Downcountry FORKS - 2022 FOX34 Step-Cast vs SID Ultimate, old FOX 34 SC and FOX 32 SC
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- New #FOX 34 Step Cast vs other 2022 #Downcountry forks like the old FOX 34 SC, old FOX 32 SC and also #RockShox SID Ultimate side-by-side. Construction design, details and weight. Check it out!
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⌚Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:31 Fox Step Cast First Generation
01:04 2022 FOX 34 SC details
02:31 New 34 Step Cast
03:05 Narrower fork? vs SID Ultimate
04:11 Fox and RockShox Dampers
05:41 Fox and RockShox Air Spring
06:26 Travel Options
06:57 Weight comparison
08:36 Conclusions
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Nice in depth stuff man.
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I bought the 2022 FOX 32 SC for my new hardtail build and I love it so far after only a few rides.
I think the new 34 is an example of "evolution, not revolution". Seems like a good option, but I think I'd take the SID due to its comparative simplicity. Not everyone likes messing around with settings.
It is so cool how many products and reviews that you are able to do for us. It is so rare for someone who is not a online bike shop or sponsored rider
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By the way I’m about to change travel of my Manitou Machete from 100 to 110 o 120
Finally New Video.
Ive been waiting for your new Vids
Thanks for creating relevant comparison videos! Always able to find exactly what I’m looking for! Fox 34 SC!
Glad to help🤘
i got the new 34 SC on my revel ranger....its nice...you really cant go wrong...that SID is awesome too.
Just bought one for my new XD build. Looking forward to riding it.
never ridden any of them but I am not really into XC and downcountry bikes. I do have an older Fox 34 120mm on my hardtail setup more as a trail bike with 2.8 tires and I love it. Cheers
Thankfully the bike i bought last year has the "old" stepcast. I find it to be more rigid and stiff than my rockshox, but when i do hit a bigger bump it seems to work like butter. Not used to this race type fork. I also have a new 4 piston caliper i want to put on the front because the brakes complain on the north shore and i also wanted to put a 203mm rotor on it and i checked, i have matt black, no rear channel and the sculpting is on the outside so i am happy about that. It is a down XC not an XC. My other bike has a 4 piston 203 setup on the front and it works way better. The other major change is i went from racing ralph/ray 2.25" to a specialized grnd ctrol 2.3" and that has fixed the traction problems i was having. Once weather clears up and i can do a couple of runs before chaning the brakes, to have a sooner comparison, i should have a perfect bike, for climbing and riding down. Thx for your vid.
I have been using the 2019 34 FIT4 stepcast for the last 2.5 years and its been a great fork, but I managed to get the 2019 fox 34 stepcast performance for dirt cheap which uses the grip damper and its MUCH better, GRIP is so much plusher and small bumps feel lightyears better but at the expense of an extra 100 grams its well worth it!
I stepped past the 36, Casted the 32, Gripped the 34, it's a perfecr Fit 4 me.
I have a 2018 Fox 34, 2020 Fox 34 SC, and a 2020 SID Ultimate, all 120mm travel. The overwhelming story with Fox in the past 10 years here on the BC west coast has been creaky CSU's. Every one of these recent Fox forks as well as the generation before 2018, has developed creaky steerer tubes within the first 100 hrs. I've consistently had to replace CSU's every season on every Fox, which I think is a total racket. I switched to the SID Ultimate to hopefully be rid of the creaky CSU's and so far have 150hrs creak-free on the SID. I'm running two tokens on the SID and find it to be harsher than any of the Fox forks, but good enough. The SID came with the 2-stage race day damper and remote lockout, which worked consistently. In early 2022, I upgraded to the 3-stage race-day damper which Scott specs on their Spark lineup, and it failed right out of the box. Still waiting for warranty replacement from Sram.
I'm a 180lb rider on intermediate trails and wonder if the new Fox design has seen improvements with CSU durability. What about riders elsewhere, have you seen the same issues with Fox? Here's to hoping they put this issue behind them.
Can you make videos about low end brand forks.. like SR SANTOUR, minatou, or mizach
Excelente vídeo. Saludos desde Spain.
Good review. Hard to get the 34SC in stock currently., at least the particular spec I am looking for.
thanks for the awesome video. Can the new Fox 34 sc be controlled with the 3 step remote from a Scott spark and be fully locable?
i have the FOX 34 SC Float Perf. 120 mm do you know more or less weights saving I would achieve?
thanks
Just bought the new 22 regular fox 34… massive tire clearance. My 2.6 dissector has tons of room, maybe could even squeeze in a 3.0.
Anouther great vid. 👏
Hi there, can i increase a travel of my rear shock or replace with more rear shock, what is min and max travel can you add on rear shocks
Thanks
I'd be interested to see a comparison with the regular SC Grip fork. I'm always happy with Rhythm forks but want something lighter.
I’m very concerned about the SID Ultimate bushing play complaints I keep hearing about.
And what’s the fix for this problem.
Nice that more square arch on the SID
Helpful video. Definitively disappointing about the clearance issues with FOX (disk and width). I know some purists would feel that you shouldn't run wider tires and bigger rotor, but there are plenty of potential users that this design just turned away.
hey I don't know how to ask it but how did you start filming yourself? What gear did you use? Because my video production is the only thing that is keeping me away from sponsors (like elitewheels)
as usual, another great video. in your opinion, is Kashima really worth it? or it's just a gimmick, marketing thingie?
hey, what about suntour products?
Fox in my opinion it's top no 1 & it's expensive for me!I have Suntour XCR 34 on my Merida 120!& I want try Marzocchi Bomber Z2! 140 mm!what do u think about it?
Hey there! Nice content. It's great to see a Canadian UA-camr making mtb videos. I bought the SID Select as a way to make my older cross country bike a little more capable and I didn't like it. I find that the supposed low speed adjustment on the fork doesn't really do anything and with the proper amount of pressure in the fork for my weight I don't find that the fork has a pedal platform and it bob's up and down too much when I'm pedaling. unlike my older Sid fork which has a pedal platform setting. So I found somebody in BC selling a 2022 fox 34 step cast 120 so I bought it. I'm going to try that one instead. The Grip damper seems to have low speed compression adjust to allow for a pedal platform.
@@LoveMTB The SID Select has a very firm lockout and I don't like or want that either. I don't lock out my forks either unless I am tired and riding pavement home...I just want a pedal platform to reduce bob. The SID Select feels like it is all or nothing and with nothing, it is so open it mushes into its travel and bobs while pedalling at what seems like the correct psi. I like the stiffness of the fork and the way the bike handles, just not the total lack of lsc. I even sent the fork back to Rock Shox thinking something was wrong and it came back the exact same. Even without re installing the fork and just comparing it with my SID RCT3 and the new FOX SC 34 120 it is obvious the SID Select has no lsc apart from open or firm lockout.
Thanks for the in depth comparison. Are there any differences in servicing the forks, can both be self serviced or do they need to sent off?
You can service just about anything yourself if you have the tools and knowhow except maybe the nitrogen in some rear shocks. But as a general rule, Rockshox are much easier to service.
I ride a Fox34 and for 1.93 meter 90kg guy this is an XC fork for sure 😉 The 32 doesn't carry my weight very well in high impact corners.
Lmao i quit Racing xc because im 2.04 115 kg and nothing carrys my weight😂 I only do DJ in free time haha
@@LoveMTB ye 😂
Also, what's the MSRP difference for 50 grams? 😅
IMHO best RS SID is OEM Select+, just because of RaceDay damper in Ultimate...
35 SID can be rebuild for 100mm. There is Factory kit.
I have raced both the new MY22 SC34, and SID ultimate 35 for past year and half. I would say I prefer the Rockshox more. It is a noticeably stiffer, comes standard with 180mm post mount, and race day damper is excellent! Since I like to ride my xc bike in trails for much bigger bikes, I really appreciated the SID. However, the 34 is still awesome, and I am currently on it with my current bike, just not as plush or stiff. But It is about 75g lighter, since I am running 160mm rotor and no adapter. Can't go wrong with either!!
Stiffer fork can also be more comfortable. A flexible fork bind the seals, bushing and stanchion which make the travel harsh.
I’m considering the SC34 to put on my Epic Evo to replace the RS Reba that came with it. Do you think it would be a good fit for XC/light trail riding ? Should I look at the non-SC 34 ?
Thanks !
Any chance you have confirmed maximum tire size for the “new” SC 34? With rim width… Thanks.
I’m running 2.4s in 30mm ID plenty of room around it
Hey there. I’ve said it before I don’t know why TSN does not pick up your channel so informative. Also HOW do you get your hands on the latest toys??? Any way as always a great video, and I finally finished my Prone and maiden ride was the other day. Yes you were correct from your video nice frame and playful to ride. Later 🍻
@@LoveMTB ah if not TSN’s loss for sure. Looking forward to riding with you also :)
I have the SID on my Transition Spur. Was previously a Fox 34 rider (with Fit 4 damper) but I prefer the SID. The reason? Feels noticeably stiffer and costs half as much as the Fox (at least here in Europe). Super easy to service and maintain. I'm also a big fan of the Sidluxe rear shock.
And no issues with the SID like everyone mentions?
@@nendinosaurus,да мне тож интересно. Заказал себе SID Ultimate with 120 mm travel. Вот скоро должна прийти. И как она в эксплуатации и обслуживании?) Спасибо.
Hello . My Fox SC 34 is experiencing a small lock at the beginning of the stroke. This only occurs after a longer period of not using the bike. After the first use, this feeling of being locked at the beginning of the stroke disappears. It has remote lockout. What could It be?
Oil draining out of the wiper foam rings. Put the bike upside down once in a while it helps
I want to like the Sid 35 but I am completely unconvinced by the lack of oil volume in the damper. I want the Sid chassis with a more useful damper, because I like the ease of maintenance and robustness of the 35mm of the sid. I also like the good old grip damper more than the fit4, which is why I have the same SC34 (old version) as you show in this vid. If you get the chance, tell something about your perceived experience with SC34 (new) and the sid35. Also would be interesting to hear if the lack of oil in the Sid damper is as problem or if it's just me being paranoid about having to service the thing all the time.
@@LoveMTB Lower leg oil is one thing, 10 ml is fine, I meant the race day damper as you say. It's a tiny amount of oil that goes in it compared to other dampers. It looks so tiny and flimsy to me, but if it works it works. That's why it's great to hear from someone more brave than me who bought it :)
@@LoveMTB Cool, I hope he doesn't have problems! :) I usually put 10ml even it they recommend only 5ml. 5ml almost disappears right away.
@@LoveMTB Yeah I tried with 15ml but it's too much, but I find that 10ml is ok for all the forks I have tried. Sorry to hear about the warranty, it always sucks to be out of a fork for several weeks. Good thing you have a few of them! :D
Hi, what about stiffness of the forks? Can you tell about your experience here?
@@LoveMTB Thank you!
What about the prices ?
Have you ridden the DT Swiss 232?
Unfortunately no
I thought there was a recent version of the SID with a claimed weight of 1300-1400g.
Maybe that was without the axle though or I'm misremembering.
@@LoveMTBIs the relative lack of stiffness of the SL a deal breaker? Or do you think there are riders and trails its Good enough for?
If you are realistic about your weight and what you ride, a 32 should be fine. I would say below 175lbs and if you are riding blue green trails, not crazy gnar or getting air an average mountain biker, imo, should be completely fine.
10 to 20 years back people free road on 32mm forks and no one complained about flex.
Ever compared mid range forks? X-Fusion Slide 34 to Marzocchi Bomber Z2 to Rockshox Revelation? These forks are very good and half the price or 1/3 of the price of high end forks.
Agree they are great for the price, I just have to get my hands on them!
impressive weight numbers for both the fox and rock shox. I have always found the 34 to be a good all around fork. I am a heavier rider, so i am scared to put my weight on SID's anymore :) (broken forks)
@@LoveMTB oh, didn't know that, I had the older Sid World Cup (2008 blue) 32mm, 1440grams.
@@christeschke9844 it had carbon steerer tube so you broke it in connection between alloy crown and carbon tube?
@@esshoul the carbon fiber power bulge cracked
What about the Manitou R7?
one of the best forks out there. I hope @LoveMTB some day tries some of the Manitou forks. They are entirely under appreciated.
@@TeamCykelhold Been on the R7 Pro for a few seasons and that fork from top to bottom is plush. I'm a single speeder and it's the strongest lock out I've ridden but still has a nice blow-off. I just ordered the '22 SC34 but I imagine the R7 will be back on the bike before long. I agree, Manitou doesn't get enough deserved attention.
I don't have a side-by-side apples to apples comparison yet as I'm replacing the Fox 34SC with the SID Ultimate 120...hoping it arrives this week.
My use case is an Ibis Tranny 29 that I run both singlespeed and geared....it's also my go-to offroad bikepacking tourbike. I've only able to test the SID U 120 on another friend's Santa Cruz Highball, the common denominator is that we're both running custom built Duke Racing wheels with DT350 hubs (Same builder and specs...but different tire preference). The SID felt noticeably stiffer, and rode higher in the travel even while standing which for me when I have the bike setup singlespeed because it gives a really good platform, but I stand a lot anyways...its a hardtail. The Fox did feel slightly more plush, but both are miles and miles ahead of lower offerings like the Judy or Rekon....it's just a world of difference and the difference is small at the top tier compared to budget offerings (no experience with the Grip).
The Fox 34SC was my first jump back over to Fox from my last one which was 2005ish with the Float 120 RLC which later I sent off to a company (I can't recall the name) to replace a lot of the internals for upgrade. The only reason I mention this is that I find Rockshox service intervals and reliability to be quite better than Fox, and I could push those service intervals quite a bit further without a drop in performance. I didn't have really problems with the 34SC, and I've been through one service interval but the improvements that I feel with the SID Ultimate...for me at least are worth the switch.....I hope.
@@LoveMTB Its an older Tranny 29 (T-29), pretty basic frame but with the neat "party trick" rear triangle that allows it to be packed down smaller than a regular frame and purposeful for running singlespeed or beltdrive. The only thing that wasn't to my liking was the steep HTA which has been resolved with a wolf tooth 2* angleset and running 120mm where it puts the numbers much closer to my Ripley LS.
One thing I should note is that I really didn't want the select switch since I run a remote lockout. I know you can hack the 34SC with a 3 pos. lockout using a Shimano 3X front shifter, but I never got around to it.. The remote lockout is an important feature for me.
What model year Fox 32 SC? Is that 2020 or newer? I understand the latest gen 32 SC has improved stiffness, wonder if it’s still noodly in comparison to the 2022 Fox 34 SC. 90kg rider, so risky for me to purchase any fox 32, but would be curious on anyones input.
Perhaps the 34 SC on my Prone......
i have a fox fork on my top fuel and the first thing i did was remove the decals, but, i dont like branding in general
34 SC all the way. Not a fan of sram stuff :)
I prefer FOX
Can't beat my Reba, cause the Reba is on my bike! 😋
Only had one ride on the new servo wave-less bl-m4100 levers, but I'm liking them so far. And they're like properly sealed behind the piston, so winner winner chicken dinner.
Also new shifter sl-m4100 is really quite good. For now still miss double up shift.
But it's a clamp on version, so no more selling and buying stupid integrated shifters.
I'm so out of shape, that it's really a painful riding now.
checked my records, and found that I did 50km in January, then 3 months of heavy depression training and 0 riding. So onto depressive re-conditioning to get stamina back :-/
But it's OK, could have been much worse
Hope to get giveaway any one🤭😄😄
Can you give me that to me 😊
Downcountry still sounds cheesy .
Gotta get a better name ..bikes have passed their prime they're just trying to make something new every year to make money .
Great video though...really touch on all important specs.
Downcountry is just trailbikes
or u r sponsored, thats why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i just wonder, where you get many from to buy all this fuck en expencive stuff/?????????????????????????
well i would guess he owns a bike shop or he's a mechanic and these come through the door as stock or for/from customers.
Ну не знаю...у Rockshox как-то ебло попроще будет,чем у Fox 🦊. А таааак...обе вилки хороши)