Behringer Poly D vs Minimoog: The definitive comparison, review and demo
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A look at how the Poly-D holds up against the Moog Minimoog (yes it's the reissue!). Jump to 37:12 for just the sounds if that's your thing.
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Intro 0:00
Oscillators 4:00
Mixer 12:00
Overdrive 14:30
Filter 18:48
Envelopes 23:54
FM 28:05
Filter FM 31:15
LFO 32:36
Conclusion 34:27
Some sounds (with reverb) 37:12
No reverb 42:21 - Фільми й анімація
Great video, as always, thank you! For the level issue: By the specs/manual the Behringer Model D has a max. output level of 0 dBu while the Poly D only has -16 dBu which nicelly matches your observed output level. So this is not an issue with your Poly D. I could imagine that they needed to lower the output level so they could put in the chorus which - in its pedal form - is infamous for being easily overdriven by a line level instrument.
Aha.... excellent!! Thanks
Pinned btw very useful for everyone to know. The manual wasn’t available when I made the video. I wish I’d waited a bit longer now!!
Smart.
Great video and great comment. I was thinking about this attribute of the synth and was wondering if the lower output would help it play nicer with guitar pedals
showlabor run a cable from the phones output into the audio input, then dial away. Those 16dB are back.
I've got 2 Minimoog Voyager synths and a Behringer Poly D. The sounds of both moogs have minor differences. They're analog! They will never be exactly the same! When I play the Behringer Poly D, once again, such a very slight difference however they are all in that beautiful ballpark! If you didn't see which one I was playing at any given time, you would never know exactly which one I am playing! I had 3 of my friends come over to listen to all 3. Two of them were so darned positive that they would know the Moogs from the Poly-D. The other friend was more realistic. I had all 3 set up in one room and the main speakers were in with my friends. The 2 friends started to get quite annoyed. They swore I was playing just the Moogs and that I didn't touch the Poly-D. I then had my friend who was unsure from the get go come in with me to video with his camera. He couldn't believe what he was seeing! I was playing the Poly-D 2/3'rd of the time and the other 2 had such a hard time believing that the synth I could get used for about 600.00 fooled the 2 other friends thinking that my Electric Blue Minimoog Voyager that is going for a little over 4000.00 around here and the standard, earlier version of the Minimoog Voyager which fetches a little under 4000.00 all sounded so great next to each other with no real discernable difference! So every time I hear a cork sniffer bash Behringer, I have to laugh! I can't wait for the UB-XA, The Pro -8 or 16, the Jupiter 8 and the Yamaha CS80! I can't wait to play the real Oberheim next to the Behringer UB-XA. I Doubt my 2 friends will rethink how they judge those 2 beasts side by side! I might end up selling one or 2 of my expensive synths. I won't want to take the chance of taking them out and get damaged or stolen. I'll have the same sounds and I could use the extra cash to get myself something new and different like the Matrix Brute or the Poly Brute.
How are the keys on the Poly D?
@@SaxyCalzone In what way? I've got a few synths, but I can say they are as responsive as my old Korg Poly-61 and my Oberheim Matrix 6. Honestly, it's a darn nice synth. I purchased the Deepmind 12 used first. I liked it so much that I purchased the VC-340. Once again I was impressed so I went with the Poly-D. All 3 work as well as my Rolands, Korgs and my others. No problems, no breakdowns. Yes the quality of my old Oberheims, Moogs and Hammond are great. However how can I complain if my Behringers work well every time I use them? They sound fantastic and haven't failed me yet. That speaks volumes to all the whiners out there who knock them but never even tried one. I am NOT paid by Behringer. I don't work for Behringer. I live in the USA. My only complaint with Behringer is "Where the heck is the UBXA"? I've heard them talk this up for years! Too many excuses! Get it out or shut up about all the other boards we're hearing you prop up! 1 at a time. Get it out like the 3 I own. They are successful and sound fantastic. Move on to the next until that is a success. Then move on down the line.
I have a Behringer Monopoly and feels good sounds great to Me, quality construction.
@HOLLASOUNDS Poly D , MonoPoly next on the list, Behringer 2600 look like they will be around for a while.. fark you can buy all 3 fir the price of 1 original ..
Thanks! Music is art and creativity. These kork sniffers seems so rigid in their perception that it contradicts all likelyhood of creativity. A real musician makes music from tappin on the table.
May sound silly and a bit picky, but wish they had done the little strip of wood across top
Agreed.
@Bernard Sutter come to think of it, your right and I would seriously consider buying one
Definitely silly and nitpicky. Also, I agree.
@@TheArpomni2 trust me man, there’s a lot of reasons to buy it even without the top wood lol.
Haha
My two Mini Moog D (both 1973 mod. both with the latest osc. board) sounds more different than the difference shown here. They are analog beasts that must be tuned/calibrated time and again so the difference also depends on the calibration. I compared one of my MM-D's with the Behringer Mod.D, they sounded more similar than my two old Mini Moogs does. (I was listening in my Genelec 1032/7070 Sub and a pair of HD 650) Thanks Starsky for great comparism! 👍🎹
Well yeah. Some people try to find anything to justify their mythical believe. Read my above comment. And of course your Mini's do sound different. Probably the electronics are old, worn out and should get a total overhaul in order to sound similar as the Beh D. But of course, for some people hum, detune, crackingor noise is a real vintage feeling. My god. I've had it with people trying to clarify and finding reasons why their original vintage sounds better than any VST, digital or even new analog synth.Which is simply not. (probably the high price drives them to ease the pain of spending to much money) Unless you have a clear, calibrated and measurable way to prove what sounds 'better' I am open to argumentation. So think or go get some high level courses before you start talking nonsense...
I mean even IF there was a perceivable difference, I guarantee you that that all disappears in small mixes.
I honestly just like the feel of plugging in a synth and playing it - or rather I hate having to think up a decent control scheme for a controller for a VST. I like turning knobs and I‘ve had more issues with a laptop live than with a synth. But the sound difference is laughable compared to a VST.
@@sK3LeTvM1 I think you didn't quite get what he was saying...
Hello Uli
Master Po say: _If Grasshopper must use oscilloscope to see difference, then... _*_ain't no ƒµçkin difference!_*
LMAO!!!
I definitely heard differences - especially in the pulse waveforms.
They sounded like there was some high pass filtering going on, on the Poly D (maybe at a fixed frequency, not following the note), which is consistent with the shape of the waveforms around 11:00 - the verticals are as vertical, but the flatter parts of the pulse tail off a lot quicker on the Poly D.
@@TooSlowTube Thats true, the pulses sound different. But would that effect anything in a live performance, even in a studio? I would not know if I did not get a side by side comparison.
@@eliasknaapinen No, and I'm not claiming one is better than the other - I'm just pointing out that I don't need to use an oscilloscope to tell there's a difference - I can hear one, in Starsky's comparison.
The scope does help suggest what the difference is though. There appears to be some capacitive coupling involved, in both cases (blocking DC and very low frequencies), but on the MiniMoog, the roll-off is happening at a lower frequency.
The fact that I can hear that difference, shows the roll-off is probably affecting the audible range, i.e. the audio level of low end bass, on the Poly D.
Not a criticism, not a value judgement, just the facts, Ma'm :)
How wrong you are!
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into your videos. This is an amazing comparison.
such a good vide. thanks for teasing out the differences. they are apparent to me even through youtube's compression. i appreciate the time you took here.
Finally, the comparison we've all been waiting for! Thanks for the review/demo, even more excited to receive mine next month, it'll be my very first analog synth!! Thanks to Behringer as well for making it possible for younger musicians/producers to be able to afford this kind of gear!!
Great comparison man! I was really lookin for a video like this!
Top presentation as ever. Opening up my apreciation of Moog and Behringer synthesisers
Incredibly thorough assessment- as always! Your comparison videos qualify as a public service. Thank you.
Thank you, Starsky, for this great comparison/review/demo. The sound is so close that blindfolded one would be hardpressed to detect any difference at all. Surely close enough to suit me. I pre-ordered a Poly D in late December and am still awaiting its arrival. I think it will be worth the wait.
anybody know if it would be possible to mod the poly d’s gain staging?
Thanks for producing such detailed and entertaining videos.
Thanks - I’ve enjoyed your videos. Very informative for a guy who wants to dabble in the world of electronic instruments.
A good way to spend a few minutes while making and enjoying my Saturday morning coffee.
Sounds like a perfect morning ;)
I was on the fence about the D. Now the poly is out I'm sold. This looks like a solid instrument that can be used in a proper studio. I'm glad they embellished on the original design and didn't cut corners on i/o.
I don't care how different they sound, I'm sold on the price tag! Great demo! I hope they'll create a model with more keys in place of the sequencer and paraphony or possibly a model with a digital patch store feature if possible.
Excellent review/comparison. I've had mini for almost 40 years - I've just ordered a Poly D . My mini's too fragile to do anything other than look at..so the Poly D might be worth gigging with :-)
I hear what you’re saying. The Moog has a little bit of a solid buzz, where the D has that little bit of fizz at the top. Definitely wouldn’t notice it much with a finished, playable patch though. I’m genuinely impressed with the D though. Great demo! Thanks for doing this!
Thanks for putting together this video! Much appreciated!
Excellent review... sitting on the fence here with a limited budget, but you are right...it is a no brainer! Thanks again...
The best, most useful and watchable synth reviews on the net, please keep up the good work ... p.s. - Poly D arrives tomorrow!
amazing vid man, really helpful. Thanks!
Excellent demos. Cheers.
Just stumbled upon this. Thanks for the great quality content, per usual. I listened with my eyes closed and I think I'll go with the one that costs 10 times less. Thanks!!!
Save the money and go Behringer,because 99% of folks hearing your tracks will not know the difference..
but then how will I impress people with all my epic vintage stuff?
I understand what you mean, but I think when you"re making music, you need to make music for you first
Baptiste Weymaere what music?
@@jokkeloco It depends on the genre your producing, I don't understand your question
@@baptisteweymaere9670 and making music for you consists in using overpriced gear for collectibles reasons?
Nicely done!
Interesting comparison. I'd love to get my hands on that Behringer! Hmmm.....
Thanks very much for this great comparison and the work und effort you’ve put into it. As everything behringer does, the poly D is quite nice. But the moog has that bit more grit that makes the difference between an original instrument and a clone.
really great comparison. useful and on point. thank you.
Thank you so much Mr Starsky 👍🏻
Nothing can beat the sound of the Minimoog.
But the Poly D will get you very very close. more affordable too
The Behringer Model D is even more similar to a Minimoog, it basically IS a Mini. I much prefer the smaller, bedroom studio friendly size too!
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Thanks for the comparisson, it was very useful. The Poly D sounds great, looks good, maybe I should sell my Behringer Model D and get the Poly D...
Respect the passion, and envy the knowledge!
Another great video!
Have two questions for you Starsky.
Do you recommend going with the Model D Eurorack instead of the Poly D with the keyboard?
Is there a Moog Subsequent 37 clone?
Thank you so much for your amazing reviews Starsky.
Thank you for all the time and effort that you put into these videos, Starsky. I bought a Boog when they were first released. Did a jam on my channel called Rocky Jam and in the mix I defy anyone to be able to be able to distinguish it from a Moog D. BTW, I bought a new Mini Moog Model D in 1977/78 and wore it out playing live with it OTR in about three years. I had a Memory Moog, Voyager, Sub37TE (three actually. I'm on my third because the first two were problematic and this one has issues, primarily the keybed with the aftertouch but the keybed's a real weak spot in general with the Sub37TE) so I've a little experience. Just picked up a Matriarch that I've not found an issue with yet other than having to calibrate the VCOs upon arrival. The keybed's great and I'm lovin' it. It's the best thing Moog's produced in awhile IMHO.
My overall opinion is that if you've unlimited funds, buy a few Moog System 55s and a Tesla. If you don't, you can do amazing work on a budget. I think it's great to have the option.
Again, thanks for what you do!
Thanks, oddly I've had 3 s37TEs as well, with issues with the first 2.
Would love to get my hands on a Matriarch, just haven't got the funds (or the room!) to justify it.
@@StarskyCarr I know another person that's had three as well so that's at least three of us. I was pretty unhappy with Moog for awhile and I'm still very unsatisfied with the keybed on my third. The aftertouch is virtually unusable musically. I think you'll really appreciate the Matriarch. I can hear remnants of Emerson's and Tomita's modulars in it. Everyone that has one remarks about the lack of physical resistance of the two sliders but it doesn't seem to be problematic. I've room for more. You can put a couple here. ;-) Cheers.
Interesting thanks!! I'm loving mine. Have wanted a MiniMoog for about 15 years or more and it's just consistently stayed out of my financial reach the whole time. I remember in about 2003 you could get one for around a grand, and I nearly bought one, but ended up buying a Rover Metro instead. I wonder if Uli's got plans to clone those? My only downer is that I really wish the keyboard was better quality...compared to an M Audio midi keyboard I have, it feels so light, and kind of like a big version of those mini Akai keys. BUT...you can totally work with it to get to some of those amazing sounds
That last sound is gorgeous man!
Hey! Well done video as always! Just a slight remark: Maybe the reso is supposedly louder or more prominent on the Poly D because the levels of the OSCs are lower. From my experience with analog VCFs, the input level at which you drive them is always an important factor. Louder signals interact differently with the reso -- I think this has to do with the headroom of the VCF. Cheers
Thanks, that makes sense. I had wondered what difference the 4th oscillator makes in the overall design particularly in regard to headroom. As I’m not an electronics engineer I tend to steer clear of too many ‘ideas’ I might have which are probably nonsense!!
That's a great point, and I bet you're right.
thank you for the in-depth comparison
When you tried the oscilloscope I simply played the model D to it and discovered it had exactly the same flanging effect on both
@Marek Bujko Yes exactly the same my Nigga🤣🤣😅😅😁😁😂😂
Just ordered the Behringer 2600, the Poly D will my next buy. Great comparission!
Thanks for the video and all your effort. There are 2 thing which I would try which never happened in any of this comparison-tests. Tune the 3 oscillators to a chord and pitch matching octaves. I never hear any synthesizer doing it in the same way then the Moog. It‘s a physical experience when the oscillators come into tune. Probably because of the deseret circuits. And that defiantly should sound / feel different on the Behringer. And also it would be interesting to hear the Behringer inside of a mix. Cause often new replica synths seems to sound the same as long as you don‘t try to fit them in a mix.
Interesting... I’ll have a play when I get them back together
But even two vintage synths will sound slightly different if you compare them together.
Something I mention in there somewhere
a behringer never gets vintage. ulimoog broken, 3uli3 broken...
@@f.p.8577 How do you know? Their synths don't feel cheap at all. I have the Boog and its built like a tank.
@@padmad3k63 give it 3 years.
my old rolands are 30 years old and easy to service.
Absolutely great evaluation of the poly D vs minimoog.
Thanks for all the time and effort you put this comparison,
Nice review/comparison mate!- Cheers
Minimoog sounds more classic, solid and dry /Behringer sounds more modern, massive and fatter and smoother
Behringer suits me better ! Thank you for this bro !!!
Superb comparison video, thanks! The Eventide sounds out of this world. ;-)
Hey mate. Love your demos. None of that annoying US waffle and straight down to what a synth actually sounds like. Top man.
Yeah but no flowerpot hat this way...
Plenty of Brits wafflin on too, not just yanks.
Nick Haldin Yep. I love talking about synths. Guilty as charged 🇬🇧🇺🇸✌🏻😁
US Waffle? Woah!
I'm American and this is my favorite UA-cam comment ever.
I had felt these differences too, even with the ModelD Behringer, but in addition the oscillator and the paraphony the moog will never have them ... PolyD interesting machine ...
Extra VCO, paraphonic mode, chorus, sequencer/arpeggiator.. Poly D is amazing value. It's also possible with the current parts shortage that prices will go up soon
8:47 is it just the oscilloscope probe or the key click of the poly-d or does the poly-d create sinusoidal waves when you hit a key in quick succession? When you did the same on the Minimoog, all I saw was clean waveforms.
Ah yes, a £3000 difference. Can’t wait to showcase it on my “Music For Oscilloscopes” album! 🤣
You laugh about oscilloscope music but it's a real thing. Look up Jerobeam Fenderson.
Yes I found the problem, big problem, click and Thump problem on keyon and key off with and Without oscillators switch open, fast attack and short decay condition, I bought behringer Odyssey and don't have this problem, hope behringer solve the problem, this is my test: ua-cam.com/video/ozOrA_FQd44/v-deo.html
@@chupathingy5862 The most important thing for a musician is a clean waveform, from the beginning of the sound, unfortunately virtual analogs and analog replicas have such turbulence, visible in the graphics, sometimes - at the beginning of the sound, sometimes, and this is even a huge disadvantage for experts, micro-tuning also does not it is the best in the 21st century, hence the nuances played in the mix, e.g. for Vangelis recordings - they usually falsify a bit, are less clear and dense - with the number of harmonics, this is what makes the originals 10 times more valuable.
The oscilloscope will not give the precision and fullness of the image of the wave and phase of the sound, you would have to follow it with your eye and register changes very quickly, - so, you need to record it and enlarge the graphics of the recording, e.g. in cubase - then we will see all the differences and possible turbulence on the graphics phases of the sound clearly, and unfortunately it is also audible then - for the picky listener, of course. It's good that there is someone who considers it important, e.g. here - just like you or me.
The mini looks just as great as mine. I had to do a lot of cosmetic restoration as it was well used when I bought it in ‘80 👍🙂 A nice video.
I say they're so close no one would even know in a mix and I think that should be the biggest take away here. Great video as always! You're doing God's work 😂
Excellent comparison as always! Have you compared the Poly D to the Voyager (which I have) - possibly Apples and Oranges but value your opinion on the sound/filter compared to the original Minimoog and Poly D. Cheers!
Thank you! Can you program the Poly D to respond to velocity? For example to modulate filter cutoff or res?
Great demo!
Definitely will wait for revision 2
The difference in sound between some of these new behringer synths and the actual ones they are inspired by is negligible, tbh it makes moog synths into more of a 'collectors item' since they are so MUCH more expensive. So its still worth it to buy a moog if you can. Long live moog. BUT if you're looking to design sounds rather than to collect synths the behringer poly d all the way. + 4 voices rather than mono (!). The only thing I wish is that you could save presets on it - but instead you can just take pictures w/phone and move knobs to their place to 'save presets' - will work...
If this was a moog it would prob be 20 times the price. I have never been a fan of behringer until recently - these synths behringer are coming out with are AMAZING. They really knocked it out of the park - if you look at comparison videos for every product they nail the sound of every synth and improve them in various ways for an affordable price - the 808 is close enough and sounds great, the 606 is spot on, the monopoly, 2600, odyssey, model d, sh101, tb303, ms-20, etc. are all pretty much spot on with added improvements and more affordable than the synths which they are based on. The tb303 is literally perfect and its 100 dollars, thats just amazing... here's an example of one comparison video of td-3 ($100) vs, roland tb303 ($5000+ on ebay) - ua-cam.com/video/osHqty-qfEk/v-deo.html.
What more can you ask for? This is the way.
Best comparison video on the internet. Unfortunately I have yet to receive my Poly D due to all that’s been going on overseas. Maybe by next month.
I was very lucky to get an early batch from Andertons, you have a lot to look forward to
Could you elaborate a little on overseas issues? You mean like tariffs?
@@scottbartenhagen6493 See :
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases (map)
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Scott Bartenhagen the situation going on in China with the coronavirus etc. Putting major delays in manufacturing and shipping dates.
Really good video. I'm shopping for a synth currently. I come from only using plugins but I'd like to try some actual hardware. You pretty much sold me on the Poly D. So now I'm torn between the Poly D and Korg Minilogue XD.
Both great synths. Poly D gives more of that classic vintage vibe (from an interface standpoint) and XD is massively flexible and sounds amazing. Tough choice!
Great product, would have loved to have seen the ability to access presets for live work. But still, everyone can have that hardware D sound now at a crazy affordable price.
I have the Poly D and love it - I'm gonna do that FM-thing with it. Absolutely FAB!
$698.00 US on Sweetwater :]
...thanks for the comparison Mr. Carr!
What I absolute love about the original MiniMoog sound is when the signal gets distorted, not sure if it takes place in mixer or filter or both but that sound is really what makes the instrument nice.
How is the sine wave and bass tones? I use Moog mainly for funk and a single or double oscillator with sine waves is my main go to. Is the Poly D smooth in that capacity?
is the LFO leaking into the oscillator on the poly-d?
Gotta say i couldn't tell them apart sometimes while keeping the video running and reading the comments. Just hearing them both side by side really makes it hard to tell which one is the REAL Moog. Well except during the filter part where the Poly D sounded a little brighter or as if it has more dominant mid-freq than the original Moog Filter. But that's really just like counting peas. I'm still getting one.
I think by sticking the switching circuitry in between the oscillator and the mixer section, they altered the character of the mixer as well as introducing that click when it switches the oscillators on.
the click is the env, i've got one here, nothing to do with the mixer
I'm late to the party as usual, but I just wanted to point out that you had the chorus switch 'ON' on the Poly D. The reason Behringer included the separate switch is because even when the 2 yellow switches are off, the circuit still passes through a bit of noise and/or distortion.
And I know I'm going to sound bonkers to many, but I prefer the grittier tone and insane filter resonance of the Poly D over the Mini (not that I would mind having a Minimoog of my own).
I love the sound of the Subsequent 37 (at least in demos) but I really would like to have polyphony. How close is the sound capabilities of the Poly D as compared to the Subsequent 37?
I'm a guitar player and I look at Behringer like I look at Epiphone. Not everyone can afford Gibson custom shop. Not everyone can afford a $4-$5000 Minimoog. That's what lower priced import instruments are for. Can learn and make music on both.👍
The LFO Comarison blew my mind, because the sounds you used were soo good and intense... unfortunately i cant really see your settings there on the poly d... Only 1 OSC (Saw), 0 Attack, 40%decay, 100% sustain.. do you recall that patch?
Great video!
Loved it. I'm endowed with a Moog at the mo. This may be added once we sell the dog.
Shaun Billy Boss is it a mini dog?
Shouldnt take about the wife like that bro :)
Referencing the envelope/filter comparison: Are the knobs the exact same size? With adjusting anything by hand, it's easier to be more precise in micro-movements with larger diameter knobs/wheels vs. smaller ones...wondering if the Moog has bigger knobs and might equate for why the Poly D feels more sensitive/harder to dial in. I'm a bassist who always wanted a Minimoog or similar for both gigging and to improve my understanding of synthesis; your video has convinced me that the Poly D is the way to go.
They’re slightly smaller on the Poly D - and you’re right it’s always a little more difficult to dial in specific tones with smaller knobs. I think also here the envelopes are digital so it may not be possible to get some settings exactly the same. I’m talking very minor differences though.
I own a poly d and love it but I reckon the poly d's filter doesnt quite get the low end chunkiness right. A resonant filter sweep on the model d is like oooorrrwww, on the poly d its like ooooowwwww. thats as best as i can describe it.
Oddly that’s how I tend to describe them as well!!
Yes - definitely some “rrrrr”s missing …
Perhaps if they printed Berrrrringer on the Poly D, instead, that would fix it? 🛠🤔
… and added the missing, top piece of wood, of course …
Thank you Starsky! You mentioned the accent mode. Can you use that to make the Poly D velocity sensitive? How about the filter, can that respond to velocity (harder = more open filter)?
You can patch the velocity output to the filter input. I’m pretty sure you can anyway (I’ve not got it anymore too much crossover with the Minimoog- but the Minimoog can do it).
I’ve owned & played my MiniMoogs live since 72. I’d have to say the Behringer mixer level issue would be a big thing, at least for me as I switch osc2 and 3 on & off a lot.
I’m curious how well the Behringer oscillator shape matches the Moog over a 6octave range or so. Especially in the low ranges.
I know this is an old comment but I thought you may be interested to see the pinned comment on this video, someone addresses a fix for it!
Starsky, you're the man
sounds like the filter is more open in the original to me. the poly d also seems also to have a slight movement on the filter, as if an envelope control is just above 0.
For the price of the Poly D, you can’t be mad at it not sounding exactly like the Model D, I’m definitely about to pull the trigger on one. I was going to get the Korg Prologue this week but I might have to put it off until next next month. Plus I just bought a Moog Sub 25 so it’ll be fun to see how the Poly D sounds next to that
hey, did you do a side by side? How do the low ends compare? Bass to sub kinda range...
Hey, sorry I’m just seeing this soooo late, yes I did a side by side, I definitely don’t regret buying the Poly D, it sounds great, it has awesome features for its price point but the Sub 25 definitely has it beat as far as Bass and sub range imo, not that the Poly D can’t be fattened up in the mix with some eq, but the Moog just has more volume also, meaning if I set the main volume of the Moog to 5 and the Poly D to 10, the Moog is still louder with the same waveform and even with all 4 oscillators turned up on the Poly D and the filter all the way open on both synths, and the Sub 25 just has more fullness imo. I use the Sub 25 over the Poly D for bass hands down. And when playing chords on the Poly D you really have to make sure the Oscillators are in tune with each other or it’ll sound like a guitar that’s out of tune, but I did by the Korg Prologue 16 for polyphonic stuff, the Poly D is fun and I experiment a lot but the other two can store presets so again, I use the Poly D for experimenting and what not since I can’t save presets
Absolutely incredible! I don't think the input level thing is s bug, sounds more like a feature to me, but I don't gig. I'd probably create a sounds, set level, and record, so it would not impact me like a true player. I like the aggressive sound on the Poly D.
That distortion is something else!
Poly D sounds great, but the oscillators seemed a little out of tune with each other compared to the patches on the Moog. Curious what that was about. Thanks for the vid! Sorry if I missed that detail already, the vid is quite long and I may have missed it
Hi there, great video - what song are you playing at 37:12 - it's a great riff.. thanks
Thanks for the video. Using my brand new Poly D I tried to replicate the Six Wives solo bit that Wakeman did on the live Yes Songs album. I couldn't get a slow enough rise and fall of the ascending and descending dissonant sawtooth waves at the end of the performance (just after the bombs). I tried using the LFO, VCO4 and envelope generators with no success. I have assumed he used one of his Minimoogs live to do it, but maybe the part was on tape. Does anyone have an ideas about this? Back in 1974 I bought an Arp 2600 along with a String Ensemble. I would have bought the Minimoog, but I wanted the four octaves the 2600 has so I could play Lucky Man with no glitches. At that time the 2600 was about $3,000 vs. $1,800 for the Minimoog. In today's money, that would be $16,695 vs. $10,017, according to "Inflation Tool" online. Yet, this Poly D is $698 including shipping from Sweetwater!
Really cool service you’re doing us all here! Thanks. What’s the oscilloscope plugin you’re using?
Thanks, its part of Meldaproductions free bundle
Congratulations on the demonstration!
Considering that you have compared both Behringer synths (Model D and Poly D) to the Minimoog, I would be interested to know which of the Behringer synths (Model D or Poly D) is closer to the sound of the Minimoog?
Thank you !
The Model D is closer, but the Poly D isn't far off at all - it just has added functionality that affect the gain slightly etc.
Waited since November 2019. Received May 2020. I had to return it. Too many issues. Mostly the level issue and when bringing up the levels, it drastically reduced the headroom and raised the noise floor.
I wanna thank you for this video. I asked for it last week and you said you were working on one and here it is. For the price, this is an instant buy. Can you do a video on how to make the initial change you spoke of in the begining that made you think something was wrong at first?
If I understand your question correctly, Starsky answered that in another comment; "changed from dynamic to constant velocity of 1" - turning the velocity response off all together, to match the MiniMoog,
I was baffled by that part too, so I had to ask :)
By default, it has a velocity response, apparently affecting the filter cut off, and an "accent", which affects the filter more when the velocity passes a certain, settable, threshold.
The accent thing was a feature of the Roland TB303, affecting the filter resonance (I think) and was the only way it responded to velocity (all or nothing). The MiniMoog doesn't respond to velocity in any way, so turning the velocity response off made for a fairer comparison.
@@TooSlowTube Thanks man that definitely explained it. Hopefully there's a step by step video on how to do that once I get mine.
@@mpmi7588 No problem.
Someone linked to a Quick Start guide, which may help a bit :
media63.music-group.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0D9J/POLY%20D_QSG_WW.pdf
The English language bits are interspersed througout the whole thing, not just all in one chunk, so it's easy to think there's less to read than there really is.
Certainly sounds close enough for even the best ear to be fooled, apart from how the resonance behave and the envelopes. Really sounds like a digital transition. This click is on the SE01 and on other digital synths so maybe it's just a digital envelope thing?
Issues are expected as with any low priced product.
Would be interesting to see the amount of products returned for service within e.g. on a 1 year basis and then on a 5 year basis.
Hopefully no more than any other synth but as en example the Deepmind 12 isn't sold by some shops for a reason.
So damn close!! The one sound where I heard the difference was the range that I would really buy the Minimoog For. At 43:20 it’s very hard to compete with that straight down the middle analog fatness. The Poly sounded a little wide and thin on that one.
It'll be interesting to see how their remake of the Yamaha CS-80 will pan out. That's one synth I would definitely be interested in looking into.
There won’t be many opportunities to compare it against the real thing though 😂
Okay... so this convinced me enough to keep my B Model D when I get my Poly D cause they don’t sound exactly the same. Not much of a problem though as the paraphony makes up for the difference. It’s it’s own beast.
Having owned a D Reiusse and now a Boog, I just got the Poly D and can definitely say it's no Model D (or even a Behringer D). Don't buy if you want a Mini. Buy it if you want a 4-VCO Moog-ish synth with paraphonic capability. I also found the clicking annoying. Mine is going back
I love my model D, no need for a moog, no need for the poly D - but I like the poly D! Nice copy Ulli ! Thank you very much, you are the Robinhood of the musicans!
This may sound silly, but wish Behringer had added the Wood furniture on top like the original, that's just me though
Chris-Cook no not just you me too.
@@AndyFerguson looks unfinished doesn't it, if I had one I'd be itching to add one, but guess when flat it would over hang back edge,
Agree
@Chris-Cook Yes that would have been nice.
if i read some german testers and now yours i m under the slight impression that one side is living in another reality. well i am lucky to be able to understand english language tbh ;D thx for another solid testing
Allegiances, vs no such allegiance … ? 🤷🏻♂️
Also, DON’T MENTION THE ENVELOPES!! Starsky mentioned them once, but I think he got away with it!
wonderful video... you showed us a lot ... I want 1 of each
Just as a note, the the higher the harmonics you start working with, @24:00, the more the tuning and small adjustments become magnified. So doing the same test on another day where your retune both will let you confirm if this the cause of the differences
That intro patch is huge!
Love your humor🙏😎💚😎 for me you did the best comparisons between Booroland products and the originals. I need to decide the one I will buy after the Deepmind, I will not stand without those analogs for some deep sounds coming from the 80's, for example, pump ones without rhythmic.
I need a comparison between model D and minimoog originals, I guess this have been done.
I have a problem, having already six keyboards, including a Juno 6, and two midi master 88 piano keyboards, so perhaps I will prefer to have a rack more than this ten kilo of Behringer, but I love the sounds and the wood design. The price between the two is not the same, so I must choose by sound, first: Do I need the sounds? Do I need them separately from other synthesis I have?
The goal for my studio is to limit it to 2x2=four square meters of plain technology in a wood tiny house I'm Going to build.
I will have to let perhaps my fm synthesis at home, as Dx, Tx, 7, Dx 21 , or as the Juno 6, as I will have the sounds from the deep mind, and more!.... I will let it at home like a retro museum with the Yamaha Dx's, with also heavy computers, win95 that run the sysex, old sound cards.