@edward allen - Yes! Great little DSM sat RX and it has a built in bind button to avoid binding hassles - thanks for sharing 🙂👍: www.buddyrc.com/products/kensun-dsm2-dsmx-compatible-satellite-receiver-with-binding-button?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb
@@Rchelicopterfun it is a little tricky to plug in battery while holding the bind button. so i made a temporary extender for xt30 plug with a switch on the negative lead.
I'm glad this video is still up. After my DX9 died and switching to an NX8 and not even touching this little heli for several years I found myself clueless how to bind it again lol. Had to search hard in my 123 plane hanger to even find a receiver to accept the old 3 pin satellite.
I took the plunge and ordered one, not that I NEEDED another Heli but your review did it for me. Went with the bnf with four batteries. Should be here by Christmas🤣🤣😉
Truly appreciate the "should be here by Christmas" comment 😅. Whenever it arrives, I hope you enjoy it. Mine has been getting lots of air time over the past 2 weeks now with no issues to report. Put er in the soft grass a few times and a tree reached out and grabbed it once, but it's holding up well.
I recently bought the tx16s to replace my Qx7 and older Dx8. Trying to get all quads and helis on the tx16s. The core heli guys hate open tx. That's the Info I'm getting. I am having the hardest time programming the tx16 to work with the nano s2 and the mcpx bl2. The omp m2 and the xk130 I figured out. Lots of info to learn.
Well, as a pretty "core" heli guy myself (flying & instructing for over 30 years and having one of the most popular RC helicopter websites on the internet), I love OpenTX. But that certainly wasn't always the case. My first two weeks the Horus X12S purchase, I hated OpenTX like many, and was ready to give up. Then I found OpenTX University's website on a good customer's recommendation. Now, as I recommend to everyone getting into OpenTX; make OpenTX university's website your best friend. Study it, learning it, know it. Every single thing I know about configuring an OpenTX radio comes from that site, including their excellent section on helicopter radio configuration. That section by the way will help you get your OpenTX radio to have a similar base configuration as what a preconfigured off the shelf Spektrum radio uses in terms of inputs, outputs & mixes.
I just ordered 160 I’ll wait on m1 still only preorder plus they are going to tip everybody upside down pocket wise $240 originally was supposed to be $180 close with the other micros so just set up radio and satellite 📡 for arrival
Thank you for the great video! If you had to choose between the XK130 or the E machine 160 witch would you say is better? I have the XK130 and it's a pain! What are your thoughts? I was thinking about getting the E machine? Thank you Leo
I answer this question in the review I did on the E160. The 160 IMO is hands down a better performing micro than the 130. The brushless tail performance improvement and efficiency increase alone pushes it ahead. Never mind the longer flight times, better landing struts, better main motor, and better overall flight characteristics.
Hi Jonh, thank you very much for another excellent content! By the way, would you explain or have a video that shows how set up the 6G/3D on a Spektrum radio?
Like most small/micro CP helis, stabilization mode selection is via channel 5 output. So you would simply assign whatever toggle you want to use for stabilization to channel 5 and then set the output for channel 5 at -100% to +100% (ie. a 2 position switched output). Done. 🙂
Hey John, excuse my ignorance but I’ve never gone down the satellite route. I’ve always flown as near “stick n rudder” as possible. What exactly does that little DSM Satellite box do? Surely it’s not a fancy GPS is it? 😳👍🏻
Nope, it has nothing to do with GPS; it's simply what Spektrum calls their DSM2/X stand alone small receivers that have no servo BUS. Also called remote receivers (lots of info on Spektrum's site). I also go over this and other RX options on my flybarless page under the "How To Connect A Flybarless Flight Controller To Your Receiver" heading : www.rchelicopterfun.com/flybarless.html
@@Rchelicopterfun Hey John, hope you’re good 👍🏻 I guess they’re using the word “satellite” in terms of separate to the main body, like satellite villages connected to a city by dirt tracks. I have a problem with Dual Rates on the E6 transmitter, mine came from the factory set to 50%/100%. I changed my pitch and throttle curves easily BUT when it came to Dual Rates (1,2 & 4) I could only change channel 1. It simply won’t allow me to jump to 2 and 4, no matter how many times I bash the Mode button lol. Just changing roll could be disastrous - any ideas? 🚁
@@samgibson9153 I am not sure about dsm2, but I use to bind some dsmx without receiver, only by shorting signal and ground on power up, and it worked. It was some time ago, so not sure if all satellites are capable
@Ikarus - Care to share the documentation on this. I can find a single document that supports any DSM2 or DSMX satellite being able to be put into Bind mode by shorting the PPM signal to ground. All flight controllers/FBL systems that are able to put a Speky/aftermarket DSM sat RX into bind mode use CLI commands to do it. There are even a couple Satellite bind tools on the market that will allow you to put the Sat into bind mode like this one. www.flyingtech.co.uk/electronics/simple-usb-bind-tool-dsm2-dsmx-satellite-receiver I really don't think flight controllers would use CLI commands or there being special satellite RX binding tools available if it was just an easy matter of shorting the PPM signal output to ground. Again, in all the years I've been using DSM protocol, I've never run across any documentation supporting this method. I of course will change my view if you can provide documentation that I've missed. 🙂
@@Rchelicopterfun no documentation, just try and see for yourself if it works or not. You cant fry receiver by shorting signal and ground, so why not try
Hi nice info can you help me out with the setup of the flight settings for the eachine 180 I don't know how to do the flights setup in the transmitter like when I do it with my blade 230s in the book says how to do the flight setup but I don't know how to do it with the eachine 180 can you do a video about it
My eBook covers collective pitch setup: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html Already have a basic CP setup video: ua-cam.com/video/O1L0wxzoqOU/v-deo.html
Hi John, I'm a newbie on r/c heli and I keep on practicing on my simulator. Now I'm ready to try what I learned from the simulator to the actual r/c heli so I bought the eachine E160 BNF model and the radio master TX16S. My question is, does the E160 comes with a receiver in it or should I buy a receiver in order to bind with the radio master transmitter. Thanks.
It's no different from setting up any other collective pitch RC helicopter on a computerized radio, and by looking at your channel, you have set many up. I cover the basics of collective pitch setup in my setup & tips ebooks: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html www.rchelicopterfun.com/swashplate-setup.html But again, going by your channel you already know all those basic & fundamental swash & heli setup steps.
John, Just curious. Did you ever use a DSMX sat and Spektrum Tx on the Old (Original) Align 150DFC? If so, did it fly OK for you? For me it flew horribly, felt REALLY laggy, practically unflyable, but with a Futaba Tx on S-FHSS it flew fine, no issues.
I used one on my align 150. I didn’t really notice any lag but it was on the GRS gyro. I used it because it either wouldn’t bind or lost the bind. I used two different transmitters, same with both. I have two and a half of these 150’s and I have come to hate the gyro but it flys fine with the satellite and my inexpensive Dx6e.
@@heeder777 Maybe lag isn't the best way to describe what was going on with it. It could have been a cyclic gain issue when a DSMX sat was used. Basically, every time I did a flip or a roll for example, when i returned the sticks to centre to stop the rotation, the heli would keep rotating and overshoot by around 25° to 30° every single time, so you'd have to give it oposite stick to corret for the overshoot. I tried various different brands of DSMX sats from Orange and Lemon as well as genuine Spektrum sats, I tried 11ms and 22ms frame rate, nothing made any difference. I have read about other people having issues like this, but non as pronounced as the issues I had, and I didn't find those user reports until over a year after I gave up with the 150 DFC on Spektrum, and tried Futaba instead, which worked fine, so IDK, It's a mystery🤔
hey John, I bound the satellite reciever to the transmitter just like you showed but when I connect it to the E160 I get a blinking blue light and no input response, any idea to what i'm doing wrong? any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh by the way the transmitter is the Spektrum DX6i.
Sorry, never measured it on mine. Here is a listing of all the screws that come in the E160 screw hardware set - it's one these: 😅 Item Name: Screw Set Brand: Eachine Item NO: E160-024 Cross head screw ST1.4*4PA D2.4 carbon steel nickel plated*9 Hexagon cup head screw 2*9HM D3 half tooth carbon steel black zinc plated*2 Cross round head machine screws 1.6*4PM D=3 iron nickel plated*4 Cross head machine screws 1.4*3PM D=2.5 iron nickel plated*2 Cross head machine screws 1.4*7PM D2.4 carbon steel nickel plated*4 Cross round head machine screws 1.6*5.5PM D=3 iron nickel plated*2 Hexagon cup head screw 1.6*6.5HB D3 carbon steel black zinc plated*1
Here's my Eachine E160 Review Video: ua-cam.com/video/Yw0aMjfX96c/v-deo.html Interested in taking up the hobby of RC helicopters? Visit my website for helpful information: www.rchelicopterfun.com/
No idea on the TX that comes with since this is the BNF version I got. However, collective pitch setup is setup regardless of radio used. I mention all my settings in my 3 flight modes in the review video I did on this heli: ua-cam.com/video/Yw0aMjfX96c/v-deo.html Those are based largely on all my CP setup values which I go over in this video: ua-cam.com/video/O1L0wxzoqOU/v-deo.html All that is based on the setup procedures for all Collective pitch RC helicopters in my setup & tips eBook: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Would you build a 800 helicopter for me complete programming to a h1 gps to a rtf package. Really want something large that I'm going to be able to get more than 5 seconds out of. Really tired of wrecking nice models. It's always something. If it's not a set up isue it will be a mechanical and if either of those don't crash me it will be the wind or center of gravity or...or...or... I can always simply lawn dart it .... Seriously there is absolutely no one around here that really knows jack about these helicopters.... They sell them but really that's about it. Only one shop around here that could get one to bind. Seriously they do drones and cars but helicopters are like a mystery thousands later I still have nothing flying. Had success with the preprogrammed rtf 230 with a safe button. I can fly that....but they are plastic junk. Couple flights and every part will be worked if it's still around.... Tiny hard to see... Proper lights and or GPS tracker makes it too heavy and fly like dog sh💩. I have a trex500dfc I have been smart enough not to fly...needs set up.think I have a 200.00 top of the line spectrum helicopter receiver around someplace I would surely take a week to set up miss something and be minus a large heli. I have a dx8 gen 2. Would buy a dx20 need SAFE or GPS . Surely have proven repeated with 6 or 8 200 to 360 size that I don't have this down yet. Costs me like 100 a. Second to learn. No one to help.
RaceTek Kensun Satellite 2.4GHz Receiver w/Binding Button [RTK-KEN-01015]
@edward allen - Yes! Great little DSM sat RX and it has a built in bind button to avoid binding hassles - thanks for sharing 🙂👍: www.buddyrc.com/products/kensun-dsm2-dsmx-compatible-satellite-receiver-with-binding-button?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb
@@Rchelicopterfun it is a little tricky to plug in battery while holding the bind button. so i made a temporary extender for xt30 plug with a switch on the negative lead.
I'm glad this video is still up. After my DX9 died and switching to an NX8 and not even touching this little heli for several years I found myself clueless how to bind it again lol. Had to search hard in my 123 plane hanger to even find a receiver to accept the old 3 pin satellite.
Another wonderful and informative video. As always, Thanks for sharing John! 🚁❤🙏❤🚁
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
I took the plunge and ordered one, not that I NEEDED another Heli but your review did it for me. Went with the bnf with four batteries. Should be here by Christmas🤣🤣😉
Truly appreciate the "should be here by Christmas" comment 😅. Whenever it arrives, I hope you enjoy it. Mine has been getting lots of air time over the past 2 weeks now with no issues to report. Put er in the soft grass a few times and a tree reached out and grabbed it once, but it's holding up well.
Thanks John,as always great video,very informative.I would be lost without you!!!
Thanks for another great video.
This is just what I was looking for.
Glad it was helpful.
Very helpful , worked a treat, looking forward to giving it a fly, looks a great machine indeed
Have fun
I recently bought the tx16s to replace my Qx7 and older Dx8. Trying to get all quads and helis on the tx16s. The core heli guys hate open tx. That's the Info I'm getting. I am having the hardest time programming the tx16 to work with the nano s2 and the mcpx bl2. The omp m2 and the xk130 I figured out. Lots of info to learn.
Well, as a pretty "core" heli guy myself (flying & instructing for over 30 years and having one of the most popular RC helicopter websites on the internet), I love OpenTX. But that certainly wasn't always the case. My first two weeks the Horus X12S purchase, I hated OpenTX like many, and was ready to give up. Then I found OpenTX University's website on a good customer's recommendation.
Now, as I recommend to everyone getting into OpenTX; make OpenTX university's website your best friend. Study it, learning it, know it. Every single thing I know about configuring an OpenTX radio comes from that site, including their excellent section on helicopter radio configuration. That section by the way will help you get your OpenTX radio to have a similar base configuration as what a preconfigured off the shelf Spektrum radio uses in terms of inputs, outputs & mixes.
Thanks for this video. I'm loving this little heli.
Yep, me too 🙂
Thanks for your time kinda like the heli better than omp2 for smaller areas but both excellent reviews
The new M1 is amazing! ua-cam.com/video/VECEXCRKzrI/v-deo.html
I just ordered 160 I’ll wait on m1 still only preorder plus they are going to tip everybody upside down pocket wise $240 originally was supposed to be $180 close with the other micros so just set up radio and satellite 📡 for arrival
Thanks for a very informative video! Can you please share how to map the 6G/3D, low rates/high rates and throttle hold buttons on the Spektrum radio?
Thank you for the great video! If you had to choose between the XK130 or the E machine 160 witch would you say is better? I have the XK130 and it's a pain! What are your thoughts? I was thinking about getting the E machine? Thank you Leo
I answer this question in the review I did on the E160. The 160 IMO is hands down a better performing micro than the 130. The brushless tail performance improvement and efficiency increase alone pushes it ahead. Never mind the longer flight times, better landing struts, better main motor, and better overall flight characteristics.
Hi Jonh, thank you very much for another excellent content! By the way, would you explain or have a video that shows how set up the 6G/3D on a Spektrum radio?
Like most small/micro CP helis, stabilization mode selection is via channel 5 output. So you would simply assign whatever toggle you want to use for stabilization to channel 5 and then set the output for channel 5 at -100% to +100% (ie. a 2 position switched output). Done. 🙂
@@Rchelicopterfun Thank you!
Hey John, excuse my ignorance but I’ve never gone down the satellite route. I’ve always flown as near “stick n rudder” as possible.
What exactly does that little DSM Satellite box do? Surely it’s not a fancy GPS is it? 😳👍🏻
Nope, it has nothing to do with GPS; it's simply what Spektrum calls their DSM2/X stand alone small receivers that have no servo BUS. Also called remote receivers (lots of info on Spektrum's site). I also go over this and other RX options on my flybarless page under the "How To Connect A Flybarless Flight Controller To Your Receiver" heading :
www.rchelicopterfun.com/flybarless.html
@@Rchelicopterfun Hey John, hope you’re good 👍🏻 I guess they’re using the word “satellite” in terms of separate to the main body, like satellite villages connected to a city by dirt tracks.
I have a problem with Dual Rates on the E6 transmitter, mine came from the factory set to 50%/100%.
I changed my pitch and throttle curves easily BUT when it came to Dual Rates (1,2 & 4) I could only change channel 1. It simply won’t allow me to jump to 2 and 4, no matter how many times I bash the Mode button lol. Just changing roll could be disastrous - any ideas? 🚁
You can enter bind mode on any spektrum rx, when you short ground to signal on power up, and then it will go in bind mode
Ikarus.... How do you get the satellite into bind mode please. I have a dsm2 satellite I want to use but no receiver I can use to bind it...
@@samgibson9153 I am not sure about dsm2, but I use to bind some dsmx without receiver, only by shorting signal and ground on power up, and it worked. It was some time ago, so not sure if all satellites are capable
@Ikarus - Care to share the documentation on this. I can find a single document that supports any DSM2 or DSMX satellite being able to be put into Bind mode by shorting the PPM signal to ground. All flight controllers/FBL systems that are able to put a Speky/aftermarket DSM sat RX into bind mode use CLI commands to do it. There are even a couple Satellite bind tools on the market that will allow you to put the Sat into bind mode like this one. www.flyingtech.co.uk/electronics/simple-usb-bind-tool-dsm2-dsmx-satellite-receiver
I really don't think flight controllers would use CLI commands or there being special satellite RX binding tools available if it was just an easy matter of shorting the PPM signal output to ground. Again, in all the years I've been using DSM protocol, I've never run across any documentation supporting this method. I of course will change my view if you can provide documentation that I've missed. 🙂
@@Rchelicopterfun no documentation, just try and see for yourself if it works or not. You cant fry receiver by shorting signal and ground, so why not try
@@Rchelicopterfun thank you for your replies and your continued content. I've used many of your videos to really help me!
Hi nice info can you help me out with the setup of the flight settings for the eachine 180 I don't know how to do the flights setup in the transmitter like when I do it with my blade 230s in the book says how to do the flight setup but I don't know how to do it with the eachine 180 can you do a video about it
My eBook covers collective pitch setup: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Already have a basic CP setup video: ua-cam.com/video/O1L0wxzoqOU/v-deo.html
Hi John, I'm a newbie on r/c heli and I keep on practicing on my simulator. Now I'm ready to try what I learned from the simulator to the actual r/c heli so I bought the eachine E160 BNF model and the radio master TX16S. My question is, does the E160 comes with a receiver in it or should I buy a receiver in order to bind with the radio master transmitter. Thanks.
E160 has a built in S-FHSS RX
@@Rchelicopterfun thank you so much for giving attention to my question.
Monsieur penser vous que l’on pourais fair pareil avec un helicoptere de la marque BLADE binder a un récepteur sous s fhSS ??
So this procedure should work with the Eachine E150 also?
Yes
@@Rchelicopterfun Thanks John👍
I bought an Eachine E160, I've already done the bind, I just need to do the setup on the Spektrum DX7 radio, I need help, can you help me?
It's no different from setting up any other collective pitch RC helicopter on a computerized radio, and by looking at your channel, you have set many up.
I cover the basics of collective pitch setup in my setup & tips ebooks:
www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
www.rchelicopterfun.com/swashplate-setup.html
But again, going by your channel you already know all those basic & fundamental swash & heli setup steps.
John, Just curious. Did you ever use a DSMX sat and Spektrum Tx on the Old (Original) Align 150DFC? If so, did it fly OK for you? For me it flew horribly, felt REALLY laggy, practically unflyable, but with a Futaba Tx on S-FHSS it flew fine, no issues.
Nope, never had the original 150, just the 150X which has been working fine with a DSM RX. Both at 11ms and 22ms refresh frame rates.
@@Rchelicopterfun OK Thanks for replying John, this video remided me of the issues I had, so I just thought I'd ask.👍
With spectrum sat I have mounted on the tail horizontal fin on 450 size. Maybe will work on this size.
I used one on my align 150. I didn’t really notice any lag but it was on the GRS gyro. I used it because it either wouldn’t bind or lost the bind. I used two different transmitters, same with both. I have two and a half of these 150’s and I have come to hate the gyro but it flys fine with the satellite and my inexpensive Dx6e.
@@heeder777 Maybe lag isn't the best way to describe what was going on with it. It could have been a cyclic gain issue when a DSMX sat was used. Basically, every time I did a flip or a roll for example, when i returned the sticks to centre to stop the rotation, the heli would keep rotating and overshoot by around 25° to 30° every single time, so you'd have to give it oposite stick to corret for the overshoot. I tried various different brands of DSMX sats from Orange and Lemon as well as genuine Spektrum sats, I tried 11ms and 22ms frame rate, nothing made any difference. I have read about other people having issues like this, but non as pronounced as the issues I had, and I didn't find those user reports until over a year after I gave up with the 150 DFC on Spektrum, and tried Futaba instead, which worked fine, so IDK, It's a mystery🤔
hey John, I bound the satellite reciever to the transmitter just like you showed but when I connect it to the E160 I get a blinking blue light and no input response, any idea to what i'm doing wrong? any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh by the way the transmitter is the Spektrum DX6i.
Sorry, no ideas.
Hi john I lost the Jesus bolt on my e160 in a crash was wondering if you knew what size it is?
Sorry, never measured it on mine. Here is a listing of all the screws that come in the E160 screw hardware set - it's one these: 😅
Item Name: Screw Set
Brand: Eachine
Item NO: E160-024
Cross head screw ST1.4*4PA D2.4 carbon steel nickel plated*9
Hexagon cup head screw 2*9HM D3 half tooth carbon steel black zinc plated*2
Cross round head machine screws 1.6*4PM D=3 iron nickel plated*4
Cross head machine screws 1.4*3PM D=2.5 iron nickel plated*2
Cross head machine screws 1.4*7PM D2.4 carbon steel nickel plated*4
Cross round head machine screws 1.6*5.5PM D=3 iron nickel plated*2
Hexagon cup head screw 1.6*6.5HB D3 carbon steel black zinc plated*1
👍👍👏🏼
Here's my Eachine E160 Review Video: ua-cam.com/video/Yw0aMjfX96c/v-deo.html
Interested in taking up the hobby of RC helicopters? Visit my website for helpful information: www.rchelicopterfun.com/
Purchased the Eachine E160 an was wondering what you would suggest for setting up the transmitter that comes with this helicopter.
No idea on the TX that comes with since this is the BNF version I got. However, collective pitch setup is setup regardless of radio used. I mention all my settings in my 3 flight modes in the review video I did on this heli: ua-cam.com/video/Yw0aMjfX96c/v-deo.html
Those are based largely on all my CP setup values which I go over in this video: ua-cam.com/video/O1L0wxzoqOU/v-deo.html
All that is based on the setup procedures for all Collective pitch RC helicopters in my setup & tips eBook: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Man I'm glad I am not the only one still flying with a JR 9303/9503. Thanks John
Would you build a 800 helicopter for me complete programming to a h1 gps to a rtf package. Really want something large that I'm going to be able to get more than 5 seconds out of. Really tired of wrecking nice models. It's always something. If it's not a set up isue it will be a mechanical and if either of those don't crash me it will be the wind or center of gravity or...or...or... I can always simply lawn dart it .... Seriously there is absolutely no one around here that really knows jack about these helicopters.... They sell them but really that's about it. Only one shop around here that could get one to bind. Seriously they do drones and cars but helicopters are like a mystery thousands later I still have nothing flying. Had success with the preprogrammed rtf 230 with a safe button. I can fly that....but they are plastic junk. Couple flights and every part will be worked if it's still around.... Tiny hard to see... Proper lights and or GPS tracker makes it too heavy and fly like dog sh💩. I have a trex500dfc I have been smart enough not to fly...needs set up.think I have a 200.00 top of the line spectrum helicopter receiver around someplace I would surely take a week to set up miss something and be minus a large heli. I have a dx8 gen 2. Would buy a dx20 need SAFE or GPS . Surely have proven repeated with 6 or 8 200 to 360 size that I don't have this down yet. Costs me like 100 a. Second to learn. No one to help.
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How do you set up the 6G on and off for Spektrum?