My Likes vs Your dislikes on 2023 Chevy Colorado ZR2
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2023
- Ever since the new 2023 Chevy Colorado came out, there's been a lot of debate and discussion about a great many things. In this video, Publisher Tim Esterdahl talks about the new midsize truck using a 2023 Chevy Colorado ZR2 as an example.
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I'm 6'5", I own a ZR2 and I fit just fine. It has 1” less headroom and 1" more legroom than my 2006 2500HD crew cab that I've put 400k miles on, and I love it!
Listening to the GM engineers talk about the development of their new 4 cyl engine, it makes total sense why they went with this engine. It was built ground up to be a truck engine, specifically designed for trucks and to handle the turbo with durability in mind. I have no problem with it after listening to their design philosophy and goal with this new engine. I'm excited to see how it pans out.
I saw that too, and felt the exact same way. It's a gas engine, built like a diesel engine. Would I have preferred a 3L twin-turbo inline-6? Sure, but it seems to be ok to me, though I haven't towed with it (2024 ZR2) yet.
Your a straight shooter Tim and I appreciate you for your no bull shit videos.
Love the engine. I have the 2023 ZR2, and the engine is FANTASTIC.
Man, the ZR2 is a cool trim. I only have a few minor gripes. In my opinion, they could've made the interior a little more sporty/special for ZR2; similar to what Ford does for Raptor. I don't care for the yellow stitching (should've been black or red), and the seats look flat and uncomfortable. Any other small gripes are towards the Bison trim, so I'll leave those out. Great video!
I am using my 21 zr2 to haul drywall, plywood, 2x4's and many other things, I have no issues.
Bad ass
My dislikes with the ZR2 are; rear leg room and payload capacity. I was surprised by the Ford Ranger Raptor payload, especially if you are loading it down with overlanding gear.
That is pretty cool how they mounted the shocks outside and up now on the rear.
We previously had a 4x4 F250 and it was a perfectly fine beast, but we bought the Colorado to use as our general vehicle that fits in parking garages, tows behind our motorhome and works as a replacement for our Subaru as a daily driver with awd (auto 4x4 but it does the same thing) for rain and snow.
As you noted, for almost anything I actually haul the 5 ft bed is just fine. The back seat is small, but workable and I didn't want to haul around a full sized truck although I did reconsider it when I saw how close the price was for a 1500 sized truck and the Colorado. We ended up buying a low milage used truck and found the used ZR2 wasn't much different in price than work truck so why not???
I have had std cab with 8 ft bed through crew cab with I ft bed over the years and certainly enjoyed driving my various pickups, but the Colorado ZR2 does what I need and is just plain fun to drive even on road.
Thanks for the thorough review. I think the message is there are lots of models and options to choose from just pick one that fits your needs.
I have a 2021 zr2 with extended cab and it has a 6 ft bed and it all works
Have had my Colorado ZR2 for only a few months, but really no complaints to speak of. My preferred digital dash layout keeps reverting back to the factory default, but it’s a minor gripe.
Mileage is about 16, but I’m running 35s, so I brought that on myself.
I'm going to try and put 34's on it so the spare will still fit under the bed, did you have any rubbing issues with the 35's? Thanks!
I want a normal fog light / headlight button. Bumper built in steps, Proper venting for the rear differential, Less delicate air flow louvers in front of the radiator, Better stock exhaust note, The dang rear seats to fold down. Other than that I have 5500 miles loving the ZR2
Great viewpoints, great video Tim!
My dislike of the Colorado is mine still hasn't been built yet and I ordered it back at the end of March.
Excellent review as Always!!! 😁
I just got my ZR2 and love it. traded in a 2016 Colorado. My two biggest gripes is 1. the rear seat storage. My old truck when you lifted the seat there was very nice storage compartments. This new one is just an outside shell. You set something in and it falls down to the edge out of site. I am assuming some one after market will make the rest of it that GM stopped making. and of course the MPG. old V6 I averaged around 23. new best is 19. Every new vehicle I have ever gotten always had a MPG improvement over the older truck. I do understand this has more torque for pulling and lets face it more power means more fuel.
If you're over 6'2, no midsize truck is for you, from any manufacturer. As far as bed length, if you're wanting a work truck, no midsize truck is for you. As far as the Turbo Four powerplant, it's proven it's reliability since 2019 in full size GM trucks, makes more power and torque than the 5.3 V8. Finally, if you drive a ZR2, you'll be amazed at the ride and handling on and off road. No other midsize truck can match it at the same price point.
I got one of the last 2022 ZR2's made, right before this model came out. I am 6'4 and the interior feels larger in my '22 than the '23. Must be the sunroof, the wider console, and the thicker doors. I have no issues in mine. Sooo glad I got the last of the 2nd Gen. All new means all new problems.
Nice back seat center armrest, I don't have that in my 2023 Chevy Colorado LT, which is really loaded down with options. I used the remote start for the first time, and as I drove away from home on a bitter cold morning of 9 degrees, I began laughing aloud to myself, I never had seat heaters before. I like selecting the "Vehicle Info" - "Engine" monitoring the electrical charging system and the coolant temperature first thing in the wintery mornings. After driving only six blocks up the street I begin to feet warmth from the heater, that's a fast response. After seven months of owning my new truck (just broke 1000 miles)), I'm still learning about all the goodies I paid for like I have a cabin filter ACDELCO CF1184C located behind the glove compartment. I recently ordered new hood struts (On Amazon ($52), and LED Backup Bulbs (LASFIT T-T15) & LED Front Running/Turn Signal Bulbs (LASFIT T3-7443D) on Amazon. I live near the woods, so backing out of a 150' driveway with LED backups are Nicezzz.
Surprised about you saying if you are 6’2” it’s not for you. I am 6’5” and sat in one and leg room and head room was very fine. Similar to my Bronco and as good or better as other vehicles this size. Better than a Tacoma.
I'm saying a group of people who are all 6' and above in the cabin.
Well first off I like your delivery.i have owned many many high end vehicles. Omong them 3 custom f150 raptors 1 raptor R and still own a bronco raptor.with that said.this truck is fun to drive vs larger trucks.you can actually park it in a parking space.the infotainment is fast and clear.does it out perform ranger raptor.no but the ranger raptor remindes me of a maverick.the zr2 is stunning to look at imho.
Really can't argue with you Tim, I see the same issues. Getting in the Col/Can is difficult even for me at 5'11". Seems the seat is a long way from the door sill is what I perceived. I want a mid-size purely for cost. The like equipped full-size is easily 20k more. I do wish they offered better options for storage in the back seat. Meaning a fold flat surface. I'm not worried about bed length more about volume. And that can be fixed with a shell if I cared that much. Headlight switch is a non-issue to me.
Great review Tim!
The drivers side door rest for the arm was always uncomfortable, hopefully thats better!
Some of the comments are comical. You get yourself into a ZR2 and you will understand it is built for fun. Very well built and VERY off-road capable. I did not buy it to HAUL stuff. My only bitchs, No grab bare on the driver side, manual rear window and no garage door opener. That's it. I had the 2018 and just bought the 2024. Waited 6 month to get it. I LOVE IT!!
I have a new construction home, seems like a lot of builders are building oversized garages these days. My garage has a depth of 24’. I can easily fit a HD truck with a short bed in my garage. A long bed HD will fit if I didn’t have a big tool box along the front wall.
24 inches isn’t a very deep garage.
@@garysarratt1Fixed it for you.
They can take 2 inches out of the bed and give you more room in the back seat.
There is a heck of a lot to like. Some things I’d really like changed. 6” longer bed standard… little more leg room in back seat (but I remember when full size super cabs had less and the Toyota and ford ranger rear seats were children only…., diesel plug in hybrid engine… finally… the infotainment system should be exactly what is in the full size truck.
Diesel plug in hybrid would kind of be pointless
Thanks for doing the review. I did have a question about the transmission, is the 8 speed reliable? My 16 Silverado has the 8l90 and I’ve had to take matters into my own hands to save it from killing itself. (Aftermarket converter and tune after the dealer couldn’t correct the shudder issue). 52k for another GM truck with an 8 speed makes me hesitant. I haven’t confirmed but rumor is the new powertrain warranty is 100,000 miles.
This is a different 8 speed. It’s been redone per GM.
Agreed I like the ZR2 but I went with the z71 which fit my lifestyle
I just did a 1,000 mile round trip from Iowa to Arkansas with 2 motorcycles in the back of my 5' bed tacoma. No big deal having the tail gate down, just squatted the back down a bit. We have an enclosed trailer, but it's just more to deal with and kills the mpgs. The time I want a bigger bed is when 3 or 4 of us are going hunting/camping for a week and need to take all of our stuff. My brother has a 6.5ft bed with a topper so we take that truck on those trips.
Keep the 5ft bed and give me 2 or 3 more inches of leg room in the back seat
already spoke to a dealership about possibly getting this as my daily driver.
Likes styling it looks great . Dislikes no light switches , MPG for 2.7l just doesn’t make sense to me .
You realize it's lifted, 33" MT tires, right?
@@docholliday6285 the 2.7l even on lift should getting 20 mpg .. it’s not v8 , v6, etc There has to be more benefit going to smaller engine even on 33 “
@@joecharmley My '23 at4x has gotten 21.0 life on 5500 miles so far, what I don't get is the epa being so pessimistic. What I Love is the power this motor makes on Reg gas.
Well said Tim, nice truck and video.
does your right knee ride against that center console??
I have a 21 silverado trail boss and get 18-20 mpg's on average city and freeway mpg's 21-23 mpg's, I also have a 6in lift. 16 mpg's across the board for the Colorado just sounds bad for a new vehicle. Great video!
Why does everyone lie about mileage, unless you have a diesel your not getting that mileage on a trailboss silverado. Lol. My denali 2.7 regularly gets 23mpg. What's the problem...
No one looks at a regular cab pickup in a half ton anymore. I have a gmc 2022 that gives you the most front cab room of any pickup, even a crew cab. I get the 6 foot 6 bed and it weighs less than a mid size colorado so I get as good or better mileage. It still fits in a garage just fine.
Sharp looking truck there Tim, ashame it only comes in "station wagon" trim. 4 big doors. It would look so much better as a reg cab or a double cab. The shocks are staggered in the rear to keep the rear from wrapping. It makes it handle better. That "technology" has been around for many years.
Nobody buys 2-dr pickups anymore, that's why almost nobody sells them.
@@kx8960 no, that is not the reason. CAFE rules killed them. There are plenty of people who would still buy them, but the GOVT., as usual, gets in the way and ruins things, just like they did with our toilets and gas cans.
Who the hell buys a two door truck 😂
@@bigd2256 truck people... who use them as what they were originally made for. Hauling cargo. Times have changed, today they are minivans and station wagons.
@@bigd2256 Nobody, that's why almost nobody makes them anymore. I wouldn't even consider one.
dislikes: 4 cylinder turbo, subscription based navigation fee is very expensive, not many standard features vs the last one more options that bring price up, 1mpg better than last model only around 0.5" more ground clearance w 2" bigger tires & a 3" lift suposedly 2 more inches vs last model but only half an inch extra ground clearance
Man throw that 4 cylinder in the garbage and buy a LS crate engine and swap it, it's all i can think of 😂
Why is the 4 cylinder a problem if it has diesel torque with V6 horsepower? Seems like the best of both worlds! You don't need Nav with Android Auto/Car Play.
Just picked up a canyon at4x and this four cylinder is amazing! More torque than the diesel and more HP than the V6. Best of both worlds and pulls like a tractor!
Ext cab long bed is same WB as CC short box, 128"in 2nd gen or 131 in 3rd gen. The interior is a real upgrade from the 2nd gens.I plan on keeping my 17 ZR ECLB forever. What's it going to cost the keep up on they electronics when the warranty is done? New 4cyl has less mpg's than the 2nd gen V6. Off the lot it's assume, with the aftermarket it be unbelievable.
My dislike is the run around i'm getting from chevy with my order I placed back in May for a ZR2 Desert Boss. Was supposed to be built week of 10-31 then got moved to week of 12-04 and i still don't have an answer if its getting built.
All of these crew cab pickup trucks with the tiny beds are a replacement for the family sedan do to CAFE regulations.
My gripe....drivers side handhold..at my age and height the steering wheel is poor for that.
That mpg is horrible! A 4 banger turbo only gets 16 mpg? Unacceptable!
To make power, you need to burn fuel. Simple thermodynamics. It makes more hp than the V6 and more torque than the diesel. Could it be better? Sure.
@Pickup Truck plus SUV Talk: How much more is a Silverado Trail Boss??
❤Thank you Nice truck but I’m 6 2 220 let seat back still aren’t enough room God bless you
My biggest gripe is they got rid of the diesel. They are claiming the turbo 4 banger is fuel efficient but I know with the 2.8 diesel owners were getting between 23-30 miles to the gallon. There’s no reason Chevy couldn’t of reworked the new Lzo 3 liter , detuned it and dropped it in. I have now a diesel jeep wrangler and average 22 mpg. I just want the diesel back.
What about length? Maybe that’s why no 3.0 DM in the midsize.
The diesel motor sucked. Everyone I know with an older ZR2 (last gen) test drove the diesel and thought it SUCKED, and bought the V6. Now, if they put the NEW 3L Duramax in it (305 hp and torque to 495 lb-ft) I'd DEFINITELY wait for that and pay extra for it.
I want 6' bed cause I haul other things than wood and drywall, generators, window shades , tools and stuff that needs to stay dry on long road trips, perfect truck if it had 6' bed to me. I have 2018 Colorado 6' bed and it fits in garage and it's perfect! List me as a customer now with useless 5' brd
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I disagree about the bed length. It had a long box option in the previous gen. Make it an option and let the customers decide. Manufacturers would rather make it easier on themselves by only offering one configuration. To say you don’t need it. Get a trailer. That works for you but not for everyone. Can’t compare the quality of that tailgate to your 60s truck. I don’t want to leave my tailgate down while I carry my motorcycle because I also have gear in there so it needs to be closed. That tailgate unlike the 60s tailgate isn’t meant to be down with weight on it while traveling. Also there is no reason they couldn’t have a little more rear legroom if they are only going to offer a small box. Can have a short box or less rear legroom but not both. Having both is a miss no question. I do like the turbo 4 in this size truck. Don’t think it’s an issue. Think MPGs could be better but not a big deal. As far as lights i leave mine in auto in my current truck so I don’t care where the switch gear is personally.
For me it's the gas mileage, since it would be my daily driver as well. I travel between 90 and 100 miles round trip a day.
Not the vehicle for u get a maverick tremor
@@B86432 Would not even consider a Ford product as I had many issues with a 2020 Ranger and a 2021 Bronco Sport that I traded the Ranger in for. I am done with Fords.
You neglected to mention you can put the tailgate half way down to extend the bed and make it easier to haul plywood or lumber
"If small displacement turbocharged engines didn't work, auto manufacturers wouldn't warranty them, they wouldn't build them..."
These engines are not being built for the consumer for reliability or for performance. They're being built to satisfy the pencil pushers at the EPA.
I actually like the colorado zr2 and am thinking of possibly getting the 2024. I only have two gripes and by the way I think the bed is perfect for my needs. But, gripe one. Do wish they could increase mpgs and it would help as a daily driver. Gripe two and it is a small one, wish rear seats folded all the way down or tumbled downward. Creating more rear wall cargo storage. Also more under the rear seats cargo space room. Other than that, zr2 has everything I'd need.
I'm probably ordering a 2024 ZR2. What I MIGHT try, is get a small lift and whatever it takes (flares, different wheels/offset) to put 35's on it like the Bison (at 1/2 the cost) and put more streetable tires on the stock wheels to get better mpg. I have a feeling that if you put those kinds of tires on it (like, say, Michelin DEFENDER LTX M/S tires like I have on my RAV4, and air them up to around max pressure, you'd probably gain at least 1 mpg, maybe 2 or more. And, I've run these tires for years, and for all but crazy offroad stuff, they work great. Snow, rain, light mud and dirt roads, they work great. And so I'd keep the other tires for when I wanted to play on a weekend or trip to Moab. Also, the Defenders are cheaper and longer-wearing, so, no sense in eating your offroad tires up just driving on the street where theyr'e not as good performing as the Defenders.
@kx8960 I was wondering on the regular colorado zr2 if we are inching closer to getting 35s as standard tires.
@@morningdrums I would HOPE so, since the Bronco Sasquatch (I was considering one) has them, and the Gladiator has them.
You have a brand new truck, most people can even afford it
I have a couple complaints about the new ZR2. If you get just the basic model ZR2 with cloth interior, you don’t get a back armrest or map pockets. When in the hell have those been options? And it’s only available with leather interior which jacks the price up even more. The lowest price I can get on a build is $48,685. That’s with black decals and the tailgate decal package. It’s not a dealbreaker, but it’s just ridiculous.
Who care how small the leg room is in the back seat. as an owner of one of these trucks I don't sit in the back and people will not tag along because of tight space.
I agree - I bought my AT4X For me and my wife - it is not or purchased for a family commuter or work truck .
This is not what this model was created or built for.
As stated above the older, I get, I really don’t care to have a vehicle full of people telling me how to drive and what to listen to!
If I did, I would’ve spent $90,000-100K and got the full size version of this model. (which is totally effing ridiculous.)
Hahahaha
Hey Tim you said you bought a Silverado for your personal vehicle what engine and package did you end up with
Silverado High Country with the Duramax diesel.
@Pickuptrucktalk that's what I thought you would get the Engine anyway you said you really liked it pulling your trailer
Tim, if you were a tradesman you'd understand why we need a 74" bed like the previous generation had.
The longer wheelbase also makes for better control of a trailer. Considering my second gen Canyon with a 74" bed fits in my standard builder sized garage, the garage ability comment is moot
You are not the target customer for this size truck. That’s my point.
@@Pickuptrucktalk not the new ones anyway. Saying that, why even build a WT version them? Why is Toyota offering a 74" bed configuration?
I see so many gen2 fleet trucks. They have the bed configuration, haul the weights most need to haul for material and tools, and the biggest reason, they're cheaper and bigger isn't needed.
When you actually compare models there's a huge difference in price between a mid sizer and a half ton. You can't just claim the cheapest model half ton is comparable to an optioned out mid size. Here in Canada a comparable optioned canyon Denali and Sierra Elevation are 20k apart
WRONG. It won't fit in MANY peoples garages, including mine.
I don't understand why they need to get rid of the bumper step on the zr2 when the Silverado zr2 still has it
Rear departure angle. Silverado ZR2 is 25.7 degrees whereas the Colorado ZR2 is 26 degrees. Losing the step helped the Colorado get more an extra degree of departure.
Hate the fuel economy. I rather just get a full sized V8 then!
Same multimatic in front as well. Overlanding you need all the room you can get. That is why you would want a longer bed alone with the lockers. If toyota allowed customer orders then i would say the majority of tacoma sells would be 6ft bed. I never keep cars in the garage especially a truck
It’s a great little truck, but it needs work. Better fitment of panels/gaps, better materials used and stable software would bring this truck to the next level. I’ll most likely trade in my 2023 Colorado ZR2 for another one after 3-4 years after they hammer out the rough spots.
Cramped back seat, Engine was buzzy, Engine and tranny seemed to have opposing agendas at times. Ultimately committed to 2023 F150 Lariat 2.7 w 3.73 gears to pull 5k lbs for 12% more $$. Thanks for your responses to previous comments, which helped in the process, Tim.
I drove the Z71 and thought the engine was fine, pretty punchy although I'm sure the extra 40 lb-ft in the ZR2 would make things a lot more fun. I found a little turbo lag, but, not too bad.
Bed wood be one along with rear cab room and MPG
One of my biggest gripes is the lack of a grab handle on the drivers side…makes no sense, lifted off roading trim or not.
Turns out that Tim dont need a truck ,just an SUV and a trailer . I live close to a refuse site ,you would be amazed how many "new" truck owners are pulling a trailer.
What’s wrong with a trailer? I use my bed and I use a trailer all the time. Different tools for different jobs.
Needs better storage under back seat and back seat should fold down. Needs a grab handle driver side..Bed should be 5'8"
@Pickup Truck plus SUV Talk: I think you made a great point that some may have overlooked. A mid-size truck costs nearly as much as a half ton with a smaller interior and similar fuel economy. You might as well get a HD truck as your hauler and family vehicle and use a Maverick hybrid as a runaround vehicle. The Maverick has as much rear seat room as a Ranger.
Except that the reasons people GET midsized trucks is that they don't WANT a full-size truck that won't fit in their garage, are MUCH harder to park, and MUCH harder (or impossible) to get down narrow trails. Yeah, minor things like that....
your opinion about turbo charged 4 cyl engines in that if they were not reliable, they would not build them. How do you explain GM and their AFM/DFM technology? Those systems are nothing but trouble and has cost so much in warranty work and customers lost because of it. But GM still continues to use that technology in their engines.
GM isn’t alone in using those systems. Now Ford uses it as well. My question is if they were so reliable as you say, then why did Ford adopt the technology as well?
@@Pickuptrucktalk ?? You read it wrong. I'm saying AFM is not reliable. How do you get that I said it was reliable.? Your the one who said if they were not reliable (turbos) they would not build them. I'm saying reliability does not seem to be what they look at. CAFE has more say than anything.
How do people think this well compare to a Gladiator Rubicon Ecodiesel? I have been looking at the Gladiators, but even with the discounts Jeep is running right now, the prices are still a bit ridiculous. A fully loaded ZR2 MSRP is about $5k less than a loaded rubicon thats 22% off MSRP, but the ZR2 is a nicer truck inside. Debating just waiting for the ZR2's to become more available and skip the Jeep.
I sat in the back of a WT yesterday since there are almost none of these on lots still. I am 6' and the back seat was fine after adjusting the front seat for my driving position. I also put my 2 year old's rear facing car seat in the back seat and it was a bit tight, but not impossible.
I was looking at a Gladiator too. My 2024 ZR2 drives WAY nicer, and, bonus: NO Death Wobble!
@@kx8960I test drove one since I made that first post and I actually disagree. I thought the motor in the ZR2 was weak as hell here at higher elevation in Utah. I test drove multiple EcoD gladiators and the ZR2's and the Ecodiesel was WAY stronger. And if you watch the recent TFLTruck videos, it seems to confirm my experience. It seems that Chevy seriously de-rates the Colorado at elevation because it performs no better than the 2.3L Ranger than makes 40hp and 120 ft-lbs less torque on paper.
And TBH, I just generally liked the Gladiator more. The interior was far more spacious and visibility out of the truck far better. The giant hood on the ZR2 means you really need those 360* trail cams and the headroom and leg room in the rear seat is pretty poor. Im only 6' and my wife is only 5'-9" and both of us felt cramped back there. Fitting car seats sucked. None of that was a problem with the Gladiator.
@@Jay-me7gw LOL Hey, you don't need to justify YOUR purchase to me. I'm at elevation (5,300' and drive over 9,300' to work). The ZR2 runs 0-60 in 6.9, the Gladiator Ecodiesel (which I originally wanted) does it around 7.3. So, while the ZR2 might FEEL slower because you have to get more into the throttle (I guess to try and save gas), it isn't. It FELT slow to me too at first, until I learned to put the loud pedal down more, then it'll light up the rear tires from a stop. "De-rating at elevation"? Yeaaahh, no. The truck is heavier than the 'Taco, and has bigger, heavier tires. Yes, the back seat sucks, but the ZR2 drives WAY better, on highway and in the dirt, for 90% of the driving you'll ever do, and I'll take that over any small extra articulation with a solid front axle. AND it doesn't have the roof/door/windshield rattles and leaks, being a hardtop. Enjoy your Gladiator, and hopefully you can avoid the "Death Wobble"...
@@kx8960 I don't race my trucks. I tow trailers and I offroad. I prefer low end torque and I dont base my purchase on 0-60 times.
BTW, speaking of 0-60 times, I saw the 2.3L Ranger beat the Colorado trailboss with the 2.7 HO tune drag racing on TFLTruck . How much more power and torque is the Colorado supposed to be making than the ranger again?
I also didn't buy a Gladiator but nice try with the justification non-sense. I realized neither truck was what I wanted and moved on, but I much preferred the gladiator to the ZR2. Sorry you feel the need to justify your purchase to me.
@@Jay-me7gw LOL, ok smoothbrain... Tell us you couldn't afford either without telling us you couldn't afford either.
HD has about 3x the payload. Well, maybe not the ZR2 though.
Tim you made a few good points, but the seats are to hard and the truck is expensive. The cost of ownership is not proven yet. The turbo and the engine argument is a matter of trust. Do you trust it? It is made by General Motors and the expense to Repair said engine and the electronics. Can you trust it GM history with four cylinders is not good enough to warrant someone to buy it the garage ability issue only applies in the big city in the suburbs. Most garages are 20 x 24 with a 10 foot ceiling height if you have a house smaller garage. then park it outside!
I agree new garages are bigger. However, none of the midsize truck makers are taking that new size into consideration. It is what it is.
The Turbo Four has proven reliable, since 2019 in full size GM trucks. If there were issues with it, you'd know it by now.
16 16 16 ok... 19 16 22 are the numbers for my regular cab 2022 F150 with a 5.0 V8 for 37k and change new!
Don’t let the looks fool you. Mine has been in the shop for over a month with 400 miles on it.
For what reason?
Other than the dead battery thing, I wouldn't categorize those as widespread. Forums are notorious for making things look worse than they are. And as far as the international Ranger is concerned, sure the engine is the same but most of the electronics will be different so they could suffer the same. They always say, "don't buy the first-year model". I'll be looking at a midsize for my next one and Ford has been the only one I have a hard "no" for. It's just too blah for me. Raptor's have always been overpriced niche vehicles in my thinking anyway. I'd take a Tremor first.
What’s the point of having a pickup if you have to buy a separate trailer to haul stuff? Might as well just buy an SUV. A 6’ bed with a 2’ tall tailgate covers the standard 8’ materials, 10’ kayak with minimal overhang, etc. when the tailgate is down. Probably would fit all dirt bikes, four wheelers, etc. with the tailgate up. They could figure out better, safer ways for ramps to attach or integrate as well.
Turbo 4’s do provide more torque than a comparable naturally aspirated V6 but the main reason they’re using turbos is for reducing emissions. It’s certainly not fuel economy since there’s no real improvement.
What's the point of having to endure the downsides of a full-size truck when you never put anything in the bed big enough to warrant an 8' bed? The bed works for my needs. And in fact, I'd rather shorten the bed a couple inches to have a little more legroom in back for my passengers. I have a trailer for my motorcycles and on the RARE occasion I need to haul something big, I rent a trailer from U-Haul, and it's WAY easier to load heavy stuff on that than having to lift it up into the bed.
But wait! Why are all the "smart" buyers flocking to the Coyote V8 saying the Ecoboost is crap?? Are they not "smart" after all? Lol.
The Silverado ZR2 with 6.2 gets better MPG on the highway .
Also takes premium
It's more like it's this or the Bison, anything under these is too underwhelming anymore.
Biggest complaint is the mileage. I don't need a truck to be faster.
longer bed affects departure angle.............
A 4 banger with no optional motors give me a break and that includes Toyota
The new Tacoma is not going to be reliable a hybrid turbo 4 the new tundra has many engine issues w same technology in a v6
@@B86432oh yea? I have a 2023 hybrid tundra with zero issues after a year. Stop repeating stuff that isn’t true.
@@B86432entirely different engine though, and I haven’t heard of hybrid system specific issues (and the Tundra’s V6 issues seem to have been resolved).
I have a 22 hybrid, rock solid, no issues. Plus I tested the Tundra against the F-150 hybrid. Ford has poor execution on the power change from electric to gas. Toyota nailed it, it's seamless. Also my full size gets better gas mileage than this Colorado dumpster fire.
@@tigerjeebs5048😂😂😂 relax
If that is supposed to be halo model they really need to work on that pedantic interior. The quality from the appearance, except for the infotainment screen, just screams 1990s. For 50+ grand it needs to be far better.
Tim what is you go on vacation and rent a cabin and you have a 20' boat you have a ton of supplies. Tim you need a bigger garage
Or you need a bigger truck?
I was shopping for a truck, and went to a Tundra over the Colorado because of the rear seat leg room.
No chance it's to small
any one who knows crap about motors knows that a larger motor will always last longer when given the same job.
Nowadays, it’s more about metallurgy, cooling and lube.
@@garysarratt1 Yeah but who cares? They'll all last long enough and that's all that matters. Very few are keeping things past 100k anymore even though the smallest 4cyl will last 5x that.
Multilink coil rear.
Hi Tim.
Ok. Let's sort this out. You asked who needs a longer bed and what is being put in it with the tailgate up?
First: The ZR2 package is the worst choice for hauling. They payload is way too low. So there's that.
As for what am I hauling? 2x4 at 10 feet long; Gutter downspouts; Various PVC piping from 3/4 inch to 4 inch diameter at twelve foot lengths; And a collapsible pole saw. All of these fit through my sliding window in the back .
Why don't I drop the tailgate for extra space? because I have a drop in bedliner with no low tie downs in the bed so there is no good way to secure these items unless the tailgate is up.
Why not use a trailer? Because it's maybe six to ten sticks and I really don't want to deal with the hassle of dragging the 16 foot trailer around and try to park the damn thing in the HD parking lot when all the trailer spots are full.
I think I threw someone in the back cab of my truck once in twelve years. I use that space for tools and tiedowns. For me, a single cab, eight foot midsized truck would be nice.
Oh, and BTW: that shiny gloss plastic on the center console of the ZR2 sucks! Let's put something shiny right where dust and grime is going to gather in a truck designed to go into dusty places!
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But why do you even need a midsize? There is no benifit of the smaller truck to you. You perfectly explained why you need a full size. And if you are a contractor, put a shell on it with a lumber rack.
@@Dusdaddy
Thank you for your comment. The main benefit I get from using a smaller truck is the tighter turning radius. This is a bigger deal than you might think given how tight some of the roads are where I work and shop.
A narrower midsized/compact also fits in areas a full size just can't between houses, trees, cement curbing, or plumbing.
I am a landscaper/maintenance person at a retirement community so my jobs change hourly. This means that a shell would absolutely be a horrible idea. I love the open bed for putting in rolls of chainlink fencing, 25 gallon potted palms, and various pool chemicals including chlorine, sulfuric acid, and 50 pound bags of Sodium Bicarbonate. I also have hauled bags of Marl, 40 bags of mulch, and 30 pieces of sod. Side loading is greatly appreciated.
Hope this helps.
@@Gene1969 Fair enough but you are the niche. There just are not that many in your extremely specific need. Ideally, you would do well with a single cab that had a flat bed. Available overseas but not here. I remember being in Japan back in the 80s. All the small p/u's were 4 doors/small beds. They have much smaller roads yet they make it work. I thought they were awesome but it took the US years to get a 4 door small truck.
So buy a full-size. This truck is for people that are actually going to offroad it, and want the WAY better capability and nimbleness of the midsize...AND it won't fit in our garages. I won't need the bed for anything large enough to need an 8' bed, and on the EXTREMELY rare occasion I do, I'll rent a trailer which will be a LOT easier to load anyway.
@@Dusdaddy I like your thinking. I had actually specked out a first gen Colorado in the single cab/flatbed but didn't jump on it when available.
Calling BS on 100 sheets of drywall
I AGREE 💯💯💯WIDER AND TALLER For sure
It's around 0.5" more ground clearance than the last model
@@B86432 ITS NOT ENOUGH HES RITE BUT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO DO THIS ON THERE NEXT GEN OR REFRESH WHEN THEY COME UP IN A FUE YEARS LIKE FR THEY GOTTA ITS A MUST AT THIS POINT
@@B86432 it’s 2023 not 2013
@@manueljr2974what does the year have to do with anything?
GM is on a roll lately. I just got a 3.0 so maybe I’m biased.
These new Colorados look great. But I’m pretty average sized and felt really cramped. The back seat was really tight. I have driven Tacomas before and these Colorados seem considerably smaller. I think that was a mistake on GM’s part to not make these similar to Tacoma sized. Maybe they can bump up the interior dimensions for the next gen.
?? The Colorado has more interior space. You may have the Colorado and Tacoma mixed up
@@shiftmotorsports9803 Well I own a 2020 Tacoma and I sat in a Colorado at a dealership. I couldn’t get in the Colorado without bending my neck. But I’m sure you’re right.
@wheel1775 Well, if I 'm wrong, so are Chevrolet and Toyota who posted their respective interior dimensions. Rear headroom is the same for both. Other than that, the Colorado is bigger in every dimension
@@shiftmotorsports9803 I am not going to argue with you. Go to the dealer and sit in both. Have a nice day.
@wheel1775 lol. Nothing to argue about. Numbers don't lie. I sold Toyotas and own a Colorado. Enjoy your Tacoma
The problem is that turbo charged 4 cylinder engine will not last as long
Why?
Tim I keep my trucks 10-12 yrs and as they age all that fancy stuff needs to be repaired I have a friend who is very wealthy from rebuilding transmissions and other major work. I just want a reliable 2023 or 2024 truck with a gasoline engine no diesel. The Ford stuff gets recalled to much I have to drive a Toyota tundra and a new 5.3L Silverado
@@Pickuptrucktalki believe its because turbo charged engines produce more heat which leads to more failures. However, life of a vehicle is usually 100-150k miles assumed under warranty. They’ll last that long. Also, nowadays, turbo charged engines can often outlast N/A engines depending on manufacturing, maintenance because the longevity difference is subtle. but generally speaking, N/A engines are slightly more durable under perfect conditions.
The Turbo Four has proven quite reliable, in full size GM trucks since 2019.
@@biggunbob2673 You are just saying a 4cyl won't last but you have no data to back that up. And honestly, with the average life of these being under 100K before they are being sold, longevity is no longer a factor.
OK i own a 2020 Colorado ZR2 with the v6 gas engine, your telling me that a turbo charged 4cyl. would obviously get better power then a none turbo v6 wow!!! but through different research that I've been doing, putting a supercharger or turbo on the v6 will not only obviously get more power but also get better fuel economy! so why not put a supercharger our turbo on a v6 model? but even thought i love the look of my Colorado i wish i wouldn't have gotten rid of my 2020ranger XLT with the fx4 i feel it had a lot of better fetchers that i liked 1 was the fuel economy was so much better 17-19 in city 23-25 on highway better my Colorado im lucky to get 16-18 highway! that is my biggest hate about my 2020 Colorado ZR2!!!
Yeaaahhh, you MIGHT get better power, but you WILL get worse fuel economy, probably a LOT worse.
I want to able sleep in the back !
Then get a suburban 😂
Sorry but the f150 v6 2.7 is faster than this truck, quieter and get better milleage per gallon...
I'll hang onto my diesel Gladiator: better off road, larger tires, more clearance, easy to add a winch + you can take the doors & top off. Plus 25mpg.
Your results may vary -
I am in a gladiator rental at the moment and just looked at brand new dealership ZR2. Gladitor seats are a 10, ZR2 seats are a 2. Seeing over the hood in the Gladiator is a 12 (on a 1-10 scale) and ZR2 is negative 3 on a 1-10 scale. Went to the dealership to order the ZR2, but after comparing the Jeep to the Chevy, I am a hard pass on the Chevy. Not saying I am buying a Gladitor, but rather waiting to see the Ranger Raptor. The hood is so near impossible to see what is in front of you in the ZR2, I "almost" feel like Chevy raised the rear end up trying and get some more road in view, is why the truck is raked so high in the rear. Put a leveling kit on it and your liable to run completely over a new corvette. Was not a fan of the ZR2
Wow, really? Does it matter what somebody will use a bigger bed for???? If that is what someone wants, why criticize them for that?
Criticize or ask the question? I was asking the question.
IMO- driver grab handle, rock slider steps, big notches in seat for rear knee room, power sliding rear window, hood gas shocks not stupid prop rod, cutouts for auxiliary switches, i also hate the stupid organizers under rear seat can’t utilize the floor much once seat is up. Dream would be cheaper price and better mpgs or at least same numbers on regular gas and not premium sh*t is high enough thanks Biden. GM could easily do that crap from the factory.