EXCLUSIVE REVIEW! Epson LS800 SUPER Ultra Short Throw Projector |Ultimate 4K HDR Gaming/Home Theater
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2022
- The EPSON LS800 is a new 4K laser projector designed to sit on an A/V cabinet & replace your TV with a huge 100-inch or 120-inch 4K image. With its ambient light rejection screen, you get deep blacks and vivid colors that pop off the screen. In rooms with lots of sunlight, it’s the perfect way to bring the movie theater experience into your living room.
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Even though I'm not interested in a short throw projector, still watched to the end. I think that says it all about this video!
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it
Splendid demo and info well done 👏🏼 👍🏼
Thank you from England 🏴
Our pleasure!
May be perfect for a media room that includes TV/gaming and occasional movies. Front projection may have the edge on dedicated theaters, but the line between USTs and standard throw models is clearly thinning. Nice video!
Thanks very much! Yes, we still like FPJ for the wall to wall image, but UST sure gets you a lot more screen for the $$ than a TV does.
Hi, in a dedicated ht room with total light control and zero ambient light... can this ust pj work with a standard white acoustically transparent screen? Surely an ALR screen is not required correct?
Absolutely! A standard white screen will work in that situation.
Excellent review I’m definitely getting this projector , just deciding on the screen, do you recommend projector screen paint?
If so what paint brand and type do you recommend for this projector ? My room is semi lit but can easily be darken.
Thanks.
Thank you. We do not recommend screen paint. You need a special ambient light regarding screen for a good experience
Please reach out to our team at www.audio advice.com to discuss. Thanks for watching
Will it output at least pseudo 16:10?
I have the Epson 2090 from audio Advice. Am I also capable to showing multiple games on one screen as mentioned into this video? Thanks
He is referring to the way some satellite dish services let you watch multiple games at the same time, sorry for the confusion. Thanks for your support, we hope you are enjoying your Epson projector!
Very encouraging for people wanting a huge picture but can't accommodate front projection. I love how close to the wall you can place it
Thanks Marty!
Would be so cool to try this for gaming!
It's a blast! Thanks for watching
Sleek! Great picture and setup.
Thanks!
Can you confirm if the distance - is it the wall to back of UST projector or wall to the actual location of the lens. I always get that confused when looking at other projectors.
It should be to the front of the lens.
When watching a Dolby Atmos film in Netflix, does this projector support it if connected to AV receiver support Dolby Atmos?
If you had an AVR the preferred connection would be a streaming device like an Apple, Nvidia, Roku, etc into the AVR and the AVR's video out to the LS800. The LS800 has an ARC port, but not eARC.
Great review. Thinking of getting this projector for our upcoming home theatre. Can the projector be mounted on the ceiling?
Thanks! Yes, you can.
which is better LS800 or formovie?
Is the screen acoustically transparent? Is it possible to put the center channel behind the screen? Thank You.
It is not, we have not yet seen an ALR that is acoustically transparent.
is there a difference in the quality between this and the normal ceiling mounted epson ls12000. thanks
It's going to depend on the situation you are using it in. If your room is light controlled and has space for the LS12000, that may be a better option. However, if you have ambient light, the short throw paired with the ALR screen will be better. Chat with one of our experts at audioadvice.com if you need help choosing what's best for you.
Which UST would you say has the better picture the LSP7 Samsung projector or this ls800? I’m in the market for one of these and the price is the same
Please reach out to our team at www.audioadvice.com for the best advice. Thanks for watching
What is the smallest image this will push out. I understand the range is 100" to 120", but is there a setting in the projector where you can dial it down to, let's say 80" or 75"
100".
How does the LS800 black levels compare to the LS500. That’s what I’m interested in. Also does it also support 3D like the LS500 does?
We have not compared them side by side. The LS800 is not 3D compatible. Thanks for watching
Ok went to epson website and the LS800 does not support 3D. Still would like to know about the black level comparison.
@@AudioAdvice yeah I own the LS500 and the black levels are bad. Wanted to know how much or if they improved it with the new LS800.
These projectors do not have black at all. It will drive you nuts after a while. No black bars on different ratio films just a horrible grey! Looks like an early LCD TV. You need a blacked-out room for ANY real contrast at all. This screen helps a bit in lighter rooms but to get any real contrast you need a blacked-out room.
What furniture are you using to fit center speaker and receiver?
This is a cabinet from Target that we took the middle doors off and customized it to fit the center and receiver inside.
what are your thoughts on Epson LS800 vs. AWOL Vision LTV-3500 150inch?
Sorry, we have never seen the AWOL
Epson projectors are a great value, and this seems like another excellent product.
Thanks for sharing!
Does it support 3D ? How is it v the LG or in a daylight room for TV watching ?
There is no 3D support, please reach out to our team at www.audioadvice.com for more details on comparisons. Thanks for watching
Great video. Is one of the hdmi ports eARC? Might just be a solution to my room
One is ARC but not eARC. Glad you enjoyed the video.
How is the viewing angle on the screen compared to say LED tvs when not sitting straight on towards the screen?
How do you get “4 games at once”? You mentioned the client wanted it but it was never shown
You have to do this by connecting a PC and manually moving the windows or certain apps like ESPN allow you to stream multiple games at once within their app.
Can I install any application on LS800 for example IPTV app?
It uses Android TV. You can check there for availability of apps.
Can it be ceiling mounted and also does it have rear projection mode?
Technically yes on the ceiling mount but it’s extremely challenging. No on rear. Thanks for watching
I bet that setup is incredibly immersive! Looks like a great solution for someone without dedicated space for a theater
Sure is! Thanks for watching
Can you put a speaker behind the screen? Also would it work on a console that is 23” high?
No, you cannot put a speaker behind the screen as it is not an acoustically transparent screen. Yes it should work OK on a 23 inch high console. Thanks for watching.
@@AudioAdvice ok. Thank you !
No dolby atmos or dolby vision why?so can I get atmos from atmos audio equipment
99% of people using this will have a separate home theater receiver with a Roku, Apple TV, Bluray etc to provide Dolby Atmos content. Plus what TV on its own actually does Dolby Atmos without faking it with tiny speakers.
Hi, do you know how to set-up sleep mode for this projector? There is only sleep timer that needs to be set everytime again. Or am I missing something?
In the settings you are able to set the screensaver time. The shortest amount of time is 15 minutes. You can choose between a screensaver or a blank screen. Also, make sure you've installed the latest update.
@@AudioAdvice Thank you very much, but I don't think this works when screen is connected to HDMI, is it? I thought this is only for when you are using projector's Android TV.
@@AudioAdvice Yeah, this doesn't work when Projector shows "No Signal" when connected by HDMI to some external video source (laptop).
Interesting. We will do some more testing and if we find anything we'll let you know. That would be a nice feature to have in a future update.
If you could choose between a projector and this, which one do you use?
Reach out to our team at audioadvice.com and they can help you pick what's best for your room. It will depend on the space you are working with. Thanks!
Hi,
Is there any eye protection mode for the laser display ?
Not that we know of, but you would have to intentionally put your eyes in front of it. If you have small children, it is probably better to wait until they are a little older
After further review, there is a safety feature that will automatically cut the light from the lens when it detects motion in front of it. So you can easily turn that feature on and not have to worry about anyone looking into the light.
The best feature of this UST projector is that it is 3-chip, which guarantees absolutely no hateful headache-inducing rainbow effect artifact (RBE). By comparison, the rest of the (more expensive) UST flotsam out there are all single-DLP, which will always mean unpredictable RBE. Some people will immediately criticize this projector as "fake" 4k (one wonders why instead of just double FHD like in the 5050, did epson not go whole hog by shifting the pixels 4-way to really get the 8 million pixels of UHD as done in the 12000). IMHO though, "fake" 4k or pixel-shifted 4k is an infinitely lesser evil if put alongside and compared with true 4k single-DLP, the latter with its pukey 1920s-era sequential-color RBE-spewing technology. The unpredictability of RBE is why professional settings (like cinemas) will never ever use single-chip projectors; they use 3-chip exclusively. That is why this 3-LCD UST epson can really claim to be cinema-like, which none of any pukey trashy expensive single-DLP with their massive amounts of RBE can throw a stick at. Thanks for the review.
What would be your choice atm when it comes to a UST projector? Seems that you did your homework :D
Yes, we mention that. No rainbow effect here. It would have been nice to make it more like the LS12000, which looks fantastic. Thanks for sharing
@@NoNNoGame The Formovie seems to be a good candidate and doesn't have the rainbow effect, at least in practice. Also it's contrast and black levels seem to be the best at the moment along with Dolby vision.
But trichroma is the future for DLP I hear colors are better but are they better than 3 lcd. Tricroma RGB vs 3LCD which has better colors?
@@AIBotnot The colors may individually be purer and better but there is no escaping the miserable truth about single-DLP: it has to necessarily use sequential color, and therefore prone to rainbow effect (RBE).
It does NOT have to be single-DLP. If there is 3-LCD, there is also 3-DLP. But the company behind DLP has priced its imaging chips sky-high, such that 3-DLP can only be found in professional projectors in cinemas. It is, in a way, understandable that home projectors are single-DLP; if companies used 3-DLP there is no way they can price the projectors below maybe $20k. So as single-DLP, sequential color has to be resorted to, with its attendant RBE.
Single-DLP projectors have some sophisticated specs: ALPD, discrete laser (one each R, G, B), etc but IMHO all that is equivalent to applying lipstick on a pig: it will not take away the need for sequential color, which is a quaint 1920s-era technology, to reproduce color, and spew RBE along with it.
Looks like a great solution for rooms where a front projector will not work.
It sure is. Thanks for watching
Does it support ceiling mounting?
Technically yes but we do not recommend ceiling mounting any projector like this. It is extremely difficult to get it in the precise position it needs to be
Hi, two questions:
1. Is there a native 50 Hz support for PAL TV?
2. Is the LS800 as loud as the LS500 with 50% brightness? I found the LS500 noisy. For me, the quietest UST is the Samsung LSP9T.
Thanks!
Not the US model. It seemed about the same noise level wise.
You can't compare this epson with the samsung in the sense that this epson is a full-fledge 3-chip projector (3-LCD) while the samsung (and the rest of the other UST trash) are all single-DLP with their 1920s-era sequential color technology that can unpredictably spew massive amounts of headache-inducing rainbow effect artifact.
@@noe3024 I had both the LS500 and the LSP9T as well as other USTs for testing. I could not detect any RBE with the Samsung. Of course, this is also a personal perception.
@@weikra2023 It's fortunate that most people are not sensitive to hateful RBE, or can learn to ignore it. If you don't see RBE, and will be the sole user of a single-DLP projector, good. However when a crowd gathers in front of that wretched single-DLP projector, some individuals will be more frustratingly sensitive to RBE than others. This unpredictability is why from day one, cinemas have and will never ever use any single-chip projector, lest they get sued for the potential headaches RBE will foist on those sensitive to it. In that regard, this LS800 projector's 3-LCD is a VERY big deal, IMHO much more important than its other attributes like laser, UST, and "fake" 4k.
No there are no "Native" short throw projectors on any market, except the 20K Sony one. They all use pixel shifting.
I was planning on getting the Formovie Theater which is a triple laser UST. But that one only has 2,800 lumens. The Epson LS800 has 4,000 lumens.. but it's not a triple laser. Am I losing anything by not getting a triple laser? Also, what are the lumens when going to 120" or 150"?
Come on man(the reviewer) tell us, you know the difference, i know you have to promote this for a little while since they sent you the unit to test.
@@rsingh5077 actually I don't know the difference. And I didn't hear the reviewer mention it. Nor did I get one. I don't review stuff like that. You can see my channel.
@@EvanWasHere he’s the one iam questioning
@@rsingh5077 ahhh
I was looking at the Formovie too!
How does this compare to Hisense 120 L9G?
Sorry, we have not seen the Hisense. Thanks for watching
Sounds like a great deal for the immersive experience that you get.
It certainly is!
Lumens aside, does the LS800 have better image quality over the LS500?
The LS800 is the new model and has better contrast. The LS500 is being closed out at a good deal though. Both are actually 4000 lumens but you can go up to a 150” screen with the 800. www.audioadvice.com/epson-epiqvision-ultra-ls500-laser-projection-tv
Can the bulbs be replaced on these models?
It uses a laser. By the time it would go out, we will probably have 16K :)
When did this ust projector come out from epson?
Right now, its brand new
@@AudioAdvice is it 4k or 1080p?
@@victorpulos823 It is Epson's pixel shift 4K, which does accept HDR and looks great, but the panels are 1080p.
Great solution when you want a larger that 85in picture but can't use a traditional front projector.
Yes it is, thanks for sharing
Dude, gotta move those plants off of the entertainment center!!! My OCD is killing me!!! 😁 I know who's decision it was to place them there because I also have a wife, but I can't have anything obstructing my screen (tv or projection)! 🤣
Haha, thanks for watching
Can i put it on the ceiling?
Technically you could be we highly recommend you do not. The screen will be fixed on the wall and you have to adjust things so precisely it is extremely difficult to accomplish and you will need a very expensive ceiling mount that allows for micro adjustments. Thanks for watching
Can this be ceiling mounted?
It can. There is a mode in the settings that will allow you to flip the image for ceiling mounting.
@@AudioAdvice great I be ceiling mounted when I buy this
We should point out it is extremely tedious to get the mount in the perfect position. You’ll need a very high end mount that allows for precise tiny changes. You also need to mount the screen upside down. While you can do it we do not recommend it.
@@AudioAdvice If ceiling mounted, does it have to be so close to the screen? or can it be mounted at the back of the room like a traditional front projector?
Talks about how excellent it is in well lit rooms despite the image in the background being horribly washed out.
It is difficult to show on camera but it is not washed out in real life.
@@AudioAdvice Thanks for the reply! It might be like the way regular TVs can look a bit glare-y on camera compared to with the eye. I’ll take your word then!
How much for screen and projector?
www.audioadvice.com/epson-ls800-super-ultra-short-throw-projector
What’s the price point on one of these?
There are some options, we have them all here www.audioadvice.com/epson-ls800-super-ultra-short-throw-projector Thanks for watching
Did you say it comes with an ALR screen? Because on Epson's website they are listed separately and Epson is sending you to amazon to buy the screen for USD 3k!!!! almost the cost of the projector itself (listed as USD 3.5k). That's more expensive than the vividstorm motorized floor rising screen and significantly more expensive than other UST/ALR screen bundles like the Hisense. I am a big fan of projectors and will never go back to small screens, but we already have ~100inch TVs under 10k (like the TCL 98-inch QLED). Surely the UST manufacturers must know the writing is on the wall. Unlike front projectors that will always have a market due to people with dedicated treated space, USTs will be a really hard sell if 100 inch TVs for ~5/6K become a norm...
They will have a package deal with the screen. www.audioadvice.com/epson-ls800-super-ultra-short-throw-projector+diagonalmeasurement-100 Here is one for the 100"
good
Thanks
How many ansi lumens?
The projector has 4,000 lumens, so its a super bright projector which is part of the reason this version of ultra short throw works in rooms like this.
@@AudioAdvice The actual brightness is measured in ANSI lumens though.
The diffirence between ls800and ls11000：
1.LCD：0.62‘’＜0.74‘’
2.4K Pro-UHD（4 million pixels）＜4K（8 million pixels）
I'm I right？
The main difference is the LS800 is a short throw and the LS11000 is a regular projector. We have not found the actual spec on the panel for the LS800 but that looks right for the 11000
Is there a equivalent screen that is less expensive?
Not that we know of. Thanks for watching
It looks a little washed out when you have the lights on. That's too bad. I thought this would hold up better in light given it's brightness.
It looks better in person than on the video, but like any projector, it appears brighter with the lights off.
@@AudioAdvice thanks for the clarification.
What is the prise
Here is a link to current pricing, thanks for watching www.audioadvice.com/epson-ls800-super-ultra-short-throw-projector
great projectors but no Netfix that can be install
You can simply use any separate streaming device like even a Chromecast piece for as little as $30. Thanks for watching
Is it ansi lumen
From the Epson site, the footnote on the 4000 lumens- Color brightness (color light output) and white brightness (white light output) will vary depending on usage conditions. Color light output measured in accordance with IDMS 15.4; white light output measured in accordance with ISO 21118.
I think I just found the replacement to my Epson Home Cinema 8350! Come on Best Buy and add this to your list so I can get 24 months same-as-cash (:>)
We are glad you like it! Thanks for watching
Only problem with short throws is that there is no where to put your center channel 😅 but would be perfect in a 2-channel setup!
It really depends on your space. My center channel is on a center channel stand in front of my projector, which I love since it also hides the projector from view.
Yes, it takes some creativity!
Good idea!
There are some cabinets coming out with short throw projectors that specific hide them. They are coming down in price.
That's my plan when I buy a UST.
Seems great, but lacks 3D support. I really want that, so I think I'll go with one of the new Optoma models.
Interesting, we see very little people asking for 3D these days. Thanks for sharing
I need 3d support
@@AudioAdvice 3d is immersive and still is much needed. The only reason why it has faltered is because of greed from company's making TV's and projectors trying to get more money by charging exorbitant prices for active glasses. They can incorporate passive 3d technology in their display devices and passive glasses work with 3d, they don't have batteries and work about as good as actives. And yes, Epson(which I love and have their projector currently), Optoma, Benq, Samsung and Sony are just some of the main ones that have done this. 3d is not dead, it just needs to be renvisioned on purpose instead of profit.
Get the AWOL Vision LTV-3500. It supports 3D and 34ms input lag for gaming. It's incredible and the creators recognise 3D is very important to home theatre enthusiasts.
@@AudioAdvice most 3d enthousiasts will have 3d at home already. But the latest tv's are from 2016 and will all be breaking soon. My 2016 oled just got heavy burnin. Am now looking for options. I still do not understand why 3d is not available in tv market. Friends and family keep being amazed here and often get reactions that it looks better than in a cinema. I want 3d too. Will have to go with a projector too.
Would've been perfect if they'd kept 3D, but having dropped it then no sale!
Yes, we have had several people mention the lack of 3D. Its interesting, we get zero demand for it in our stores. Thanks for watching
That's a lot of PICTURE (120") for $5500!
Yes it is! Thanks for watching
At least add 3D as a cost+ option.
So bascially an advert for Epson. At the cost of this NON NATIVE 4K projector when paired with that screen you can have a much better image with a TV where the blacks are darker and you importantly get much better HDR. That said if money was no object I'm a sucker for a projector because for me they bring a greater sense of occasion when watching movies.
Bigger is better
@@AudioAdvice Better is better :P
No Netflix app, no Ethernet port !!!!, no Dolby Vision contrary to other USTs
It has wireless with Android TV but we highly recommend you pair it with an audio system where an Apple TV or Shield could be used. Thanks for watching
Going to be interesting to see how many of these audio companies survive the incoming financial doom that is around the corner. Hang on people, going to be a wild ride.
Well, Epson missing the point. If I am going to have a grey big screen there, I better go for a TV then.
Its personal preference, but yes,when you are not using it, you will see a big wall of grey. Thanks for watching
They always good, but also always overpriced F that
No Dolby Vision and eARC kills this projector.
Those are not features you see on projectors, TV's yes, but not projectors.
There are actually two things to be considered here where ARC is concerned.
First, projectors have traditionally always been a video-only device. It's considered swankier than a TV, and people setting up one will nearly always pair it with equally bombastic sound that can only come with an AVR and dedicated set of surround speakers. IMHO Epson should NOT have even bothered including the yamaha 2.1ch speakers on it; that would have made it cheaper. That there is even ARC is a nice thought.
Second, ARC is useful for introducing audio taken off whatever is being streamed from any of the apps on the LS800, to a connected AVR. But virtually all streamed programs I have ever viewed only had at most 5.1 dolby digital, which ARC can comfortably output. eARC would have been nice, but I don't think streamed sources will ever feature DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD or atmos soon, which will require eARC.
No 3D......no sale.
Why do you compare projectors with tv's ? And there's other projectors out there providing almost if not the same service. Tv's will always be more expensive, I feel it's like comparing a bike to a car...All in all it's great projector.
Because people ask us all the time. Thanks for watching
No earc
ARC only, no eARC.
6m 47s .....all I need to knows if native 4k ....
No thanks you 😒 I will stick to my 1080p until the price drop down....
Fair enough!
Looks dull and requires way too low light to operate effectively.
There are definitely trade offs when you want a 120" immersive screen like this. However, it can be hard to portray brightness on a projector through a camera and we can say it looks better in person.
As Audio Advice says it looks better in person than on the video. I have the LS500 and it works great for living room area. Blacks are not great though.
@@randito70030 Thanks for the inside info. I need fantastic contrast and blacks for the darker movies I enjoy. Guess I’m sticking with OLED.
If not true 4k then it is fake 4k
It is their pixel shift 4K, but frankly most people who see it are very happy with it, their projectors are the same and look great. Thanks for watching
Not so impressive as my vava
Looks washed out
We really don't see how anyone can tell what a projector looks like by watching a YT video.
No 3D👎, no projector!!
I love the photo shop stretched images kind of showing 2.35 ratio screen. In your dreams! These projectors do NOT have blacks, you will get grey. Lots of info about games but try a film made for 24 FPS. Judder and or artifacts, your choice. To get any kind of dark detail you must have a near blacked out room. Dolby vision only partly works because of a poor dynamic range. It's a big picture for sure, quality no. 4K..no. better choice O led. If size is the main factor, it may be OK but if quality of picture is important, this is NOT the answer, or any other short throw projector. Make sure you get a demo before you buy. Take a flash drive with you showing a film with lots of dark scenes and fast-moving objects, don't watch the standard demonstration shots with lots of bright slow-moving scenes where everything looks wonderful.
This is pure marketing speak and has zero objective measurements.
Spoken like a marketing head.
8 year old chipset, no HDMI 2.1 with full bandwidth, no ULLM, no 4K@120hz, no eARC.... utter rubbish and waste of money at that price point.