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I recently bought a new miter saw (Bosch Axial Glide) and have been a little disappointed with the dust collection that it had. It was still vastly superior to the stock dust collection I've experienced on other saws, but I guess I was just hoping for more. I decided to perform an experiment and compare 3 common solutions to the problem followed up with my own custom designed dust shroud. In this video you get to see just how effective each solution is at capturing dust as well as whether or not my creation is any better. It's a fun little experiment that has some surprising results!
A refreshingly nice video with humor and excellent videography!
Thank you. :)
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Exactly, just discovered thus channel today, quite humorous yet tons of really good stuff
Loved it - "instantly make my mistakes permanent" great 🤣🤣🤣
Yes!! lol
Recently had a thought - I know, that’s a surprise! I was thinking about your solution to miter saw dust collection, and how it is limited to 90 degrees. What if the sides (behind the fence) angled back, and the whole assembly was attached to the cutting head. In theory, it could rotate with the cutting head and blade, collecting dust at different angles.
A few factors that could be issues: how to attach the assembly (I think of it as a ‘backstop’ dust port) to the cutting head; the sides would probably need to be pretty thin; where to attach the hose; that low semicircular metal component behind the fence would likely be in the way.
I’ve been busy with other things, but thought I’d pass the idea along before I forget what it was. And you’re much better at prototyping such things.
Best wishes and stay safe!
Gluing it to the saw was inspired. Thanks for the outtakes and the embedded humour and the final result. Great stuff.
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Dude, this is a great solution for 90 degrees! Well done!
Thanks Brad! 😀
@@FishersShop what about angles?
@@gurshaanbasra3639 watch the video
@@christianscustoms6429 sorry I don't know why I ever wrote the comment
"i borrowed a scale from my neighbours meth lab" literally dying! i breathed in a mouthfull of pepsi xD
...I spewed my Coors light across the table.
At least you only " breathed in your Pepsi", instead of having "snorted your Coke".
love it!
he clearly didn't teach you about grams. . . js and for me, it was the end of my coffee, stuff is difficult to get off the keyboard. . .
I spewed coffee on my computer screen and the glasses I was wearing!
Man I've seen some huge dust collection cabinets that almost fully enclose the back half of the saw. Really only good for a permanent mount and a non portable saw. In any case, the difference in massive amounts of material and time would only serve to close that 4% gap in collection. Your little doodad takes the cake. Simple, cheap, removable, and it allows the saw to remain portable. Nicely finnessed solution buddy. Good on Ya!
You got it exactly Stephan! Thanks!
As a retired mechanical tech, I love the weighing test. Best way to evaluate your different configurations.
Love the out takes at the end, thought I was looking in a mirror!
Just watched this video again. I have to say, my wife and I both really enjoy your sense of humor! It’s good to get reminded every so often that we need to keep things in perspective.
For my part, I’m still trying to get organized, the workshop was too small, moved into the garage and it is currently overflowing with too much “stuff”, tools, stands, cabinets, benches, tables, etc. And of course, trying to get better dust collection, more wood storage, properly aligned tools that will cut square, or straight. I know, don’t blame the tool. But seriously, some tools are ridiculously difficult to align. And they refuse to stay aligned.
Ah well, as the saying goes, it keeps me off the street corner. Perspective! We have to be able to laugh at ourselves. When we lose that, we’re in serious trouble.
God bless, take of yourselves, stay safe!
Thanks, Joe! Glad you're liking the vids
Fantastic idea that works brilliantly !!! Thanks for taking the time to design this. I have been looking for a way of controlling the dust extraction from my Revolution rage-s 255 mitre saw and with your idea i tweaked it to fit and the results are brilliant. Thank you
Glad I could help!
I use my table saw as a work station all the time. I know some people use newspaper or craft paper to help protect it from glue and such but I use a large piece of heavy vinyl I got at the fabric department in Walmart. For what it is, I don't think it can be beat. It's water proof and resistant to most finishes and solvents I use. Wood glue doesn't even stick to it all that well so it can be peeled off after it dries. I've had it for more than ten years and it was worth every penny.
Nice tip
Your videos, your craftsmanship, and your sense of humor are terrific!
Thanks so much. :)
Just came across this video, great solution without over-engineering the whole thing. Really enjoyed using compressed air to blow dust all over the shop to get ready for testing dust collection ideas. Whoever said irony was dead?!
Yeah, haha
3:50 “Using a square I can hold things at 90° and then I hit it with some activator to instantly make all my mistakes permanent”
5:30 “. . . and then proceeded to get glue all over my table saw”
6:18 “ . . . and then after several years of filing I was able to turn that circle into an oval“
Lol 😂
LOVE your straight faced humor and how you emphasize your mistakes!
Reminds us all that we're not the only ones who have an oops moment......
Oh yea, lotta good info too, thanks!
Your videos are always educational, enjoyable and entertaining. I can see myself in all of your "out takes!" Thanks for all you do for all of us!
Thanks, Frank!
LOL - such a smooth presentation...Then there's that bit at the end that reminds me more of what I sound like during my least proud moments. Cool experiment. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A woodworker with a sense of humour doing a scientific project. Well done mate. Now I know I'm not alone....
My thoughts too John, there are some more woodwork and tool nerds!
*Bandsaws tension tip* : I have a small strip of card with "Tension!" Written on it, and a small magnet glued to the reverse. When I release the tension of the blade I pop this reminder on the blade; now I never forget to tension. When in use you can stick your reminder to the tensioner handle for safe keeping - HTH
It’s 9:40pm on Saturday night. I’m watching a guy weigh sawdust on UA-cam.
The realization just hit me! ;)
Are you his neighbor? Did he bring back your scale?
@@impactajuvenile 🤣🤣🤣
Dude! Me too!
What else can you do during quarantine? I've watched the entire Big Bang Theory series 10 times.
Perfect mix of solid research, great low-key sense of humor, and thorough expertise. I didn't use a shop vac with my mitre saw when I used in my living room. You will understand I spent several hours more cleaning than doing the actual cuts haha
Hah, I'd imagine so!
I just upgraded to the same model Bosch a few months ago. Love it and I might try your dust boot to see if I can screw it up more than I have with my failed attempts at different ones.👍🏼
Good job and video. No stupid music. I like your good sense of humor during the video. The out-take mistakes ---- been there and probably done them one time or another (more than once), especially not turning on my dust collector. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
LOL! "Instantly male all my mistakespermanent"!!! I enjoy your projects and your dry sense of humor.
Hehe, thanks Kevin
I like his "borrowed the neighbors scale from their meth lab" bit
I love the way you show the mishaps at the end. This proves you are brave and human . Thank you from John.
Thanks for watching!
Exactly my problem. Same saw, sam dust problem. Thx for the idea 👍🏻
Drew is the best at humor AND good advice. Other channels you only get one or the other, never both.
I love your videos, you are naturally funny but approach things in a sensible way, the actual objective method used is really good especially as you finish with a percentage value of the actual timber removed by the cut. The out takes are brilliant and we will all recognise ourselves in them!
Thanks, Paul! Glad you liked it!
I love this video! Thanks so much for sharing. I happen to have the exact saw you do, so it really caught my attention; AND I've tried a couple other ways to implement dust collection to no avail. Well, I took your idea, widened it quite a bit so that it could take on 45 deg cuts, attached a 6" port for my dust collector, and solved a 4 year problem of never being able to catch dust on my chop saw!
Now that it's built and working wonderfully, I don't see why chop saw companies aren't doing this. Their dust collection is atrocious. I realized you measured ~75% collection for their port, but if you are in the business of keeping an inside shop clean and healthy, 75% is nothing. Every tool in the shop needs to be around 95% or above. And this style collection is an easy prefabbed plastic mold that could attach underneath (where you have yours) with an optional 2", 4", or 6" connection depending on your vacuum.
Thanks, Dan! Glad it worked out for ya!!
While watching, I was like, "He's lucky he isn't gluing that box to the table of the mitre saw." And then came the out-takes! 😂
I thought, "I'd have glued it to the saw if I tried that." Glad I'm not alone
I love watching "myself" at the end. Wow, I'm not the only one....... Thanks for the good video. I'll try mine tomorrow.
Awesome, have fun!
Loved the last outtake. Watching you using the CA glue throughout this video I kept thinking "What skill this man has because I would have surely glued pieces to my saw doing it that way". Haha, I was right!!!!
Hi, I followed this idea with some changes for my particular mitre saw ( Evolution, UK ) and I was pleasantly surprised just how effective it was. You still get some of the spread of cuttings, but nothing like it was. You don't see too much with the shop vac plugged in, it sort of goes away, but you are aware of less dust.. Ran last week, with the vac off, and suddenly realized how much sawdust it was collecting. It was totally packed full when I went to it. Its stopping a huge amount, not all, but very impressive what is going in there. The only challenge is that I had already build a big hood , but with this around you do wonder. Thank you brilliant idea, and so simple to do.
Awesome, glad it helped!
Absolutely - perfect combination of information and (really clever) entertaining dialog. Well done!
I appreciate your outtakes following the videos. It relieves the pressure on myself to be perfect, knowing the master makes occasional errors as well. You do great work! Take care.
Thanks a bunch!
I finally made this! I didn't go any tests beforehand but I don't think my default dust bag is anywhere close to 77% efficiency. It's really awful. The shroud seems to control at least 80%, and there are some small gaps I need to fill that I'm sure will make it even better. Overall EXTREMELY happy how this has turned out.
Glad it worked out for ya, Adam!
i'm so happy i'm not the only one that messes up more then i fix. thank you it was very informative
Glad it helped!
I came here for the woodworking, and I am staying for the jokes. Love your sense of humor. 👍😜
Sadly refreshing that other people are guilty of serious self ridicule when they make mistakes. Very good vid!
I love my bag. It lets me have the other 33% to stand on comfortably all day and as an atmospheric woodshop vignette it hides a lot more than my mistakes.
The out takes were the best. Just proves you're a good person able to laugh at yourself. That's real world . Good job on the dust collector.
Thanks, Tex
OMG thanks for bloopers. As soon as I saw "glued it to the saw" I LOL pretty hard. Thanks for sharing your pain.
As somebody who had been testing a lot of solutions, I'd love to see your take on bandsaw dust collection. They may be more unruly than miters.
Thank you very much. I have the same saw (including the never used hold down clamp) and so I will be using your design. I look forward to much less dust, but mostly, it's nice to find a use for the clamp.
Glad it was helpful!
Great idea and solid outcome. Thank You for the videos and your commentary is awesome.
Very scientific approach to a common problem. You started with a reasonably good collection of dust with the standard setup. My Metabo 254 didn't collect anything in the supplied dustbag. I didn't want to limit the miter saw angles, so I ended up with a box over the complete saw with cut-outs to ensure the angle movements.
I should've watch this just a bit earlier, cuz I sent my entire day making my stupid version of dust collect box which seems to not working at all. And I have to say that the mathmatical approach that you have done is by far the most impressive(persuasive) on woodworking video. Amazing job man.
Thanks a bunch! Glad you liked it
Your out takes increased my self-esteem 100%. Thanks for being human. Good job.
I really enjoy the bloopers...we all make them, and they all sound the same! :)
A very good solution. I have been working with dust exstraction proffesionally, and I guest that the increase is mainly fine dust. The dust that is irritating and very dangerous. Well done and thank you for sharing. Lars Rosenquist, Sweden
Thanks for the excellent explanation and the outtakes! They show you make the same dumb mistakes as the rest of us.
Hello again! Finally got my two miter saws pretty well aligned. About to turn one over to my son.
Recently picked up a 2HP HF dust collector, getting ready to connect it to the sliding miter saw, then a Radial Arm Saw, and eventually other tools. So I decided to review this video yet again, and noticed a couple things.
1) Ring’s Workshop and Patriot DIY have what I think of as “backstop” solutions VERY, VERY similar to yours.
2) However, they also still connect to the stock dust port.
Just thought you might be interested. It could get your solution that little bit closer to perfect.
Best wishes! Stay safe!
"instantly make all my mistakes permanent"... that and the Turretts episode at the end reveals a kindred spirit. New Sub!
Hey Drew, the comments section is working for me again! Based on your work with this, I made something sorta similar for my miter saw and learned a couple of things...one... this works! Two... a shop vac hooked up to 2.5 inch dust hose has enough power to pull 6 feet of vacuum cleaner hose into it! I had a heck of a time getting it back out! Thanks for what you do and the humor you do it with.
Haha, nice! :)
Almost spit my drink everywhere when he said "borrowed it from my neighbor's Meth lab" lol!
My friend, you have great talent for both woodworking and humor. Very gifted. Please consider writing as another Avenue to contribute, if you haven’t done so. The M&M analogy is a great one....Best to you
Thanks! :)
I love the out takes. It’s so “true to life!”
Thanks for including the outtakes! Makes me feel far less silly for all the gaffs I make during any build or project.
“I quickly hit it with some CA activator to instantly make my mistakes permanent.” LOL. Hilarious! Love it!
Very good results and quite enlightening.
Suggestion for remedy the first outtake: tie a knot in the end of your power cord then put the knot/loop over the quick-release for the tension. When you go to plug the saw in, tension the blade take the cord off the lever, plug it in and get to work. When done unplug it, put the knot/loop on the tension lever, release the tension and get a beverage to celebrate such a clever idea ;)
This is the best video about dust collection ever!
I love watching your videos. I am almost finished with my shop which took 4 years just to mod my tool stations. I have a similar saw mounted on a cart that I built. I think of it more as a sawdust spray unit than a miter saw. I pick which area of my shop that I want covered with sawdust, and just move the cart to that spot. I can cover anything! Thanks for sharing a good solution!
Woodworking, science, math, and humor!?! Great video, keep it up.
9:14 Not only did you vastly improve the efficiency of the dust collection, you managed to transform the saw into a left AND right handed machine. Bravo Drew!
Love the build, love the humor, love the outtakes. Perfect :)
Man, what a great video.
Thanks for the outtakes. It's seldom that we get to see that side of making, so it can be frustrating when you're just starting out on your journey that you can't replicate the flawlessness of a video.
I have the exact same saw and this collection issue has been driving me insane for years. I now have a solution! Thank you so much for allowing us to pick your brain, subbed for more videos about your neighbors meth lab!
To get a more intuitive measure of improvement in dust collection, start with your 88% efficient "VAC ONLY", which is losing 12% of the sawdust material, and then compare with your custom "NEW DUST SHIELD", which at 96% efficient is losing only 4% (!!) of the sawdust. Your improvement is (12 - 4 )/12 = 2/3, or 66.7% of the dust that would have escaped, kept out of the rest of your shop and your lungs. And your hair. Et cetera. For straight cuts, but as you say, that's a lot of cuts. Nice!
The outtakes are priceless. They sound like me when I don't pay attention. 😂
Science! I love how you weighed the sawdust, then calculated/weighed the equivalent wood to determine efficiency. And I enjoyed your humor, too. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Honestly, I wasn't particularly excited about the topic, but your interesting and entertaining approach kept me watching to the very end. Great job - thanks for taking the time to make quality content.
Even better.
Your solution pollutes your surroundings with that 4% loss, the duct tape pimped stock solution is the next best and looses 8%. You reduced your air dirt by 50 percent, or 66 if compared to the plain stock version. That does not need some adding up over time. it improves the situation instantly.
Thanks for the nicely made production.
"I instantly make all my mistakes permanent." I could not stop laughing 🤣😂
I was cracking up at that too.
Great idea and I love your "over-thinking" every detail. The honesty of the outtakes is probably my favorite part as they reflect the everyday realities of life in the shop!
Oh man, glad I'm not alone!😧 No joke.
I've literally gotten an hour & a half into a project. Only to realize...I've just spent ALL that time making: the stand, the jig, or the made-up contraption (of which was only supposed to take 10 mins. to build)...
But was ONLY intended to make the ORIGINAL job easier!! 😧
Seriously tho... I've got issues.🙄 Lmao
thank you for this. Mine has to be the dustiest tool in my garage
making me lmao like a baby after 76 years makes my woodworking go much much smoother, thanks for sharing
This looks great (and saved to my "shop" playlist), but there's one solution you didn't test, and that is the "little bandshell" completely surrounding the saw. Those might work better with a large volume dust collector, so maybe the ultimate solution is to have both (considering diminishing returns, etc., etc., etc.)
Great humor! Responding after viewing this video several times. After suffering through two Harbor Freight miter saws I bought a Dewalt DWS780. The dust collection by the bag on yours is far better than the Dewalt. Fortunately, I think your design is 100% applicable to my saw. Building one soon. Thanks!
Awesome! I hope it works out for ya!
Your outtakes sound like they were recorded in my shop!
THERE IS NOTHING DUMB ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING IN YOUR MIND AND THEN PRODUCE IT. I AM A TOOL AND DIEMAKER AND A CNC PROGRAMMER AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS MOST OF MY LIFE. NEVER CUT IT DOWN IT IS AA GIFT TO HAVE A MIND THAT CAN DO THIS
Thanks Kenneth!
“I borrowed the scale from my neighbors meth lab”. I subbed 😂
Gold!
Wish he would bring it back now, got some "customers" waiting..... :)
Reggie Warner 😂😂
Same...
This is how instructional videos should be done. Humor, knowledge, and the results of what your trying to accomplish.. great job and I'll be using your idea for dust collection.
I was surprised that the standard bag everyone throws out is actually 77% effective to begin with.
Trust me it's only that effective when it's empty, as it fills the percentages go way down but you're right "how do they get the caramel in the chocolate bar?"🤔
Yes it does but it also then takes up more real estate on the bench it is mounted to. When I built my cut bench for the slider, vacum sucks from the bottom and I made it 12ft to the left of the blade and 4 ft to the right and tall enough to roll my workbench/assembly table underneath out of the way when I need room for finishing. The space between the wall and the mitersaw fence is perfect for 12x18 storage boxes for screws and hardware items and I added 2 4ft x 9" lids with piano hinges for a 4.5 inch tall x 20 inch deep storage area under the trays. By setting it up this way I gained alot of storage in the 4 drawers I have under my portable workbench.
On the Ryobi 12" sliding mitre saw, it's about -20% effective.
@@InstinctBassin Garry not Linda. Any piece of Ryobi stuff is only 20% effective! I bought one and after 2 days of trying to get it to cut the last 1/4" of a board without actually filing off the stop or drilling new mounting holes for the fence and get some kind of efficiency out of the chip collection chute I took it back. Not my first piece of poorly made Ryobi equipment but definitely my last.
@@InstinctBassin -20% lol
I added a piece of paper with a magnet to my bandsaw and wrote “Tension” on it. When I take the tension off the blade I put that in the way so I don’t forget. It also reminds me to take the tension off when I’m done for the day. Simple but works like a charm.
I would write "idiot" on my piece of paper.
Drew, there was a mistake in your measurement methodology...your dust collection is wayyyy better than you calculated! Assuming you're using 20lb paper, the sheet of paper weighs 0.64oz (20lbs divided by 500 sheets). This means that the mass of the paper is a significant portion of your dust measurement. It needs to be subtracted before finding the percent of dust that you collected. If you subtract the 0.64oz from each measurement then find the percentage, you see that there's a significant difference in the dust collection percentages: 25% for bag, 61% for Vac only, 75% for Duct tape mod, 86% for your solution.
There is actually a frame where you can see the weight of a piece of the paper that was used, it's .18oz (OMG, what a cheapskate!). I saw that I've commented the nearly the same thing, I got measurements of 71%, 85%, 91%, 95%; respective to the order presented in the video.
He put the half inch block on a sheet of paper on the scales so the weights are all relative.
Joe S but with 5 cuts he would need 5 sheets of paper for it to truly be equal.
I like your videos a lot. I know this is an old one. I almost gave up on your experiment until the very end when you found the ratio between the dust and whole wood segment. Science!
Great video and well done. Wish more people put in the outtakes...make it more realistic.
has to be one of the most entertaining wood channels on YT. Giving Shaun Boyd a run for his money - bravo!
You nerded out on this video.
I watched the whole thing.
Thanks for the out takes - shows me what to watch out for.
Your funny, think I will try that with my saw since I have the same one. Keep up the funny informative videos. Thanks.
Your comments are awesome -- the outtakes are even better. Thank you for including those!
GREAT video! I love the scientific approach! Also.. very funny:
03:54 "Then I hit with activator to instantly make all my mistakes permanent..."
07:34 " I borrowed the scale from my neighbors meth lab..."
Very enjoyably paced video with ideal commentary. (I just heard the neighbor's scale remark. That adds bonus points to your grade)
Amazing idea!
Nice to see a mitersaw dust collection scheme that actually works well. Always enjoyable banter too. Thanks!!
Well I loved your ideal of taking plywood from your neighbors dog after they went to work and use his scale from his meth house lmbo love your videos keep up the routine you make my toes ache with all the laughter and my brain starts to hurt as well
Yep, "disassembling the neighbors dog house after they went to work" was the one I subbed with!! Fabulous sense of humor, so much fun :-)
While I'm sure I'll never get around to actually building one of these ingenious gadgets for myself, I've re-watched the video at least a dozen times just for the laughs! Love your sense of humor!!!
"I just glued it to the saw...stupid idiot" hahahaha something I would do and say for sure
OMG thank you for the out-takes at the end of the video. Gluing the attachment to your miter saw made my day. Its good to know that I am not the only one whose projects don't always go smoothly. Cheers ! :)