So much hate and ignorance in these comments, didn't know there were so many cycling experts on the internet. Great video guys I love this type of content keep it up!
That is because you simpletons keep letting muslims come there and live on the dole. You pay for them to have food, housing, clothes, free health care, free everything, then can not pay for your own roads. No sympathy here.
Great video guys! In the future I would like to see (standard) hidden cables, bike comp integrated in to the stem, hidden integrated breaks, anti theft factory integrated gps devices powered/charged by pedal or wheel rotation, integrated power meter, condom compartment.
Movistar rider just got a huge cut from a disc whilst racing.He compared rotating disc to ' giant knives '. I strongly feel that road rim brakes are still good enough.
It's still not conclusive if the injury he sustained was by a disc. It's the Paris Roubaix! Bad falls happen constantly. www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/nikolas-maes-unsure-paris-roubaix-injury-caused-disc-brake-220964
+Joshua Friedlander of course Lampre says that - marketing over rider safety. Have you seen the photos of Ventoso? Looks horrible, and I don't know ANY other part of the bike able to do that. Discs are good for lone riders, but in the peloton, where 200 riders are riding close and touching bicycles happens permanently, discs are dangerous weapons. And, btw. they are not better than modern rim brakes with modern rims - the advantage is hydraulic over mechanic. The big companies should produce hydraulic rim brakes (as Rotor and Magura), that would be the best of both without the disadvantages
+fiddler on the bike I agree to most of what you have said. I'm just saying it's the Paris Roubaix. There are always serious injuries happening in that race. They'll make the necessary improvements.
+fiddler on the bike I had a similar looking wound from a front chain ring! I doubt that it was a disc brake! Chain rings are FAR more dangerous as they are larger and have massive metal spikes all around them!
Thanks chaps for some really helpful info as normal. Could I suggest a video on fast commuting bikes with mudguard bosses etc. I have gone through three bikes in four years cycling through very testing Cornish weather conditions on my regular 32 round mile commute! I have twice done the cyclescheme thing and currently riding a Canyon Inflite 9.0s which I thought would stand the test of time but sadly suffers headset bearing corrosion and the d.t swiss spline wheels that came with it also suffer the same problem. I have used local bike shops and online dealers to supply my gear and still cannot find the holy grail of a hardy fast commuter! What do you thing about a custom Kinesis 4s disc build?
It will be a dream to have bike measurements /Size sticker-ed onto the bike frame. So we know exactly what to buy (Not all sales people are knowledgeable and not all shop do a proper bike fit)...... and if you have longer hands, you need a longer stem.
+Virgil Hawkins Have you tried hydraulic disc brakes? Hydraulic disc brakes are not marginally better than rim brakes, they're MILES ahead of rim brakes. With hydraulic disc brakes I can easily brake on the hood with just one finger.
Good amount of information. Really enjoy your video reviews. As for disc brakes, as a bike commuter living in Seattle with all the rain I truly enjoy the disc brakes on my commuter bike but if you live in a drier climate I don't really see the necessity yet. And with the recent injury to the Movistar rider I absolutely agree with the UCI to ban them for the time being. I'm thinking that some sort of semi-circle protector that is attached to the hub and the rotor bolts onto with a lip that protrudes over the exposed rotor to protect from these occurrences.
This is the refrain I always come back to. Disc brakes may be marginally better but not nearly enough to change standards. It's like people pushing 1x drive trains, I just don't see why you would get excited about such a miniscule difference.
+James Butler I honestly just don't get it. I've never felt like the second gear on my crank was oppressing me in any way. Sure, the chain slips one or twice a year but then I get the hint to do some maintenance. As for the disks, I've used them and I agree that they're marginally better but I already feel confident on steep descents and I'm more worried about tires losing grip than brakes not functioning in the wet. If discs become the standard I won't moan about it but it just seems so pointless right now.
Each to their own. My opinion is discs have taken far too long to come onto road, 1x doesn't really work for road, Eagle might make it more logical, however the gear gaps aren't right to make it work, can't exactly run a 10-50 on the road!
+James Butler Totally agree there. These technologies make a lot of sense off road and I wouldn't look at a mountain bike without them. Heck, I'm looking at an cyclocross bike right now and I'm excited to be getting disk brakes on that. I just think the transition to road just feels a little forced right now.
its simple about disc brakes. Yes rim brakes are nearly as good in the dry but we live in the UK and its always raining. Mechanically they are far superior and because of that its only a question of time till we all use them.
Yea I'd never give up my mtb but really want to give Road a go I've been looking at a 2016 giant defy 4 in my local bike shop is this a bike you would recommend to get started with?
@BikeRadar: I like the overall content of your video (and other videos by BikeRadar). Two comments:1. Modulate your pronunciation better, speak more clearly, open your mouths more and don't talk behind your teeth2. Make it exciting! the content is really good - the delivery...awful, almost like two couch potatoes discussing the immortality of the side-walking crabs and how aerodynamic cinder blocks are.I hope you take this comment as positive feedback.
You'd think people who work with bikes so much would have at least some grain of a clue to what they are on about. Basically just give 'BOTY' to whichever manufacturers give the best 'perks'
The future of road cycling is that bikes stop being all about racing and start being more about enjoyment. Racing bikes are too uncomfortable for the middle-aged rider, so angles will be more relaxed to get handlebars at or above the seat... along with sloping top tubes. Steel and titanium are the frame choices; carbon is too fragile, aluminum is too harsh, and neither will last as long as steel or titanium. Disc brakes won't replace rim brakes, because rim brakes are disc brakes with a really large disc! Rim brakes load the frame where it is strong (at the frame), not at a fork stay or chainstay. Larger tires will be the norm... 28C to 33C.
Glad tires are getting better but sadly, the silk tires still offer the very best performance on the road. Technology still has a way to go in the tire industry.
Honestly, I feel like these two like whatever is being advertised at the moment. I've never heard one critical word about a single product in the 12 months I've been watching these videos. Each of these "discussions" seems to be an infomercial for selling the latest big name bikes. It's always the big manufacturers being discussed and they never seem to make anything that is not "under rated" or "didn't get a fair play". It's difficult to value an opinion that is so hugely biased and never… I mean NEVER… critical in any way.
+Selino Valdes They are, however, pretty open about the fact that they are discussing cycling trends. They at least aren't saying that they are there to make any critiques while only giving praise.
coming from a bike shop, i can say that your approach, - if i may say so- is not quite the best. - i mean the market trend is a good indicator, only of what's been, and what's been 6 months ago. not to say that these are'nt relevant bikes, just that i think that this kind of project is best suited to a bike shop, where you're directly in contact with the trend.
What future? Disc brakes on road bikes are doomed,sure its more efficient if you live on the top alpe d huez, cyclocross bikes being called "gravel bikes" ridiculous , nothing said about wireless electronic shifting. Just two oldboys burping on a leather couch....
So much hate and ignorance in these comments, didn't know there were so many cycling experts on the internet. Great video guys I love this type of content keep it up!
+Javier Valles Thanks, we will!
we do have miles and miles of gravel tracks here in the UK, they're called the public road system
In Ireland we have potholes the size of swimming pools
+Aidan Dorman In America, we have sinkholes the size of swimming pools.
but you don't have to ride through them
James Heath actually they ride through you - It just hurts a lot more.
That is because you simpletons keep letting muslims come there and live on the dole. You pay for them to have food, housing, clothes, free health care, free everything, then can not pay for your own roads. No sympathy here.
Great Comments regarding aluminum bikes! Would love to hear more about it!
Thanks for the updates. Keep it up BikeRadar!!!!!
+chris s (christo351) Our pleasure!
Great video guys!
In the future I would like to see (standard) hidden cables, bike comp integrated in to the stem, hidden integrated breaks, anti theft factory integrated gps devices powered/charged by pedal or wheel rotation, integrated power meter, condom compartment.
Very interesting.Thank you.Enjoyed the format.
What about aero bikes? They seemed to be the buzz for 2015. Did this numb down?
Could you do one of these little discussions on steel bikes
Movistar rider just got a huge cut from a disc whilst racing.He compared rotating disc to ' giant knives '.
I strongly feel that road rim brakes are still good enough.
www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/lampre-not-convinced-ventoso-injury-caused-by-disc-brake-220827
It's still not conclusive if the injury he sustained was by a disc.
It's the Paris Roubaix! Bad falls happen constantly.
www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/nikolas-maes-unsure-paris-roubaix-injury-caused-disc-brake-220964
+Joshua Friedlander of course Lampre says that - marketing over rider safety. Have you seen the photos of Ventoso? Looks horrible, and I don't know ANY other part of the bike able to do that.
Discs are good for lone riders, but in the peloton, where 200 riders are riding close and touching bicycles happens permanently, discs are dangerous weapons. And, btw. they are not better than modern rim brakes with modern rims - the advantage is hydraulic over mechanic. The big companies should produce hydraulic rim brakes (as Rotor and Magura), that would be the best of both without the disadvantages
+fiddler on the bike I agree to most of what you have said. I'm just saying it's the Paris Roubaix. There are always serious injuries happening in that race. They'll make the necessary improvements.
+fiddler on the bike I had a similar looking wound from a front chain ring! I doubt that it was a disc brake! Chain rings are FAR more dangerous as they are larger and have massive metal spikes all around them!
The subtitles are hilarious! "Well worn Rossiter". Classic.
Thanks chaps for some really helpful info as normal. Could I suggest a video on fast commuting bikes with mudguard bosses etc. I have gone through three bikes in four years cycling through very testing Cornish weather conditions on my regular 32 round mile commute! I have twice done the cyclescheme thing and currently riding a Canyon Inflite 9.0s which I thought would stand the test of time but sadly suffers headset bearing corrosion and the d.t swiss spline wheels that came with it also suffer the same problem. I have used local bike shops and online dealers to supply my gear and still cannot find the holy grail of a hardy fast commuter! What do you thing about a custom Kinesis 4s disc build?
I enjoy watching your reviews, keep it up.
It will be a dream to have bike measurements /Size sticker-ed onto the bike frame. So we know exactly what to buy (Not all sales people are knowledgeable and not all shop do a proper bike fit)...... and if you have longer hands, you need a longer stem.
Awesome show keep up the great work :)
+KAri RUiz Thanks! We will!
I agree, I want disc brakes and more Aluminum options... Good discussion with unbiased thoughts.
Why the hype about disc brakes. I know they're marginally better but surely I must be missing something.
+Virgil Hawkins Have you tried hydraulic disc brakes? Hydraulic disc brakes are not marginally better than rim brakes, they're MILES ahead of rim brakes.
With hydraulic disc brakes I can easily brake on the hood with just one finger.
+Virgil Hawkins in fact they are not better; what makes them better is the hydraulic transmission
Disc brakes are more than marginally better in the wet.
What about aero bikes and components?
Good amount of information. Really enjoy your video reviews. As for disc brakes, as a bike commuter living in Seattle with all the rain I truly enjoy the disc brakes on my commuter bike but if you live in a drier climate I don't really see the necessity yet. And with the recent injury to the Movistar rider I absolutely agree with the UCI to ban them for the time being. I'm thinking that some sort of semi-circle protector that is attached to the hub and the rotor bolts onto with a lip that protrudes over the exposed rotor to protect from these occurrences.
This is the refrain I always come back to. Disc brakes may be marginally better but not nearly enough to change standards. It's like people pushing 1x drive trains, I just don't see why you would get excited about such a miniscule difference.
+Virgil Hawkins spoken by someone who hasn't tried XX1 or disc brakes it would appear!
+James Butler I honestly just don't get it. I've never felt like the second gear on my crank was oppressing me in any way. Sure, the chain slips one or twice a year but then I get the hint to do some maintenance. As for the disks, I've used them and I agree that they're marginally better but I already feel confident on steep descents and I'm more worried about tires losing grip than brakes not functioning in the wet. If discs become the standard I won't moan about it but it just seems so pointless right now.
Each to their own. My opinion is discs have taken far too long to come onto road, 1x doesn't really work for road, Eagle might make it more logical, however the gear gaps aren't right to make it work, can't exactly run a 10-50 on the road!
+James Butler Totally agree there. These technologies make a lot of sense off road and I wouldn't look at a mountain bike without them. Heck, I'm looking at an cyclocross bike right now and I'm excited to be getting disk brakes on that. I just think the transition to road just feels a little forced right now.
How can you compare aluminium with carbon fibre?
is there a road bike for under 1500 euros without disc breaks that can handle 28c or even 30c tires?
its simple about disc brakes. Yes rim brakes are nearly as good in the dry but we live in the UK and its always raining. Mechanically they are far superior and because of that its only a question of time till we all use them.
and they're great for rim life too - the grit and shit don't wear away your wheels the same with discs.
Is it only in the U.S.A. that aluminum is spelled and pronounced without the extra i. It's though you make it like 5 syllables and we say just one.
+Steve Bullard Mainly the US and Canada, but either spelling is considered correct.
love my mtb but seriously considering a road bike aswell great video
Do it. Riding both on and off road is the way to go!
Yea I'd never give up my mtb but really want to give Road a go I've been looking at a 2016 giant defy 4 in my local bike shop is this a bike you would recommend to get started with?
Yes, you really can't go wrong with a Defy.
It's only April
I'm new to cycling but love my giant defy advanced 2
electronic brakes- why not?
graphene framesets?
Graphene is extracted from coal and it's a component of carbon fiber.
las cannondale están bien lindas
Disk brakes & tubeless can't wait for it to become common place on road bikes.
Thanks . Cool vid from bike nerd POV .
the thing I am mostly interested in 2016 is the new Sora r3000 groupset for us poor recreational riders
@BikeRadar: I like the overall content of your video (and other videos by BikeRadar). Two comments:1. Modulate your pronunciation better, speak more clearly, open your mouths more and don't talk behind your teeth2. Make it exciting! the content is really good - the delivery...awful, almost like two couch potatoes discussing the immortality of the side-walking crabs and how aerodynamic cinder blocks are.I hope you take this comment as positive feedback.
You'd think people who work with bikes so much would have at least some grain of a clue to what they are on about. Basically just give 'BOTY' to whichever manufacturers give the best 'perks'
The future of road cycling is that bikes stop being all about racing and start being more about enjoyment. Racing bikes are too uncomfortable for the middle-aged rider, so angles will be more relaxed to get handlebars at or above the seat... along with sloping top tubes. Steel and titanium are the frame choices; carbon is too fragile, aluminum is too harsh, and neither will last as long as steel or titanium. Disc brakes won't replace rim brakes, because rim brakes are disc brakes with a really large disc! Rim brakes load the frame where it is strong (at the frame), not at a fork stay or chainstay. Larger tires will be the norm... 28C to 33C.
Good. My father quit cycling because of that in, something like, 1979. Good to see his voice was heard.
Glad tires are getting better but sadly, the silk tires still offer the very best performance
on the road. Technology still has a way to go in the tire industry.
Only 6 comments???
Honestly, I feel like these two like whatever is being advertised at the moment. I've never heard one critical word about a single product in the 12 months I've been watching these videos. Each of these "discussions" seems to be an infomercial for selling the latest big name bikes. It's always the big manufacturers being discussed and they never seem to make anything that is not "under rated" or "didn't get a fair play". It's difficult to value an opinion that is so hugely biased and never… I mean NEVER… critical in any way.
+Selino Valdes They are, however, pretty open about the fact that they are discussing cycling trends. They at least aren't saying that they are there to make any critiques while only giving praise.
coming from a bike shop, i can say that your approach, - if i may say so- is not quite the best. - i mean the market trend is a good indicator, only of what's been, and what's been 6 months ago. not to say that these are'nt relevant bikes, just that i think that this kind of project is best suited to a bike shop, where you're directly in contact with the trend.
love the vids 😑
no more disk brakes thats for sure !
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with eye candy like you 2 lads why would anybody watch anything else.
+RIP WIG can't tell if you're joking or not. that guy on the left isn't what i would think is called eye candy.
***** i'm a terrible judge of what male eye candy is.
talking nonsense
Bad form, guys. What does this have to do with Bike of the Year? You've stretched the use of that term and lost a bit of credibility in the process.
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this is so dated compared to what Rapha, Rouleur and Cafe De Cycliste are doing
What future? Disc brakes on road bikes are doomed,sure its more efficient if you live on the top alpe d huez, cyclocross bikes being called "gravel bikes" ridiculous , nothing said about wireless electronic shifting. Just two oldboys burping on a leather couch....
+hn hz 1up for alu
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nonsense...
Road bikes are boring.
Disc brakes are stupid and unnecessary