Question: does marths shieldbreaker ever work? Just picked him up and im already loving it. But that move..never breaks shield, even if fully charged/ tippered
@@solidglados5153 I don't use it much, but it absolutely one shots shields when charged. Only you'll never hit it. It is best used to finish off a shield that is already slightly chipped. It also puts pressure on people even if their shield doesn't break from the hit since it does great shield damage no matter what. Make sure your spacing is on point to minimize punishment for using it.
@@solidglados5153 yes I dont know what is happening with your sheild breaker, but it's a very good mixup, and I've gotten it to break sheild many times.
Ok wait hold up. This man really just dissed Male Robin in a video about Lucina, despite the fact that fem Robin is a stone cold bitch to Lucina with her "How can protect Chrom if you can't even protect yourself?" and Male Robin says on his win screen "Lucina, I hope I didn't hurt you". Bruh. Also yeah, Lucina is cool. I don't play her, she's just cool.
Funny how when nick was talking about dair having one frame to spike he didnt show a single clip from the plethora of times I spiked him with Lucina dair.... Interesting
@@konokolokopokonodokobokogo6669 yes but since they're both frame one, they're the same. The spike hitbox is still located on the tip, just like lucinas is
Lucina being flat is not only optimal, but helps as a disguise as Marth, and makes the other player more honest by not being eye candy. Top tier play there.
It's actually not that hard to deal with once they get used to it. Once you read the drift or better yet, learn to parry, they get eaten alive. The only problem is when they mix it up with a full hop landing fair into a falling shield breaker, which either results in me messing up my timing on the parry and dying or getting my shield broken and dying.
Dude THIS MAN IS INSANE . I NEVER KNEW I COULD RECOVER ?!!!!! BY UP ( I AM A PUFF MAIN ) also I am maining Lucina. Damn honest character . Also for nicc
@@contemplation_jpg No, and I frankly don't want to. Glad this isn't Twitter or there may be an image of her attached... I'm just gonna trust that it proves me wrong
@@MorphRed hell nah it aint the same skill, ive been playing since release with marth and only now got him into elite smash, picked up roy the day after and got him into elite smash (ik elite smash isnt the best test of skill but cmon man roy is ez)
EXACTLY!! Lucina secondary and THIS IS SO RIGHT!! You HAVE to flat out-play your opponent to win. When I teach people how to play smash I ALWAYS start them on Lucina so they can LEARN NEUTRAL.
Good analysis. It's the most fun character and also the most stressful. One has to earn every slash. Some people think having swords is necessarily an advantage but that's not entirely true since every hitbox has to be pecisely timed, different to other characters which kicks and aerilas and nairs stay for long and one can just mash. She is raw honesty. It is a fact.
The extra challenge of landing tippers give me respect for Marth players. Lucina players are basic by comparison when you have basically the same character with more depth.
Ok, first off, mkleo played marth when he won EVO, also you dont need to play competitively to 3njoy marth.marth is just a fun character. Is he the best?No. Is he fun? In my opinion, yes.
@@matthewgilligan2138 When he won which Evo? Leo played Marth on Ultimate for like one tourney and the got back to Lucina. Sure, it mught be fun to play wirh the tipper mechanic, and yet you will lose a lot of fights that you would've won with Lucina doing the same exact thing.
If the non tipper hitbox of Marth had more knocback, at least on his smash attacks, he would be playable. If also on his aerials, he'd be better than Lucina.
@@Khanso1o I assume he means airspeed, which is true. She's a little too floaty, unlike chrom and roy. But she has good horizontal air drift, so it makes up for it a little
One of my favourite things to do is during a last stock/last hit game, I'll bait my opponents in and the second they touch my shield, Dolphin Slash. Is that cheese? Is that gross? Am I a scumbag for maining Marth and Lucina out of loyalty? YES, YES, YES, NO.
Zoners. Rushdown. Grapplers. Swords. The smash community buttonbenders existed in harmony. But everything changed when the Fire Emblem Nation attacked.
To think of Lucina as mid tier at all is crazy. She has even or winning matchups over basically everyone in mid tier. She's middle of high tier at the lowest.
I was roasting my brother for playing yoshi, but he called me out for being an ike main saying that, yoshi is a swordie but a dinosaur. And tbh hes not wrong
Lucina is epic in smash and in Fire Emblem, she is a time traveling swordman who killed a world ending dragon she is goated Also comparing Lucina to a spider of all things is hilarious
Marth relies on spacing, more defensive play, and early KOs. Lucina can be played more aggresively, and relies on her more effective combos to increase the damage enough so she can KO the opponent. Marth can be more rewarding if used right, but Lucina's consistent damage and knockback helps her in certain match-ups. Lucina has no trouble KOing opponents at high percentages, due to her consistent knockback. Her neutral game is much safer, due to her attacks being overall safer on shield. Shield Breaker is also less unwieldy, KOing at very low percentages regardless of positioning. Her up smash, down aerial and Dancing Blade are also better in any case. TL;DR: lucina is significantly better than marth now. check tier lists BUT lucina is really lame to play :(
>Defending Lucinas' street cred over defending her honor. Sir. I respect you so much more for this statement and being honest about the character you play instead of simping for her.
Bruh mr.game n watch main here at one point everyone pointed out mr game was a low tier out of no where everyone saw the potential he really had and bump him to high tier
Sorry bro but if you factor in 1v1 multiplier to Lucina's throws, which you have factored in for King K. Rool, he actually falls short by 0.3% (20.1% for up throw, 20.4* for all of Lucina's throws combined.) However, that does not mean such a throw does not exist. Here's a list of throws that outdamage all of Lucina's throws combined (for the sake of simplicity, I'll be using the non-1v1 multiplier version, so Lucina's combined power is 17): - Lucario's max aura up throw (~18.41%) - Olimar's back throw if he has a blue Pikmin in front and any two other Pikmin in back (19.25%) - Kazuya's Gates of Hell throw (24%) And if you choose to count it, Isabelle's fishing rod forward throw ties it at 17%
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LOL the amount of peeps that missed this joke is astounding, CMON YALL I EXPECT BETTER FROM YOU
Very wrinkly brain
TCNick3 not trying to be mean but if you love Lucina so much, why don’t you marry her
ktl360 o I don’t know but if you wanted to have an anime sword best girl it might not be a good idea for her to be flat also haru exists
Antonio Bush I was joking too
Ok, when you say you're defending her "Street Cred". You're not a simp, dont worry.
You know lucina being flat is the optimal play because you have a smaller hurtbox
Fuck off, Lucina is flat because she was made for me
Hell yeah
hurtbox* but i don’t really care your typo
Yeah, that's why smash 4 Zero Suit Samus has humongous hurtboxes
*optimised*
He really hyped her up for 10 minutes just to say "She dont got the sauce"
Click the link on TCNick3s comment
honestly? swordies are honest. me have sword, me hit you with sword, me win; honest
@@dubiouslittlecreature908 It's a sword, is it supposed be the length of a knife?
Dude people are mad at sword characters because they can't space themselves lmao
Pk Kevin YT OFFICIAL profile picture does not check out. Projectiles and good frame data destroy them
@@dubiouslittlecreature908 Their range got nerfed hard from other title
lol everyone complains about range on swordies but forgets wolf has sword hitboxes for his ftilt n dsmash
“The best players in Ultimate don’t really play Lucina”
_PRE-JOKER MKLEO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION_
Rush Post-Joker MkLeo as well
and protobanham
He still does too. And Mr. E was PGR season 1 as well. I also think Nairo had her as a secondary at one point.
As a Marth main, seeing Lucina makes me feel cheated.
Respect, to you. One marth main to another
Question: does marths shieldbreaker ever work? Just picked him up and im already loving it. But that move..never breaks shield, even if fully charged/ tippered
@Woodrow Pride Are you calling Byleth... Broken?
@@solidglados5153 I don't use it much, but it absolutely one shots shields when charged. Only you'll never hit it. It is best used to finish off a shield that is already slightly chipped. It also puts pressure on people even if their shield doesn't break from the hit since it does great shield damage no matter what. Make sure your spacing is on point to minimize punishment for using it.
@@solidglados5153 yes I dont know what is happening with your sheild breaker, but it's a very good mixup, and I've gotten it to break sheild many times.
If there's one swordie who doesn't cheat, it's MARTH
my man's out here time travelling
Zeke Miller no, but you can cheat time?
Zeke Miller how tf..
Kaos YT tipper sucks, it’s pathetic. Its hitbox is actually so bad. Roy on the other hand..
Zeke Miller tipper my nigga
Corrin can never beat Lucina
Why?
Parallel Falchion is super effective against dragons
YOU'RE A FUCKING GENIUS
ridley
Ok wait hold up. This man really just dissed Male Robin in a video about Lucina, despite the fact that fem Robin is a stone cold bitch to Lucina with her "How can protect Chrom if you can't even protect yourself?" and Male Robin says on his win screen "Lucina, I hope I didn't hurt you". Bruh.
Also yeah, Lucina is cool. I don't play her, she's just cool.
male robin is a simp
@@hsd6716 boo
@@arkethel how?
Male Robin is best boy
@@papaG6423 accurate
Funny how when nick was talking about dair having one frame to spike he didnt show a single clip from the plethora of times I spiked him with Lucina dair.... Interesting
You'll have your glory day someday, Apple. I know it
Is it really one frame spike? Makes sense. I always thought she had the most difficult spike in the game
@@aeroenzo bruh marth has the frame one thing but he also has to tipper for it to spike. Thus making it the REAL hardest spike in the game.
@@konokolokopokonodokobokogo6669 yes but since they're both frame one, they're the same. The spike hitbox is still located on the tip, just like lucinas is
The only difference is that the tipper mechanic makes marths spike stronger, not harder to land
I guess the April Fool’s video took a bit longer to make
SymboliC this is the most underrated comment ever
"The best players in Ultimate don't really play Lucina"
MK Leo, the best SSBU Player that has Lucina as his Secondary, : Am i a Joke to you?
he doesn't play her often he's top player because of joker not lucina so technically there's no top 10 players in the world who fully main lucina
well how bout protobanham?
"Best players dont play Lucina" MKleo, Protobanham and Mr.E: *exists*
Nick: Why do I heard boss music?
Who are them
@@mr.personguy4959 THe best Smash players in the world, especially MKLeo
Lucina being flat is not only optimal, but helps as a disguise as Marth, and makes the other player more honest by not being eye candy. Top tier play there.
7:52 best victory scene in the game, and CHROM is next to her!
Yuri Green
3 Kirbys for his victory screen: AWAKEN MY POYOS
I'll admit that Lucina is quite a fair character, but getting walled out by drift away F-airs sucks so hard.
She is a very FAIR character indeed.
Yeahh FAIR character
Yeahh FAIR character
Fair? More like forward aerial
It's actually not that hard to deal with once they get used to it. Once you read the drift or better yet, learn to parry, they get eaten alive. The only problem is when they mix it up with a full hop landing fair into a falling shield breaker, which either results in me messing up my timing on the parry and dying or getting my shield broken and dying.
3:58 "Lucina gives you power"
I've been waiting to hear this for my entire life.
I love this video, I’m a Lucina main too
I’ve been waiting to hear it too
Fellow Lucina mains.
*Tips Hat To You Two*
From one Legend to others
As a Lucina main. I love this
Me too
Go
Yes. It is rather accurate.
@Brian Is epic Respect
@Brian Is epic No you're not.
Dude THIS MAN IS INSANE .
I NEVER KNEW I COULD RECOVER ?!!!!! BY UP ( I AM A PUFF MAIN )
also I am maining Lucina. Damn honest character .
Also for nicc
That’s it I’m sold, I’m maining Lucina
Does Lucina have a cool rhyme I think not Roy’s our boy
Chrom, Chrom he's our man, if he cant do it no one can!
GO TEACH! GO TEACH!
Lucina: Demean her and you get JOHN CENA
We like ike
Lucina da winnah
0:38 But Robin is the slowest character in the game and just as Game & Watch as Lucina is
Have you seen summer robin in feh
@@contemplation_jpg No, and I frankly don't want to. Glad this isn't Twitter or there may be an image of her attached... I'm just gonna trust that it proves me wrong
No incineroar is the slowest
@@kendrickkennedy4020 still proves the point because he's a thicc boy
Robin has 3 tomes and a levin sword stored in her ass. It can be hard to run like that. 😅
Dissing Roy about his age when Lucina is like the same age. Well, Roy does voice crack.
Isn’t lucina 21…?
2:22 It has the same frames for spikes as an honest character like zelda
Marth:
actually original moveset, all other fire emblos copy him
requires skill to be played
higher potential (under perfect play)
Roy is almost the same for the skill since disadvantage state sucks hard for him and reverse tipper makes it even worse
@@MorphRed y e a h but roy has an okay recovery now and he's super fun to play imo, probably the funnest of all the marth clones.
@@MorphRed hell nah it aint the same skill, ive been playing since release with marth and only now got him into elite smash, picked up roy the day after and got him into elite smash (ik elite smash isnt the best test of skill but cmon man roy is ez)
@@Aloly0490 *Roy is a semi-clone of Marth, maybe that's why and Roy is overall better too*
eh idk about higher potential, tipper is too inconsistent
You know what they say, " it's not good of it's not OPTIMAL"
great video dawg i return to it everytime my street cred as a lucina main is threatened
she really just wants to be loved :(
7:50
Foolishness, Chrom, foolishness. Without strength, you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself.
After rewatching this, I can appreciate Lucina having winning matchups against annoying characters.
Thanks for defending my girl
I read it as Defeating Lucina's street cred
0:57 As a Luigi main, I feel attacked
I don't even need to see the comments to know they're spamming "simp"
Lucinas UpB is frame 5 in the air and ground, in ground has 2 frames invulnerabilty(4-5) and in the air she has 5 (1-5)
Honestly I've never complained about lucina I would much rather fight her than game and watch or joker. Good vid can't wait for more uploads.
At least it's easier to beat a bad Lucina online
I never really had a problem with Lucina except being out spaced by her and other sword bois but over all, she’s pretty fun to play
Ok Ness
She has the most plain move set at least Marth has a mechanic that's cool and feels good to land it
Lucina?, more like john-cina
she protecc she attack but most importantly i cant think of a funny thing to say here
I went back to this video today, and now I miss when Nick had no filter.
Also, she comes from a devasted future where her parents are dead and she almost got eaten by Grima
EXACTLY!!
Lucina secondary and THIS IS SO RIGHT!!
You HAVE to flat out-play your opponent to win.
When I teach people how to play smash I ALWAYS start them on Lucina so they can LEARN NEUTRAL.
Good analysis. It's the most fun character and also the most stressful. One has to earn every slash. Some people think having swords is necessarily an advantage but that's not entirely true since every hitbox has to be pecisely timed, different to other characters which kicks and aerilas and nairs stay for long and one can just mash. She is raw honesty. It is a fact.
Me playing game n watch: Haha upb go beep boop
No she's not fun she's has nothing cool she's just a copy paced marth
@@michaeljames6737 Thank you, James, for your very thorough analysis and opinion. Definitely warranted.
Lucina is BUSTED. FIGHT ME NICK I USED A DIFFERENT B WORD
8:00 You didn't have to say that...
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO FUCKING SAY THAT
video: defending lucina's street cred
me: thats marth and lucina
The extra challenge of landing tippers give me respect for Marth players. Lucina players are basic by comparison when you have basically the same character with more depth.
Thank you for saying this. Think of it like driving. Lucina is automatic and Marth is manual
It might be true, but also Marth is pretty much un playable. No one, and I repeat, no one, plays Marth competitively. Cuz it don't make sense.
Ok, first off, mkleo played marth when he won EVO, also you dont need to play competitively to 3njoy marth.marth is just a fun character. Is he the best?No. Is he fun? In my opinion, yes.
@@matthewgilligan2138 When he won which Evo? Leo played Marth on Ultimate for like one tourney and the got back to Lucina.
Sure, it mught be fun to play wirh the tipper mechanic, and yet you will lose a lot of fights that you would've won with Lucina doing the same exact thing.
If the non tipper hitbox of Marth had more knocback, at least on his smash attacks, he would be playable. If also on his aerials, he'd be better than Lucina.
"swordies are NOT honest"
me, a pit main: you sure bout that?
“You become irrelevant [by being called worse than Kirby]”
*cries in Kirby main
“Toxic butthole characters”
**cries harder*
As a Lucina main, thank you for making this
**shows Corrin just stand there**
I feel personally offended
No joke this is my favorite video ever
that's my favorite Lucina combo
the one in the beginning
Honestly kinda agree especially with the taking out annoying characters. She seens like a great character for fundemental play and counterpicks
“She’s here to fight, not to be eye candy” so true
this made me secondary Lucina, yep she helps a lot with getting rid of my cousin's Kirby and my dad's Link, my main couldn't lol
"save the biggest joke for last" aight you about to catch these hands.
If Lucina beats up Roy that’s just child abuse.
Guess I'm going to jail
Still one of my favourite videos from you or from any youtuber. I just love it.
Only problem is lucina being honest makes her bland
@SIDDHARTH MATHAI marth is factually worse lol. Like its not debatable. His tipper is the only difference between the two.
@SIDDHARTH MATHAI roy is better than lucina.Chrom and marth?Not really
SIDDHARTH MATHAI “Lucina is slow” bro I want some of what you’re smoking
@@Khanso1o lucina:*laughs in fastest walk speed in the game*
@@Khanso1o I assume he means airspeed, which is true. She's a little too floaty, unlike chrom and roy. But she has good horizontal air drift, so it makes up for it a little
Monster on the streets. Plank of wood in the streets.
Bro how can She be flatter than a literal 2D character 😂
People who call lucina boring are the type of people to play Mac and falcon and fish for the same combo for 10 games
One of my favourite things to do is during a last stock/last hit game, I'll bait my opponents in and the second they touch my shield, Dolphin Slash. Is that cheese? Is that gross? Am I a scumbag for maining Marth and Lucina out of loyalty? YES, YES, YES, NO.
enjoyed this video so much until the end >.< put some respect on Leo, proto, and E bro. Lucina is bottom end of top tier no question about it
My friends pressured me so much that I dropped lucina and picked up marth for more "honesty"
I didn’t agree with you until the spider analogy, that got me, you have changed my hole point of view of this charecter.
Zoners. Rushdown. Grapplers. Swords. The smash community buttonbenders existed in harmony. But everything changed when the Fire Emblem Nation attacked.
Lucina? More like Martha
7:24 I’m a corrin main and this is completely true
To add to fancy stuff, you can do nair 1 to up b and it looks sexy as hell
Palutena, being one of the fastest character in the game: You serious?
Sometimes, flat is justice
My man really be simpin for Lucina before he hits with the dry pasta
Alternative title: Piplup talks about his waifu for 10 minutes straight
To think of Lucina as mid tier at all is crazy. She has even or winning matchups over basically everyone in mid tier. She's middle of high tier at the lowest.
I was roasting my brother for playing yoshi, but he called me out for being an ike main saying that, yoshi is a swordie but a dinosaur. And tbh hes not wrong
Lucina is epic in smash and in Fire Emblem, she is a time traveling swordman who killed a world ending dragon she is goated
Also comparing Lucina to a spider of all things is hilarious
Glad I'm arachnophobic then
Yes, I admit I get outplayed when I die do getting back aired at 0 with no jump and then getting my pk thunder countered >:(
This is amazing haha, subbed
Yeah, she's canonically been through alot. She had a bit of a rough life.
Nobody disses on Lucina
Actually, we are scared of her
Yeah we're scared of getting camped by retreating aerials and getting bored to death on quickplay. :/
Marth relies on spacing, more defensive play, and early KOs. Lucina can be played more aggresively, and relies on her more effective combos to increase the damage enough so she can KO the opponent. Marth can be more rewarding if used right, but Lucina's consistent damage and knockback helps her in certain match-ups. Lucina has no trouble KOing opponents at high percentages, due to her consistent knockback. Her neutral game is much safer, due to her attacks being overall safer on shield. Shield Breaker is also less unwieldy, KOing at very low percentages regardless of positioning. Her up smash, down aerial and Dancing Blade are also better in any case.
TL;DR: lucina is significantly better than marth now. check tier lists
BUT lucina is really lame to play :(
"Take Byleth for example. Big tiddie as bitch, takes 10 years to go across the stage, that's not optimal!" ded
>Defending Lucinas' street cred over defending her honor.
Sir. I respect you so much more for this statement and being honest about the character you play instead of simping for her.
This one was hilarious, keep it up!
Lucina's gameplay is the equivalent of Corrin's personality
5grgrgefrvrvtgthth5haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameanie
My fellow lucina I'm glad you destroyed the haters in this video
Bruh mr.game n watch main here at one point everyone pointed out mr game was a low tier out of no where everyone saw the potential he really had and bump him to high tier
You're forgetting the biggest reason why Lucina is inherently superior to our sexy college professor, the run.
That corrin bit killed me lmaoo
Yo, what did my boy kirby do
Honestly Lucina is one of my top 10 favorite
bro the coolest thing about Lucina is her lore. this isn't a dis btw, I love FE!
Ike all day tho
haha silly me being a casual. Seliph in smash!
I agree
3:10 yo mii brawler can do nair forward smash and nobody even remotely thinks brawler is sick.
It’s because every forgets about the mii’s
marth mains still win the mental battle
0:36 to 0:45 tells us why camilla is in smash it would be decades to move a single frame
Sorry bro but if you factor in 1v1 multiplier to Lucina's throws, which you have factored in for King K. Rool, he actually falls short by 0.3% (20.1% for up throw, 20.4* for all of Lucina's throws combined.) However, that does not mean such a throw does not exist. Here's a list of throws that outdamage all of Lucina's throws combined (for the sake of simplicity, I'll be using the non-1v1 multiplier version, so Lucina's combined power is 17):
- Lucario's max aura up throw (~18.41%)
- Olimar's back throw if he has a blue Pikmin in front and any two other Pikmin in back (19.25%)
- Kazuya's Gates of Hell throw (24%)
And if you choose to count it, Isabelle's fishing rod forward throw ties it at 17%
hey man, thanks for the big lolws. keep up the good work!
6:54 bro what is this pixel art software 😂 it looks hilariously funny