Shop Work: How to get better dust collection with a Miter saw dust shroud
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I made a custom wooden dust shroud for my miter saw and put it to the test.
I'm making one tomorrow. I might make to top out of foam see if it gives it better flexibility. Thanks for the idea and inspiration. Great job
Awesome! This one took quite a bit of trial and error but I can't really argue with the finished product. It works really well. The only issue is that if I'm cutting miters or bevels that I have to slid it out... and it's not the easiest thing to take out.
How do or did you make this I have a Milwaukee miter saw
The part that fits behind your blade
When I bought my new miter saw, it came with a small plastic bag of sawdust. The instructions said to put the sawdust in the collection bag so that you will think the thing is working. The Sawdust Collection Illusion Bag is working great and I never have to empty it! Thanks for a great video!
LOL Thanks for the laugh Fred!
Where can I order one of those bags? I will only need 1 right?
In general there are two motivations for dust control: 1) clean up the mess; 2) save your lungs from small (1--3 micron) particles. You got #1 pretty well covered. To reduce small particle contamination, you either wear a breathing apparatus, or engage some exhaust action. A miter saw is a real challenge because there's a very vigorous liberation of small particles. Containment barriers on 5 sides of the cube, plus exhaust inside the containment area definitely help a lot. If you have a large enough space, set a horizontal fan to blow past your shoulder, carrying the fines away from your face; they settle after travelling a few feet. Capture and exhaust is the best strategy.
No outtakes! I feel cheated! This is a perfect opportunity for minor burn pains. Trust me, I have done it.
At first I thought you were going to slide the beveled piece through the larger piece and wedge it in. Never thought about making a flat flange on it. Nice. Another great instructional Drew.
Haha yup... this video is OLD. Pre-dates the outtakes
That's why I pull my mitersaw outside and point it at my neighbors yard. Then no worries about dust collection. :)
BronkBuilt that's genius... Such a savage
LOL , I like your thinking.
great.... cut lots of treated, arsenic infused, flying poison right into their pool. That'll learn em.
BronkBuilt... this is your neighbor... thanks for the garden mulch but if you would be so kind, would you cut more cedar please ?
My neighbor does it to me so I make it a point to do it to him.
Significant improvement, I am always exploring new ideas of achieving better dust collection on all my tools.
That works extremely well my friend.
Good job. Good presentation. That said, this solution, like majority of others on YT, should be titled, in effect, improved dust collection for 90 degree crosscuts. As pro finish carpenter, any "solution" that relegates the saw incapable of making the full range of compound cuts leaves the real problem basically unsolved. The solution of this video is valuable for most shop work, but only if the problem is so redefined. Still, thanks for posting.
brilliant. definitely trying this. such small little adjustments that can make such a big difference in airborne saw-dust; less cleaning and better air-quality in your lungs! thanks for sharing this
Glad it helped!
Rookie woodworker here, just bought a bunch of new tools including a miter saw and the first thing I noticed was how bad the vacuum/miter dust chute system was at it's job. Now that you gave me the best version I've seen. I have a suggestion which is what I will do for mine. The issue you said you were having is doing miter cuts so you have to remove if you want to do those cuts, right? May I suggest cutting the left/back side as low as miter bevels then adding a left back corner wall with sliders and adjustment knobs that you can tighten or loosen to proper height for your specific cut. Thanks again for this genius idea.
So far this seems to be the easiest shroud to build. Good job 👏🏻.
Others I have seen are quite complicated and bulky that mounts to a wall. I’m gonna use you system for sure. Thanks
Thanks Belinda. I've been using it for almost a year now and still really like how it performs. One thing that I've noticed though is that if you want to chop and push the blade through the cut, then you should first cut a small groove for the blade to send the sawdust through. Otherwise, the dust still goes everywhere. But if you're dropping the blade and then pulling through the cut, then you're fine just like that. You'll see what I mean once you make yours.
This is the best and simplest I've seen so far. Plus all those other bulky box things hanging off the back are chunky and unsightly.
I will be making something similar for my Makita chop saw.. thanks for sharing..
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
I'm interested in how yours works. I tried it on my Makita with only fair results. Quite frankly not worth the trouble. Hope you are a bit more clever than I.
This video still holds up. Except for the part where you blow the dust out of the bucket, hoo boy have we gotten sensitive to dust since 2017!
You are the only one that I've seen that have a great solution for the problem, I just bought a new slider mightier saw that dust goes everywhere like yours, so this is perfect. Thanks you so much for sharing your idea!!! :D
That, sit, is what one would refer to as a “Dramatic increase”!.....well done!
Wow!! Your shop and videos have both come a long way since this video!! Keep up the great work!!
Nice work! If you would add a piece of 1/4" to the back fence it would keep the small pieces from going in the collector. This will usually give you a safer and better cut, it does for me. Keep up the good work!
Hey thanks! Yeah I thought about that, but my fear was that when I'm cutting at my blade isn't far enough back within the shroud that it would just blow dust everywhere defeating the purpose of the whole thing. The bigger the opening, the better it seems to collect. But you're right, a zero clearance back fence is almost a necessity for some cuts. Thanks for watching!!
This is one of the most difficult problems in the shop to solve. Our compound miter saw runs almost as much as the cabinet saw. This is a nice little attachment for straight cuts. Where we differ is that most of our cuts on that machine are in fact, not 90 degree chops, although, there are quite a few of those as well. We have a little homemade chute that just extends the factory chute on the back of the shroud that allows for at least some more dust to direct up into the vac hose, but we also have a box of masks next to the machine and a vac hose with a nozzle ready to clean up afterwards! Anyway, you've done an impressive job both with design as well as with manufacture on this. Nice work.
Agreed, if I wasn't doing 90+% straight cuts, then this solution wouldn't be ideal for me. But so far, it's worked out quite nice. I just picked up a new miter saw so I'll try to engineer an even better solution for that one.
you inspired me. i mounted a small square plastic trash can (12" square x 10" deep) behind my chop saw table. Used a hole-saw to make an opening in the bottom to put the shopvac hose through. Being further back than yours, its not as efficient, but it doesn't interfere with the operation of the saw in any way and probably get about 75% of the dust. It took me 45 minutes to rig up (would be 10 minutes if I did it a second time, its that simple).
Great idea!
after i posted this last night, I found another video where someone had done basically what I did except they used a much larger container (like 24" x 36"). I happened to have one of those and I swapped out my small container for the larger one, didn't cut a hole, just placed the shopvac hose in there, voila, about 90% efficient.
What a convincing demonstration. Excellent work.
Thank you..
great how to i will have to give it a go iv seen several ways of doing it but yours looks good,like you said its a hard one to stop all dust doing its own thing
Wow amazing!!!
Hola! 🖐 That was a very interesting experiment and it seems that you found a good solution that works for you. It's awesome that using MDF you were able to form a shape that works for your application. There are lots of videos about "solving" the dust collection at the miter say, I really enjoyed this one. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Thank you! Cheers!
I really like your approach. Wondering if you could make the top where the slot for the blade goes replaceable so you could drop in a new top with a 45 degree slot for miters? A few replaceable tops for the common miter positions might do the trick
Pure witchcraft! Love your idea. One of the best solutions I've seen.
WOW! You think like I do, only better. Will build one as soon as I finish cleaning up my dusty shop. Thanks!
Good video and great idea! This is a real problem with miter saws for all.
Holy crap Fisher ! I'll build one tomorrow! THANKS
Señor, You are a genius!!!! 😉
I dunno about that, but thanks. hah
Lol. Just like everyone is commenting you should patent your idea my friend!!!!
Very smart! I like it. Most of my cuts are also 90 degrees.
Going through same realization with stock dust flap on new miter, nice before after ....
Excellent job on the dust shroud
Will be looking into building one 👍
Thanks, John!
Great solution. My saw is a non-slider, but I'm going to something when I'm done with my current projects. I like the small size. I'm sure those giant tents are great, but in my small basement shop they are way too big. Also, I plan to try using the dust bag over the existing dust port. There was something called the Keen Dust Chuter. The patent was bought by Milescraft and then never made. You could do miter cuts with it.
Yeah that was my thinking too about how big those tents are. Only bummer with my solution is mitered cuts. Thanks for watching! :)
I got milescraft to send me a demo Dust Chuter to try but it didn’t work with my Dewalt 780. It needs to be used with a saw that collects its dust upward from inside the blade housing. They said they are hesitant to release it because they can’t find a design that will work with e dry type of saw. But it can be made easily enough with some stretchy fabric and some Velcro and bungee cords
Excellent idea and very effective can you post more about how you made it?
That's a great idea. I need to make one of these for mine. I bet mocking up one of these with cardboard would help to get the odd shapes dialed in to make one of these.
Precisely what I did. You'll notice that it works better if you change how you cut too. For instance, instead of starting at the front and pushing through the piece you want to start at the back and cut a channel for the dust to go and pull towards you. Using this technique I can get even better dust collection.
I haven't seen anything better !
Vast improvement , good job.
Thanks GB!
Thanks for the ideas!
That works fairly well. I may make something similar for mine.
dude, you better patten that and start working on other brands of miter saws quickly because others will as soon as they see this video. the major brands will be calling you soon. I would pay extra for that. how do you think Craig jig and others got started. that's ingenious. kodos to you.
100% i always try and fix or make everything myself. I wish i could just buy this lmao
@@calebwillhelm2635 Where are the plans in your Store ? Why are they not for sale ? Exact saw I have.
@@Dennis-kj9qx not sure what you mean? I was just saying I always try and build everything my self or fix the issue myself. But I would for sure buy this product. Well to.be honest I've just given up on the dust. I just use a backpack blower and blow it out the garage now.
just so ya know, soft woods don't have much silica in 'em but hard woods do. Ya gotta filter down to a micron. Silica in the lungs causes cumulative damage that doesn't heal.
Okay I have the same miter saw. I. We'd the dimensions to the shroud so I can make one. Great video. I'm a subscriber now.
To be honest, I just used cardboard and traced the shape of the fence, cut my pieces, and started gluing stuff together. Then I'd made a test cut, see where dust was squirtin' out and glue in little filler pieces until she was sealed. It's far from perfect and I'm sure you could come up with something better after seeing mine. The biggest thing I regret is making it so that it only works on 90-degree cuts. It would be nice if I had a solution that could handle the blade being at different angles. Sometimes the best solutions are the easiest. I've seen people just make a big tent that funnels down into a dust box. Be sure to let me know what you come up with.
What a nice saw! I'm so used to seeing all of the usual suspects, Dewalt, Bosch, Makita, Festool, etc. That is the first time I remember seeing a 12" Craftsman SCMS. Nice!
Great design!
How has no engineer at any of these large companies came up with a basic shroud like this? Plastic mold that clips onto the base, boom, done.
Very impressive! Too bad you didn't film the fabrication of the chute as that process must have been quite challenging.
Yeah, I made it before I started the YT channel. I'm sure I'll make others like it for other tools as I get them. Thanks for watching. :)
@@FishersShop Why wouldn't u make another 1 for video purposes? Could always give it away to the 100th commenter or whatever..
Wow great idea
VERY impressive. Bookmarking this video with the plan to make one of these myself. Thanks.
Works real well! Have fun building it!
Nice solution. Thank you for the test 👍👍👍
Problem with your saw is the position of the laser. Because of where it is positioned you can not have any kind of dust collection boot in behind the blade. That being said, your solution works very well. If you wanted to use a larger diameter hose from your Dust Deputy could you not come in from left side instead of behind the blade? Just a thought. Love your videos and your sense of humour.
Yeah that might work. Others have suggested adding in a Y-adapter and making another run to the standard dust port on top too.
Great idea, I am going to make one as well. However, I will make sure to pull the plug.
Do you have the plans for this?
One thing you should do is put a screen over the vacuum hole in the shroud so that it doesn't suck up the cedar stuff
Good idea!
Who cares if it sucks up the small cedar parts...it's a shop vac and a cyclone, that's what they do!
The shroud can be used as new model for the Dart Vader head in remake of Star wars.
I copied your design a bit, but i also use the standard dust port that you closed...so i use 2 dust collectors at the same time....Bassicaly it collects 95% now.
I'm trying to invent a way to use expanding foam to make a shroud
Great idea! Thanks for sharing
My pleasure! Thanks Tom!
Absolutely Brilliant solution, ⚙️🛠⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Not only good it’s so much less cumbersome than other solutions
Every little bit helps. I have thinking that a person could use the exhaust of the vac to guide the dust into a suction shroud like yours. Maybe just hook it up to where the suction is supposed to hook to the saw.
Interesting idea
would it improve the vacuum draw if the hole to your vacuum where lower, more in line with the kickout from the saw blade?
First, my friend, NO miter saw will ever allow you to draw anywhere near enough dust from the machine as long as they keep only providing 2” or smaller dust ports. 4-inch port is an absolute MUST for a power miter saw, period, end of story. So, connect up a 4-Inch hose, and one heck of a powerful dust collector. Then at least you’ll have enough suction to pull enough dust through that stupid 2-inch built-in port.
Yup! 2" hose 90 CFM 4" 350 which is the bear minimum requirement for dust collection on a table saw. The other issue is the fact that blade attack angle is always changing on the work depending on the cut as does the sawdust stream.
Superb! I must make one of these. Thanks for sharing!
My miter saw now has a dedicated cyclone separator and shop vac on it using this shroud. It really works wonderfully. But I had to learn to cut differently to get the best results. It seems that, for long cuts, I need to cut a small groove down the cut line before pulling the blade all the way back, dropping, and pushing it forward. This lets the dust travel down the groove right into the shroud. Otherwise, the dust goes everywhere because it's too far away from the shroud's suction. Thanks, Monty!
good job.
Great comparison. Thank you
I have the same saw . It would be great to have the plans for the pieces to cut and just put together. I'm INTERESTED ! Anyone have them ?
Very cool! I have not thought about this one but man what a great solution.!!!! I will have to try and make one for my miter saw! Great tip, thanks for posting!
Thanks Jb!
Please teach how to make one! Step by step please!
I THINK you might get better results if you put a splitter on the hose and add one to the saw's dust collection...
That's a great idea! I never thought of that. Thanks, terapiu!
Yw!
Terapiu, please elaborate. I don’t follow. ☹️
That seems to have done the Trick for Your Saw... But it appears to me that even with Black paint on your shroud the material is “OSB” and not “particle board”... LoL Good Work My Woodworking Friend... Greg
Yeah it was made from OSB. Did I say particle board in the video? Oops if I did. It was OSB junk.
Love the idea, but I have to ask. What kind of wood work do you do to keep such a clean and organized shop? I only wish mine looked that good! LOL.
Great video man.. pretty smart
Heya Fisher, old video, but did you ever try the Y adapter suggestion? That idea seems really interesting to me because you can remove the shroud and still get the partial original dust collection during your miters/bevels.
Nah... my solution worked real well and I didn't need to improve it any more. But I don't even have that saw any longer. Gotta come up with something as good for my new one though.
What a great piece of kit!!! Well thought through....Hurry up and patent it!!
A zero clearance insert works really well and especially with an under saw suction hood (planer hood upside down)....in getting the larger dust particles collected however all saws produce this incredibly microscopic 1 micron or less dust haze that is spewed out of the back of the blade towards the user....that's the super difficult one to collect.....
Without wanting to start some argument or involve weird conspiracy theories....for 25 yrs the manufacturers (and by an large they're often as ineffectual and confounding as each other - not counting the cloned copies of course 🤔😀) how is it that a fellow (and NO DISRESPECT INTENDED WHATSOEVER) can produce TWO significant dust reduction strategies in the space of one UA-cam channel and more than 20 different manufacturers over 25 years cannot?
Beggars belief that they're trying as hard as they can....wonder how long til they start allowing litigation in the US from end users regarding dust damage to lungs from poorly designed dust collection on mitre saws?
There has to be a better way for users who spend multi million dollars pa to get better products than wait until someone produces a UA-cam video.....
Some caveats...I'm no safety nazi, nor troll, yet I do smoke, (I understand smoke and dust) am not from USA and I have 3 mitre saws of which one is a Festool Kapex....(arguably the best saw on the planet....trust me, the other 2 ain't!!!).
Thanks for the comment! I was just getting tired of all the dust being thrown everywhere and tried to Macgyver something up to at least do a slightly better job. Turns out what I made has been pretty darn good. Don't get me wrong, it can certainly be improved. One viewer suggested instead of plugging up the top port, introduce a Y fitting in the shop vac hose and suck from both spots. That was a good idea that I haven't done just yet. The real downside to my solution though is that it doesn't work for miter or bevel cuts. Instead I have to take it out and then I have zero dust collection. One day I'll hopefully save up enough pennies for the Festool. :) Thanks for watching, cognitor900
Fisher's Shop The Kapex still doesn't eliminate the dust problems though it has gotten very good with a suitably powerful vacuum....I still can't get past the value of that at $1100 AUD.... why don't they make a really really REALLY good vac at $70, lose some money but get a truck load of buyers who will then gladly spend the typical Festool big dollars for a really premium tool plus dust solution? Don't get me wrong, every little tiny Festool thing is marvellously, excitingly engineered so that using anything weird limey coloured green becomes a real joy however getting the tool/dust argument consigned to the previous century I would have thought been a done deal...SIGH! However the German and Austrian manufacturers do pay attention.... a beautiful tablesaw owned by Marius (no doubt you already have..on UA-cam) Hornberger was "fixed" by this very clever fella who was then given a trip to their manufacturing plant to see his hack being made into the redesign of that saw.... wonderful example of the power of the new age of media and a mature approach to manufacturing.... they read the forums, watch UA-cam AND respond without any of the ego & bs that non-euro manufacturers carry on with...
However, thanks for the quick reply and all hale your terrific contributions to a deadly topic...
nice video, I'm curious how well it collects dust with cutting a wider board. That saw can handle some bigger boards. how well does it collect when you have a larger piece with the blade fully extended?
Does just fine. The trick is to cut a shallow kerf to allow the dust to travel in as you pull the blade out. Then drop it down and push forward in increments.
I've never seen a miter saw that had decent dust collection. And the dust bags that come with the saws are a joke!! I believe that the dust collection bags that come with miter saws are pre-filled with about 3 tablespoons of sawdust. Because that is all that is EVER collected!! I'll have to try your set up. Seems like it works very well and it beats blowing it in my neighbors open window.
Haha! Couldn't agree more! The only downfall of my solution is having to take it out for miter cuts. But for 90-degree cross-cuts, it works wonderfully! For wide pieces, I found I have to make a shallow pass first to create a channel for the sawdust to go. Then I start with the blade extended out and push in, taking deeper passes. The cuts take a little longer, but virtually no dust at all.
Do you have plans for the shroud?
Would it help to have this section at the bottom of your box so that the draw is going up is inside the hose instead of inside the box
You would have another serious improvement if you make a Zero clearance Throat plate on the table of your saw!
Nice! I have that same saw. It's a good saw but dust collection sucks...pun intended.
my vacuum sucks so bad ...... it blows.
why dont you use the dust duck hat on the saw at the same time
What do you have against your space bar??
I like it but just a thought. Why not rig up a y for the hose and then also use the small opening on the saw as well or leave the bag on as opposed to making the plug
A Y-adapter will essentially split the suction power in half and I've discovered there's VERY little saw dust that goes up and out that top port. So I just figured one full-power suction location at the bottom would be best. But run some experiments... I could be wrong.
Nice work. A problem with dust collection with this much static pressure on a mitre saw i that it suck up mall off cuts which can then cause blade and arbour bending kick backs when the piece jams between the fence and the blade. Have you experienced this?
Nope, not yet thankfully
Love it, subscribed #340
Thank's for subbing, Max! Glad to have you here. :)
It’s really unfortunate that you didn’t show us how you built your shroud. It’s true that shrouds will vary depending upon the model of saw; however, some guidance would be helpful. And it’s difficult to see how your shroud is made and assembled, because it’s already painted a flat black.
Thanks for your efforts and for giving me some fuel for thought.
Understood. I only put this video together because someone requested a closer look at it. I had already had this built for quite sometime prior to filming it. But I used cardboard first to find the right shapes and then traced them onto plywood.
Do you have drawings of the dust hood? Hopefully with dimensions
I don't, Jason. Sorry! I made this little dust shroud before I really started filming things for UA-cam. I made it on the fly so I just pieced things together until it seemed to work. Honestly, you probably wouldn't want to make it according to dimensions anyway since there may be small variations from saw to saw. Your best bet would be to use cardboard to get the right shape and then trace it onto wood pieces. Best of luck!
Fisher's Shop thanks for the reply... I actually have the exact same saw as yours
Unrelated question, I always se people using air hoses like you showed in this video, or for brad nailers . Are they hooked up to air compressors that just get shut off for the video? I’m totally new to woodworking so please excuse me if it’s a dumb question.
Air compressors only turn on when the tank falls beneath a certain threshold. That means once it's full, you can use it for a while before it turns on and makes all that noise.
Fisher's Shop Thanks. what size compressor would you suggest for a small shop .... maybe for a brad nailer and compressed air hose like you showed? Appreciate your video and am subbed.
@@bobm6423 Just a little pancake compressor would be more than enough.
Fisher's Shop ok, thanks . I have a looong way to go in setting up my shop.
Thanks Bob Manizza, I have wondered the same thing.
Any rough dimensions or sketchup??? for the Dust shroud? I have the same saw
Sorry, this pre-dates my SketchUp days. I literally pulled stuff out of the scrap box, held it up to the fence, and traced it. Lots of trial and error until I got it to fit.
It's easier to take dimensions from an existing product to make a sketchup file. I'd be interested in it as well.
Fisher's Shop
I am interested in the complete dust collector system that you have including the Dust Shroud, I have a Small Black & Decker
What about mitre and bevel cuts? I do a LOT of those
Yeah, that's a different ball game. Currently I don't have anything for miter and bevel cuts since I don't do them all that often. When I do, I have to remove the shroud and spray sawdust everywhere. :( It's a nuisance but for now that's what I gotta do.
S O L !!
7:56 the duct tape is no good. The saw won't be able to shed the dust that gets in there and it will be build up. You are better off Y'ing off your vacuum hose to simultaneously suck from your shroud AND the original extraction port.
Well it's been over a year or so and don't have any dust build up on the tape. But Y'ing off the hose is a good idea but sacrifices a bit of suction power down where it really counts.
@@FishersShop I think u would b fine without the tape because like u said if the power of the blade pushed any dust up there it would fall back down and get sucked into ur dust collector anyways.
put a piece of mesh or something over the dust collector to not suck in pieces of wood
Not a bad idea. Thanks, Taran
@@FishersShop anytime
Five stars
Not being able to cut a miter on a miter saw is a pretty big design flaw.
I wouldn't call it a flaw, just a limitation. With as well as it works, I'm happy to have to take it off for the few miters that I cut.
That exposed insulation drives me nuts... great idea with the shroud
I think you spent more time improving the dust collection on your miter saw here than the team of “design engineers” who made the saw. I’ve had Hitachi, DeWalt, Porter Cable and all were like yours. A friend has a Ryobi and it’s even worse. It catches NOTHING. The only brand that seems to invest any time in real dust collection on their tools is Festool, but they are crazy overpriced even for professionals. My Grizzly cabinet saw is real bad too. There is a shroud around the blade that catches about .002% of the dust created. The rest seems directed up at my face. I have a big 5 hp cyclone dust collector hooked up to all of them and the only tools that seem to have decent dust collection are my 8” jointer and my big planer. Both create massive amounts of dust.
Yeah, it makes me wonder what the designers think their saws are being used for? If the majority of their demographic are contractors that are using their saws outdoors, then I guess it's not a big deal but I think the lion's share of the users are small shop woodworkers that really need good dust collection. Not sure why all of them dropped the ball on this.
can you make those for all miter saw brands? I would like to make one for my saw!
Of course. You just gotta piece it together so that it fits your saw... that's all I did.
You need a credit card to cut a line.
First mistake, you bought a Craftsman. Poor dust collection design.
Patent that baby and make some $$$.