Comic Book Noob Reacts To The Rise And Fall Of Superior Spider-Man For The First Time!
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
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There's a bit of a difference between somebody pretending to be you, and someone who has your memories pretending to be you.
Yea but why write a good character away?
MJ shouldve been utilized 😭
@@blaze3309 True. She should have still been an important part of the story.
@@blaze3309because the spider-man editorial liked Gwen more.
@@blaze3309Fun Fact, you get use the Superior Spider-Man suit in Ps5 Spider-Man 2
@@blaze3309 You should react to Miles Morales old universe's avengers named "The Ultimates"
''Writers gonna write this to hell?'' Oh buddy, i forgot its your first time with Spider-Man basically.
Just know that writers have fetish of making Spider-Man's life miserable.
Slott specifically has a fetish for having two good ideas (superior and spider verse) and drive them to the ground by using them over and over and over again
@Coconut_Prrson spiderverse wasnt even his idea, he was inspired by the 90s show
It's funny how Slott writes Spider-man. He does try to move things ahead, but also wrote Peter as a lot more immature than he'd had previously and would often just set things back to the status quo once he gets bored and teases MJ and Peters reunion, only to throw her away for long stretches of time.
He feels really inconsistent. Like he makes it a point that Peter's will gets "broken" enough to get wiped by Otto in the face of Otto saying basically the generic anti-Batman rhetoric of him "being as bad as his villains" and "him being responsible for countless deaths out of his ironic selfish interest in upholding his no killing rule." Which just comes off as someone who both doesn't get Peter and doesn't care for him at all, with his little "Suck it up" comment, even if just trolling, doesn't help that image.
Yet in the second run with Superior Venom, he makes it a centerpoint in the story Peter's indomitable will and that part of Peter in Otto being what truly made him heroic which now gives the impression of Slott knowing Peter's character well...but that doesn't even track well because there was the whole point, just before, of Peter's will folding like origami paper to Otto's critique with Peter not even getting a real word in.
It's a confusing mess and tbh, between that and the "ooo edgy normally super heroic character greying his morals, even though they are really blackening not greying" that honestly reeks of the worst of the 90's, made Superior a run I'm not a fan of.
Oh man I remember how poorly written Black Cat was in this era too. Her edgy revenge arc. That was the final straw for me!
Something I wanted to mention in the previous videos. It has been shown that stories about stable, healthy romantic relationships do not sell well. People get emotionally invested in a character's turbulent romantic life, until the Wedding Ring is on the finger then they stop caring. So Marvel and DC characters who have been around longer than most people who are alive, have to be in constant romantic turmoil. So love triangles are basically the standard default, Not the exception.
So personally, when any comic character gets an adaptation that actually lets the character have a full Arc. I want them to follow what I call "The Romantic Rule of 2".
1. Every Hero/Heroine should have a First love, A Childishly simplistic understanding of love. That Love doesn't work out for some reason, but the Hero/Heroine has to learn something from it. And that maturity will help them with their future relationships.
2. Every character should end up with their true love, But it shouldn't be easy. Pop culture should encourage people with representation of real World complex but healthy relationships.
But there could also be challenges during the marriage! Just make some bs up where Black Cat returns and wants to insert herself back into Peter's life or whatever to make it interesting. Or that MJ has some sort of crisis of self-identity where she struggles with sudden reality of being in the marriage and has a fear of being a housewife while Peter is always out there being Spider-Man where he could get hurt and not come back.
I read a fanfiction where MJ can't stand the thought of Peter being the lone wolf in the streets, meets Black Cat, and makes her promise that they'd always keep each other safe and make it a priority to be there for each other instead of flying solo just because they can't deal with their feelings. And then Pete is basically stuck working together with his former flame that he can't distance himself from like he normally would (because it would piss MJ off) and has to face all of the confusing emotions while Felicia realizes that MJ is truly Peter's soulmate, being as selfless and loving as him and finally is able to expand her attraction for Spider-Man into a deeper platonic love for both Pete and MJ. I wish proper comic books dared to do something like that (instead of making Black Cat a total psycho).
TL; DR - there are ways to make adult relationships interesting. And based on the recent success of Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man, a lot of people want it!
That's not really true though.
If you actually look at the sales figures for Amazing Spider-Man, sales have actually *drastically* declined since they retconned the marriage in 2007.
In the early 2000's, Amazing Spider-Man was on average selling around 115,000 copies annually.
By the time they got rid of the marriage in 2007, sales declined substantially. Since 2009, Amazing Spider-Man averages out at about 70,000 copies. This is despite them axing the 3 other ongoing Spider-Man comics in 2007, which does not seem to have increased Amazing Spider-Man's sales at all.
In addition, one-offs where Marvel have toyed with bringing back the marriage (Renew Your Vows & Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) were both top sellers. Ultimate Spider-Man now consistently outperforming Amazing Spider-Man.
The numbers seem to consistently suggest readers prefer a married Spider-Man to one with regressed character development. So it's clearly not a financial decision on Marvel's part. Instead it seems to be a bizarre creative decision either from the editor or from some executive.
Executive meddling, you love (hate) to see it.
Its kinda a shame he didn't explain the Peter Parker vs Otto in the mind battle more since its really cool .How Otto wins effectively is both calling out Peter but also showing he's expertise of multiple fields including medical. Which its cool Otto beats out peter not at he's own game but due to Otto's own expertise. The issue is Otto doesn't see that he himself has value but only what he thinks matters which in this case is being better then spider-man
As a hardcore Batman fan these videos are fun for me to get my spidey knowledge up 🕷️🕸️
Please do more of these. It is honestly so refreshing to see someone react to comic book character histories. It is also fun to see someone new to comics react to how batshit crazy comic runs are. Like it can go from first 20 issues your character is an average vigilante to then he become a space knight or something because...comics. I also recommend a Marvelous Life. He does videos explaining to people events and characters from the Marvel universe. I especially recommend his video on X23. Shes this female clone of Wolverine who after being trained to be a tool her whole life she eventually escapes and learns how to be a person.
In comics anna maria is the only person he care for, he loves her and she still has feeling for him but she know that they can't be together
I can't wait for you to watch his video about Venom. Especially since the character has rarely gotten adapted well. The recent version in Spider-Man 2 especially was a really bad adaptation of Venom.
most of the game's direction was really bad, with that production quality, amazing animation and voice actors they fumbled hard in my opinion, still fun tho.
How was it a bad adaption of the character?
@@johnman8398 If you mean aside from the fact that it was Harry Osborn, the fact that he was a generic world conquering villain that wanted to take over the world which Venom has NEVER been in the comics and was actually ALWAYS against and the fact that he just calls himself Venom for NO reason, then still there's plenty more reasons.
@@The_Phantasm Harry Osborn being Venom isn't bad. Also he wasn't just a generic world conquering villain, that was a result of the combination of Harry's desires and the aggression gotten from Peter and Harry. Him calling himself Venom suddenly is a non-issue, its not something that needs justification to begin with and even the actual reasoning in the comics is questionable.
@@johnman8398If for some reason you enjoyed that version of Venom , then good for you. For me personally I felt disappointed.
Otto didn't go back to being a villain so he could beat Norman, he literally just gave up completely on being a hero and beating Norman.
You have to watch the Ben reilly video next. He is my favorite spider-man. And nothing will repair my heart for what they did with him
I love ur commentary on this vid even though ur new to comics it sounds like you already have a deep understanding of peter’s character which is cool af!
It’s so funny that our mentalities change over time because in the 90’s when Azrael was Batman, people said “Get this hack out of here! He’s not Batman!” But then with Otto, people at the end were “Nooo! Bring him back! He was a better Spider-Man!”
Not exactly the same thing.
@@mr.protagonist5639And tbh, I've never heard anyone say that Otto was "the better Spider-Man." They may have been sad that he was gone but not telling to put Peter back in the bin.
At the time it was hated but now its one of the most loved stories
My question to every Spider-Man fan who reads this comment. How should Peter Parker Spider-Man's story end in your opinion? There have been a couple of really good "Final Story" for Peter Parker which is your favorite?
Some people always want to see their heroes die in battle saving the world, But I'm more of a fan of them getting to retire and have a happy family.
Well you have options in two alternate universes that exist in Marvel's: renew your vehicle vows, where Peter is still Spiderman but with a daughter and MJ or the Mc2 universe where he is retired due losing a leg during his final confrontation with the Green goblin and becomes a science teacher, has Mayday and she eventually takes on his legacy.
My favourite is this one story where it shows an old Peter Parker with his wife MJ and Peter gets shot on a patrol by a random mugger, Pete is taken to the hospital and will make a full recovery and they keep his mask on as a sign of a respect and everyone who Spider-man has ever helped or saved goes to visit him in the hospital and it's just so heartfelt and wholesome
Peter and MJ get married and have kids, Peter creates a company that helps the world (that he doesn't have to run by himself anymore), realizes that the responsibility to be there for his wife and children is just as, if not more, important than his duty as Spider-Man. And so he retires and passes his mantle down to Miles, making him the definitive Spider-Man. Miles has been in Peter's shadow for a long time, it's time for him to shine. I hear opinions where they shouldn't call Miles Spider-Man, that he needs his own name while Peter keeps being THE Spider-Man, when I believe the opposite, that Peter should get his well-deserved rest and enjoy a simpler life while Miles can be out there for New York. That leaves the room for Peter to return to being Spider-Man once his kids become older and go to school.
There was a Spider Man miniseries, which more or less retold his main stories, while cleaning them up and adding 10 year time skips between each chapter. It ended with an elderly Peter who has lived a long and hard but happy life sacrificing himself to save the world ine last time. I think, that's a good compromise
Retiring and becoming a teacher, leaving miles to become the main spiderman realising his responsibility to his children and wife is greater than spideman
You need to see some of the other versions of spider-man because some can be kinda evil
ana maria is a diminutive woman she's just short also apparently in an alternate future Spider-Man is one of mephisto's biggest enemies and that's why he is constantly trying to screw over spider-men he even made a deal with miles.
I again recommend the Lumi's Web Carnage Video.
Imagine if we get to see superior Spider-Man in a movie or a show but it will probably be a what if episode
It happened in the second season of Marvel's Spider-man. It was a 4 or 5 episode arc. Kinda cool actually
@@elgabydiaz9184 oh yeah i forgot about that
The best spiderman comic book
i like doc oc.
You should react to his Ultimate X-Men video, I never read the Ultimate X-Men books so it was enjoyable for me to watch
Blaze you should definitely check out the video for the Full Story of Ultimate Spider-Man by Comicstorian. Is one of THE BEST Spider-Man stories ever written.
Hope you'll watch the Fantastic Four video in this kind of style.
Can you a video from WatchMojo where they do a "Top 10 Spider-Man Costumes"?
Honestly it seems to be a mandate that main peter can't be with MJ and that kind of comes off in the writing where they do everything possible to side line her.
This superior spider man stuff was going on for nearly a decade too so like i think i understand the bringing him back but i wish they split it up between the old version of doc ock and a clone version of superior spider man
Based off the end credits scene of Spider-Man 2, I predict the third game will adapt Superior Spider-Man. That would be so awesome
that'd be such a lame decision. we had already seen "bad" and "controlled" Peter in SM2. and if miles will become "superior", than it makes no sense since Otto and Miles aren't related like at all
You hit the nail on the head like 1 minute into the video on what the problem is with this story. In order for Superior Spider-Man to work, everyone else had to be stupid. Even MJ, who historically KNOWS when someone is just pretending to be Spider-Man/Peter.
As long as you're able to ignore this little fallacy, then sure, it's an amazing story. But I can't. I wish there was a better reason or justification why no one else figured it out. MJ should've figured it out issue 1.
Also now you have a very good idea why Spider-Man fans HATE Mephisto. Anytime he appears in a Spider-Man or Spider-Man adjacent comic, it's guaranteed to be ass.
My favorite Spider-man run of all time is the ORIGINAL Ultimate Spider-Man. It has the BEST version of every secondary character in his orbit, plus reimagining some of his villains in very creative ways. I love the reality show star variant of Kraven the Hunter, for example. Especially as he’s a villain I absolutely detest. If he wanted to hunt “the most dangerous game,” he’d hunt Wolverine. Or Carnage. Hunting Spidey is just cowardice.
The less said about the recent reboot, the better.
I really think you would love the Batman Year one / Dark Knight Returns (parts 1 and 2) movies. Both are based on graphic novels by Frank Miller and are still some of my favorites. Love your videos!
Mr. Bean vs Superman? Lmao
This one is kinda fine and good. Now, "Paul" on the other hand...
Comment NO.2 of recommending to watch "The bizarre world of Japanese Spider-man" by Lumi's Web
Imagine if Peter became a superior doc oc
Ultimate Spider-man next
My favorite spider man of all time otto made The city safer
Revisiting Alex Lennen's videos through your reactions has been a blast!
I don't know if or when you'd get around to it, but I'd love if you checked out PopCross Studios's Multiverse Tales series, or his newest one, Vigilants. His illustrations, stories and characters are amazing, it'll get you hooked right from the beginning!
You should definitely check out his video on ultimate Spider-man and the Scarlet spider
If it makes you feel better, the decision to revert Otto back to his old villain-form was so unanimously hated by the fanbase that there is now a currently ongoing Superior Spider-Man Vol. 3, which seems to be leading to Otto's return as Superior Spider-Man... again... It still remains to be seen if it's permanent or not... I have trust issues with Marvel Editorial...
From the outside looking in and learning more about comics, the sad thing is that the characters cant reallt progress including Peter. It was similar in the Batman video, they just keep resetting things because some fans refuse to accept any change. Of course not all changes are good either. With different writers and interpretations of different characters(includinf bad ones), the characters are stuck in a timless loop of learning and resetting and growing then being traumatized again while some of the side characters are allowed to change or die. It seems to be an unfortunate part of the medium.
Great video i recommend watching his ben reily video its a great video
Hell yeah check out Fantastic Four. EASILY my favorite IP from Marvel. Spider-Man is my overall favorite character from Marvel, but there's no corner of Marvel which makes me appreciate it's world building and the lane of characters as much as FF, it's so imaginative and like 80% of Marvel's cosmology comes from them. It's a shame FF as a concept, being so family oriented hasn't really survived in the public's eye after the 90's edginess, but I think the best showcase of how good they are can be seen through the ripple effect, pretty much ALL THE big baddies which originated from FF have been used for other heroes.
Doctor Doom and Galactus being the most obvious one, they evolved from FF villains to MARVEL villains. Annihilus is a good one too. Kang being used in an MCU movie is also crazy, showcasing FF's influence. Silver Surfer just being a herald of Galactus is insanely popular etc.
I also love Fantastic Four because they're unlike any other major superhero team. I will always love Justice League from the depth of my heart, it's THE definitive superhero team to me, but Fantastic Four I don't really like to look at as a superhero team, more so a team of adventurers, like Doctor Who/Star Trek esque shit, where they just explore the universe and the craziness from cosmic arrives to them.
Speaking of Doctor Who, Reed's dynamic with Doom is basically just Doctor's and Master's dynamic with more capeshit, and I love me some Doctor Who as well as capeshit.
If I were to describe Dan Slott in a single word, it would be "edgelord". If I were to describe his writing in a meme, it would be:
"Drew like a dark, fucked up version of the Spider-Man haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane Imao."
Dan Slott is an edgy subversive in a never-ending sea of edgy subversives. He is the comic book equivalent of all those people who make cheap, low-effort horror flicks every time an innocent children's character becomes public domain, with the only difference being that he masks his low-effort, shock value emo poetry as some deep, contemplative dive into human psyche.
I really wish they would start giving Spiderman to people that actually like Spiderman. This is not a Spiderman story. It's a Doc Oc story. If you want to write about Oc, fine. Go do it in an Oc book. What? There is no Oc book? That's because no one cares enough for there to be one. That should tell you something.
Only problem with your reboot comment is that readers don’t know how many years a bad change will last, Peter and MJ breaking up in One more Day is still a thing 23 years later as far as I know, the most hated storyline next to sins past
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(yay spider-man)
Will you watch The Dark Knight Rises?
Dont wanna be that guy, but will you be uploading your Dark Knight Rises reaction anytime soon?
You should react to some fantastic four stuff.
The Documentary made by B-Mask would be perfect
I’m addicted to that video, I sometimes listen to it twice at work.
@@colemcgwire1950I haven’t actually watched that let me go do it now. Does it have any spoilers for the mark Waid run cause that’s what I’m reading now.
@@CouncilofMoleMen yeah It does and also Johnathan Hickman's run too
@@booster3858 thank you
Watch The Dark Knight Rises
My favorite part of Otto's "Elliot Tolliver" era was before spidergeddon when he went by "superior octopus" (same spider-powers and clone body, just with doc ock arms and a dif suit). Cause it kinda gave him his own identity as a hero instead of him trying to be Spider-Man, he only changed costumes back to spider-man because his superior ock costume was torn apart by the inheritors
Blaze needs to watch a video on Spider Man’s sidekick that they recently introduced
Spider-boy isn't a sidekick he's literally doing his own thing in his own series
@@Coconut_Prrson oh so when we first saw him at the end of that spider verse event and they called him Peter’s sidekick then he’s not a sidekick my guy?
@@Gamer65774 calling Bailey a sidekick is like calling Miles a sidekick. He's less of a Robin and more of a Supergirl.
Had Bailey been a sidekick he would be constantly in the ASM comics (which he isn't. He's doing his own thing in his own series)
@@Coconut_Prrson do you want to be friends?
@@Gamer65774 not really
Comics Explained dude. That guy has so much comic book lore.
And go to Fresh Comic Stories if want to read along to comics from decades ago.
Blaze you should check out the Batman who laughs
No. That sucks
Yeah I hate it
Superior Spider-Man was the greatest modern Spider-Man run. Cope.
:) D
I don't think Otto's a hypocrite with Massacre. Otto's a murderer, no question, but he doesn't have brain damage incapable of emotion. Otto's emotions are what make him change. Massacre only felt something at the point of death. That wouldn't be good enough for a jury if he was on trial. The people should have enough common sense to get rid of monsters like this.
I'm sorry, but the "nobody dies, not even bad guys" mentality that a lot of heroes have is ultimately more harm than good, considering most of them will never redeem themselves. I know it's not in Peter's character. But somebody has to do it.
@ 8:13 The narrator is projecting his opinions as if they were facts. Mary Jane wasn't done a disservice by not immediately knowing it wasn't Peter. She recognized Kraven wasn't Spiderman mainly because he was too big and didn't move or act like him. Otto, on the other hand, is different because he physically was Peter and had access to all of his memories as well as his memories of her. If Peter had gone to her instead of Carly Cooper to confess and ask for help, he might've gotten his body back before he had died.
problem with that is that Kraven wasn't the only one who was able to disguise themselves as Pete and MJ figure it out just as easily. There is chamelon who is a master of disguise and MJ figure it out just as quick and with the same logic that should applied to Otto who is a terrible actor