Great video sir!! I have believed that there were certain years where quality fell off and you not only confirmed that, you gave me the specific years. This narrows my search. Thank you!! I subed to your channel.
Thanks for the sub! Yes, there really was a golden age for motorhome production in my opinion. And there are still lots of great rigs out there that have been cared for and would be a smart buy these days.
Dwayne, your list was great. My father owned 2 American Eagles. A 1999 single slide and a 2005 quad slide. He purchased the 99 in 2004 and the 2005 in 2008. We looked at all the brands you listed back in 2018 when we were looking to purchase. We felt that our budget at that time would allow us to get one of those units in a 2000-2006 year model. Well, as luck would have it, we ended up purchasing a 2006 Wanderlodge 450 Lxi. It was more expensive than our original budget, but it is somewhat satisfying to own a coach that no one talks about, but everyone knows the quality of the unit. Thanks again for your videos. For some reason this one slipped by me. I appreciate your channel and your easy going style. Thanks again.
Wanderlodge is a great RV and I'll bet you get plenty of looks on the road and in the campground. They just seem to attract attention. Thanks for the positive feedback on my videos. It's much appreciated!
While your advice makes sense, I had a different experience with a 2006 Monaco DP. First, getting a loan on a coach that old was darn near impossible. Second, parts were difficult if not impossible to find. My fog lights were dead and no one makes them anymore. Monaco made a great coach but you may need to scrounge RV junkyards for replacement parts. I strongly agree that anyone considering purchasing an older coach have a detailed inspection and fluid analysis prior to purchase. Thanks for the video, Duane.
Hi Robert. It's true that buying an older rig does have its share of challenges. But the rewards for getting such high quality at low prices is well worth it in my opinion. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
@@tammy3458 Also be aware that some RV parks won't allow RVs older than 10 years old to camp on their grounds. Many will waive the rule if they see a photo of the rig which shows it is well maintained, others will not. I would not allow that the discourage you from an older coach. Monaco went out of business and that contributed to my problem with spare parts.
Tammy, I own a 26 year old coach and never had a problem getting into any park. It is well maintained, but it never came up when I booked a park or pulled in how old it was.
I agree that they certainly are great RVs. Anything from Country Coach up until about 2010 is worthy of consideration. Thanks for sharing your research!
Lenders are getting really tight on used RVs if you need to finance. I suspected that they are seeing that the bottom is falling out of the market. I heard that several want 50% of the sale price down. Used RV prices have started to slip over the past few weeks so I recommend anyone looking for one right now to wait for a few months. I believe would be a time when patience pays off.
Hi Roy. A lot of RV manufacturers and dealers want to act like the party is never going to end, but I agree with your opinion that the used RV market has to correct at some point along here. And when it does, it will be a great time to buy a used RV. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Roy!
Another advantage of diesels in that year range is they were before DPF and DEF. I always advise my inspection customers to take a DP to a Cummins or CAT service center and at least have the computer scanned for past issues. I've found very few buyers are willing to wait the 3-7 days to get the fluid analysis back.
Hi Jerry I'm new in the RV scenerio, I've Got 4 kids and I might be homeless soon, I live in California and I'm looking for older RVs that can house me my wife and 4 kids, we are going through some very hard times right now and I would like to have more options than none I'm looking for the biggest most affordable Older but good long lasting RV where me and my Family can live until we get situated I don't necessarily know where to look for more affordable RVs their all to expensive for us at the moment, I met a lady a while back that had a huge RV that she bout for 5k I can't remember where she told me to look for used RVs and I don't know what are good long lasting brands or what to look for. Any help will do thank you for your time. God Bless you sir.
Great advice, I bought a 1998 Monaco Windsor in 2019 it has been great. I have a close friend that got a used 2005 Country Coach also in 2019 it has also been great but has had a few more repairs need than my Monaco.
I drove big rigs since 1973 and I'm retired now most diesels that are pree DEF are a much better vehicle with less chance of a break down I've put over 7 million miles over the road and the only breakdowns I experienced was the newer diesels and it was sensor's and emissions crapp that put me on the hook.i prefer non slides less problem and personally I dond need that much room older Rvs you dont have to worry about parts if it cant be fixed it can be upgraded ,I have no problem with older diesel Rvs but do with newer ones its not the price its quality older Rvs seem to be better built.just do a thorough inspection..
Those are words of experience and wisdom Dewayne. Older diesel pushers have a lot to offer, especially those before 2008 when the economy crashed. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you great video,I also prefer older vehicles the fuel milage the newer ones have has alot to do with the slower speedlimit years ago with lower gear ratio I had a new 1979 chevy show van I 350 motor I averaged 17 mpgs at 60 mph but terrible at higher speeds I did away with the 4:10 gearing put 3:43 ratio at 70 it would get 17 mpgs the new 2022 Van's only average 17 mpg on the highway,so the computer fuel injection just means nothing but problems on newer vehicles.
After months of research and looking at RVs up to $300k+, we came to the conclusion that the best value for us is a used (2004-2008) American Coach, Tiffin, Newmar and Country Coach. We are a few weeks away from our final purchase. Prices range from$89k - $140K. $140k is at the very top end of our budget.
All I can say is that our 2004 Newmar Kountry Star with the same engine has been a great RV and we love it. Before buying any rig of that age though, I highly recommend an RV inspection and fluid analysis on the engine oil and coolant, the tranny fluid, and the oil and coolant of the diesel generator if it has one. It pays to know what you're getting.
I own a 2003 Kountry star that I ordered new in 2002 and have kept going and love. It been towed several times due to 5.9 engine problems but I have managed to repair most issues myself. The turbo change was the most time consuming and the cost of the variable turbo was $3700 11 years ago. However its getting pretty tired so I'm shopping for something newer. I was hoping to find something in the 20-teens to replace it so not too excited to hear you recommend older units. However I do agree with most of the brand you have stated. Maybe I can find something in the year you recommend.
Hi Don. Older Class A RVs are not for everyone. But they were so well built in those years that it's a challenge to replace them with something more modern that compares favorably in quality. I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed your Kountry Star as we have too. I hope you find the perfect RV to replace it!
Can you buy a older Tiffin with records and cared for by the owners that gets a thumbs up professional inspection for under $100,000? Please send me the add please.
Although we love our 2003 Kountry Star, we've seen some very nice Foretravel models. Some don't have any slides, but floorplan and fit/finish are impressive.
Hi Jim. I totally agree. Foretravel is a very high quality Class A manufacturer. But they don't make very many of them each year and what they makes is much more expensive than most higher production Class A manufacturers. So I don't include either Foretravel, Newell or Prevost in my lists of Class A manufacturers. Most people simply can't afford them and I feel that they are pretty much in a class of their own. Thanks for mentioning Foretravel though!
@@RVInspectionAndCare There are quite a few 2000-2005 Foretravels out there under $100,000 or slightly over. I bought a 2000 Foretravel U320 in January for $68,900. It has the highly desirable 450hp Cummins M11 and 6 speed Allison transmission. It had 111,000 miles on it, has solid Walnut cabinets and 14" quarry tile floors. One of the previous owners had updated the light and plumbing fixtures with black, getting rid of the dated bright brass. They also updated the cabinet and drawer pulls. I think that you should have included Foretravels because they're a lot of value below and slightly above $100,000. JMHO, thanks, Ron
@@roneddington7564 I think you are right Ron. I automatically assume that Foretravel will be far more expensive on the used market than most other quality Class As. But if they are available under 100K used, they would definitely be a good candidate to consider. Thanks for making that point!
Country Coach was a great quality Class A builder, but sadly it did not survive the 2008 economic crash. Winnebago owns the brand now and we'll have to see if they eventually bring it back and restore it to its former glory. Thanks for watching and commenting!
What is the best way to go about extracting fluids from a privately owned coach? Do you recommend me getting permission from the private seller to take the coach to a shop and pay the shop to extract the fluids from the engine, tranny, and rear differentials? And if so probably have the shop give it a once over, compression check etc. etc. ?
Getting a fluid sample is easy enough that the average RV buyer can actually do it on their own. I made a video about that and you can view it here - ua-cam.com/video/abNq3Z8HUJo/v-deo.html . But if it's a private seller and they aren't comfortable with you taking the samples, you could try to find a local repair facility that would be able to do it for you instead.
Duane that is a great video! I am still having a hard time finding a used 2005 Newmar Superstar for sale! Duane you know there's always a smart acres in in the bunch! Top of the afternoon to you! SAFE TRAVELS
LOL! Yes, if you find a 2005 Newmar Super Star for sale, I recommend that you buy it right away Ron. :-) Wouldn't it be nice if we could buy a new Super Star at 2005 prices though?
I’m looking at a 07 Ventana. They are asking $72k. It has the 330 Cummins. Model 3933. Is this a quality coach? It wasn’t one of the three under Newmar you mentioned were good inits to buy used. 63,600 miles.
Hi Mark. It could be. Because any Newmar product from those years tends to be worth serious consideration. But I would never buy any motorhome from that era without a certified RV inspector going through it thoroughly first and also getting a fluid analysis on all the drivetrain fluids to make sure I know what condition its in before finalizing the deal.
Dwayne, thank you for your advice. I’m finding a lot of 2008 models on the market. Since the recession didn’t get into full swing until 2008, what about that year for quality builds?😊
Honestly I haven't had much exposure to Wanderlodge RVs. So I can't really give you a personal opinion on them from experience. But they have a reputation for being very well built overall. You just want to be very careful buying one that old. So make sure that you get it thoroughly inspected before the purchase.
I am just wondering if it is worth selling everything and buy a used DP to live in full time, ie is it worth it, what are the best brands for that, do you need to keep a piece of land with rv hook ups or live in rv parks, etc?
Hi Jerome. It's hard to say whether it would be a good fit for you or not. But it's essentially what we did and we are very happy with our decision. But here is a link to a video I made a little while back about living in an RV fulltime that may be helpful - ua-cam.com/video/V7bxePtD96M/v-deo.html And if you are thinking about getting a quality used diesel pusher for that purpose I have created a guidebook for brands that I can suggest and recommend here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy I hope that helps and that you find the RVing method that works best for you!
Well, the Coach in Lake Havasu failed our inspection criteria and we’re on the hunt again. Is it better to buy from a private party or a dealer? Both of the first coaches we were interested in failed our inspection criteria. This coach actually had structural rust behind the wet bay.
Sorry to hear that Curt. Finding a worthy RV to buy can be a frustrating experience. But aren't you glad that you know what to look for and didn't get stuck with the ones that you rejected so far?
Good question. And the answer is yes. That actually happens a lot that. Some sellers will hire an RV inspector as a third party confirmation that their RV is in very good shape. Then they can use the inspector' s report to be able to get top dollar for the sale of their RV.
Hi Jim. I provide a full list of the used Class A motorhomes that I recommend in my guidebook on used Class A motorhomes. You can find it here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy
Hi Santiago. Fleetwood is definitely on my recommended list of brands for Class A diesel pushers in that year. I hope you have lots of fun in that rig!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you so much yes I really like it there’s so many Fleetwoods but the only one that I really like it is the revolution happy new year
Just curious if anyone is having issues getting into rv parks with these older coaches. I've heard alot of places are refusing to allow anything over 15 yrs old in the park.
While it's true that a few parks are enforcing a ten year rule for RVs to stay in their campground, the vast majority of RV parks don't have a problem with older rigs, especially those that are being maintained well. We completed a 3700 mile trip across the country this summer and never were asked once about the age of our rig. I covered the subject pretty thoroughly in this video - ua-cam.com/video/T_ltXALbE8M/v-deo.html
@@RVInspectionAndCare good info. The ones that do enforce, all they ask is that you send a photo prior to making a reservation. No problems if you keep your rig maintained and looking nice.
Most of the components for older RVs are made by companies that are still in business and can upgrade them for you if they wear out. But if the company that built the RV is no longer in business, getting replacement body parts for walls, end caps and so on in the case of an accident can sometimes be a challenge. But oftentimes there are still ways to get those parts if you plug into the online groups that own that kind of RV. It just takes a little research before you buy an older motorhome to make sure about what the supply chain situation is really like for a particular RV brand that is no longer around.
Good points, but you really have to think hard about buying the older coaches, 2000 to 2010. But, you had better be real mechanically inclined. Also, rigs with CAT engines are getting harder and harder to find good mechanics to work on them. And parts are a bear to find in a lot of cases. I looked at the older Beavers, but finally bought a 2017 Tiffin Red 33AA that has all I need without a bunch of whistles and bells and no disco interior. Parts are easy to come by.
Hi Michael. My personal experience has been very positive with our diesel pusher. I have a CAT C7 engine and have never had any trouble finding mechanics or parts for it. Since many of the older CAT engines are used in lots of commercial vehicles as well, there should not be any trouble getting them repaired. Of course, finding mechanics that want to work on an engine from a bedroom opening above it, can be a problem. But that is true of diesel pushers both old and new. I'm glad that you found the motorhome that you feel fits you best. But choosing an older better made diesel pusher has been a good decision for many RVers that I know.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Maybe it is dependent upon where you are located at getting someone proficient on CAT's. Not knocking the engine, just support for "when stuff happens" on the road.
It could be. Winnebago made some very good coaches in those years. But make sure that you have it inspected before you buy to make sure that it's in tip-top shape.
Hi Phillip. We have a 2004 Newmar coach and we have traveled all over this country and have never been refused a reservation due to the age of our rig. We have had a few campgrounds ask for a picture to see what shape it's in. But nobody has ever refused us. Many RV parks have the 10 year rule on the books solely to be able to keep out RVs in very poor shape. But the enforcement of the rule is rare in our experience.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Great to hear !! as we've rented a few newer models and are planning on making an RV lot purchase on the Texas coast this winter when $$ bottom out and know that we are looking used with the salt air we will expose it to for most of the year as it only makes sense but I will cast a larger net when hunting clean used models
Oh yes! We lived and traveled full-time in our 2004 Newmar Kountry Star diesel pusher for 3 solid years before we bought another RV to use as our home base in the winter.
Actually, many RV parks have a rule about not allowing RVs older than 10 years, but they rarely enforce the rule. It is mainly there to protect them if they decide that they want to refuse service to an RVer whose rig is in extremely poor shape. Of course, there are some RV parks who regularly enforce the rule because they appeal to a high end group of campers who do not wish to be camping next to anything older than 10 years. But there are very few of those out there. I have a 2004 Newmar motorhome and we have traveled extensively throughout the country and we have never been refused entry to any RV park anywhere we have gone.
actually, in 2008 the industry was required to add DEF to ALL diesels and that alone screwed the engine by chocking it with bullshit piss water. and this is from a certified master truck mechanic that works on transit/commuter busses.
Many certified NRVIA inspectors perform a fluid analysis as part of their inspection. But you can also do it yourself. It's not that hard to get the samples and then send them off for analysis. You can find everything you need here - jglubricantservices.com/
You cut off the quality at 2007. I was interested in the Comfort Drive Steering and I see Newmar started offering those in 2007. It seems like in 2008, they started putting in all their diesel models. Do you know what models had this in 2007? I really want to stay below $100K and that might not be possible if I want this option. What do you think about it?
I'm sorry but I may not be able to help with your question. This video is about two things. (1) Finding luxury diesel pushers under $100K in cost, and (2) buying the best quality brands from the 2000 - 2007 era of motorhomes. I know that a lot of other videos focus on specific features, but that is not the focus of this channel. I realize that Comfort Drive Steering is important to you, but I caution you not to get too focused on one or even a few features, when the quality of the RV should be the first consideration. I hope you understand.
I personally would have added Travel Supreme to that top 5 list of yours. Perhaps it’s on your top 10 and if not it really should be. I enjoy you content very much so please keep up the good work that you do.
Thanks Jeff. There are several more brands that I could recommend from that time period. It was sort of a golden age for Class A motorhomes. And yes, Travel Supreme would be a fine choice for a motorhome from that time period. Sadly they did not survive the 2008 financial crash and Jayco purchased their assets. Some say that Entegra is the modern descendant of Travel Supreme. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for supporting this channel Jeff!
I answered the question about RV inspection cost in this video - ua-cam.com/video/BxVViCeFCqU/v-deo.html But fluid analysis is harder to say. It varies a lot from one inspector to another. I think the video link I just gave you will be helpful though.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I just watched the video on inspections. Informative and inclusive as always. Thank you for the prompt response and the service to all of us UA-camrs that you provide.
THE PROBLEM WITH ANY COACH OLDER THAN 10 YEARS IS BEING WELCOMED IN ANY PARK A FEW PARKS HAVE THE YEAR 2000S THE CUTOFF BUT MOST HAVE A 10-YEAR CUT OFF DAVID ADAM GRENIS MAPLETON AVENUE BOULDER COLORADO USA
This is a subject that you hear a lot about online, but the truth is that very few parks enforce the 10 year rule in practical application. We have stayed at campgrounds all over the country and have never once been denied entry based on the fact that our coach is a 2004. The only parks that seem to enforce such a rule are high end parks that have high camping rates anyway and want to appeal to a wealthier consumer.
I LIKE CLASSES BUT ESPECIALLY HIGH HORSEPOWER ONES WITH THE 600 HORSEPOWER CUMMINS ISX ENGINE AND A TRAILING AXEL TO ME IT'S NOT A LUXURY COACH WITHOUT THAT AT THE ABILITY TO TOE ANYTING HEAVY LIKE A DOUBLE STACKER TRAILER DAVID ADAM GRENIS MAPLETON AVENUE BOULDER COLORADO USA
Hello Dwayne I’m a new subscriber just want your opinion on purchasing one of the top of the line motor homes you recommend but I only can afford to buy in the 1997 to1999 range What were the quality back then. Thank you
Hi Ron. The top manufacturers and brands were more or less the same as the ones I mentioned in this video. But if you want a full list of my recommended older Class A motorhome brands, you can download it here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy I hope that helps.
Great video sir!! I have believed that there were certain years where quality fell off and you not only confirmed that, you gave me the specific years. This narrows my search. Thank you!!
I subed to your channel.
Thanks for the sub! Yes, there really was a golden age for motorhome production in my opinion. And there are still lots of great rigs out there that have been cared for and would be a smart buy these days.
Dwayne, your list was great. My father owned 2 American Eagles. A 1999 single slide and a 2005 quad slide. He purchased the 99 in 2004 and the 2005 in 2008. We looked at all the brands you listed back in 2018 when we were looking to purchase. We felt that our budget at that time would allow us to get one of those units in a 2000-2006 year model. Well, as luck would have it, we ended up purchasing a 2006 Wanderlodge 450 Lxi. It was more expensive than our original budget, but it is somewhat satisfying to own a coach that no one talks about, but everyone knows the quality of the unit. Thanks again for your videos. For some reason this one slipped by me. I appreciate your channel and your easy going style. Thanks again.
Wanderlodge is a great RV and I'll bet you get plenty of looks on the road and in the campground. They just seem to attract attention. Thanks for the positive feedback on my videos. It's much appreciated!
While your advice makes sense, I had a different experience with a 2006 Monaco DP. First, getting a loan on a coach that old was darn near impossible. Second, parts were difficult if not impossible to find. My fog lights were dead and no one makes them anymore. Monaco made a great coach but you may need to scrounge RV junkyards for replacement parts. I strongly agree that anyone considering purchasing an older coach have a detailed inspection and fluid analysis prior to purchase. Thanks for the video, Duane.
Hi Robert. It's true that buying an older rig does have its share of challenges. But the rewards for getting such high quality at low prices is well worth it in my opinion. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Thanks for ur comment! I’m looking for an older coach myself & that was valuable info!
@@tammy3458 Also be aware that some RV parks won't allow RVs older than 10 years old to camp on their grounds. Many will waive the rule if they see a photo of the rig which shows it is well maintained, others will not. I would not allow that the discourage you from an older coach. Monaco went out of business and that contributed to my problem with spare parts.
This turned out to be pretty true. Prices are pretty low right now.
Tammy, I own a 26 year old coach and never had a problem getting into any park. It is well maintained, but it never came up when I booked a park or pulled in how old it was.
From my research, Country Coach models from about 2004-2008 are the best in my mind!!! The quality and craftsmanship can't be beat!
I agree that they certainly are great RVs. Anything from Country Coach up until about 2010 is worthy of consideration. Thanks for sharing your research!
I have a 2003 Newmar Country Star. I have had this o e for almost 11 years. I love it.
That a great rig David. They just don't build them like that anymore. :-)
Lenders are getting really tight on used RVs if you need to finance. I suspected that they are seeing that the bottom is falling out of the market. I heard that several want 50% of the sale price down. Used RV prices have started to slip over the past few weeks so I recommend anyone looking for one right now to wait for a few months. I believe would be a time when patience pays off.
Hi Roy. A lot of RV manufacturers and dealers want to act like the party is never going to end, but I agree with your opinion that the used RV market has to correct at some point along here. And when it does, it will be a great time to buy a used RV. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Roy!
Yes… and I’m waiting patiently with cash. :)
Another advantage of diesels in that year range is they were before DPF and DEF.
I always advise my inspection customers to take a DP to a Cummins or CAT service center and at least have the computer scanned for past issues. I've found very few buyers are willing to wait the 3-7 days to get the fluid analysis back.
Hi Jerry. Thanks for those suggestions and observations. I always like to hear from fellow RV inspectors.
Hi Jerry I'm new in the RV scenerio, I've Got 4 kids and I might be homeless soon, I live in California and I'm looking for older RVs that can house me my wife and 4 kids, we are going through some very hard times right now and I would like to have more options than none I'm looking for the biggest most affordable Older but good long lasting RV where me and my Family can live until we get situated I don't necessarily know where to look for more affordable RVs their all to expensive for us at the moment, I met a lady a while back that had a huge RV that she bout for 5k I can't remember where she told me to look for used RVs and I don't know what are good long lasting brands or what to look for. Any help will do thank you for your time. God Bless you sir.
@@calisfinest7827 Most stuff is junky these days. Buy something and park it. Maybe consider moving out of Cali to a more affordable state.
Great advice, I bought a 1998 Monaco Windsor in 2019 it has been great. I have a close friend that got a used 2005 Country Coach also in 2019 it has also been great but has had a few more repairs need than my Monaco.
That's awesome Steve. Thanks for sharing your experience about buying an older coach with us here!
I have a National Surf side 2007 gas but I want to switch to diesel motorhome . This video was so helpful .
Thank you 🙏
That's great. I'm glad the video was helpful. I hope you find the motorhome that fits you perfectly!
I drove big rigs since 1973 and I'm retired now most diesels that are pree DEF are a much better vehicle with less chance of a break down I've put over 7 million miles over the road and the only breakdowns I experienced was the newer diesels and it was sensor's and emissions crapp that put me on the hook.i prefer non slides less problem and personally I dond need that much room older Rvs you dont have to worry about parts if it cant be fixed it can be upgraded ,I have no problem with older diesel Rvs but do with newer ones its not the price its quality older Rvs seem to be better built.just do a thorough inspection..
Those are words of experience and wisdom Dewayne. Older diesel pushers have a lot to offer, especially those before 2008 when the economy crashed. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you great video,I also prefer older vehicles the fuel milage the newer ones have has alot to do with the slower speedlimit years ago with lower gear ratio I had a new 1979 chevy show van I 350 motor I averaged 17 mpgs at 60 mph but terrible at higher speeds I did away with the 4:10 gearing put 3:43 ratio at 70 it would get 17 mpgs the new 2022 Van's only average 17 mpg on the highway,so the computer fuel injection just means nothing but problems on newer vehicles.
After months of research and looking at RVs up to $300k+, we came to the conclusion that the best value for us is a used (2004-2008) American Coach, Tiffin, Newmar and Country Coach. We are a few weeks away from our final purchase. Prices range from$89k - $140K. $140k is at the very top end of our budget.
Those are all great brands from the years that you mentioned. I hope you find the perfect coach for your needs!
It's real easy... Find a 2002 to 2008 Monaco, Beaver, or country coach that was built in Oregon. Tiffin also makes the list.
Those are all good choices for sure. Thanks for watching!
We are looking at 2004 Kountry Star 3705 floor plan with Cat C7 330 hp. We take your advice.
All I can say is that our 2004 Newmar Kountry Star with the same engine has been a great RV and we love it. Before buying any rig of that age though, I highly recommend an RV inspection and fluid analysis on the engine oil and coolant, the tranny fluid, and the oil and coolant of the diesel generator if it has one. It pays to know what you're getting.
I own a 2003 Kountry star that I ordered new in 2002 and have kept going and love. It been towed several times due to 5.9 engine problems but I have managed to repair most issues myself. The turbo change was the most time consuming and the cost of the variable turbo was $3700 11 years ago. However its getting pretty tired so I'm shopping for something newer. I was hoping to find something in the 20-teens to replace it so not too excited to hear you recommend older units. However I do agree with most of the brand you have stated. Maybe I can find something in the year you recommend.
Hi Don. Older Class A RVs are not for everyone. But they were so well built in those years that it's a challenge to replace them with something more modern that compares favorably in quality. I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed your Kountry Star as we have too. I hope you find the perfect RV to replace it!
Can you buy a older Tiffin with records and cared for by the owners that gets a thumbs up professional inspection for under $100,000? Please send me the add please.
Yes, I have seen several like that. Just visit RVTrader.com and RVT.com to find them.
Although we love our 2003 Kountry Star, we've seen some very nice Foretravel models. Some don't have any slides, but floorplan and fit/finish are impressive.
Hi Jim. I totally agree. Foretravel is a very high quality Class A manufacturer. But they don't make very many of them each year and what they makes is much more expensive than most higher production Class A manufacturers. So I don't include either Foretravel, Newell or Prevost in my lists of Class A manufacturers. Most people simply can't afford them and I feel that they are pretty much in a class of their own. Thanks for mentioning Foretravel though!
@@RVInspectionAndCare There are quite a few 2000-2005 Foretravels out there under $100,000 or slightly over. I bought a 2000 Foretravel U320 in January for $68,900. It has the highly desirable 450hp Cummins M11 and 6 speed Allison transmission. It had 111,000 miles on it, has solid Walnut cabinets and 14" quarry tile floors. One of the previous owners had updated the light and plumbing fixtures with black, getting rid of the dated bright brass. They also updated the cabinet and drawer pulls. I think that you should have included Foretravels because they're a lot of value below and slightly above $100,000. JMHO, thanks, Ron
@@roneddington7564 I think you are right Ron. I automatically assume that Foretravel will be far more expensive on the used market than most other quality Class As. But if they are available under 100K used, they would definitely be a good candidate to consider. Thanks for making that point!
Thanks for the great advice
I'm glad it was helpful Kellie. Thanks for watching!
Great advise. If you go back early 2000 Country Coach built some coaches on Prevost frame
Country Coach was a great quality Class A builder, but sadly it did not survive the 2008 economic crash. Winnebago owns the brand now and we'll have to see if they eventually bring it back and restore it to its former glory. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Just an EXCELLENT VIDEO---THANK YOU
Glad you enjoyed it Paul. Thanks for watching and leaving some positive feedback too!
What is the best way to go about extracting fluids from a privately owned coach?
Do you recommend me getting permission from the private seller to take the coach to a shop and pay the shop to extract the fluids from the engine, tranny, and rear differentials? And if so probably have the shop give it a once over, compression check etc. etc. ?
Getting a fluid sample is easy enough that the average RV buyer can actually do it on their own. I made a video about that and you can view it here - ua-cam.com/video/abNq3Z8HUJo/v-deo.html . But if it's a private seller and they aren't comfortable with you taking the samples, you could try to find a local repair facility that would be able to do it for you instead.
thank you for sharing information and wisdom
It's my pleasure. I'm glad that you found the video helpful. Thanks for watching!
Duane that is a great video! I am still having a hard time finding a used 2005 Newmar Superstar for sale! Duane you know there's always a smart acres in in the bunch! Top of the afternoon to you! SAFE TRAVELS
LOL! Yes, if you find a 2005 Newmar Super Star for sale, I recommend that you buy it right away Ron. :-) Wouldn't it be nice if we could buy a new Super Star at 2005 prices though?
LoL Duane! THANKS for making me LAUGH! Have a great day my friend!!
I’m looking at a 07 Ventana. They are asking $72k. It has the 330 Cummins. Model 3933. Is this a quality coach? It wasn’t one of the three under Newmar you mentioned were good inits to buy used. 63,600 miles.
Hi Mark. It could be. Because any Newmar product from those years tends to be worth serious consideration. But I would never buy any motorhome from that era without a certified RV inspector going through it thoroughly first and also getting a fluid analysis on all the drivetrain fluids to make sure I know what condition its in before finalizing the deal.
Dwayne, thank you for your advice. I’m finding a lot of 2008 models on the market. Since the recession didn’t get into full swing until 2008, what about that year for quality builds?😊
Hi Mike. 2008 is right on the edge of the overall industry-wide decline in quality. RVs made in that year could be a good choice, but just be careful.
What is your opinion on the bluebird Wanderlodge? I’m looking at between 1999 and 2003 good bad the ugly.
Honestly I haven't had much exposure to Wanderlodge RVs. So I can't really give you a personal opinion on them from experience. But they have a reputation for being very well built overall. You just want to be very careful buying one that old. So make sure that you get it thoroughly inspected before the purchase.
I am just wondering if it is worth selling everything and buy a used DP to live in full time, ie is it worth it, what are the best brands for that, do you need to keep a piece of land with rv hook ups or live in rv parks, etc?
Hi Jerome. It's hard to say whether it would be a good fit for you or not. But it's essentially what we did and we are very happy with our decision. But here is a link to a video I made a little while back about living in an RV fulltime that may be helpful - ua-cam.com/video/V7bxePtD96M/v-deo.html And if you are thinking about getting a quality used diesel pusher for that purpose I have created a guidebook for brands that I can suggest and recommend here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy I hope that helps and that you find the RVing method that works best for you!
Well, the Coach in Lake Havasu failed our inspection criteria and we’re on the hunt again. Is it better to buy from a private party or a dealer? Both of the first coaches we were interested in failed our inspection criteria. This coach actually had structural rust behind the wet bay.
Sorry to hear that Curt. Finding a worthy RV to buy can be a frustrating experience. But aren't you glad that you know what to look for and didn't get stuck with the ones that you rejected so far?
@@RVInspectionAndCare Absolutely, but I’m going to go broke just getting the inspections done. 😂😂😂
How do you feel about a 2008 Holiday Rambler Ambassador?
They are on my list of recommended used Class A RVs to seriously consider. I hope that helps.
Thanks for good informtion!
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment as well!
Where does one get a fluid analysis done?
This video I made a while back may be helpful for you - ua-cam.com/video/abNq3Z8HUJo/v-deo.html
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you kindly, Sir! 😎👍
Just curious, do sellers ever hire inspectors before they sell?
Good question. And the answer is yes. That actually happens a lot that. Some sellers will hire an RV inspector as a third party confirmation that their RV is in very good shape. Then they can use the inspector' s report to be able to get top dollar for the sale of their RV.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Great, thanks for getting back to me
I Understand the 15 year old suggestion for buying a diesel. My question is what about some of these RV parks that have an age rule?
I made a video about that whole subject that you can watch here - ua-cam.com/video/T_ltXALbE8M/v-deo.html
Dwayne, What Class A diesel pushers (years/models) would you recommend if you were shopping for a unit post-2012?
Hi Jim. I provide a full list of the used Class A motorhomes that I recommend in my guidebook on used Class A motorhomes. You can find it here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy
Also anything that the vin number starts with 1RF you’ll be fine
Can you please elaborate on that?
I think he is referring to the chassis type. 1rf = Roadmaster, I think.
What do you think I bought a 2004 Fleetwood revolution 40 foot with a 350 hp Cummins 1050 Of torque
Can you tell me if I make a really good choice and the one that I have
Hi Santiago. Fleetwood is definitely on my recommended list of brands for Class A diesel pushers in that year. I hope you have lots of fun in that rig!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you so much yes I really like it there’s so many Fleetwoods but the only one that I really like it is the revolution happy new year
Very helpful thx 😀
I'm glad you enjoyed it Edward. Thanks for watching!
Just curious if anyone is having issues getting into rv parks with these older coaches. I've heard alot of places are refusing to allow anything over 15 yrs old in the park.
While it's true that a few parks are enforcing a ten year rule for RVs to stay in their campground, the vast majority of RV parks don't have a problem with older rigs, especially those that are being maintained well. We completed a 3700 mile trip across the country this summer and never were asked once about the age of our rig. I covered the subject pretty thoroughly in this video - ua-cam.com/video/T_ltXALbE8M/v-deo.html
@@RVInspectionAndCare good info. The ones that do enforce, all they ask is that you send a photo prior to making a reservation. No problems if you keep your rig maintained and looking nice.
Can you still get parts?even when they are out of business?
Most of the components for older RVs are made by companies that are still in business and can upgrade them for you if they wear out. But if the company that built the RV is no longer in business, getting replacement body parts for walls, end caps and so on in the case of an accident can sometimes be a challenge. But oftentimes there are still ways to get those parts if you plug into the online groups that own that kind of RV. It just takes a little research before you buy an older motorhome to make sure about what the supply chain situation is really like for a particular RV brand that is no longer around.
Good points, but you really have to think hard about buying the older coaches, 2000 to 2010. But, you had better be real mechanically inclined. Also, rigs with CAT engines are getting harder and harder to find good mechanics to work on them. And parts are a bear to find in a lot of cases. I looked at the older Beavers, but finally bought a 2017 Tiffin Red 33AA that has all I need without a bunch of whistles and bells and no disco interior. Parts are easy to come by.
Hi Michael. My personal experience has been very positive with our diesel pusher. I have a CAT C7 engine and have never had any trouble finding mechanics or parts for it. Since many of the older CAT engines are used in lots of commercial vehicles as well, there should not be any trouble getting them repaired. Of course, finding mechanics that want to work on an engine from a bedroom opening above it, can be a problem. But that is true of diesel pushers both old and new. I'm glad that you found the motorhome that you feel fits you best. But choosing an older better made diesel pusher has been a good decision for many RVers that I know.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Maybe it is dependent upon where you are located at getting someone proficient on CAT's. Not knocking the engine, just support for "when stuff happens" on the road.
Is a 1999 winnebago adventurer 34v a good rv?
It could be. Winnebago made some very good coaches in those years. But make sure that you have it inspected before you buy to make sure that it's in tip-top shape.
The best part of the older coaches is no DEF.
LOL. Yes, that is a big plus in the minds of many RV buyers.
everytime I place a reservation at most parks they ask the year make and model with a blatant 10 year or newer policy in place
Hi Phillip. We have a 2004 Newmar coach and we have traveled all over this country and have never been refused a reservation due to the age of our rig. We have had a few campgrounds ask for a picture to see what shape it's in. But nobody has ever refused us. Many RV parks have the 10 year rule on the books solely to be able to keep out RVs in very poor shape. But the enforcement of the rule is rare in our experience.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Great to hear !! as we've rented a few newer models and are planning on making an RV lot purchase on the Texas coast this winter when $$ bottom out and know that we are looking used with the salt air we will expose it to for most of the year as it only makes sense but I will cast a larger net when hunting clean used models
Do you have this same type video for used class A gas?
Not yet. But you gave me a good idea for making that kind of video. Thanks for the suggestion!
Can you still live unit full-time at that age?
Oh yes! We lived and traveled full-time in our 2004 Newmar Kountry Star diesel pusher for 3 solid years before we bought another RV to use as our home base in the winter.
I prefer Beaver, National, Monaco, Tiffin, Newmar
Those are fine brands David. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject with us!
A lot of rv parks don’t allow coaches older than 10 years old
Actually, many RV parks have a rule about not allowing RVs older than 10 years, but they rarely enforce the rule. It is mainly there to protect them if they decide that they want to refuse service to an RVer whose rig is in extremely poor shape. Of course, there are some RV parks who regularly enforce the rule because they appeal to a high end group of campers who do not wish to be camping next to anything older than 10 years. But there are very few of those out there. I have a 2004 Newmar motorhome and we have traveled extensively throughout the country and we have never been refused entry to any RV park anywhere we have gone.
Many times if you send them a photo of your RV and it’s in great shape like a lot of country coaches and Monaco’s are they will let you stay there.
actually, in 2008 the industry was required to add DEF to ALL diesels and that alone screwed the engine by chocking it with bullshit piss water. and this is from a certified master truck mechanic that works on transit/commuter busses.
Thanks for your contribution on the subject.
Where can you get a FLUID Analysis
Many certified NRVIA inspectors perform a fluid analysis as part of their inspection. But you can also do it yourself. It's not that hard to get the samples and then send them off for analysis. You can find everything you need here - jglubricantservices.com/
You cut off the quality at 2007. I was interested in the Comfort Drive Steering and I see Newmar started offering those in 2007. It seems like in 2008, they started putting in all their diesel models. Do you know what models had this in 2007? I really want to stay below $100K and that might not be possible if I want this option. What do you think about it?
I'm sorry but I may not be able to help with your question. This video is about two things. (1) Finding luxury diesel pushers under $100K in cost, and (2) buying the best quality brands from the 2000 - 2007 era of motorhomes. I know that a lot of other videos focus on specific features, but that is not the focus of this channel. I realize that Comfort Drive Steering is important to you, but I caution you not to get too focused on one or even a few features, when the quality of the RV should be the first consideration. I hope you understand.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you
I personally would have added Travel Supreme to that top 5 list of yours. Perhaps it’s on your top 10 and if not it really should be. I enjoy you content very much so please keep up the good work that you do.
Thanks Jeff. There are several more brands that I could recommend from that time period. It was sort of a golden age for Class A motorhomes. And yes, Travel Supreme would be a fine choice for a motorhome from that time period. Sadly they did not survive the 2008 financial crash and Jayco purchased their assets. Some say that Entegra is the modern descendant of Travel Supreme. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for supporting this channel Jeff!
So what might a shopper expect to pay for a certified inspection, plus the three fluid analysis?
I answered the question about RV inspection cost in this video - ua-cam.com/video/BxVViCeFCqU/v-deo.html But fluid analysis is harder to say. It varies a lot from one inspector to another. I think the video link I just gave you will be helpful though.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I just watched the video on inspections. Informative and inclusive as always. Thank you for the prompt response and the service to all of us UA-camrs that you provide.
@@dwrisdon2487 I'm glad it was helpful. And thanks for the positive feedback too!
THE PROBLEM WITH ANY COACH OLDER THAN 10 YEARS IS BEING WELCOMED IN ANY PARK A FEW PARKS HAVE THE YEAR 2000S THE CUTOFF BUT MOST HAVE A 10-YEAR CUT OFF
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This is a subject that you hear a lot about online, but the truth is that very few parks enforce the 10 year rule in practical application. We have stayed at campgrounds all over the country and have never once been denied entry based on the fact that our coach is a 2004. The only parks that seem to enforce such a rule are high end parks that have high camping rates anyway and want to appeal to a wealthier consumer.
I LIKE CLASSES BUT ESPECIALLY HIGH HORSEPOWER ONES WITH THE 600 HORSEPOWER CUMMINS ISX ENGINE AND A TRAILING
AXEL TO ME IT'S NOT A LUXURY COACH WITHOUT THAT AT THE ABILITY TO TOE ANYTING HEAVY LIKE A DOUBLE STACKER TRAILER
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Thanks for sharing your preference of Class A coach David.
Hello Dwayne I’m a new subscriber just want your opinion on purchasing one of the top of the line motor homes you recommend but I only can afford to buy in the 1997 to1999 range What were the quality back then. Thank you
Hi Ron. The top manufacturers and brands were more or less the same as the ones I mentioned in this video. But if you want a full list of my recommended older Class A motorhome brands, you can download it here - payhip.com/b/a2FUy I hope that helps.
Buy a country coach
Yes, Country Coach is a fine rig Steve. Thanks for watching!
Paper trail paper trail paper trail….
Thanks for watching Richard.