She attacked us because we’re a stranger breaking into her house looking for Miquela, after killing a dozen of her guards, tree guardians and pests…😂 If only our character could speak…
"I... got lost, and everyone was trying to kill me, I ran into your cleanrot knights all like: Hey do you know where I am? And then they started trying to stab me."
looking for Miquella? i just went there because i found a teleportation device. she spread her menses all over Caelid instead of being the "Blade of Miquella" like she claims, and be 200% sure Miquella was safe before doing anything else in her life. look at Wodan Ymir, hes the "Sword of Magus" he never left her unless totally sure she was safe. the impression is, Mohg outplayed her and she went mad because of the defeat she suffered. who knows what goes through her mind, none of my business anyway, was just passing.
I mean, you are a tarnished that killed a bunch of demigods on your search to complete the Elden Ring and Malenia has a great rune. You just hacked your way into one of the heavily guarded areas in the Lands Between. Why wouldn't she think you're out to kill her?
But, in the end. Patches is unbreakable. He lives longer than any other character in dark souls. He outlasts the gods, the Lord's, and even the first flame. He has no need to brag. His goal is to bring down those who are proud. That is why in his infinite years, he took no title. He claimed no lordship. He is simply Patches, and he is the unbreakable.
@@Benjamin1986980 i laughed my ass off when he told me "you're a gulable fellow but one i can trust" right before i shoved a +10 moonveil up his butthole for trying to kill me a zillion times what a clown.
@@the010og content may be cut if the intended story or themes don't coincide with what they want. Must be the reason here, and they might even want to go in a different direction with the DLC
@@username-ql8ox don't worry about it being cut. Given enough time, someone's gonna make a massive mod to reimplement the cut content in a massive mod. It's happened with all the souls games now, and Elden ring seems to be following suit. Pretty cool ngl. The modders of the souls community are nothing, if not dilligent.
I mean, blind people have other senses heightened so she could probably get a pretty close guess of where you are but not a exact one, which is why in her first phase she has bits between attacks where she’s just walking towards you before she attacks again, maybe trying your hear where you are exactly.
@@sebastiancompton2511 if you look at the boss fight area it has water on the ground she can hear us splash the water by walking and that's how she can find our location
>Trespasses into her secret tree hideout that is very deliberately hidden away. >Murders the majority of her guard without a second thought. >Breaks into her bedroom, armed and dangerous whilst she was taking a nap. >Doesn’t take the hint after she kills you 40 times. “Omg just hear me out you’re being unreasonable!”
About Malenia's fighting style: I think you're partly right about her being blind and not being able to pinpoint *exactly* where we are... ... but there are two things that deserve mention in that regard. First, the fact that her arena is filled with ankle-deep water is no coincidence. She definitely can tell our general location by the water noises. But second and most important, we know who her swordmaster was. He was the legendary *blind* swordsman, mentioned on the Prosthesis-wearer Heirloom and the Blue Dancer Charm. Regardless if her eyes were already covered at this point, her technique was always meant to fight blind. She's not just wildly swinging, these are calculated wild swings. The whole sword technique of her master is meant to emulate flowing waters, the antithesis to stagnant waters where rot festers.
This would have been pretty easy to build into the story :- 1. Find Miquella and mogh first 2. Find and fight malenia but only phase 1 3. When she is down, you tell her about Miquella 4. Go back to the mogwyn palace, and see Malenia distraught over the state of her brother. She finally goes mad, converts into Rot form, then you fight her again.
Malenia has literally gone mad at the point you meet her. Millicent states that she needs to return sth to Malenia „the will that was once her own, the dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the scarlet rot“ The moment Malenia allowed herself to bloom against Radahn, she succumbed to the Scarlet Rot, and Millicent, her „sense of self“ was split from her. Since we never manage to return Millicent to Malenia (because she dies mere meters from her location), Malenia never came to her senses again. Maybe Miquella could have saved her, but at the point you meet her, there was nothing you could do. Clearly indicated by the fact she turns into the Goddess of Rot in her second stage: she is no longer the Malenia „blade of Miquella“. That Malenia is gone
@@MisterK9739 yes. based on the current version of the story, your synopsis is correct, so it would require some changes to fit in with an updated version. But by seeing her brother die and having that send her mad instead could easily be feasible, as everything she has gone through has all been for him. To have it all for nothing would send anyone mad.
@@rollcageuk yeah but it still wouldn’t make sense cause she has been sitting there rotting for a long time she went mad way before we were brought to the lands between what was left was just a faint echo and that got extinguished but yeah you’d have to completely redo her story to fit your narrative 😅
@@jamesmoore4856 completely redo? not really. Just don't let her go completely mad. We know from her narrative that her only concern, even while mad was her brother. Apologising to him when you kill her means that is all she cares about. so, it would only require some small subtle changes. Ultimately, a story is only cannon if the writers decide it so, game makers can change what they want and how they want, so its no biggie. A As i said in my post, it would require changes, but would also fit into a new narrative, that seeing her brother dead and making all her effort and sacrifice for nothing could easily be the reason she goes completely mental.
@@rollcageuk That will make the fight against Malenia much easier, and seeing as she is an end game boss (never before have known defeat), and Mohgwyn Palace area is for severely lower level it won't make much sense.
5:55 I don't think that her constantly stating her name and that she's the blade of Miquella is out of pride, it's more on grasping her consciousness as she loosing her sanity... It's like the ramblings done by people who are affected by dementia and Alzheimer's disease.. it's more likely the rot also affects her brain, especially with how she looks like blind with the rot on her eyes..
Thank God you aren't like the other dude on here trying to correct the man's usage of pride while confusing the word pride with egotistical, at the same time as acting egotistical by being a dictionary police that ironically doesn't know shit about what he's even saying. It's like watching Italians call pizza fake Italian food, while half the Italians in New York own pizza joints. It's just dumb. It looks stupid on them. They could just shut the fuck up. But they have to be smartasses for no reason other than to tickle their ego
the rot grows stronger in stagnation, when shes just sitting around waiting it gets worse, when shes defeated it immediately blooms and mutates her, the only way to stop or reverse it is to keep moving, like the flowing blue waters of the warrior who sealed the rot away. physically or metaphorically it doesnt matter as long as something is being done. the reason she attacks you on sight is not because you are a tarnished but because you are an intruder to her and her brothers sacred chamber, it is a place for gods that you have no business being in.
It almost seems like the rot is deliberately trying to make her stagnant by taking away her legs and arms. When I got injured playing sports, it was easier to just stop training altogether instead of readapting my technique. That's why her prosthesis is so important. They keep her from growing stagnant. I also wonder if the reason there are these prostheses laying around in Shaded Castle for no reason is that Melania intended them for her Valkyries. I couldn't imagine that Melania didn't know at least as much as Gowry when it comes to what her ascension into Godhood would look like and that includes the fracturing of her soul that lead to the birth of her daughters. By ensuring they had access to prostheses, she was ensuring their independence and freedom. They wouldn't have to decay and die in order to be reborn as valkyries and fated to serve her. They would grow up as individuals and die as themselves. Unfortunately, only Millicent followed her mother's wishes, accepted her prostheses, and got to live free. So Malenia is a pretty good mom.
would’ve been so dope to have an npc version of Malenia be a summon for the Mohg fight. It couldve also been that after you defeated Mohg, Malenia’s there weeping for her brother, and then becomes the goddess of rot out of grief
I don't think Miquella is dead, I think his soul is in the Haligtree and its just his weird gestating body in the cacoon that Mohg stole, and that's why Mohg can't getting any kind of response out of him.
It'd be pretty sad if the outcome of telling her Miquella's location has a similar outcome to Anri being told where Horace is in DS3. There's no question she'd kill Mohg, but after that, what? Do we find a broken Malenia in Mohgwyn Palace, who's submitted herself to the formless mother in a last ditch effort to stay the rot? Or do we find Miquella's cocoon as it is now, only now there is a scarlet bloom right next to it?
Embracing the cocoon, perhaps, the rot merging with the tree in a futile, mad and ultimately destructive attempt at salvation. Unless there is a way to save them ourselves, yeah, all she can offer is to bring them into a shared damnation rather than a separate one.
@@AngriestPeanut Pretty sad that your first impulse after seeing someone be creative is to shame them. I thought Hectonkhyres comment was interesting and I enjoyed the flowery language.
I honestly believe that even without the influence of the Scarlet Rot, Malenia is mentally on the verge of a complete breakdown. By the time we find her the Haligtree has been entirely consumed by Rot and may of the innocent people who sought it for shelter have become rot zombies. In other words, Malenia has unwittingly destroyed her and Miquella's entire life's work just by existing - the Scarlet Rot is pouring out of her even when she's just sitting and doing nothing. The destruction of Caelid and all life within it probably also weighs on her conscience. It's pretty clear that Malenia, even in her weakened state, could probably still beat the remaining shard bearers and fix the Elden Ring... but that might just lead her to become the Goddess of Rot, a fate she wants to avoid at all costs. After all, the stress of battle against the PC does actually trigger her transformation. She's scared to leave her chamber, but unable to suppress the Rot growing inside her... all she can do is sit and hope Miquella somehow returns to her. By the time the PC kills her, I think she's at least somewhat relieved. Her long struggle has finally ended. She is at peace.
My thoughts exactly. I think Millicent is the manifestation of the part of her psyche she lost when she removed the unalloyed gold needle from her body and nuked Caelid. This was against everything Miquella stood for and it was completely the result of her obsession with never knowing defeat.
With how blooming works, she’s gonna be stuck with that burden forever. It’s kinda fucked tbh, to constantly be afflicted by the scarlet rot, and not even death can free you of that
Bad news is, she's not dead. Good news is, if you give her the Unalloyed Gold Needle, then she keeps her sense of self and can probably purge the Scarlet Rot at Farum Azula like you do with the Frenzied Flame.
Now after the DLC, we know that she knew exactly where Miquella is, and what his plan was along. She was waiting for Miquella to return as a god, and she tries to kill you as all Tarnished would be a threat to Miquella's ascension. From Soft knew what they were doing.
I think another thing they could have done is have you tell her but when you go to moghwehn palece (i cant spell) we find her enter the land of shadow none of the bosses are their we find many dead bodies and when we enter the radahn fight find melania trying to reason with miquella that he didn't need to do this to radahn and mohg miquellia gets angry and goes fine and takes radahns soul and force it in to malenia or take malenia's soul and force it into mohg making the fight harder at the buff of not needing to do the others also when her soul gets taken she might give you the power she got from the other bosses ( the remeberances and the runes) before the fight and a site of grace stops the first atack giving you time to set up. IDK that is just a though \_('_')_/
@@AhmOOO yeah thats why he was too busy riding radagon like radagon rides his horse instead of keeping his promise to Miquella to save her from her scarlet rot affliction once he reaches godhood.
I long thought of a way to make her not want to kill us, imo it should be; When she's defeated for the 1st time in phase 1, instead of just going through the cutscene instantly, she would just fall on her knees and you can either attack her to transition to phase 2 OR you can stab her with the unalloyed gold needle you got from Millicent. (This choice would only appear the very first time you defeat her 1st phase) She would then totally understand you are trying to help and you could be given the chance to speak to her.
I’d like to disagree. If Melanie’s reason to fight is to not lose and to not lose herself. Being defeated(1st phase) should make her more aggressive(like how she is now). I think the interaction between you and her should be at the end. Before she dies. And only if you carry perhaps the golden needle as a prerequisite. Using the golden needle will prolong her life just enough to carry the interaction. I think this would keep that from soft feeling of not being able to save someone you love. Or believe that she should have the right to live. While also providing closure to her story line even if it’s just for a moment.
@@lennongarcia9642 I can agree that the interaction could be at the end of phase 2, but I hardly disagree that the interaction should kill her right after... this could lead to an awesome questline into the dlc and in the dlc she could be a recurring character like Millicent, that at the end of said questline, she thinks you want to betray her and her brother (as the cut questline seemed to be going for, in which she said something along the lines of; -Dear tarnished, you want to take more from my brother than he already gave you? No... I will not allow this... You shall have to kill me first. I dont exactly remember her lines but it went along with that, and I think this could be a fitting end for her, really protecting her brother and the fight could be much more personal now that we got to know her and travel with her)
@@lennongarcia9642 That would deff work but I feel like the game is already ultra sad. It would be nice if we could actually save someone for once, you know?
Fun little thought When you talk about Malenia’s reaction to Miquella in the cocoon in Mohgwyn Palace, you neglected her blindness. So to add onto the tragedy of the potential scene, she may not even know Miquella has been altered, she may in fact ignorantly be hopeful and happy with what is basically a malformed corpse Or of course she could touch his hand and feel some difference or something. But either way there’s definitely a lot of way the potential Malenia meeting Miquella in Mohgwyn Palace scene could still be a sad ending
@@VERGILGASM isn't Malenia technically still alive too? She blooms a 4th time after the fight and you can even interact with the flower (offering it a golden needle for example, if you did that quest line). If that's the case then it's plausible that she could come back on her own, or maybe even by Miquella prematurely yanking her out of her own "cocoon"
I imagined some possibilities for this: First go to mohg and kill him Then go to malenia and since she doesn’t know us she’ll immediately attack us but after we beat her first phase, she’ll be on her knees and we’ll get the option to either “finish” her off thus starting her second phase or wait a few seconds and then be given the option to talk to her (like we had with patches) and tell her where her brother is Then we’ll head back to mohg’s palace and find her there in distraught at how she found her bother and in a state of anguish and delirium, she’ll bloom and attack anything that moves forcing us to fight her again but in the palace thus giving them the sad ending FromSoft alway has a hard on for. If we don’t go to mohg first however then nothing will change or after her first phase we can tell her that we can help her find him and the rest is the same as the first one or we just fight her like in the normal game and won’t have the miquella quest line available.
@@MaidenlessScrub boggart only ends badly if you do the one thing he tells you not to do. Millicent ends fine. Irina isn't even a person past one interaction. D attacks another person. Fia still wins im the end and also dies because you do a stupid thing you don't have to do. Blaidd I'll grant you, but Iji removes his own protection
@@johnw.lennon1366 "don't mess with dung eater" -boggart You don't have to let Dung Eater out to play the game (or you can kill him when you open the cell).
5:02 Malenia actually doesn't do random movements or attacks due to her blindness. It's actually deeper than this. When the scarlet rot took over her eyes, she was trained by another blind swordsman that represents the water of the lands between, the sole enemy of the scarlet rot, because he knew she was suffering by it. And the guidance he gave her was primordial for her survival because he teached her on how to deal with the scarlet rot, which is being like water, aways be moving, never standing in one place, so that the rot doesn't circulates through her body, it's not random that her signature attack is called WATERfowl dance, that's her desperate attempt to stay on the move and fight the rot, and to keep the memories of her mentor alive in her every slash. Her condition got worse, however, when she fought Raddan because, for the first time in a milenia, she let the scarlet rot take over her body. She stopped moving. She wasn't like water anymore, and the consequences of that were the great Aonia, her first bloom, all of Caelid were turned into rot because of that
@mh6276 The rot was indeed progressing throughout the years, such as one point in time, she was just a normal kid. However, I didn't find any item description or lore piece that indicated what color her eyes were. If I were to take a guess, I'd say it would be golden just like her mother, father, and brother.
To be fair at this point I've carved my way through the entire continent and killed every shardbearer I've found aside from Renalla I have this small theory that Shardbearers can sense if the person they're facing is also a shardbearer.
It definitely holds logic. Beings of power naturally emit influence on all spectrums in these settings. Plus, I don't think we're the first Tarnished to approach her even before the current setting. Tarnished itself is a term that goes all the way back to Godfrey and his armies, so it lends credence that if she doesn't know them by skill than certaonly by lore.
This isn’t really backed up by game mechanics though, as we can pick and choose which shardbearers we kill, yet all boss interactions are the same. We could go straight to Rykard without taking on another shardbearer and the interaction is the same
@@crywlf9103You can't get to Malenia without defeating at least one shardbearer: Morgott. The path to the Mountaintops (and the other half of the medallion) is blocked otherwise. You're guaranteed to be a shardbearer when facing Malenia (unless you glitch and content-skip into Consecrated Snowfield or the Haligtree).
I loved the haligtree because i felt like a villain going through it. Those enemies just straight up look like they’re supposed to be the good guys and theres even a few soldiers who don’t attack unless they see you progressing too far past them. You can literally just sit next to one of them and chill.
3:26 I love that just a one off side conversation straight up confirms you’re an assassin of the greater will sent to kill the gods and take their place lol. Not super significant in spite of all that happens but it adds another level of badassery to your adventures
Would have been really cool if you could straight up tell her where Miquella is if you went to Mogwyn. It would start a side quest akin to the one with Millicent, where she's gonna meet you in the blood swamp section. You traverse the entire place with her, killing enemies in an amazing tag team until you reach Mogh's room, where Malenia realizes what actually happened to her brother. I picture her just falling on her knees, speechless and motionless. (If you talk to her, only the '''...'' would appear and she doesn't even face you.) Then you can return to the Haligtree, where you find her in her boss room. At this point she would have nothing more to lose, but she asks you one last favor: the possibility to die as Malenia, Blade of Miquella, before the Scarlet Rot takes over her mind completely. He chooses you as her final opponent because she recognizes you as her equal, a friend, a worthy someone to entrust her shard to. I know that Fromsoft doesn't really like to turn bosses into allies, not like this at least, but it would have been really cool, and wouldn't alter the thing too much.
I think it relates a lot to the cut content as well. Because she does deliver weird lines which makes it seem like she knows you, and as if she was confused you attacked her.
Malenia lost herself when she had released the rot against Radahn. She had to abandon her morals and pride to let the rot take control. Millicent's story gave us a "happy ending" of sorts. You essentially do the same for her as Miquella did for Malenia to quell her rot. You allow her the satisfaction of fighting alongside you to regain that which she lost and be herself again. Just some of my observations.
I think a malenia based quest line off of what you said probably could work in this game. Say whenever you finish phase one she kinda drops to her knees in exhaustion and there’s some dialogue of her questioning her brother’s whereabouts that eventually gives you the option to tell her where he is. It would be kinda like millicents quest where you meet her in certain locations but you need to re direct her due to the rot influencing and basically eating her brain. Whenever she finally gets to the cocoon she has some sort of sad dialogue about her brother being in that state and then ends up killing herself seppuku style in front of us and it drops the great rune and remembrance but no runes. I’m sure other people could come up with a better quest but just thought it was a cool idea.
Sad they changed Milicent quest from being Malenia to a new char (Milicent). It would be epic to find her without memory, recover her arm and then have a tragic end fight with her.
Malenia is the embodiment of "Woke up and chose violence". I am so glad someone made this video cuz i was wondering as well of why we couldnt have a conversation with her especially seeing that(if you followed the questline) we had the golden needle to save her. In my eyes and im sure there are other that agree with me, Malenia is still alive along with Mogh as well because they both were optional fights, hopefully the DLC will piece together all remaining questions and theories we all had up to this point
It's like if someone broke into your home covered in blood while carrying a machete. It's easy to understand why she attacks us, every other boss really.
Them being optional bosses does not by any way indicate that they are still alive. Malenia attacked us because she is completely delusional, Millicent was the embodiment of her „will, dignity, sense of self, to resist the scarlet rot“ which she split off by blooming against Radahn. And depending on whether you finish Millicents quest or not you either: don‘t return Millicent/her sense of self to her, or Millicent dies (one way or another) before being able to reconnect with Malenia. All of this clearly indicates that Malenia has lost her self and her will to live. I‘m pretty sure that she was glad when we slayed her, her last words didn‘t carry any sentiment against us. Only sadness that she lost Miquella
@@MisterK9739 she also goes ape on you when you show up because she's been comatose since the war with radahn and doesnt even know her brother is gone from his cocoon. then you show up radiating all that demigod power you've taken and she wakes up to defend an empty cradle from what she would think is one of the other demigods trying to take their great runes.
I know this is late but I don’t think the demigods we fight actually die with the expectation of Godwyn who was kill with the rune of death (half killed) so it makes sense that they become dormant after there defeat of course this is only speculation
I think it's not only "Greed" that drives certain Tarnished to seek more than two great runes, it's also about consolidation of power and the elimination of possible rivals/usurpers.
Malenia is arguably the only boss for whom the dodge mechanic actually works. Most bosses you can attack off to one side and have a 50/50 chance they'll dodge right into it, which is weird for most but makes sense for a literal blind woman who just hears you winding up for an attack and guesses it's probably aimed at her.
Her mind is consumed by rot, she barely remembers who she is, that's why she attacks on sight. I gave this a thought and this looks like the most wholesome explanation. Taking her with you against Mohg is not the best idea (if you want to fix things - yeah, I read some fanfiction and have some ideas myself), even if she's conscious and aware, considering what she's done to Radahn.
She attacked us because you're after her great rune. She knows we are out to kill her the same way we are out to kill all the other demi gods. After all tarnished all have the same fate. To kill the demi gods and become the elden lord.
Tarnished wants Great Runes and to take out the competition(just like Godfrey did). Besides, someone invades your home covered in blood while carrying a machete, what do you do?
I’d like to mention that the radahn festival is held to give the great general an honorable death in battle since radahn and the guy that starts the festival(I forgot his name) made a promise that when they die, it would be in battle and honorably. (I’m not 100% sure on that but I remember hearing something like this)
The one thing to remember in Elden Ring is that we have almost ZERO agency. Anything and everything that happens does so because it was ordained for us to do so. We're in the lands between specifically because we were meant to be there. The problem with talking to anyone before or after certain events happen, which would cause us to not fight them isn't a choice we'd ever be able to make. Not just because FROMSFOT wants to make us cry, but because in the story, we were never meant to have that choice to begin with.
>Talk to Malenia >Tell her Mogh has been booty clapping Miquella at his creepy blood palace >Malenia leaves to find her brother >Travel to Moghwyn Palace >Find Malenia fully rotted, crazed, and inconsolable as to what has befallen Miquella >Fight a super ROT Goddess Malenia Either way, there'd be no escaping having to put Malenia down. It's bound to happen.
I fully believe situations like this are where From Soft were fighting producers. Things like the cut merchant quest-line prove that idea even further imo.
Hewg says about the tarnished that: "you came to challenge the demi gods and their god" so I'm guessing if I'm a demigod and I see a Tarnished, I can deduce why they are here.
@@TheBlueKing10t I do believe she was charmed to some extend, she abandoned her pride, undid all the effort that miquella went through to quell her scarlet rot. Yet she throws it away just so that miquella could become a god. Miquella abandoned her yet she still follows him. I do think they were close since birth but malenia abandoning everything does require some charm in my opinion.
This makes you really wonder how the new upcoming DLC content is going to link back to established lore. Maybe we'll get some new dialogue with her? Or other characters based on our actions in it? Considering person on (what looks to be) Torrent, looks to be Miquella.
An interesting twist to being able to tell Malenia where Miquella is would be if you return to his cocoon you would find a distress Malenia who loses all hope and surrender herself to the Rot. Driven mad with grief she blooms and we fight her phase 2 in the sight of the cocoon as she has been driven mad with grief.
Marika's children were all told. Become something great, or be sacrificed. They failed to become something great. As such they were sacrificed to the Tarnished so they could become the new Elden Lord. Malenia simply though we were here to "Sacrifice" them for our goal. A reasonable assumption. Why else would a Tarnished enter her home.
We might get that chance to ask her, if I’m correct that might be her 3rd bloom as Ol Bug daddy was speaking of, after the 3rd bloom she becomes a God
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Seeing this after learning who mikella really is is complelty different. About her losing, she never lost, the scarlet rot is her true power, on her fight we actually fought against her peak when she became a goddess.
Malenia boss stage/arena is so interesting because she's still have an advantage, even though she's blind and can't see you, she can still absolutely hear you. Because of the water present in the ground, she can hear where the enemy is by hearing the splashing sound. Even if the enemy is in the dry spot of the arena Malenia can still hear where the enemy is because of the dry twigs, sticks and leaves that can make a lot of sound if getting stepped on.
Jerren and Radahn promised each other to see that each one dies a honorable death, so Jerren holds festivals to see Radahn die in battle, not to scarlet rot.
Maybe FromSoft thought the same way, but changed their minds at the last second. Miquella does wear a ring on his finger in Mohg's Palace we could have took the ring back to Malenia and that would have resulted in a different cutscene or option to fight her or not . I think I heard someone else say it was in the game files that Miquella's ring could have been removed at some point.
What would’ve been cool is you fight her phase 1 and after you beat her and she calms down you tell her where her brother is and she leaves to rescue him. But after that you can return to mohg palace and you find her in a state of despair after she finds him and she gives into the rot in which you have to mercy kill her. So no matter what you fight her and kill her but like sif one options is way more depressing but fleshed out.
Because we invaded her home, killed her people, we are the chosen by the two fingers to kill all the demigods and steal their shit of which one of them is Miquella.
The best thing ever would've been 1.) you die to mohg, 2.) you find Malenia and fight her to her phase transition, 3.) you tell her where Miquella is, 4.) you go back to Mohg, summon Malenia as a cooperator, and they have a battle to the death where there's a cut scene in which Malenia transitions to her second form to defeat Mohg and dies in the process. Her heartfelt apology to Miquella would've made SOOOOOO much more sense.
It makes no sense Mogh can even challenge her in god form let alone she dies in that fight. If Mogh was stronger than her he wouldn’t wait for her to go away and steal Miquella then proceeded to hide lol.
People overcomplicate this in Elden Ring. Player character is Tarnished who is there to put the demi-gods to the sword. They have Grace which is discerned from the eyes. All of the demi-gods know the tarnished will come for them to claim their shards and to restore the Elden Ring.
Thank you.. it's so simple. I don't know why people overcomplicate it. The Tarnished is either there for her Great Rune or to defeat her as a future potential threat to our new order, or both.
The big reason I would have liked if Malenia went to Mohgwyn Palace is to see if the Rot and Blood outer gods would have had some direct interaction. There's not much reason I can think of other than from trolling the players, but imagine if the gods joined forces and you had to fight some bleed/rot boss. For as many secrets as there are in this games I'm surprised there isn't a super secret boss like this could've been. Either way a lot could been done here and I'm excited to see if there are any changes! This game has so much potential and I think regardless of what we guess, dlc is gonna surprise us!
Makes sense why there is water on the floor in the arena u fight malenia since she is blind makes it easier for her to pin point the tarnish by listening to the foot steps
I certainly would’ve been very interested in an “Order of Rot” type ending as well. I hope to see this potential applied in DLC. I’ve got a save file where I’ve done pretty much everything except kill Malenia and burn the Erdtree. I’m waiting for Miquella to be reborn and see what can be done.
As something rather unique and unexpected, a bug happened on my file. I haven’t burned the Erdtree (I prefer it’s original appearance+Leyndell). So if it isn’t burned, I shouldn’t have acces to Farum Azula. However, without me knowing how exactly it happened, access was granted to me to the “Dragonlord Placidusax” site of Grace. I went in, directly spawned right by the boss and killed him.
The potential is insane because if I go and kill Malenia now I can bug my file irreparably. (I have the whole Haligtree discovered up to the roots but I’m leaving her alive on purpose for the DLC). If I end her, and go to Placidusax’s now empty arena, which I can freely travel to and from, I can use the Unnalloyed Gold Needle, the complete one, and remove the Flame of Frenzy. This means I would have no means to burn the Erdtree whatsoever. Melina has already abandoned me.
I think if we ever get to interact with Miquella then there should be a specific interaction where Miquella can sense if you have his sisters rune and maybe is more aggressive towards us.
@@Krystalmyth In DS3 one DLC boss has unique dialogue concerning your optional choices in main game, and main game NPC has some additional dialogue concerning DLC boss. So there is good chance for some dialogue, but probably not anything more than that.
I think that the rot first began in her mind. It is an outer god, so it would make sense for it to begin taking over her by starting in her brain. That’s why she seems delusional, because it’s eroding her sense of self, trying to make her believe she will be the new goddess of rot. So that’s why she’s so affirmative.
I think Malenia knowing where her brother is and see the state he in will change nothing in the end I believe she will lose all hope and just let the Scarlet Rot consume her
The loss of her limbs is not from the firght with Radhan or after that, all the unalloyed gold parts of her body were forged thanks to Miquella and are much older than the shattering. We can easily guess it is the same case for her eyes. But they also might have been damaged when she bloomed against Radhan. As for the reason of the fight against the MC, we can guess that she wants to protect her great rune. But it seems to be a clanky reason as she only lives to serve her twin brother. As she always repeats, she is the blade of Miquella, not his champion, *just* a blade. Another interesting reason is also one of the possible reason for her fight against Radhan: she does it for Miquella, because the tarnished (MC) is an empyrean, chosen by the greater will and the two fingers, just the same as Miquella. To ensure her brother could ascend to godhood and free himself of his curse, she has to eliminate competition.
My two cents on why she fights Radhan: At castle Sol we learn that Miquella and his followers were waiting for a foretold eclipse that never came to happen; Radhan is holding the stars and, with them, the fates of the demi-gods. Perhaps Malena was trying to,get Radhan to let the stars go.
Yes, this is one of the popular theories because the stars are often a metaphor for fate and destiny. Another reason I like is that she wants her brother back. Miquella had just been kidnapped when Malenia started to march south. It's quite logical to go in this direction, knowing the location of Mogh's palace (south of the Haligtree, but underground). She could have heard her brother had been taken away southwards, and she would have begun her rampage in all the places south of the Haligtree (Goderick's been defeated before her fight against her stepbrother). Amyway, all those are theories, mayne we'll have some answers in the upcoming DLCs.
You literally cannot become elden lord without being an empyrean. And there is a dialogue after defeating one of the demi-gods where one of the fingers-readers tells you you're recognized as a candidate to become elden lord, hence an empyrean.
She cannot see and we do not speak. In our not telling her that we know where Miquella is it leads to combat over 2 strangers. If we could inform her of it, she would likely become an immediate ally
Now hear me out, we fight first phase tell her the location of miquella travel there and we she see him like that she loses her mind and second phase starts
Repectfully, you're wrong. At around 5:00, you tell us that she "wildly swings her sword around herself" which is where you made an error. What she's actually doing is using waterfowl dance, as you said, but this attack is different than you may have initially thought. She's not "wildly swinging her sword," she's beautifully reciting a technique taught to her by a blind swordsman long ago, that was developed to attempt to stop the spread of her scarlet rot. That's why it's called "waterfowl dance," the movements mimic flowing water, a counter to the scarlet rot, which thrives in stagnant water (i.e. lake of rot). With all due respect, she's not "wildly swinging her sword," she's fighting to save herself, as you mentioned.
She attacked us because we’re a stranger breaking into her house looking for Miquela, after killing a dozen of her guards, tree guardians and pests…😂 If only our character could speak…
Well, protagonist clearly speaks because he/she asks npcs about things. It's just FromSoftware things there are no voice lines
"I... got lost, and everyone was trying to kill me, I ran into your cleanrot knights all like: Hey do you know where I am?
And then they started trying to stab me."
_Walks into boss room_
"Yo, Malenia, I know where Miq-"
_gets stabbed in the chest_
looking for Miquella? i just went there because i found a teleportation device.
she spread her menses all over Caelid instead of being the "Blade of Miquella" like she claims, and be 200% sure Miquella was safe before doing anything else in her life. look at Wodan Ymir, hes the "Sword of Magus" he never left her unless totally sure she was safe. the impression is, Mohg outplayed her and she went mad because of the defeat she suffered. who knows what goes through her mind, none of my business anyway, was just passing.
I mean, you are a tarnished that killed a bunch of demigods on your search to complete the Elden Ring and Malenia has a great rune. You just hacked your way into one of the heavily guarded areas in the Lands Between. Why wouldn't she think you're out to kill her?
The way you describe Malenia fighting to not lose herself reminds me of Patches telling himself that he's unbreakable.
This is Elden Ring mate, not Elden Feels.
Void be damned some ninjas are cutting onions near me.
Hey thats me
But, in the end. Patches is unbreakable. He lives longer than any other character in dark souls. He outlasts the gods, the Lord's, and even the first flame.
He has no need to brag. His goal is to bring down those who are proud.
That is why in his infinite years, he took no title. He claimed no lordship. He is simply Patches, and he is the unbreakable.
Getting Sundowner "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE" vibes
@@Benjamin1986980 i laughed my ass off when he told me "you're a gulable fellow but one i can trust" right before i shoved a +10 moonveil up his butthole for trying to kill me a zillion times what a clown.
Cut content basically confirmed that Miquela and Malenia did originally have a quest where you could help them, but it was axed late in development
I really wanna help the twins. FromSoft would do so much good with adding more interaction to their characters. Bosses included.
Dude that sucks. I’d totally help the two. I wonder why it got axed. That would be a cool storyline
@@the010og Maybe… future dlc content??? hopefully
@@the010og content may be cut if the intended story or themes don't coincide with what they want. Must be the reason here, and they might even want to go in a different direction with the DLC
@@username-ql8ox don't worry about it being cut. Given enough time, someone's gonna make a massive mod to reimplement the cut content in a massive mod. It's happened with all the souls games now, and Elden ring seems to be following suit. Pretty cool ngl. The modders of the souls community are nothing, if not dilligent.
5:11 "Malenia can't pinpoint where we are" bro did we fight different bosses??
@@sebastiancompton2511 lol
Yeah, that was dumb as hell
I mean, blind people have other senses heightened so she could probably get a pretty close guess of where you are but not a exact one, which is why in her first phase she has bits between attacks where she’s just walking towards you before she attacks again, maybe trying your hear where you are exactly.
I mean you can literally made her attack nothingness a lot if you don’t point her…
@@sebastiancompton2511 if you look at the boss fight area it has water on the ground she can hear us splash the water by walking and that's how she can find our location
>Trespasses into her secret tree hideout that is very deliberately hidden away.
>Murders the majority of her guard without a second thought.
>Breaks into her bedroom, armed and dangerous whilst she was taking a nap.
>Doesn’t take the hint after she kills you 40 times.
“Omg just hear me out you’re being unreasonable!”
Yeah it's like sneaking into the White House. Like yeah, we obviously don't belong there. Same logic applies to every legacy dungeon really.
She was asleep. How would she know how we got there?
@@MadamePianissima you wouldn’t know it, but the Haligtree Medallion REALLY smells like cherries. The scent woke her up.
So I don’t belong there?
Racism
Everyone else was allowed but just because I’m tarnished I don’t deserve to be a part of the Haligtree
I ran past them mfs
I’m a pacifist
A black knife assassin killed Loretta
I do notice that in Malenias arena its full of water so she can hear every step you take
And all the blood spilled by all the other players
She’ll watching you 🎶
as she is blind there is no way she can fight otherwise...
About Malenia's fighting style: I think you're partly right about her being blind and not being able to pinpoint *exactly* where we are...
... but there are two things that deserve mention in that regard.
First, the fact that her arena is filled with ankle-deep water is no coincidence. She definitely can tell our general location by the water noises.
But second and most important, we know who her swordmaster was. He was the legendary *blind* swordsman, mentioned on the Prosthesis-wearer Heirloom and the Blue Dancer Charm. Regardless if her eyes were already covered at this point, her technique was always meant to fight blind. She's not just wildly swinging, these are calculated wild swings. The whole sword technique of her master is meant to emulate flowing waters, the antithesis to stagnant waters where rot festers.
Funnily enough, if you do the Spread Out gesture, almost every one of her attacks will go RIGHT over you.
Man I hope the Sordsman is featured in the dlc, He seems like SUCH a big deal.
wow really???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????@@TheActualMrLink
tbh she might be echolocating using the noise from her sword swings when she uses waterfowl
goated comment
This would have been pretty easy to build into the story :-
1. Find Miquella and mogh first
2. Find and fight malenia but only phase 1
3. When she is down, you tell her about Miquella
4. Go back to the mogwyn palace, and see Malenia distraught over the state of her brother. She finally goes mad, converts into Rot form, then you fight her again.
Malenia has literally gone mad at the point you meet her. Millicent states that she needs to return sth to Malenia „the will that was once her own, the dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the scarlet rot“
The moment Malenia allowed herself to bloom against Radahn, she succumbed to the Scarlet Rot, and Millicent, her „sense of self“ was split from her.
Since we never manage to return Millicent to Malenia (because she dies mere meters from her location), Malenia never came to her senses again.
Maybe Miquella could have saved her, but at the point you meet her, there was nothing you could do. Clearly indicated by the fact she turns into the Goddess of Rot in her second stage: she is no longer the Malenia „blade of Miquella“. That Malenia is gone
@@MisterK9739 yes. based on the current version of the story, your synopsis is correct, so it would require some changes to fit in with an updated version.
But by seeing her brother die and having that send her mad instead could easily be feasible, as everything she has gone through has all been for him. To have it all for nothing would send anyone mad.
@@rollcageuk yeah but it still wouldn’t make sense cause she has been sitting there rotting for a long time she went mad way before we were brought to the lands between what was left was just a faint echo and that got extinguished but yeah you’d have to completely redo her story to fit your narrative 😅
@@jamesmoore4856 completely redo? not really. Just don't let her go completely mad. We know from her narrative that her only concern, even while mad was her brother. Apologising to him when you kill her means that is all she cares about. so, it would only require some small subtle changes. Ultimately, a story is only cannon if the writers decide it so, game makers can change what they want and how they want, so its no biggie. A
As i said in my post, it would require changes, but would also fit into a new narrative, that seeing her brother dead and making all her effort and sacrifice for nothing could easily be the reason she goes completely mental.
@@rollcageuk That will make the fight against Malenia much easier, and seeing as she is an end game boss (never before have known defeat), and Mohgwyn Palace area is for severely lower level it won't make much sense.
“Cuz she can’t exactly pin point where we are”
*Proceeds to oneshot from a mile away as soon as the cutscene ends*
maybe she used echolocation xD
She smelled you, obviously.
I think it's all the water and leaves in the grass.
5:55 I don't think that her constantly stating her name and that she's the blade of Miquella is out of pride, it's more on grasping her consciousness as she loosing her sanity... It's like the ramblings done by people who are affected by dementia and Alzheimer's disease.. it's more likely the rot also affects her brain, especially with how she looks like blind with the rot on her eyes..
Thank God you aren't like the other dude on here trying to correct the man's usage of pride while confusing the word pride with egotistical, at the same time as acting egotistical by being a dictionary police that ironically doesn't know shit about what he's even saying.
It's like watching Italians call pizza fake Italian food, while half the Italians in New York own pizza joints. It's just dumb. It looks stupid on them. They could just shut the fuck up. But they have to be smartasses for no reason other than to tickle their ego
the rot grows stronger in stagnation, when shes just sitting around waiting it gets worse, when shes defeated it immediately blooms and mutates her, the only way to stop or reverse it is to keep moving, like the flowing blue waters of the warrior who sealed the rot away. physically or metaphorically it doesnt matter as long as something is being done. the reason she attacks you on sight is not because you are a tarnished but because you are an intruder to her and her brothers sacred chamber, it is a place for gods that you have no business being in.
It almost seems like the rot is deliberately trying to make her stagnant by taking away her legs and arms. When I got injured playing sports, it was easier to just stop training altogether instead of readapting my technique.
That's why her prosthesis is so important. They keep her from growing stagnant. I also wonder if the reason there are these prostheses laying around in Shaded Castle for no reason is that Melania intended them for her Valkyries. I couldn't imagine that Melania didn't know at least as much as Gowry when it comes to what her ascension into Godhood would look like and that includes the fracturing of her soul that lead to the birth of her daughters.
By ensuring they had access to prostheses, she was ensuring their independence and freedom. They wouldn't have to decay and die in order to be reborn as valkyries and fated to serve her. They would grow up as individuals and die as themselves. Unfortunately, only Millicent followed her mother's wishes, accepted her prostheses, and got to live free.
So Malenia is a pretty good mom.
@@TheRisky9in the most absurd, FromSoft, roundabout-ass way…yeah.
would’ve been so dope to have an npc version of Malenia be a summon for the Mohg fight. It couldve also been that after you defeated Mohg, Malenia’s there weeping for her brother, and then becomes the goddess of rot out of grief
This is a sick idea. I dig this!
cool idea, wouldve had to change hella lore though
that would be incredible
i mean from the lore standpoint she would absolutely annihilate Mohg by herself
I don't think Miquella is dead, I think his soul is in the Haligtree and its just his weird gestating body in the cacoon that Mohg stole, and that's why Mohg can't getting any kind of response out of him.
It'd be pretty sad if the outcome of telling her Miquella's location has a similar outcome to Anri being told where Horace is in DS3. There's no question she'd kill Mohg, but after that, what? Do we find a broken Malenia in Mohgwyn Palace, who's submitted herself to the formless mother in a last ditch effort to stay the rot? Or do we find Miquella's cocoon as it is now, only now there is a scarlet bloom right next to it?
Embracing the cocoon, perhaps, the rot merging with the tree in a futile, mad and ultimately destructive attempt at salvation.
Unless there is a way to save them ourselves, yeah, all she can offer is to bring them into a shared damnation rather than a separate one.
@@Hectonkhyres Bro think he writing a fan fic 💀
@@AngriestPeanut dumbass thinks theorizing about a game's written story based off of character interaction is the same as fanfiction 💀☠️💀
@@AngriestPeanut Pretty sad that your first impulse after seeing someone be creative is to shame them. I thought Hectonkhyres comment was interesting and I enjoyed the flowery language.
@@AngriestPeanut fragile masculinity
I honestly believe that even without the influence of the Scarlet Rot, Malenia is mentally on the verge of a complete breakdown. By the time we find her the Haligtree has been entirely consumed by Rot and may of the innocent people who sought it for shelter have become rot zombies. In other words, Malenia has unwittingly destroyed her and Miquella's entire life's work just by existing - the Scarlet Rot is pouring out of her even when she's just sitting and doing nothing. The destruction of Caelid and all life within it probably also weighs on her conscience.
It's pretty clear that Malenia, even in her weakened state, could probably still beat the remaining shard bearers and fix the Elden Ring... but that might just lead her to become the Goddess of Rot, a fate she wants to avoid at all costs. After all, the stress of battle against the PC does actually trigger her transformation. She's scared to leave her chamber, but unable to suppress the Rot growing inside her... all she can do is sit and hope Miquella somehow returns to her.
By the time the PC kills her, I think she's at least somewhat relieved. Her long struggle has finally ended. She is at peace.
I’m 99% sure malenia is still alive after your battle with her she’s just in a recovery state
My thoughts exactly. I think Millicent is the manifestation of the part of her psyche she lost when she removed the unalloyed gold needle from her body and nuked Caelid. This was against everything Miquella stood for and it was completely the result of her obsession with never knowing defeat.
With how blooming works, she’s gonna be stuck with that burden forever. It’s kinda fucked tbh, to constantly be afflicted by the scarlet rot, and not even death can free you of that
Bad news is, she's not dead.
Good news is, if you give her the Unalloyed Gold Needle, then she keeps her sense of self and can probably purge the Scarlet Rot at Farum Azula like you do with the Frenzied Flame.
@@theawickward2255imagine summoning Melania to fight a boss
Now after the DLC, we know that she knew exactly where Miquella is, and what his plan was along. She was waiting for Miquella to return as a god, and she tries to kill you as all Tarnished would be a threat to Miquella's ascension. From Soft knew what they were doing.
I think another thing they could have done is have you tell her but when you go to moghwehn palece (i cant spell) we find her enter the land of shadow none of the bosses are their we find many dead bodies and when we enter the radahn fight find melania trying to reason with miquella that he didn't need to do this to radahn and mohg miquellia gets angry and goes fine and takes radahns soul and force it in to malenia or take malenia's soul and force it into mohg making the fight harder at the buff of not needing to do the others also when her soul gets taken she might give you the power she got from the other bosses ( the remeberances and the runes) before the fight and a site of grace stops the first atack giving you time to set up. IDK that is just a though \_('_')_/
lol right
Idk, I saw it as her being abandoned by Miquella. She only knew about Radahn.
You don’t even have to fight her to get into the DLC.
@@AhmOOO yeah thats why he was too busy riding radagon like radagon rides his horse instead of keeping his promise to Miquella to save her from her scarlet rot affliction once he reaches godhood.
@@AhmOOO Me too. She doesn't care about Miquella anymore because he betrayed her.
I long thought of a way to make her not want to kill us, imo it should be;
When she's defeated for the 1st time in phase 1, instead of just going through the cutscene instantly, she would just fall on her knees and you can either attack her to transition to phase 2 OR you can stab her with the unalloyed gold needle you got from Millicent. (This choice would only appear the very first time you defeat her 1st phase)
She would then totally understand you are trying to help and you could be given the chance to speak to her.
Thank you
I’d like to disagree.
If Melanie’s reason to fight is to not lose and to not lose herself. Being defeated(1st phase) should make her more aggressive(like how she is now).
I think the interaction between you and her should be at the end. Before she dies. And only if you carry perhaps the golden needle as a prerequisite. Using the golden needle will prolong her life just enough to carry the interaction.
I think this would keep that from soft feeling of not being able to save someone you love. Or believe that she should have the right to live. While also providing closure to her story line even if it’s just for a moment.
MOODERS, TAKE NOTES
@@lennongarcia9642 I can agree that the interaction could be at the end of phase 2, but I hardly disagree that the interaction should kill her right after... this could lead to an awesome questline into the dlc and in the dlc she could be a recurring character like Millicent, that at the end of said questline, she thinks you want to betray her and her brother (as the cut questline seemed to be going for, in which she said something along the lines of;
-Dear tarnished, you want to take more from my brother than he already gave you? No... I will not allow this... You shall have to kill me first.
I dont exactly remember her lines but it went along with that, and I think this could be a fitting end for her, really protecting her brother and the fight could be much more personal now that we got to know her and travel with her)
@@lennongarcia9642 That would deff work but I feel like the game is already ultra sad. It would be nice if we could actually save someone for once, you know?
Fun little thought
When you talk about Malenia’s reaction to Miquella in the cocoon in Mohgwyn Palace, you neglected her blindness. So to add onto the tragedy of the potential scene, she may not even know Miquella has been altered, she may in fact ignorantly be hopeful and happy with what is basically a malformed corpse
Or of course she could touch his hand and feel some difference or something.
But either way there’s definitely a lot of way the potential Malenia meeting Miquella in Mohgwyn Palace scene could still be a sad ending
Actually Miquella is still alive, but isn't mentally in the palace. The DLC confirmed it (kinda).
@@VERGILGASM Could be in the past or alternate timeline/dimension. So no it's not completely confirmed Miquella is alive. But quite likely still.
@@VERGILGASM isn't Malenia technically still alive too? She blooms a 4th time after the fight and you can even interact with the flower (offering it a golden needle for example, if you did that quest line). If that's the case then it's plausible that she could come back on her own, or maybe even by Miquella prematurely yanking her out of her own "cocoon"
@@FauxRegard Yes
@@FauxRegard she blooms twice, the others are her Valkyries. Once against Radhan, and the other against the Tarnished Elden Lord.
I imagined some possibilities for this:
First go to mohg and kill him
Then go to malenia and since she doesn’t know us she’ll immediately attack us but after we beat her first phase, she’ll be on her knees and we’ll get the option to either “finish” her off thus starting her second phase or wait a few seconds and then be given the option to talk to her (like we had with patches) and tell her where her brother is
Then we’ll head back to mohg’s palace and find her there in distraught at how she found her bother and in a state of anguish and delirium, she’ll bloom and attack anything that moves forcing us to fight her again but in the palace thus giving them the sad ending FromSoft alway has a hard on for.
If we don’t go to mohg first however then nothing will change or after her first phase we can tell her that we can help her find him and the rest is the same as the first one or we just fight her like in the normal game and won’t have the miquella quest line available.
Aside from Sellen name a sad ending.
@@vyor8837 Boggart, Millicent, Irina, D, Fia, Blaidd, Iji, etc.
@@MaidenlessScrub boggart only ends badly if you do the one thing he tells you not to do. Millicent ends fine. Irina isn't even a person past one interaction. D attacks another person. Fia still wins im the end and also dies because you do a stupid thing you don't have to do. Blaidd I'll grant you, but Iji removes his own protection
@@vyor8837 if we are going by the Boggart logic, how about we just don’t play the game. That way no one suffers
@@johnw.lennon1366 "don't mess with dung eater" -boggart
You don't have to let Dung Eater out to play the game (or you can kill him when you open the cell).
5:02 Malenia actually doesn't do random movements or attacks due to her blindness. It's actually deeper than this. When the scarlet rot took over her eyes, she was trained by another blind swordsman that represents the water of the lands between, the sole enemy of the scarlet rot, because he knew she was suffering by it. And the guidance he gave her was primordial for her survival because he teached her on how to deal with the scarlet rot, which is being like water, aways be moving, never standing in one place, so that the rot doesn't circulates through her body, it's not random that her signature attack is called WATERfowl dance, that's her desperate attempt to stay on the move and fight the rot, and to keep the memories of her mentor alive in her every slash. Her condition got worse, however, when she fought Raddan because, for the first time in a milenia, she let the scarlet rot take over her body. She stopped moving. She wasn't like water anymore, and the consequences of that were the great Aonia, her first bloom, all of Caelid were turned into rot because of that
I wonder if the rot progressed throughout her life and so at one point she had eyes, if so, what did they look like?
@mh6276 The rot was indeed progressing throughout the years, such as one point in time, she was just a normal kid. However, I didn't find any item description or lore piece that indicated what color her eyes were. If I were to take a guess, I'd say it would be golden just like her mother, father, and brother.
Thanks a lot for making this video, it did answer a lot of questions in my mind, keep up the great work.
To be fair at this point I've carved my way through the entire continent and killed every shardbearer I've found aside from Renalla
I have this small theory that Shardbearers can sense if the person they're facing is also a shardbearer.
It'd make sense, both overall and as to why she awakes the moment you arrive
It definitely holds logic. Beings of power naturally emit influence on all spectrums in these settings. Plus, I don't think we're the first Tarnished to approach her even before the current setting.
Tarnished itself is a term that goes all the way back to Godfrey and his armies, so it lends credence that if she doesn't know them by skill than certaonly by lore.
This isn’t really backed up by game mechanics though, as we can pick and choose which shardbearers we kill, yet all boss interactions are the same. We could go straight to Rykard without taking on another shardbearer and the interaction is the same
@@crywlf9103You can't get to Malenia without defeating at least one shardbearer: Morgott. The path to the Mountaintops (and the other half of the medallion) is blocked otherwise. You're guaranteed to be a shardbearer when facing Malenia (unless you glitch and content-skip into Consecrated Snowfield or the Haligtree).
Right? Like imagine some dude covered in blood invading your home carrying a machete, what do you do?
Malenia is just tired of her sleep being interrupted. Shes cranky
I loved the haligtree because i felt like a villain going through it. Those enemies just straight up look like they’re supposed to be the good guys and theres even a few soldiers who don’t attack unless they see you progressing too far past them. You can literally just sit next to one of them and chill.
3:26 I love that just a one off side conversation straight up confirms you’re an assassin of the greater will sent to kill the gods and take their place lol. Not super significant in spite of all that happens but it adds another level of badassery to your adventures
"Now do you understand? I'm Malenia, Blade of Miquella".
The Cut Content line is sick.
Melania is just cranky when she wakes up. We should have brought her a coffee.
It's fucking Malenia.
@@bkorodi1797 WHAT? WHAT IS FUCKING MALENIA? TELL MEEEEEE!!
@@Sextosaiyajin jealous for that rotussy?
@@bkorodi1797 Elden Ring Abridged Radahn was until the DLC
Would have been really cool if you could straight up tell her where Miquella is if you went to Mogwyn.
It would start a side quest akin to the one with Millicent, where she's gonna meet you in the blood swamp section. You traverse the entire place with her, killing enemies in an amazing tag team until you reach Mogh's room, where Malenia realizes what actually happened to her brother. I picture her just falling on her knees, speechless and motionless. (If you talk to her, only the '''...'' would appear and she doesn't even face you.)
Then you can return to the Haligtree, where you find her in her boss room. At this point she would have nothing more to lose, but she asks you one last favor: the possibility to die as Malenia, Blade of Miquella, before the Scarlet Rot takes over her mind completely. He chooses you as her final opponent because she recognizes you as her equal, a friend, a worthy someone to entrust her shard to.
I know that Fromsoft doesn't really like to turn bosses into allies, not like this at least, but it would have been really cool, and wouldn't alter the thing too much.
So basically the ebony warrior from skyrim but with extra trauma?
I think it relates a lot to the cut content as well. Because she does deliver weird lines which makes it seem like she knows you, and as if she was confused you attacked her.
Malenia lost herself when she had released the rot against Radahn. She had to abandon her morals and pride to let the rot take control. Millicent's story gave us a "happy ending" of sorts. You essentially do the same for her as Miquella did for Malenia to quell her rot. You allow her the satisfaction of fighting alongside you to regain that which she lost and be herself again. Just some of my observations.
I think a malenia based quest line off of what you said probably could work in this game. Say whenever you finish phase one she kinda drops to her knees in exhaustion and there’s some dialogue of her questioning her brother’s whereabouts that eventually gives you the option to tell her where he is. It would be kinda like millicents quest where you meet her in certain locations but you need to re direct her due to the rot influencing and basically eating her brain. Whenever she finally gets to the cocoon she has some sort of sad dialogue about her brother being in that state and then ends up killing herself seppuku style in front of us and it drops the great rune and remembrance but no runes. I’m sure other people could come up with a better quest but just thought it was a cool idea.
Sad they changed Milicent quest from being Malenia to a new char (Milicent). It would be epic to find her without memory, recover her arm and then have a tragic end fight with her.
I mean, it gave us Millicent so I'm fine with that personally.
Malenia is the embodiment of "Woke up and chose violence". I am so glad someone made this video cuz i was wondering as well of why we couldnt have a conversation with her especially seeing that(if you followed the questline) we had the golden needle to save her. In my eyes and im sure there are other that agree with me, Malenia is still alive along with Mogh as well because they both were optional fights, hopefully the DLC will piece together all remaining questions and theories we all had up to this point
No
Lets me solo her is the problem
It's like if someone broke into your home covered in blood while carrying a machete. It's easy to understand why she attacks us, every other boss really.
Them being optional bosses does not by any way indicate that they are still alive.
Malenia attacked us because she is completely delusional, Millicent was the embodiment of her „will, dignity, sense of self, to resist the scarlet rot“ which she split off by blooming against Radahn.
And depending on whether you finish Millicents quest or not you either: don‘t return Millicent/her sense of self to her, or Millicent dies (one way or another) before being able to reconnect with Malenia.
All of this clearly indicates that Malenia has lost her self and her will to live. I‘m pretty sure that she was glad when we slayed her, her last words didn‘t carry any sentiment against us. Only sadness that she lost Miquella
@@MisterK9739 she also goes ape on you when you show up because she's been comatose since the war with radahn and doesnt even know her brother is gone from his cocoon. then you show up radiating all that demigod power you've taken and she wakes up to defend an empty cradle from what she would think is one of the other demigods trying to take their great runes.
2:36 I thought they did all that to end his suffering by letting him perish in the most gloriful way for a warrior... in a battle
So this is what morgott meant about the flame of ambition being a bad thing.
IT WELL BE VERY HARD TO TALK TO MIQEULLA AFTER KILLING HIS SISTER
She's not dead she's surely alive! (opinion)
I know this is late but I don’t think the demigods we fight actually die with the expectation of Godwyn who was kill with the rune of death (half killed) so it makes sense that they become dormant after there defeat of course this is only speculation
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@@facundovera3227She exploded into dust how is that alive?
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of watching Elden Ring lore videos
I think it's not only "Greed" that drives certain Tarnished to seek more than two great runes, it's also about consolidation of power and the elimination of possible rivals/usurpers.
To be fair, we instantly become aggroed to anything that’s not a helpful NPC in this game and even if it’s just chillin
She attacks us because she's Malenia, blade of Miquella amd she has never known defeat
Malenia is arguably the only boss for whom the dodge mechanic actually works. Most bosses you can attack off to one side and have a 50/50 chance they'll dodge right into it, which is weird for most but makes sense for a literal blind woman who just hears you winding up for an attack and guesses it's probably aimed at her.
I mean… who else would it be aimed at?
@@TheDarkPeasant Ten feet to her left so she'll dodge into it.
Her mind is consumed by rot, she barely remembers who she is, that's why she attacks on sight. I gave this a thought and this looks like the most wholesome explanation.
Taking her with you against Mohg is not the best idea (if you want to fix things - yeah, I read some fanfiction and have some ideas myself), even if she's conscious and aware, considering what she's done to Radahn.
She attacked us because you're after her great rune. She knows we are out to kill her the same way we are out to kill all the other demi gods. After all tarnished all have the same fate. To kill the demi gods and become the elden lord.
Tarnished wants Great Runes and to take out the competition(just like Godfrey did). Besides, someone invades your home covered in blood while carrying a machete, what do you do?
I feel like with her it is best to go with the more wholesome explanation.
I wonder why we are attacked at all. Like.
Tarnished: hey, May i ask thee something?
Random: HE IS HERE, ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!
I’d like to mention that the radahn festival is held to give the great general an honorable death in battle since radahn and the guy that starts the festival(I forgot his name) made a promise that when they die, it would be in battle and honorably. (I’m not 100% sure on that but I remember hearing something like this)
I've always wondered this. Like BITCH I WANNA TELL YOU WHERE MIQUELLA IS
The one thing to remember in Elden Ring is that we have almost ZERO agency. Anything and everything that happens does so because it was ordained for us to do so. We're in the lands between specifically because we were meant to be there. The problem with talking to anyone before or after certain events happen, which would cause us to not fight them isn't a choice we'd ever be able to make. Not just because FROMSFOT wants to make us cry, but because in the story, we were never meant to have that choice to begin with.
I like that you stated that FromSoft seems to want us to cry over having killed bosses.
thine editing has engoodened. I commend thee
I second thy commendation.
Also, has thou’st realize that while travelling and battling through the lands between, our manner of speech is influenced?
@@apolloisnotashirt Thicc thigh I love, ancient speech me do not learn. 👍👍
@@TheRealScatGuy unga bunga brother
Malenia's not herself when she's sleepy, especially when hungry.
We shouldve gave her a Snickers so she would calm down, even for but a moment.
>Talk to Malenia
>Tell her Mogh has been booty clapping Miquella at his creepy blood palace
>Malenia leaves to find her brother
>Travel to Moghwyn Palace
>Find Malenia fully rotted, crazed, and inconsolable as to what has befallen Miquella
>Fight a super ROT Goddess Malenia
Either way, there'd be no escaping having to put Malenia down. It's bound to happen.
I fully believe situations like this are where From Soft were fighting producers. Things like the cut merchant quest-line prove that idea even further imo.
I was trying to listen and inform myself about the lore, but at 5:35 I just kept asking myself " Why the fuck is the blade so long?"
Hewg says about the tarnished that: "you came to challenge the demi gods and their god" so I'm guessing if I'm a demigod and I see a Tarnished, I can deduce why they are here.
miquella charmed her and forced to kill radahn thats where her pride was lost
She was his blade since birth though. Miquella never charmed his sister because she was already helping him before he got the great rune
She was his blade since birth though. Miquella never charmed his sister because she was already helping him before he got the great rune
@@TheBlueKing10t I do believe she was charmed to some extend, she abandoned her pride, undid all the effort that miquella went through to quell her scarlet rot. Yet she throws it away just so that miquella could become a god. Miquella abandoned her yet she still follows him. I do think they were close since birth but malenia abandoning everything does require some charm in my opinion.
nope
The fact that you can't tell her where Miquella is if you have already been to Mohgwyn palace is kind of an oversight.
Has anyone considered that Miquella used his powers on Milenia to be his sword, and that's why she's so obsessed?
But his Great Rune is used to charm people and she's been his blade since before the shattering
@@TheBlueKing10t That makes sense. I knew I was missing something.
That's what happens when you don't have any infirmaries nearby
This makes you really wonder how the new upcoming DLC content is going to link back to established lore. Maybe we'll get some new dialogue with her? Or other characters based on our actions in it? Considering person on (what looks to be) Torrent, looks to be Miquella.
An interesting twist to being able to tell Malenia where Miquella is would be if you return to his cocoon you would find a distress Malenia who loses all hope and surrender herself to the Rot. Driven mad with grief she blooms and we fight her phase 2 in the sight of the cocoon as she has been driven mad with grief.
the fact that Malenia is blind may explain why there's water in the arena:
so she can hear better our steps.
She probably takes us because we interrupt her afternoon nap. And for that, I honestly can't blame her ngl 🗿
Marika's children were all told. Become something great, or be sacrificed. They failed to become something great. As such they were sacrificed to the Tarnished so they could become the new Elden Lord. Malenia simply though we were here to "Sacrifice" them for our goal. A reasonable assumption. Why else would a Tarnished enter her home.
We might get that chance to ask her, if I’m correct that might be her 3rd bloom as Ol Bug daddy was speaking of, after the 3rd bloom she becomes a God
Seeing this after learning who mikella really is is complelty different. About her losing, she never lost, the scarlet rot is her true power, on her fight we actually fought against her peak when she became a goddess.
So she’s the physical manifestation of “Woke up and chose violence”
Malenia boss stage/arena is so interesting because she's still have an advantage, even though she's blind and can't see you, she can still absolutely hear you. Because of the water present in the ground, she can hear where the enemy is by hearing the splashing sound. Even if the enemy is in the dry spot of the arena Malenia can still hear where the enemy is because of the dry twigs, sticks and leaves that can make a lot of sound if getting stepped on.
The pendant you get for beating her debunk the randomness of her swings by saying something like its fluid like motions
at least malenia has some presicion and poise with her attacks, radahn just swings his swords around wildly lol
i always love the dancing trees @2:23
Beat phase 1 and then when u go to mohgwyn palace u finish the fight at the nihil location which is harder to fight in
Jerren and Radahn promised each other to see that each one dies a honorable death, so Jerren holds festivals to see Radahn die in battle, not to scarlet rot.
Maybe FromSoft thought the same way, but changed their minds at the last second. Miquella does wear a ring on his finger in Mohg's Palace we could have took the ring back to Malenia and that would have resulted in a different cutscene or option to fight her or not . I think I heard someone else say it was in the game files that Miquella's ring could have been removed at some point.
To know that we are there, Tarnished and all, is very good. ❤
Knowing how Miquella’s great Rune works now puts Millennia’s loyalty in a whole new light
But it doesn't because she's been loyal for far longer than he's has his Great Rune
What would’ve been cool is you fight her phase 1 and after you beat her and she calms down you tell her where her brother is and she leaves to rescue him. But after that you can return to mohg palace and you find her in a state of despair after she finds him and she gives into the rot in which you have to mercy kill her. So no matter what you fight her and kill her but like sif one options is way more depressing but fleshed out.
Because we invaded her home, killed her people, we are the chosen by the two fingers to kill all the demigods and steal their shit of which one of them is Miquella.
The best thing ever would've been 1.) you die to mohg, 2.) you find Malenia and fight her to her phase transition, 3.) you tell her where Miquella is, 4.) you go back to Mohg, summon Malenia as a cooperator, and they have a battle to the death where there's a cut scene in which Malenia transitions to her second form to defeat Mohg and dies in the process. Her heartfelt apology to Miquella would've made SOOOOOO much more sense.
a bit like gael hmm, that could've worked
It makes no sense Mogh can even challenge her in god form let alone she dies in that fight. If Mogh was stronger than her he wouldn’t wait for her to go away and steal Miquella then proceeded to hide lol.
I think Melania knew where Miquella was already now
She waited for him to return from the Shadow Lands
People overcomplicate this in Elden Ring.
Player character is Tarnished who is there to put the demi-gods to the sword. They have Grace which is discerned from the eyes. All of the demi-gods know the tarnished will come for them to claim their shards and to restore the Elden Ring.
Thank you.. it's so simple. I don't know why people overcomplicate it. The Tarnished is either there for her Great Rune or to defeat her as a future potential threat to our new order, or both.
5:10 considering one of her attacks consists of grabbing you by the throat I think she actually has pretty fucking good spatial awareness
I like that you included the fact that it took you many attempts into the lore
Did you guys know this boss is Malenia Blade of Miquella?
She should’ve said that
i wonder if she has ever known defeat
@@MagaldiMateus I can't believe the game didn't tell us!
she attacks because you’re a rival for the elden throne. if you cut your way to her then you need to be put down.
The big reason I would have liked if Malenia went to Mohgwyn Palace is to see if the Rot and Blood outer gods would have had some direct interaction. There's not much reason I can think of other than from trolling the players, but imagine if the gods joined forces and you had to fight some bleed/rot boss. For as many secrets as there are in this games I'm surprised there isn't a super secret boss like this could've been. Either way a lot could been done here and I'm excited to see if there are any changes! This game has so much potential and I think regardless of what we guess, dlc is gonna surprise us!
That sounds so so painful
Makes sense why there is water on the floor in the arena u fight malenia since she is blind makes it easier for her to pin point the tarnish by listening to the foot steps
If a random guy broke into my room and woke me up from a nap I’d want to throw hands too lol
I certainly would’ve been very interested in an “Order of Rot” type ending as well. I hope to see this potential applied in DLC. I’ve got a save file where I’ve done pretty much everything except kill Malenia and burn the Erdtree. I’m waiting for Miquella to be reborn and see what can be done.
As something rather unique and unexpected, a bug happened on my file. I haven’t burned the Erdtree (I prefer it’s original appearance+Leyndell). So if it isn’t burned, I shouldn’t have acces to Farum Azula. However, without me knowing how exactly it happened, access was granted to me to the “Dragonlord Placidusax” site of Grace. I went in, directly spawned right by the boss and killed him.
The potential is insane because if I go and kill Malenia now I can bug my file irreparably. (I have the whole Haligtree discovered up to the roots but I’m leaving her alive on purpose for the DLC). If I end her, and go to Placidusax’s now empty arena, which I can freely travel to and from, I can use the Unnalloyed Gold Needle, the complete one, and remove the Flame of Frenzy. This means I would have no means to burn the Erdtree whatsoever. Melina has already abandoned me.
Not me I want an Ancient Dragon themed ending.
@@nbmoleminer5051 more of a Golden Order Fundamentalist myself but the dragons and gold are friendly so cheers!
I think if we ever get to interact with Miquella then there should be a specific interaction where Miquella can sense if you have his sisters rune and maybe is more aggressive towards us.
Malenia being optional means that will never be. FromSoft rarely makes bosses triggered by events like this if they expect everyone to face them.
@@Krystalmyth In DS3 one DLC boss has unique dialogue concerning your optional choices in main game, and main game NPC has some additional dialogue concerning DLC boss. So there is good chance for some dialogue, but probably not anything more than that.
8:20 Malenia "sees" Miquella like this.
I think that the rot first began in her mind. It is an outer god, so it would make sense for it to begin taking over her by starting in her brain. That’s why she seems delusional, because it’s eroding her sense of self, trying to make her believe she will be the new goddess of rot. So that’s why she’s so affirmative.
At first she attacked us due to a huge misunderstanding, now she does it because of LMSH.
I choose to believe Malenia is bewitched, not because she couldn't just love her brother, she could. Simply because her brother doesn't deserve love.
@@joeblogs8049 don't you think that miquela might have enchanted her too as she was weird obsessed with him "I AM MALENIA THE BLADE KF MIQUELA"
@@Yoinkqiqi I think she was bewitched pretty early on in the convoluted timeline.
@@Blopusanian yeah indeed
But Miquella's power comes from his Great Rune and she was loyal before the shattering
4:40 So i wasnt even fighting her at her peak😭
Nope. She was at her peak when she fought Radahn.
I think Malenia knowing where her brother is and see the state he in will change nothing in the end I believe she will lose all hope and just let the Scarlet Rot consume her
I mean, if some dude walks with a weapon in my house after slaughtering the entire neighbourhood, i would attack too
An Elden ring prequel would be insane. The bosses in there prime
the fact that malenia is both blind and mentally impaired, yet still the strongest enemy in the game goes to show how scary she is
Wish we could’ve learned more about the Blind Swordsman
Millicent is still my favorite character in Elden Ring. I loved her storyline and I loved her growth.
The loss of her limbs is not from the firght with Radhan or after that, all the unalloyed gold parts of her body were forged thanks to Miquella and are much older than the shattering. We can easily guess it is the same case for her eyes. But they also might have been damaged when she bloomed against Radhan.
As for the reason of the fight against the MC, we can guess that she wants to protect her great rune. But it seems to be a clanky reason as she only lives to serve her twin brother. As she always repeats, she is the blade of Miquella, not his champion, *just* a blade. Another interesting reason is also one of the possible reason for her fight against Radhan: she does it for Miquella, because the tarnished (MC) is an empyrean, chosen by the greater will and the two fingers, just the same as Miquella. To ensure her brother could ascend to godhood and free himself of his curse, she has to eliminate competition.
My two cents on why she fights Radhan: At castle Sol we learn that Miquella and his followers were waiting for a foretold eclipse that never came to happen; Radhan is holding the stars and, with them, the fates of the demi-gods. Perhaps Malena was trying to,get Radhan to let the stars go.
Yes, this is one of the popular theories because the stars are often a metaphor for fate and destiny.
Another reason I like is that she wants her brother back. Miquella had just been kidnapped when Malenia started to march south. It's quite logical to go in this direction, knowing the location of Mogh's palace (south of the Haligtree, but underground). She could have heard her brother had been taken away southwards, and she would have begun her rampage in all the places south of the Haligtree (Goderick's been defeated before her fight against her stepbrother).
Amyway, all those are theories, mayne we'll have some answers in the upcoming DLCs.
@@liendel328 Yeah! I wonder what will FromSoftware surprise us with! 🥰
The tarnished isn't an empyrean.
Only malenia miquella ranni and marika are empyrean.
The tarnished are just would be lordlings.
You literally cannot become elden lord without being an empyrean.
And there is a dialogue after defeating one of the demi-gods where one of the fingers-readers tells you you're recognized as a candidate to become elden lord, hence an empyrean.
She cannot see and we do not speak. In our not telling her that we know where Miquella is it leads to combat over 2 strangers. If we could inform her of it, she would likely become an immediate ally
Now hear me out, we fight first phase tell her the location of miquella travel there and we she see him like that she loses her mind and second phase starts
Repectfully, you're wrong.
At around 5:00, you tell us that she "wildly swings her sword around herself" which is where you made an error.
What she's actually doing is using waterfowl dance, as you said, but this attack is different than you may have initially thought.
She's not "wildly swinging her sword," she's beautifully reciting a technique taught to her by a blind swordsman long ago, that was developed to attempt to stop the spread of her scarlet rot. That's why it's called "waterfowl dance," the movements mimic flowing water, a counter to the scarlet rot, which thrives in stagnant water (i.e. lake of rot).
With all due respect, she's not "wildly swinging her sword," she's fighting to save herself, as you mentioned.