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The Downfall of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
- I never have thought I'd have to talk about smash in this light. After more than 5 years, it seems that this is the definitive end for the Smash Bros. Community. Let's discuss why Smash Ultimate is dying.
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How many here have gotten into Persona 5 thanks to Smash Ultimate?
Me
+1
Me
Ikr
I knew shit about Persona, or Atlus for that matter prior to 2019. After Joker was revealed, I did my research and played the games, and I fell in love with Persona, 💕. That's how I feel about any franchise connected to the Smash multiverse.
People don't seem to recognize they're in the Old Married Couple phase with Smash, which leads to them hyper focusing on the negatives and finding new problems they didn't have before.
Very interesting
A thing i noticed with smash and literally not any others game is how sect-like most smashers are. They play that game and nothing else, of course you're going to get burnt out at some point.
Street fighter, guilty gear, tekken, granblue and so much other cool games are just out their waiting for them for cheap (or even free with things like fightcade) and they just don't reach out lol
Nah it's just melee players trying to tear down Ult. Both melees most well known modern players transitioned to Ult for content temporarily and their viewership and success of course shot up since melee is rotting.
@@TwinHacari melee is no where close to rotting. their numbers just keep going up. new talent is taking over old legends. and the meta is somehow still evolving, like donkey kong beating several top players using their mains when he was widely regarded as mid as you could get and yoshi winning majors. both games are great. theres no reason to tear down one game just to make the other look good in comparison
@@dorf7219 melees rotting just being objective.
I don't get how Ultimate can get a bad name just because a few of it's players did some horrible stuff outside of the game. How did just playing Smash, the 5th game in a widely acclaimed series, become disrespected??
it wasnt a few, so many people who were representative of the community did really disgusting things behind the scenes. Ultimate being a lame smash game is subjective but its not that uncommon to hear that from a lot of people too, bad online, lack of single player I dont think its too weird to not understand this sentiment.
Because the community want it to be the new Marvel after MVCI flopped.
@@AdventVFXthe online isn't really bad sometimes its good, and there us so much to do lol
@@AdventVFXit actually was a few, many of the accusations that came came out turned out to be false after being investigated. While some of it of true so much of it was exaggerated and had no factual basis.
@@AdventVFX basically no subspace because of sakrai not wanting spoilers dlc not being what people wanted competitive smash and regular casuals being so different and well brawl subspace and smash 4s customs were what people wanted and then didn't add them they took away glinding because of hardware but didn't add it back really thier are more objective reasons why people hate smash and all of them are mostly deserved and reasonable besides dlc not being what you want because rushed Christmas realese and the second fighter pass being almost exclusively characters that would of been in the base game if they didn't rush it out for Christmas and many other reasons are why smash bros ultimate is objectively faster worse smash 4 and brawl don't get me wrong ultimate fun with spirits but sakrai being the man he is ruined the game think of the reason starfox 2 was orginally canceled being it was better than the game he was making 64 and he tried to make it worst basically mimoyoto salrai should be the last person in charge of smash starfox 2 which would of been the best starfox game if he wasn't jealous and envious he couldn't make a as good starfox game made them make changes to make it worst so yes sakarai made a worst smash game and is my least favorite cretor simply because
The game is not dead, only the competitive scene. I know so many ppl who still play smash casually
I can't find a single game in quickplay. Pretty dead to me
@@Aapiplayz I can
@@AapiplayzSounds like you need to move out of Mars or wherever you live LOL
@@skld-xm I live in Europe
@@Aapiplayz Same thing
Is smash bros no longer relevant? Yes. Is smash bros dead? No. All it takes is a few passionate people to keep a game alive and smash bros fans are great at that.
Few thousand more like looking at the regular 2000 tournament entries at Japan Super majors
No one hates Nintendo fans more than Nintendo...
This game is nowhere near dead. It sold 33 million copies
more my friend
@@WatchDoggyDog This game has like no content tho, classic mode is fine but spirits are much more boring that trophies and don't even have a description, event matches also got turned into spirits mode but was waay better in melee , brawl, and 4. The one minigame in classic mode sucks and I wish we had break the targets or board the platforms. you also don't have to do specific things to unlock characters which I know mewtwo sucks to unlock in melee but still in past games you unlocked other characters by messing around with the different modes in fun and unique ways. You don't have any stages to unlock and all star mode got butchered. World of light is one of the worst modes in smash bros history and I would happily take adventure mode in melee over that any day. What happened to smash run and other fun modes like master orders or crazy orders. The idea of custom moves was super fun and more unique that a spirit.
It may not be, but somethings pertaining to it definitely died within the past few years and everyone smells it rot.
@@LoLRyRyRonHate to agree but you're totally right. How melee still has the best and most variety of the series, being 17 years older than ultimate i don't understand
Yeah for pro players. For us casuals we love it😂
Everyone: The downfall of Smash Ultimate
Meanwhile...
Marvel vs Capcom: *rises from the grave with fighting collection* I HAVE LIVED ONCE AGAIN!!!
Irony isn't it!
MVC wants their crown back from Smash!
Ehh they did
Shoot them selves in the head with infinite tho lol. Still can’t forgive them for that fiasco
@@unicrontheevilincarnate6076 Don't you mean DBFZ?
I hate how people overthink this. Smash’s popularity died because every games popularity dies. Even if it had pristine netcode and an amazing story mode and Nintendo supporting the competitive scene the games popularity would still die off. Look at the best fighting games like SF6, and tekken 8. They have all that but sooner or later people have been dropping these games and more will. Because nothing lasts forever. People will always move onto the next big thing.
Its prob a salty melee fan. They're getting replaced by Ult and feel it.
"look at the best fighting games like SF6"
Is he wrong?@@snake5850
Everything has its time in the sun. Appreciate those moments when they come, because you'll never know when they'll go
Yeah, or you can just play melee and enjoy the same smash game forever xD
Love smash but dang the online is so bad that it always turns me off when I try playing with friends online
try getting new internet? mine upgraded several times over the years, it now rarely lags, and even on my older worse connection, it didn't lag too often compared to how much it was basically perfect.
Why would you play with your friends online? Get your lazy asses on a couch and play it together, as it is intendend.
I can thank Smash for introducing me to Persona 5 which then introduced me to Shin Megami Tensei. If it wasn't for that, I don't know where I'd be right now.
Yo same here man
Are those games really that big of a deal to your life? Like if so that’s dope
Same here and for Fire Emblem. I still don't get it why so much hate for a bunch of characters. I mean, there are nearly 600 FE characters by this point
Same here with Persona, Xenoblade, & getting attention with Fire Emblem
Dude I got into persona because of smash to 😭
Is this a video explaining the "decline" of Smash Ultimate or is it just about summarizing the hype cycle and life cycle of the game? Because most of what this video is is the latter.
I think the reason why the game fell off is because of its story mode since nobody really like the story mode and the online be messy and Nintendo always shuts down Smash Bros Tournaments. So their isn't that much content the smash community can chow down.
Easily! It’s really fair to say these are the biggest reasons for the game’s downfall. Honestly, I’ve been wanting to talk about this for a good while now and it’s shocking nobody’s really made a definitive deep dive into it xP. Guess that shows how many have actually moved on from the game :c
I hope Disney takes advantage of this by announcing Marvel vs Capcom XL with a 100 character roster at launch, rollback netcode, a Smash Bros mode just for Disney to revive the tourneys closed by Nintendo with full support on the competetive scene to spite Nintendo.
Disney weaponize your jealousy and envy to goo and better use!
Yea in older smash games, we had a lot more to do and a boss battle, event and trophies
@@ultronsigma8665this is the most unrealistic idea I have ever seen. Also diminishing returns at some point
Bro I hated the story mode SOLO BORING omg, and I really tried to finished and I couldn't, hours and hours playing it and still very very boring
Thanks Smash for letting me know about Persona 5
Same here. Made me a massive fan of the franchise
@Cybele12 same, also thanks to Pokemon for becoming a mediocre IP
You got into peak 😎
Masahiro Sakurai said he doesn't know if there will ever be a New Smash game. Buuuut Smash is the biggest crossover in gaming so Nintendo will never let it die. But I think it will be a soft reboot. We're probably going to get a subspace emissary sequel since it was originally planned for ultimate. Maybe a crazy New mechanic that will change the gameplay forever
Just be smash ultimate port with dlc bundled
@@therealjaystone2344 I don't think that's going to happen. Smash 4 is a Wii U game and instead of an easy port to the Switch, they made it the biggest game in the series
@@joopvanhedel1372the best way to maintain the same level of hype for an enhanced smash 5 port:
•give it that EPIC story mode with the cutscenes (The more characters the better, but it doesn't have to use all of the characters in the story)
•give us (the actual) popular missing modes from past entries, like break the targets and reach the platforms, make them online as well, trophies would be nice too
•all Ult. dlc included, plus a few (3-6) new characters, plus at least 1 fighters pass dlc (5-6)
•add new music and things, and unique online events following the last dlc character, to keep it fresh. host many Nintendo smash tournies, in as many regions of as many countries as possible "to find the greatest smasher in the world" (me ;) yearly!!
Idk if smash is a bigger crossover than fornite :v
@@aegishdaegoI'd say bigger and better in substance than scope. With Fortnite they are just skins, with no gameplay differences at all. With Smash every character is unique and has their own playstyle. With the only three exceptions being Belmonts, Peach and Daisy, and Dark Samus and Samus.
I just want Subspace 2, a cheesy fanfic crossover battle for heroes and villains to come together to save some goofy insane nonsensical world… maybe with deeper mechanics, greater replayability and even voice acting…?
😪 shame that might not ever happen with Sakurai’s stubborn stances.
I've only played Ultimate and a little bit of Brawl, but I'm upset that Mewtwo wasn't included in the one Smash Bros. game with a story like that. Like, his Smash Bros. version is apparently based on his movie version (not sure if that's true), and that version made a storm that was going to wipe out the entire *world*. Like, could you imagine him as a separate party/faction with his cloned Pokemon and mind-control?
"Cheesy fanfic crossover" indeed.
Sakurai instead prioritize the trailers which have lead to so much hype
the game still rocks, as you know, despite your title. I got smash ult. about 1 year late, but had played it at tournies a bit following it's release. time flies. Zer0 was innocent, idk what happened with anyone else, but that shouldn't affect people's love for the game so much. my tourney days were cut short, but I hope they pick back up with the help of an epic enhanced smash ult. port, which includes everything good that 1 may ponder up for the ultimate enhanced port, which I've typed out so many times, including in a reply to one comment here. just beat a guy I've been wanting to beat in a set for a while online yesterday, and the online modes in general remain a constant place of joy/rage, that beautiful mix all we smashers know too well. Long live Smash, and bring on the enhanced port: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate: Supreme !!!
You mean the Deluxe version?
Super Smash Bros Ultimate Deluxe Supreme!
*Blue Pill or Red Pill*
*Red Pill:* MultiVersus free to play that has a competitive focus with EVO, good cast of characters, good online, interesting / unique mechanics
(But suffers from UNBALANCED characters, many bug issues, useless story mode and micro transaction galore)
*Blue Pill:* Smash Bros. one time purchase to great content, amazing characters, good mechanics, casual / competitive friendly.
(But has bad online, story mode is boring, EVO killer and is switch exclusive)
If it's smash ultimate then I'm going with MVS, no disrespect I just personally don't like smash ultimate but i'll play Smash 64 to Smash 4 though
Play MVC Fighting Collection instead...
It's coming soon!
@@unicrontheevilincarnate6076 Ok? I’ll give it a try
@@unicrontheevilincarnate6076 i love MvC
I tried giving multiversus a try but I just really didn't like the combat and like you said many bugs, So I tried multiversus but it just wasn't for me.
Smash “was” the game I played all day when I got it, I still love the game, but idk at what point, I just don’t enjoy playing it anymore, I still play it with friends sometimes, but it just dosent gives me the enjoyment it used to give me, I’m still thankful for it introducing me to persona5 lol (English isn’t my first language so my grammar are bad)
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
That was me with BBTAG 😟
Me and some friends had a gaming news website a couple of years ago and I remember during the pandemic we came with the idea to make Smash Ultimate open tournaments in cinemas taking advantage of lower screenings, enough space for everyone to stay safe and we got the approval of the site along with sponsors so we had some decent prizes like Pro Controllers, amiibo figures, discounts etc
Long story short, the heads of the local Smash community started trashing our event, talking crap that playing on a screen like that, there was gonna be too much lag, told their members that they'll be banned if the participted and that the prizes were a scam and in the end we had to cancel it due to bad press and low attendance.
Thanks to that I learned that the Smash community doesn't want anything that is not run by them, they always want to see the same players again and again and that apparently a keychain or a $1 is a great prize.
I love the game, I still play by myself or with friends but I don't want nothing to do with the Smash community anymore.
Major respects for the efforts you put into this event. It hurt me so much reading how the community reacted and it sucks. I completely understand your frustration and honestly it’s things like this that really just make the fandom a joke 😞
@@MintJoyPicturesnotice how you only have negative narratives for a worldwide popular game. You're just a little hater aren't cha?
@@dainobu10 this is rough
U ppl call everything dead lmaaooo get outside once in a while
Tldr: Smash players are lazy and chose easy characters and cheap simple and boring playstyles
Smash stopped being fun for me when Ultimate was released, every input just felt delayed n clunky in comparison to it's past games, n the gamemodes was boring, smash ultimate's gameplay n physics felt weird, it ruined alot of characters that i liked to play with which was basically the entire roster, i had to main kirby, Jigglypuff, Steve, n Pyra n Mythra cuz they didn't felt weird like the rest of the roster n i just got bored being limited to certain characters n the lack of good modes
There are so many good modes lol world of light, stage builder, sports, training, and so much more
There’s a downfall? The game is played by me and friends weekly and I see many family’s playing the game.
No it's just a doomer yapping
im just now geting into smash so I don't think its dying.
You're probably a casual who doesn't know what shielding is
clickbait title at its finest, the game is never gonna die 😤😤😤
I’m thankful for Smash for getting me to buy Persona 5 when Joker was included
0:50 Etikas passing started its fall from grace
I agree with this video about 90%, the community though yes has kinda ruined the fun competitively with the meta, the petty drama, and the controversies regarding some pro players illegal actions. There is still some good things, like Sakurai said, and still holds true “Smash Ultimate is the ultimate celebration of gaming as a whole.” It brought everyone one together, I met so many great people from this community, however 2020 and onward really left a sour taste in my mouth in terms of the competitive community. Nintendo’s business strategies was wild, and the Panda Gobal situation… (enough said there). But really for me it’s petty double standards for me, but hopefully TO’s will find a way to fix that, I refer to how they handle banning players and characters in some tournament settings, and not doing proper investigations when a player has allegedly committed a crime. Over a hundred pro players banned, and not a single one of these players have faced jail time; and unfortunately a majority of these cases have passed the statue of limitation, that really pisses me off.
My main issues with Smash Ultimate from what I remember:
The game barely felt like an upgrade from Smash 3DS/Wii U. Hardly any brand new stages, items and characters. Of course the DLC characters and stages helped.
Playing online, which was far worse than the previous Smash games. Delayed inputs and I remember there were plenty of times where it clearly looked like I should have been able to punish an opponent who missed an attack or grab and was left wide open, such as a very strong but slow attack or grab. But they somehow manage to get me first, which wouldn't have happened in past Smash games. Especially from characters who were heavyweights.
When playing online, many characters attacks or grabs seem extremely difficult to counter unless you maybe had a decent projectile. It often felt like there was no cooldown time for missing. Their hit box seemed to last longer than it should have.
I heard online connections are somewhat better now from a patch?
*the recent full kagaribi vod from like a month ago has 1.3 million views. Smash is no where near being dead lol*
Kagaribi 12 was also the biggest smash event ever in Japan.
He did NOT just call SMASH 4 “the definitive and best playing entry in the franchise”,, that game was BOOTY
I always considered the latest smash to also be the new best smash game overall, even if it wasn't the best in certain areas. The same rang true for 4 for me, although I agree that that wasn't everyone's resounding opinion at the time as he made it seem.
Thats pretty valid. I grew up with Brawl and Smash 4 and I’d still have to say Smash 4 is my least favorite because it just felt dry. Respect your opinion though
The tournament scene for smash 4 was better than Brawls. It birthed many genius players that continued their careers in smash ultimate. I considered smash 4 at its peak to be 2nd to only melee. I made so many friends thanks to it. I love that it was a slow paced game so we could punish attacks and learn fundamentals even if we didnt like high pace of the pros
Booty butt cheeks
Smash 4 doesn't play as well as ultimate but had better content, aka smash run is better than every mode in ultimate no cap
There's is no downfall of smash. This dude is just trying to find something to talk about. Worthless..............
For me, the downfall was changing all the final smashes to instant ones. It ruined it for me. Brawl was the last time I had actual fun with Smash, casually.
I am nearing my 9,000th hour and still can't make myself play other games without coming back.
Who’s your main ?
@@aerospacewelding I've played Ness since 1999. That said, I play the older characters more than the newer characters, so I have played a TON of the original 12.
I really hope we get a deluxe. There's so many fighters in this game that I truly deeply care for. That taking one out would break my heart. I literally have ALL the amiibos of this game and would buy more. I will not regret any purchases of said game. I also have ALL of the DLC of this game too. This game truly deserves a deluxe.
Only reason why i started playing smash bros is because of sonic and joker
same
I really wish they just kept Smash open ended and every couple years we could rely on a few new additions. If you keep the reveal buzz alive, the game never loses the spotlight. You could even have multiple teams work on the characters and Sakurai be the final phase of approval to take some of the load off his shoulders. It's called Ultimate. Be Ultimate. 🙁
I don’t think the game sucks. But I think there should’ve been some more things. Event matches would’ve been fun as well as a boss rush mode that Brawl had.
I'll always have Smash in my heart and it did do an amazing job at introducing me to some of my favorite franchises of all time - Xenoblade, Persona and Fire Emblem (for awhile lol). While I definitely do still have a sour spot for the competitive scene and the events that happened between COVID to now, I will definitely be one of the first to line up for the new Smash. Let's be different this time 🙏🏾
right now my only real problems with smash ultimate, as a whole are honestly pretty minor ones that.. just got more annoying over time.
But i'm also a solo player.. I play the game normally in places with out internet. So my kind of problems don't always match the problems Multiplayer and competitive players have.
The Biggest problem.. honestly for me.. is the lack of single player modes. On one hand having a special arcade ladder for EVERY CHARACTER is really cool... but at the same time you don't really have a random classic mode you can just hop into. The amount of content is simultaneously massive in terms of characters, stages, and items but then lacking in terms of ACTUAL modes of game. Sometimes I still play Smash 4 3ds just for modes like Smash Run. Allstar mode, Target smash, So many goofy game styles that feel special and FUN that are just missing from ultimate. I WANNA SMASH CRATES AS TERRY! I want a constantly evolving All star mode that kept sending people at you in the YEAR they were first created...
Another problem is an honestly super minor annoyance.. the Game not keeping track of who I AM PLAYING. Needing to pick my character and my color over and over is a pain...
and then editing the rules can be a major annoyance instead of just basic settings like in past games.
I'm glad that this wasn't all just a bunch of bitching over Steve, as I'm sure many viewers expected. It focused more on the efforts and actions of Nintendo which was a good idea. Good video man :)
No fun content other than just playing smash, shitty online, broken dlc ruined the fun of the competitive scene. Game’s dead no matter how many copies sold over the 6 years this game’s already been out
No
Hot take that I like Smash 4 over Ultimate
Input delay, jumping changes, etc had me not like the feel of Ultimate
Project M was my favorite though
Smash 4 is so overrhated nowadays, just because ultimate took its place and brawl getting a cult following doesn’t mean smash 4 is now garbage
smash 4 was sick. wish I still had it and my wii u...oops
Ye I prefer smash 4 over ultimate, smash 4 felt more responsive n Smash ultimate made everything feel delayed
Doesn't stop it from being the worst is the franchise
@@Mike-di3mo keep saying that to yourself
I stopped play smash after last dlc i felt complete
Pandemic was a vibe kill. And rules from Nintendo sucked. But you gloss over some community bullshit that ruined things. Like the whole situation with Captain Zach and Nairo. Downfall of ZeRo with the accusations he faced. And Samsora. Honestly these three scandals ripped the community apart. In addition were all the stupid nerfs Nintendo implemented like nerfing ZSS, Ivysaur, Olimar and then introducing characters like Steve who just trash everyone.
I just want 2019 Smash Ultimate back. The Ultimate that was on a meteorite rise with a vibrant competitive scene.
I literally had an idea yesterday about writing and making a video about why Smash went silent, you hit almost every point I had written, this was super well done. Nice production! If you don't mind I still kinda want to make one and give you the shoutout because this is great
would you stop yapping for a minute, this game is 6 years old, it is allowed to die EVEN THO IT ISNT
If you’re a casual player you won’t understand… if your a professional player… you will see why this can be hated and it’s mostly due to our limits in the game for online play only
It just never was good, it's just smash 4 + which isn't a good thing
it's a tragedy what happened to this game...
what was once the biggest fighting game of all time in 2019 turned into the laughing stock of the world.
When Sora was revealed... I was happy.... for everyone else. Look, I understand that not everyone will make it into smash but there were a few missed opportunities like obvious echo fighters. I wanted Shadow in Smash so bad I got banned because of it XD (I added too many mods to my switch)
This title is crazy, smash scene is still super active and alive as ever
The online sucks, the mechanics aren't as deep as Melee's, and the character imbalance at the competitive level is unfun to watch or play. That's really it, in my opinion. The netcode ensures online tournaments aren't very serious, the mechanics surrendered fans to Melee, and the balance surrendered players to "I'm not playing the same game as Steve and Kazuya anymore" syndrome.
Ultimate is still fun, is played constantly online and offline, and I expect it will continue to be this way for years and years. It's competitive scene is dying, that's all.
I'm a huge smash fan, but honestly, I never liked ultimate. It was cool they added so many characters, but the gameplay sucks. The inputs are delayed, there's still so many bugs, and the online is garbage with terrible net code. There's more, but these are the 3 biggest problems that kill the game to me
2:46 that is a hell lot of fighters!
The game is like 6 years old. There is no downfall. Its a natural decline that any game goes through at the end of its cycle. Just say you need more channel engagement.
BRO… “doesn’t hurt having another fight game character” but calling out byleth for hAviNg tO mUcH FirE eMblEm rEpS was BOLD… specially for the broken ahh pay to win character kazuya is (yes, i’m butthurt, but so are everyone who hated on byleth)
I got into xenoblade and fire emblem from this game and I don't regret it they're good games and after playing three houses and xenoblade 2 I completely understand why byleth got in along with pyra and mythra
Your not going to follow up about reused code? Not even examples?
-the issue with hero in tournaments was the language barrier of having to read the options on the down special
-despite your very serious tone, you seem to be very lackadaisical in your research in favor of just commenting on the dlc fighter reveals. And even so, your commentary is competitively dated. Joker isn’t overpowered, he was just picked up and played by MkLeo.
-in other words, it’s a game approaching six years old with a new console on the horizon with a still thriving competitive scene whilst still being the fighting game you can pick up at a party.
-therefore, dislike.
I'mma like this comment, while still liking and enjoying the video for what it was, cuz I'm cool like that. I see your points, but this was his video that he made, and he did a good job giving us a recap and expressing his opinion, even if not as thorough as it could be.
Nah joker is busted, but not because of arsene. It's his base form that's busted. it's too powerful, it racks up all of the damage for arsene to just clean up(also doing damage and taking damage both contribute to pulling him out)
Also the frame three counter.
@@HoboWithAShotgunbase joker is barely a high tier
It's such a shame too, especially as a casual player. I'll never know why all the media I like die out quickly.
Man... people get REALLY defensive whenever anyone criticizes this game, huh?
I'm just gonna say it... Ultimate is definitely not my favorite game in the series, mostly because of its incredibly lacking single player, extremely mediocre story mode, and the online still leaving a lot to be desired. Also, Spirits are just so much lamer compared to Trophies. Sure, it may have every single character that's ever been playable in Smash's history, and while that may seem cool at first, the novelty quickly wears off once you realize that the rest of the game was kind of sidelined for it. To me, it just feels like they took the "Quantity over Quality" approach with this game, and it's why I haven't touched it since early 2021.
If someone shares their opinion against something, you are also entitled to give them your rebuttal.
It's still alive after 5 years and lived through a pandemic the if you want to see a downfall see multiverses
I love this Super Smash Brothers game!
Here's the thing: I see smash as a gateway into fighting games like street fighter because it teaches game sense and stuff so after I got sf6 (happy first anniversary) I just visit it from time to time to see how sweaty the game has become
Smash Ultimate is really a hard game to pin down my stance on definitively. There are good points and an equal amount (if not more) of bad points. I don't follow the tournament scene, so my perspective is on the game itself with minimal community perspective.
To get the community perspective out of the way, I became numb a long while back to the fact that none of my hopes got in and don't look back to before then fondly, if ever. Sure, I'm impressed that I was able to successfully guess that Banjo & Kazzoie, Sora, a rep from ARMS, and a rep from Xenoblade 2 would be included, and I thought it was genius to include Terry to tribute how King of Fighters 95 inspired Sakurai to create Super Smash Bros. in the first place, but the atmosphere of Ultimate didn't feel as fun as previous entries, especially when speculation became toxic much too quickly. I lost count how much harassment I and a few of my friends had to deal with just over speculation, the worst of which came from Minecraft & Shovel Knight zealots. (It didn't help that I already didn't have positive opinions of those franchises before Smash.)
The "Everyone is Here" hook looked nice on paper and for the roster, but what fun is a massive roster without interesting things to do with all the playable reps? I get that Smash is a fighting game series, but there was more than just fighting to do in previous entries, so that's not a strong excuse. Ultimate arguably has the worst "Games & More" selection in the franchise, even considering that 64 only had Classic, Versus, Break the Targets, & Board the Platforms. With the innovations that Melee, Brawl, & 4 brought on, it was sad to see Ultimate backpedal so much, making it feel hollow in some regard. Steve was easily the worst addition to the roster due to exploiting bugs in the stage reprogramming (which was made to accommodate his inclusion, no less). I would have said Kazuya was the worst, but being Bayonetta on steroids is child's play compared to screwing with the game's code.
Speaking of hollow, World of Light is easily the worst Adventure Mode in the series, bar none, and part of the blame lies on Ultimate's key collectible: Spirits. I get that Trophies were becoming too resource-intensive, but the solution shouldn't have been pulling stock PNG's of the characters & items. Brawl's Stickers may have done that too, but they were supplemental collectibles as Trophies coexisted in that game. With how Spirits are on their own and don't even have as much as a short bio to let players learn about certain series, it makes the feature feel lazy and uninspired, especially due to Spirit Battles fluctuating in quality from decent to abysmal. Plus, it sucked that there were some third party series that only got representation through this half-baked feature that felt like an overglorified Google image search.
Also, after being shown it after Joker's inclusion, I can say that I hate Persona 5 and the entire Megami Tensei franchise, so thanks for bringing to light a franchise that I should avoid, Smash Ultimate.
You missed how the meta turned out. It is hard to gain fans when your S tiers are an absolute snoozefest.
Metaknight vs MetaKnight in Brawl is an infinitely more watchable matchup than Sonic vs. Steve.
In fact, a lot of the FP2 characters break the read,bait, punish gameplay that makes Smash great. Banning all of them plus sonic and excluding sephiroth would make ultimate a better game.
Well to be fair, smash ultimate has been out for 6 years. Normally at 6 years, games wouldn’t be nearly as popular as smash ultimate is.
Remove Steve, Kazuya, Hero, and Sora from the game, and it'll pick back up.
I haven’t play smash bros since melee but I tell myself I’ll try ultimate at some point 😂. I’m so far behind.
I like how it took 11 minutes to finally get the point of the "production", only for the points to be "I didn't like Byleth", some really bad drama (that is really bad, don't get me wrong), and tournament guidelines. No points about the actual game itself, like the current meta game. The only points were new fighters and outside factors regarding the game's competitive scene. It's a really lackluster picture of this game's downfall honestly. There is a lot more to it; feels like an outsider's shot in the dark on why SSBU is having problems rn.
I also especially liked how you pointed out how good other fighting game online experiences were in comparison to SSBU's online, although the fighting game genre is infamous for having the worse online experiences in the entire gaming scene. It was actually post-SSBU when fighting games finally accepted newer forms of online play (specifically Rollback). You might want to research before making massive claims like, "SSBU is the ONLY bad online fighting game" next time.
Gotta be honest man, this video was a huge waste of my time. As a huge SSBU fan, I learned absolutely nothing from this video. This all is very harsh to say, but I say it only to put the flaws of this video up front so you can improve. Next time, focus more on an objective reasoning behind your point and provide evidence for it instead of just saying what you feel and calling it a day.
Smash is no where near dead what it is, is aging not dying it has cemented its name as THE platform fighter all thats happened is its running dry without new content as all games do but the comunity is still thriving and alive
“White man has been here”
“How can you tell?”
“Video essay about the death of something just because it’s a older game”
I do hope that Ultimate will be rereleased, with all fighters in the Fighters pass now in the base game of the rerelease
Once pro players see that this game isnt only for them, they will see that this ganes is far near dead
The only thing that would kill ultimate is the fact that most people want smash to be a competitive only game instead of the wacky “holy shit it’s the blocky dude from Minecraft” smack down game that has a vibrant and cheerful theme to it. Every now and then there will be some people in the community also tend to gate-keep the idea of new players and fun, this combined with the fact that the average quick play match is either a lag fest or a fight against a dude sweating his nuts off because he doesn’t want to go pro in the big leagues. It’s kinda like a 35 year old man playing little league soccer because he doesn’t want his ego to be shattered by other grown men who have trained years to join a high paying team. In other words; it’s not the game it’s certain players that don’t want to have fun in a mind breaking crossover fighting game or just hate the fact that a certain character got in fair and square (I understand why people hate bayoneta’s rigged vote). I forgot to mention that there are also some people that straight up send death threats if you disagree with a character vote and the fact that someone will hate on you for playing a character that you like (an example is Steve) which is an issue because people are banning certain characters and stages because a few people had a skill issue while playing against a certain character or on a specific stage.
This really makes me want to talk about the smash fandom and these issues, but sadly I was just as guilty with the whole overly competitive mindset on the game lol. Still am if you ask me cause I never play with items or default stage settings
I mean the game is still fun to play with friends. If they would just add some new content it would be incredible again.
I still like the game and smash bros ultimate is still popular some people say that because they suck at the game.
The next super smash brothers game should be called super smash brothers quality to Emphasize quality over quantity
I think the problem is people are used to live service, multiversus, new mortal combats, but Nintendo doesnt have that. They have ultimate as a game not a live service one. That why people liked the dlc characters it was more content. I think the next smash will be live service
The downfall of smash as I mindlessly put it on to combo for a few hours online
After the 2020 incident nintendo went hard on tornument hosts and its almost impossible to make of living playing this game outside of streaming it.
Smash Ultimate wasn't the cup of tea for the melee enthusiasts [me being one of them] Smash 4 was good, but the buffering system and captain falcons dash dance ruined the entire experience for me. Legitimately played melee for the entire life cycle of Ultimate. Smash 4 was better imo
Your smash content is so 🔥 always, cant wait for your new ideas
Doesn't every game eventually hit a downfall? Lol
It died bc Nintendo stopped competitive tournaments
It's funny how when street fighter 5 had 8 frames of input delay, everyone was in shock, it was a controversy, and the game got patched, but when Smash Ultimate had that, nobody cared.
I've essentially moved on from video games but played smash bros from 64 to smash 4... but I remember playing ultimate in 2019 and was instantly turned off from the native input lag along with other changes. Ultimate may be the biggest smash game but it was the most forgettable for me right along with smash 4, I didn't care about it and tournaments were boring.
No wonder you're just easy money to everybody else.
@@cardinmalone4974 Meaning in the game? I am easy to beat in ultimate cause I don't play lol. Only played ultimate a few times before I got bored of it and went back to melee, which I quit too
RIP Etika
I hvnt liked smash ultimate for years now, the dlc were consistently overpowered trash filled with annoying bugs and a boring story mode which smash themselves blew out of the park in 2008 with subspace
I love Smash Bros, but I hate Nintendo, and I'll explain so that people know why. Many folks are unfamiliar with the history of Smash, which is why they do not seem to understand that Nintendo doesn't really care about Smash, and they only use IP of Smash whenever they struggle to push one of their new systems out, because they know that the series is a system seller, and that even people that don't care about Nintendo will always get their new systems just because of Smash, and honestly that practice alone is one of the reasons why I dislike Nintendo, but there's more to it. Back when Satoru Iwata was the face behind HAL Laboratory, he did many projects and activities to encourage his employees to be creative, so that development for games could be passionate and very different than what was the standard at the time, and he also didn't care about how much experience one person had, because even though Masahiro Sakurai was a newcomer with not much experience at his company, whenever Sakurai brought new ideas to the table even though he might not have been very confident about them, Iwata would take the ideas seriously and would actually back them up, even though Sakurai's other colleagues would sometimes look down on them because they were too "simplistic" such as when Kirby was designed, it was thanks to Iwata's encouragement and support and even programming expertise that games such as Kirby's Dream Land got made for the Game Boy, and even Sakurai's magnum opus which is Smash Bros, would probably never had happened if it hadn't been due to Iwata, because originally the game would have been a generic fighting game, where the goal was not to bring the opponents life bar to zero, but to get the enemy fighters off the screen to KO them, and Iwata liked the idea and immediately noticed why Sakurai felt dissatisfied with the game, and it was because it just didn't pop out or bring a lot of attention to the experience, which is why it was suggested to use Nintendo characters as the roster, and after Sakurai did and then got very creative with the special moves and such which made the game very iconic, it was then up to Iwata to submit the idea to Nintendo and showcase it, but he was rejected by people like Shigeru Miyamoto, who thought that the idea would never work, and immediately dismissed the use of his Mario characters, and had Iwata been a bad boss and by the book he would have told Sakurai the outcome of what happened, and all the time and development for Smash would have been flushed down the toilet, but Iwata was not just any other boss and he proceeded with the Smash Bros idea, even if at the end he would have to provide his own funding to do it, and actually worked close with Sakurai to make the game idea more appealing and then did a second screening with Nintendo, and he actually got the approval by Hiroshi Yamauchi the Nintendo President at the time, and many people would have thought that this was just a fluke, but this is not the case because many other super strong franchises would have failed, such as Pokemon or even the Mother series if things had been left up to Miyamoto, because he disapproved of those games that were in development, and many of them had been in development hell, because while the creators had very good ideas for the games, they were not programmers and as such would have never been able to develop those ideas to bring them to reality, and it was only because of Satoru Iwata's programming expertise that all of those games got made, and in turn they became very successful but the humble Iwata didn't even take the credit for them, because he was just happy to be involved in all these projects, as he was a true pioneer of the game industry, which is why he won Yamauchi's favor and eventually became president of Nintendo, and for about the decade that he had been president, it could be said that it was the time when Nintendo prospered the most, as the consoles were very well designed since Iwata was very picky with how things ran in the company, such as how the Nintendo DS almost didn't get made because Iwata demanded that the DS needed to be dropped from a certain altitude, and be able to survive the fall for it to be allowed to be developed, because unlike the current Nintendo president, Iwata truly cared about what he developed, and he 100 percent believed in his projects such as how he used his own money to fund things like the 3DS and Wii U, just because the other Nintendo executives didn't believe in those projects, and to this day those other systems have stood the test of time, and it can be said that they are things that were way ahead of their time, and I am pretty sure that if Iwata had still been the head of Nintendo and healthy, he would have done something to keep the servers for the Wii/Wii U or 3DS running, but unfortunately his years caught up with him due to most likely not leading a very healthy lifestyle, as he was the head programmer of many of the games he had been a part of if not the only programmer in some cases, which meant that he did a lot of crunch time while at the office, and that's not really good for anyone's health, so in a way you could say that what killed Iwata was his love for games. Now to go back to Nintendo, I just believe that Iwata's legacy has been trampled, and the executive's greed and want to control everything related to Nintendo, has just gone completely out of hand, and even though I was somewhat aware of Nintendo's shady upbringing and history, which I recommend for people to look up the bits and pieces that haven't been censored or silenced by Nintendo, I always gave them a pass because they did make top quality products, and I felt like they were trying to prove themselves to their customers, which is why Nintendo was known for top quality, but after all the issues I have had with my Switch, and all the unfair practices and even prices related to the system which is a very outdated piece of tech, I will make the Switch my final Nintendo console, and until Nintendo actually makes an effort to regain my trust, I will not be buying any new hardware or software from them, and I think that those people that actually do research on Nintendo's history may back me up on this, so the content on this video is just a tip of the iceberg that is Nintendo.
At that point your comment could have been a 10 minute video essay considering your passion on the subject.
I just feel like Smash Ultimate just isn't as good as Brawl online and while I love the character roster of Ultimate, brawl is always my favorite
Its the most pay to win trash ever, online is just a lonely circle jerk of pay to win characters all doomed to play with each other forever. lol
when the next Nintendo console drops and a new smash bros comes out. the hype will return
Good video but I think you honestly missed a few VERY big reasons why smash ultimate is on a downwards spiral.
As someone who still plays this game and is very active in the scene to this day I'd say the biggest things that killed Ultimate where not the 2020 allegations, the pandemic or the new nintendo guidelines although those definitely did not help.
It was more the fact that fighter pass 2, while having some characters that many people wanted was EXTREMELY polarizing in the competitive scene. Min Min, Kazuya, Pyra/Mythra and ESPECIALLY Steve are all extremely broken characters in their own right compared to 99% of the cast and pretty much make up the majority of the top tiers in the game. They all promote really unfun playstyles such as Min Min walling you out from halfway across the stage, Kazuya killing you off of 1 hit, Steve doing BOTH of those etc. It was so bad there where talks of banning Steve from competitive play because he was just so unfair and killed viewership whenever he was on a tournament stream because no one wanted to watch his campy playstyle. That mixed with the current top tiers of smash ultimate such as Sonic (who runs away the whole game) Game and watch (who plays the game for you) and a lot of other characters made people just lose interest in the game because playing against and watching those characters every single bracket was just not fun to most (This is coming from a Steve player)
Secondly 3 HUGE companies in the scene Panda Global, VGBootcamp and Beyond the Summit all shut down or took HUGE financial hits after a falling out between them in 2022/2023. Together they pretty much funded the scene and hosted a lot of the major tournaments that kept the scene alive. So much so that the scene was going to have not 1 BUT 2 separate tournament circuits that 2 of those 3 companies where hosting which was the Panda Cup (Panda Globals circuit) and the Smash World Tour (VGBootcamps circuit). The fact these circuits shut down JUST as they where about to host the finals for both was a MASSIVE blow to the community and when Panda shut down and VGBootcamp lost pretty much all their funding and ended up being a shell of their former company basically financially ruined the community from that point on because they helped fund and get sponsors for a lot of the major tournaments. After they shut down a lot of tournaments that where once under the Smash World Tour or Panda cup couldn't afford to run anymore for the next years and had to shut down as well (Including Beyond the Summit) so it was basically a trickle down effect from the top dogs to the small local scenes, especially cuz after this PLUS the fighter pass 2 characters making the game not fun to play anymore many moved on which meant not as many people entering tourneys which meant tourneys where losing sponsors which meant smaller prize pots which meant less money in the scene. (This is coming from someone who worked at Panda Global)
That's what I would say those are the REAL reasons Smash Ultimate is on a downfall because at this moment most of the casuals have kinda moved on since other things have come out plus this game being nearly 6 years old at this time and the only thing really keeping the game alive and in the public eye is the competitive scene which is dying off because of the reasons stated above.
Again you had good points but you def missed some crucial things that happened. Would def recommend doing more research or reaching out to a competitive player/someone who has been in the scene a while because they can give you really good insight to the ongoings in the community.
i think all it is, is that time is moving forward and people are tired of ultimate. im seeing videos about how mario odyssey is not a masterpiece, when since its release i only saw praise online. quite simply, time goes on and people are craving the next true installment.
I mean I lol’d at how casual you were about the whole Banjo reveal. But then later on it was pretty much spot on.
I think what really necked the game was Bayleth/Pandemic/Min Min/Steve.
Bayleth speaks for itself, the pandemic fucked with the development scedule and sabotaged with local tournaments, Min Min AFTER Bayleth was a severe error on Nintendos part as these were two pretty forgettable fighters being released in one of the largest release windows for the DLC (cause pandemic) and then finally Steve which would have been hype had he been released after Sephiroth or something, just seemed like a low effort job after the Bayleth/Min Min disappointment.
Once you got to play him and the stage you did realize how much thought went into him. But as a reveal it was so mid. I vividly remember beign so hyped for SSU after the Terry reveal knowing we had one more slot and then an entire six slots in fp2 remaining. But then from Bayleth on to literally Sephiroth I just tuned out. I did follow speculation but the feeling was gone.
Honestly they should have played with the lineup and revealed a fp3. I know Sakurai needed a break but that really killed the game. It will forever be the greatest roster in gaming. I doubt anything will ever come close (besides a SSU Deluxe lol) but the missed potential and anti climax was really sad. People miss Smash but also miss the feeling of those earlier years. Looking back in retrospect fp2 is amazing. But in the moment going from reveal to reveal it didnt feel that way.. 😢
The game is definitely not dead
9:25 all of america knew who terry was
only the north , unamed american federation didn't knew who he was.
I enjoy project m, smash remix, ssf2, and other stuff, ultimate has top much cheese and personally I find half the cast more too cringy when I should be having fun, dark souls is more tolerable