As someone who owns a Moog I am impressed by the Boog. Based on this and other videos I've seen I can understand how for some the price difference can't justify owning the original. Moog owners shouldn't thumb their noses at Behringer or those who praise or like BMD. By the same token I think those who call Moog owners elitist or other kinds of names I can only respond with this thought...if money were not an issue and you were given the chance to own a Porsche or a Chevy Bolt which would you choose? For some they don't care because all that matters is that they get from point A to B, but for others the dream of owning a Porsche is enough to justify such a purchase. I'm just thankful that we now have alternatives and/or options which I see as a win-win for all musicians.
I fully agree with you. Today we have alternatives, among them I see the low cost VSTIs plugins like the miniverse from Cherry Audio, a moog in our PC for only 39 dollars is not to be despised. Today we have alternatives and that is important for all musicians.
Another Model D owner here, I totally commend what you're saying. I own my Model D for a few reasons and some are more irrational than others. Tone, obviously - the overdrive on the Model D still seems unique when pushed and no emulation or copy has really nailed it, and that's where the magic is. But to be honest, it's the romance more than anything. I pay the extra to be entranced by the instrument, to touch something that is historically important and aesthetically beautiful. What can I say!? I understand it isn't technically important, but few things of ultimate worth are. The Boog is a beast! Hats off for the great sound!
I would choose the bolt. I have no need for a high insurance bill or silly sports car. Unless I could sell the Porsche. If that's allowed, I sell the porsche and now have enough to buy the bolt with plenty left over. Easy.
Also that's a bad comparison because the Porsche is functionally faster than the bolt, if far less energy efficient. The beh and moog are basically the same. Nothing like the porsche vs bolt comparison.
Oh man, some of the comments here. Fing amazing. We've had the 72 original (completely redone btw) above the Boog, differences were slight at best. Behringer did a great job. Got lots of great select vintage onhand here but I would have to say the greatest aspect to what Behringer is providing is: - getting these older synths sound and UI into the hands of a younger gen. - allowing vintage owners to keep the vintage safe n sound in the studio while taking a low-cost, tactile, equivalent to the stage. Ignore the self-proclaimers
I've played around with an original and a Behringer and there is a noticeable difference in practice. Much like the difference between a U67 and a Rode. In practice not much of a difference until you mix it with other sounds. The Behringer is made with surface mount components that are made with current manufacturing processes. It's not a bad sound, just a bit more raspy, dry and less rubbery, less magic than the old Moog. May actually be better for modern stuff
@@NamelessSmile Well, I can tell you have never tried it. There is a very strong difference, but you know it all, so what's the point of talking to you... Anis ...
Behringer should be paying you for some of these comparisons. Really well done and comprehensive. Some people just forget also that Moog is expensive because the quality of build, materials, and its american. But given today's tech, it's not surprising to see behringer has succeeded so well in recreating classic synths without much compromise to the actual sound or reliability.
Yes really because Moog builds minimoogs out of things like a Cherry-wood case where Beh uses plastic, metal panel where Beh uses plastic, etc. Each synth is assembled by hand at Moog out of proud professional tradition. And if it matters to you, Beh is manufactured in China whereas Moog in the States. Because i’m a professional i saved up to own a Sequential Prophet X which is another expensive hand-built synth with wooden panels etc. and honestly, i feel it is absolutely wonderful that people starting out and hobbyists can afford great new gear. Behringer stuff sounds good, very good in many cases. But when you get to the point where you’re a professional musician, things like having the best possible build quality, best possible filter design etc, it really does make a difference. It’s the difference between buying a student violin, vs if you’re playing professionally in an orchestra, owning a professional-quality violin or whatever. To say there is no difference in quality between an instrument made fully of plastic versus an instrument made of wood and metal, is ludicrous. Difference in sound may be quite slight (i can hear a difference in the filter, the Moog is smoother as it glides through the harmonic series, the Beh has a more defined harmonic series), but the build quality is absolutely very different.
@@sub-jec-tiv I watched the livestream of the building of there Minimoogs and its basically just assembled by hand the parts come in sent from a manufacturer the same as Behringer or any other synthesizer. The Minimoog is mostly made of wood and the Behringer Poly D is made mostly from metal and some wood side panels. I have the Behringer Monopoly, all the knobs and buttons feel good quality just like any other synthesizer and overall is a well built quality product.
@@sub-jec-tiv Just untrue. What f*cking plastic? Have you really put your hands on a Behringer synth? Clearly you haven't, otherwise you would know the building quality of the Behringer is on a par with the original.
1 1/2 years later and ive got a used korg xd5,a crave, a tb 3,a used kawi k4,a 32 channel mixer some used jbl monitors to add to the rig and bunch of groceries and toilet paper on the money i saved on a mini moog..... I'm happy
Best comparison yet! You're very good at it. Sounds virtually identical. If I had an old Moog already I'd keep it because I like vintage stuff and don't need the money. But for someone starting out, it can't be beat!
Your comparison videos are really the best in the Internet. Made with much effort, great information to all aspects and very objective. It’s really a great service for the community and the consumer to decide, what to buy. I always enjoy your videos since years.
@@StarskyCarr So I just came from your WASP video and went to your channel (Subbed with all notifications btw), found this, and I'm amazed! In the comments of that Video I was saying that it's ridiculous all of the affordable options, [quickly] Behringer; Model D, WASP, Neutron, CRAVE, MS-1, and then the Roland SE-02, all in the $250 to $350 range, and they're all amazing. But after watchiing this, even considering the Neutron has 32 patch points or whatever, the SE-02 has a sequencer with 162 presets or something, and the more options on others for other semi-modular pros, etc., _BUT_ I'm going to have the get the Model D. I have to. For $298.99 I can't bring myself to get something else. If you have an affiliate link to somewhere, let me know and I'll use it. *GREAT VIDEO!*
Starsky Carr - PLEASE post a link to the picture of the patch at 21:00 ~ Absolutely incredible sound you configured. And then at 21:50 as well. Dreamy & Floaty, yet Meaty & Gritty as well. It's candy for my ear-holes!
Best comparison I've seen so far. You surely know your synths.. the flow with which you get the sounds to sound similar shows how much you've mastered analog synthesis. Congratulations.
15 years ago I got a Behringer multi-bus mixer. It was so much functionality and was so affordable compared to the big names. So, long-time fan. So cool to see them doing such good work emulating vintage equipment, synths and pedals.
@@spurv I love behinger and moog stuff, and have to admit, this sounds ho hum, just like the minimoog. however, I get inspiration from my 70's minimoog that makes me make it sound incredible, unlike this crap which is completely uninspired.
@@34672rr you're really on a crusade reply to everyone that you have a 70s Moog, it's quite entertaining. Can you tell again how you get inspired by it ?
I’ve never been a Moog type person, but I ordered a Behri D, and I love it. Having a lot of fun recording with it. Love the instrument (Lo) output so you can plug it straight into guitar pedals and not worry about clipping and impedance mismatch. Sounds amazing through a nice overdrive or distortion. Its a no brainer unless you own the real thing. I keep seeing people say, “Yeah, but it will probably break in a few years.” So? Then I’ll buy another, and could do so for the next few decades and still having not payed the same as a real Mini. I get it....the Moog is a luxury instrument. Gorgeous wood, lovely keybed....its nice, if you care about that stuff. I just wanna make music. For gigging? C’mon....somebody steals your Behri D or spills a drink on it? No worries.
@Le Spam they know what a moog synth is, even my Dad knew what one was before I got one. Google Doodle even did the minimoog. When people see my 70's mini, they know what it is, musician or not. No one will know what some crappy plastic box is among all the other crappy plastic boxes are. Sound isn't everything, otherwise people wouldn't be listening to electronic music in the first place.
@@34672rr wow i see that you are leading some kind of moog crusade but with your every comment i read I am losing more and more braincells because I didnt know how narrowminded someone can be... And what??? Why people listen to electronic music from dubstep through techno and dance to ambient? Because somebody has moog???
Bro the Behringer sounds exactly the same, it's a no Brainer, get the Behringer and have access to the exact same sounds as the moog and have more money for other gear
Wow, I'm dying to create many of those lovely modulating sounds you made toward the end of the video. Just got the Model D a couple of months ago, and it's keeper. I like it more than my Mother 32.
I had two Model D's from 1978 - 1988, they both sounded slightly different .. no less different than these two sound slightly different. I sold them for $150.00 each and never regretted it. By the time I sold them they were just collecting dust as my Jupiter 8 and DX7 were serving up the full pallette of sounds I needed for our working cover band and my own personal studio work. There is no way I could ever justify paying 30 times what I sold my original Model D for to buy a re-issue .. but this Behringer D is a no brainer .. I await the fulfilment of my order. Cool video 👍 Thanks
Thanks Chris. I think there's a fair bit of elitism about these things. I like my Minimoog but don't consider it the pinnacle of synth engineering by any means.
'I'm not complaining... just noticing...' love it. I'll use that line for the rest of my life. You're only 2 minutes in and this the best tutorial ever...
Thank you for this. I think some people who have the real deal feel like it is taking something away from them if they admit the clone really does the job. Tiny differences with the modulation are ineveitable but if mini sounds are what someone needs nobody could reasonably say that the D is a bad choice.
owning a Voyager, a Minimax, the Arturia V Moog and the Behringer D, I must say that the closest match to my old original Moog D is by far the Behringer!
The Mini Moog is a classic, like a Fender Strat, or a Les Paul, or a '57 Chevy. An Icon. I can't believe I actually have one now - without breaking the bank! I've been lusting for one of these since 1975! This video sold me. nice job.
Great vid! I own a MiniMoog, a Voyager XL, a Source, and a _slew_ of other-brand analog legends from the 80's. I'm gonna grab 3 Behringer Model D's for under $1000. A no brainer... THANKS!!!
YOU should get the prize. Then again, you made the prize for those who listened to the entire video. Words can not express what fun I just had, thanks to your creativity making a waveform do what you want.
That was AMAZING Starsky WOW!!!!!! Thank you so much for such a great demo!!!!! I’m ordering the Model D today! Can’t get over the amazing demo and I even closed my eyes and could not for the life of me differentiate which was which insanely amazing!!!
If I had the money I’d buy a moog, especially given its quality and heritage. The thing is that I’ll never have that kind of money for a synth and behringer does a fantastic service to those non rich among us which would still like to get the minimoog sound. I looked at the moog mother 32 (which I can afford), yet the sound signature is a bit different.
Brilliant comparison. You definitely know your Minimoog and it shows when you're setting up and matching the sounds on the two units. I can't believe how accurate and good the Behringer sounds for that price! I'm thinking of getting one to learn on before I eventually upgrade to a Subsequent 37 (for the duophonic mode and sequencer) or a used Voyager.
Its a pleasure to program. I have never been a Moog guy.....always loved old Roland, Oberheim, and DSI. I can’t take my hands off the Behringer. Its a no brainer, and its the best sounding mono I’ve ever owned. Better than my Mopho, better than my Boomstar SEM, better than my SH-2, better than any discrete mono I’ve used. Love the instrument level output...can plug it straight into cheap guitar pedals and have a blast.
IHaveSynthed never liked the sound of the Sub series.....the Little/Slim always sounded better to me. The Sub37 has some really cool features, but I agree, that the Behri D has better sounding osc’s and VCF.
One of the most credible UA-camrs has tested this product and confirms what we have heard before: the sound of this creation is outstanding. I'm one of those happy to have come across a Reissue and it's of the best quality and of "American precision" built to last for more than 50 years. All I can say though is congratulations to Behringer and everyone else who dreamed about this. Personally, I'm waiting for what's coming on the market in this ballpark and the sooner the better ...but for me its all about the bass
Damn, I didn't expect such a close call between those two. Imma get a Model D next month maybe :D Very effective review and comparison, thanks for sharing!
Well then you are wasting money on a depreciating asset, rather than one who's value will only increase. Think long term strategically, and perhaps you will get in a higher tax bracket. Plus, even if the Boog sounds better, it's just not the same as having a real minimoog by a damn sight. Music and art are all about inspiration, and the Boog has exactly Zero of it, other than the fact that it's a copy of the greatest musical synthesizer ever. I have been playing my 70's mini for ten years, basically every day. How many Boog players will boast that in 10 years? probably ZERO
@@mikeexits nope. theft is taking something you didn't pay for, like roads, police, firefighting, animal control, military strength, political stability etc etc. "Taxation is theft" is something cheap selfish takers say who take everything they have for granted and just want more
@@34672rr OH and BTW, most of our tax dollars (in the US) go to the military industrial complex, who spends more annually than the other top 6 military spenders worldwide combined.
The only thing I noticed on my earbuds (not great headphones) is that the Behringer had a slightly harsher high end and the Moog had a nicer and smoother high end. However, you could probably just throw a little high pass filter with a gentle slope on the Behringer and get the same effect. As a previous Model D and 5U Modular owner, I am surprised how close Behringer got. Really cool. But, there will be a bunch of people that will pay for that last 3% for authenticity (like audiophiles, etc.).
Great job and thanks for the effort. Knew they were close (only have a Moog Voyager though), but they're even closer than I realized...seriously excellent comparison.
very very good video - thanks for this - i have the D but was wondering whether im missing out and should buy a real d - your comparison is excellent and has settled my mind to be v happy with what i have - thanks
I worked at a well-known music retailer in the early 90s, and Behringer gear was a joke in those days. I think I had a Behringer mixer for a while, and it was junk. Cut to 2015, and my 90s band did some 20th anniversary gigs. Our sound guy brought a Behringer wireless mixer to the rehearsal space (and later, to the gigs) and he could walk around the rehearsal space and the venues and mix the sound on his iPhone. I was blown away by the specs, build quality, and price of the Behringer wireless mixer. It was around that time that I learned Behringer was cloning old synths. I picked up the modded TB303 knockoff a year or so ago, and I'm about to order the Roland SH101 clone this weekend
Great effort and thank you for making this. It;s shocking just how close they are. @7:18 The Moog is slightly smoother in the sweep but not by much. From a pure physical performance instrument the Moog has the keyboard I like most because the lowest note starts on F. ....not low C like most keyboards. Just personal preference from a keyboard playing perspective. Weird how the mini was the only keyboard to start with LOW F as far as I know.
This comparison is excellent, well done mate! Not too much talking, banter wasn't overwhelming and you've sold me on the product for sure. +1 subscriber
Berhinger really nailed it. Maybe not as nice as the real thing but, for the money. Now you can gig with your favorite synth without worrying about destroying it.
Distressor I remember the gearslutz discussion back when Uli started posting about it. He was getting so much hate and I just quietly watched for months as people basically took huge dumps on the idea. I’m glad the product came out so well. He really proved the point he was trying to make about the price when he started musing about this.
@UnderBridge Rock wow here you are again in a different comment. Again, you can't steal patent designs that are expired and in public domain. Tasteless maybe? Well that's your opinion, but once upon a time kings, queens , and nobility thought it was "tasteless" to have a democratic society where lowly little plebs and peasants could vote and have a say in government. "How Dare They!!!"
@UnderBridge Rock YOUR sound will get watered down? Aww your not special anymore. just stomp your feet and yell "I wanna be special! I wanna be special!" Mary curtis is only pissed cause chip clones means less cash flow into her bank accounts to keep her luxurious lifestyle her husband provided for her. People don't like losing their privileged positions over other people.
Just listened to this comparison for the first time with headphones from the 21:30 mark on, to me the difference is significant, the Boog definitely has a harshness to the sound. wether or not it is worth the difference is personal preference and would depend on how much money you have to spend. I applaud you for creating this video as it serves both buyers well. If you are looking to get the reissue your video highlights the differences nicely and to me makes it worth the money. For the buyers looking to get a Boog to save some money the closeness in sound and value are extraordinary.
I just ran it through my studio, I wouldn't say it was significant. But it's certainly apparent from this point on a few patches. Diminishing returns on the Moog. Same with guitars, once you pass the 1.5k mark people are buying into the brand/look. In Moog's defence, these are built like tanks, and would certainly fair much better on the road or in a studio. The Boog wouldn't last a few show's. Different target audiences I guess.
I swear when i reached the part of your movie where you showed the text "If you are still here you should get a price" at 27:55 ... for a moment i thought i was watching a Monty Python movie and your next line was going to "A Møøse once bit my sister... No realli!"
Great job have you done Starsky. I had a Model D many, many yeras ago.But sold it in 1989 and now I play the Reissue and love it. For me is also important to have a nice chassis and solid knobs. I'm a haptic person. BUT really good job from Behringer. In a Mix I couldn't say it's a D or Behringer.
Me too. I love the Moog, it’s such a beautiful instrument - which is important on many levels. But .... if you haven’t got the funds the Behringer sounds really good.
I echo what SPILT YAK says... definitely the best "comparison" video I have seen to date. I was very interested in this little synth - I guess now I'm a "future owner".
I have been enjoying the Model D iPad app - MIDI controller. Then I watched this video and ordered a used Behringer Model D. Someday, I hope to own a Moog. Your video was extremely well done - honest and informative.
To add sth else important to the discussion here: a great synth doesn't make a great artist or a great song, no matter the price. I've had enough videos where bad producers with equipment of thousands and thousands of dollars are proudly showing their collection of "trophies" while making boring mainstream shit that can be done with the cheaperst software synths. Choose your weapons modestly and work on your craft and your sound design and refine your idea's. The rest is of no importance, just a show off to who?
Exactly.These days most of the musicians are showing off their "trophies" as you said.Never saw this trend decades ago.Who cared ,what musicians used before.It was all about the music they made.Nowadays everyone is shooting their studios and showing off what new great stuff they bought.Nothing bad with that,but looks likes it's becoming so trendy that the musical ideas are left in second priority.
But it most certainly can. I have had my 70's minimoog for over a decade and played it almost every day. It's just fun to play such a beautiful instrument. What you are saying is that "what's on the inside matters" which everyone knows is bullshit. Looks matter just as much if not more. It doesn't matter how beautiful an ugly chick is on the inside, no one wants to fuck her. There will be exactly ZERO people a decade from now who will be playing the Boog every day.
Lol, what a stupid comment. I see plenty of people who might get called “ugly women” (myself included) have sex pretty regularly LMAO. Ever consider your perspective isn’t the only one?
@ Thanos F Right - I would like to go a little further. Way too many musicians think that their "trophies" make them better musicians. I once wrote in a musician´s forum that you get much better results with practicing a lot piano and playing a mediocre synth than not-practicing and playing the newest, most expensive synth. They all were about to lynch me for that.
Brilliant review my friend.......there is no Way now im not getting the Behringer Model D. I can believe how close it sounds. You broke it down very well. I cant see anything better for the money, its insane what u get from the Behringer for the money.....Great job!
You Behringer haters are kinda funny and stupid. When Shear Electronics announced their OB8 clone, the Relic 6 you all cheered and wished them good luck even when the retail price for their clone is going to be around 3k. When Behringer said they'll clone the Oberheim OB-Xa you all went like "oh patent thief" bla bla bla. You guys are hypocrites. I'm willing to bet that if this Model D was made by an another company you guys would praise it. I'm glad Uli is making these 1:1 clones. Go watch the MS-101 vs SH101 video here on UA-cam, their SH101 clone sounds exactly the same as the original. Good clones and very affordable. Looking forward for the Jupiter 8, Prophet 5, Linndrum, Oberheim DMX, ARP Oddessy, PPG Wave, EMU Emulator II clones. I really hope they'll do a Simmons SDSV drum clone.
PadMAD3k, you're talking about "Behringer haters" being hypocrites, but you don't even know what any individual's opinion is on other synth manufacturers. You can't accuse someone of being a hypocrite for an opinion you IMAGINE them to hold. I for one, don't care whether it's Behringer or any other company that's doing it, I just think it's a shitty move for them rip off somebody's product verbatim, rather than doing their own take on it. And you talk about "hypocrisy", yet the ultimate hypocrisy is saying that this is fine, when I bet you'd be butthurt if you'd invented a synth and someone else came along and stole every single thing about your design.
One of the good demoes that are taken into consideration that nr.7 on the pot actually aren’t on the other synth. But rather focusing on whether the other synth can sound like the other, actually are the focus.
Just pass the clone through a juicy pre-amp, or a external filter, cutting off a little bit of high frecuency (above 16 or 18k) and this sound even much much closer... Also, NONE OF US are capable of discerning who is who inside a track finished, mixed and mastered. Respect for Moog and his fans (i´m one of these) Love.
The only question is which one to buy FIRST... This or the Neutron. Thank you Behringer. I shall be using both. And cheers for a great demo dude. Though I am suspicious that behringer could be a gateway synth manufacturer to a full blown Eurorack habit. :-/
It is really sad how upset people get when you tell them that their glorified 5 thousand dollar mono synth can be replicated and sold for less than tenth of the price. None of this matters if you aren't a creative person. If you gave one of these to Rick Wakeman I'm sure he would use it to it's full potential and produce something beautiful instead of crying about how it's not the same as his precious moog.
No, people understand it sounds the exact same, or even better perhaps. However, what you don't get is that the minimoog is more than just it's sound. I have been playing my 70's mini for ten years, basically every day. How many Boog players will boast that in 10 years? probably ZERO. They will all play with it for a few weeks at most, then go on to the next "shiny new object". The non-musician technicians and bleeps and bloops programmers don't get what a musical instrument is all about. They think "$300, i can get a Moog!!!". But it's as simple monosynth i can get one much cheaper than that with more functionality. Wakeman would NEVER use a Boog to it's full potential, nor would anyone, because it lacks any kind of inspiration, history, mojo, etc., all essential elements of a musical instrument, and why stradivari instruments still command such a price even after being debunked in blind tests. So what's sad is people thinking they can get the same inspiration from some cheap toy just because it's a copy of the real deal. The same reason nobody wants to hang out with celebrity lookalikes, even if they look better.
@@34672rr Honestly, thought would you or anyone else know the difference if it showed up on a record. Everyone is going to say, hey man that was a great Moog solo on your second song on the album. I'd be willing to bet these and DAW plugins are going to be all over records because some studios and may not be able to afford a Moog. I'm not taking about Rick Wakeman or Abbey Road Studios, but the thousands of others that are trying to knock out records on a tight recording budget. I'm a big fan of Moog and have toured the factory twice and bought some of their less expensive items. I'm sure that every musician would rather have a MiniMoog just like every guitar player would love a 1958 Les Paul. There's a lot of guitars made in South Korea and Indonesia for less than a grand that sound like that Les Paul and play just as well with a proper intonation and setup.
@@richardhighsmith sure, but none have the inspiration of the OG mini. It's like a celebrity lookalike that looks even better than the celebrity, but no one gives a fuck about them. The mini's functionality is not all that, it's sound is great yeah, and if people want to think they are getting a piece of moog with a copy fine. But no one is going to play it every day like I play my mini, my only synth. It's mostly programmers who do bleeps and bloops and sequencing. And those people are always looking for the next "shiny new object", so a stripped down copy is just a novelty for them. It's not a lifetime commitment to a musical instrument. That connection a musican has with his instrument is important, and even a les paul copy gets you somewhat there, but not a midi controlled standalone box
@@34672rr Welcome to the internet, I see you already learned how to act like an elitist, shortsighted connaisseur, so you'll do fine. People said the same about synths once, then drum machines, then computers and then blablabla
You are wrong, and you are saying that price tag make difference? In how long I’m going to use my synth? LoL I can not afford to spend fortune on something what literally by parts count and labour included plus shipping can cost 300 and sound exactly same! That’s not clever at all what you saying there! Or what about spend exactly same amount of money and have that mini Moog sound polyphonic still much smarter then buying a £3000+ Moog mini that’s for snobs and people who believe it is some kind of magic to build mono synth :DDD we are in 2019 we going forward not backward. Have a good day
theres a reason y this channel doesnt have 100k sub sor more. its called REASONING. and logic. something the masses and haters and fanbois dont like at all
Listening on a perfectly flat monitor system. Eyes closed. I have no idea which one you're playing when going back and forth. Could for all intensive purposes be as subtle as the difference in two vintage minimoogs
@@Capeau There is enough resolution in youtube audio to distinguish any important difference that is not in the „esoterics“ realm. if you need above 16 khz to tell the difference then you are much younger than me. I doubt i even hear anything above 14-15khz .That being said there is not that much important happening above 16 khz. Somebody who knows told me
@@Capeau 1) Good for you. Still nothing important that high apart from aliasing and artefacts that are well known but no one actually wants to hear. Now to the video, Starsky in the video repeatedly mentions how they sound the same. They sound enough the same to me too. Now if you really hear a difference so big that its worth so much fuzz,,, again good for you. I stopped this sensationalism of hearing differences between rca cables and power supplies many years ago and since then enjoy music and producing it much more. 2) Thank you for the explanation. I literally know exactly what happens in most formats. Still don`t care much. Don`t confuse my not caring to me not knowing what i am talking about. Even if you do, its all cool though. You dont need to convince me. I believe that you hear big differences. 3) Weird that you say that because i never implied around what the world revolves and i literally dont have illusions of grandeur like this. Fell too often on my face in my lifetime. I still believe that if there is a difference worth any mentioning then you can hear it even on youtube. Peace
@@Capeau exactly what i mean. They sound the same to HIM (and ME and MANY OTHERS) :-) Who is he to know anything and why are you even watching this is the question since you don`t seem to care about HIS opinion. He seems just like another newbie. Don`t worry about me, i love wall of text and a wall of sound. Happy holidays and also Healthy days i wish you too
There is people saying that it's not a perfect accurate replica..... Well, give me back my teenage and 300 Euros to buy this stuff and I would feel like heaven.....
Just got this at good price around $270. Extremely happy for size and sound. Lovely tiny powerhouse. Created a track with protools using this as lead, Alesis Micron as pad and AIR Minigrand as piano. This Model D really cut through.
Some companies had *decades* to re-release synthesizers that people showed interest in to. People have been literally shouting "I WANT TO PAY YOU A LOT OF MONEY SO I CAN BUY YOUR SYNTHESIZER!". *crickets* Then Behringer shows up and goes "Oh so your IP ran out after all these years... Well, then we can have a go, can't we?".. ..and then all Gearheads invested for 15k or more are like "Oh noes! Please don't do that! Mine is 30 years old and cost 3500 euros!"... ..I've tried the Rd6, TD3, Model D.. And they all sound awesome. As in - the TD3's sound better than my ModeMachines x0xb0xes. I didn't even want the RD6 but got it 2nd hand as a byproduct - its so much fun live and sounds f'ing amazing - for a thing I don't even want :-)
BEHRINGER LIKE TOTALLY RULES!!! I can't wait for them to produce everything iconic from the 70s and 80s to drive downthe ridiculously over inflated vintage synth SNOB market! ;p
It's nice that they stir up the vintage synth market but it would also be cool if they wouldn't shamefully steal every concept of every famous synth ever. It's a bit sad to watch this...
CrazyHorse151 I agree to some extent. People buying behringers are really not the same people buying the expensive stuff. I would never spend the kind of money the moog costs for what I would do with it. But I would definitely get the behringer instead of using softsynths. I also see it as a good thing if they produce stuff that’s out of production and practically unavailable unless you want to mortgage your house to buy something old and second hand and would require huge investments in restoration and maintenance as well.
All of my synths are pre-'83, but I'm completely in favor of what Behringer is doing with their "reproductions" (and I will be buying each one, hopefully!). I bought my gear back in the late '90s when one didn't need to be rich to build up a nice stable of vintage gear. The most I ever paid for something was my 808 and it cost $700, now they're $4k. So even though I own a lot of vintage I wouldn't mind seeing prices go back down to a sane level. Alas, they never will. Behringer's clones will only make the originals more legendary. Look at the guitar market... There are companies that can pretty much build you a Les Paul the same way, with the same materials Gibson did in 1959. Those '59 Les Pauls still go for $400k though. There's better examples out there but I'm sure you get my meaning.
UnderBridge Rock ...It's no different than the 100s of Stratocaster clones the guitar world has spawned (or foot pedal clones for that matter). If existing companies such as Moog and Roland feel they're really being ripped off, they'll sue. Otherwise, Behringer is actually doing the synth world a favor by keeping these designs alive and affordable (and therefore relevant to other than the high-end collector world). Without them or someone else doing it then your only option for owning classic old synth architectures is to shell out huge amounts of cash for unreliable 40+ year old gear. The fact that they're also putting out non-clone gear like the Deepmind (I know, it's supposed to be Juno-esque, but it's far from being not a clone) and Neutron is very encouraging as well.
with the small keyboard controller in front of it, it looks like a miniature Voyager Electric Blue, love it! Great demonstration of the similarities, you got me into thinking of buying one ASAP! :)
With all the things Behringer put on the market with skills like no other can or could before, everyone can put a studio togheter with the same amount of money , just for a only one legendary synth/drum machine budget. Congrats Behringer.
Wow I saw so many comments hyping up the Moog version, and saying the Behringer version didn't even come close. These sound exactly the same like really people are so full of it. In some cases the Behringer sounded better since it's new hardware.
Great video Starsky. Scary how close the behringer is. Still you can't beat the whole build and look of the original MM model, i guess to some people its not about just the sound . 👍👍👍
You’re quite right. If someone offered me the cost of the Moog back and threw in a Behringer for free , I’d keep the Moog. But have to be impressed with the Behringer. I suppose it comes back to the old 80:20 rule. But the Behringer goes further ... it’s more than 80% sonically there for less than 10% of the cost.
When I bought it back in 2018 I was beyond happy, I wanted to learn synths and after the disaster that the MicroKORG was as my first synth I finally learned everything I needed to on the Model D and best part was you're actually having fun making new sounds. I have to say mine has drifted out a bit in the years (the filter kbd tracking is especially bad) but it's my fault for not learning and taking the time to open it up and calibrate the pots. Some things can be fixed by updating the firmware with synthtribe like the pitch wheel not tracking a true full octave at the top and bottom of the scale (you need to refresh the pitch range setting to fix that)
It's amazing what you can do when you have endless money and no morals. Not complaining, deffo gonna buy some behringer stuff, cos well, you know, cheap as hell and loads of fun. I think it's incredible that these before unattainable for most instruments are now completely affordable, and in some cases, updated. But I don't think there was a code to crack. It just takes a company like Behringer with endless money and resources to mass produce such a thing for such a low price. I do heavily question their ethics and attitude towards some of the companies they are so obviously ripping on though.
There were already some recreations of the model D (or parts of) in the modular world. Several ladder filters and cp3 mixers. And a compleat set of model D modules (and much more) from AJH Synth. It's also true about the old Moog modular systems. For instance the system 15 re-made by MOS Lab.
I'm an American, and while I am not particular jingoistic, I do like the fact the Moogs are built here "by hand" in America. That said, is Behringer any worse than anyone else at manufacturing stuff in cheap labor markets?90% of EVERYTHING is built in China - presumably by folks not at the top of the economic food chain.
Jon Heal absolutely. I understand the point. Moog, Hand built, small numbers, in the USA. But it does feel that Moog are trading on their legacy and under the brand name a bit. Yea, it sucks that Behringer use Chinese factories, but I bet everyone commenting on this post and moaning about it, is doing so on a Chinese made phone or laptop, which makes it a moot point.
Who was going to say that one day we could do a blind test between Moog Minimoog and a Behringer D and would be very difficult to say which is which...amazing. I'm a owner of a Moog Sub 37 and I just had to buy a Behringer after watching your comparation. The Sub 37 is a moster in modulation terms, but the Minimoog has the sound and is much more flexible in the sonic spectrum. Minimoog is, to me, the king of the synths. Thanks so much for so good test-comparation, it opened my eyes!
it is the king of synths, which is why I bought one over a decade ago. But it isn't the king because of it's sound or functionality alone. The king is the king because he's the king, and if you take anything away from the king, he is no longer the king. The Boog is basically like a really good celebrity lookalike that maybe even looks or acts better than the celebrity. But who the hell wants to hang around the lookalike over the real thing?
As someone who owns a Moog I am impressed by the Boog. Based on this and other videos I've seen I can understand how for some the price difference can't justify owning the original. Moog owners shouldn't thumb their noses at Behringer or those who praise or like BMD. By the same token I think those who call Moog owners elitist or other kinds of names I can only respond with this thought...if money were not an issue and you were given the chance to own a Porsche or a Chevy Bolt which would you choose? For some they don't care because all that matters is that they get from point A to B, but for others the dream of owning a Porsche is enough to justify such a purchase. I'm just thankful that we now have alternatives and/or options which I see as a win-win for all musicians.
beware the Boog!!
I fully agree with you. Today we have alternatives, among them I see the low cost VSTIs plugins like the miniverse from Cherry Audio, a moog in our PC for only 39 dollars is not to be despised. Today we have alternatives and that is important for all musicians.
Another Model D owner here, I totally commend what you're saying. I own my Model D for a few reasons and some are more irrational than others. Tone, obviously - the overdrive on the Model D still seems unique when pushed and no emulation or copy has really nailed it, and that's where the magic is. But to be honest, it's the romance more than anything. I pay the extra to be entranced by the instrument, to touch something that is historically important and aesthetically beautiful. What can I say!? I understand it isn't technically important, but few things of ultimate worth are. The Boog is a beast! Hats off for the great sound!
I would choose the bolt. I have no need for a high insurance bill or silly sports car.
Unless I could sell the Porsche. If that's allowed, I sell the porsche and now have enough to buy the bolt with plenty left over.
Easy.
Also that's a bad comparison because the Porsche is functionally faster than the bolt, if far less energy efficient.
The beh and moog are basically the same. Nothing like the porsche vs bolt comparison.
you say its a boring video because they sound identical, but it's equally entertaining hearing you say "wow, that's amazing" after each test
Well, it is amazing!
Kek
Oh man, some of the comments here. Fing amazing. We've had the 72 original (completely redone btw) above the Boog, differences were slight at best. Behringer did a great job.
Got lots of great select vintage onhand here but I would have to say the greatest aspect to what Behringer is providing is:
- getting these older synths sound and UI into the hands of a younger gen.
- allowing vintage owners to keep the vintage safe n sound in the studio while taking a low-cost, tactile, equivalent to the stage.
Ignore the self-proclaimers
WOW! BOOG! :-D Such as a meanful word...! Congrats! :-D
Excellent and very just remark there Sir.
I've played around with an original and a Behringer and there is a noticeable difference in practice. Much like the difference between a U67 and a Rode. In practice not much of a difference until you mix it with other sounds. The Behringer is made with surface mount components that are made with current manufacturing processes. It's not a bad sound, just a bit more raspy, dry and less rubbery, less magic than the old Moog. May actually be better for modern stuff
@@hardlife8026 what a load of garbage. Why would surface mount sound different to through hole ?
@@NamelessSmile Well, I can tell you have never tried it. There is a very strong difference, but you know it all, so what's the point of talking to you... Anis ...
Behringer should be paying you for some of these comparisons. Really well done and comprehensive. Some people just forget also that Moog is expensive because the quality of build, materials, and its american. But given today's tech, it's not surprising to see behringer has succeeded so well in recreating classic synths without much compromise to the actual sound or reliability.
Not really because Behringer Monopoly and Poly D are very well built quality feeling sythersizors, and dont feel cheap in any way shape or form.
Yes really because Moog builds minimoogs out of things like a Cherry-wood case where Beh uses plastic, metal panel where Beh uses plastic, etc. Each synth is assembled by hand at Moog out of proud professional tradition. And if it matters to you, Beh is manufactured in China whereas Moog in the States. Because i’m a professional i saved up to own a Sequential Prophet X which is another expensive hand-built synth with wooden panels etc. and honestly, i feel it is absolutely wonderful that people starting out and hobbyists can afford great new gear. Behringer stuff sounds good, very good in many cases. But when you get to the point where you’re a professional musician, things like having the best possible build quality, best possible filter design etc, it really does make a difference. It’s the difference between buying a student violin, vs if you’re playing professionally in an orchestra, owning a professional-quality violin or whatever.
To say there is no difference in quality between an instrument made fully of plastic versus an instrument made of wood and metal, is ludicrous. Difference in sound may be quite slight (i can hear a difference in the filter, the Moog is smoother as it glides through the harmonic series, the Beh has a more defined harmonic series), but the build quality is absolutely very different.
@@sub-jec-tiv I watched the livestream of the building of there Minimoogs and its basically just assembled by hand the parts come in sent from a manufacturer the same as Behringer or any other synthesizer. The Minimoog is mostly made of wood and the Behringer Poly D is made mostly from metal and some wood side panels. I have the Behringer Monopoly, all the knobs and buttons feel good quality just like any other synthesizer and overall is a well built quality product.
@@sub-jec-tiv 800 or 5000? Ill take the cheap wood
@@sub-jec-tiv Just untrue. What f*cking plastic? Have you really put your hands on a Behringer synth? Clearly you haven't, otherwise you would know the building quality of the Behringer is on a par with the original.
1 1/2 years later and ive got a used korg xd5,a crave, a tb 3,a used kawi k4,a 32 channel mixer some used jbl monitors to add to the rig and bunch of groceries and toilet paper on the money i saved on a mini moog.....
I'm happy
How much toilet paper do you have left? I’ve run out personally
Best comparison yet! You're very good at it. Sounds virtually identical. If I had an old Moog already I'd keep it because I like vintage stuff and don't need the money. But for someone starting out, it can't be beat!
Your comparison videos are really the best in the Internet. Made with much effort, great information to all aspects and very objective. It’s really a great service for the community and the consumer to decide, what to buy. I always enjoy your videos since years.
Thanks it’s really nice to hear that people enjoy them and find them useful
Just pulled the trigger on a Model D after realizing how incredible my Deepmind 12D was. This video helped me seal the deal, thank you!
Mind blow!
Everytime you post a video i end up on Thomann.
Apologies to your bank account
apologies to real music stores, as well...
Ironically, they don't have it...
@@mouldeck fuckk them
@@StarskyCarr So I just came from your WASP video and went to your channel (Subbed with all notifications btw), found this, and I'm amazed! In the comments of that Video I was saying that it's ridiculous all of the affordable options, [quickly] Behringer; Model D, WASP, Neutron, CRAVE, MS-1, and then the Roland SE-02, all in the $250 to $350 range, and they're all amazing. But after watchiing this, even considering the Neutron has 32 patch points or whatever, the SE-02 has a sequencer with 162 presets or something, and the more options on others for other semi-modular pros, etc., _BUT_ I'm going to have the get the Model D. I have to. For $298.99 I can't bring myself to get something else. If you have an affiliate link to somewhere, let me know and I'll use it. *GREAT VIDEO!*
Starsky Carr - PLEASE post a link to the picture of the patch at 21:00 ~ Absolutely incredible sound you configured. And then at 21:50 as well. Dreamy & Floaty, yet Meaty & Gritty as well. It's candy for my ear-holes!
Yeahhh
Best comparison I've seen so far. You surely know your synths.. the flow with which you get the sounds to sound similar shows how much you've mastered analog synthesis. Congratulations.
Thanks, you’re very kind :)
15 years ago I got a Behringer multi-bus mixer. It was so much functionality and was so affordable compared to the big names. So, long-time fan. So cool to see them doing such good work emulating vintage equipment, synths and pedals.
I am a "hater of the behringer stuff"... but I have to admit, this sounds awesome.
Sounds a little like you’re opening up at an alcoholics’ anonymous meeting. Thanks for sharing :)
I am a hater of Moog stuff, but I have to admit, this sounds awesome.
@@spurv I love behinger and moog stuff, and have to admit, this sounds ho hum, just like the minimoog. however, I get inspiration from my 70's minimoog that makes me make it sound incredible, unlike this crap which is completely uninspired.
@@34672rr you're really on a crusade reply to everyone that you have a 70s Moog, it's quite entertaining. Can you tell again how you get inspired by it ?
wiremessiah yeah while your 70’s mini is in the shop getting repaired again I’ll still be being inspired by my little Behringer.
I’ve never been a Moog type person, but I ordered a Behri D, and I love it. Having a lot of fun recording with it. Love the instrument (Lo) output so you can plug it straight into guitar pedals and not worry about clipping and impedance mismatch. Sounds amazing through a nice overdrive or distortion.
Its a no brainer unless you own the real thing. I keep seeing people say, “Yeah, but it will probably break in a few years.” So? Then I’ll buy another, and could do so for the next few decades and still having not payed the same as a real Mini.
I get it....the Moog is a luxury instrument. Gorgeous wood, lovely keybed....its nice, if you care about that stuff. I just wanna make music. For gigging? C’mon....somebody steals your Behri D or spills a drink on it? No worries.
@Le Spam they know what a moog synth is, even my Dad knew what one was before I got one. Google Doodle even did the minimoog. When people see my 70's mini, they know what it is, musician or not. No one will know what some crappy plastic box is among all the other crappy plastic boxes are. Sound isn't everything, otherwise people wouldn't be listening to electronic music in the first place.
@@34672rr wow i see that you are leading some kind of moog crusade but with your every comment i read I am losing more and more braincells because I didnt know how narrowminded someone can be... And what??? Why people listen to electronic music from dubstep through techno and dance to ambient? Because somebody has moog???
Bro the Behringer sounds exactly the same, it's a no Brainer, get the Behringer and have access to the exact same sounds as the moog and have more money for other gear
@@TheStellarmanCo. exactly,it’s also a good therapy to move away from VST Nirvana on my computer
@@34672rr
lol, are you a professional comedian? 😄
Wow, I'm dying to create many of those lovely modulating sounds you made toward the end of the video. Just got the Model D a couple of months ago, and it's keeper. I like it more than my Mother 32.
they sound to me completely identical,as expected,since both follow the same exactly scematics.
nice review.
$3000. vs $300 ? No brainer. Yes Moog is an Iconic brand but i can't justify paying so much money for a monophonic synth.
I could agree with you, but Minimoog is not a monophonic synth, it is the SYNTH
I'm holding out for the Neutron.
If you want that sound you want that sound. It is simple.
$3000 just to noodle around, no thanks.
i'm happy with my Mother 32 and Analog 4
I had two Model D's from 1978 - 1988, they both sounded slightly different .. no less different than these two sound slightly different. I sold them for $150.00 each and never regretted it. By the time I sold them they were just collecting dust as my Jupiter 8 and DX7 were serving up the full pallette of sounds I needed for our working cover band and my own personal studio work. There is no way I could ever justify paying 30 times what I sold my original Model D for to buy a re-issue .. but this Behringer D is a no brainer .. I await the fulfilment of my order. Cool video 👍 Thanks
Thanks Chris. I think there's a fair bit of elitism about these things. I like my Minimoog but don't consider it the pinnacle of synth engineering by any means.
Minimoogs are very nice instruments but they are way too expensive.... look at the schematics, they are simple devices, and they're monophonic.
Rene Otten simple & GREAT.
Chris Strobel Cool story man, I like it 🤔
So you’re saying you don’t regret selling those moogs even though you could’ve sold them for upwards of $4,000?
You've just blown my mind, and saved me lots of money
@fooloof true
'I'm not complaining... just noticing...' love it. I'll use that line for the rest of my life. You're only 2 minutes in and this the best tutorial ever...
Dennis White Oi that’s copywrited!!!
Great comparison and unbelievably similar
Thank you for this. I think some people who have the real deal feel like it is taking something away from them if they admit the clone really does the job. Tiny differences with the modulation are ineveitable but if mini sounds are what someone needs nobody could reasonably say that the D is a bad choice.
owning a Voyager, a Minimax, the Arturia V Moog and the Behringer D, I must say that the closest match to my old original Moog D is by far the Behringer!
hi . what do you do with oscillators tuning issues ?
Ill give you 300 for the voyager, that way you can own two model D's. :)
@@statueoftheabyss6886 haha
The Mini Moog is a classic, like a Fender Strat, or a Les Paul, or a '57 Chevy. An Icon. I can't believe I actually have one now - without breaking the bank! I've been lusting for one of these since 1975! This video sold me. nice job.
Great vid! I own a MiniMoog, a Voyager XL, a Source, and a _slew_ of other-brand analog legends from the 80's. I'm gonna grab 3 Behringer Model D's for under $1000. A no brainer... THANKS!!!
YOU should get the prize. Then again, you made the prize for those who listened to the entire video. Words can not express what fun I just had, thanks to your creativity making a waveform do what you want.
I hate those people who buy generic ibuprofen instead of Nurofen. Nurofen is much better because it's more expensive.
There's nothing like the natural old-school warmth of vintage Advil.
I still have some Bayer aspirin from the early 80's - talk about fat and warm! Nothing like what we get these days.
Slight difference between peoples well being and stealing/copying
No difference. Once the copyright has expired anybody can use the same design.
Wayne: "I can't think about it anymore, its giving me a headache."
Garth: "Here, take these..."
Wayne: "Ah, Nuprin. little, yellow, different..."
That was AMAZING Starsky WOW!!!!!!
Thank you so much for such a great demo!!!!!
I’m ordering the Model D today!
Can’t get over the amazing demo and I even closed my eyes and could not for the life of me differentiate which was which insanely amazing!!!
If I had the money I’d buy a moog, especially given its quality and heritage. The thing is that I’ll never have that kind of money for a synth and behringer does a fantastic service to those non rich among us which would still like to get the minimoog sound. I looked at the moog mother 32 (which I can afford), yet the sound signature is a bit different.
Behringer has done a terrific job on this one. It sounds identical to the real thing.
Brilliant comparison. You definitely know your Minimoog and it shows when you're setting up and matching the sounds on the two units. I can't believe how accurate and good the Behringer sounds for that price! I'm thinking of getting one to learn on before I eventually upgrade to a Subsequent 37 (for the duophonic mode and sequencer) or a used Voyager.
It would be a great learning tool. Better than plugins and apps as you’re forced to program from scratch - no presets!
Its a pleasure to program. I have never been a Moog guy.....always loved old Roland, Oberheim, and DSI. I can’t take my hands off the Behringer. Its a no brainer, and its the best sounding mono I’ve ever owned.
Better than my Mopho, better than my Boomstar SEM, better than my SH-2, better than any discrete mono I’ve used. Love the instrument level output...can plug it straight into cheap guitar pedals and have a blast.
I had the Subsequent 37 and sold it after buying 2 Boogs. much cheaper and better sounding IMHO.
IHaveSynthed never liked the sound of the Sub series.....the Little/Slim always sounded better to me. The Sub37 has some really cool features, but I agree, that the Behri D has better sounding osc’s and VCF.
Better sounding you say?
Watched till the very end...wonderful, wonderful, wonderful!!
One of the most credible UA-camrs has tested this product and confirms what we have heard before: the sound of this creation is outstanding. I'm one of those happy to have come across a Reissue and it's of the best quality and of "American precision" built to last for more than 50 years. All I can say though is congratulations to Behringer and everyone else who dreamed about this. Personally, I'm waiting for what's coming on the market in this ballpark and the sooner the better ...but for me its all about the bass
Thanks Micke
Behringer have absolutely knocked it out of the park. A+ reissue.
Love this tiny little box. If you take the faster LFO and especially the CV capabilities of the Boog into account behringer actually wins
good luck reselling this valueless pile of shit
Excellent comparison video man, Jumping onto Thomann now 😁 cheers dude
This is an excellent comparison! Thank you for this!
Damn, I didn't expect such a close call between those two. Imma get a Model D next month maybe :D
Very effective review and comparison, thanks for sharing!
I can buy the Behringer for the cost of the sales tax on a Moog Model D. I'm not in the tax bracket to drop Moog kind of money on a monosynth.
Well then you are wasting money on a depreciating asset, rather than one who's value will only increase. Think long term strategically, and perhaps you will get in a higher tax bracket. Plus, even if the Boog sounds better, it's just not the same as having a real minimoog by a damn sight. Music and art are all about inspiration, and the Boog has exactly Zero of it, other than the fact that it's a copy of the greatest musical synthesizer ever. I have been playing my 70's mini for ten years, basically every day. How many Boog players will boast that in 10 years? probably ZERO
Taxation is theft. Good choice.
@@mikeexits nope. theft is taking something you didn't pay for, like roads, police, firefighting, animal control, military strength, political stability etc etc. "Taxation is theft" is something cheap selfish takers say who take everything they have for granted and just want more
@@34672rr War is murder, taxation is theft, police are gangs, politicians are criminals. Have a nice day :)
@@34672rr OH and BTW, most of our tax dollars (in the US) go to the military industrial complex, who spends more annually than the other top 6 military spenders worldwide combined.
Great demo. My Behringer Model D comes tomorrow; can't wait!! Just got a DeepMind 12. This low cost synth is very good & well worth a try too. Thanks.
The only thing I noticed on my earbuds (not great headphones) is that the Behringer had a slightly harsher high end and the Moog had a nicer and smoother high end. However, you could probably just throw a little high pass filter with a gentle slope on the Behringer and get the same effect. As a previous Model D and 5U Modular owner, I am surprised how close Behringer got. Really cool. But, there will be a bunch of people that will pay for that last 3% for authenticity (like audiophiles, etc.).
*low-pass filter, y’mean? 🤔
Great job and thanks for the effort. Knew they were close (only have a Moog Voyager though), but they're even closer than I realized...seriously excellent comparison.
very very good video - thanks for this - i have the D but was wondering whether im missing out and should buy a real d - your comparison is excellent and has settled my mind to be v happy with what i have - thanks
I worked at a well-known music retailer in the early 90s, and Behringer gear was a joke in those days. I think I had a Behringer mixer for a while, and it was junk.
Cut to 2015, and my 90s band did some 20th anniversary gigs. Our sound guy brought a Behringer wireless mixer to the rehearsal space (and later, to the gigs) and he could walk around the rehearsal space and the venues and mix the sound on his iPhone. I was blown away by the specs, build quality, and price of the Behringer wireless mixer. It was around that time that I learned Behringer was cloning old synths. I picked up the modded TB303 knockoff a year or so ago, and I'm about to order the Roland SH101 clone this weekend
Great effort and thank you for making this. It;s shocking just how close they are. @7:18 The Moog is slightly smoother in the sweep but not by much. From a pure physical performance instrument the Moog has the keyboard I like most because the lowest note starts on F. ....not low C like most keyboards. Just personal preference from a keyboard playing perspective. Weird how the mini was the only keyboard to start with LOW F as far as I know.
hey, the Korg MS-10 etc starts with the low F as well.
This comparison is excellent, well done mate! Not too much talking, banter wasn't overwhelming and you've sold me on the product for sure. +1 subscriber
Model D is one of the best deals in the music business. Period.
The DeepMind 6 tho
Best synthesizer comparison videos on YT right here! Thank you
Cheers, nice to have you appreciation :)
Hey Behringer, make a CS-80 clone for, let's say, 500 USD.
hey what about 100?
What about the Synclavier? that 200k synthesizer.
Hey what about Akai S1000?
Oh yes, i 'd pay 400$ for a cs clone
Funny you should say that.
Thanks, did not expect that close! Awesome
Best comparison video out there! Thank you
High praise indeed. Glad you liked it
wow. I didn't expect this. I'm impressed.
Berhinger really nailed it. Maybe not as nice as the real thing but, for the money. Now you can gig with your favorite synth without worrying about destroying it.
Distressor I remember the gearslutz discussion back when Uli started posting about it. He was getting so much hate and I just quietly watched for months as people basically took huge dumps on the idea. I’m glad the product came out so well. He really proved the point he was trying to make about the price when he started musing about this.
I hear what your saying. I have a older pro1 that I take pride in having. I was a little bummed out to see them clone it.
@UnderBridge Rock wow here you are again in a different comment. Again, you can't steal patent designs that are expired and in public domain. Tasteless maybe? Well that's your opinion, but once upon a time kings, queens , and nobility thought it was "tasteless" to have a democratic society where lowly little plebs and peasants could vote and have a say in government. "How Dare They!!!"
@@auratone25 Yeah your bummed because your specialness is not so sepecial anymore
@UnderBridge Rock YOUR sound will get watered down? Aww your not special anymore. just stomp your feet and yell "I wanna be special! I wanna be special!"
Mary curtis is only pissed cause chip clones means less cash flow into her bank accounts to keep her luxurious lifestyle her husband provided for her. People don't like losing their privileged positions over other people.
Just listened to this comparison for the first time with headphones from the 21:30 mark on, to me the difference is significant, the Boog definitely has a harshness to the sound. wether or not it is worth the difference is personal preference and would depend on how much money you have to spend. I applaud you for creating this video as it serves both buyers well. If you are looking to get the reissue your video highlights the differences nicely and to me makes it worth the money. For the buyers looking to get a Boog to save some money the closeness in sound and value are extraordinary.
I just ran it through my studio, I wouldn't say it was significant. But it's certainly apparent from this point on a few patches. Diminishing returns on the Moog. Same with guitars, once you pass the 1.5k mark people are buying into the brand/look. In Moog's defence, these are built like tanks, and would certainly fair much better on the road or in a studio. The Boog wouldn't last a few show's. Different target audiences I guess.
I swear when i reached the part of your movie where you showed the text "If you are still here you should get a price" at 27:55 ... for a moment i thought i was watching a Monty Python movie and your next line was going to "A Møøse once bit my sister... No realli!"
Great job have you done Starsky. I had a Model D many, many yeras ago.But sold it in 1989 and now I play the Reissue and love it. For me is also important to have a nice chassis and solid knobs. I'm a haptic person.
BUT really good job from Behringer. In a Mix I couldn't say it's a D or Behringer.
Me too. I love the Moog, it’s such a beautiful instrument - which is important on many levels. But .... if you haven’t got the funds the Behringer sounds really good.
I echo what SPILT YAK says... definitely the best "comparison" video I have seen to date. I was very interested in this little synth - I guess now I'm a "future owner".
I have been enjoying the Model D iPad app - MIDI controller. Then I watched this video and ordered a used Behringer Model D. Someday, I hope to own a Moog. Your video was extremely well done - honest and informative.
To add sth else important to the discussion here: a great synth doesn't make a great artist or a great song, no matter the price. I've had enough videos where bad producers with equipment of thousands and thousands of dollars are proudly showing their collection of "trophies" while making boring mainstream shit that can be done with the cheaperst software synths. Choose your weapons modestly and work on your craft and your sound design and refine your idea's. The rest is of no importance, just a show off to who?
Exactly.These days most of the musicians are showing off their "trophies" as you said.Never saw this trend decades ago.Who cared ,what musicians used before.It was all about the music they made.Nowadays everyone is shooting their studios and showing off what new great stuff they bought.Nothing bad with that,but looks likes it's becoming so trendy that the musical ideas are left in second priority.
I've had fun listening to a casiotone - it's all in the hands of the artist and the ears of the beholder
But it most certainly can. I have had my 70's minimoog for over a decade and played it almost every day. It's just fun to play such a beautiful instrument. What you are saying is that "what's on the inside matters" which everyone knows is bullshit. Looks matter just as much if not more. It doesn't matter how beautiful an ugly chick is on the inside, no one wants to fuck her. There will be exactly ZERO people a decade from now who will be playing the Boog every day.
Lol, what a stupid comment. I see plenty of people who might get called “ugly women” (myself included) have sex pretty regularly LMAO. Ever consider your perspective isn’t the only one?
@ Thanos F
Right - I would like to go a little further. Way too many musicians think that their "trophies" make them better musicians. I once wrote in a musician´s forum that you get much better results with practicing a lot piano and playing a mediocre synth than not-practicing and playing the newest, most expensive synth. They all were about to lynch me for that.
Brilliant review my friend.......there is no Way now im not getting the Behringer Model D. I can believe how close it sounds. You broke it down very well. I cant see anything better for the money, its insane what u get from the Behringer for the money.....Great job!
nice comparison! I could only compare the Behringer with my Sub37 - but it's awesome how close it's to the original
What a fun comparison. I'd love a Moog but would be happy being able to afford the Behringer.
You Behringer haters are kinda funny and stupid. When Shear Electronics announced their OB8 clone, the Relic 6 you all cheered and wished them good luck even when the retail price for their clone is going to be around 3k. When Behringer said they'll clone the Oberheim OB-Xa you all went like "oh patent thief" bla bla bla. You guys are hypocrites. I'm willing to bet that if this Model D was made by an another company you guys would praise it. I'm glad Uli is making these 1:1 clones. Go watch the MS-101 vs SH101 video here on UA-cam, their SH101 clone sounds exactly the same as the original. Good clones and very affordable. Looking forward for the Jupiter 8, Prophet 5, Linndrum, Oberheim DMX, ARP Oddessy, PPG Wave, EMU Emulator II clones. I really hope they'll do a Simmons SDSV drum clone.
The only one stupid is you, making sweeping generalizations about others whose opinion you have no clue about. Well done.
@@mclarensmps Alright, I'll bite. If you're a Behringer hater, what is your unique reason?
PadMAD3k, you're talking about "Behringer haters" being hypocrites, but you don't even know what any individual's opinion is on other synth manufacturers. You can't accuse someone of being a hypocrite for an opinion you IMAGINE them to hold. I for one, don't care whether it's Behringer or any other company that's doing it, I just think it's a shitty move for them rip off somebody's product verbatim, rather than doing their own take on it. And you talk about "hypocrisy", yet the ultimate hypocrisy is saying that this is fine, when I bet you'd be butthurt if you'd invented a synth and someone else came along and stole every single thing about your design.
@@mclarensmps loool our snob is touched on his bought soul
@@prodigalretrod buy a bontempi
This really is the definitive comparison. Very nicely done 👌🏽
I paid $219 for mine. Behringer's philosophy is that everyone should be able to afford one while sounding identical! That my friend is a winner!
@NelyL You won't be disappointed!
Incredible work and result. And great to ear the opening/ending music.
One of the good demoes that are taken into consideration that nr.7 on the pot actually aren’t on the other synth.
But rather focusing on whether the other synth can sound like the other, actually are the focus.
Love the comparison videos means a lot to a analog man like me
Behringer came a long way, from the worst company to one of the best
My thoughts as well.
What? How on earth have they got better?
Oh no I've been insulted on the internet whatever shall I do? You got me, now I have to kill myself. Get a life man.
despacito
I actually am curious, because all I've seen of Behringer so far has wowed me, how were they bad?
Great comparison. They are identical!
aphex twin; stone in focus 21:47 🖤 incredibly informative vid. thank you for taking the time and making all this effort to share eons of knowledge
great isnt it
Thanks for sharing! I’m really thinking about getting one.
Just pass the clone through a juicy pre-amp, or a external filter, cutting off a little bit of high frecuency (above 16 or 18k) and this sound even much much closer... Also, NONE OF US are capable of discerning who is who inside a track finished, mixed and mastered.
Respect for Moog and his fans (i´m one of these)
Love.
I think you want to write none...
EXACTLY!
Good video. I was on the fence before. I think im all in now....wowwww
The only question is which one to buy FIRST... This or the Neutron.
Thank you Behringer. I shall be using both.
And cheers for a great demo dude.
Though I am suspicious that behringer could be a gateway synth manufacturer to a full blown Eurorack habit. :-/
eric blair Save a little bit longer, and you can swing both. But I would get this one first, if I absolutely had to have one now...
love your vids! always so helpful!
Cheers, appreciated.
Starsky Carr mailed you :)
It is really sad how upset people get when you tell them that their glorified 5 thousand dollar mono synth can be replicated and sold for less than tenth of the price. None of this matters if you aren't a creative person. If you gave one of these to Rick Wakeman I'm sure he would use it to it's full potential and produce something beautiful instead of crying about how it's not the same as his precious moog.
No, people understand it sounds the exact same, or even better perhaps. However, what you don't get is that the minimoog is more than just it's sound. I have been playing my 70's mini for ten years, basically every day. How many Boog players will boast that in 10 years? probably ZERO. They will all play with it for a few weeks at most, then go on to the next "shiny new object". The non-musician technicians and bleeps and bloops programmers don't get what a musical instrument is all about. They think "$300, i can get a Moog!!!". But it's as simple monosynth i can get one much cheaper than that with more functionality. Wakeman would NEVER use a Boog to it's full potential, nor would anyone, because it lacks any kind of inspiration, history, mojo, etc., all essential elements of a musical instrument, and why stradivari instruments still command such a price even after being debunked in blind tests.
So what's sad is people thinking they can get the same inspiration from some cheap toy just because it's a copy of the real deal. The same reason nobody wants to hang out with celebrity lookalikes, even if they look better.
@@34672rr Honestly, thought would you or anyone else know the difference if it showed up on a record. Everyone is going to say, hey man that was a great Moog solo on your second song on the album. I'd be willing to bet these and DAW plugins are going to be all over records because some studios and may not be able to afford a Moog. I'm not taking about Rick Wakeman or Abbey Road Studios, but the thousands of others that are trying to knock out records on a tight recording budget. I'm a big fan of Moog and have toured the factory twice and bought some of their less expensive items. I'm sure that every musician would rather have a MiniMoog just like every guitar player would love a 1958 Les Paul. There's a lot of guitars made in South Korea and Indonesia for less than a grand that sound like that Les Paul and play just as well with a proper intonation and setup.
@@richardhighsmith sure, but none have the inspiration of the OG mini. It's like a celebrity lookalike that looks even better than the celebrity, but no one gives a fuck about them. The mini's functionality is not all that, it's sound is great yeah, and if people want to think they are getting a piece of moog with a copy fine. But no one is going to play it every day like I play my mini, my only synth. It's mostly programmers who do bleeps and bloops and sequencing. And those people are always looking for the next "shiny new object", so a stripped down copy is just a novelty for them. It's not a lifetime commitment to a musical instrument. That connection a musican has with his instrument is important, and even a les paul copy gets you somewhat there, but not a midi controlled standalone box
@@34672rr Welcome to the internet, I see you already learned how to act like an elitist, shortsighted connaisseur, so you'll do fine.
People said the same about synths once, then drum machines, then computers and then blablabla
You are wrong, and you are saying that price tag make difference? In how long I’m going to use my synth? LoL I can not afford to spend fortune on something what literally by parts count and labour included plus shipping can cost 300 and sound exactly same! That’s not clever at all what you saying there! Or what about spend exactly same amount of money and have that mini Moog sound polyphonic still much smarter then buying a £3000+ Moog mini that’s for snobs and people who believe it is some kind of magic to build mono synth :DDD we are in 2019 we going forward not backward. Have a good day
theres a reason y this channel doesnt have 100k sub sor more. its called REASONING. and logic. something the masses and haters and fanbois dont like at all
Listening on a perfectly flat monitor system. Eyes closed. I have no idea which one you're playing when going back and forth. Could for all intensive purposes be as subtle as the difference in two vintage minimoogs
*intents and purposes
@@xBattsey thanks
@@Capeau There is enough resolution in youtube audio to distinguish any important difference that is not in the „esoterics“ realm. if you need above 16 khz to tell the difference then you are much younger than me. I doubt i even hear anything above 14-15khz .That being said there is not that much important happening above 16 khz. Somebody who knows told me
@@Capeau 1) Good for you. Still nothing important that high apart from aliasing and artefacts that are well known but no one actually wants to hear.
Now to the video, Starsky in the video repeatedly mentions how they sound the same. They sound enough the same to me too. Now if you really hear a difference so big that its worth so much fuzz,,, again good for you. I stopped this sensationalism of hearing differences between rca cables and power supplies many years ago and since then enjoy music and producing it much more. 2) Thank you for the explanation. I literally know exactly what happens in most formats. Still don`t care much. Don`t confuse my not caring to me not knowing what i am talking about. Even if you do, its all cool though. You dont need to convince me. I believe that you hear big differences. 3) Weird that you say that because i never implied around what the world revolves and i literally dont have illusions of grandeur like this. Fell too often on my face in my lifetime. I still believe that if there is a difference worth any mentioning then you can hear it even on youtube. Peace
@@Capeau exactly what i mean. They sound the same to HIM (and ME and MANY OTHERS) :-) Who is he to know anything and why are you even watching this is the question since you don`t seem to care about HIS opinion. He seems just like another newbie. Don`t worry about me, i love wall of text and a wall of sound. Happy holidays and also Healthy days i wish you too
Another great video.. well done. Love the genuine chuckle throughout!
Schulze
There is people saying that it's not a perfect accurate replica..... Well, give me back my teenage and 300 Euros to buy this stuff and I would feel like heaven.....
Just got this at good price around $270. Extremely happy for size and sound. Lovely tiny powerhouse. Created a track with protools using this as lead, Alesis Micron as pad and AIR Minigrand as piano. This Model D really cut through.
Nicely done Starsky.
Thanks, appreciated.
Thanks for all fanstastic videos!!!! Nevermind beh o another synthsss , love sound and curiosity!!! Cheers
Some companies had *decades* to re-release synthesizers that people showed interest in to.
People have been literally shouting "I WANT TO PAY YOU A LOT OF MONEY SO I CAN BUY YOUR SYNTHESIZER!".
*crickets*
Then Behringer shows up and goes "Oh so your IP ran out after all these years... Well, then we can have a go, can't we?"..
..and then all Gearheads invested for 15k or more are like "Oh noes! Please don't do that! Mine is 30 years old and cost 3500 euros!"...
..I've tried the Rd6, TD3, Model D.. And they all sound awesome.
As in - the TD3's sound better than my ModeMachines x0xb0xes.
I didn't even want the RD6 but got it 2nd hand as a byproduct - its so much fun live and sounds f'ing amazing - for a thing I don't even want :-)
Saw this vid last friday, no brainer. Went to the shop Saturday. Best deal ever.
BEHRINGER LIKE TOTALLY RULES!!! I can't wait for them to produce everything iconic from the 70s and 80s to drive downthe ridiculously over inflated vintage synth SNOB market! ;p
It's nice that they stir up the vintage synth market but it would also be cool if they wouldn't shamefully steal every concept of every famous synth ever. It's a bit sad to watch this...
CrazyHorse151 I agree to some extent. People buying behringers are really not the same people buying the expensive stuff. I would never spend the kind of money the moog costs for what I would do with it. But I would definitely get the behringer instead of using softsynths. I also see it as a good thing if they produce stuff that’s out of production and practically unavailable unless you want to mortgage your house to buy something old and second hand and would require huge investments in restoration and maintenance as well.
All of my synths are pre-'83, but I'm completely in favor of what Behringer is doing with their "reproductions" (and I will be buying each one, hopefully!). I bought my gear back in the late '90s when one didn't need to be rich to build up a nice stable of vintage gear. The most I ever paid for something was my 808 and it cost $700, now they're $4k. So even though I own a lot of vintage I wouldn't mind seeing prices go back down to a sane level. Alas, they never will. Behringer's clones will only make the originals more legendary. Look at the guitar market... There are companies that can pretty much build you a Les Paul the same way, with the same materials Gibson did in 1959. Those '59 Les Pauls still go for $400k though. There's better examples out there but I'm sure you get my meaning.
UnderBridge Rock ...It's no different than the 100s of Stratocaster clones the guitar world has spawned (or foot pedal clones for that matter). If existing companies such as Moog and Roland feel they're really being ripped off, they'll sue. Otherwise, Behringer is actually doing the synth world a favor by keeping these designs alive and affordable (and therefore relevant to other than the high-end collector world). Without them or someone else doing it then your only option for owning classic old synth architectures is to shell out huge amounts of cash for unreliable 40+ year old gear. The fact that they're also putting out non-clone gear like the Deepmind (I know, it's supposed to be Juno-esque, but it's far from being not a clone) and Neutron is very encouraging as well.
UnderBridge Rock except the houses and stores are actually pretty nice
with the small keyboard controller in front of it, it looks like a miniature Voyager Electric Blue, love it! Great demonstration of the similarities, you got me into thinking of buying one ASAP! :)
For the price you can’t go wrong. It’s a real fun bit of kit, and sounds wonderful.
With all the things Behringer put on the market with skills like no other can or could before, everyone can put a studio togheter with the same amount of money , just for a only one legendary synth/drum machine budget. Congrats Behringer.
at 28:00 not just quite relaxing, that's hypnotic! thanks for your video, now I'm buying one...
Wow I saw so many comments hyping up the Moog version, and saying the Behringer version didn't even come close. These sound exactly the same like really people are so full of it. In some cases the Behringer sounded better since it's new hardware.
Hey thanks for the super - awesome video! You mentioned you took a photo of the patch at 21:27. Can you please please please share the patch?
I was going to reply saying the same.
Great video Starsky. Scary how close the behringer is. Still you can't beat the whole build and look of the original MM model, i guess to some people its not about just the sound . 👍👍👍
You’re quite right. If someone offered me the cost of the Moog back and threw in a Behringer for free , I’d keep the Moog. But have to be impressed with the Behringer.
I suppose it comes back to the old 80:20 rule. But the Behringer goes further ... it’s more than 80% sonically there for less than 10% of the cost.
yeah for the money you can get a handful of Behringer D's
Adamski A. The build is certainly nicer, but an extra $3k nicer? Almost seems silly to bring it up.
Yeah in retrospect, I should have dished out another $2700 for nicer knobs ... F*#$% that! 😂
When I bought it back in 2018 I was beyond happy, I wanted to learn synths and after the disaster that the MicroKORG was as my first synth I finally learned everything I needed to on the Model D and best part was you're actually having fun making new sounds. I have to say mine has drifted out a bit in the years (the filter kbd tracking is especially bad) but it's my fault for not learning and taking the time to open it up and calibrate the pots. Some things can be fixed by updating the firmware with synthtribe like the pitch wheel not tracking a true full octave at the top and bottom of the scale (you need to refresh the pitch range setting to fix that)
Amazing! They are sonically identical! Been playing Moogs for years. Their legendary code has been cracked!
It's amazing what you can do when you have endless money and no morals. Not complaining, deffo gonna buy some behringer stuff, cos well, you know, cheap as hell and loads of fun. I think it's incredible that these before unattainable for most instruments are now completely affordable, and in some cases, updated. But I don't think there was a code to crack. It just takes a company like Behringer with endless money and resources to mass produce such a thing for such a low price. I do heavily question their ethics and attitude towards some of the companies they are so obviously ripping on though.
There were already some recreations of the model D (or parts of) in the modular world. Several ladder filters and cp3 mixers. And a compleat set of model D modules (and much more) from AJH Synth.
It's also true about the old Moog modular systems. For instance the system 15 re-made by MOS Lab.
The best comparison only here..you are pro
There’s no comparison. They are more or less identical. In a mix you wouldn’t notice.
Lawrence Vaughan that’s where it counts.
in mix, you do not need nither moog or behringer
In a mix you wouldn't notice Arturia either.
I'm an American, and while I am not particular jingoistic, I do like the fact the Moogs are built here "by hand" in America. That said, is Behringer any worse than anyone else at manufacturing stuff in cheap labor markets?90% of EVERYTHING is built in China - presumably by folks not at the top of the economic food chain.
Jon Heal absolutely. I understand the point. Moog, Hand built, small numbers, in the USA. But it does feel that Moog are trading on their legacy and under the brand name a bit. Yea, it sucks that Behringer use Chinese factories, but I bet everyone commenting on this post and moaning about it, is doing so on a Chinese made phone or laptop, which makes it a moot point.
Great video!!! Thanks Starky, the sound very similar indeed. but there is definetly a little difference at low end
Now Behringer just needs to make an EMS AKS or VCS3!!
They are now apparently (VCS3 clone)
@@maramé.r they have been working on it for years, teasing it online
they have been since i posted this comment, nothing has come of it yet
Who was going to say that one day we could do a blind test between Moog Minimoog and a Behringer D and would be very difficult to say which is which...amazing. I'm a owner of a Moog Sub 37 and I just had to buy a Behringer after watching your comparation. The Sub 37 is a moster in modulation terms, but the Minimoog has the sound and is much more flexible in the sonic spectrum. Minimoog is, to me, the king of the synths.
Thanks so much for so good test-comparation, it opened my eyes!
it is the king of synths, which is why I bought one over a decade ago. But it isn't the king because of it's sound or functionality alone. The king is the king because he's the king, and if you take anything away from the king, he is no longer the king. The Boog is basically like a really good celebrity lookalike that maybe even looks or acts better than the celebrity. But who the hell wants to hang around the lookalike over the real thing?
@@34672rr valid point, but once put into the mix, doesn't matter at all.