@@nosyamthegreat8768 Yeah, everyone calls it the Nykthos for creatures but Nykthos seems much easier to exploit. Seems like it might do well with rabbits, since if you have four rabbits you're just getting started. But then what are rabbits ramping into?
“Draw two or win the game with lethal on board? Better draw two to fuel the engine in case opponent draws an answer next turn.”- Seth I love watching Seth, and he’s a better Magic player than I am so this critique is light hearted, but the man will always choose to draw cards over any other game action every time even when it’s not a good play. At least this deck has a win condition in mightcaller.
the frog engine utilizes so many core functions of the game (drawing cards, adding counters, creatures entering, slowing down the opponent) that I can't imagine it not being a strong tribe in older formats going forwards. So many effects crack the deck wide open
@@abigaylegeisel me too, but it's kind of hard to get a good draft because you need to balance around so many things and need good construction, but pollywalop and splash portal definetly carry. I would say not to jump on it unless you have a good frog rare or simic is wide open in your pool, but if you can, its a very good deck. I even played a gruul and golgari deck with heavy frog leanients because of how good support they have.
@julianfacundocalabrese1176 I had good luck for sure but I had one or two people scoop to just replaying pond prophet every turn by using other commons to put it back in my hand
My one problem with this deck is that it's effectively a Bloomburrow limited deck with better mana and some more sideboard options. I'd be curious to see what a "Frog" deck would look like that wasn't locked into just playing frogs by Clement and Three Tree City. Also, kinda unrelated, I'm a little sad that they didn't reprint Croaking Counterpart in Bloomburrow. I know that it being a gold flashback card outside of Dimir's self-mill theme meant that it was unlikely, but still.
I added Froghemoth, Spore Frog and Pollywog Prodigy and some non-Bloomburrow instants/enchantmemts etc. Once I get it, The Ozolith comboed with Twenty-Toed Toad is a game ender. Frogs only my guy. Also, turn people's stuff into frogs for added fun. Plague of Frogs
Put mockingbird in this deck. When it pops, it pops. And having evasion to get in helps a bit when you're not able to grind up a mightcaller. Also having their 'best' thing sometimes helps. Like a Sheoldred that gains you life with all those prophets.
I would guess that the auto-sideboarding is a feature for Sparky or for new players to give them the option to have Arena do the sideboarding for them. It's probably not supposed to be active yet, but they pushed it to prod because you have to call the function to make it work, and they commented out all the places where they call the function... except that one that they missed buried down some branching logic that only happens during some specific circumstances. I'm not saying that I've done something like this before, but I'm also not saying that I haven't not done something like that before.
It's just a bug that copies your previous sideboard decision. Absolute mess when you switch decks and your sideboard shows your previous deck so you can't sideboard at all, and sideboarding goes to time because you can't submit a legal sideboard change.
Dreamdew can tap itself, which makes it even more like a Mulldrifter that's more expensive but you can then bounce or flicker it to cancel the stun counters. You can also decline the Mistbreath Elder trigger to bounce nothing if it's alone. It can put you in a tough spot with other creatures, though.
7:22 they missed the window to pump with Seedcore, it's no longer a 1/1. Or what am I missing? 20:26 early scoop? you trade with the Singer, end up on 6 poison and will have 3 creatures against 3 attackers next turn. Probably lose anyway but seems to be it definitely wasn't hopeless
Me: plays any kind of creature based deck and ends up playing against 5 straight sunfall decks. Seth: plays a creature based deck all video and doesn't run into a single sunfall deck. Grrrr grumble grumble
Frogs almost 3-0d at standard at my game store last night! It was sweet to see, but someone's Gruul Stompy deck was able to take the last match off them.
I feel like he sacrificed his frogs to block a few too many times when he didn't have to, just because it was going to be a big chunk of damage. Frogs need their creatures to pop off, so it kinda feels like he took the safe but sure to lose plan over the one that was going to end faster, one way or another.
I love my Frog Deck...love it. Mistbreath Elder is just such a fun engine for it too. I'm just honest-to-god ticked at how 75% of my Arena "experience" now is either someone using Black/White bats, Black/White Discard or Mono-Black Discard. I don't play Standard anymore on Arena....and that toxic garbage is why.
@@Mccheddah I just did an hour on Arena, went 2-10, and all but one game the person was using Black Mana as a main combat source. They need to do some major adjustments to what Black Mana can do. It's totally out of hand. I also made a Grull-based Racoon deck and it's fun. I can't enjoy half of it because 90% of my game experience is someone hiding behind an Ashiok/Lilliana/Ajani (no idea why there) avatar spam-casting 1-2 black mana discard and 2-3 black mana kill spells, but when I get to actually play, it's fun.
@@Mccheddah Yeah, as an update. Around 50 games today....I've only faced two people that aren't using black mana. You can't tell me there isn't a massive power imbalance when it feels like "if you don't use black mana and the spell "Fell", you are at a tremendous disadvantage. What's the point of playing anything but my mono-black deck that is nothing but Sheoldred, a few cheap black blockers, and 30 kill spells?
5:40 - It'd be an alternative win condition, but considering how many of the frog engine targets your own stuff, having Venerated Rotpriest in play on your side might be useful. In that game Seth targeted his own stuff more than 10 times, which is enough for Venerated Rotpriest to win the game.
G1: Seth doesn't know what dour port mage does at all. G3: "I want to leave up the option to block and bounce" -- EDIT: Seth doesn't know how any of the frogs actually work. I still love all the content, keep up the good work - it's all fun at the end of the day.
A great addition to any frog deck is Saiba Cryptomancer, as it provides a hexproof AND a +1/+1 AND it's flash, so you can play it at the end of those turns you don't do anything I also really like Stocking the Pantry, though it may not be as helpful in this version. Here is the version I run in Best of 1 that is very fast and focuses on Mistbreath Elder, ironically, so a very different take: Deck 7 Forest (DMU) 274 4 Sunshower Druid (BLB) 195 4 Mistbreath Elder (BLB) 184 4 Cosmic Hunger (MOM) 182 2 Ozolith, the Shattered Spire (MOM) 198 3 Island (DMU) 265 4 This Town Ain't Big Enough (OTJ) 74 4 Saiba Cryptomancer (MOM) 76 4 Stocking the Pantry (BLB) 194 4 Botanical Sanctum (OTJ) 267 4 Yavimaya Coast (DMU) 261 2 Cavern of Souls (LCI) 269 4 Hunter's Talent (BLB) 179 4 Repulsive Mutation (MKM) 227 2 Fountainport (BLB) 253 4 Valley Mightcaller (BLB) 202
frogs are really good in a lot of formats. ended up in a draw with an infinite frog commander deck that made infinite mana with peregrine drake and lilysplash mentor, then used it to blink all of their frogs infinitely. only reason they didn’t win was summoning sickness and me being able to wrath on my turn
Storm the Seedcore seems to be a sleeper in toxic decks. It can win you the game at times, where it seems like you're loosing. It's a great combo piece with the Rotpriest, if you can keep that on the battlefield, while also having 3 more creatures out to target. Especially if some or all of those are also Rotpriests. But opponents are usually really quick to remove it (for good reason). Snakeskin Veil, Gaea's Gift and Unnatural Restoration are good tools to have.
I rather enjoy the playstyle of frogs in BB. During PR, i was using Mistbreath to bounce offspring cards back to hand, gaining token copies every turn. Haven't tried playing them as a tribe yet, but it looks really fun! Thank you lots for the content and entertainment 😀
36:10 I thought I was losing my mind 😭between the random auto-sideboarding taking place and the mobile-bug that prevented you from adding anything game 3 it was rough for a while there 😂
Isn't Mistbreath Elder's ability a may ability? Meaning that you don't technically have to bounce it back to your hand and can just leave it on the board?
I think the correct number of Three-Tree Cities is zero. I'm playing a Rabbit deck that has nothing but rabbits in it and often has 4 or 5 rabbits on the board by turn 4 even after my opponent has removal, and it just never seems worth it. You need 3 creatures on the board to make it break even with a normal land, and even if you have 5 creatures it's only making 2 more mana than a regular land. Standard is so fast that by the time it's generating extra mana the game is already nearing its end.
The only deck that I have found it worth it to have is goblins but it's a commander deck not standard. It's definitely made for slow games where you have a while to set up.
I was pretty low on three tree city before and after seeing it in action it just confirmed my doubts. It was useless the entire time, even detrimental when he had 2 and couldn’t make a land drop.
What you're missing to make Mistbreath Elder good is more copies of the dewdrop boy. He buys time and embiggens, you always want the dewdrop boy bouncing.
Kinda shocked this deck doesn't have Innkeeper's Talent. Feels like that card flows well with this deck by adding counters, giving protection, and LVL3 turning those stun frogs into 6 turn stuns
@@janabearden2359 Realized why I never was thinking this. I just play 60 card formats. Not much for commander so those cards rarely register with me. Def makes sense in frogs.
Ive really enjoyed playing frogs, ive built a sultai ramp frog deck that runs the gitrog monster and the dreamdew entrancer as the top end (historic, notably not standard running gitrog and sylvan tutor)
If you like chicken and you like catfish, then frog legs will be delicious to you. Majorly underrated. Tastes like chicken and has that lakey catfish aftertaste.
i think frogs will have a hard time in the meta overall, they're just so reliant on having a significant board presence in a standard with a ton of efficient removal and boardwipes, and a ton of aggressive decks that can kill before the engine gets going. we'll see how it shakes out though, i've had a great time with frogs in limited
Wait, so does Mistbreath Elder really lock you? His second part of the ability is a may. Can’t you just decline the bounce of another creature and then choose not to bounce the Elder, or is the first part mandatory, if there is a legal target? When it was first previewed, there have been so many comments claiming that the may in the end makes the whole ability optional.
The second part is a may, but the first part is not a may. If you have other creatures, you must return one; if it's your only creature, you may return it, but don't have to.
spending 6 mana to replay the one creature that doesn't grow the mightcallers which are about to close the game all to stop the OP from getting a 1/1 that can't block? Even if he DID have three poison and therefore lifelink it'd be a waste.
I got a similar idea some weeks ago in Arena. But for my irl Commander Deck I added Turn to Frog, Frogify and Polymorphist's Jest for added lols. Also Froghemoth cause why not. Clement as Commander. FROGS ONLY 😂 🐸 I call it Plague of Frogs
After watching (most) of this - the sideboard should be 100% against black decks. Sunshower should be removed from the sideboard, it does nothing. Mistbreath also does nothing. Negate is actually pretty good and overlooked.
I'm curious about why no Roaming Throne? It doubles up the triggers of all the frogs. Maybe since you wouldn't really want to bounce the Throne itself it's not worth it?
I think it just might be too slow. On turn 4 you either got your engine going and have enough value already/need to stabilize with something like dreamdew entrancer or your frogs got killed and don't synergize with the throne anymore. But that's just a guess.
It depends, if you know the opponent is running removal you save your self bounces to make them fizzle. The only thing it really struggles against is repeat board wipes.
I feel like that deck would basically end up being Muerra + Keen-Eyed Curator + Wandertale Mentor along with a bunch of cards that you can cast for 4 or more mana (X spells + spells with some kind of kicker, mostly). Raccoons don't really ask you to run other Raccoons the same way that Mice or Rabbits do.
only the self-bounce is a may. If you have another creature to bounce, you have to bounce that creature. If Mistbreath is alone, you can decline to have it bounce itself.
There's some weird echo. It sounds like one of those 90's toy WWE spring microphone. 🤷🤔or a bathroom or something. You might need headphones to hear it SaffronOlive.
“If we draw Three Tree City, we're gonna pop off.” - Seth with like ten cards in hand and a near-lethal board
Every commander player be like
Its very much a win-more card, so not a fan as some but when it goes....goddamnnn commander looking game
@@nosyamthegreat8768 Yeah, everyone calls it the Nykthos for creatures but Nykthos seems much easier to exploit. Seems like it might do well with rabbits, since if you have four rabbits you're just getting started. But then what are rabbits ramping into?
“Draw two or win the game with lethal on board? Better draw two to fuel the engine in case opponent draws an answer next turn.”- Seth
I love watching Seth, and he’s a better Magic player than I am so this critique is light hearted, but the man will always choose to draw cards over any other game action every time even when it’s not a good play. At least this deck has a win condition in mightcaller.
@@kalebprice7146 Hey, we all love a Skinner box
I never even thought how funny it is frogs like to bounce
the frog engine utilizes so many core functions of the game (drawing cards, adding counters, creatures entering, slowing down the opponent) that I can't imagine it not being a strong tribe in older formats going forwards. So many effects crack the deck wide open
Would make a good simic tribe / theme outside of big mana & drawing cards
And about time Simic had a defined niche too
I had a 7-2 draft win with frogs. It is definitely underrated
@@abigaylegeisel me too, but it's kind of hard to get a good draft because you need to balance around so many things and need good construction, but pollywalop and splash portal definetly carry. I would say not to jump on it unless you have a good frog rare or simic is wide open in your pool, but if you can, its a very good deck. I even played a gruul and golgari deck with heavy frog leanients because of how good support they have.
@julianfacundocalabrese1176 I had good luck for sure but I had one or two people scoop to just replaying pond prophet every turn by using other commons to put it back in my hand
First match makes me imagine the Phyrexians invading Bloomburrow, setting foot on Fountainport only to get repelled by a bunch of hunky frogs
What was that comic where 15 squirrels kill an Emrakul or whatever? Lmao
I really enjoy how Seth builds decks centered around the mechanics introduced in new sets and not just meta decks.
“How do we say no to tap four draw a card?” - Seth (and Jayemdae Tome enjoyers 1993-2006)
My one problem with this deck is that it's effectively a Bloomburrow limited deck with better mana and some more sideboard options. I'd be curious to see what a "Frog" deck would look like that wasn't locked into just playing frogs by Clement and Three Tree City.
Also, kinda unrelated, I'm a little sad that they didn't reprint Croaking Counterpart in Bloomburrow. I know that it being a gold flashback card outside of Dimir's self-mill theme meant that it was unlikely, but still.
The frog token with the leaf hat is unironically one of my favorite pieces of art in the entire game. So cute.
I don't see that as a problem, limitations make for more interesting deckbuilding and gameplay.
I added Froghemoth, Spore Frog and Pollywog Prodigy and some non-Bloomburrow instants/enchantmemts etc. Once I get it, The Ozolith comboed with Twenty-Toed Toad is a game ender. Frogs only my guy. Also, turn people's stuff into frogs for added fun.
Plague of Frogs
Put mockingbird in this deck. When it pops, it pops. And having evasion to get in helps a bit when you're not able to grind up a mightcaller. Also having their 'best' thing sometimes helps. Like a Sheoldred that gains you life with all those prophets.
Mocking bird goes off hard in toxic decks 😂 we got lucky the first match was old school toxic.
"And what croaks grows the Mightcaller."
I would guess that the auto-sideboarding is a feature for Sparky or for new players to give them the option to have Arena do the sideboarding for them. It's probably not supposed to be active yet, but they pushed it to prod because you have to call the function to make it work, and they commented out all the places where they call the function... except that one that they missed buried down some branching logic that only happens during some specific circumstances. I'm not saying that I've done something like this before, but I'm also not saying that I haven't not done something like that before.
It's just a bug that copies your previous sideboard decision. Absolute mess when you switch decks and your sideboard shows your previous deck so you can't sideboard at all, and sideboarding goes to time because you can't submit a legal sideboard change.
Dreamdew can tap itself, which makes it even more like a Mulldrifter that's more expensive but you can then bounce or flicker it to cancel the stun counters.
You can also decline the Mistbreath Elder trigger to bounce nothing if it's alone. It can put you in a tough spot with other creatures, though.
My brother was playing frogs and found out, running two out with nothing else on the field was kinda a self own.
Two mist breath that is.
7:22 they missed the window to pump with Seedcore, it's no longer a 1/1. Or what am I missing?
20:26 early scoop? you trade with the Singer, end up on 6 poison and will have 3 creatures against 3 attackers next turn. Probably lose anyway but seems to be it definitely wasn't hopeless
I love frogs, but having a bit of trouble listening with the echo-y mic. Is this just me or maybe there's something to help for next episode?
This was a toadally great video. I was ribbited to my seat while watching from my pad.
it is funny to see Seth surprised about running into Toxic, immediately after wotc started selling toxic as an arena precon
Me: plays any kind of creature based deck and ends up playing against 5 straight sunfall decks.
Seth: plays a creature based deck all video and doesn't run into a single sunfall deck.
Grrrr grumble grumble
The tedious games dont make the edit
@@brownout100 Ah 60-80% of the games. You're probably not wrong.
Tomer yesterday: "time equity, very mindful, very demure".
Seth: "hehe bratty frogs"
Frogs almost 3-0d at standard at my game store last night! It was sweet to see, but someone's Gruul Stompy deck was able to take the last match off them.
I feel like he sacrificed his frogs to block a few too many times when he didn't have to, just because it was going to be a big chunk of damage. Frogs need their creatures to pop off, so it kinda feels like he took the safe but sure to lose plan over the one that was going to end faster, one way or another.
I love my Frog Deck...love it. Mistbreath Elder is just such a fun engine for it too.
I'm just honest-to-god ticked at how 75% of my Arena "experience" now is either someone using Black/White bats, Black/White Discard or Mono-Black Discard.
I don't play Standard anymore on Arena....and that toxic garbage is why.
I am liking raccoons and mouses and I agree there
@@Mccheddah I just did an hour on Arena, went 2-10, and all but one game the person was using Black Mana as a main combat source. They need to do some major adjustments to what Black Mana can do. It's totally out of hand.
I also made a Grull-based Racoon deck and it's fun. I can't enjoy half of it because 90% of my game experience is someone hiding behind an Ashiok/Lilliana/Ajani (no idea why there) avatar spam-casting 1-2 black mana discard and 2-3 black mana kill spells, but when I get to actually play, it's fun.
@@Mccheddah Yeah, as an update. Around 50 games today....I've only faced two people that aren't using black mana. You can't tell me there isn't a massive power imbalance when it feels like "if you don't use black mana and the spell "Fell", you are at a tremendous disadvantage.
What's the point of playing anything but my mono-black deck that is nothing but Sheoldred, a few cheap black blockers, and 30 kill spells?
Thanks Tomer for that pun. I loved it, and then I loved it more when Seth started sputtering over it and blaming you.
15:30 :*In a booming, echoing god voice* *SUNFALL* 💀💀💀
5:23 gameplay start
Thank you
I think frogs leaping back and forth from hand to battlefield to hand to battlefield is the best flavor win MTG has had in a while.
Is Seth's audio and gameplay audio sounding very echoey to anyone else as well!
Great video and love the deck otherwise!
Thank you for the smiles this deck gave me. I love this set
I approve of this deck's mechanic that is fair and just.
The into is epic 🐸
With the card draw, I think that Proft's Eidetic Memory would be awesome in this deck.
42:05 Seth, you tapped your own entrancer.
Loved to see this deck Hopping off
5:40 - It'd be an alternative win condition, but considering how many of the frog engine targets your own stuff, having Venerated Rotpriest in play on your side might be useful.
In that game Seth targeted his own stuff more than 10 times, which is enough for Venerated Rotpriest to win the game.
Venerated cares about spells targeting not abilities
@@ricardopena7875 Are you telling me that reading the card explains the card? How dare you?!
G1: Seth doesn't know what dour port mage does at all. G3: "I want to leave up the option to block and bounce" -- EDIT: Seth doesn't know how any of the frogs actually work.
I still love all the content, keep up the good work - it's all fun at the end of the day.
A great addition to any frog deck is Saiba Cryptomancer, as it provides a hexproof AND a +1/+1 AND it's flash, so you can play it at the end of those turns you don't do anything
I also really like Stocking the Pantry, though it may not be as helpful in this version.
Here is the version I run in Best of 1 that is very fast and focuses on Mistbreath Elder, ironically, so a very different take:
Deck
7 Forest (DMU) 274
4 Sunshower Druid (BLB) 195
4 Mistbreath Elder (BLB) 184
4 Cosmic Hunger (MOM) 182
2 Ozolith, the Shattered Spire (MOM) 198
3 Island (DMU) 265
4 This Town Ain't Big Enough (OTJ) 74
4 Saiba Cryptomancer (MOM) 76
4 Stocking the Pantry (BLB) 194
4 Botanical Sanctum (OTJ) 267
4 Yavimaya Coast (DMU) 261
2 Cavern of Souls (LCI) 269
4 Hunter's Talent (BLB) 179
4 Repulsive Mutation (MKM) 227
2 Fountainport (BLB) 253
4 Valley Mightcaller (BLB) 202
Card: *exists*
Seth: This card is a legit sleeper
Lol
frogs are really good in a lot of formats. ended up in a draw with an infinite frog commander deck that made infinite mana with peregrine drake and lilysplash mentor, then used it to blink all of their frogs infinitely. only reason they didn’t win was summoning sickness and me being able to wrath on my turn
I like that Hypnotoad sound at the beginning
I don't think it is well do... ALL GLORY TO HYPNOTOAD!
Storm the Seedcore seems to be a sleeper in toxic decks. It can win you the game at times, where it seems like you're loosing. It's a great combo piece with the Rotpriest, if you can keep that on the battlefield, while also having 3 more creatures out to target. Especially if some or all of those are also Rotpriests. But opponents are usually really quick to remove it (for good reason). Snakeskin Veil, Gaea's Gift and Unnatural Restoration are good tools to have.
2018 Seth: Hit our swans draw some cards
2024 Seth: Bounce our frogs draw some cards
I rather enjoy the playstyle of frogs in BB. During PR, i was using Mistbreath to bounce offspring cards back to hand, gaining token copies every turn. Haven't tried playing them as a tribe yet, but it looks really fun!
Thank you lots for the content and entertainment 😀
I’m trying out a version of this deck with some other cards added in like Innkeeper’s Talent and Stocking the Pantry.
The ribbit-croak at the end of match 1 “that was a RRRRRRReaaally sweet frog win
36:10 I thought I was losing my mind 😭between the random auto-sideboarding taking place and the mobile-bug that prevented you from adding anything game 3 it was rough for a while there 😂
Is that the Hypno Toad sound being played over the intro?
Thanks for showing off such a fun deck.
this is close to a tournament level deck i might play this lol
Why no Splash Portal?
Isn't Mistbreath Elder's ability a may ability? Meaning that you don't technically have to bounce it back to your hand and can just leave it on the board?
Honestly at the beginning of this video I was expecting a hypnotoad reference
I'm really getting into the Saffron videos, this guy is great
I think the correct number of Three-Tree Cities is zero. I'm playing a Rabbit deck that has nothing but rabbits in it and often has 4 or 5 rabbits on the board by turn 4 even after my opponent has removal, and it just never seems worth it. You need 3 creatures on the board to make it break even with a normal land, and even if you have 5 creatures it's only making 2 more mana than a regular land. Standard is so fast that by the time it's generating extra mana the game is already nearing its end.
The only deck that I have found it worth it to have is goblins but it's a commander deck not standard. It's definitely made for slow games where you have a while to set up.
I was pretty low on three tree city before and after seeing it in action it just confirmed my doubts. It was useless the entire time, even detrimental when he had 2 and couldn’t make a land drop.
@10:52 should have blocked with all 3 port guys, that way the token dies. and you still lose just one.
The only thing that might change Toxic before it rotates id if there is more proliferate published.
What you're missing to make Mistbreath Elder good is more copies of the dewdrop boy. He buys time and embiggens, you always want the dewdrop boy bouncing.
No one is going to talk about the intro? It is peek
Kinda shocked this deck doesn't have Innkeeper's Talent. Feels like that card flows well with this deck by adding counters, giving protection, and LVL3 turning those stun frogs into 6 turn stuns
It's better with Fortune Teller's Talent. Gossip's Talent also does well.... I've kinda been frog focused since Bloomburrow dropped
@@janabearden2359 Nice! I'll try that. TY
@@chrisbonjour111 they're cheaper too lol
@@janabearden2359 Realized why I never was thinking this. I just play 60 card formats. Not much for commander so those cards rarely register with me. Def makes sense in frogs.
@@chrisbonjour111 dude with 60 card they probably go even harder
Mistbreath Elder is a "may" ability. You can just run it out as a 2/2 body until you want to bounce something.
Not really. It is a may ability to bounce the Elder itself, but if you have another creature in play, you must bounce something.
This deck is everything I like to do in Magic.
I'm running those same three mice in my deck, and yeah, I would say it's consistent enough. Manifold Mouse can always target itself if necessary.
Atm I am running 4 hero's 3 challengers and 1 manifold I need to get more from my packs to add them
profts eidetic memory might be fun with this deck, thanks for the showcase
Ive really enjoyed playing frogs, ive built a sultai ramp frog deck that runs the gitrog monster and the dreamdew entrancer as the top end (historic, notably not standard running gitrog and sylvan tutor)
Clement is my new favorite commander. Frogs all day baby.
“The problem with toxic is it’s locked in time to march”
Yes we have a term for that. It’s called a parasitic mechanic. Same as energy.
Yup pretty much
If you like chicken and you like catfish, then frog legs will be delicious to you. Majorly underrated. Tastes like chicken and has that lakey catfish aftertaste.
My biggest complaint is that I can’t play most of these sweet frog ETB effects in my Azorious Sally Sparrow deck
Banner is better than three tree city for standard imo, in my testing I never had a 3 tree work out the way I want it to.
i think frogs will have a hard time in the meta overall, they're just so reliant on having a significant board presence in a standard with a ton of efficient removal and boardwipes, and a ton of aggressive decks that can kill before the engine gets going. we'll see how it shakes out though, i've had a great time with frogs in limited
Wait, so does Mistbreath Elder really lock you? His second part of the ability is a may. Can’t you just decline the bounce of another creature and then choose not to bounce the Elder, or is the first part mandatory, if there is a legal target? When it was first previewed, there have been so many comments claiming that the may in the end makes the whole ability optional.
According to the ruling on Gatherer, yes, if you control another creature you MUST return it.
The second part is a may, but the first part is not a may. If you have other creatures, you must return one; if it's your only creature, you may return it, but don't have to.
I am not sure if I put roaming throne into this deck, will it still work?
Surprised Innkepers Talent wasn't here.
And the blue Emphemerate
24:10 Anyone else yelling to bounce the Frillback to destroy the hive? Not sure why he didn't blow it up.
spending 6 mana to replay the one creature that doesn't grow the mightcallers which are about to close the game all to stop the OP from getting a 1/1 that can't block? Even if he DID have three poison and therefore lifelink it'd be a waste.
@brownout100 true but he was building for the long game. He turned to attack. But if he didn't, the lifegain can turn things around
I got a similar idea some weeks ago in Arena. But for my irl Commander Deck I added Turn to Frog, Frogify and Polymorphist's Jest for added lols. Also Froghemoth cause why not. Clement as Commander. FROGS ONLY 😂 🐸
I call it Plague of Frogs
Let’s see some budget options for frogs some time soon.
This is already pretty budget just don’t put in cavern of souls and the three tree city
After watching (most) of this - the sideboard should be 100% against black decks. Sunshower should be removed from the sideboard, it does nothing. Mistbreath also does nothing. Negate is actually pretty good and overlooked.
I'm curious about why no Roaming Throne? It doubles up the triggers of all the frogs. Maybe since you wouldn't really want to bounce the Throne itself it's not worth it?
I think it just might be too slow. On turn 4 you either got your engine going and have enough value already/need to stabilize with something like dreamdew entrancer or your frogs got killed and don't synergize with the throne anymore. But that's just a guess.
Needs to cast that new green class, make them counters pop also
Proft eidetic enchantment is a must here
vore the opponents
or is that for the ygra episode?
Been waiting for this one
I have a feeling Seth didn't fully read Pollywallop...
Frogs are the silliest tribe from bloomburrow. Not very strong, but definitely silly. I can see weird oracle shenanigans happening with these.
😁 "leeeets get into some games and.."
😑 "i'll be back for the wrap up"
Mistbreath Elder says "may return" - is it not optional?
If you have another creature in play, you must bounce a creature. Otherwise, you may bounce itself.
Frogs are gonna get crazy when we get omniscience I Foundations
Are frogs too win more? They really struggle against a basic removal package.
It depends, if you know the opponent is running removal you save your self bounces to make them fizzle. The only thing it really struggles against is repeat board wipes.
Frogs are Bloomburrow's elves.
The only non-bird deck I haven't seen anyone play so far is Raccoons. Maybe that could be the next against the odds video
I feel like that deck would basically end up being Muerra + Keen-Eyed Curator + Wandertale Mentor along with a bunch of cards that you can cast for 4 or more mana (X spells + spells with some kind of kicker, mostly). Raccoons don't really ask you to run other Raccoons the same way that Mice or Rabbits do.
@@LadyMapi That's true but still
Brian Kibler has a stream on UA-cam where he played Raccoons. I believe it was his 2nd Bloomburrow stream.
I absolutely love this deck, but it kinda feels like it builds itself.
Dang, outside of the lands and sideboard, this is a block constructed deck.
bounce our frogs draw some cards bounce our frogs draw some cards
Mist breath elders trigger on itself is optional
Yes, and? I don't get how this is relevant to the video.
Isn't mistbreath elder a may ability???
only the self-bounce is a may. If you have another creature to bounce, you have to bounce that creature. If Mistbreath is alone, you can decline to have it bounce itself.
leaving a comment for more frog content (please it's seriously so fun to watch)
I’ve had frog legs before. My only complaint is that they have very little meat.
to be fair Gix as a skull face so honoairy skely boii
All Hail the HypnoToad!
SaffronOlive, i hate to break it to you but i think youre better known as Seth
TIL: Three turns is forever in frog-time.
There's some weird echo. It sounds like one of those 90's toy WWE spring microphone. 🤷🤔or a bathroom or something. You might need headphones to hear it
SaffronOlive.
This is the most Seth deck I've ever seen that doesn't have panharmonicon in it lol.