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Peavey 5150 BLOCK LETTER vs Marshall JCM800 2203 ZW
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Two amazing amps and how they compare to each other.
Timecodes:
- Intro: 0:00
- The Song: 0:48
- 5150 vs 800: 4:06
- How they sound together in a mix: 10:15
- Conclusion: 12:36
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forget the tone jester this guys the real deal
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I love both but that marshall punches you in the chest and that 5150 punches you in the face. As always you rock bother man, much love from TX🤘
Indeed 💪. Thanks man!
Love my 5150! I've never owned Marshall before but have played them in stores. I've owned a Peavey 5150 signature, Mesa Dual Rectifier, EVH 5150 III 100W, Peavey 6505, and a Peavey 5150 Block Letter.
The Peavey 5150 always comes out on top for me! 🤘😈
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Awesome as always bro your one of my favorites on UA-cam!
Thanks Cain! Glad to hear 😎🤘.
appreciate the comparison. i understand how they relate better now; they're a little closer than i realized.
messing with them in stereo now, thanks to your video. good times!
Cool! Indeed! 🎸🎼🕺
As always your killing it boss 🤘🏼🔥
Thanks KK 😎👌
I keep coming back to this video..bought amps sound massive and very satisfying with that percussive metal sound!
Glad to hear! Indeed 😎💪.
This is exactly what we needed. Thanks.
Glad to hear! Thanks! 😎
Great F’king video!! Two monster amps!! Great playing and comparison!!
Thanks!
Many thanks for this! Excellent sound and playing!!!. Cant find a video with a mix between 5150 and 800, sounds full of mids, crunchy, and very raw!. Regards from Argentina
Thanks man!
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Sounds great Euge. Love your playing and tone bro! I've kinda been eyeing an EVH stealth to pair with my 800....
Thanks Wade! Yeah it’s a killer combo! 💪
Terve Euge! Interesting comparison, and nice riffing as usual. Both amps are as you said great sounding and it comes down to years of playing loud and live to decide which one to prefer. I´ve played marshall 2203:s boosted with a SD-1 since eighties and there is something subtle I miss when playing other (also great) amps. Marshalls are just a tad more gritty on their own but that really helps when youre on a stage with a crazy drummer and loud bass. Great channel, keep ém coming!
Indeed! 👌🤘💪
Wicked playing! I've been playing the 5150 since 1992 and I love it, but the ZW is a beast of an amp.
Thanks! Yeah it’s basically a re-issued 800 (2203x) but with 6550 power tubes and Wylde graphics. My og 800s from 80s are actually more bad ass than it 😎💪. Especially ’The Bad Boy’: ua-cam.com/video/5s-Dd9C-tno/v-deo.html
you rock my friend kick ass video! you are now my new guitar teacher my friend thank you
Glad to hear & thanks!
Great lesson bro!!!! Sound amazing. 🤘🏻❤️
Thanks!
You are wellcome E!!!!
Haha i wanted to say that you should put them together in the mix, because those amps work really good together.
Then i saw the timestamp in the description.
Such a massive tone!
Personally i like the lead-channel of the 5150 for rhythm guitar more, a bit more controlled on the low-end.
Yours sounded killer though!
Indeed!
Yeah I go back and forth which channel I prefer and today I ”felt more” with the rhythm channel 😎👌.
I know this is an old video, but as a Zakk Wylde fan I admire how you can replicate his tone, feel and licks.
Oh I just play like I’ve always played but thanks anyway. I’ve heard this a few times before and actually made fun with Zakk about it a long time ago 😎.
Great video Euge. Funny I played an 800 combo for years and then when the high gain amp thing came in I sold it and got a 5150 block letter. For years I kept trying to get my tone with the 5150 and even started using the Rhythm channel like yourself, I just found that for leads the 5150 had a kind of thin squashed sound tha
Thanks!
Listening to the Peavey again..yes it definitely has something special..and all those that 800 thing! I was just comparing this riff you played with last review you made of the SV20..you even made it sound bigger than the little 800!
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Woah gained subscriber great playing amd tone
Thanks man!
Great Playing, Great Tones and Keep it up..
Rock Out with your .... Out!! 🤘
Thanks! Of course 😎.
Great video! Awesome guitar playing and musicianship! Inspiring
Thanks Paul!
Yeah Euge, I really enjoy the way you play, I hope to achieve a level of playing ability and continue to enjoy learning everyday, so your an inspiration to me. Thanks for sharing your talents with us.
Oh thanks man, glad to hear! 🙏
Euge, fantastic look into 2 great amps.. just discovered your channel as I have an old 5150 and a Marshall (Major) converted to a superlead with 800 style gain cascade.. They do both sound great together.. the 6550 tubes in the ZW is a plus.. 6L6 in the peavey give bottom as expected... I wish these makers would use KT88 tubes as I think they give a SUPER WIDE range like this mix.. some think they are a bit sterile, but i love them.. my Marshall has a split bias using 2 x KT88 and 2 x EL34.. really big huge sound out of it.. Great vid !! thanks ..
Thanks BJ! Glad to hear!
Oh that Major must be badass💪🔥. RAWK.
@@EugeValovirta230V Its super loud as well.. !! but a big fat sound.. getting a huge sound as you pointed out is key...
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That is truly bad ass keep them both together and rock them out, can’t pick a favorite here..👍🏻🎶🎶🤘🏻🤘🏻👍🏻
I will! 💪
I like these gear comparison videos
Thanks! Me too 😊.
Sick tones again. Love em both. 5150 kind of reminds me of this old in flames/at the gates sound. Björn is using a Marshall nowadays though. It's a dough Aldrich custom amp, that never became a mass production amp.
I really like your oldschool take on things. You make these marshalls sounds really great.
Some mixing tutorials from you would be interesting too ;)
Thanks!
Oh that’s what he’s been using; I knew it was a proto but didn’t know that it was meant to be an Aldrich signature. Cool!
Yeah that’s what they used in IF back in the day.
I’m not really a mixing engineer but I could do a video of at least how I ”mix” these UA-cam videos / songs. Which isn’t much to be honest; basically just setting the levels that everything is in balance 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V I don't know, if it was actually meant to be a signature amp, but it was custom built for Doug Aldrich. It has got an internal tubescreamer like boost, a noisegate and reverb. It also has got a gain shape button and goes from all clean to high gain.
Interesting amp :)
Ah I see! Sounds interesting indeed 😎👌
They sound amazing. Even better together 🤤
Indeed 😎💪.
Suenan espectacular los 2 !! El marshall me gusta un poco más porque me gusta el sonido con más frecuencias medias pero los 2 son geniales!! Y por cierto gran riff el que compusiste maestro !!! 🤘😃
Gracias! (My wife translated your message 😊)
Euge you are the best guy on you tube !! Been watching your vids for a few months now and I keep going back to your vids !! Maybe I’m biased because I’m a Marshall guy 🤔 😆!! Are you Swedish ?
Thanks man! Glad to hear!
I’m Finnish but play in a Swedish band (Cyhra) and live in Switzerland 🤟. Well our drummer is German so we’re actually Swedish - Finnish - German band 😎.
I wonder how many of us out there obsess about tone and sit and do this all the time? I enjoy doing this type of comparison on my own, and I love to come to this channel and watch it here. Great work.
Thanks man! 🙏🤟
God damn - that playing. So amazing. The 5150 sounded scooped - I bet if you mid boosted with a graphic EQ before the input you’d get it closer to the king (2203 ZW).
Thanks! Yeah it’s a bit more scooped than 800.
The 800 sounds Huge! In the first video you did with peavey it also sounded impressive! Maybe you used the rhythm channel there also!
Yeah!
On the first vid I used both channels on The 1st Song panned hard L & R and on The 2nd song I used just the Lead channel👌.
Good video. I still wish I understood the differences in the designs though, like the circuitry and what exactly does what.
Thanks!
This is a pretty good general one that’ll get you started: www.ultimate-guitar.com/articles/features/how_it_works_anatomy_of_a_tube_amplifier-87894
Awesome! 👊
Thanks!
Very good!
Thanks!
I really love your playing and them chugga chuggas, I liked Marshall more, it sounded more alive.
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Thanks Ramo!
Both sound amazing!
What did you use for Bass and drums? - sounds huge!
Thanks!
Addictive Drums 2 + Softube’s Drawmer mastering / compression plugin and Tsar Reverb plugin. Tokai Precision bass and JST Hellraiser plugin + Cubase’s Tube Compressor plugin 👌
You always make the amps sound really good sound but I'm biased towards the JCM.
Two questions:
1) Could you address how do you manage to make pedals sound good (reverbs, delay) on the JCM 800 without the effects loop?
2) Where do you get flight cases like those for your amps heads?
Thanks!
1) I don’t use those but if I do when recording (like on my videos) I just add dly & rev in DAW to the channel insert like you do when recording albums etc.
All other pedals always in front of the amp and sometimes dly as well (you just have to dial the pedal level really low.
2) Custom made by Transit Case Finland
I don't think there is a winner. Both are great sounding amps. I think it just comes down to which you prefer in the moment of whatever you're using it for. Nice playing Euge, as always.
Exactly👌.
Thanks Han!
After doing quite a bit of research on speakers, 1970's Celestion greenbacks win my vote for being such a vocal speaker for guitar tone. Mixed with Creambacks or even Eminence Texas heat or such warm speakers blends extremely well. I own a 5150 signature combo and a Canadian made Garnet combo (which has a Blackstar or JCM800 sound with even more mids when loaded with EL34's althought they are designed for 6L6.
So basically I have the combo version of what you have for a setup. I run my setup with a Boss SD1 with gain almost to zero and volume past 12 oclock. Tone knob around 10 oclock. Depends on the day I play. Still deciding. I only found out this week that Zakk Wylde actually used this setup to boost his signal. I've been doing this for three decades at least. It cuts some of the low end though so I'd like to either mod the SD1 or find another pedal to try such as the Maxxon or original tube screamer. I made my own boost pedal with my electronics background but it sounds a bit muddy. Takes away some clarity. I should fiddle with the components and experiment.
The Sheffeild 1500s sound brittle. I would like to try another speaker in that cab. Greenbacks perhaps. It's hard to tell as the Sheffields push a lot of bottom end. I saw a trick where someone sands down some material off the cone of a speaker to make it more vocal. Basically thinning the material applied to the paper. I'm not that courageous.
My Garnet is an open back so my next project is to close the speaker part to give the speakers a quicker response and more thud. I'm going to replace the caps, some pots, worn speakers, add a bias control for EL34, close the speaker enclosure isolated from the tubes for heat dissipation and possibly add a send and return jack option.
Yeah Greenbacks, V30s & Eminence P50Es are some of my favourite speakers.
Is there a way to use overdrive some other way than boosting a signal? 😊. I mean that’s what it does; overdrives the signal 👌😎.
Sounds cool man! RAWK. 💪
both amps sound broootal 💪 and compliments each other. 🤘
Yeah! 😎💪
great demo!!! what type of lens do you use with your camera in this video ?
Thanks! Just the regular that came with the Canon M50. Whatever it’s called 😎.
Marshall is BadASS! Great playing! Great RiFF!!!!!!! Good Job Brotha!
Thanks Chris!
Euge, 1st off great Vids!!! But, your accent and the way you speak is what makes the videos enjoyable... You have a certain way in which you approach your thought process to get your point across that has a touch of comedy. This is a compliment not meant to be a dig at you or your speaking voice. I look forward to your videos, but i can tell behind the tone in your voice to hang out with you as in everyday life, would probably be a blast!!!! Keep up the great work, the songs for the vids also kill.... You have a killer JCM 800 tone , nice work!!!!!!
Thanks Jimmy! Yeah since English isn’t my first language I have to give it a bit of thought sometimes 😁.
Your english is perfect....Your vids are killer and your playing is spot on and your songwriting is just what the doctor ordered. Keep um coming, i also have been playing for a long time and wish i had the balls to do what you have accomplished in these times, but i look forward to more of your work,,,
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Oh thanks for your kind words man! ☺️🙏
@@EugeValovirta230V Hey man, can you get your hands on a Maxon OD808, and an Original Tube Screamer and do a shootout against your Boss? Also, the EMG's are very distinct, do you have guitars with passive pickups that you like? Your JCM does not sound like others ive heard and i was wondering how much do the EMG's enhance your tone....
We’ll see but if I do then sure!
The ZW 800 is like the ”usual” 800 and my two from 80s are the Scandinavian edition which are, for some reason, really aggressive: ua-cam.com/video/5I6nTYCEpVs/v-deo.html
Great song!
Thanks!
800 if I had to choose one but love them together. I do a similiar Peavey/Marshall rig with a Peavey Penta and a 1968 50w plexi.
Likewise 👌.
Cool!
Great video man I have always wanted to see the zakk jcm800 and see how it sounds and I have the 5150 1 2 and 3 and I can’t find a zakk amp to buy haha but thanks to this video I see that it’s ok I can get very close to it’s sound with the 5150 1 , I have a jcm 2210 I wonder if it can sound close to the zakk 2203 and if u could use 6550”s I just found out about that trick bout 20 minutes ago and my jcm is due for a fuse change I broke em :/ so maybe I’ll ask for those tubes instead but one more question does it need to get modded for those tubes or can they just put them and it’ll work
Thanks! Amps always need to be modded to be used with different ”category” tubes than it was originally designed.
@@EugeValovirta230V allright thank you very much
Soooo,
Wanted to say a couple things...
First of all AWESOME video. You know, I just wrote a song for this demo and all, no big deal :-P
Personally I'm a fan of Peavey. It was my first amp as a kid, and I've used them over the years pretty regularly. A guy I used to know had a Dual Rec modded 5150 that he would play through a 2 x 12 bass cab for superb low ends.
What I really want to know is how you got your DAW audio linked to OBS lol! Are you using ASIO4ALL? ASIO Link Pro? What's your interface?? lol
Thanks!
I use Loopback and OBS to record the screen & audio. My interface is Steinberg UR816C 👌.
just subscribed because of the 'song'
Thanks!
Both sound awesome...but I really like that Marshall midrange.
Yeah! 👌
I think I like the Marshall a tad more, but they both sound amazing!
Indeed! 💪
dude that riff is awesome! both amps sound great but that Marshall got a little something the Peavey is missing.
Thanks! Yeah 800 is such a killer amp. But so is 5150. Just a bit different :-).
Molemmat soundaa hyvältä, marshallissa vähä kirkkaampi soundi. 💪🏻
Näin on 👌💪.
The Marshall has a bit more of punch and meat and maybe a bit more high too, i felt that it jumps more out of the mix, the guitar becomes more apparent and in your face. The 5150 is a bit different, yes a darker tone, also interesting. But the 800 + Super Overdrive sounds killer.
Indeed 💪👌.
Only answer: One left and one right in the mix
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LOve me some Gibson (Tokai) and some 800🤘. What year ist the Tokai?
Yeah!
Not sure / can’t remember but early 2000 or something 😎👌.
Sick riffs and nice test! You need to work on your back position on the chair, it can get you a back pain mate :D Feel me!
Thanks!
My back’s good ’cos I do a lot of sports but I know that it wouldn’t do harm to focus on the playing position also 😎.
Can u do a 6505 vs jcm800 😀 i feel the 6505 is more open than the 5150 and Soldano slo vs jcm800 😃
5150 & 6505: Same amp - different logo 😎: ua-cam.com/video/L_C526PH0no/v-deo.html
If I can get my hands on SLO then absolutely 👌.
Is your Bad Boy modded beyond the power tubes?
Nope.
5150 seemed to have more attack and more focus. Marshall not a huge amount less, but the tone has more going on, i.e., more character, growl and mids, or something. I think the 5150 would be easier to work with in a very busy mix. Marshall would fill more space in the mix. There are uses for both.
P.S. Edit. My usually sleepy old brain quickly got to thinking up some of those uses. One would be for harmony parts and getting some separation between them. Get the 5150 playing the lower note and the 800 playing the harmonized line above. A tighter focused lower note and a rich singing harmonized note above it using all that extra presence.
Indeed👌.
you should extract these "for this video" songs to a separate playlist
Maybe 😉.
The songs on RED WOLF’s ’Sessions Vol. 1’ are all based on songs from my videos and I’ve done quite a few of those after the album was released so Vol 2. is slowly but steadily in the making 😎.
Both sound like keepers
Indeed 👌.
I rewatched the video man , why the tone is soo deep ? And the 5150 is lower volume level
I dialled it to be since deep and ballsy is good 😎💪. Yeah 800 is one of the most loudest amps and sounds the best when it’s cranked. Dialling 5150 as loud would make it sound a bit mushy. It’s all about finding the sweet spot 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V do u like splawn quickrod ? And PRS guitars ? 😁
I haven’t tried the Splawn. PRS are good but I’m more than happy with my ESPs & Tokais. Especially my signature ESPs 👌😎.
the book of heavy metal
Sounds phat! Now quad track =)
😁 I’ve never find a need for that 😎.
Marshall for tone, Peavey for holding your white owl :-)
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5150!
Sorry, to finish, the lead sound on the 5150 is bright and thin sounding, I went back to an 800 and my sound came back, full and more guts and warmth. The 5150 can do metal though.
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What is that riff?
Don’t know exactly what riff you mean but the song is just something I wrote for this video. Like I pretty much always do 😎🤟.
@@EugeValovirta230V Its amazing, you should use that one 😁🤟
Thanks! I have quite a ”few” of these songs and every once in a while some of them are actually released 😎🤟.
Both amps on a mix sounds very very fuller than
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Pepita prefers Peavey because it has some white elements which remind him of Lapland. This time he was so focused on the music that he forgot to dance!
Word 😁👌
I'm really shocked the JCM could get that close to the 5150.
Todella loistavia nuppeja molemmat mut,kyl toi marshall potkii paremmin🤘
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The ZW sounds better here.
It’s hard to beat a Marshall and a Les Paul 💪😎.
1337.
*again the pivic seemed too fat-free in comparison with 800, although in itself it is certainly very, very good))*
*in general, in comparison with 800, all amps will lose)))*
*800 for a guitarist - like a chicken breast for a bodybuilder: gobble up mixtures, pork, beef, canned food, spices - still get back to basics 8)))*
*снова пивик показался через чур обезжиренным именно в сравнении с 800, хотя сам по себе безусловно весьма и весьма не плох))*
*вообще в сравнении с 800 все ампы будут проигрывать)))*
*800 для гитариста - как куриная грудка для культуриста: обожрись смесей, свинины, говядины, консервов, специй - всё равно вернёшься к основам 8)))*
Thanks for the comment but I have no idea what you wrote since I only know English & Finnish and moderately Swedish & German 😎.
The 5150 has a much more bass than the 800.
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I thought you always wanted to be Michael Lee Firkins just a copy of him
I gotta check that guy out 👍
@@EugeValovirta230V check out Guy Mann Dude you will like Guy Mann Dude also. Michael lee firkins has a lot of country licks like Zakk Wylde uses after ozzy. Lots of live videos playing slide
Oh man Firkins is awesome! I can’t believe he’s gone under my radar. Boogie! Will check Guy Mann also. Thanks for the tips Wayne 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V ya MLK is advance player lots of sweep arpeggio licks, country licks and plays slide. Guy Mann Dude is a shredder
@@EugeValovirta230V check out Larry Mitchell LIVE 1991 on youtube Larry Mitchell 1990 album very tall black guy double neck guitar