The Amazing .22 Short Revisited
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- After reading several requests in regards to the .22 Short video I made a few years ago, I decided to revisit this fine little cartridge. I will be going over the performance and long history of the .22 short in brief detail. Testing a few different loadings and terminal impact are also covered in this video. If you are interested in the .22 rimfire, then this will be an enjoyable video for you.
When I first started shooting, I used Winchester Super X shorts, in the yellow box, now get this, at summer camp. 1960 and 1961. I'd buy a box every day and a target and spend almost all day shooting that one target. By the end of two weeks I could put almost all 50 shots through one hole on the bullseye. It was a basketball camp and to this day I still can't play basketball.
So, there is a degree of wisdom in making it easy for inner city kids to have access to basketballs!! ;-)
I love shooting the 22 short and until I became an adult I seldom shot LR cartridges, as a boy in the late 50’s and early 60’s I bought 22 short Winchester for a penny each and could buy a nickel or dimes worth as my allowance was a quarter twice a month when my dad got paid until I got my first job when I was 11 working sacking groceries for 50 cents an hour and I was rolling in the dough working 15 hours a week and could buy my shells a box at a time, my Winchester 62A would eat those shorts right up and still will today
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
In the 30s there was a bounty on skunks and magpies in our area. My dad said as a kid he would shoot enough of them to be able to buy another box of ammo. That is how he kept his .22 fed. It was an old Springfield single shot. He said he shot so many .22 shorts that he couldn't chamber longs anymore until he cleaned out the carbon ring.
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
Sad but true
My Dad in the late 20's and early 30's shot only shorts out of the family 22(cheapest). He shot a number of critters for bounty and food for the family. He said shorts were 11 cents a box and sold individually also.
@@FrankCouch1847 what r u saying shipmate nein shipmate nein
When I was a teenager growing up in the 1960's 22 shorts were very common and priced less than 22 LR. Today 22 shorts, if you can find them, are always priced higher than 22 LR. Back then you could walk into any hardware store or general store and buy 22 ammo.
I remember the UtoteM at the end of my street selling some ammo like .22 and shotgun shells.
In the 50s we used Remington Rockets , 22 shorts 15 grain slintered iron bullets, if you hit something solid the would disintegrate. They came in a package of 28 rounds for 28 cents. They were used in shooting galleries , velocity’s about 1500 fps. Really good rabbit getters.
My grandfather used to use those CB on chipmunks at his bird feeders as they wouldn't put holes in his feeders. This was in the 70's when he was in his 60's (which I am now kicking the door in). He kept shooting until in his 90's. The .22 short is a great small game cartridge indeed, but lately I have been using these new PCP air rifles which are putting out nearly, if not as much, power! That being said I still do shoot the shorts.
I have a 22 short rifle that I bought at an Estate sale, It was used heavily and has its share of wear and tear, but it still is a straight shooter. It’s amazing to see a rifle that will NOT accept .22lr or .22long and shoots like a champ. Easily one of my favorites even though it is a second hand tool.
One of the many worrisome point regarding squirrel hunting has been the fact that when you shoot at a squirrel on a tree, the elevation means the bullet can travel fairly far and go clean through a squirrel, especially the long rifle high velocity. I've often worried about that. Perhaps the 22 short is the answer
Pellet gun.
I remember many of those. I always thought the yellow and red Super X boxes by Western were pretty. I never bought many 22 shorts but I remember buying the red box of Federal Hi-Power.
Back about 1978 I knew a fellow who had a small business and had to carry cash to the bank once a week. Well one day he said he finally bought a gun to carry with his deposit. It was the cutest gun I ever saw. He pulled out a tiny but very well made Beretta automatic that shot 22shorts exclusively. Such a cute little gun.
Cumberland outdoorsman, I do believe I have watched this at least 5 times. One of your best videos.👍👍👍🇺🇸🙏🏽✌🏻
You may have turned me into a 22 short convert. Thank you. It's obvious you went to a lot of work and effort to make that video. They were very informative. We appreciate it !
I appreciate you as well. 😊
From the time I was about 10 years old till I was 15 I carried an old single shot, open sight Remington bolt action .22 through hundreds of miles of woods with a pocket of .22 shorts.
My Dad always said there must be 100 lbs of lead in the creek banks that ran along our property.
It's a shame kids have so much to worry and be afraid of, my biggest worry was to get Mom to bring me into town so I could buy more shells at the Western Auto. I think they were about .35 cents a box.
Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for bring us back to the importance of the 22 short . It’s usefulness marksmanship and training. They work great in a S&W K22 Target masterpiece or a Ruger bear cat or Ruger Super Single Six . Let us not forget all the bolt action rifles and other fun rifles that are now forgotten about, because of video games😮
In this video I incorrectly named the Union Metallic Cartridge Company as "United M.C.C.". I stand corrected.
Noticed that strait away.
But it is your program, and who am I to scold the " master"?
Thank you for all you do, for the shooting community, and our beloved second amendment!!!!!
..I remember going to our local 'Big Box' store in NJ, after Sunday Mass to buy a couple boxes of 22 short forv50 cents each..yeah..I'm old...the short was popular when tube fed rifles were more common...
Winchester once made a very fancy Schuetzen single shot competition rifle in .22 short. It was a popular target round. I have a Winchester low wall single shot known as a Winder musket in .22 short, a 9 lb. Gun.
Agreed, I love the 22 short!
The .22 Short is truly amazing. I used to not give them a second thought, but when I saw you picking off squirrels in your earlier videos, I gave them a try. Nothing shabby about them. I picked up a brick of the CCI Short hollow points. Good content that really exposes the performance of this little round. I’ve got some of the little tiny CB rounds around here somewhere, if they turn up I am going to see what they can do. An old friend gave them to me over 40 years ago, no telling how old they are.
I never really tested those tiny rounds, but maybe I can use them in another video? I wish I knew if they are still in production.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsmanRWS and a couple others make bb and cub caps still
One day about Thirty years ago. I had 5 squirrels chasing each other. They were running down the phone lines. Pole to pole down the line to the tree jumping on my house. Thud, thud, thud, thud, thud down the line. I worked nights back then and I wasn't Happy. I have a 39A and put to use with the Acorn CB . This was in the middle of the city. I took out 4 of the 5. They are sub-sonic. My ex father in-law really enjoyed them. @@CumberlandOutdoorsman
Thanks again Cumberland Outdoors, I totally agree with you last couple of statements. They are still viable for those pestle critters.👍👍👍🙏🏽🙂✌🏻🇺🇸
Another awesome video in your .22 series !!! Thanks so much for the superb quality and informative video !!! 😁🇺🇸😁🇺🇸
Excellent video, thank you. I love reading the comments of people buying and shooting shorts as kids to.
I remember alot of these 22 shorts . I also remember going to Kmart that you could buy ammo and some of the other stores . Those days are gone now .
I enjoyed this one very much, and all the .22 stuff you do. But an extra thanks for demoing the cb caps. Very cool.
Those are some interesting little rounds. I wish they were still being made.
The short HP makes a nice KA...POP when they hit a busy tail coming out of a Marlin 39A with its long barrel. There's nothing as soothing as being in a white oak flat at day break with a light fog in the tops of the trees and me God and my 22.
Great Video Sir ! I used the .22 short on a northern ( Canada)trapline for years. They worked well without a lot of fur damage. I read that those cartridges marked ," Kleenbore " Had powdered glass mixed with the priming . They apparently worked well to reduce fowling with the old types of powder used in those days.
That's interesting. Thanks for the info.
Great info on the shorts. Do use the CCI shorts but wish other ammo companies produced also. Thanks another hit.
Few people know that the first .22 rimfire cartridge was the short. LR came later. The short was introduced as a self defense round in 1857 for a S&W revolver.
And yes, the short is a fun and useful round.
I use the CCI Shorts HP on varmints up to large foxes, very effectively!! I wouldn’t hesitate using them on a small coyote if he were within 25 yards. I’ve been VERY impressed with em! They were instrumental in learning my granddaughter on hunting. Not that Long Rifle isn’t great also but the Shorts just don’t have hardly any report out of my 24” barrel. When we target shoot they know the steel targets just as hard as many .22LR
Thank you for this series on the 22, I have found it quite informative.
I recall back in the Fabulous Fifties, shorts and longs were more popular than they are today. That was because they were cheaper. Whilst a box of fifty long rifles would be up in the 90 plus cent range, longs would be down in the 70 cent range and shorts were down in the high fifties to somewhere in the sixties. In these modern times, long rifles are cheaper, so why bother with a lesser cartridge at a higher price? Shorts especially are likely to balk in most bolt action repeaters. If you want less noise, just go with standard velocity or target loads. Long barrles help too.
Nice demonstration. Thank you.
Thanks for the video and great info my friend
I love those tiny .22 rounds
Have a few myself from years ago
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. As a youngster growing up on a small, poor Southern farm, one of the best Christmas memories I recall is receiving my own box of Federal 22 shorts in my stocking. Like many back then, money was very tight, and when dad would allow me to use his old Remington single shot 22, I could only have 2 or 3 bullets from his single box of bullets. Hunting small game on the farm and neighbors' woodlands helped supplement our meager meat rations and would add a squirrel or two or a rabbit to the stew pot. If I missed, most likely, it would be an all veggie supper again.
Occasionally, I would earn enough money from choirs through neighbors and relatives that I could buy a 50 cent box of 22 short HP's from the local dollar store or Western Auto. Eventually, I learned to become a fairly decent shot with the old single shot, and as the years went by and I became a teen, I worked summer jobs for minimum wage and bought a brand new Remington 572 for around $69. I cannot imagine how many thousands of 22 shorts and LR's I shot through that rifle and how many game animals it took. Not satisfied, by around my 20th birthday and making a decent factory wage, I bought a Remington 581 bolt rifle and 3x9 scope that is still with me these many decades later. It was a squirrel sniper with 22 shorts and 22LR standard velocities, and for a time, there was a fishing lure company who paid 10 cents a squirrel tail, sometimes 15 cents for fox squirrel tails, and at the end of the season, I would ship off scores of tails to them. Usually, the money I made off those tails supplied me with hunting ammo for many years.
Most of my family and friends are gone now, but the memories of all those boxes of 22 shorts and hunting times still remain. It is rather sad to know so many of the old companies no longer make these, for it was with these old bullets so many of us cut our teeth on small game hunting and plinking.
Thanks for sharing your fond memories. 😊
last i knew meps was till buying squirrel tails.
Great video, good info, look forward to the next one..cheers from the uk 🇬🇧
Your love for hollow 22 short is contagious! ❤
Tom you are so good at making a nice down to earth video. I learn so much from you. You remind me of simple times in the field that I remember having with my late father. Keep up the good work.
In my case it was my Uncle Peat. RI P.
Thanks.
I've got a box of .22 short wiz bangs in an unopened box from way back when. They were my dads.
Cool!
As always Tom a fun day shooting is better than better than watching TV. Stay safe and see ya again
Glad you enjoyed it.
I remember the yellow Western 22 cartridge boxes from my childhood and early teen years
I love .22 rifles. Your Model 552 is a fine looking rimfire rifle. Thanks for sharing. UMC Union Metallic Cartridge Co.
Another great video. Thanks.
Great video and info! Just picked up a Remington 582. Will have to try some of that ammo in it!
Then we have something in common because I just got a 582 myself. Look for a video coming out soon featuring the Remington 582 and 581.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman looking forward to it!
.22 short is neat. Will do the same job as .22lr will do within 50 yds. The Floberts are great for less than 35 yds work. Nowadays, airguns are dominating the market where these cartridges were popular. Guns in these chambers were widespread on Fairs, Young scouts and in schools(blieve it or not). Great rounds for what they are :)
I have a bunch of 22 shorts, Remington hp's at that! Had them for quiet sometime.
Very nice collection!
I remember at 8 years old buying 22's, 75 cents a box
Those were the days.....
I bought shorts for 12 cents a box in late 40's.
i still have some of those rws flober pointy caps. and i used shorts as a kid, i remember most of those packets.
Sir, I recently found your channel and I enjoy your videos, especially the rim fire videos. Your collection of older.22 shorts, longs, and long rifles are impressive! It brings back old memories of my ammunition used when I squirrel hunted as a teenager. I started off with a Winchester Model 170, I believe; a semi auto tube fed.22LR. I graduated to a.22 revolver of my dad’s when I turned 15. As a 8-12 year old, dad bought me a Winchester single shot.410 which took many gray squirrels.
Keep up the great work!!
Good video on the 22 short, I have always liked them also as a matter of fact I just bought cci shorts at a gun show Saturday. I like your vintage collection I also have a collection of 22 shorts , thanks for the video and take care
Thanks!😊
Thank you for another great video really enjoyed it! Used to do a lot of indoor shooting with those Cb mini caps 😮in a bolt action 22 Remington!
Great presentation. Thank you
I still have about 1000 rounds left of 22 shorts that I bought over 30 years ago. They cost more than 22 LR now. I have a high velocity .177 pellet rifle that makes more noise than the 22short. My Henry lever action shoots them just fine and it is accurate out to above 30 yards. No squirrels left in my neck of the woods.
You have a great youTube site, I also love to shoot Vintage 22 rimfire rifles, regards from Canberra Australia
When they quit making 22 short ammo they didn't have a clue that they hurt so many people that used this ammo all the time in my opinion you could not beat the 22 short standard class ammogood info keep up the good work.
Beagleman
Great video. Thanks for the information. I love reading everyone’s story about them shooting the short back in the day. Am a lot younger than those people but a lot of the stories remind me about myself and shooting 22 LR. I have shot the 22 short before but as another person said seems like if you can find them they are more expensive than the 22 LR.
Good job. Thanks
When indoor shooting, used to set a foot piece of old barn beam on my bar, sit there with a handgun and shoot 100 rounds in the house. They only went about a quarter inch into the thing. Totally safe with safety glasses on!
I thought I was the only one who did stuff like this lol
I suppose I could do that as well; but didn’t you miss from time to time and Nick some furniture or walls?
You now are going to have to Chronograph those little CB caps.
I should make a video dedicated to those tiny rounds. What do you think?
I agree with that .👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻Just watched this video for the 4th time. Like your presentations and information. Yes I’m late in response to your question.
CCi CB shorts are a real blast to shoot with my kids. Nice video, cool collection
In New Jersey, you can hunt raccoons and possum with 22 shorts only. I would like to see a accuracy comparison between long rifle and the shorts in rifles chambered for the specific cartridge. If you can get hold of a 22 short only rifle
Great little cartridges Tom,
I've hunted a lot of squirrel and rabbit using the .22 short.
JT
Your Remington bolt action looks like a very nice rifle. It must be a pleasure to have.
It is a nice little rifle, and a real shooter.😊
As you may notice, 'Federal' (or some variant of the company) sold under its own name, as well as MANY department stores' cartridges...Montgomery Ward, Sears, K-Mart, Big-K, and as a lower cost provider to Western Auto (to name but a few...there were many more).
The Remington 552 Speedmaster information on firing all three 22. cartridges LR L S
Fantastic video I love the 22 short hp also❤ ihave a beretta 950bs in both 22 short and 25 acp in a houston phone book a remington 27 gr hp went to page 1035 expanded to .32 caliber the 25 50 gr fmj went to page 750 both shot at 10 foot😂
I still used CCI 22 short cb round for quiet plinking and small game hunting for ground squirrels. Out of my 22 Browning BL22 very accurate and deadly for nailing grounds.
I still have boxes of Federal .22 short hollow point used for my .22 short beretta handgun,
Great video ❤
Great video, I really enjoyed it. Going to pick up some cci hp, hv, shorts when I see them.Thanks!
We have about 800 shorts on hand, primarily the cci round nose...I like shorts, within range they are accurate and effective...hopefully the ammo manufacturers continue to put shorts out here, as the caliber is capable for what it was designed for, small game and target shooting...
Great video.... a lot of detailed information with actual examples. 2 thumbs up dude!
enjoyed your video
S&B in Czechia is still selling both 22 short and flobert - ball and pointed. but flobert is almost 2x price of other 22. the reason is anyone over 18 can buy flobert firearm. no licence required. First firearm I bought at the age of 18 was Alfa Brno revolver in 22 flobert. I still have it but dont shoot it much because of ammo price.
Used to be able to buy an insert for the .22LR chamber (1990's) that prevented carbon ring build-up. Wish I'd got a few.
Maybe some enterprising entrepreneur reading this can come up with a product?
Awesome video, chock full of valuable information! Really love this series on .22, whether shorts or LR. Question for you though, I have a Marlin Model 80 DL with a stamp of "A" on the bolt action receiver, no serial number. It was given to me by my grandfather when I was very young (early '60s). Any info/opinion on that rifle? You're the only person with knowledge/expertise that I trust, since you have a great collection. It would be greatly appreciated! By the way, great channel! -Steve-
Thanks for your support. Here is a link in which the Marlin model 80 was the topic of discussion. marlin-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6713
I use to use shorts all the time years ago because they were cheaper
Yes they were. Now it's the other way around. Here a 100 round box is about $12.00-$16.00.
I don't understand how shorts aren't more widely manufactured. Many times the shelf space where 22 shorts should be at the places where I buy ammo is bare. Lots of people obviously still buy it.
It is so sad the only people still making 22 short hp is cci I say sad I am glad they still make them nothing beat the remington 22 short hp
My sentiments as well.
I just bought a new box of 100 Remington golden bullets.
Wish there was a quality, modern J-framed or smaller size revolver chambered in 22 short (not LR cases). So far as I know, the NAA mini revolver is the only thing chambered for 22 short and it's too dainty to hang onto, and is a slow reloader.
...60 years ago, my dad gave me a Marlin 82c on the night I graduated 8th grade... June 1963..wish I still had it..a tube fed, boat action .22 that used 22 short, long and long rifle...it's almost impossible to find a rifle that will use .22 short, these days
I Found The Winchester 22 Short Hollowpoints In Small Silver Boxes in My Local Gunshop I Bought 4 Boxes and They Told Me There Still Making Them The Boxes Say SuperX 22Short Hollowpoints 😀😊😀👍🏼
Oh wow! Do you have a location for the gun shop? I would be very interested.
my go to squirrel hunting round in early season
UNION Metallic Cartridge !!!!
That's right. My mistake.
The Winchester Mod 90 chambered in .22 short and long had twist of 1 in 20 with bore of .219 rifling dia of .224, but the LR was 1 in 16 bore was .217 rifling dia of . 222. Apparently the faster twist and shorter bullet was more accurate .
used to have a rossi pump action 22. i shot a squirrel running on the ground 3 times but he ran into a hole at the bottom of a tree. those were 22 short round nose. i've never bought anything but hollow points ever since.
STA*KLEAN was actually 'Federal Cartridge Company' (later to become 'Federal' that we know now)...
great video, how about a video on the 22 wrf, probably the best 22 rf hunting round but the popularity of the 22 lr killed it.
Has a bullet diameter that's a little odd compared to the others, also when LR became higher velocity, it more or less matched WRF velocity so there wasn't any advantage. The 22WMR later outperforms LR by about double the energy.
That's correct. The .22 LR simply out-sell's the short cartridge.
I don't think the scope on the Marlin set until those first two shots were fired causing the two groups. I tap my scope a few times after an adjustment to settle it.
I've got some 22 shorts they are made by a Gillies. I don't know if I'm saying that right or not or spelling it right. I also have some made by Winchester
One other advntage of tubuler mags, like my Rem 582 is 21 rounds of .22 shorts w/o reloading.
Hard to find shorts in Hawaii, got a variety of long rifle.
I use to pray for 50 degrees ,,,,Why ? When i was a kid and ask my dad could we go shooting he would say yes if it get up to 50 degrees.
Dad had a Remington 511 Scoremaster i could shoot well ( Which i still have) So we would grab the 511 and dad only bought 22 shorts .
I remember one time on the way to shooting we stopped at a Western Auto and bought some Revelation brand shorts and me and dad couldn't hit anything ..
Wonderful memories with your dad and an old .22 rifle. It's great that you still have that 511. I still have my first .22 (a Remington 581). Thanks so much for sharing your story. take care, and God bless.
I like shootin shorts. Even those low velocity rounds from CCI makes good squirrel getters at 40 yards and under and hardly any noise.
6 mm bb pulled apart the ball had a split like a sinker paper with 3 stick powder on it still get it but extremely expensive to buy
very interesting video, i am curious as to why you choose to hunt with shorts VS high velocity long rifle?
I wonder if these tiny cb caps (floberts) fly in stabilized mode up to 100 yards? Try to set bigger paper target at 100 yards to see if they are keyholling or not. Also, there may be differences in that matter when they are fired from .22 revolver
I believe sears roebuck co. Sta Klein .22 cal ammunition was manufactured by Federal for Sears. Great video by the way really enjoyable and informative.
I’ve shot a pile of Squirrels and Rabbits over the years mosttaken with 22 short hollow points. Used on my trap lines as well. Never failed me and still use them to this day.
I kind- of suspected that. They look alot like Federal .22's to me.
Back in the mid 1960s when I was 15 we went every week to the general store for groceries. This store owner would buy old goods from other closing stores and older ammo was often obtained that way.We kids got a quarter allowance every Friday at the store and the store owner would break a box of shells and I would buy 5 shotgun shells for a nickel a piece. One box of paper shells was sears and robuck on the fine print was Federal , I had never heard of them . 5 shells equaled 5 squirrels.
@@randyblackburn9765 Wow! Those are some great memories. Thanks so much for sharing your story. I love to read accounts of days gone by. God bless you.
Umc made the sportsman ammo ? Yes back I bought a brick of shorts at a gun show guy told me they were regular 22 but I shot the snot out of game .with em my old 24 she would put 5 in one ragged hole
Its sad that I initially made you bolt gun as a CZ. I love old classic rimfires. Some can still be had cheaper than modern rimfires and better quality to boot.
I have a box that says Winchester super speed it's a red and then the cardboard color box box
Good video 🙏✝️👍
The Browning SA22 short only rifles have different twists than the LR chambers.
Have u found these rifles group better with LRs than Shorts?
I still have 2 bricks of Remington short H.P. also CCI short H.P. Let me tell you many a bushy tail have met their demise with these. It's the perfect squirrel getter. You can hear the whop when it connects.
No doubt! I can tell you are a squirrel hunter True blue..