Agree. Hot take: why was there no option for Rook to tell Taash she was unreasonable? Taash's mum tried to understand her, and offered her a term in their culture to see it what was what she felt.
"If it matters to you, it matters to me," I hate that line. The gender obsession is boring and people busting up conversations to self-centeredly talk about their identity are selfish. It's unrealistic that a self-obsessed person like Taash could save the world, she's too busy having an identity crisis.
She says “we don’t have time for drawn out apology” and then drones on about it for 15 min while doing push-ups and explaining why she’s doing push-ups and talking about feelings and her long history of working with pronouns.
Does anyone else think that part where Isabela talks about the other "non-binary" person and says how they looked so much better than her in a dress is the writer self-inserting? "Oh yeah, and this other character is JUST LIKE ME, and super hot, and the character is practically drooling over 'them' just thinking about it..."
That's not narcissism. That's being emotionally stunted because she never learned how to deal with emotions, and never had any real hardship in her life. Like seriously? Mom being confused about new-speak and asking for an explanation, rather than just instantly accepting it all, is enough to make you cry? It's that emotional and bad of a situation for you? Grow up...
That dinner scene is amazing as capturing the boredom of today's coddled classes. Sitting around an awkward dinner table, discussing non issues and one party escalating despite having no reason to do so. This was written by people who have never been through anything difficult in their entire lives.
I'm sure they'd argue that having panic attacks whenever they set foot outside the door and their own self-inflicted fake OCD/tourettes would count as "difficult"
It is DEFINITELY a self-insert of one of the writers. It makes no sense how we the player is supposed to root for Tassh when she was the one that escalated the situation. Her mother was actually being reasonable about her daughter's situation, only for Taash to have none of it.
It's been a while since I played Origins, but if I recall correctly, Sten explains the Qunari doesn't have traditional parental roles. Children are raised by the priests communally. This overbearing mother/petulant child shtick shouldn't exist.
That happened in Southern Thedas, that has nothing to do with NORTHERN Thedas...apparently..as that is the reason they take NO CHOICES from earlier games to use in Veilguard..except.."Who did your Inquisitor get down and dirty with?!"
The Arishok even push further into this point. The reason being, The Qun is an ideology in which it demands full obedience, but in return, it gives people a place and path they can follow. Like he said, "A farmer can only be a farmer, but in his role, he can choose to succeed or fail", not exact word for word, but pretty much this. Qunari like Tash would be sent for "re-education". Which in and of itself, I find confusing when it was mentioned in Dragon Age Inquisition because it was mentioned by the Arishok that the Qun doesn't force anyone to do anything, and those who join or leave, do so of their own free will. So why would they care about people questioning the Qun or the likes that they go full authoritarian and send people to re-education camps? Since the amount of people who question and abandon the Qun wouldn't be more than those who follow it and join. Which is why I point out that Dragon Age Inquisition is Bioware started to break every lore. And I know someone might try to say I am wrong, but if you look at Origins and 2, it's just so weird for Inquisition.
It doesn't make sense to even be the term she uses, either. We have binary code, which is part of why "binary" is so ingrained in our lexicon. Most people think of computers when you talk about binary. Why would she use something so modern-day sounding? They even bring up another term for something similar, and it's not just modern-sounding slang. They didn't even integrate it properly into the world.
@@emeryltekutsu4357you make a great point. In that case the mother saying that there is something similar within the qunari would be more on point. Like you said computers don't exist in that universe. Hence the mother is in the right while tushy is confused
"binary" means compose or made of two. Don't most of us consider ourselves non-binary then? I'm not male and female. I'm just male. I'm claiming only to be only ONE thing--male. So am I not claiming to be non-binary? The so-called genderfluid people are the ones who are binary, not non-binary, because they are the ones claiming to be composed of two things (both sexes).
@joethealternativegamer3935 It's not though cause you can't tell character's to f off with there identity politics bullshit like I would in real. They basically force you to accept that have to have all these cringe worthy gender discussions there way completely eliminating any choice the player has in the matter.
Exactly. Every gay person i have in my life just wants to pay their bills and raise their kids. They dont need attention. But non binary and trans folks seem to need it in order to exist. It’s silly.
Which at the same time make the daughter look even more unreasonable,because apparently even in culture where gender and sex misalignment is acceptable concept it still not enough
And afaik the Qun ( the culture itself, not the race of origin ) is extremely.... anti-individual. The individual person is worth sh*t in the Qun. Everybody is just a cog in the big machine and keep it going by obeying. So coming from that culture the mother was really calm and understanding.
@@Lion-D.-Garp From a lore Standpoint, this conversation wouldn't even take place. They have pretty much nothing to do with their parents anymore right after birth. But hey, in this Dragon New age people apperantly think Dragons are super cool. The beings who bring nothing but absolute chaos and destruction and effectively start a Zombie Apocalypse wherever they go. Sure people must be cheering seeing them fly over their heads.
This is actually perfect because it shows exactly what the agenda's all about: the ideology itself is nonsensical, confused and egotistical, and it expects others to self-flagelate whenever they've committed a "minor offence" that might be perceived as such. It's literally a cult.
It's exactly why I didn't buy the game and see everything that's been coming out the last few months about it having dei politics in it. Now I'm happy I sat this game out. Why she I have to sacrifice my sanity to appease there insanity?
@nappyk96 All the way back to Jade Empire, I've always been impressed with Bioware's writing, and they did represent characters from different backgrounds but they were talented writers first and foremost. Now they hire activists who pretend to be writers.
@@nappyk96 I play rarely most recent AAA games for that matter or when I do buy one I thoroughly check if they have some of this nonesense in it. Most earlier games which were not made for a 'modern audience' you can install mods on and play in 4k so they definitely have stood the test of time.
@@jovialnobody Well things change rapidly and I dont't think that those companies have the same moralities or prinicples like they used to. Even if some decision maker tried to hold on to those values they would be replaced soon. And for the younger staff, modern educational system told them that they have the higher moral standard. So you are ending up with those kind of products where inclusivity is above everything and they need to teach us a lesson. It's kind of ignorant and counter productive in my opinion, bc most people don't like to get preached on.
Interesting how the mother actually understands and says the correct description in their native language. But no, only the western irl pronoun "they" is acceptable. Great representation of the fantasy world lol
Every single response is affirming the daughter. Affirm sadly, affirm neutrally, affirm viciously, affirm angrily. You can't say "hey you were way too hard on her" or even "youre wrong." Its the illusion of choice, without really giving uou a choice at all.
If the BioWare employee that Smash JT interviewed is to believed it's pretty much impossible to speak up and say anything negative about something like this. A lot of studios, I believe, are currently suffering from a toxic positivity bubble. It was likely the same with Concord. People who didn't like the character designs were probably afraid to speak up for being labeled a 'bigot' and losing not only their job but their friends as well.
No option to tell the protected class that she is expecting too much, that she is wrong, or she could have handled it better. No the protected class is always right, no matter what. Look, here are 4 different ways the MC thinks that the protected class is right!
It's quite hilarious how the mother seems completely apathetic about if she's trans.Just Taash is acting like a child demanding that other people must act in an irrational way because of something she made up. They forget that Taash is an adult, any choices she makes are her own, so the only impact on her life is that her mum won't call her "They"
Especially when Taash whines, _"Why can't you just be happy for me?"_ Like everyone is supposed to congratulate her and praise her? She doesn't even look happy herself when she says she's nonbinary.
@zxyatiywariii8 yeah, nobody expects anyone to be happy for them, especially not for a random identity. Mum dad I'm a yogbidfener, aren't you happy? What's to be happy about
@@zxyatiywariii8 "Why can't you be happy for me?" I'm like, for what? What did she accomplish? Is being non-binary an achievement or something? I don't get it. It's wild.
It seems like the Mum is even trying to understand what her daughter is asking in order to give her what she wants. But because she didn't IMMEDIATELY affirm this out-of-nowhere claim of her child's, she's treated badly and made to be the bad guy
I'm still waiting for an edit of Taash saying "I'm Non-Binary and some editor putting in the family guy "Who starts a conversation like that? I JUST SAT DOWN!"
She also explains that under the Qun her role was being a scholar, she even politely explains what that means to Rook but even without that she was extremely reasonable and tried to relate to her bitchkid with terms she knew
I remember playing the first Dragon Age and after finding out you could romance another Guy I thought cool. I'm not gay but it didn't bother me and i thought nice because it wasn't something the game was pushing in your face every other second. It was believable. This shit isn't believable anymore.
Yeah, the difference is homosexuality requires no obligation on anyone elses part, trans requires modern medicine + modern ideology before it's even something that makes sense in universe.
Yes. In DAO you had same sex romance option hit on you and you always could say "sorry, not interested", romance option said "sorry. Cool, i'll stop" and that's it. This is why in dao teammates felt like real and reasonable people
I really don't have an issue with characters like this being represented in media, but in DA:VG it just feels like the game became a showcase for certain team members and "queer consultants" to trauma-dump and lecture players. Way too much of the narrative is framed as "gamers/people hate trans/non-binary" but no, it's not that. We're just tired of being preached to over your very niche, very specific life events or lived experiences, like it's meant to matter to us. We all have our own trials in life, some are identifiable to a large audience, others are very personal and as a result don't always translate to good or relatable stories. Especially when they're as amateur and hamfisted as the writing in this game
Agree. Just look at DAI. It had a trans character who you could ask questions or just ignore the topic altogether. The conversation with Krem wasn't nearly this ham-fisted or obnoxious and actually made you feel sympathy for the character. It also helped that Krem was a likable character. This. This just isn't it. I've even seen a couple of trans YTubers who've made videos about how they dislike DAV's representation of them and they both hated the scene with Isobela.
I don't think the writer intended for us to see Taash as a self-centered adult-child - but that's exactly how 'they' come across. Pretty much anyone who acts like Taash comes off as a child that wants us to believe their imaginary friend IS real and if we don't acknowledge or believe their imaginary friend is real, then 'that's our problem'.
Taash's mother even mentions the in-game term for it (aqun-athlok), yet it's still not enough for that oversized brat! Picking a Qunari to portray this type of thing makes no sense whatsoever since they do not seem to have an issue with it to begin with (at least according to Bull in Inquisition)!
This term refers to a transsexual person though. Non-binary (enby) is not the same as transsexual. A non-binary is stuck between two genders and neither of them fits and would make them happy. They are unfortunately double fucked by fate. Daywalkers between two genders, so to speak. Not defending Taash (and neither their mom), it's a topic awfully handled by Bioware, maybe because Bioware writers probably don't understand Enby people themselves. I'm very sad they fucked up representation so badly, especially after their trans representation with Krem in Inquisition was so much better handled.
Holy crap i heard it was bad but never could of imagined how preachy and politically motivated this was. It's not just bad writing it's cringe lgbt ideological propaganda. Well done blowing this up.
Trans/gender ideology is distinct and separate from (and in actual fact in direct conflict with) LGB. The gays aren’t taking the blame for this fuckery.
Idk how more people aren't talking about how disgusting this is. Shit like this is what turned me away from the last of us. All this pandering and for what?
TLOU actually has good writing and doesn’t lecture you about how to feel about the minority characters. They’re treated like the other characters. There’s a league of difference between that and DAV. The only exception would be Lev and even that isn’t a tenth as bad as Taash.
I read a post on reddit about Taash making an enby cry because of how BAD the writing for Taash is and how much Taash sucks at representing non-binary folk. Not even the people being pandered to like this.
I find it so funny/ironic of not being able to disagree with the whole woke idea. “Wokeism” (i dunno how to call it) is advocating freedom of choice and speach yet anyone who disagrees and has a diffrent opinion is barated. Also the whole idea that a characther is trans/nom binary does not work with the setting of the game (world set in a medival inspired time). Also why are all the characters so cheery considering the situation they are in?? They are on a mission to stop two goddamn gods ffs
I'm a conservative Christian. I played Origins (multiple bi-sexual/gay characters) and adore it. I played DA2 (every character is bi-sexual, Justice doesn't even have a gender) and I loved it. I played DA: I (multiple gay characters, a trans man and more non-gendered spirits) and still loved it. I don't dislike it because of my beliefs, I dislike it because it lacks any of the nuance or soul the other Dragon Age games had.
2:15 The whole way she delivers this nonsense, and the way her mother reacts... These are *_NOT_* Qunari in any aspect, shape or form. The Qunari would have dealt with Trash *_LOOONG_* before this ever got to this point.
I was watching my girlfriend play this last night as I was playing Bo6. She was breaking because it was so bad and I couldn't stop laughing at her pain
Wouldn't Taash be immediately killed/exiled by the Qun for stepping out of line? Sten in Origins explains the Qunari as like an ULTRA-HYPER conservative people that have incredibly strict gender and societal roles, to the point where Sten couldn't understand why women were allowed to fight in Ferelden, since that's never even been a thought for the Qunari. They don't even have parents in the Qun, kids are just communally raised and then they get assigned a profession that suits the child best. Identity is basically non-existent with them.
Makes it easier for me pretend that it doesn't exist. Hopefully EA sells off the IP to another developer one day and they retcon this shit out of the series' existence.
i love how the protagonist has to deal with multiple calamities and dragons, demons, the end of the world. and they choose to sit here and listen to family drama? dude... if i were a hero or supposed to have the weight of the world on my back to save it... who would realistically sit around and wait for these people flop around mentally about stuff that shouldnt matter during an apocalyptic event.
That answered my question l. So in DA:I you had the choice to not recruit people and they took that option away from you in this one. I think I will just leave Taash behind then lol.
"I don't FEEL like a man or a woman", how are your feeling about yourself relevant to the immutable biological fact that characterizes each somatic cell of your organism? I get not wanting to conform to a social norm, if a woman don't want to act like a typical woman, well okay, none of my business but she is still a woman, it would be like having green eyes and saying "I don't feel like my eyes are green or blue", does that change the color of eyes?? Even worse, does that warrant you to demand that everybody describing your eyes say "non-colored"?? This is madness...
It's funny that Taash on both scenes just look bad. 'They' are either being a angry crying baby or just a plant not reacting or saying anything interesting. Just compare to the two other girls there, these two are at least talking something interesting or showing personality and lore while Taash is a just standing there not even engaging with the scene.
I’ve been a bit overweight and insecure about. If someone made an uncomfortable comment about it in front of our friend group, I would’ve been mortified if they made a huge deal and did push ups. Then again, I’m not a total narcissist
@@joethealternativegamer3935 Steam, it's all time peak was 89k, which is only 9k more than what Black Myth: Wukong is at right now (released back in August), and a tenth of the all time peak of Baldur's Gate 3.
I dont understand how eating the last of a snack is something that requires one to prostrate themselves to others. And in the game it seems to come off as if Taash is better then others, and should be treated as someone who is better.
Wow I never thought the writing was this bad! I honestly felt sick hearing that BS at the dinner scene 🤮🤮🤮 What's next in gaming's writing? Vote Kamala or die?! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
What's even more annoying to me is I know for a fact that if we all made a fantasy esqe game like dragon age and it a character blatantly based off someone these people hate like Trump for example they'd be bitching about that just as hard (if not moreso) as the people complaining about the modern day politics in this game being shoved down our throat.
What these writers, term used loosely, need to learn is...That Gamers are VERY accepting of things..if its presented in a GOOD story or way. I mean, look way back with the first Metroid...no one complained Samus was revealed to be a woman...then later games that introduced gay/lesbian characters..big deal, they was interesting characters. Their sexuality WASN'T their character. With all these more 'modern' games (and shows and movies) its seems they just want to focus on ONE aspect of a character..and that's it..that's the character...why bother giving more development over "Oh this character is gay...and we are going to spend all the rest of the time to let you know..this character is gay."
Just imagine being a non-binary person and playing veilguard. I would deffinetly be pissed cause the non-binary character acting like an annoying piece of shit that doesnt have anything makes them interesting or makes them feel like a person.
Barge is ridiculous, 5 push up from people who fought Dragons to emphasize apologize? They could make that scene better letting her keep doing the push up until Taash acknowledge the apology.
I wonder if that scenes are in the f.e. Chinese/Russian/Arabian version. Bioware: We support DEI and love the LGBQT community China: No gay or No selly-selly here! Bioware: Yes sir !!!
Taash is great....for unintended comedy. Imagine a movie like 'Spaceballs' being made by people who don't realize they've created parody but actually think they're creating some great sci-fi.
I like how all 4 dialouge options at the dinner scene are all the same, and you just aren't even given the option of disagreeing with Taash, and calling out her bs
I don’t even really care about DeI stuff. But it’s so cringe at a certain point. Can’t even be “mean” it’s so lame. These devs give liberals a bad name when they do stuff like that. It’s pointless, that non binary scene was so needless 😂 stop lecturing people
Self imposed physical punishment is wrong, it does not foster understanding or teach anything, its about compliance. I also dislike how the elf is not a character, but just a mouthpiece ''Yes some people might do that'' ''oh i see'' its so forced.
This whole scene is so awful, but the mother were actually good written because she have more manners and understanding than her daughter. Who to pick to aide with: a yelling woman or a mother who can control her emotions?… idk /s
Taash is not really a character, if she ever was intended to be. Instead, she is a vessel, channel or focal point (depending on the situation) for the whatever identity politics, messaging and/or virtue signaling the person who wrote her or directed her writers wanted to convey. As such, she is completely devoid of any substance: her dialogue, in any situation that doesn't touch this messaging, is amateurish, childish-sounding and too modern for a medieval-like fantasy game. Additionally, despite being a big, strong, fire-breathing warrior, she is constantly coddled and protected by those around her as if she was a helpless, fragile child. It's not a great mystery if you've heard of "Corrine Busch", the "trans" game director of Veilguard. In an interview, he stated that the character he most identified with was Taash. Coincidence? I think not, especially after SmashJT's article about the long conversation he had with an anonymous source from within Bioware. The details he provided are eye opening and jaw dropping.
I unironically had someone tell me today that I cannot be a ‘trans ally’ (I never mentioned anything about allyship but okay) unless I accept both Krem AND Taash cause Taash has been ‘through a lot of struggles’ lmao struggles
I don't like that you're not given any opportunity to offer pushback. Or even to just remain neutral. All of the dialog options wind up being variations of "Poor Taash, the stunning and brave, there there..." How about an option that says, "You didn't really give your mother a chance to process that." Or a snarky, "That went well." Or how about throwing up your hands and saying, "This is between you and your mom, I'm staying out of it!" No, all of your options wind up affirming her (oh, sorry..."THEM") in this ongoing meltdown. Give us an opt-out FFS! At the very least, we are robbed as players of agency and simply along for the ride. And in an RPG, that's just sloppy, agenda-driven writing. As a former manager in the "outside world", I would bump up against this occasionally. As diplomatically as I could, I would simply assert, "What you do on your own time with consenting adults is your business. When you're on the clock, all that shit gets left out there. Are we clear?" I never had an instance of anyone who wanted to keep their job push it any further. Of course, when I was managing, they were different times (about 20 years or so ago now.) Nowadays, it would probably be ME being hauled down to HR to answer for being "insensitive", which is 100% bovine excrement.
It's interesting the dialogue option at 3:20 - the ONLY options are to support the companion? The disjointed topic and the bad writing aside, why can't you be more neutral or even antagonistic like you usually can with every other Bioware game? Maybe even an option to support Tash, but say the situation was handled incorrectly, because clearly it wasn't. But it's so on rails, and they removed player agency, it seems.
@joethealternativegamer3935 Right! It's one thing to shoehorn this topic into the game - okay sure, fine. But it's another you can't have any say in how your character reacts to it? It's really insult added to injury as far as how to treat the player.
one of the things that irked me the most about these scenes is the response choices your character is given. They all pander to Taash and there is no real way to reason or show an alternate view. Where as in other games like Baldur's Gate or even past Dragon Age games you can disagree or introduce further conflict into the situation. Veilguard is so flat and uninteresting.
I am playing through it now and Taash is the worst written character I have ever seen in a video game. I have been gaming for 40+ years. All of her companion quests are the worst part of the game. If they were trying to get me to sympathize with transgendered people, it does a horrible job. What's the worst part is my Rook has to go along with it. I want an option that says "Fuck off Taash" I don't need a Dragon Hunter. I played enough Dragon Age games, I am the Dragon Slayer.
Here from Alteori’s video. Watched 30 seconds until she mentioned this channel before I was like yup I’d rather watch the actual video she’s referring to..
Man, I remember when I first heard that Dreadwolf was going to have a recruitable female Qunari. I was interested to learn more about life under the Qun for a woman and pwrhaps more about the culture. Instead, we got this hot mess of a character who is just a self-insert and the mouthpiece for the insane people of 2024.
Just wanted to add, it's the people, not the company we should look at. Not sure why folks don't point at the writers by name. Same for the team leaders. Bioware lost a lot of the people who were the heart and the backbone of classics that bore their label.
I can’t stand the cringe of those scenes. What a shitty game. It’s a full projection of the developer’s Personal dramas and mental issues, which nobody cares about. Fuck that
So... can I demand a Bharv from these DEI'sters when they call us bigots or incels for not buying their game? My, my, how easy it is to demand respect when clearly there is no reciprocation.
That dinner scene is eerily similar to the one in Avatar Korra: The turf war comic. Both Korra and Taash are obnoxious on those scenes. Korra comes out to her parents that she's lesbian to Asami. Her parents accepted it. But the moment her father warns her that other people are not open minded, korra flips out. Then calls her father a close minded bigot lol
Remove Taash and the game would be potentially bearable, I still won't buy it. But seriously every new Taash scene I see is cringier than the last. Taash is 100% one of the developers self insert. Also the voice actor is horrible, needed to throw that in too.
"Trauma Dumping" deluxe.. if Taash has a problem with her gender then Tassh has to deal with it herself and should not dump her anxiety on her Party.. to make it their issue plus: i dont want to "play" a dinner scene where noone is killed or in danger or progresses the story in no game.. woke or not =D
Its like someone had a check mark list of how NOT to do a character like this- and made sure the whole story was so frustratingly immersion breaking of all the characters in the cast. I noticed right away how awkward Taash looked during the Bharv scene. Glad you pointed it out. The whole act was framed suspiciously like the character is *bowing/groveling* in the direction of the offended. Which looks like the very thing Isabella said this was to avoid, making it a huge deal, and embarrassing the *victim* by going overboard. Nobody checked on if Taash even wanted that- until it was over. Which put them in such an awkward position. Cringe to the max!! Is....Taash rage bait? The name is just 1 wrong letter from.. T *r* ash. I can't unsee it once I noticed. Whether they were serious or not, the whole thing just feels meanspirited.
I love the fact that people have a voice now and can rightly speak up their minds when it comes to disliking something. While I think there are plenty of people out there on both "sides" of the controversy regarding this game that just parrot a couple of points and manipulated truth, I think there are far more people that want to see the truth. And frankly this in game footage is more than enough for me.
Writing terrible caricatures like Taash feels like anti-trans/nonbinary sentiment. :/ As someone who falls under the nonbinary umbrella, I hate how bad portrayals like this stoke hatred and prejudice. Writers are obligated to be respectful to their "target audience" than this insulting bullshit.
The issues I have with Taash is that she's a Qunari "Dragon Hunter", but acts like a 16 year old teenager, it's frustrating and annoying af. She looks cool af and has cool abilities, but for God's sake... She wears accessories from the Qun and when the MC points that out she just says "Just because I'm wearing doesn't mean you get to choose for me." Like what!?! Also Bellara is so freaking annoying as well...this is not a dark fantasy, it's something else...something weird
The single biggest problem is the inability to be mean. All the responses to the dinner scene were defending, supporting, or comforting Taash. Not one was telling her to shut up. How is it a role playing game when you're only allowed to play one role?
I have never seen a franchise that the first game dragon age origins is a classic game, And then you have dragon age 2 even though it has floss I still liked it because it really seemed like they were trying to reboot the series and then dragon age Inquisition, I think it's a really good game, it was the biggest dragon age game at the time but overall it was enjoyable and I even haven't played the new dragon age vanguard because honestly I'm scared to death that I won't like it, you would think by now companies know that if you go woke you go broke nobody wants to deal with identity politics in video games,
A game like this is the result of us as gamers, as consumers as fans, NOT having gate kept gaming, our spaces and our hobbies enough against these activists making, writing and producing our games. I and many others have been warning about this since the Feminist Frequency/gamer gate days that we needed to push back hard against this sort of stuff in gaming or in media overall... and look at where we are now. I know the word has been overused, but a game like Veilguard is what we call ''woke''. It's sad that it takes games like this and for studios to close and franchises to be ruined for people to wake up and see that the ''anti-woke'' crowd was right all along... but now we're so deep in with stuff like Sweet Baby Inc. being in positions of power in the industry, corrupt gaming ''journalists'' who give woke games glowing reviews to push and agenda and DEI hires ruining amazing studios from the inside. We need to heal gaming again, and that starts with speaking up, voting with your wallet and kicking these activists out of our spaces. Btw, I LOVE how you kept calling Taash ''her''.. an absolute sigma grindset move right there! 🤣 Keep being based mate, great vid!
5:00 I'm 100% convinced that is the case. If you combine this scene with others that features Tash and this topic it very much comes off as a wish fufillment. "Than I told my mom off! And than I DeStRoYeD that other a**hole!"
Hot take: The Mom did nothing wrong.
Just like Magnus and Perturubo.
Room temperture take. About an alfredo on spicy salsa scale.
@@bakedsith5046 always trust mama!
Nah that's a below-zero cold take
Agree.
Hot take: why was there no option for Rook to tell Taash she was unreasonable?
Taash's mum tried to understand her, and offered her a term in their culture to see it what was what she felt.
I love how this Taash character is basically a poster child of cringe and failure of this game
@@fieryapple7020 yes lol
@fieryapple7020 bioware should name "her" tRaash
Yes she is 😂
@@Corina098 Maybe the writer who came up with the name wanted to make a subtle jab at the character heehee
listen to them talking is just so tiresome
"If it matters to you, it matters to me," I hate that line. The gender obsession is boring and people busting up conversations to self-centeredly talk about their identity are selfish. It's unrealistic that a self-obsessed person like Taash could save the world, she's too busy having an identity crisis.
@@pagetvido1850 great point!
For action heroes they also have real trouble doing just ten pushups.
And with they I mean both ;)
She says “we don’t have time for drawn out apology” and then drones on about it for 15 min while doing push-ups and explaining why she’s doing push-ups and talking about feelings and her long history of working with pronouns.
Does anyone else think that part where Isabela talks about the other "non-binary" person and says how they looked so much better than her in a dress is the writer self-inserting?
"Oh yeah, and this other character is JUST LIKE ME, and super hot, and the character is practically drooling over 'them' just thinking about it..."
yeah real heros dont give a shit about themself or self issues fr
Mom was trying to understand and remained polite. Taash was rude the whole time and totally disrespected her mother. Self-centered.
@@Jestloo mom of the year!
Tal Vashoth moment
not just the mom, SHE literally being rude to everyone in the game, yet expect people to respect HER. this is speak a lot about the writing team.
Taash = If narcissism was a person
This game is full of self-inserts
Seems like it!
I guess the dinner scene is based of their experience.
That's not narcissism. That's being emotionally stunted because she never learned how to deal with emotions, and never had any real hardship in her life. Like seriously? Mom being confused about new-speak and asking for an explanation, rather than just instantly accepting it all, is enough to make you cry? It's that emotional and bad of a situation for you? Grow up...
That dinner scene is amazing as capturing the boredom of today's coddled classes. Sitting around an awkward dinner table, discussing non issues and one party escalating despite having no reason to do so.
This was written by people who have never been through anything difficult in their entire lives.
@@plantemor great point and observation
I'm sure they'd argue that having panic attacks whenever they set foot outside the door and their own self-inflicted fake OCD/tourettes would count as "difficult"
exactly!
It is DEFINITELY a self-insert of one of the writers. It makes no sense how we the player is supposed to root for Tassh when she was the one that escalated the situation. Her mother was actually being reasonable about her daughter's situation, only for Taash to have none of it.
Have you seen all the scenes of these character drinking coffe?
It's been a while since I played Origins, but if I recall correctly, Sten explains the Qunari doesn't have traditional parental roles. Children are raised by the priests communally. This overbearing mother/petulant child shtick shouldn't exist.
Interesting point!
You think any of the devs ever bothered to read into the lore?
That happened in Southern Thedas, that has nothing to do with NORTHERN Thedas...apparently..as that is the reason they take NO CHOICES from earlier games to use in Veilguard..except.."Who did your Inquisitor get down and dirty with?!"
The Arishok even push further into this point. The reason being, The Qun is an ideology in which it demands full obedience, but in return, it gives people a place and path they can follow. Like he said, "A farmer can only be a farmer, but in his role, he can choose to succeed or fail", not exact word for word, but pretty much this.
Qunari like Tash would be sent for "re-education". Which in and of itself, I find confusing when it was mentioned in Dragon Age Inquisition because it was mentioned by the Arishok that the Qun doesn't force anyone to do anything, and those who join or leave, do so of their own free will. So why would they care about people questioning the Qun or the likes that they go full authoritarian and send people to re-education camps? Since the amount of people who question and abandon the Qun wouldn't be more than those who follow it and join.
Which is why I point out that Dragon Age Inquisition is Bioware started to break every lore. And I know someone might try to say I am wrong, but if you look at Origins and 2, it's just so weird for Inquisition.
Didn't played veilguard (don't plan either), but maybe Tash is a Tal-Vashoth ? they don't follow the Qun
"Im non-binary" "what does that mean" "its means im non-binary" thats called circular reasoning and its illogical.
You get it!
It's the same with "what is a woman?" "Everyone who identifies as a woman."
🙄
It doesn't make sense to even be the term she uses, either.
We have binary code, which is part of why "binary" is so ingrained in our lexicon. Most people think of computers when you talk about binary.
Why would she use something so modern-day sounding? They even bring up another term for something similar, and it's not just modern-sounding slang. They didn't even integrate it properly into the world.
@@emeryltekutsu4357you make a great point. In that case the mother saying that there is something similar within the qunari would be more on point. Like you said computers don't exist in that universe. Hence the mother is in the right while tushy is confused
"binary" means compose or made of two. Don't most of us consider ourselves non-binary then? I'm not male and female. I'm just male. I'm claiming only to be only ONE thing--male. So am I not claiming to be non-binary?
The so-called genderfluid people are the ones who are binary, not non-binary, because they are the ones claiming to be composed of two things (both sexes).
Like every character has to cater to the trans character feelings....fuck that
@@cappn_ronaldo just like in real life lol
@joethealternativegamer3935 It's not though cause you can't tell character's to f off with there identity politics bullshit like I would in real. They basically force you to accept that have to have all these cringe worthy gender discussions there way completely eliminating any choice the player has in the matter.
Exactly. Every gay person i have in my life just wants to pay their bills and raise their kids. They dont need attention. But non binary and trans folks seem to need it in order to exist. It’s silly.
The mom was being super nice, even offering a cultural term for the daughters feelings
@@DexDexter0 yes!
Which at the same time make the daughter look even more unreasonable,because apparently even in culture where gender and sex misalignment is acceptable concept it still not enough
The goalposts these radicals have for acceptance are just continuously moved, it's a powerplay.
And afaik the Qun ( the culture itself, not the race of origin ) is extremely.... anti-individual. The individual person is worth sh*t in the Qun. Everybody is just a cog in the big machine and keep it going by obeying. So coming from that culture the mother was really calm and understanding.
@@Lion-D.-Garp From a lore Standpoint, this conversation wouldn't even take place. They have pretty much nothing to do with their parents anymore right after birth. But hey, in this Dragon New age people apperantly think Dragons are super cool. The beings who bring nothing but absolute chaos and destruction and effectively start a Zombie Apocalypse wherever they go.
Sure people must be cheering seeing them fly over their heads.
bioware has successfully given me dyslexia because I consistently misread Taash as Trash 💀
Hahahahahha
We all do.
She is trash. Just like the game.
Trash, the non-buynary of Dragqueen Age - The Wokeguard. 😂🤣😂
That's not dyslexia, you're reading it correctly.
This is actually perfect because it shows exactly what the agenda's all about: the ideology itself is nonsensical, confused and egotistical, and it expects others to self-flagelate whenever they've committed a "minor offence" that might be perceived as such. It's literally a cult.
Thanks!
It's exactly why I didn't buy the game and see everything that's been coming out the last few months about it having dei politics in it. Now I'm happy I sat this game out. Why she I have to sacrifice my sanity to appease there insanity?
@nappyk96 All the way back to Jade Empire, I've always been impressed with Bioware's writing, and they did represent characters from different backgrounds but they were talented writers first and foremost. Now they hire activists who pretend to be writers.
@@nappyk96 I play rarely most recent AAA games for that matter or when I do buy one I thoroughly check if they have some of this nonesense in it. Most earlier games which were not made for a 'modern audience' you can install mods on and play in 4k so they definitely have stood the test of time.
@@jovialnobody Well things change rapidly and I dont't think that those companies have the same moralities or prinicples like they used to. Even if some decision maker tried to hold on to those values they would be replaced soon. And for the younger staff, modern educational system told them that they have the higher moral standard. So you are ending up with those kind of products where inclusivity is above everything and they need to teach us a lesson. It's kind of ignorant and counter productive in my opinion, bc most people don't like to get preached on.
Interesting how the mother actually understands and says the correct description in their native language. But no, only the western irl pronoun "they" is acceptable. Great representation of the fantasy world lol
@@niklasfritzell6465 exactly lol
Every single response is affirming the daughter. Affirm sadly, affirm neutrally, affirm viciously, affirm angrily. You can't say "hey you were way too hard on her" or even "youre wrong." Its the illusion of choice, without really giving uou a choice at all.
@@laurendearnley9595 you don’t need choices this is an rpg… lol
@joethealternativegamer3935 assuming that role is "trans ally", it's an incredibly accurate RPG.
Yeah this isn't Dragon Age, this is Dustborn wearing a fantasy-themed costume.
It blows my mind that someone actually wrote this and put it in a game. It blows my mind even more that someone actually approved it
@@josukejones6566 and then people said this was good!
The main devs were trannies that's why it got into the game
If the BioWare employee that Smash JT interviewed is to believed it's pretty much impossible to speak up and say anything negative about something like this. A lot of studios, I believe, are currently suffering from a toxic positivity bubble.
It was likely the same with Concord. People who didn't like the character designs were probably afraid to speak up for being labeled a 'bigot' and losing not only their job but their friends as well.
@@joethealternativegamer3935 steam review still mostly positive
No option to tell the protected class that she is expecting too much, that she is wrong, or she could have handled it better.
No the protected class is always right, no matter what. Look, here are 4 different ways the MC thinks that the protected class is right!
No real choice
@@joethealternativegamer3935 Exactly . Loved the video man, got my sub.
@ glad to have ya :)
Yeah the perfect answer would be something like "bish shut the f up I'm eating. Hey Trash's mom, great cooking!"
It's quite hilarious how the mother seems completely apathetic about if she's trans.Just Taash is acting like a child demanding that other people must act in an irrational way because of something she made up. They forget that Taash is an adult, any choices she makes are her own, so the only impact on her life is that her mum won't call her "They"
Yes!!!
Especially when Taash whines, _"Why can't you just be happy for me?"_
Like everyone is supposed to congratulate her and praise her? She doesn't even look happy herself when she says she's nonbinary.
@zxyatiywariii8 yeah, nobody expects anyone to be happy for them, especially not for a random identity. Mum dad I'm a yogbidfener, aren't you happy? What's to be happy about
@@zxyatiywariii8 "Why can't you be happy for me?" I'm like, for what? What did she accomplish? Is being non-binary an achievement or something? I don't get it. It's wild.
It seems like the Mum is even trying to understand what her daughter is asking in order to give her what she wants. But because she didn't IMMEDIATELY affirm this out-of-nowhere claim of her child's, she's treated badly and made to be the bad guy
I'm still waiting for an edit of Taash saying "I'm Non-Binary and some editor putting in the family guy "Who starts a conversation like that? I JUST SAT DOWN!"
@@DJ_LilPaycheck hahahahahah
Tama was never in the wrong in that situation. She addressed the situation as any Qunari would. Logically and directly.
@@noblewolfe891 right! She seems in lore and Taash doesn’t. Why the writing contradictions then lol?
She also explains that under the Qun her role was being a scholar, she even politely explains what that means to Rook but even without that she was extremely reasonable and tried to relate to her bitchkid with terms she knew
I remember playing the first Dragon Age and after finding out you could romance another Guy I thought cool. I'm not gay but it didn't bother me and i thought nice because it wasn't something the game was pushing in your face every other second. It was believable. This shit isn't believable anymore.
@@Mick2K bingo!
Yeah, the difference is homosexuality requires no obligation on anyone elses part, trans requires modern medicine + modern ideology before it's even something that makes sense in universe.
Yes. In DAO you had same sex romance option hit on you and you always could say "sorry, not interested", romance option said "sorry. Cool, i'll stop" and that's it.
This is why in dao teammates felt like real and reasonable people
you can romance guy? as a yaoi fans i would love to play dragon age, but it's not on switch.
I really don't have an issue with characters like this being represented in media, but in DA:VG it just feels like the game became a showcase for certain team members and "queer consultants" to trauma-dump and lecture players.
Way too much of the narrative is framed as "gamers/people hate trans/non-binary" but no, it's not that. We're just tired of being preached to over your very niche, very specific life events or lived experiences, like it's meant to matter to us.
We all have our own trials in life, some are identifiable to a large audience, others are very personal and as a result don't always translate to good or relatable stories.
Especially when they're as amateur and hamfisted as the writing in this game
We are tired of the nonsense
Agree. Just look at DAI. It had a trans character who you could ask questions or just ignore the topic altogether. The conversation with Krem wasn't nearly this ham-fisted or obnoxious and actually made you feel sympathy for the character. It also helped that Krem was a likable character. This. This just isn't it. I've even seen a couple of trans YTubers who've made videos about how they dislike DAV's representation of them and they both hated the scene with Isobela.
Yup and it has the opposite effect they are aiming for.
I don't think the writer intended for us to see Taash as a self-centered adult-child - but that's exactly how 'they' come across. Pretty much anyone who acts like Taash comes off as a child that wants us to believe their imaginary friend IS real and if we don't acknowledge or believe their imaginary friend is real, then 'that's our problem'.
@@dantespimp all in the execution
Taash's mother even mentions the in-game term for it (aqun-athlok), yet it's still not enough for that oversized brat!
Picking a Qunari to portray this type of thing makes no sense whatsoever since they do not seem to have an issue with it to begin with (at least according to Bull in Inquisition)!
@@docmacabre breaking lore for preaching
This term refers to a transsexual person though. Non-binary (enby) is not the same as transsexual. A non-binary is stuck between two genders and neither of them fits and would make them happy. They are unfortunately double fucked by fate. Daywalkers between two genders, so to speak.
Not defending Taash (and neither their mom), it's a topic awfully handled by Bioware, maybe because Bioware writers probably don't understand Enby people themselves.
I'm very sad they fucked up representation so badly, especially after their trans representation with Krem in Inquisition was so much better handled.
Holy crap i heard it was bad but never could of imagined how preachy and politically motivated this was. It's not just bad writing it's cringe lgbt ideological propaganda.
Well done blowing this up.
@@bettergetdave thanks :)
Trans/gender ideology is distinct and separate from (and in actual fact in direct conflict with) LGB.
The gays aren’t taking the blame for this fuckery.
This was done so much better in inquisition with Dorian and krem.
Idk how more people aren't talking about how disgusting this is. Shit like this is what turned me away from the last of us. All this pandering and for what?
@@Foreriverricky oh the sequel!?
@ and the series. I’ve never seen a character sacrifice the way that Bill was in that series.
@ yea I didn’t care for that show
This pandering is what KILL Joel in the LAST OF US 2😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
TLOU actually has good writing and doesn’t lecture you about how to feel about the minority characters. They’re treated like the other characters. There’s a league of difference between that and DAV. The only exception would be Lev and even that isn’t a tenth as bad as Taash.
Wow that dinner scene is 100% the writers own mommy issues playing out in a dark fantasy game.
@@Dermetsu self insert moment lol
Nothing about the way they're behaving feels Qunari. It feels CW.
Don’t insult gossip girl lol
They're filthy stinky Tal Vashoth, what did you expect?
I read a post on reddit about Taash making an enby cry because of how BAD the writing for Taash is and how much Taash sucks at representing non-binary folk. Not even the people being pandered to like this.
@@ProtoManiac2283 cause they are sick of it!
Can you give us the link to this post? I would like to read
@@olalala439 post was deleted by the mods. It's from u/babygrogu posted on r/dragonage but the contents of it are gone.
I find it so funny/ironic of not being able to disagree with the whole woke idea. “Wokeism” (i dunno how to call it) is advocating freedom of choice and speach yet anyone who disagrees and has a diffrent opinion is barated. Also the whole idea that a characther is trans/nom binary does not work with the setting of the game (world set in a medival inspired time). Also why are all the characters so cheery considering the situation they are in?? They are on a mission to stop two goddamn gods ffs
Gotta be happy all the time lol
You ever think about how the push-ups are a suspiciously similar to laying down in reverence to an idol?
@@peaceribbon8322 bingo!
I'm a conservative Christian.
I played Origins (multiple bi-sexual/gay characters) and adore it. I played DA2 (every character is bi-sexual, Justice doesn't even have a gender) and I loved it. I played DA: I (multiple gay characters, a trans man and more non-gendered spirits) and still loved it.
I don't dislike it because of my beliefs, I dislike it because it lacks any of the nuance or soul the other Dragon Age games had.
@@nananderson7259 perfectly said!
2:15 The whole way she delivers this nonsense, and the way her mother reacts... These are *_NOT_* Qunari in any aspect, shape or form. The Qunari would have dealt with Trash *_LOOONG_* before this ever got to this point.
@@blackcat7k good point!
I was watching my girlfriend play this last night as I was playing Bo6. She was breaking because it was so bad and I couldn't stop laughing at her pain
Hahahahahha
@@joethealternativegamer3935 she already gave up on the game lol
Bo6? What's that?
@@DexDexter0Black Ops 6
Wouldn't Taash be immediately killed/exiled by the Qun for stepping out of line?
Sten in Origins explains the Qunari as like an ULTRA-HYPER conservative people that have incredibly strict gender and societal roles, to the point where Sten couldn't understand why women were allowed to fight in Ferelden, since that's never even been a thought for the Qunari.
They don't even have parents in the Qun, kids are just communally raised and then they get assigned a profession that suits the child best. Identity is basically non-existent with them.
You think the new writers know the og lore? They don't.
I bet most of the team have never even touched a DA game.
Vielguards tone is so off that it doesn’t feel like it’s taking place in the same universe as DA origins and DA2
@@Jay3up agreed!
Makes it easier for me pretend that it doesn't exist. Hopefully EA sells off the IP to another developer one day and they retcon this shit out of the series' existence.
i love how the protagonist has to deal with multiple calamities and dragons, demons, the end of the world.
and they choose to sit here and listen to family drama?
dude... if i were a hero or supposed to have the weight of the world on my back to save it... who would realistically sit around and wait for these people flop around mentally about stuff that shouldnt matter during an apocalyptic event.
I've seen so many peopke dislike this character to a point where they wish they can't recruit, dismiss or simply unalive them.
@@IamYasha10 wouldn’t choice be awesome in this rpg
That answered my question l. So in DA:I you had the choice to not recruit people and they took that option away from you in this one. I think I will just leave Taash behind then lol.
"I don't FEEL like a man or a woman", how are your feeling about yourself relevant to the immutable biological fact that characterizes each somatic cell of your organism? I get not wanting to conform to a social norm, if a woman don't want to act like a typical woman, well okay, none of my business but she is still a woman, it would be like having green eyes and saying "I don't feel like my eyes are green or blue", does that change the color of eyes?? Even worse, does that warrant you to demand that everybody describing your eyes say "non-colored"?? This is madness...
It's funny that Taash on both scenes just look bad. 'They' are either being a angry crying baby or just a plant not reacting or saying anything interesting. Just compare to the two other girls there, these two are at least talking something interesting or showing personality and lore while Taash is a just standing there not even engaging with the scene.
@@aqueleRu accept when her snack is gone lol
I’ve been a bit overweight and insecure about. If someone made an uncomfortable comment about it in front of our friend group, I would’ve been mortified if they made a huge deal and did push ups.
Then again, I’m not a total narcissist
@@damienruzco lol!
I swear, they act like self-entitled children.
@@negavenom true!
Ridicule this shit into non-existence. Veilguard is gonna cost Bioware big, peak gamers didn’t even break 100,000.
@@Lorethe2nd oh interesting, was that on steam or all consoles!?
@@joethealternativegamer3935 Steam, it's all time peak was 89k, which is only 9k more than what Black Myth: Wukong is at right now (released back in August), and a tenth of the all time peak of Baldur's Gate 3.
@@joethealternativegamer3935 it was just short of 90k over the weekend, and i believe it never cracked the top 10 for concurrent players either
@@Nodnarb59 It is currently sitting at 31 overall and it never broke top 10.
I love being lectured to in a video game. How fun.
@@soulure my favorite parts!
The Western videogame industry is a neverending Stonetoss meme:
"How will this help us sell games?"
"Games?"
@@eteline_music sales!? Lol
Why does taash sounds just as annoying as the girl from Forspoken?
@@0nepotential omg hahah
I dont understand how eating the last of a snack is something that requires one to prostrate themselves to others.
And in the game it seems to come off as if Taash is better then others, and should be treated as someone who is better.
@@diracsea4590 we all must prop taash up
@@joethealternativegamer3935 They/Them is a scared, blameless creature that can do no wrong lol
Wow I never thought the writing was this bad! I honestly felt sick hearing that BS at the dinner scene 🤮🤮🤮
What's next in gaming's writing? Vote Kamala or die?! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@doomslayer9513 omg 🤣🤣🤣
What's even more annoying to me is I know for a fact that if we all made a fantasy esqe game like dragon age and it a character blatantly based off someone these people hate like Trump for example they'd be bitching about that just as hard (if not moreso) as the people complaining about the modern day politics in this game being shoved down our throat.
What these writers, term used loosely, need to learn is...That Gamers are VERY accepting of things..if its presented in a GOOD story or way. I mean, look way back with the first Metroid...no one complained Samus was revealed to be a woman...then later games that introduced gay/lesbian characters..big deal, they was interesting characters. Their sexuality WASN'T their character. With all these more 'modern' games (and shows and movies) its seems they just want to focus on ONE aspect of a character..and that's it..that's the character...why bother giving more development over "Oh this character is gay...and we are going to spend all the rest of the time to let you know..this character is gay."
@@xVSlashx love Samus!
Just imagine being a non-binary person and playing veilguard. I would deffinetly be pissed cause the non-binary character acting like an annoying piece of shit that doesnt have anything makes them interesting or makes them feel like a person.
"No time for drawn-out apologies."
'Does 10 push-ups for a drawn-out apology.'
@@MrTaeDaniel exactly lol
@@joethealternativegamer3935 people also said she only did five. Literal half assed apology.
Worst "RPG" of the century: no choices, only propaganda
@@Alwaysttango that’s all I want in my rpgs lol jk
Veilguard was already crack, but i not gonna pirate it. Waste of my time, disk space and bandwidth.😅
@@Immortal-sr8gq 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same, even pirates have better taste than this.
Barge is ridiculous, 5 push up from people who fought Dragons to emphasize apologize? They could make that scene better letting her keep doing the push up until Taash acknowledge the apology.
@@carbonjustin you ate my snacks, push ups for you
I wonder if that scenes are in the f.e. Chinese/Russian/Arabian version.
Bioware: We support DEI and love the LGBQT community
China: No gay or No selly-selly here!
Bioware: Yes sir !!!
@@Lion-D.-Garp look at the force awakens poster
Taash is great....for unintended comedy. Imagine a movie like 'Spaceballs' being made by people who don't realize they've created parody but actually think they're creating some great sci-fi.
I like how all 4 dialouge options at the dinner scene are all the same, and you just aren't even given the option of disagreeing with Taash, and calling out her bs
I don’t even really care about DeI stuff. But it’s so cringe at a certain point. Can’t even be “mean” it’s so lame. These devs give liberals a bad name when they do stuff like that. It’s pointless, that non binary scene was so needless 😂 stop lecturing people
Well said
You should care more then because you not caring will only bring us more games like this one.
That second scene, it took longer to explain the "heartfelt apology" than the apology itself😅
@@haileelopez1938 bingo!
Self imposed physical punishment is wrong, it does not foster understanding or teach anything, its about compliance.
I also dislike how the elf is not a character, but just a mouthpiece ''Yes some people might do that'' ''oh i see'' its so forced.
@@flampagan1994 pushy forced and bad!
taash is the self-insert of the game director
@@elderroll4017 might be!
This whole scene is so awful, but the mother were actually good written because she have more manners and understanding than her daughter. Who to pick to aide with: a yelling woman or a mother who can control her emotions?… idk /s
@@МарьяМоревна-л3м I wanna play as mom lol
@@joethealternativegamer3935 not with a child like that
I don't know if the term already exists, but the thing you talk about here by the end I personally call "offense appropriation".
lol I like that
Taash is not really a character, if she ever was intended to be. Instead, she is a vessel, channel or focal point (depending on the situation) for the whatever identity politics, messaging and/or virtue signaling the person who wrote her or directed her writers wanted to convey. As such, she is completely devoid of any substance: her dialogue, in any situation that doesn't touch this messaging, is amateurish, childish-sounding and too modern for a medieval-like fantasy game. Additionally, despite being a big, strong, fire-breathing warrior, she is constantly coddled and protected by those around her as if she was a helpless, fragile child.
It's not a great mystery if you've heard of "Corrine Busch", the "trans" game director of Veilguard. In an interview, he stated that the character he most identified with was Taash. Coincidence? I think not, especially after SmashJT's article about the long conversation he had with an anonymous source from within Bioware. The details he provided are eye opening and jaw dropping.
@@TubeMage13 oh interesting, I’ll have to check that out!
Based off these two scenes alone I hope BioWare folds and never releases another game, including Mass Effect 5
@@hugedeal8611 maybe!
Can you imagine what they will do with that game?
@@turquesa_8056 yes I can, that’s why I don’t want it at all lol
I unironically had someone tell me today that I cannot be a ‘trans ally’ (I never mentioned anything about allyship but okay) unless I accept both Krem AND Taash cause Taash has been ‘through a lot of struggles’ lmao struggles
@@raskolnikovaa and don’t eat the last of her snacks!
I don't like that you're not given any opportunity to offer pushback. Or even to just remain neutral. All of the dialog options wind up being variations of "Poor Taash, the stunning and brave, there there..." How about an option that says, "You didn't really give your mother a chance to process that." Or a snarky, "That went well." Or how about throwing up your hands and saying, "This is between you and your mom, I'm staying out of it!" No, all of your options wind up affirming her (oh, sorry..."THEM") in this ongoing meltdown. Give us an opt-out FFS! At the very least, we are robbed as players of agency and simply along for the ride. And in an RPG, that's just sloppy, agenda-driven writing.
As a former manager in the "outside world", I would bump up against this occasionally. As diplomatically as I could, I would simply assert, "What you do on your own time with consenting adults is your business. When you're on the clock, all that shit gets left out there. Are we clear?" I never had an instance of anyone who wanted to keep their job push it any further. Of course, when I was managing, they were different times (about 20 years or so ago now.) Nowadays, it would probably be ME being hauled down to HR to answer for being "insensitive", which is 100% bovine excrement.
@@StarGeezerTim great points! And related to the game, yes where are the choices!?
It's interesting the dialogue option at 3:20 - the ONLY options are to support the companion?
The disjointed topic and the bad writing aside, why can't you be more neutral or even antagonistic like you usually can with every other Bioware game? Maybe even an option to support Tash, but say the situation was handled incorrectly, because clearly it wasn't. But it's so on rails, and they removed player agency, it seems.
And real choice? Why can’t I be a jerk!?
@joethealternativegamer3935 Right! It's one thing to shoehorn this topic into the game - okay sure, fine. But it's another you can't have any say in how your character reacts to it? It's really insult added to injury as far as how to treat the player.
one of the things that irked me the most about these scenes is the response choices your character is given. They all pander to Taash and there is no real way to reason or show an alternate view. Where as in other games like Baldur's Gate or even past Dragon Age games you can disagree or introduce further conflict into the situation. Veilguard is so flat and uninteresting.
@@136brave bingo! Where’s the choices
I'm definitely pulling a barf because of this abysmal writing.
@@Gharon remember to clean up
My favorite part is at the end when all the characters snap out of it, behead Taash, and burn and then shit on her corpse.
NOTHING I have seen from this games dialogue follows the DA universe. This is not how Qunari are.
@@devilinthebelfry7292 practically a new thing
One thing they made that is realistic is that they made the they/them BS as ugly as possible
@@sakethsonu yea and that probably wasn’t the intent
I am playing through it now and Taash is the worst written character I have ever seen in a video game. I have been gaming for 40+ years. All of her companion quests are the worst part of the game. If they were trying to get me to sympathize with transgendered people, it does a horrible job.
What's the worst part is my Rook has to go along with it. I want an option that says "Fuck off Taash" I don't need a Dragon Hunter. I played enough Dragon Age games, I am the Dragon Slayer.
@@thehaven3998 no choice!
Wait, I thought her name was Trash not Taash.
@@Horneroid my mistake lol
It’s not about woke, it’s about bad writing, you cannot go against any character, you cannot say “I don’t care about your feelings”
@@wakkhc6301 let me be a jerk lol
Imma die of cringe from this dialog it actually hurts listening to them talk
@@landonatherton4208 imagine editing it lol
The only redeeming thing is how hot Isabela looks... If that is a woman 👀
Here from Alteori’s video. Watched 30 seconds until she mentioned this channel before I was like yup I’d rather watch the actual video she’s referring to..
@@DrKumkar I’ll have to look that person up and thank them!
Man, I remember when I first heard that Dreadwolf was going to have a recruitable female Qunari. I was interested to learn more about life under the Qun for a woman and pwrhaps more about the culture.
Instead, we got this hot mess of a character who is just a self-insert and the mouthpiece for the insane people of 2024.
@@GreenDinoRanger thank god we waited 10 years for this!
Just wanted to add, it's the people, not the company we should look at.
Not sure why folks don't point at the writers by name. Same for the team leaders.
Bioware lost a lot of the people who were the heart and the backbone of classics that bore their label.
@@soldatdaniels8738 the writing teams are pretty big, I’m not sure who specifically wrote this stuff, so I mention BioWare
I can’t stand the cringe of those scenes. What a shitty game. It’s a full projection of the developer’s Personal dramas and mental issues, which nobody cares about. Fuck that
@@vanks1391 lots of projection!
So... can I demand a Bharv from these DEI'sters when they call us bigots or incels for not buying their game? My, my, how easy it is to demand respect when clearly there is no reciprocation.
Joe: "What are your thoughts on the new Dragon Age?"
Me: FUCK
@@filta994 lol
“It looks like a wound that never healed for that individual.”
Just like the writers who cut off their junk
That dinner scene is eerily similar to the one in Avatar Korra: The turf war comic.
Both Korra and Taash are obnoxious on those scenes. Korra comes out to her parents that she's lesbian to Asami. Her parents accepted it. But the moment her father warns her that other people are not open minded, korra flips out. Then calls her father a close minded bigot lol
Oh my God I forgot all about siphon filter
@@pvtmeepmeep it’s amazing! Still plays great!
Remove Taash and the game would be potentially bearable, I still won't buy it. But seriously every new Taash scene I see is cringier than the last. Taash is 100% one of the developers self insert. Also the voice actor is horrible, needed to throw that in too.
@@Boognish187 voice acting is so stiff
"Trauma Dumping" deluxe.. if Taash has a problem with her gender then Tassh has to deal with it herself and should not dump her anxiety on her Party.. to make it their issue
plus: i dont want to "play" a dinner scene where noone is killed or in danger or progresses the story in no game.. woke or not =D
@@Hariukin they were in danger! Did you see those undercooked veggies!?
Its like someone had a check mark list of how NOT to do a character like this- and made sure the whole story was so frustratingly immersion breaking of all the characters in the cast. I noticed right away how awkward Taash looked during the Bharv scene. Glad you pointed it out. The whole act was framed suspiciously like the character is *bowing/groveling* in the direction of the offended. Which looks like the very thing Isabella said this was to avoid, making it a huge deal, and embarrassing the *victim* by going overboard. Nobody checked on if Taash even wanted that- until it was over. Which put them in such an awkward position. Cringe to the max!! Is....Taash rage bait? The name is just 1 wrong letter from.. T *r* ash. I can't unsee it once I noticed. Whether they were serious or not, the whole thing just feels meanspirited.
@@Lithiel players - cringe/10
I love the fact that people have a voice now and can rightly speak up their minds when it comes to disliking something. While I think there are plenty of people out there on both "sides" of the controversy regarding this game that just parrot a couple of points and manipulated truth, I think there are far more people that want to see the truth. And frankly this in game footage is more than enough for me.
@@susaac9755 :)
Writing terrible caricatures like Taash feels like anti-trans/nonbinary sentiment. :/ As someone who falls under the nonbinary umbrella, I hate how bad portrayals like this stoke hatred and prejudice. Writers are obligated to be respectful to their "target audience" than this insulting bullshit.
I will say though the character seems shit lol 😂
@@jamespaul6315 could have done a lot better!
Did you actually buy this Joe? Might be too late to get that refund if so
@@mgiebus1869 not yet lmao
All of this is very-very offensive for DAO fans.
@@DepravedAxolotl the writers should pull a barv!
The issues I have with Taash is that she's a Qunari "Dragon Hunter", but acts like a 16 year old teenager, it's frustrating and annoying af. She looks cool af and has cool abilities, but for God's sake...
She wears accessories from the Qun and when the MC points that out she just says "Just because I'm wearing doesn't mean you get to choose for me."
Like what!?!
Also Bellara is so freaking annoying as well...this is not a dark fantasy, it's something else...something weird
@@NarutoIIPrayer yea forget lore lol
The single biggest problem is the inability to be mean. All the responses to the dinner scene were defending, supporting, or comforting Taash. Not one was telling her to shut up. How is it a role playing game when you're only allowed to play one role?
@@annienunyabiz6627 yea, where’s my choices!
Woah that first scene was so relatable and intense… as far as baby meltdowns can be
@@3emad.305 hahahahah
I have never seen a franchise that the first game dragon age origins is a classic game, And then you have dragon age 2 even though it has floss I still liked it because it really seemed like they were trying to reboot the series and then dragon age Inquisition, I think it's a really good game, it was the biggest dragon age game at the time but overall it was enjoyable and I even haven't played the new dragon age vanguard because honestly I'm scared to death that I won't like it, you would think by now companies know that if you go woke you go broke nobody wants to deal with identity politics in video games,
A game like this is the result of us as gamers, as consumers as fans, NOT having gate kept gaming, our spaces and our hobbies enough against these activists making, writing and producing our games. I and many others have been warning about this since the Feminist Frequency/gamer gate days that we needed to push back hard against this sort of stuff in gaming or in media overall... and look at where we are now. I know the word has been overused, but a game like Veilguard is what we call ''woke''. It's sad that it takes games like this and for studios to close and franchises to be ruined for people to wake up and see that the ''anti-woke'' crowd was right all along... but now we're so deep in with stuff like Sweet Baby Inc. being in positions of power in the industry, corrupt gaming ''journalists'' who give woke games glowing reviews to push and agenda and DEI hires ruining amazing studios from the inside. We need to heal gaming again, and that starts with speaking up, voting with your wallet and kicking these activists out of our spaces.
Btw, I LOVE how you kept calling Taash ''her''.. an absolute sigma grindset move right there! 🤣 Keep being based mate, great vid!
5:00 I'm 100% convinced that is the case. If you combine this scene with others that features Tash and this topic it very much comes off as a wish fufillment.
"Than I told my mom off! And than I DeStRoYeD that other a**hole!"
@@richardduska1558 lol!
What is the point of negative approvel from the companions if they dont leave or hate you?
@@MMORPGFreaky to coddle the player