@@anthonyalles1833 The issue is more that someone may get to a point where they're happy with how they look and feel affirmed, but then everyone else or others in the trans community put pressure on them to "pass" or look "even better". So basically part of the issue is more of societal beauty standards at a certain point rather than just alleviating dysphoria which is the initial (and more important) goal
@@liminalmind2771 Perhaps, but a trans person is no more obligated to dedicate her life to fighting the patriarchy than any other woman. They have enough problems to deal with, they don't need yet another burden unwillingly placed on them. IMHO I find all beauty pageants silly and retrograde, but I don't demand that everyone share my views.
facinating that the cosmetic industry from the medical side is investing in the pageants. seems obvious in hindsight but still interesting to find that connection out
Grew up with family that participated in beauty pageants from the 60's thru the 80's. Mother was Miss Huntington Beach, older cousin was Miss California almost Miss America. The pressure on family split everything up. A generation of family that should have grown up and enjoyed each other's company building a community fractured because of mob mentality. That's what it feels like from my perspective. As long as pageants are an expression of creativity and social support for each other and not some contest to FIGHT each other over, then it is just humans doing something good. Kindness needs to win out.
My neighbors daughter was Miss California, a gorgeous woman who died from alcohol Poisoning. She was a broken alcoholic in her 30's I think. A very sad story for their family.
There's nothing wrong with people _wanting_ to express themselves with 'stereotypical' gender presentations, just as there's nothing wrong with going another way. It's only a problem when people are _forced_ to go one way, or victimized when they don't. Let people be free.
Yes, that's what all beauty pageants are for, to make ugly women feel bad about themselves enough to pay money to surgically alter themselves to look like the women on tv. Are you new here?
@@erinlevere6881 you used to be banned from competing in pageants back in the day if they knew you had any plastic surgery. i know that women who have given birth aren't eligible to compete in some competitions (read it in the fine print in one i was in during my teens) so i really hope that rule has been eliminated if they're allowing males to join
@@barbrothers2unless you live under a rock, miss colombia and miss guatemala were both competing in miss universe this year and they are both mothers, what other excuse are you gonna use to spread your hate now?
Any doctor who thinks a trans woman is a woman, needs to have their medical license revoked immediately. Please stop conforming to a person’s delusions.
these beauty pageants have existed for years, decades even, straight people just ignore them because they don’t view them as “valid” as the pageants for biological women
Well the pageant featured here is indeed a separate pageant for trans. This is Miss International Queen in Thailand. This female reporter really sucks at details.
Glad you like it. Lots of Europeans enjoyed it for the cheap women in the Red Light district. There are trans hookers too, it seems that's more your style. They're cheap too. Just be careful of STDs.
As a trans woman I try to be supportive but I don’t get the whole beauty pageant thing. Good on em for doing it live your truth and all but I think beauty pageants set back all women sis and trans.
No such thing as a cis category for woman, you are a man and I would suggest heavy counseling because deep down you aren’t living your true self your living in delusion.
As a straight male, I totally agree with you. No matter how they try to church these pageants up, it still boils down to displaying an individual as a dressed up piece of meat, no matter how many "world peace" questions you throw into it.
Stop calling us normal people "cis". We are BIOLOGICAL males and females. If you cannot accept that, then you have to be comfortable with being called "tra**y" by us BIOLOGICAL men and women.
@@hifijohn Some do, but at least we can respect the differences in each humans instead of forcing everyone to be a fucking robot and fit inside one shoe. As anarchists, we don't put our confidence based on how we annoy conservative Nazis. We put it based on how we RESPECT people
One would think 8n other places of their world in trans communities They would want evolved from women competitive pageant. Mimicking what cis women go through is just ridiculous. Beauty is internal and external.. Humanity wants attention especially from each other. Very immature. More important things on earth to do in support of humanity
@@kierenmoore3236 no straight up as a trans person This is an actually refreshing take because Fox News has tried to train a whole generation of people to try to immediately invoke ww2 get in the camps style Nazi propaganda against us
@@kierenmoore3236 given the VICE audience and what they think about this topic, yes it's likely sarcasm. If you have the Chrome extension to view UA-cam dislikes, this video is currently at 244 likes and 460 dislikes. Every single one on this topic gets ratio'd about 2-to-1 or even 3-to-1 and is full of hateful comments.
Reinforcing because I guarantee you, that the transwomen who allowed to participate, have to fit the "passability test". Beauty comes in all forms, and a transwoman shouldn't have to fit a mold to be considered beautiful.
Neither should biological women. When I see a slightly overweight girl with dark skin, glasses and kinky hair I’ll believe that Miss America is about scholarships.
@@customfantasyhotwheels My point is there is a difference between what is ugly and what is beautiful. And seems people are getting offended because the reality is what is superior is better, and this is how life works.
Don’t refer to natural women as cyst women I’m just a woman. You identify as trans women I call you as you address your gender. Don’t rename me 😤 and think it’s ok ITS NOT
Im just correcting the commentor's spelling. I would get it if the word "cisgender" might sound like a slur or something offensive or something out of place because me myself didn't encounter it until a year ago. So here's the definition of cisgender. denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 did i sound like im proposing an argument? informing people about the definition of the word isn't explicitly saying "oh you should actually not be scared of the word, it's not a slur, please stop being offended". i am not in any way ordering this commentor to stop being scared of the word. and why are you asking me this? i literally said "i would get it if TLDR", and now you're telling me i don't understand that they don't want to be called "cis"?
Thank God I'm American Trans Women in the USA but I do enjoy watching these Trans Beauty Pageants from these country, I hope who ever watching this video to learn more about our Trans community and not judge like these Online trolls with stupidity negative comments about Trans women, if ya don't like watching the video then don't watch go away K!
This makes more sense than them joining miss universe which is traditionally for natural born women. How can you push for transgender acceptance when you're already stepping the boundaries of nature. Fight for your rights, but don't say you are a woman coz you're not. But you are an amazing transgender woman and that's something to be proud of
I keep coming back to Vice News hoping that they do more in-depth reporting about things that matter like Ukraine, and Israel, but each time I'm sadly disappointed. What happened?
They are men, don't be fooled by their looks, biologically they are men, they haven't gone through the experiences that women do they won't be real women
A beauty pageant cant be the only platform for all the social equality that trans people are trying to achieve. A beauty pageant is about beauty, and gender dysphoria does need passing. But many pass in the normal world, to win, someone has to be a more pleasing to the eye.
I am a filmmaker student, in my own way and from my work, I am working and struggling on a project to help change these kind of social problems. I am from the same country as Javiera, and even that, myself as a man, struggle all the time finding people from the LGTB community to join my project. My point is, the world is like that, the only way to fulfill a change is creating something new; maybe judging these kind of events is not the proper way to find a solution, after all, most of them are "almost" honest, I mean they are always about beauty, that's the all point. If someone finds this must change then the solution is create a contest about something else, where beauty wwould be a minor factor.
This story is more to show bigotry still exists. Just read the comment section to see the people of this world still have an obsession about things that don’t affect them.
When it’s being shoved in our face 24/7, being told how to think and talk, and pushed onto children, then yes it does affect everyone wether they want it to or not. Any reasonable person who doesn’t agree with your world views and speaks out against it are not bigots.
@@zu-tangclan8113 good for you buddy, eat this stuff up. But I noticed you didn’t comment on the part of you guys forcing us to think and talk a certain way like you and if not were just being bigots, and heavily pushing it into children face 24/7 in which parents are now bigots for not wanting it.
@@myron1231234 you sure have an imagination. Pushed in your face 24/7. Really? This story was pushed in your face or did UA-cam recommend it because you have been looking up terms like trans, lgbtq, gay. Typically you are only recommended videos that you previously searched for. I wouldn’t call that being shoved in your face but more you looking for it to be presented to your face.
"It's a celebration of passing-who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." That sounded like an insult to all transwomen
As a cis-gender woman, I went in drag to see the Barbie movie. It was my protest against women (whether trans or not) feeling compelled to appear in this way. As Rana Thamrin said, it leaves a person wondering if she needs to be changing her appearance radically, if she cannot be accepted as she is- as she is in her skin, in her nature. Appearances are all very well, but aren't we each a lot more complex than that? There was an eye-opening documentary some years ago about plastic surgery in Venezuela- how women's body images were being literally shaped and dictated by one man and his ideas about what they should all look like- and how even very poor women were getting breast enhancement surgery. This is not it, but similar- ua-cam.com/video/VtddBzqe-vE/v-deo.html
You have been so brainwashed by the trans movement. The correct term is *"biological woman".* The term "cisgender" is the word used by trans-women and trans-men used to give themselves away (whether they are passable or not).
because while there are some trans women competing in beauty pageants, there are countless other trans women out there being beat, raped, shunned because they don't look "passing" and to reinforce this, only the most passing, gorgeous trans woman is their voice? it's pretty sad. at least least trans women and cis women share this issue.
This is just a certain topic of discussion that is interesting to at least talk about. And like the person above me said, when there's countless non-passing transwomen being killed for being said non-passing (also cis women being killed for "appearing trans") how do these pageants presenting mostly passing trans-women effect those non-passing transwomen? It's just a question to be reckoned with.
@@nicolemarie1360I agree that these trans women shouldn't be treated like trash, but I also believe that the should embrace being what they really are and that is a male, they need theropy
Vice news used to bring us the best groundbreaking reports from active conflicts and now this is what we have. Holy smokes have they fallen out of touch.
I mean, I get where you're coming from but a leftist news outlet like Vice asking legitimate questions about beauty norms and talking about how trans culture still isn't free from sexist standards that the larger emancipation movement has sought freedom from is actually pretty refreshing. This obviously isn't your ballpark, neither is it mine, but this stuff is still interesting to a lot of people. If you think about it, often trans women still strive after what some would call patriarchal beauty norms, which is a bit of a mindfuck. I could see how some people would abhor the reinforcement of barbie esque stereotypes by people they might accept as women but who have not shared the same burdens as them. Sure, what's happening in Gaza right now is more shocking, more relevant, etc. Still, there's so much coverage on that it's hard to see anything else. It is important to keep an active discourse about our standing and our rights and where we are going, to be reflective even on things that can't possibly compare to the hardships of war. Everything else pales compared to the hardships of war. However if we stop talking about these things we lose track of the different undercurrents at play and the way we actually want our future to look like. When you lose track of those things as a group or society, never ending chaos ensues. We all know what that looks like.
@@BohoBeadsI mean vice filed for bankruptcy, so poor them. Funny the people who go on and on and on about empathy are the biggest fuckin pricks walking the earth
"It's a celebration of passing...who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." Totally DISAGREE with that statement! If that was indeed the case, then the extremely feminine Thai candidates would have won the crown every year but apparently they are not always that competent in the Q & A portion. The eventual winner in the pageant featured here which is Miss Philippines is not even the most feminine in the group but she possessed the so-called "whole package" of beauty and brains equal ratio. Obviously this interviewer only mentioned that statement after her one obvious personal choice/bet didn't make it to the Top 3.
gurl there's a tea for that year.. that year the Philippines bought license to MQI to be held in the Philippines, that's why they won. however with that being said, if you watched closely the judges judged the contestant really mainly around how they look not their advocacy, which is fair but that's what I meant. in my opinion based on the final question Colombia should have won, but in the end, this is all about business ... so I hope this would enlighten and shed light to your accusation towards me.
@@Ranatastic It is not just an Extemporaneous Speaking Contest after all. There's a reason why those distinguished judges were appointed and there's a reason why you are just a mere spectator and will never be qualified as a member of the judging panel...your opinion is just as irrelevant as all the other spectators who think this and that should have won. Back to the statement about "who could pass more as a cis-woman"...then the Thai candidates should have won every year if that point was accurate. This reporter should try sticking to fair journalism, especially in the pageant industry where all candidates have entire countries rallying behind them.
Vice has extensively covered middle eastern issues for over a decade. They'll get around to it . Also since this was filmed in 2022 Im guessing this is just a re-release on UA-cam, not necessarily new
Honestly, they don't need to.. Every other news source is reporting on it, if VICE chooses to report on other things and not just follow everybody else, good on 'em.
I just want to say not all clinics like this I think the owner, surgeon can actually get a bigger premises more room. The recovery room is really not hygienic and doesn’t look safe to me. Anyway they seem to doing well.
@@unboxedcharacter Well, it appears the majority (basically everybody) of LGBT+ people aren't inclusive for not including that P. That's something you made up to make LGBT people seem disgusting and dangerous.
I hate the scary background tense music when the patients are in the recovery room. I think you are just jealous of the girls who have had surgeries when actually you’re faking the way you sound when you speak
Beauty peagents are a result of basic human desire the feeling of being wanted and desired. Few questions and answers does not defines someone’s internal beauty. I can’t criticise it because I am also a human and I like being desired and attractive. But these pageants of any gender doesn’t define our true beauty. These contest only makes less attractive people more insecure. A day will come the technology like DNA modification and designer baby will make all people externally beautiful, especially the one who can afford it.
These people should embrace the natural bodies that God gave them, it's not good to try to change your sex if your born a man your a man if born a woman your a woman, the gender was decided when the sperm fertilized the egg. Xx chromosomes are female while xy chromosomes are male.
Thank you for this video. I see awesome trans people in everyday life & celebrate their being a part of everything. They don’t look like these beauty pageant queens but in the cisgender world of pageants, the same is true. I celebrate all our uniqueness.
Let me clarify, i do not hate. That's your perspective and feelings of your creation. Yes, i could hate, but that's a choice, and there's more like love, compassion and empathy too. In growing up was taught religion of Christ, and in no eay Jesus never hated anyone throughout the years he was on Earth. God considers these lifestyles choices a sin, a given example is, Sodom and Gomorrah, in those cities had wickedness, but God was going to destroy, prior which is very important he sent two Angles in, but God didn't immediately destroy, he warn, and if you realize you are the one that hate, perhaps frim your personal experiences and your projecting your hate up us. Only hate i have is what if your wrong, and we are warning your pending doom? Personal choices have its own individual accountability. If its considered a sin, and I'm trying to warn it is the concern of the soul which when the body is finite the soul, consciousness is eternal. Trans person, even when you try to erase the outside the internal is hardwired including the dna, we cannot change the xx, and xy.
I don't think it's right that they choose to do this, but I still love them. They are fellow humans and are loved by God. They can change their minds and become birth gender reconstituted.
Wow I loved this video! I'm so glad that trans pageants are getting more attention. I've been watching The Miss International Queen pageant for a while now and I plan on competing in 2025!
Great video, as a trans person who began transitioning early in my life, it's good to see how attitudes change. As a kid there was only the most disgusting representation of trans women, and it made me hate myself growing up.
If you began transitioning at a young age than your parents let you down and they need to be locked up and investigated by the state. A lot of this ideology stems from early childhood abuse.
I have no issue with trans women competing against other trans women. No issue with that at all. But I personally don’t like beauty pageants. As long as trans women understand they are trans women and not biological “real” women, I am more than accepting.
"I can't help feeling insecurities that I need to maybe have plastic surgery." Of course you feel insecure, you are born as a man not a woman. No one is going to stop this nonsense because it is all about the MONEY!
You think it's okay for a person to change his or her body that God gave them, they are mutilating their bodies and their lives,, these leftist people that want to tell little children that it's okay to change your sex is evil
@@Zulimozzart Just accept the reallity of things. This do not seem honest. Participating with lots of surgeries was not even allowed for women, some time ago. Why you are just entittled to do everything "because"?
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It's a beauty pageant. Might as well call it a stereotype contest, regardless.
"it's not a celebration of trans women and their unique beauty, it's a celebration of passing" oof that hit me hard
If you suffer from gender dysphoria, isn't that what you're looking to do?
@@anthonyalles1833 The issue is more that someone may get to a point where they're happy with how they look and feel affirmed, but then everyone else or others in the trans community put pressure on them to "pass" or look "even better". So basically part of the issue is more of societal beauty standards at a certain point rather than just alleviating dysphoria which is the initial (and more important) goal
@@liminalmind2771 Perhaps, but a trans person is no more obligated to dedicate her life to fighting the patriarchy than any other woman. They have enough problems to deal with, they don't need yet another burden unwillingly placed on them. IMHO I find all beauty pageants silly and retrograde, but I don't demand that everyone share my views.
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuLike you try to "pass" for a decent human being?
@@winstons2024 You mean because I don't accept that Dylan Mulvaney, Eddie Izzard, Lia Thomas etc. are women?
facinating that the cosmetic industry from the medical side is investing in the pageants. seems obvious in hindsight but still interesting to find that connection out
Grew up with family that participated in beauty pageants from the 60's thru the 80's. Mother was Miss Huntington Beach, older cousin was Miss California almost Miss America. The pressure on family split everything up. A generation of family that should have grown up and enjoyed each other's company building a community fractured because of mob mentality. That's what it feels like from my perspective. As long as pageants are an expression of creativity and social support for each other and not some contest to FIGHT each other over, then it is just humans doing something good. Kindness needs to win out.
This applies to everything in life, love your point of view, keep spreading love 💕
My neighbors daughter was Miss California, a gorgeous woman who died from alcohol Poisoning. She was a broken alcoholic in her 30's I think. A very sad story for their family.
That's sick.
I dont think these pagents will have kids and I doubt they were forced as kids (they were men back then) to compete
There's nothing wrong with people _wanting_ to express themselves with 'stereotypical' gender presentations, just as there's nothing wrong with going another way. It's only a problem when people are _forced_ to go one way, or victimized when they don't. Let people be free.
How about 'new women' using all-female spaces?
The problem is claiming stereotypes make you X.
IE: If a white person acted like a stereotypical asian it would be called racism
too bad 4/5 trans are meth heads
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fumost women support trans rights lmao
@@damien4969 Most women aren't accepting of 'new women' in all-female spaces or women's sports.
They can have their own shows with their own display of talent. I dont think merging is needed
They’re all women tho.
Separate but equal!!
They are not women, they are men with lots of surgery, something that was not even allowed to women.
I think that also goes for sporting activities - it's not fair for them to compete with natural women
So segregation? Gross.
This seems like a competition/advertisement for plastic surgeons?
Yes, that's what all beauty pageants are for, to make ugly women feel bad about themselves enough to pay money to surgically alter themselves to look like the women on tv. Are you new here?
Also butchers that want to make money on confused kids. Tons fo money.
Yes, a money making industry. Male plastic surgeons creating a male fantasy!
a competition that rates plastic surgeons work :)
Well that goes for a lot of female beauty pageants too these days
@@erinlevere6881 you used to be banned from competing in pageants back in the day if they knew you had any plastic surgery. i know that women who have given birth aren't eligible to compete in some competitions (read it in the fine print in one i was in during my teens) so i really hope that rule has been eliminated if they're allowing males to join
@@barbrothers2unless you live under a rock, miss colombia and miss guatemala were both competing in miss universe this year and they are both mothers, what other excuse are you gonna use to spread your hate now?
It's fine. They are doing their own thing. No problems with that at all. Infact i hope they are successful and have fun.
I don't
Perfect. The fact that doctors judge this completion speaks volumes 😖
Any doctor who thinks a trans woman is a woman, needs to have their medical license revoked immediately. Please stop conforming to a person’s delusions.
The fact that you felt it important to post your nonsense, and not even spell words correctly, speaks volumes about you.
I mean... Just have separate beauty pageants specifically for Trans. That makes more sense than merging with biological women pageants.
If only they could do the same thing for sports
these beauty pageants have existed for years, decades even, straight people just ignore them because they don’t view them as “valid” as the pageants for biological women
Well the pageant featured here is indeed a separate pageant for trans. This is Miss International Queen in Thailand. This female reporter really sucks at details.
Agreed
God Thailand is the most based Asian country ever. Where can u smoke weed, drink beer, and look at a trans beauty pageant?
you could just go to hostess bars in japan or south korea, drink and look at actual real beautiful women, not men. chaser?
Glad you like it. Lots of Europeans enjoyed it for the cheap women in the Red Light district.
There are trans hookers too, it seems that's more your style. They're cheap too. Just be careful of STDs.
As a trans woman I try to be supportive but I don’t get the whole beauty pageant thing. Good on em for doing it live your truth and all but I think beauty pageants set back all women sis and trans.
No such thing as a cis category for woman, you are a man and I would suggest heavy counseling because deep down you aren’t living your true self your living in delusion.
As a straight male, I totally agree with you. No matter how they try to church these pageants up, it still boils down to displaying an individual as a dressed up piece of meat, no matter how many "world peace" questions you throw into it.
that's understandable.
Stop calling us normal people "cis". We are BIOLOGICAL males and females.
If you cannot accept that, then you have to be comfortable with being called "tra**y" by us BIOLOGICAL men and women.
why is every other VICE video about trans people? I swear to god everyone is completely obsessed with this issue.
Only the extreme left, they love anything thats weird and different and bothers conservatives and religious people.
*God
@@hifijohn Some do, but at least we can respect the differences in each humans instead of forcing everyone to be a fucking robot and fit inside one shoe. As anarchists, we don't put our confidence based on how we annoy conservative Nazis. We put it based on how we RESPECT people
it's not an issue, silly goose!
Soros bought them and that´s pretty obvious this is part of their agenda.
One would think 8n other places of their world in trans communities They would want evolved from women competitive pageant. Mimicking what cis women go through is just ridiculous. Beauty is internal and external.. Humanity wants attention especially from each other. Very immature. More important things on earth to do in support of humanity
I don’t care what people do, so long as they are honest with and do no harm to others.
Ty king
@@sapphomet.7777 Sarcasm?
@@kierenmoore3236 no straight up as a trans person This is an actually refreshing take because Fox News has tried to train a whole generation of people to try to immediately invoke ww2 get in the camps style Nazi propaganda against us
@@kierenmoore3236 given the VICE audience and what they think about this topic, yes it's likely sarcasm. If you have the Chrome extension to view UA-cam dislikes, this video is currently at 244 likes and 460 dislikes. Every single one on this topic gets ratio'd about 2-to-1 or even 3-to-1 and is full of hateful comments.
@@desmond-hawkins It isn't hate to want to be safe in our own spaces.
Reinforcing because I guarantee you, that the transwomen who allowed to participate, have to fit the "passability test". Beauty comes in all forms, and a transwoman shouldn't have to fit a mold to be considered beautiful.
Neither should biological women. When I see a slightly overweight girl with dark skin, glasses and kinky hair I’ll believe that Miss America is about scholarships.
It's the same for cis women. I ain't getting in that show.
There is still room for an ugliness contest. That way no one feels offended.
@@getthekool1758- Yeah, but still, most of them are gorgeous. They are all winners in my eyes.
@@customfantasyhotwheels My point is there is a difference between what is ugly and what is beautiful. And seems people are getting offended because the reality is what is superior is better, and this is how life works.
How long before they turn the comments off on this
Tans videos employee is back from vacation I guess
Don’t refer to natural women as cyst women I’m just a woman. You identify as trans women I call you as you address your gender. Don’t rename me 😤 and think it’s ok ITS NOT
Exactly! If they cannot refer to us as "biological males and females", then they have to be comfortable with being called "tra**ies" 🤷♂️
Cyst 💀 It's "cis"
@@gluttonyarchbishop - Neither; it's *BIOLOGICAL.*
Get it right.
Im just correcting the commentor's spelling. I would get it if the word "cisgender" might sound like a slur or something offensive or something out of place because me myself didn't encounter it until a year ago. So here's the definition of cisgender.
denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 did i sound like im proposing an argument? informing people about the definition of the word isn't explicitly saying "oh you should actually not be scared of the word, it's not a slur, please stop being offended". i am not in any way ordering this commentor to stop being scared of the word. and why are you asking me this? i literally said "i would get it if TLDR", and now you're telling me i don't understand that they don't want to be called "cis"?
These girls inspire me to get skinny
what girls? I looked at the whole video and I didn’t see any girls
These are actually biological men we with plastic surgery they will never be real women or experience everything that actual women do
Thank God I'm American Trans Women in the USA but I do enjoy watching these Trans Beauty Pageants from these country, I hope who ever watching this video to learn more about our Trans community and not judge like these Online trolls with stupidity negative comments about Trans women, if ya don't like watching the video then don't watch go away K!
oh hunny you'll find more acceptance online than you ever will in real life. unless you live in a libbed out shthole, everyone hates trans women.
Don't be fooled by their looks, it's tempting, but they are biologically male they should be embracing the natural bodies that God gave them
This makes more sense than them joining miss universe which is traditionally for natural born women. How can you push for transgender acceptance when you're already stepping the boundaries of nature. Fight for your rights, but don't say you are a woman coz you're not. But you are an amazing transgender woman and that's something to be proud of
They're just having a good time. Leave them alone.
These men have mutilated and sterilized their bodies, the will never be real women
I keep coming back to Vice News hoping that they do more in-depth reporting about things that matter like Ukraine, and Israel, but each time I'm sadly disappointed. What happened?
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
These are not women in any sense or by any standards they will never ever now what a real woman goes through...
They trans they never said they are female
💯 percent right
@erinlevere6881ell obviously they think they are women which they are not
Awesome video.
Vice news in 2023 is something else
They’ve fallen off so hard and it’s sad to see
They are beautiful!!
They are men, don't be fooled by their looks, biologically they are men, they haven't gone through the experiences that women do they won't be real women
A beauty pageant cant be the only platform for all the social equality that trans people are trying to achieve. A beauty pageant is about beauty, and gender dysphoria does need passing. But many pass in the normal world, to win, someone has to be a more pleasing to the eye.
I am a filmmaker student, in my own way and from my work, I am working and struggling on a project to help change these kind of social problems. I am from the same country as Javiera, and even that, myself as a man, struggle all the time finding people from the LGTB community to join my project. My point is, the world is like that, the only way to fulfill a change is creating something new; maybe judging these kind of events is not the proper way to find a solution, after all, most of them are "almost" honest, I mean they are always about beauty, that's the all point. If someone finds this must change then the solution is create a contest about something else, where beauty wwould be a minor factor.
They are beautiful
😂
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm assuming you are male-wouldn't you chat up any one of them?
@@NyanyiC hell nah
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm sure you won't realize it at first. Like I said they are beautiful
They are beautiful. I ended up marrying a Thai trans girl. Best decision I ever made.
5:23 The term "mermaid" is rather cute and enduraning.
I think it's discriminatory towards cows. Why doesn't anyone want to be a cow only a mermaid?
Here come all the sensitive boys crying about “wokeness” 🙄
I always laugh at that because they're basically saying they're asleep.
you can call them whatever they want, but those are just men 😂
maybe its because you're woke?
which is a good thing btw@@666j1
It's not 'wokeness', it's flat out sexism
I feel Transgenders should have their own pageants.
The Video that was showed was about a Transgender's Beauty Pageant which is Miss International Queen!
They do this is Miss international queen and Miss Tiffany Universe also Transuniverse.
Agreed
This story is more to show bigotry still exists. Just read the comment section to see the people of this world still have an obsession about things that don’t affect them.
When it’s being shoved in our face 24/7, being told how to think and talk, and pushed onto children, then yes it does affect everyone wether they want it to or not. Any reasonable person who doesn’t agree with your world views and speaks out against it are not bigots.
@@myron1231234it doesn’t affect you though. It’s “pushed in my face 24/7” and I feel perfectly fine, sounds like a personal problem there buddy
Most people are too busy just ‘getting by’ these days to notice, let alone *comment, to be more accurate …
@@zu-tangclan8113 good for you buddy, eat this stuff up. But I noticed you didn’t comment on the part of you guys forcing us to think and talk a certain way like you and if not were just being bigots, and heavily pushing it into children face 24/7 in which parents are now bigots for not wanting it.
@@myron1231234 you sure have an imagination. Pushed in your face 24/7. Really? This story was pushed in your face or did UA-cam recommend it because you have been looking up terms like trans, lgbtq, gay. Typically you are only recommended videos that you previously searched for. I wouldn’t call that being shoved in your face but more you looking for it to be presented to your face.
I am a woman and I want to enter this space
How do you compete with artificial beauty full of surgeries and silicon? And they are not women, just men.
Mmm, I doubt a real woman would be allowed., but trans allowed in women's spaces.
happy to see this subject explored with the level of nuance it deserves!! thank you to Rana for the insightful coverage
They are biological men not real women
"It's a celebration of passing-who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." That sounded like an insult to all transwomen
Мужчина извращенец не является женщиной lol
Why is it an insult to trans women, we’re criticizing the institutions which subjected us to these standards,, 😅
Great interviewer.
As a cis-gender woman, I went in drag to see the Barbie movie. It was my protest against women (whether trans or not) feeling compelled to appear in this way. As Rana Thamrin said, it leaves a person wondering if she needs to be changing her appearance radically, if she cannot be accepted as she is- as she is in her skin, in her nature. Appearances are all very well, but aren't we each a lot more complex than that? There was an eye-opening documentary some years ago about plastic surgery in Venezuela- how women's body images were being literally shaped and dictated by one man and his ideas about what they should all look like- and how even very poor women were getting breast enhancement surgery. This is not it, but similar- ua-cam.com/video/VtddBzqe-vE/v-deo.html
there’s no way for a man to be a woman other than stereotypes, that’s not true for real women.
You have been so brainwashed by the trans movement. The correct term is *"biological woman".*
The term "cisgender" is the word used by trans-women and trans-men used to give themselves away (whether they are passable or not).
what
"as a cis-gender woman" opinion discarded
@@zenster1097 - 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yup. Get out of here with that "cisgender" rhetoric BS.
How about we just stop overthinking everything and just let people do whatever the fuck they want
because while there are some trans women competing in beauty pageants, there are countless other trans women out there being beat, raped, shunned because they don't look "passing" and to reinforce this, only the most passing, gorgeous trans woman is their voice? it's pretty sad. at least least trans women and cis women share this issue.
This is just a certain topic of discussion that is interesting to at least talk about. And like the person above me said, when there's countless non-passing transwomen being killed for being said non-passing (also cis women being killed for "appearing trans") how do these pageants presenting mostly passing trans-women effect those non-passing transwomen? It's just a question to be reckoned with.
@@nicolemarie1360I agree that these trans women shouldn't be treated like trash, but I also believe that the should embrace being what they really are and that is a male, they need theropy
Vice news used to bring us the best groundbreaking reports from active conflicts and now this is what we have. Holy smokes have they fallen out of touch.
What's wrong with this? This is variety. They can do both.
@@nate6045propaganda being pushed nonstop.
@@nate6045They just have a problem with understanding that videos have a schedule which may not be congruent to current events.
Umadbro?
I mean, I get where you're coming from but a leftist news outlet like Vice asking legitimate questions about beauty norms and talking about how trans culture still isn't free from sexist standards that the larger emancipation movement has sought freedom from is actually pretty refreshing. This obviously isn't your ballpark, neither is it mine, but this stuff is still interesting to a lot of people. If you think about it, often trans women still strive after what some would call patriarchal beauty norms, which is a bit of a mindfuck. I could see how some people would abhor the reinforcement of barbie esque stereotypes by people they might accept as women but who have not shared the same burdens as them.
Sure, what's happening in Gaza right now is more shocking, more relevant, etc. Still, there's so much coverage on that it's hard to see anything else. It is important to keep an active discourse about our standing and our rights and where we are going, to be reflective even on things that can't possibly compare to the hardships of war. Everything else pales compared to the hardships of war. However if we stop talking about these things we lose track of the different undercurrents at play and the way we actually want our future to look like. When you lose track of those things as a group or society, never ending chaos ensues. We all know what that looks like.
Maybe both
Also do reports on Bangladesh please
I remember when vice actually talked about important news and made amazing documentaries. Sad
Aww poor you
@@BohoBeadsI mean vice filed for bankruptcy, so poor them.
Funny the people who go on and on and on about empathy are the biggest fuckin pricks walking the earth
Beautifully done. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
They are men in disguise as women don't let their looks fool you
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
Lol brutal 🤖
Trans women, men in disguise
0:42 if you want people to listen to anything your hauking yes it is lol
And that is the answer loser will give. I bet you they won't think that way should they had won.
Trans or not. It's bizarre.
Not in a good or bad way.
Just bizarre.
Agree. I am trans and coming from Philippines where pageants are a BILLION pesos industry, it's stupid and degrading to all women.
It's bad, your physically changing your body to look like the opposite sex, god made you either a man or woman
Miss Pinay slayed!
Your conclusion was always something that was obvious honey, I apologise, but they chose to be there.
"It's a celebration of passing...who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." Totally DISAGREE with that statement! If that was indeed the case, then the extremely feminine Thai candidates would have won the crown every year but apparently they are not always that competent in the Q & A portion. The eventual winner in the pageant featured here which is Miss Philippines is not even the most feminine in the group but she possessed the so-called "whole package" of beauty and brains equal ratio. Obviously this interviewer only mentioned that statement after her one obvious personal choice/bet didn't make it to the Top 3.
gurl there's a tea for that year.. that year the Philippines bought license to MQI to be held in the Philippines, that's why they won. however with that being said, if you watched closely the judges judged the contestant really mainly around how they look not their advocacy, which is fair but that's what I meant. in my opinion based on the final question Colombia should have won, but in the end, this is all about business ... so I hope this would enlighten and shed light to your accusation towards me.
@@Ranatastic It is not just an Extemporaneous Speaking Contest after all. There's a reason why those distinguished judges were appointed and there's a reason why you are just a mere spectator and will never be qualified as a member of the judging panel...your opinion is just as irrelevant as all the other spectators who think this and that should have won. Back to the statement about "who could pass more as a cis-woman"...then the Thai candidates should have won every year if that point was accurate. This reporter should try sticking to fair journalism, especially in the pageant industry where all candidates have entire countries rallying behind them.
Thanks for sharing!
The former is correct no need for a whole video
Not comparable nor should they be. Different foundations regardless of adding or subtracting.
Where is your coverage on the Israel Palestine conflict?!
I do not really have much to say about this topic either way...but you are right whats going on in the Middle East is more important/topical
Vice has extensively covered middle eastern issues for over a decade. They'll get around to it . Also since this was filmed in 2022 Im guessing this is just a re-release on UA-cam, not necessarily new
They would be making propaganda for HAMAS anyways.
Hasn’t VICE filed for bankruptcy? I doubt their reporters will be travelling much, if they have any reporters.
I expected this channel to release videos about Israel-Gaza, which is by far the biggest news story of the month.
They have...
@@mrobject9113 They haven't released any since the invasion began on 7 October. Videos released months/years ago can't be about the current war.
Honestly, they don't need to.. Every other news source is reporting on it, if VICE chooses to report on other things and not just follow everybody else, good on 'em.
They jusy didn't start working on this video. This video seemed to be in making for while.
@@AbbieTheSecond Reporting on the world's biggest event of the year is obviously necessary for any news channel.
I just want to say not all clinics like this I think the owner, surgeon can actually get a bigger premises more room. The recovery room is really not hygienic and doesn’t look safe to me. Anyway they seem to doing well.
Gender affirming clinics are body mutaltion clinics very sickening
"News"
I wish I can understand what leads a man to this.
Hormones 🤣
I wish I could understand why you're so obsessed with what's in someone's pants or with what you THINK is the popular thing to cry about.
if someone said this about gay men everyone would call it homophobia
Gender euphoria and other people taking advantage of these men's confusion by telling them that they are women trans women which is a fat lie
Not a single one of them will ever be a true woman lmao
They never said that. They are living like a woman. That’s the spirit. Not necessary to be a real woman. Just live like one
They know they are trans that’s the point they know they aren’t biological women
💯 percent agree with you they are imposters
But they still never be a real woman 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Exactly
I support lgbtq+
Don’t forgot the P. Be inclusive
LGB. The rest was hijacked.
@@unboxedcharacterp? Pansexual?
@@unboxedcharacter Well, it appears the majority (basically everybody) of LGBT+ people aren't inclusive for not including that P. That's something you made up to make LGBT people seem disgusting and dangerous.
@@unboxedcharacter What is the meaning of the "P" letter?
Omg this is like such a pressing question and we demand answers!!
Definitely reinforcing stereotypes.
They just copied the concept from the Philippines. Our trans pageantry is way way back
These are MEN😂
They are Trans women.
👍
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Simplemente son otro tipo de Mujer, así lo declaró la Ciencia y, son hermosas seres Humanas.
I THINK that that's is just sou Wrong in all ways
Its not Cis Gender Woman, it's Woman
Saying the silent part out loud, props 🙏
Dudes in dresses would be a better title.
At least they wear that dress and shine. And You can do nothing but cry
Who look better than most women you ever been with
@@erinlevere6881 you’re comparing oranges to Adam’s apples.
@@turkeysnot1 they do look better than most women you ever been with. Am I lying be honest?
@@erinlevere6881 you’re not lying but you are wrong. You are just as delusional as they are.
The fact that we get free videos from VICE News on UA-cam is priceless, keeping the education and knowledge alive. 🙏🙏🙏
True.
Not for much longer they are bankrupt
Bro 😂
Honey, the Gworls are GIVING BEAUTY QUEENS YAAAASSS!!!!
Yay Philippines!!!!
Papai cici - Malaysia ❤❤❤❤
I hate the scary background tense music when the patients are in the recovery room. I think you are just jealous of the girls who have had surgeries when actually you’re faking the way you sound when you speak
These patients are men who mutated their bodies and sterilized them selves
Beauty peagents are a result of basic human desire the feeling of being wanted and desired. Few questions and answers does not defines someone’s internal beauty. I can’t criticise it because I am also a human and I like being desired and attractive. But these pageants of any gender doesn’t define our true beauty. These contest only makes less attractive people more insecure. A day will come the technology like DNA modification and designer baby will make all people externally beautiful, especially the one who can afford it.
Well done small documentary, will pass to all my trans friends.
What a great point of you!
These people should embrace the natural bodies that God gave them, it's not good to try to change your sex if your born a man your a man if born a woman your a woman, the gender was decided when the sperm fertilized the egg. Xx chromosomes are female while xy chromosomes are male.
A natural woman can enter this right? Like trans woman can participate in natural woman sports? 🤔
Get a life already.
No, this is Thailand, Trans or ladyboys (Krathoey in Thai) have their own competition, we don’t mix up like the western countries.
Like box of candy you don't know which one have coconut and how big it is.
Thank you for this video. I see awesome trans people in everyday life & celebrate their being a part of everything. They don’t look like these beauty pageant queens but in the cisgender world of pageants, the same is true. I celebrate all our uniqueness.
Do you celebrate 'new women' using all-female spaces?
“Cis gendered” is so offensive.
@@annenelson5656 I agree.
We should just use "healthy" and "trans".
@@RisetoStrength "vanilla" and "Trans". Healthy, normal, real to describe cis is extremely offensive the other way.
@@rsync9490 I prefer healthy/normal and trans.
Vanilla applies something else entirely.
Miss International Queen 2022
Let me clarify, i do not hate. That's your perspective and feelings of your creation. Yes, i could hate, but that's a choice, and there's more like love, compassion and empathy too. In growing up was taught religion of Christ, and in no eay Jesus never hated anyone throughout the years he was on Earth. God considers these lifestyles choices a sin, a given example is, Sodom and Gomorrah, in those cities had wickedness, but God was going to destroy, prior which is very important he sent two Angles in, but God didn't immediately destroy, he warn, and if you realize you are the one that hate, perhaps frim your personal experiences and your projecting your hate up us. Only hate i have is what if your wrong, and we are warning your pending doom? Personal choices have its own individual accountability. If its considered a sin, and I'm trying to warn it is the concern of the soul which when the body is finite the soul, consciousness is eternal. Trans person, even when you try to erase the outside the internal is hardwired including the dna, we cannot change the xx, and xy.
Jesus didn't hate? What about with the money lenders and the bull whip?
God is watching
😂😂😂🤡🤪
Look busy everyone!
God is a fictional character.
@@kingboobs20that fictional character has done more for the culture of our world than you ever will and will be remembered long after you're dust
Crazy world this.
How many licenses does a multiple persinality person need, comparably?
I don't think it's right that they choose to do this, but I still love them. They are fellow humans and are loved by God. They can change their minds and become birth gender reconstituted.
God isn’t real
They are not women
Women are nurturing
Men are not
I agree with you👍
Wow I loved this video! I'm so glad that trans pageants are getting more attention. I've been watching The Miss International Queen pageant for a while now and I plan on competing in 2025!
You'll win
Negative attention for stealing women's place, with lot of implants and surgeries you mean?
@@brycebray9149 You really think so? The women for the 2023 round were super intimidating so I’m a little nervous about it all haha
Good Luckkkk I Will Support You Queen🥳💕
Great video, as a trans person who began transitioning early in my life, it's good to see how attitudes change. As a kid there was only the most disgusting representation of trans women, and it made me hate myself growing up.
If you began transitioning at a young age than your parents let you down and they need to be locked up and investigated by the state. A lot of this ideology stems from early childhood abuse.
I have no issue with trans women competing against other trans women. No issue with that at all. But I personally don’t like beauty pageants.
As long as trans women understand they are trans women and not biological “real” women, I am more than accepting.
Do I have this correct? As long as trans women don't participate in society, you're perfectly accepting.
Is the same true for trans men?
Can you do a video on hypohydrosis
Respect each other ❤
your saudi arabia boss isn't gonna like this one
what happened too vice news?? what a joke this news channel has become lmao
"I can't help feeling insecurities that I need to maybe have plastic surgery." Of course you feel insecure, you are born as a man not a woman. No one is going to stop this nonsense because it is all about the MONEY!
I see nothing wrong with this
You think it's okay for a person to change his or her body that God gave them, they are mutilating their bodies and their lives,, these leftist people that want to tell little children that it's okay to change your sex is evil
What a fascinating topic indeed! More power to the ladies featured here 👏🏽
@@Answersonapostcardyes. Ladies
@@wheatlysparble7900 I agree with you: Ladies.
@@AnswersonapostcardI know right!
@@AnswersonapostcardYes transgender women we are biological male but our gender is female so you understand! So yes we are ladies!
@@Zulimozzart Just accept the reallity of things. This do not seem honest. Participating with lots of surgeries was not even allowed for women, some time ago. Why you are just entittled to do everything "because"?