is only in it for the money how much do you think he really gives a shit. If your doctor starts you out on more than 8mg once a day. Find a new doctor. Unless you don't really give a shit about anything. Suboxone is supposed to be short term
I started Subs on 6mg a day, 2 month later I’m on 2mg a day, I take away about 1mg per week. I’ve mastered my tapering method. I feel amazing... starting taking off small pieces and taking less every ‘week’. Even if you feel shitty, don’t take more. Put up with the week. Take your time also, but tapering is easy with minor discomfort.. don’t get off opioids to stay on Subs forever. Hope everyone gets right. Much love
I'm now 10 months Suboxone free after being on it for 9 years. At 9 months clean there was a noticeable difference in how I felt. I thought I felt ok after 5 months. But, all of a sudden, when I hit 9 months I felt more consistently energetic and my mood really stabilized.
Love hearing stories like THAT!! I'm at 1mg and in 3 weeks will move to .5.... I'm getting there slowly but surely and most importantly...confidently!!😎🤟
@@sunnys3325 Excellent! For me, the jump you're about to do was the worst one. Although, I went from 1.5 down to .5mg, so it was a 1mg jump. Just get your mind thinking in terms of how you'll be in a year. It's a long process. But, if you're really wanting to be free, you can do it. Stay at each jump dose for at least two weeks. My final dose was .125 for a week, I think. Try not to dwell on how bad you feel when you feel bad. I was able to get through without missing work or anything. The longest lasting symptoms for me were trouble sleeping and bad restless legs. Also a general lack of motivation that lasted months. Just go with it and it gets better, I promise.
@@andthensome512 Thank u for the info and support!! Yeah I have been taking it VERY slow with the taper. Seems I really didnt feel anything until I started messing with 1 mg a day or less. Now I am at that point. I'm back in school so I will have to try to jump after the semester is over. Working while withdrawing is one thing but studying for tests while feeling that way is pretty much impossible for me. I'll be fine. My mind is in a good place and subs are the ENEMY!! I HATE them and so it makes it easier to get my mind I order to quit. 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟😎😎😎
Thank you, through "the universe" I actually backtracked read this. Tomorrow is 5 months, does the emotional shit stop finally? Its perfect in public situations but in private heart is on shoulder. Anyway I am in good path because no relapse, 0, after a bit of abuse. Just wanted to know if it f'd me so bad or is that a consistent symptom.
The 3 biggest things that helped me to get sober , as follows.
1- I admitted to myself first and foremost that we had a serious problem here and it needs to be addressed now before you die .
2- the most important part , I developed a relationship with God , not calling it a higher power (which he is) I’m calling a spade a spade here . Develop a personal relationship and hit your knees to pray , humility is good in Gods eyes.
3- when you go to bed , plan something for the next day that excites and motivates you. Whether it be after work or if your not employed find something to do that you enjoy . In my case , I hit the gym and I mean hit it as hard as humanly possible for years. I got in incredible shape and being 6’5 I got to a leaner 245 lbs and was deadlifting over 600 pounds . I gave myself a goal , stuck to my regiment and way surpassed what I thought I could do.
Also skydiving was really an awesome part of sobriety ! It helped me to throw away a life living in fear and realize that nothing is impossible if you give it all you got . You will fail at times, but failure is one of the single biggest steps in finally achieving happiness and success.
I hope this helps you , even one person.
I love you all
this is exactly whats happened to me,I found out who Jesus was,and got saved,and the Holy Spirit was been in me telling me to stop for a few months now,I would feel guilty everytime I did it..God Bless
#theLordisgood
Johnny Raincloud
I’m so happy to hear that ! God is good indeed . God never gives up on us , his children. He will finish the good works he starts in us , he promised. I started to feel Gods love in sobriety more than ever , and I began to truly love him and thanked him for every lesson I learned , the good and the bad.
God bless you 🙏🏻
I know I’m a year late to reply to this but I wanted to say thank you. I don’t see enough what truly keeps a person sober and that is God! He has put on my heart for awhile now to stop taking suboxone. I have weened down to 1mg a day and going to .50 in a day or two, and I COULD NOT do it without God. I truly feel He has given me grace in this particular season for getting off subs. God bless you and anyone that reads this, God will hold you up. You just have to let Him ❤️
I took 8mg by 2mg and stopped cold Turkey after 8 years of being in recovery because the doctors made money off of me staying on it in grand Rapids MI...it took me 2 weeks in detox but I've been off for a year and have been going strong
I wish I was still on Morphine. Much easier withdrawal
Jacob Langston that’s the same situation I’m in. The docs want me to keep coming in so I’m currently getting myself off. I’m at 4mg per day
I started at 16mg/day and in 2 years was down to 2mg/day.I stayed on 2mg/day for about 2 months.I went from 2 to nothing.I went through withdrawals.It wasn't good.Restless legs for a week was the worst part.After a week I could sleep without restless legs.After that came anxiety,depression,and lack of interest in work or hobbies.Its now 2 years latter and i still dont feel the same as before addiction.But I am at 90%of my former self.I made the mistake of going from 2mg/day to zero.This guy is correct in stating "very slowly taper down".I have stayed clean other than prescribed hydrocodone for broken hand.I did the 5 days prescription and left it alone no probs.It is a battle,and you have to want it.
I'm in that position now trying to quit..I was born and raised near Detroit in Dearborn and Taylor MI,good job brother
I have been on 8 yrs to an would love to stop an want to . The mental gets to me so bad .
65 days today sober and tobacco free. It was worth the pain. It was rough the first 2 weeks but depression will still be there but that 100 percent goes away after about 30 days. I feel so much better than I could ever have imagined. Just hold on and push through. Listen to good music to get your soul pumping again.
That's awesome! Thanks for giving folks inspiration
30 days? 😂
@@PAULEYBOY84 I hate to admit it but coming off Suboxone is a lengthy process. Not as extreme as heroin but it takes about 30 days to have full energy again. It's possible though don't let that discourage you.
@@B0NY_HAWK nah bro. I'm about 14 months clean after a 10 year habit of Suboxone and any opiates I could get my hands on. Trust me if you've been on this shit for years it's gonna take 6 months to a year to feel normal. Yeah you may be done with the physical withdrawal symptoms after about 30 to 90 days but then you have the worst part which is the mental. Anxiety and depression will be worse than you've ever experienced.
@@PAULEYBOY84 if you don't have anything to distract you or at least heavily influence you to really help and make it during your mental disturbances you will go right back to day zero
I know people are grateful to have you on here. A lot of people can’t talk to there doctors and wish there was more doc”s out there that did this kind of thing. You have some great advise and enjoy your videos.
Wish you were my doctor we need more docs like you
KC Brooke Thanks 🤙
@@dr.chrispark I'm on 4 8mg a day so I shouldn't stop right away
@@ronrichards2691 HOLY SHIT!!! WHY SO MUCH? WOW!! I STOPPED TAKING AFTER A 3-4MG FOR A WEEK ONCE AND FELT LIKE CRAP THE WHOLE TIME....I'M NOW ONLY TAKING 2MG DAILY BY TAKING .5 DOSES 3-4x's a day until i can get down to one .5 dose a day! Once At that Amount ima quit....so I'm hoping by end of July I'll be done with Subs! Well just take Kratom 3-4days
@@Tbone42tx how you getting on?? Hope your winning
@@Tbone42tx how r u holding up brotha?
Day 1 for me sure could use a little support
Joe Blow Good Luck and Stay Strong!
day 2 for me u good? i still have suboxone and my mind is telling me i can get high off them. its not good. i cant fucking go back tho
Hey guys, I am not trying to sell this product I am only telling you that I have been off subs for 6 days now and have not felt one withdrawal symptom. You know why? Kratom. Please do your own research but that stuff really works for getting off of opioids.
@@chandlercostanza7307 what kind there are like a hundred
Kyle Robb did you end up using again? If not please tell me it gets better after a week
I tapered from 12mg slowly to finally 0.25mg a day then 0.25mg every 2 days then done. No withdrawal symptoms at all.
Good job! I been on 8mg a day for about 4 months now I'm gonna start to taper just don't know how much and how often I should taper down, any suggestions
What about symptoms tapering I’ve had many symptoms tapering to .6 so can’t imagine
Drupp12 don’t break you head thinking how much to taper. Use common sense, take off a piece of the Sub before you take it. Like Dr. said, don’t go back up if you feel discomfort, stay on less for the week and ur body will get used to it. Exercise also helped me kick subs in 3 months altogether
In canada there is no 0.25 mg. I went from 2mg to absolutley nothing 3 weeks ago. Still feel drained , anxious and cant relax.
Psychic Medium Ella Dawn I wanted to ask you how you were doing now? If you get this can you please text me back I am slowly down from 16 to .8. When you say you had no withdrawal symptoms at all I find that hard to believe. Good luck to you I hope you are doing well. I will soon see you on the other side :-)
You are speaking the truth. This other doctor on UA-cam said the withdrawal of buprenorphine is allot shorter than any other opiate. I called him out on the BS.
One important thing that I forgot to add in my comments before when I was tapering down and detoxing I still had to go to work and take care of my family but surprisingly when I was busy I felt alot better and most of the times I would forget about it totally but as soon as I was sat in my chair or laying down the withdrawals used to come to me so get out and go for a walk , believe me you feel better or if you are in bed but you cant get sleep and you kicking all over bed get out of the bed and get a hot shower relax your muscles and so on ....
Envy you in that case. Got responsibilities, but sod all family left and no kids (yet). I thought that's where the 'Subbies' came in handy because could at least go about day, keep clean, do chores etc. But couldn't imagine doing that clucking! Will try though/Fed up of this gut rotting demon. (Short term only) Fair-Play to you & all the best.
Thats a 15 minute fix tho, i recommend living in the shower if u can, i literally will lay in the tub for a week because hot water is the only way to get rid of the rls in my arm
What about the chills? You didn’t feel when you were busy?
@@2jcward
Yes ofcourse I felt it , it's on your mind all the time , it's just easier when you're busy and don't forget considering you have tapered down properly and patiently your hardest time is first 7 days and you will start to see improvement after that iv been cleaned for nearly 4 years now and I will never go there again, I got infected with covid 19 two years a go and I dealt with it so good I kept saying to myself:" if I can overcome the addiction, I will overcome anything ".
Definitely good advice. I tapered down and abruptly stopped after being on about 1 mg for a week or so. Took Suboxone for almost 5 years total. Was on 16 mg for a couple years and 8 mg for a year or so but now I'm 6 days off it completely and am having mild withdrawals. I should have gone down to 0.5 mg a day and 0.25 mg a day for a week at least before stopping but I didn't have the discipline to do that.
I’ve tapered all the way down to 0.60mg currently and the taper I’ve had that was the hardest one so far was from 1.5mg to 0.86mg. I’m currently coming from 0.86 to 0.60mg right now. Working through it and slowly tapering. Really wanna get off this and really appreciate your advice and what your saying here and also what a good doctor you are.
I went from 2mg to absolutley nothing 3 weeks ago. Still sick. In canada the lowest dose is 2mg.
Ritalin is the solution for every addiction except porn addiction! I’m a doctor for addiction specialist and I believe Suboxone is for withdraw symptoms only
🙏💪❤️
Yeah, he hit the nail on the head. If you taper down to .125 and even split up your strips into .065, what I call "dots", you will be fine. Start skipping days or going as long as you can without dosing, and then dose when you absolutely have to. You will have pretty much no withdrawals. You will have to let your brain readjust, so lack of motivation, sleep issues, that kind of stuff, completely a cake walk compared to hardcore Opioid withdrawal. It is just tough living without your fix, so you just have to stay positive, move forward, and readjust your life. But, you won't be sick as hell on the bathroom floor wishing you were dead lol.
Of no sleep and pot induced eating. The sleep gradually comes back. After about which then I could go outside with music. Helps dopamine which is at zero. Through no bsing myself, exercise, and the dripping faucet technique ( 1% better everyday) I would like to say I'm fully recovered with 0 relapse. Thank you for even reading this
How long you off of them?
@@justasmalltowngirl9430 every 17th of the month is another month and it's been 8 months. Whew. If you are just starting to stop please stick with it and get someone you can talk to, I actually still am fortunate to have my Mom around and I bend her ear weekly. Just get it out, it's harder if you don't. Praying for you because I am NEVER going back to that stuff.
@@jasonwolfe9026 thanks so much man. Yeah luckily I do still have my mother, and she listens pretty well, ....most of the time. 🤔😏
I've been following your suggestions and helpful knowledge of the subject for awhile now so thank you. I've been on 8mg for a few years now so I know I'm going to have some trials and tribulations quitting this stuff but I'm so ready to. It did its purpose for me it helped me in every way possible as far as maintaining my job and finances, relationships with family and friends, and just getting away from that lifestyle in general so I feel blessed for that. But it isn't all roses. I don't feel like myself. I feel like I'm a different person not in a good way. I'm not the upbeat and outgoing person I used to be. I'm just different now. But in the small windows in the mornings after I wake up before I take my dose I feel the way I used to feel. It's going to be different for every individual and every situation of course. But I'm ready to take my life back.
CoCo PuFF It’s great that you get to see glimpses of how good things will be once you are free from this. And with as far as you’ve come, you know you’ll get there. Keep up the good work and stay strong. Keep that momentum rolling. 🤘🏽
I know exactly how you feel ..
Yeah I was prescribed it for 4 1/2 years and quit taking it and after I quit taking it I literally went back to being the person I used to be. Unfortunately I got really addicted to opioids and am now prescribed it again but I did have five years off of it and I'm doing everything in my power to get in a place where I can quit again. I used to talk really bad about Suboxone because I really don't like being on it because I know what it's like once you get off of it but it does have its place. I love what you said about that glimpse in the morning of what you used to be you're exactly right and as you quit taking it it's like layers get pulled off of you in overtime you go back to being you it's very euphoric. I'm not going to lie to you though it's hard to do but you can do it as a matter of fact after sometime your body ends up creating like a defense in you get used to being dope sick. Thanks for sharing!!
I took subs for 5 years max dose 16 mg tapered myself down to 4 mg then to two it waz pretty rough doesn’t get easy as we get older
Robert Lennihan Thats what I’m afraid of...I’m 66. Been on subs since age 52. Had problems with Vicodin going thru menapause. With what’s going on I’m afraid I won’t be able to see my Dr. He’s light and all but if Marshall Law happens...
@@cbass2755 how are you doing?
24 hrs = runny nose mild cold.
48 hrs = body aches chills starting to feel anxious
Every hr after that either feels 10x worse with stomachs issues on top. You will get very small intervals of feeling ok for a couple mins. Been trying to taper myself after losing insurance and can't afford so doing it on my own. Going on 3 months now. I get down to 1 mg a day and havent been able to get lower yet or past the 72 hr mark. But still trying. Thanks for the videos, myself I apreciate them. I know it is possible and with a Dr or a professional it would be a million times easier.
Thanks for the feedback. Those low doses can be killer. Keep fighting and good luck!
@@dr.chrispark thanks I apreciate it. I just want to say that doing it on your own is a ... you get the point. So if anyone has the option to do it under Dr supervision do it that way. I'm almost positive I would have been done by now. 👍 Thanks again and I'll keep in touch.
RyanB524 you can do it buddy. I’m currently down to .4 mg per day. If you can taper to 1 mg, you can keep going trust me I just did it. If you want check out my suboxone channel I’m going to be putting up tons of videos I already have lots. It’s called “kickin addiction”. I was stuck at 1 mg for a while too but I’m doing great at .4 mg and I’m ready to lower again. Slow steady taper as doc said. 👍
You can do it keep fighting for the things that mean the most to you like Doc said in his other video take that a 1mg skip a day do that for a week next week if your doing well take the 1mg skip two days then take it stay there for a week see how you feel if not good stay there until you do I wish you tons of luck I'm on my journey to be off them as well was on 12 a little over a week ago on 8mg now my plan is to be at 4mg next week good luck you got this and stay around positive people
@@1loneheart74 thanks i apreciate it. Skipping a day doesn't work for me it's the taking lower than 1 mg and not feeling that I have taken anything. But I'm working on it. If you can manage to skip days that's awesome. Good luck. For me the really low dose is more of a mental hurdle I have to get thru. Thanks
Is a LONG process...100 day hang over easy for me! Then again, I slipped up and fell onto Suboxone for a decade. Physical “Symptoms” not horrific. Uncomfortable? Of course...beat the crap out of central nervous system for years and you’re gonna have to pay the devil his dues. Is the “No Energy” No Motivation that was the worst for me. That was the last to come back...Lasted past 90 days for me. This started causing great anxiety in me, more stress, just felt snowballing, but just stuck with it. Quit cold turkey from 8-10 mg daily, rapid taper in 4 weeks. First 2 weeks worst, then is just feeling lazy asf! Guts are a bit grumpy, and feel LAZY ASF! Good luck if trying to quit. It can be done, but gotta REALLY want to be clear. Then nothing will stop you!
He's so right if you taper down you'll have very minimal rattles , still hot and cold and constantly uncomfortable for about a week but after that you're buzzing :D
Another great video Doc! I am following you 16 week taper - stagger the dose every other day - and today is day 15 on suboxone. I am currently stable on 2mgs. Should I continue to draw this out longer or should I maybe go down a little more and start skipping days? I just want off it trying to avoid withdrawal, or at least as minimal as possible. Your videos and website are awesome. I must have watched every suboxone video on UA-cam and read every single piece of literature I good get my hands on - medical and anecdotal. I have yet been able to find a scenario somewhat similar to mine. The closest to my situation that I found was a guy on the same dose as me for 2 months who jumped at like 1mg and said it was really tolerable. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I know you cannot give medical advice - let’s just say I am in the mental health field myself - but just curious about a hypothetical scenario...
Thanks!
Ross Fallacaro I will normally try to get my folks to 0.5mg every 3 days. Very slow and very low is key to minimizing withdrawal. This is just an example. Some folks can come off at higher levels and tolerate some mild withdrawal. Just kind of depends on the patient and the situation. Good luck and keep me posted 👍
DOC PARK today is day 19 that I have been on suboxone. I am now down to
0.5mg to 1.0mg the most. I’m definitely stable and feeling amazing. I’m going to stay at .5 through Christmas - tomorrow is Christmas Day - then skip days, hopefully ending my taper by the end of the week. The plan is to be 110% off by January 1, 2019 (7days from today).
That would mean that I will be on suboxone for a total of 28 days approximately. I feel amazing for the first time in a long time and I’m hoping that I continue to feel this way after I’m off, thanks to the extremely short time I have been on them and the mega doses of vitamin c sodium ascorbate I am taking. I have read miracle stories regarding vitamin c and plan on using a high vitamin protocol the rest of my life. I will keep everyone posted and wishing you all a merry Christmas and happy new year!
Ross Fallacaro Sounds great! Merry Christmas🤙
@@dr.chrispark How long would you recommend taking the .5mg every three days for? Been tapering for a few years and have been at .5mg for almost a year now. Ive detoxed 2-3 times and was not a fan of the withdrawals so I'm curious what your opinion is on my situation. Ill be starting my final detox within this week as I'm down to my last strip, really thought i was ready this time but the closer i get the more i realize I'm still kind of worried. Will being on this low of a dose actually make a difference or is it just a theory?
Holmesy5192 Different for different folks. You just have to get a feel for it. You’ll know
Cannabis helps with detox. The taper method works but the first week is so brutal. For me the depression, anxiety and super duper lack of sleep is the worst
I’m on day eight and I’m not to bad. It’s when I go to bed complete. Hell. I. Know this sounds so stupid but. Meth really help. So I need bout a week with no meth I’ll. Be golden. Hang in there it does. Get better
@Steven Glansberg you are damn right Steven
I was on suboxone and had no withdrawals thank God because that’s something I was concerned about.
That's Awesome. How did you taper? What did you taper down to?
Lol
I'm going to stop the suboxone tomorrow after 7,5 years taking it. I'm at 1mg now dose and getting ready for tomorrow to stop with only help of amitriptyline and disclofenac sodium to ease the pain. I was trying to stop before but it only last long for 5 days (at that time my doctor gave me mixed of clobazam/cipralex and clozapine for having a good night sleep) and it didn't work well. I've had enough of it. Wish me luck guys!
Update????
T R I B E codeine? Lol no wander u typed a extra happy long paragraph. U are high on opiates feelin that great euphoria huh?
@@s2h995 😝 but my doctor already tappering off the dosage and I can feel it and the withdrawal from suboxone already gone
@@tribe8342 just try red Bali kratom
@@dayanirarodriguez642 yes it was very similar to taking Suboxone when I was in bad detox from heroin, life saving. I honestly just accepted I would be on Suboxone forever, I bought subs on the street for at least four years, I never wanted to let anyone know I was a drug addict, so I never tried to get prescription. When I stared taking kratom I was down to a quarter 8mg sub twice a day, it's bin 1.5 months just kratom, I'm ready to taper off kratom now. I take two heaping teaspoons 3 times a day. I just can't quit anything cold turkey I'm a single dad and work full-time I can't take a month off to be sick. Be very careful though I've read an seen a lot of videos about kratom withdrawal, so start at lowest possible dose. Good luck!👍
reading some of these comments wow did your doctors go to school? I was taking eight 80mg Oxy pills a day for 5 years habbit, and when I went on subox I only needed a 8mg pill a day.
Do u mean the 2mg sub 8mg nalox? Just curious.
Ashley Poorman I’d assume he means 8mg buperonorphine. That’s usually how people would refer to the 8mg part, as my dr told me the Naloxone is only in there to prevent people shooting their pills and it doesn’t do anything when taken under the tongue in the suboxone pills.
@@LJT9393 this is a dangerous combination, these long term opiods cause damage, kratom is the better choice.
Good lord 640 mg oxycontin or oxynorm? That's insane
Thank You so much for these videos. You are teaching me so much. Def the best videos I've found. You Give me Hope.
It’s not that bad , it’s just lengthy . Took like 40 days for me to start feeling normal. It’s definately not a horror story like people are saying . But you need a good 6 weeks off from work or life to do it
F*ck me man. Day 3 and my pain is sharp and constant.. i stare at the clock. Each minute, each hour, each day of pain. I push myself to my mental limit all while hiding it from everyone. No one knows my torment.. Im forced to work and interact with others daily. I am a thousand miles away from home and cant stop life for this. I embrace this. I hate this... isolation messes with the mind..
@@Vietnam_Chr0nicles how you feeling man
@@brianjackson3031 i made it through.. i did it :)
@@Vietnam_Chr0nicles congratulations bro. I’m proud of you brother. I’m on day 8 myself. I’ll see you on the other side of sobriety. God Bless you.
@@brianjackson3031 Goodluck brother. God bless
I am a current sub patient in Vicksburg . I really like my doc, been with him over 5-6 years but I’m ready to stop this madness. Your videos, your book have helped get my mind straightened more than my monthly sub visit routine . Does your facility have inpatient treatment??
Don't get off your Subs until you have gone through treatment. Without the knowledge, you will almost certainly relapse or worse.
I don't understand why you can't get Suboxone at the grocery store it doesn't get you high the only time I've ever got a feeling from it is when I first started taking it whenever I was in withdrawal it took my withdrawals away and I felt good but not high
On day 3 of cold turkey quitting. It's bad. But it's doable. It's the worst of any withdrawals I've ever had
Doc. Drinking my coffee. I was taking 16 mg a day fir almost 3 years. I went cold turkey because I lost my insurance and I have health problems that don't allow me to work. How long do the major symptoms last like the fatigue and restless leg. Etc..
@Craven Moorehead I went back on at a lower dose. Yikes. God it was hell.
I’ve been stuck between 4-8mg for ages. I’m honest to god sick of it
You'll get there. Stay strong
Long time user. 14 years. I’m on day 5 withdrawal. I chose to quit cold. No way I could cut back. Too addictive personality. Fuk me this sucks. I feel like freight train hit me. The physical part sucks but man the mental withdrawal is devastating. Keep me in ur prayers man.
O yeah. I’m taking Clonidine now as per dr. I don’t do much tho
Carlos Lehder Why are you stopping Suboxone? Just curious
Dr. Chris Park guess I’m just tired of feeling like I’m under control of something. Don’t get me wrong it def saved my life and I’m forever grateful for it... but guess it’s just time for me to make a change. After a few years and on it started feeling like the sub was keeping me down. Felt like I was isolating. Distant. Losing my drive in life. Hoping I can kick this. Last night was a long freaking night. Slept 10min at a time. Anxiety through the roof. Crazy what a little film can do to ur body.
Well day 13 here. Still in full withdrawal. Hating life.
Been off of Suboxone now since November last year. Find motivators, thing's that can give you reward, but aren't difficult to do, such as taking a hot bath, eating very nutritious meals, maybe making teas that soothe and calm develop a remedy to replace your old addiction motions.
Suboxzone is great for short term use. Long term effects of suboxzone use for me after close to 7 years is no drive to get out of bed at all, period, no testosterone, no sex drive, irregular bowels, constantly gritting my teeth, blurry vision, involuntary twitches in my muscles, constant headaches. Don't go on it if you don't HAVE to.
Exactly, I agree with all you said!
Exactly the same for me. I detoxed one time in a hospital from 16mlgs because ALL the doctors said it would be NO PROBLEM. I made it 46 days of HELL ON EARTH! I lost my 20/20 vision, a headache that is literally undesirable, like a nail had been drilled in between my eyes. I laid on the couch for 46 days, didn’t even turn on the television. On day 47, I went back to the Sub Dr and he put me back on 8mlgs. I wish to hell I had tried maybe 0.125mlgs. Now I’m still at 8 and desperately trying to taper down doing the “step method.” 6mlgs one day and 8mlgs the next. Suboxone is EVIL. To think I could of just gone to rehab for 60 days coming off a relatively mild Dr prescribed oxycodone regiment. I had NO IDEA what “Suboxone” was a or I would have never taken it. Constipation, depression and my testosterone is so low I haven’t had sex with my wife forever. Marriage is on the line. BIG PHARMA!!! The only people who should ever be placed on Suboxone are people that have been jabbing a needle with heroin in their arm and have tried EVERYTHING ELSE! I feel for you. No one but us actually understands the hell we’ve gone through. I’m told Sublicade is a very doable taper, four shots then nothing. But I also hear people have severe withdrawals too on Sublicade. So I’m determined to get off Suboxone. My life depends on it. Know I feel like an expert in this field. I definitely know more than the “doctors.” Best of luck to you…
I've been on for several years and came off for a week after an injury. The pain killers kept my receptors full but I ran out on a Friday afternoon and woke up Sat morning with the absolute worst agitation I've ever felt. I thought I would go insane. Went back on Suboxone and it cleared up in 20 minutes but geez?? I recently took 3 days off to prepare for a kidney stone removal and each day that crazy agitation was slowly creeping in. It's worse when I lie down. Way worse than Oxycodone WD. Hopefully a slow taper will be manageable when I get to low amounts. Was on 20mg (2.5 strips) and am now just using 8-12 mg daily. So far it's been ok.
Is there anything I can take to remove subs from my body more quickly on my last dose? Detox drinks or vitamins? Also,
Would you recommend taking something for sleep while withdrawing
How you making out Janelle
@@stopasking9745 I've tapered from about 20 mil down to 12 for the last month or so, ive been anticipating going down to 8milgr. In the next week or so but just been alot of excuses on my end that im WELL aware are part of my dependency
@@janelleschlosser1490 hang in there buddy
I’m on day 7 cold turkey from suboxone over 12 years. Believe me you can do it. I did ween myself down to 1 mg for the last 2 days than quit. When your ready you will do it. Sleeping good luck I’m wide awake right now typing this. You can take whatever but them first days your not sleeping. Like I said I’m on day 7 now leg pains gone but my stomach finally just started acting up, insomnia and energy’s low. But the serious pain went away for me on day 4. Good luck hope you get off of these devil drugs
This Doc saved my life, I honestly searched high and low all over the internet, forums, journals, med research, looking for a straight forward/no bullshit, legitimate medical doctor to openly discus the good, bad, bloody, and beautiful about recovery, addiction, MAT, ect ect.
Thankful for you Doc.You are touching so many lives through your work via this channel. “Greatly appreciate it” doesn’t even come close, nor remotely encapsulates all you have done for so many.
Meghan Servidio WOW! Thank you for those kind words. I do not deserve them but they mean more to me than you’d ever know. ✌🏽
Ritalin is the solution for every addiction except porn addiction! I’m a addiction specialist and I believe Suboxone is for withdraw symptoms only! Ritalin is the solution for suicidal thoughts if you feel scared and if you watch pornography! If you have a jealous boyfriend or husband, watch female porn!
I’m on day 1 off Suboxone. I did a 16 week program, i tapered down quick, but I managed 2 weeks at half a pill (1mg) so far so good
I’m currently on suboxone but I’ve tried to quit cold turkey and also from tapering and I’ll tell you I’ve never felt that bad in my entire life. The withdrawals from oxy are sooo much easier to deal with.. since the suboxone has such a long half life it takes you 2-3 days to even start withdrawing. I didn’t feel “normal” for almost 2 months when I quit last time. Makes me scared to ever get off it.
Stephen Tumlin day 5 reading this made me feel really good it’s about two weeks or so that’s comforting in a way I try to drink a lot of water just pushhh out
I have been on this bullshit since 2009, consistently thought several different doctors. Around three years ago something happened and I lost my doc for a few months. I had tampered down to less than 1mg a day and had been at that dose a while and was fine with that dose. I went 22 days before I couldn't take this sickness anymore. It was still intensifying. This medication should only be prescribed for a short term thing to help through opioid detox. Big pharma shouldn't be granted the right to ruin the lives of people like this. I have been a prisoner for 10 years. My body hurts so bad everyday when I wake up and The pain doesn't go away until I dose, but after I dose I lose all energy and feel tire the rest of the day. When I was on pain meds I could stop at any givin time and feel like I wouod have a cold for a day or two. I was on Suboxone for a year before I went a day without and first felt this sickness. If I'd known how bad it was I'd never done it. I have only been on 2 mg for the last few years and at this point I feel like I'm detoxing every morning I wake up. I am so unbelievably tired of it.
Your the 1st person I've seen that had a similar experience to mine. Terrible before I dose, exhausted after I dose. It was like my body and brain couldn't adjust no matter how long I took my dose(1 mg).
There's no way you're sick every morning. It has such a long half life you don't even get withdrawal symptoms til like day 3.
I took them for 4 years 16 mg a day. Couldn’t get my hands on any one day so withdrawal started so I decided to quit cold turkey. Took the week off work and laid in bed for a week and took a zillion showers. Only thing to help. Sucks but if I can do it anybody can!
This was 4 years ago next month btw never looked back
Auvea Power it gets better every day. It’s not easy but it IS worth it. I was sick of being sick. Try weed if u can.
I say it in my videos all the time Suboxone saved my life but now i think its time to get off it and move forward with my life. I'm down to 4mg a day .
I got down to .5 milligram a day still got sick as hell, red Bali kratom did the trick though and I was able to quit
Same here, I'm down to 4mg too. Been on it for 10 years started at 16mg a day. It saved my life too but I also feel it is time to move forward without it. Now that I'm down to 4mg I'm starting to have feelings again, seems like the past 10 years the subs have made me emotionally/physically numb. I never felt great but never felt bad...as a new husband and father my family deserves a strong/clean man to lead them so i have to be at my best.
@@JedmcCj-uq5dw Only if you are in a country where you can get it...Its illegal in Australia so i've never been able to reduce below 4mg...I struggle....
@@Timbo6669 really? I find one milligram twice a day works fine for me you must of started at too high a dose
@@JedmcCj-uq5dw "Started at too high a dose"? really? If you have been on it, you would know that they always start you at a low dose. Thats a big assumption you made that is always going to be factually wrong....I'm guessing you haven't been on Sub for long..Me, 15 years. Started on 2mg, went up to 16mg, now down to 4mg and struggle when i reduce more..You realize everybody is different? We don't all metabolize drugs the same way...
needed emergency sx last week, so i dropped from 8mg/day of suboxone to nothing. i was on KCL & LRS at the hospital for 4 days, i felt fine. but now that im home, i cant stop thinking about it and i feel like im putting the restlessness in my head and making it way worse than it needs to be.. in 2 days itll be a week & i just dont want to go back & start over. i guess i just need to hear that itll be over soon 😩😩
It will be okay, I’m currently day 10 cold Turkey 8mg suboxone and the RLS, insomnia, and decreased appetite is the worst. I’ve lost 20lbs in 10 days. I’m a competitive bodybuilder but know this needs to be done so we can move on with our lives. I hope you’re feeling better 🙏🏼
@@raleighmason7211 i did it!! its been 2 years & 3 ish months. around the second week i started taking 50mg of benadryl to sleep & it got me at least 4-5 hours a night, making it bearable to keep going. you can do this!! 🖤
I stopped abruptly at 12mgs. Struggled with tapering. Its been 6 weeks. The post acute withdrawal has been rough. Depression, low energy, anhedonia are the worst. Truly hope this is temporary. My mind catastrophizes quite a bit. “Im stuck this way.... FOREVER!” I know thats likely irrational but the thought still occurs. Just cant want to fully recover
hey Doc. I've read that Subutex withdrawal can take several days to even start. Yet, on the couple of occasions that I have tried to stop taking it, I go in to withdrawal around hour 30 and went as far as 72 hours where it was pure hell. I was down to 2-3 mg per day. Does withdrawal happen faster when your dosage is low due to the lower amounts in your system, or am i just a wuss who got a small taste of it and will be crushed when the real thing comes?
Nah, mine start before 24 hrs. Constantly yawning with fatigue to start! It's different for everyone, but those who say "you'll Relapse if you don't Taper" isn't very inspiring to those who have no choice! Reckon it depends how long you've been on it tbh. Hope you're off it now anyway.
I slowly went for 8 mg to 1\2 mg in a lil over 4 months. The physical withdrawals weren't so bad for me. I was definitely uncomfortable but tolerable. However the mental part was hell for me. I'm bi polar and still going down just started every other day on 1\2 mg. I knew it was going to be hard for me mentally so I set up counseling and a psychiatrist. Unfortunately the facility sucks and I can't even get an appointment or them on the phone. So if you are mentally ill I recommend having something set up with good doctors. I've never been so up and down mentally in my life. I'm over ready to be stable again but I refuse to go back up. Good luck guys this is the hardest road Ive ever taken. I wish there was an on call person for people coming down.
8 days free after 10 years of subs...ugh.
I'm coming off of 24 mg suboxone , down to 8 mg been 2mg cut every two weeks sometimes a little longer feel a bit flu like and a bit off 3-2 days every second week, my body doesn't notice the difference until 10 days afterwards, I deadlifted 190 kg for reps this morning didn't want to do it glad I did, I was 57 years a month ago, gave up meat 2 months ago dropped 9 kilos , going down to 6 mgs on thursday so the challenge is see if I can do 192.5 kilo dead lift next fornight , only weigh 90 kilos 5"6" , not boasting this is how I chose to do it , I just had my first visit with a psychologist 2 hours ago just going to get her to monitor how I go getting to the pointy end now so I may need some help may not but can't hurt. I tried another psychologist 3 weeks ago wasn't a good fit , that happens no hard feelings just get on with it.
Sounds like you've got a good plan and a solid foundation for making the adjustments you need. Thanks for sharing your story. It will inspire others to work hard and keep at it. Stay strong!
@@dr.chrispark thank you Dr yeah, I gave up smoking 80 cigarettes on Janu 17th 1994 at 2 pm , but who's counting hey? I used to drink and went to a rehab here in Adelaide Australia in 2011 for 7 months I don't even think about drinking now just not an option , cognitive behavior therapy it worked for me , a lot of people bag it and say bad things , others do the rooms, like AA or NA , but I have found living honestly , in my dealings with others and especially myself , don't think it's all about me but I need to call others on their bad behavior or when they encroach on my boundaries, but not beating myself up is important and holding myself to a higher account is important. Sorry Dr going off into the weeds a bit there, thank you for your professionalism and understanding , I would like to say CBT therapy worked for me and some people may not be as receptive to it as myself it's hard but it works , others may find the rooms work , but again Dr Chris thank you.
I have taken them for two months, started at eight, weaned down to 1 to 3 mg a day for the last month, what kind of symptoms and timeline am I theoretically looking at? I’m at day two and I feel OK
My first time withdrawing off suboxone I was taking 32 mgs for a year than all of a sudden my doctor up and quite so I dealt with horrible and I mean HORRIBLE w/d for 18 days. Its was the worst time in my life. I stared taking my aunts tramadol just to feel better than a couple months later I had w/d from the trams. It was def unexpected. I was getting brain zaps and all. I honestly thought I was gonna die in that time period. Needless to say i'm back on the subs and taking 8 to 12 mg a day and I would love to taper off. I've mentioned it to my doc and he seems to think I need this for the rest of my life. I truly think he doesn't know anything about tapering off suboxone. You seem like you generally care about your patients so I would love some advice or a detail plan on tapering. I'm ready to start getting off this crutch and be free of pharmaceutical drugs all together!!!
Meagan Renee Holy Cow! Stopping from 32mg/day is brutal. Glad you’re doing better now and getting by on lower dose. If I had a patient that was taking 8 to 12mg, I’d have them start by just getting to 8mg every day for a month. See how they felt and then either keep them on that dose another month or cut back slightly. The next step would be to go to 6mg/day or try the alternating schedule I discuss on my 16wk taper video. Each step down depends on how well you’re feeling on current dose. Keep your momentum, motivation, and positive mindset and you’ll be able to do this!
@@dr.chrispark Thank you I think that was the best advice I've gotten yet! I'm gonna check out your video and start my taper! I just really hope I can keep a positive mindset and my sanity when it's all said and done!
tramadol doesn't withdrawl FYI! it is nearly nothing... it is almost identical to an advil. at 32mg of subxone you would need to take 1000 tramadol.
reading some of these comments wow did your doctors go to school? I was taking eight 80mg Oxy pills a day for 5 years habbit, and when I went on subox I only needed a 8mg pill a day.
You're such a small lady such as myself. Your doc had u on 32mg a day?? That's a lot! I'm only on 8mg a day
I love your videos. I got on suboxone on my own thru a friend and now I’ve tapered to 1mg and ended up in a situation where I just want this shit behind me. Everyone in videos says doctor this and doctor that but I don’t have insurance and I get too much anxiety with a doctor. I’m currently a day and a half without suboxone and I’m only experiencing very minimal withdrawals. I’m just curious as to when the withdrawals are supposed to kick in. When I was on dope it was pretty much 18 hours and I was in full blown withdrawals. I know suboxone stays in your system longer and I know the feeling when you think your in the clear and then BOOM it hits. I’m just curious if you can give me some insight.
Anthony Boehler Usually around 48hrs. Some people do okay jumping off at 1mg and some need to get lower. Hopefully this will be a smooth transition and you’re past the worst of it. Good luck ✌🏽
Dr. Chris Park so Wednesday will mark 3 weeks off suboxone. I feel great but I have one issue that won’t seem to reset itself and that’s my sleep. I’ve been dealing with horrible insomnia for 3 weeks. To the point it’s becoming way to much. In the beginning I wouldn’t sleep at all and would finally sleep for a few hours at around 6am. But for about 2 weeks now I’ll fall asleep around 11pm but I will wake up at 3am and be up until 11pm again. The only times I’ve gotten more than 7 hours is once a week when I’m so mentally exhausted I shut down. I can’t sleep more than 3 hours a day and it’s taking a toll. When will this reset? I know everything takes time. Any info will help. Thank you.
Doctor I have a very important question. I drink two cups of strong coffee after I take my 8mg suboxone dose in the morning about 4am and I notice around 10AM I feel bad. No full withdrawal just the burning sick sensation in my flesh. I notice if I cut 3mg of of another strip it goes away and I feel soothed. Do you think its the coffee pushing out the suboxone early. Note: I know ur gonna tell me not to take an extra 3mg and I promise I only did it a few times when I had a high paying cleaning gig to accomplish, lol. Please and thank you good looking 🤭🤭🙏🏾🙏🏾And seriously may God truly bless you and ur family ten fold🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💛🌞
That’s interesting. How long have you been on this dose? What’s your total daily dose? And do you drink any more coffee?
Let's grow together A couple of ideas, but keep in mind I’m not your doctor so talk to them before changing anything. I have noticed in some people when dieting and losing weight they might need a higher dose for a short time. Or might need more carbs. The doctor that idea is to split your dose and take 6mg in morning then another 2mg later when you start to feel you need it. Keep up the great work 👍
Also, I appreciate the sentiment. No money is needed. Just keep spreading love and hope. God bless ✌🏻
I was on 24 mgs for 9 years and all of a sudden I got a call the day before my appointment telling me that the company was closing. This was 2 years ago and I am still suffering severe withdrawals. I have not used any opiates
Acute W/D's still after two years? Or just the post acute items like depression and anxiety? Do you sleep at night without the restlessness? I'm just curious. That would be horrid to deal with for two years man!
Some times I sleep a good 6 hour night but most of the time I sleep very little @@TacoAnnihilatorx
@@TacoAnnihilatorx Most of it is due to untreated chronic pain
@@johnwolf4447 Do you still get restless legs and bad anxiety? Or is your chronic pain already precipitating these symptoms?
I am an older male so anxiety is not that much of an issue anymore @@TacoAnnihilatorx
Been thinking about coming off 8mg daily just wanna make sure I'm in the correct mindset to do so. Thanks for the video!
Is it normal after about 8 days of being off subs, for your pupils to be different, like one bigger than the other, and high sensitivity to light? Also,...how long should you expect diarrhea, or not being able to eat?
It's bad, be ready for it.
Took a year to feel normal. 10 year habit
Omg! I’m dreading it I swear! I’m on my last 2mg and scared coz I’m already feeling rough 🚨
Stephen Tumlin how are you feeling now❤️❤️❤️
Stephen Tumlin sorry I don’t know how I missed your comment. Yes you are so right, I done it before, and it took me 4 days to fully feel it but on a 5th day I went back on a prescription so I don’t really know what it’s really like after that, and that was a rapid detox, I haven’t been on it for long at all ❤️
Stephen Tumlin I’m glad to hear is not as bad as full blown “on the floor” kind of feeling 😊 and I think you are doing just amazing!! Well done. So my detox will go like this, it starts on the 29th(Monday) on 2 ml, I think by Wednesday I will be on nothing, but still will have to go in to my drug services, would see a nurse every day, will get some medication to help with withdrawals too, but I’m such a baby. I noticed with subutex, I get constant goosebumps I wonder if there’s anything I can do about it 😊
Hey doctor... I need to write and let everyone know how right you are where Kratom is concerned. I jumped off at 2mg of Subutex this last Sept 2nd. I know this is a pretty high dose. I just couldn't get the pills cut smaller. And if course, after 20 years being in opiates the withdrawals were insane. After four days I got some Kratom to take just to help me through the acute withdrawal phase. Long story short is in an earlier post you advised against taking Kratom and I should have listened. I am about 36 hours in from taking no Kratom and the withdrawals are hell. You advised against using Kratom as a tool for withdrawal. I wish I would have listened to your well placed advice.
Kratom is very hard to stop.
I’m actually in a sub program because of kratom, I was told it was non addictive and it would be safer to take while I was pregnant than my prescription for Percocet. I have bulging discs in my lower back from a weight lifting accident. And I kept upping my dose and well, baby came out with opioid like withdrawals and I was accused of abusing drugs, which they ran all the test but it was humiliating Non the less, because I already held so much guilt on what I did to my child but then to be shamed for something I didn’t do didn’t help me or him, but I wanted to get off it and I had severe withdrawals, they put me on subs and when I tried to taper down they told me it was too early, 7 months later and I’m down only 1 of my 3 pill alotted daily. I feel like a failure. Kratom ruined my life
@@noodiehunter4408 I have since went back on Suboxone and trying to taper down. I thought Kratom was the answer as its helped many people. I didn't help me. I am so sorry about your circumstances. That is a sad sad story for sure.
Dr... A question...
Does the length of time one is on Suboxone or Subutex directly effect how long the acute withdrawal symptoms will last!?? I was on Suboxone and then Subutex for 15 years straight. Painkillers for 3-4 prior to that. Is it a medical certainty that I will be in this acute phase longer!? I am two weeks clean today. Even with Kratom my legs are still running marathons at night. I had to jump off at 2mg as I couldn't break up the pills any smaller. Any insight!??
My general rule of thumb is you'll start feeling 50% better every week after the first 2-3wks. This is not scientific though. Just my observation. And effects seem to be more due to rapidity of taper and/or jumping off point. You're at 2weeks so this is a good benchmark. Things should start getting better. I don't recommend Kratom. It's an opiate so, you could still technically have some withdrawal due to it (I know plenty will disagree with me on that). Good luck brother and keep pushing forward!
@@dr.chrispark Wow... Thank you Dr for the quick response. Believe me when I tell you that I was very reticent about the Kratom. I did a great amount of research and after day three almost killing me I gave it a try. It has been very helpful. I'm only going to take it for maybe one more week. It can't have much of a lingering effect with only taking it for three weeks. I pray you are correct about my being on the backside of the acute withdrawal symptoms. I pray I can sleep at some point!!!
Thank you once again... For all you do sir.
Jeff Legg kratom doesn’t allow you to withdraw as it’s an opiate so it is putting off your recovery
On May 22 it will be five yrs that I have been on suboxone . I am now tapering down, if I do the tapering down slowly over several weeks to the point that I am taking 1 mg , will I feel any withdrawal???
Having been in withdrawal to many times to count , I know exactly how desperately horrific it feels and my hope is to never feel it again. After 5 yrs on suboxone, I have not had any relapses . I have been places where I know there are large amounts of narcotic painkillers that I could easily snatch with no one noticing but I simply don’t care, I don’t crave the high at all, my fear is that I don’t crave the high because I’m taking soboxone so when I’m finally off it , will I crave the high??
That's a great question and it's one reason a lot of people stay on Suboxone for long periods of time. There's no way to know if you'll have serious cravings again until you're at that point. The best thing to do is prepare all the other ways: exercise, sleep well, good nutrition, GOOD COUNSELING. And then you'll be better prepared to handle unforeseen circumstances. I've also had some patients that were off meds but then thought they were going to relapse so they went back on Suboxone. As far as the taper goes, some people have withdrawal as low as 0.25mg and some people feel fine. My patients seem to do better with the low and slow approach. I try to get them to as low a dose as possible with alternating doses sometimes and/or skipping days at times to get a feel for when withdrawal (if any) kicks in.
Yeah you will have withdrawals sometimes I feel like you change one addiction for another one specially that you been taking suboxone for a long time ..good luck
@@saulprehus7974 Yes the taper process can be very difficult, especially like you said...if you've been on Suboxone for a long time. Just remember there's a difference between dependence and addiction. Taking a medicine because you have severe withdrawals is not the same as using drugs, ruining relationships, destroying your health, and breaking yourself financially.
TM L I need to talk to my family dr about that because my son takes clonidine for an important reason so if it is something that will help I want her prescribe it to me . I don’t want to be in withdrawal and not have it and get to the point that I want to die and end up taking my sons. It is horrifying what addiction can make a really good person do.
Please don’t drop the ball with any of your patients. My doctor just messed up and I need a dose but my script has not hit the cvs yet. Please make sure there’s always some one who can sign off on meds.
I know this is going to sound a little illegal but if you're an exopioid addict you know people who sell Suboxone just buy like four extra off someone and keep them in case of emergency. I always keep four extra Suboxone in my gun case other than my script so I know I always have some. I was just giving you an idea so you know.
Many have claimed it to be the worst withdrawal know to man!
With Suboxone. (Is that Subutex?) I'd say with Suboxone ... WRONG! To me at least. Thank you so much, Doc for this video. I "Tapered" off WITH my pain Doc for 1 year. So excited to get off it! On Jan. 13th, 2022 i took my last little TINY sliver (I Almost couldn't see it). I woke up Sat. the 15th in a full-blown withdrawal! It's been pretty hellish since. I'm on day 21. Feel a bit better. I mean "a bit". Yawning constantly, black diarrhea, sweating, tingling everywhere, and ZERO energy. I understand we are ALL different. But, good God this sucks! Staying as positive as I can. Thank you again, Dr. Chris. :)
I've been on suboxone for about 3 years and I dont have a script I buy it from a "friend" I take about a half sometimes a little more of an 8mg tablet daily. I take it because it helps tremendously with my depression and suicidal thoughts. How bad do you think the withdrawal would be?
RSS diamond Depends how well you taper. I strongly recommend you see a doc and get the depression regulated.
I have a question, I was reading that the sub withdrawal is the worst in the first 72 hrs like I imagined since the heroine and fentanyl were always the worst in those first 3 days. I’m on Suboxone now and have been for 4 years. I was at 24mg a day after only a few months, and now for about the last 3/4 of the year I have been on 28mg. I wanted to see how bad it would be so I thought I would just not take any for as long as I can until I couldn’t stand it and then I would. I get weekly carries now for being clean so long so I only go in once a week to pick up my doses for the week. I last took mine on Thursday morning at about 8:45, and it’s now Sunday night at midnight. I haven’t hardly had much withdrawals tho and I’m wondering if it’s cause of how high my dose is and the naloxone has maybe countered the effects of it for a while which is why I feel like it hasn’t helped me much over these last years in terms of body aches and feeling good enough to do much, or if it’s just cause it’s a high dose and it hasn’t all completely left my system. Today I was feeling slight withdrawals like the chills then sweats from one second to the next, yawning a lot, runny nose and sneezing, and I’d say slightly more body aches, but I’ve been able to sleep and eat, I haven’t been super restless or bouncing my legs through the ceiling, so I’m a little confused as I figured by now I’d be throwing up everything I eat and shitting a waterfall out me arse. If anyone else has experienced this could you let me know if it’s just cause it’s not all out of my system and that I may feel really sick in the next day or so, or if the naloxone has countered it all these yrs. I heard that the naloxone is only in it to prevent people shooting it and that it doesn’t do anything when ingested/ dissolved under tongue. Also I will add that I have been quite constipated for several weeks, so I haven’t passed much of it out of my system that way, but I know if the sickness is coming that will pass very quickly lol. Also I was told when I started the program that 24mg was the max dose, and I was reading about heavy users who only took 8-12 mg a day and it worked wonders, and here I was at 24mg after only 4 months on the program, and now at 28mg.
UPDATE:
It’s now 3:45 the next day, I’ve now gone 79hrs without the suboxone and my symptoms have stayed about the same. I was able to go to the bathroom this morning, and I’m sure by now it’s all out of my system. I had a pretty shitty sleep tho, waking up every few hrs cause my back had that restless feeling in it you get from withdrawal. But I’m now convinced that the higher the dose, the naloxone cancels out the bupe, cause this is crazy... I used to withdrawal so bad from the fentanyl and heroine, and I see people in here saying the sub withdrawal can be worse, but here I am 79 hrs without it and have very mild to barely any withdrawal symptoms. The chills and sweats are getting annoying and I’m still slightly restless, but it’s not to the point I’m laying on the ground bouncing or kicking my legs around. I have been able to eat as well. I was havin some stomach cramps earlier and felt like I was going to shit myself but it was just mostly gas. I’m probably going to take an 8mg here to get rid of the sweats and chills cause they’re annoying, but definitely going to tell my dr about this cause I’m really surprised at how well I feel for just stopping 28mg for 3 n a half days now cold turkey.
Buprenorphine definitely wouldn't be out of your system in 79 hours, but withdrawal is different for everyone. Some have it easier than others. What did you end up doing? Have you stayed off the Suboxone?
iNdiA_ Daws0n no I just took my regular dose that night. Like the sweats and slight chills we’re getting kind of annoying, yawning like every 30 seconds and eyes watering a lot also was annoying. I dunno maybe if I waited till the next day it would’ve been really bad like it was coming off fentanyl and heroin. But I mean I usually don’t take my whole dose cause I don’t really need it. I end up with so many extra 8mg and 2mg pills when I go pick up my weeks worth every Thursday. Next visit with my dr I’m probably going to talk about starting to come down to get off it.
But what if you been tapering for four years and you’ve been sitting at 1 mg a day for two years. Because I’ve been doing that forever and when I stop taking it I get very sick it’s not like I wake up and say everything’s gonna be good my head is absolutely splitting wide open my eyes my nose start watering and then all the stomach problems. On top of that this medicine Strips testosterone and potassium from your body they had to put me on testosterone treatment because my testosterone levels dropped super low and I have to be very careful about my potassium. All these things combined makes it really hard to get off of this stuff especially if you’ve been taking it for so long what is your advice
James Hopkins If one of my patients can’t stop at 1mg (and most can’t), I have them continue tapering. I have them alternate 1mg and 0.5 mg every other day. Maybe for a few months or maybe several. Then down to 0.5mg daily. Several months later, we try spreading out the dose from every 24hrs to every 30hrs. Then once stable, every 36hrs, etc. just an example. Talk to your doc about what might be your best approach
I’m hopefully starting my suboxone wean soon. I just created a new channel to document it and my recovery journey. Hopefully all goes well. My biggest fear is you never know how your provider is going to recommend you taper. She could have a fast taper in mind, and if that’s the case, I think I’ll need to do it on my own. It’s scary.
Ritalin is the solution for every addiction except porn addiction! I am addicted specialist and I believe Suboxone is for withdraw symptoms only!
Hey Doc! Have you heard of lucemyra ? This is the first non opiate med to combat and reduce withdrawal symptoms. It sounds promising and exciting.
Jamey Summers Yes I have. I’ll probably do a video on it in future. It’s for Acute withdrawals and not for extended therapy or maintenance treatment. It is similar to clonidine which we’ve been using for years
@@dr.chrispark Sounds great! Thank you for these videos!
@@dr.chrispark Clonidine makes me super tired and sometimes gives me a bloody nose. It also does nothing to curb W/D for me anyway. Have you ever had a person tell you clonidine helped them through the acute phase?
Bloodbath1046 I’ve never used it solely. Always in addition with other meds. I think it’s usefulness is just to help take a slight edge off for folks determined to battle through acute withdrawal without medication assistance (i.e. opiate agonist)
@@dr.chrispark That makes sense. I believe I did get a few other meds with it as well.
It's not that hard coming off the strips I cut them in half and used a little bit of kava and kratom to help the with drawls exercise tened to help too and the less I thought about it the better I felt
@Stephen Tumlin Well said Stephen. So True. Made my choice to get off starting Monday after 6 years. Ugh just the $ I spend monthly from scripts & Drs.
Kratom is a miracle for the pain .. it attaches itself to your receptors and keeps you at bay ..
If you want it .... you'll get there ...
I suggest kratom to anyone coming off of opiates....
can't take kratom while you're on sub is an antagonist
i myself got so sick doing so
@Stephen Tumlin you said you want to be able to FEEL emotions again - dude I'm in the exact same boat. I was explaining this to my wife the other day. I don't get excited, I don't feel great, I don't laugh anymore, but I don't feel bad either...I'm just comfortably numb when on subs. I'm now down to 4mg and starting to have tiny little spurts of emotions now and then which is very encouraging. I've been numb for 10 years.
Dr park would you suggest using suboxone to come off methadone. I used it for 2 weeks to get off pills and h, but I know methadone is a different monster to come off of. I'm trying to come down I've came down to 70 from 140 a day but I'm stuck and I want to be clean again I had 6 month clean off opiates and got another injury got scared and let a friend talk me into methadone which was a life saver at the time. But 5 years later I feel trapped and I no longer need opiates for pain for the injuries of my youth, and I want to be free to live again. I'm a truck driver by trade and can't go where the money is because I have to be near home since I'm shackled to the clinic. Help me find the right direction to my freedom again. It's the fear of the unknown that keeps me chained to this lifestyle.
Ps. To the guys that will try to tell me it's my choice I'm here I know it's my fault for abusing my medication and other drugs and going down this path. I need direction how to find my way out, not to be told it's my fault I'm here.
Hi... I m on day 41 on 0 mg after stopping to take subs from a high dose...
I think I got some paws, I still got an RLS at night that won’t let me sleep trough,
I took different kinds of medication like dominal or Zopiclon, both couldn’t help... a few days ago I was reading that cbd oil could help with RLS.
I took some, and for last 2 day I was sleeping much better, I still awake 3 am as all the time, but my legs don’t shake and then I can find sleep again...
do you have some experience about CBD oil?
Thank s for ur work...
can you take suboxone for tramadol withdrawal ?? would it cause serontonin syndrome or anything ?___ I am a 58 yrs old RN nurse, i have chronic back pain, hernaited disc, scoliosis, osteo arthritis etc... 14 years !!! on tramadol, 50mg 3x a day, the first week going to only 2 pills per day WAS HELL !!!! PANIC ATTACKS, sweating, insomnia, diarrhea,my eye was twitching, my BP was high, had to increase my BP meds, got RX FOR ATIVAN for the panic attacks, but i worry about pain when i finished detoxing ?? i was prescribed gabapentin, which works but makes me feel really tired sometimes, i also have flexeril___i was thinking about EFFEXOR anti depressant for pain ?? i heard horror stories about side effects of CYMBALTA anti depressent for pain____I CANNOT TAKE NSAIDs, THEY UPSET MY STOMACHE, ONE MADE ME VOMIT
what should i do ? try suboxone
Hey Dr. Park! I cant find my comment on here where you left the number to the office. I called though and left my name and number about a week ago. Going into surgery today and still have a couple questions... I've been on suboxone. My dr switched me to subutex for a week. Then I have to switch back to suboxone. If I have to take pain medication, can I take it while taking my regular dose of subutex? I doubt I'll need the pain medicine for long, if at all but want to be prepared if I do need it.
Jenna Talia Current recommendations are leaning towards taking the pain meds if necessary while on subutex. Could make you nauseated or be less effective. My preferred method is increasing the subutex for pain control after surgery instead of taking opiates. This seems to work best for my patients for the days following the surgery. Make sure you consult with your doc before making any changes though. Good luck!
@@dr.chrispark ok thank you so much!
I found it hard to discipline myself to taper
@Dr. Acula watch taking kratom also . If you take to much it will do the same thing as far as addicted. I have a buddy an he quit subs but he now has to take kratom everyday . I'm like uhh not what I want to do bud you really didn't get off anything.
I couldn't taper im the type of person that has to just quit !!! No pain no gain
Thank you brotha.i needed that honesty.
do anybody has bad stomach cramps and your bones aching so bad after 5-8 days of Subutex withdrawals why is that I'm going insane please help
Same Bro but be stong and proud
Did u make it?
I've been on 12mg 2x a day for 5 years. I tapered down to 6mg to 12mg a day for 1yr. I cold Turkey 15 days and I feel like I'm dying. I've been eating pain pills when i can find them, anxiety pill last night so I could sleep with the rls. When will it go away.
Update, please? How are you feeling.
dude even jumping off at 1mg is torture much less 6. get some CBD isolate maybe it will half the pain and then take kratom with it and maybe some lyrica you should be OK with at least 2 out of the 3
Suboxone was the best thing that happened to me !! It saved my life with the right goal in place and a medical team ! Just like you said the first time you take it you have to let your body go through withdrawls atleast 12 hours after you last used. Started with 16 mg a day now currently at 2mg ! Started 7 months ago and cant wait to be in the finish line. And I know I will face withdrawls etc but it's something I've accepted I rather withdrawl 3 days get it over with and move on with my life then ever going back to opiates
Wow! You’ve done a great job in a short time. Stay strong 🤘🏽
Just got out of hospital was on 8mg Subutex every morning at 9. Seraquil, zyprexa, 1 my klonopin, kicked out of Scripps Mercy hospital no meds take home. Kicked to street. Why and what to expect? Please answer. Thanks.
I have been taking 0.5mg to .25mg of suboxone in the morning and evening, for about roughly a year. What are your recommendations for come off completly. Will my body go through withdrawal badly if I just stop? Thank you for all your videos. I have been researching for hours, then found you. I think I am finally going to be able to do this now. Thank you for what you do Dr. Park!!!
Chelsea Flowers My recent video may help with this. Good luck 👍
I have been on 8mg of suboxone for 65 days. Do I need to do a long taper?.what do you recommend. Please help, I am scared of not being able to go to work.
What about a street doctor, can he coach me stepping down? Maybe someone who went through med school and then committed a few felonies and got his MD revoked.
Is that the person I should be talking to?
Jumping off. 25 is the same as jumping off 2mg or maybe more, iwas off it for 3 days and i took the smallest crumb and was high af and so much energy it was just as powerful as if i took a 8mg , suboxone so weird
Andrew Cordova Yeah it’s crazy how different people have such different effects
Omg same with me there are times I tell myself I’m jumping off and only take a baby piece to start my taper and sometimes that’s all I need last week I was taking 8mg faithfully the last couple days only 2mg a day suboxone plays games with you it’s a dangerous drug smh
Really? Not for me. Coming off .25 mg a day was easy for me. I was on .25 for a full month and coming off was like nothing.
You got high off a small crumb? Suboxone didn’t even get me high at all, it just gave me a feeling if well being and made me feel normal. Maybe subs aren’t for you.
So true. I kept reading comments on different forums of people saying with Suboxone "Little is more with Suboxone" now I get it. Same thing here. I noticed if I take a smaller amount then normal, I get so amped my vision even goes whacko. I literally will feel like my bones are gonna jump out of my body. I totally get it.
Btw. I've been on same dose of suboxone for 6 years. 1 strip a day cut in half. I'm trying to taper but the less I take the more f'd up I get.
Is there any good medical reason why I’ve been in Suboxone since 2009-2010. I tapered my dose down to 1 g from 16mg. I came into a very stressful time in my life and was dealing with a ton of anxiety and overwhelming feelings. When I told my dr about this all he did was increase my dose back to 16mg from 1mg and said if I’m still Feeling anxiety take an extra suboxone. He said because Benzo’s don’t mix well With the Suboxone all he could do Was increase my dose?! I’m now on 24mg and was so close to tapering off. Very frustrated at this point
Day 5 please help. No sleep. Haven’t been able to sit still or get comfortable since it started. Please kill me
Jklopoppcorn You can get through it!! What dose were you on when you jumped off?
@@dr.chrispark hi . I am on 8 mg a day off the street and I've been clean from heroin for 3 weeks now. I cut it into pieces through out the day. I have only 4 strips left and don't plan on getting more . Do you think I'll suffer much if I start tapering down now ?
Hey I'm from Tupelo ms where's your clinic what insurance you take?
Ashunti Arp Call 662-322-0996 for info
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www.1ststepmedical.com
i just stopped altogether cause i'm sick & tired of it doesn't do anything for me just got me addicted now i'm so miserable
i didn't taper at all from 6-7 mg.
arulaful how’s it go?
Keep up the great work
Dude, please don't tell people they aren't going to have any of very little withdrawal if they taper.
This is just not true. I've detoxed off subs twice now.
This second time I weaned down to pencil head micro doses and the wds are still a B.
Yes, I believe they have been less intense this last go around, but I ain't going to b.s nobody and set them up for failure by pretending they a walk in the park when they simply aren't.
Conversely, I don't won't to scare anyone either. You CAN 100% do the detox.
It's definitely doable, but it's going to be uncomfortable for a couple weeks min.
Do your research for comfort meds and when you have made up your mind and have the time you CAN do the detox.
I have done it both ways, cold turkey and by weaning down.
I'm not a doctor, but I can share my experience and hope. Just comment and I do my best to give details from my experiences and what helped me most. Knowing what to expect this last detox made the seemingly hopeless days seem far less hopeless.
Started on 16mg 2 years ago, down to 4mg atm.....
I didn’t suffer any withdrawal doing this. But I will say I reckon I was on too much to begin with probably twice as much as needed
Try coming off the four mgs and welcome to hell!
so a week after rehab I had overdosed so I wanted to be on Suboxone maintenance I've been on 6mg for 2 months now and ready to stop do you think I'll need to ween myself or do you think I can just quit cold turkey cuz of the short amount of time I've been on it? Thanks
travis powell I never recommend quitting cold turkey. Always taper
Hey Doc How can I find a good doc like you I live in Toledo Ohio and it sucks just wondering if you knew any in my area thank you
Tomorrow will be my 1st day off subs. I've only been taking an 1/8th of a 8mg strip each morning for about 5 mths but now I'm out and I'm not buying no more? However, I plan to smoke me a lot of weed if necessary. Do you guys think this will help?
When I was coming off Subutex Dr Park's videos helped me alot I agree with everything he says, you need to taper down guys, it's very hard to come off it , cold Turkey from 16mg or even 8mg a day you will not tolerate it after 3 or 4 days you'll relapse Taper down to 1mg a day it's easy enough give your body time to adjust (small doses works as good as big doses with buprenorphine) then when you ready take 1mg every other day that's when you know you are ready to jump off , remember, No pain No gain but it's a small pain nothing you cant tolerate.
That was my big mistake I did not taper at all I egotistical e just said okay I know it's going to be shity for a week maybe 10 days but I can handle this ... boy was I wrong