Projector White Screen vs ALR Screen - YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS!
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- If you own a UST Laser Projector, you may have heard people mention that you need an ALR screen to complete the setup - so I'm showcasing the benefits and differences they can make as compared to cheaper Matte White Projector Screens.
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This video summarizes perfectly why I should get rid of my projector and get a big OLED TV instead
to each their own, i like having my 140" display and my pockets aren't deep enough for Samsung's The Wall...
@@EK6O3O Not everyone has room for a 140" screen. You can buy a 100"+ 4k tv for just over £2000, which is cheaper than this setup. Projectors are great but the fact is TV's are getting bigger and cheaper. When I bought my first Projector, a large TV was 65", now that's the norm.
That's my first choice as well, if not because I am only staying for a few years for university
Get an OLED
OLED and LCD screens all suffer from too many drawbacks for me. Mainly banding and DSE, which seems to have gotten worse over the years. Probably due to QC and them being a mass market product where many people won’t even notice or care. DLP with RGB lasers are pretty much the cleanest image you can get right now.
You just saved me thousands mate; thanks for the thorough video!
I have a 55“ OLED TV for the daylight and a 200£ Projector for sports in die evening- works fine
Wow, apparently motorized tension is a must for for short throw projectors.
I originally wrote a comment trolling you asking if you hit your white screen with a baseball bat to make it that wavy. Then I realized short throw projectors are way more attected by any waves in the screen. Yikes. Well, i definitely learned something today. Also, i never knew there were floor mounted projectors screens. Combining the short throw projector and floor mounted screen into one box base is awesome! Great video
Thank you for sharing!
Wow that was a lot of effort to show all those different permutations and tell us about them. Thanks!
To fix the tension on the white screen get big elastic bands screw in a hook in each side on the bottom screen plastic pole ends on the pipe screen & then put 2 screws in to the floor on each side below the screen or scurtin board & pull the elastic band down to the floor from the screen & hook on to the the bottom floor hooks that pull the screen nice & tight ✌️
Have been waiting for this review for sometime. Using DiY cheap alr curtain and have been holding on to get a premium one. Thanks mate.
Glad it was helpful!
Stop painting the room in light colours. There is a reason commercial cinemas have dark if not black walls and ceilings. It stops visible light from bouncing back to the screen and lifting the black level.
Simply put this grey screen sends back less light BUT 100% of that signal is polarised that makes image so vivid and properly coloured. We are only loosing reflected distorted light that wasn't straight and was introducing blurring. Less is more 💥
*losing
Even in a dark room you need an ALR/CLR screen. On a standard white screen most of the light from a UST projector will end up on the ceiling! If ambient light isn’t an issue you would be much better off with a standard long throw projector.
in my personal opinion the sixe and brightness of a ust projector is so mind blowing the alr screen isnt necessary until it redues significantly in price.
for context i have been using the xgimi aura 4k straight on to a wall that is painted grey using a high gloss black mixed with a matt white. had this set up for 8 months as my only tv. everyone is blown away. i pull the curtains at the same times of day i had to with my old tv and the size and quality make up for any lack of brightness in the daytime.
paint costs about $35 and is already a significant upgrade to a white wall.
Thats a really great choice. To be honest, if I had a large enough empty wall space, I would look at doing something like this too, without having to spend a LOT of money purely for an ALR screen.
thank you
I used to project to white wall and my only concern was the wall irregularities getting enhanced by UST.. otherwise it was great and not limited to any screensize...
@michaelt8682 hmmm. very interesting research man. very good !
i'm really diggin the experimental aspect of this sport/hobby !
please may i ask, what was the approximate ratio of gloss black to matt white,
and is it oil or water-based paints ?
@@onedayagogo I'm afraid I couldn't tell you off hand. my ADHD brain can't remember! but I did several ratios and painted some ply with the different paint ratios and tested them with a projector. it was just trial and error really. however I would say you use more black than you Imagine, and my wall is *quite* a dark grey
I have an older Epson 3LCD short throw projector l, would I still benefit from using an ALR screen?
I"m watching your video on my Benq Tk800 (That still has a great picture) on a 115" fixed white matt screeen. I sometimes want to buy a laser projector. But, The price of an ALR screen scares me. To tell you the truth I'm not sure that the defference in picture quality between the ALR vs white matt warrants the price difference. What I might do is try a laser projector on my white matte screen before i spend a fortune on a ALR screen. Thanks for the vedio.
Thanks for your comment! The price is definitely excessively more expensive for an ALR, which I agree isn't warranted, especially if you only watch content in the dark. Try a laser on your white screen and see what you think. ALR is recommended if you plan to watch a lot during daylight tbh.
Awesome review. Like the comparison between screens.
Thank you!
Good review. Not blown up with a lot of distracting non relevant information. This is the way reviews should be done! Comparison and facts.
Thank you very much! I always aim to do straight to the point reviews 😊
Good review! Thanks
I have a laser projector and my contractor put a white projector screen in my all black and darker out room. I don’t know if it’s ALR or not, should I be concerned?
Did you request a white screen or did he just recommend you have one? You should ask your contractor what material the screen is made of, since you paid for it.
Gain is meaningless when projecting images. What's important is reflected light into a specific viewing angle. Ambient light rejection is the flip side of incident light reflection.
Good matte white is not cheap It's a medicre projection surface for a seated audience because it scatters more than 90% of the incident light outside the viewing area. Glass beaded surface screens were reflective and returned light very close to the path of incidence, making them more efficient but with a limited viewing angle. ALR is a compromise between these two. Examples of more affordable ALR are SCREENPRO fixed frame 92" T Prism UST $800 aliexpress SCREENPRO100" Motorized Floor Self-Rising 8K ALR Screen ~$1100
I believe the window behind the white screen is what's causing the distortion. The pressure cause the window isn't completely sealed is slightly moving the fabric, not to mention the heat variations. Either that or you intentionally have a fan on to move the fabric cause you can definitely make out the fabric moving in the darker portions of the video.
Window is closed and air tight, and definitely no fans on in the room. I think because of it free hanging from the ceiling mount causes it to move slightly, but I highly doubt any of these are causes. I have used many projectors (including laser ones) on this screen with no distortion - you can see this from my many projector reviews in a playlist on my channel.
Unfortunately I don't have a dedicated home theater room so I have to make the best of it.
For day and evening viewing I mostly use my Sony 85" TV.
There are nights when I want to be immersed I then push a button on my remote, my 120" motorized screen will drop down in front of my Sony TV to enjoy.
Information in this video is wrong unfortunately. ALR screens do not give you a brighter image, they actually have the opposite effect. They reject light from above (ceiling lights usually) and are innately gray to help with the black levels in a moderately lit room. If you are in a moderately dark room you should use a neutral gain screen as it will increase the lifespan of your projector since you can use a lower brightness setting. In extremely dark rooms or when using a LED projector you should use a higher gain screen.
ALR screens in a dark environment will have less performance than a standard projector screen. the contrast on these low gain screens will be worse in such a situation as compared to a standard screen. The viewing angles will be slightly be worse. Color accuracy will be slightly worse as well.
ALR screens are useful in the circumstance they were made for, however they are not a replacement for standard white screens which perform better in darker rooms and theaters. The white screen in your video is made from cloth and from the looks of it polyester based, of course it will not look good as compared to a screen that cost anywhere from 5-10 times to make.
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I started off on s White screen and later just used my white wall lol it worked better but later i just used black screen and it was best choice no doubt
I'm curious what the model is of the media center furniture piece you have that allows for the UST and the screen to be so seamless?
I've added the link to it in the description :)
To be pedantic, that's a CLR screen, it rejects light from the ceiling/above. An ALR screen rejects light from everywhere except the projector. ALR for UST projectors are few, but the Formovie fresnel screen is actually ALR. ALR screens also exist for normal projectors and are beneficial, but they're a little less effective since they can't reject light from above. CLR screens that aren't motorized can be had for $450 or so, Wemax makes affordable ones that aren't as good as the best, but vastly better than a matte white.
ALR screens are also available for long throw projectors.
But wont much effect as much as UST type
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Thats a sick media unit u have there was that the 6k package u did am going for the px pro 2
Why can’t someone just get a screen and paint it vanta black?
Why?
@@mmoszkito I figured it would be darker than most surfaces possibly
@@caryroberts6748 But then the projection would be dark too (probably almost invisible I guess), these fancy surfaces reflect the projectors light but not the ambient light
Great review! I too have a Screeneo U5, but struggling with where/how to place it. May I ask, where did you get your custom furniture? :)
Thank you! I put the links to the custom furniture on my other review of it here:
ua-cam.com/video/H5CFkMt38cg/v-deo.html
How do you think, will ALR screen improve my home theatre experience, if i am using not laser, but DLP projector? (Xgimi RS Pro 2)
for that price you better off selling the projector and getting a proper tv. ALR screens don't make sense price wise IMHO. but the image quality will be improve if you buy the right one.
@@TaskerTech «proper tv» (any tv, actually) instead of Projector? Seriously?!...... Never.
Thanks.
Nice review. Do you have a recommendation for a 'somewhat affordable' long throw ALR screen?
Thanks - Its hard finding a really affordable true ALR screen, even though there are some cheap rip-offs on eBay claiming to be ALR. Usually you would have to spend over $1000 for a really good one, but I think you can try check this, which is somewhat affordable: geni.us/5ueX
@@TrendingReviews thank you for the suggestion!
Luv the techinal details in rhe video👍🏽
So...I hope the guy at Best Buy didn't tell me wrong. I have a 110" Black Diamond slate. It will look OK with the short throw projector, right? Teaming it up with an Epson LS800.
I have a 150 4k laser projector. I've tried all the screens and my favorite was just the matte white wall that was behind the screens. I have a very smooth white wall with zero texture. Especially in darker rooms. The wall is also best because there no fabric waves or black border
So u say wall is better than white screens? I was going to invest in a screen 😂
I change from fine grain white wall after 3 years of using my laser UST projector, to vividstorm ust alr Spro120.
It worth!
hey everyone, love the video, so I recently had the idea of getting one of these motorized screens as a window cover or blind, reasoning is I have a very large (107" wide x 62" high and the bottom of the window is 6 feet of the ground. To buy a motorized blind I was looking at around $500 vs buying one of these screens for $375. No I was wondering if anyone has had any issues using it as a window covering?
Where did you get the projector cabinet from
I've got the link in the description.
Your room is having a huge affect on your image quality. Even when you close your window blinds there is still a lot of light in your room. Painted walls no matter how dark will still reflect light back onto your screen.
yeah I think because I showcased it still during the day time when there is still light peaking through the shutter cracks, it might not be the best, but at night time, it definitely is noticeable difference
Hi, do you think I really need a skreen for the wemax go advance ?? the $20 portable , or it is not difference with the white wall ??
Nice review. Could you also share information on the cabinet where you placed UST?
Thank you! You can see it in my other video here: ua-cam.com/video/H5CFkMt38cg/v-deo.html
ALR is not worth the extra premium we pay. In a dark room white screen aint that bad
Its worth it for a lot of day time viewing
@@TrendingReviews i mostly watch movies @ night. So white screen is more than enough. ALR screens cost is triple that of a good white screen
@@oblivion_007alr screens help with nighttime viewing as well. Less light is being reflected back to your walls/ceiling etc
Yes it definitely helps alot. Cant just always watch night time.
True but with a UST you need a tensioned screen at least.
Does it make sense to use similar screen for a cheap projector like HY320?
would like to see the difference to a grey painted wall
Thanks for the demo! Super helpful. I'm looking for a cabinet that can conceal my UST (and that doesn't cost as much as the VIVIDSTORM Monte Carlo). Do you of any?
Thank you for the comment and glad the video was helpful! I was searching around for quite a while looking for a suitable UST cabinet, but I struggled to find any decent ones that were reasonably priced too, so the only option I had to keep coming back to was the VIVIDSTORM one. There seems to be a big gap in the market for these types of cabinets tbh.
Not sure if you're based in the UK, but a non-motorised version I found was this:
www.richersounds.com/kinetik-klif-ust1cs-soft-black.html
1300 + 3000 projector you are better off buying an OLED or even LCD tv for that price have have way higher image quality.
Not a 120” though
Great Vdo..
So what gray paint will work best?
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, so here i go with an actual answer.
The Alr screens have a specific structure, which can not be replicated with paint on a wall.
They have very small angled protrusions on them, which reflects light from below (the Ust) to the viewer, and shuts out light coming from above. (Ceiling lamps, part of the window light)
Thanks for the very informative review mate!. Would you be kind enough to share the source from where did you get that cabinet that encloses the projector and the floor-rising ALR screen frame nicely?
Thanks for the comment bud! Yes sure - you can find them in the description of my other video here:
ua-cam.com/video/H5CFkMt38cg/v-deo.html
@@TrendingReviews Thanks!
Hi i have question, could you recomend me some ALR screen material from aliexpress? I dont need electric screen i will biuld frame and i just need material. Thank you for help :) Or please tell me on what kind of specification should have ALR screen material?
how were you able to square off the projection on the screen
Thanks for this. I'm potentially looking at a similar setup but am finding it impossible to see this kind of thing with my own eyes.. Did you go somewhere to see the screen in a demo before you bought or was it a gamble on your part?
I saw a couple of videos on UA-cam to convince me about the difference it would make, but I didn't see it in person myself, so it was a mix of being confident based on other users reviews that it works much better, and a bit of a gamble too, if that makes sense?
@@TrendingReviews yeah makes sense, thanks. It's a bit overwhelming with some of the screen options out there, frensel ALR vs lenticular CLR etc
That screen is insanely wrinkled wow. My motorized 125" elite screen non tab tension doesnt have waves like that.
good
I'm wondering if a laser projector with a good screen could be used for outdoor advertising during the daylight hours instead of a digital LED video wall/screen/display. Would it be bright enough in daylight/sunlight. Not that we have much of that in the UK lol
Possibly - but it would have to be a 4K native Triple Laser UST projector with a very high brightness level, but even then, it would be hard to find one thats suitable for outdoor conditions, because you risk getting dust and debris go into the projector, so probably won't be recommended. In direct sunlight (with what ever little we get in the UK), it could be hard to see still, especially from a distance.
Yeah... those prices are beyond outrageous even for the most basic UST ALR screen. Totally not worth using a projector as a day time TV IMO. I'd much rather stick with a short/long throw projector and a basic screen in the DARK. Which projectors have always done their best at. Regular TVs for day time and Projectors for night viewing.
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Wouldnt you buy ‘tab tensioned’ screen for motorised type? 🤔
This was the only option for the screen to fit the cabinet
hello....i use a nebula capsule 3 laser.... not ust.... can you recommend a good 100” motorized screen?
I don't know much about this subject, and I don't want to make a wrong purchase. Your video is very interesting for me
Since I use it occasionally, not professionally, I don't want to spend too much on the screen.... let's say something that costs less than the projector :)
Hi! Yes of course - something like this would work great with the Nebula Capsule 3: geni.us/3eOIT - I hope that helps!
@@TrendingReviews ok but this is generic.... i ask a specific model :)
@@yariturchini You could check out the different models from Elite Screens, they have a lot of options - have a look on their website and see what could suit you?
elitescreens.eu/
Great!
I have a very cheap alr screen from ebay, but the hotspot and narrow viewing angle is just horrible! Really. It's good only for 1 or 2 person. If i place myself 60-80cm to the left or right from the center, i will loose all the advantage! But from the very center it's so powerful, that i can easily watch movies outdoor on a sunny day with a simple 3.000 lumen Epson. No joke! But as i wrote it's only good for 1-2 people. So what's the next step in price and increased viewing angle (at least 30-40 degree) which is still affordable, not so expensive like this Vividstorm screen? thanks
Do you mind sharing what ALR Screen you have? Maybe a share a link? I can do some research and find what the natural next step up is for you
Do you think I could attach it to my impact screen for hitting golf balls or would it still get ripped you think? I’m guessing it’s thin but idk
If would get damaged I think. It's not made for having golf balls hit it so I couldn't recommend that at all.
@@TrendingReviews like hole and marks or just holes because I could attach it flush with a impact screen and prevent holes but not marks
Would the picture not be better by using a CLR screen?
Both would offer good picture, but CLR is designed for light sources coming from the ceiling above, like skylights for example, however, they're very good at absorbing light completely, up to 95% even, so they may be slightly better than ALR. But I haven't tested on specifically myself.
Can I check what's the cabinets model with the build in alr projector and ist pojector
Cabinet model is called the VIVIDSTORM Monte Carlo. Is that what you mean? Sorry if I misunderstood the question
@@TrendingReviewsIt works too loud.😔
The grey one looks like an ikea blackout blind to me.
Can this (ALR) screen also be operated with a conventional projector? (e.g. HD29He)
Yep, I see why not!
ALR best?
I could understand projectors for 125-200"+. Really depends whether you're going the $3,500 route or $60,000. But really, you can find decent deals on 80"+ OLEDs for around $2,000 at Costco. The trade-off just isn't worth it to me.
Movies are 50% visuals and 50% audio and there are occasions when the audio out does the visuals.
BTW that's putting it politely
NO POINT IN HAVING CRAP VISUAL AND GREAT AUDIO , BTW I WAS BEING VERY POLITE.
MY POINT BEING if i spend 3500 on a ust i want tv visuals to a reasonable point , audio can be improved at a reasonable cost
didn't say anything about crap visuals! I'm actually similar to you but I prefer to take advantage of both. The thing is going with a short throw projector limits ones audio. No placement for the most important channel! The centre channel handles up to 90% of audio, including nearly all of the dialogue.
"Sound is half the movie our ears lead our eyes to where the story lives"
With that being said.. take nothing away from your from your marvellous presented video. Great speaking voice.
Maybe this is the way to go if you want that massive screen and you have the massive space to display it after all, how much would a TV cost that has a screen that big? Certainly far more than a quality projector and screen but until they can guarantee it looks exactly as bright as a TV in full daylight the jury's out. If I were to replace our telly and come home with this piece of kit just to find we have to permanently close all the curtains just to watch TV....I'm a dead man!
Thanks for the comparison! Wondering if it's possible to get darker blacks in the daytime though, using a UST projector and ALR screen 🤔
Yeah definitely you'll see darker blacks in daytime with an ALR, but it won't be as noticeable as dark rooms of course.
Smooth gray walls 🗿
hey if i have x500i can i need this screen or not ??
hey - You can have any screen if you have the X500i tbh
@@TrendingReviews so this screen it is for laser projectors right
I am still trying to figure out what kind of screen to get for my JMGO N1 Ultra. Don’t think a screen like this would work since that projector is meant to sit on a table, chair or even the floor for optimum viewing from at least 8-14 feet away. Any suggestions?
Vividstorm sells ALR screens for long throw projectors, they call it Obsidian. That would work for the JMGO.
As reviewed from a channel called TheHookUp, the N1 Ultra produces significant laser speckle on ALR Screens or any non-white screen for that matter. He said that the N1Ultra performs best either being projected into a matte white wall, or a 1.0 gain white acoustically transparent screen. I'm considering buying the N1U for myself. How's your experience with it been? Have you noticed any of the reported laser speckle?
@@YZKMNY For now, I have only used my N1U outside in my garage against a white wall. Its been awesome. Yes there is some laser speckle, but not much. I mean watching it against a painted wall is absolutely not the right thing to do, but it works for now since it is so portable. This winter though I may just get a proper screen to watch movies in the house in another room.
@@Lafiro Just ordered mine from Aliexpress at a discount. Not as low as kickstater's price but low enough for me to afford it. Excited to see what it brings to the space!
@@YZKMNY Link please! And link to that Kickstarter?
How about comparing it to a 1300 led tv?
1300 is just the screen, projector probably around 3000. So 4300 buys a very big TV.
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Your matte white screen isn't mounted level. That's why it's wavy.
thanks for the video but who watches a screen from the side 10:20 ;)
You took ucking 15 mins to show this simple thing man
silver screens brand are the best and inexpensive
No way I could pay 1300 for a screen just can see where the money is in the material to warrant the the cost
All CLR UST screens are about that price for that size. All with the sawtooth pattern that is.
the screen it self is not 8 grand the package is
14:48
My mind is boggling
Show me a white screen with the shade open then show the the grey screen with them shut. That makes no sense for comparison.
yeah my white screen looks better. all the colors pop up compared to my alr screen, and get really bright whites
Firstly. You are never ever going to sit at such a wide angle to watch a film.
Secondly the wall is better than your white screen. Now had me thinking
What would it look like in a non reflective grey wall. Probably about as good as your $1300 background. Tbh. They are now screens as such, more a viewing surface. Save money and paint a wall grey
It works too loud.😔
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So just get a TV
It's a scam. You can get a TV for that $$$$$$
For home theater buy LG OLED 65inch its so enough.. With 100% performance better than projector+screen
I also have this, downstairs in my living room. It's great! I have the 65" LG CX. 👌🏼
When you see a bikini girl at actual scale imagine (which 65" size impossible) you know the value of size.
Good video I will go with Matt white screen because I am poor LOL
ALR is the bomb - also STLP is where its at. I am a commercial advertising and promo film maker and once we changed over to both of these we were stunned - you can watch them in daylight - the white screen is so washed out in comparison.
Yes totally agree! Thank you for sharing your experience!
what is STLP?
@@SirS001 Short Throw Laser Projector - but I meant USTLP - Ultra Short Throw!!