Your engine timing instruction will be invaluable when I have to do this job some day. No manual will say to work on this engine when it is completely cold. Your detail is what makes the difference between success and failure. THanks Tasos!!!
thank you Mr Tasos..I used this video as well as your rebuild videos to correctly time my m156... literally watched your videos daily until i took on the job. your knowledge is superb my friend ! ! stay blessed 🙏
i did a few bmw timing, planning to do this engine and this guy answered every question i have for doing it to this specific engine, setting timing is easy with a video like this thanks.
Thanks so much for this video, going to have to do my C63 cams already in a 2014 with only 38k on it but lobes already have worn, this video is invaluable information to tackle the job, probably will do it in the winter in 3 or so months, hopefully your billet cams might be an option for me!
Tasos, I have to replace the head bolts due to the design flaw. So, I've set the motor to 40 degrees. I have the timing tools. I can slide the flat bar on the intake cam in the rear but I can't slide it into the exhaust. The cam adjuster is in the correct position and the cam locking plate slides on the cams. Can I move forward with pulling the cams? You should also make two videos. One about replacing the head bolts from opening of the hood. And another for replacing the head gasket as a follow on. Thank you for the videos as your knowledge being passed on through them is invaluable. Any info you could pass along would be a vast help. Thank You..
Everything was clear except one, will go back to the back of the camshaft adjuster spline gears, there is a hole mark or pointer on each adjusters. Are those supposed to be has a purpose why they're there? Because, if you said is right, the writings of the side of the adjusters are should facing upward, those pointers are not aligned to each other then, and if you try to align them on each bank, the writings are not facing upward anymore but slanted to 1 o'clock now. My questions is, which one is right to follow? The pointer in the back to be aligned or the writings that should facing upward? Thanks.
Very Great video Tasos, what happen in case you cannot see or you don’t have the 40 degree mark in the crankshaft pulley? This is my case. I did rotate the pulley till i reach the right position, where the rear tools and the front tools ho inside. Is this correct?
Hey tasos, quick question, so once I have removed the bolts to the phasers, to remove the camshafts & caps always keep it at 40 degrees top dead center right? Or do I have to crank it once more to relieve pressure off the lifters to remove the caps?
Great video. Do you think anyone with that tool be able to remove the camshaft and replace the head bolts and reinstall the camshaft and adjusters with ease?
My story is I turned the engine 360 X 2 then 40 degrees. Then fitted my back sleeve and front locking mechanism but my mistake came from the back plate sliding off before I started loosing the gears but noticed the camshaft had shifter a little not allowing the back plate to slide in. Check the other side and the shaft was off too. So my question before loosing the other 2 gears should I turn the engine again for the sleeve to fit ? I am confused at this point
hello please help. I have m156 ⁶.3 amg 2007. The problem is when it warms up well then blue smoke appears sometimes. replacing the gas recirculation valve did not help. I also noticed that there was a strong vacuum in the crankcase. sucks the oil cap very hard
Great details!! I love that these people take their car in for the "check up" and refresh/rebuild the motor like the days of old. It makes sense there, cars don't rust at all. The only downside is it rains so little the drains for the ☀ sunroof get blocked with dust. Then when it rains water goes inside the car or in the boot/trunk. Easily fixed by running a piece of string trimmer line down the drain tubes and slowly pouring bottle of water in the track while fishing line until it's draining. Windshields get etched from fine sand.
Hi.....first crankshaft poly at 45*....locking camshaft with tool...fixing camshaft adjuster on camshaft...my question if adjuster had any timing mark or just rotate it so the p.n up and use the red tool to set the sensor gear in right position ...thanks
At 2:45 you mention that you need the dowels. I found my M156 was off time and when i pulled it apart, those dowel pins were missing from previous mechanics being in there. What is the part number of the dowel pins?
Hi Tasos, when i open the both valve cover to change the cam adjuster. the timing tool at the rear perfectly fit on the right bank but i can't introduce it on the left bank for 0,5mm, have you experienced that, what can i do please ? thanks
Hello, in my case the 4 screws from the adjuster broke. And the adjuster is spinning and the cam is not spinning. I do not see impressions from the cam on the lifters also gap between cam and lifters in open position look the same. Can it be that the valves did not hit the piston?
After I torque down the adjusters I remove the tools spin the engine twice around and back to 40 degrees the alignment tools don't fit back. Is this normal?
One more question tasos how do you remove a head bold with no head on it. Should I tap it or drill it out. Can you make a video on head bolt replacement please.. because it's a Common problem with this m156 engine
Hi again. I have used your video in the UK to open my cylinder cover. All was successful thanks to your videos but one small problem occurred. My t30 socket dropped out my ratchet and fell into the hole where the head bolt is visible. I cannot see the socket and need advice on where it could be and what to do? Thanks for your expertise in advance
Thanks for the reply. It's not visible so I'm not sure where to poke a magnet. I was also conscious that I may damage something using a magnet. Would draining the oil make a difference? Or removing the cylinder head? What is the option to get the annoying piece out?!
Trusted Fleet no need to remove the cylinderhead, worst case scenario you have to open the oil pan, try with strong magnet you can't damage anything there just be careful with the camshafts
Tasos Moschatos Hi Tasos. An update and need a suggestion. I explored the cylinder head and found the four holes next to the head bolts behind the exhaust camshaft. I used a camera to see at the bottom of the hole and could not see the small tool I dropped. I checked the cylinders too to rule that out. I then used a magnetic in the holes and no luck. I decided to open the lower oil pan yesterday and sadly the tool wasn't there. Before removing the pan I pushed oil into the cylinder head so in case it needed to be pushed down the valley into the oil pan. Since I cannot not retrieve it from the cylinder head holes or lower oil pan. What do you suggest I do? Many thanks for your response in advance!
Good evening Tasos You are a great tech. You explain things the right way and you know the m156 engine. I Have a question for you I have 2007 e63 amg with m156 engine 69000miles last week it had a coolant leak. But to get to the point fast. bank 2 side. Has a head bolt broken off and a small coolant is coming out,, I wasn't eving driving the car. The bolt broke off during starting the car I was able to hear it when it broke. Now I took Valve cover off it's not so bad but needs to be clean. I'm a bmw tech not so much on Mercedes but learning w your video very helpful. But someone told me that I need to purchase Mercedes Benz/BMW Rail Pin Slide Hammer Set. I thought all I need is a timing tool only. What do you think..
If you are planning to change the head bolts one at a time you need only the timing tool, if you are planning to take out the cylinder heads then you need the puller to remove the 4 pins.
Tasos, I have multiple misfire codes and vibrations after camshafts replacement and timing setup. Checked the timing twice and everything is in accordance with what you say in this video. Any suggestions or ideas what could cause it? I swapped coils and spark plugs with the other side but it didn’t help. The codes I get are p0300, p0305, p0308.
Would someone please tell me torque values for the camshaft adjuster bolts? Thank you! One video says it is 115 nm, but WIS I have says 40nm and then 45 degrees.
Hi Tasos, Unfortunately I have terrible ticking noise when I startup the car but usually it went away after a few seconds.. Now it keeps on ticking even when the engine is warm. I will open up the covers tomorrow to inspect the camshafts like you showed in the other videos. When this ticking noise appears is it enough to flip the cap inside of the adjuster to get rid of it or do I have to replace all 4 camshaft adjusters? How can I see that one adjuster is defect and the other one is still ok? When I should have to replace the pocketvalves aswell can I use the SLS ones or do I have to use the regular ones on my 2008 c63 engine? Thanks a lot for your help :)
+Joe Quax make the small pin of each cam adjuster upside down and put SLS pocket valves. Be sure that your camshafts are ok otherwise you will destroy the new pocket valves.
Tasos Moschatos okay thank you tasos! do you know if there is a way to check the camshaft adjuster if its okay? Do I have to do it only on the intakeside or on all 4 adjuster?
Amg Benz A for AUS ( exhaust) and E for EIN (Intake) and you are counting from front to rear. sorry for the short reply, I'm little bit busy right now. Thanks
Tasos,on the camshaft adjusters,does it matter how u reinstall them or jus worry about the pulse wheel? I removed my valve covers and the camshaft adjusters dnt match,one part number faces up,the other one a little crooked?
+James Zimmerman the part number should looks up because behind of the gear there's a hole to lock it, if you can insert the cam adjuster without locking it then there's no problem, put it as you like.
Thanks for the video (I wrote you the mail two days ago). I will check the partnumbers of the camshafts, the rest should be fine (double checked everything). Do you heard something of oil supply problems in the heads? But I couldn´t see any unnormal wear at the lifters, cams or other parts. To the thing with the bend valve: But than you have other problems? Mine C63 runs fine (full power etc.), only had that noise.
VelSatisChannel if you have bend valve you will have misfire as well, now for the oil pressure if someone before rebuild the engine and use 1kg of sealant there is a possibility to block some oil path's other than this i never face any problem like yours
But than I should have unnormal wear? The repair from the previous owner is not new (think the drove the car some times after that) But when i opened it for headbolts, there wasn´t anything unusual. After my head bolt repair also also run now almost 3.000km without any issus, except the noise. Also got the heads planned by a workshop.
amjad atieh hi, first you have to loose the timing chain tensioner then you have to pull the pins of the timing chain guides then the gears (don't forget the 6mm allen bolt inside of each gear) and finally pull out the cylinderhead. Today afternoon i will upload video how to remove the cylinder heads.
Hello Tasos. I'm Boian from Bulgaria. I have tuning company ONLY for mercedes cars, but only outside tuning (bumpers, light, wheels, fenders.. etc.) www.benz.bg So, i have SL63 m156, and thank to your videos I save his life from bad machanics here in Bulgaria, and I fix the problem with avansators on the camshaft. Thanks to you my friend !!!! So if you need something outside tuning, i will give you delivery prices with NO profit. If you need call me. Now I'm in Metamorfosy in Greece for holiday. With my SL55. i have small sound vibration, and I would like to come to your service, to check it up. Is this possible ? Where is your auto-service ?? I write to you in fb, but you not answer
Hi Tasos, I attempted this today but am not sure I did it correctly. My adjuster still seems to have some play even after flipping the pin. Could you check out this video when you have time? ua-cam.com/video/Zw3ayhL08bQ/v-deo.html Thank you, much appreciated!
Your engine timing instruction will be invaluable when I have to do this job some day. No manual will say to work on this engine when it is completely cold. Your detail is what makes the difference between success and failure. THanks Tasos!!!
thank you Mr Tasos..I used this video as well as your rebuild videos to correctly time my m156... literally watched your videos daily until i took on the job. your knowledge is superb my friend ! !
stay blessed 🙏
I like your way of explaining,you are keen to let your followers to understand.
Really thank you for sharing these videos
a very great explanation. everything right from A to Z.
Tasos, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Very informative and easy to follow.
Hi Tasos, greetings from Australia. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.
very informative and detailed explanations. Thanks for all the great videos.
i did a few bmw timing, planning to do this engine and this guy answered every question i have for doing it to this specific engine, setting timing is easy with a video like this thanks.
Thanks so much for this video, going to have to do my C63 cams already in a 2014 with only 38k on it but lobes already have worn, this video is invaluable information to tackle the job, probably will do it in the winter in 3 or so months, hopefully your billet cams might be an option for me!
i love you guy ! Thanks for all of the explications !!! Thanks for your videos !!!!!
very useful video, thanks Tasos, your the man..
Bro i needed to know how to set camshaft back this guy the best the way he explaying keep up bodu
That was a very great explanation I salute you on that I wish I could get you to work on my CLS👍👍👍👍
Tasos,
I have to replace the head bolts due to the design flaw. So, I've set the motor to 40 degrees. I have the timing tools. I can slide the flat bar on the intake cam in the rear but I can't slide it into the exhaust. The cam adjuster is in the correct position and the cam locking plate slides on the cams. Can I move forward with pulling the cams? You should also make two videos. One about replacing the head bolts from opening of the hood. And another for replacing the head gasket as a follow on. Thank you for the videos as your knowledge being passed on through them is invaluable. Any info you could pass along would be a vast help. Thank You..
Great video 👍👍
Tnx tasos! I unfortunately suffer from the headbolt issue! Coolant leaking out the side of the head at head gasket :(
very useful corect video respect Tasos
Everything was clear except one, will go back to the back of the camshaft adjuster spline gears, there is a hole mark or pointer on each adjusters. Are those supposed to be has a purpose why they're there? Because, if you said is right, the writings of the side of the adjusters are should facing upward, those pointers are not aligned to each other then, and if you try to align them on each bank, the writings are not facing upward anymore but slanted to 1 o'clock now. My questions is, which one is right to follow? The pointer in the back to be aligned or the writings that should facing upward? Thanks.
Very Great video Tasos, what happen in case you cannot see or you don’t have the 40 degree mark in the crankshaft pulley? This is my case. I did rotate the pulley till i reach the right position, where the rear tools and the front tools ho inside. Is this correct?
Hey tasos, quick question, so once I have removed the bolts to the phasers, to remove the camshafts & caps always keep it at 40 degrees top dead center right? Or do I have to crank it once more to relieve pressure off the lifters to remove the caps?
THANK YOU FRIEND WHERE IS YOUR GARAGE?? THE BEST VIDEOS...👌👌
Great video. Do you think anyone with that tool be able to remove the camshaft and replace the head bolts and reinstall the camshaft and adjusters with ease?
I’ve just done it. EASY!!!!
My story is I turned the engine 360 X 2 then 40 degrees. Then fitted my back sleeve and front locking mechanism but my mistake came from the back plate sliding off before I started loosing the gears but noticed the camshaft had shifter a little not allowing the back plate to slide in. Check the other side and the shaft was off too. So my question before loosing the other 2 gears should I turn the engine again for the sleeve to fit ? I am confused at this point
hello please help. I have m156 ⁶.3 amg 2007. The problem is when it warms up well then blue smoke appears sometimes. replacing the gas recirculation valve did not help. I also noticed that there was a strong vacuum in the crankcase. sucks the oil cap very hard
good job my friend
Great details!! I love that these people take their car in for the "check up" and refresh/rebuild the motor like the days of old. It makes sense there, cars don't rust at all. The only downside is it rains so little the drains for the ☀ sunroof get blocked with dust. Then when it rains water goes inside the car or in the boot/trunk. Easily fixed by running a piece of string trimmer line down the drain tubes and slowly pouring bottle of water in the track while fishing line until it's draining. Windshields get etched from fine sand.
Hi.....first crankshaft poly at 45*....locking camshaft with tool...fixing camshaft adjuster on camshaft...my question if adjuster had any timing mark or just rotate it so the p.n up and use the red tool to set the sensor gear in right position ...thanks
At 2:45 you mention that you need the dowels. I found my M156 was off time and when i pulled it apart, those dowel pins were missing from previous mechanics being in there. What is the part number of the dowel pins?
During your demonstration are the valves in the head? The cam seems to be sitting flush with no cam caps on
Hi Tasos, when i open the both valve cover to change the cam adjuster. the timing tool at the rear perfectly fit on the right bank but i can't introduce it on the left bank for 0,5mm, have you experienced that, what can i do please ?
thanks
do you set the timing to TDC on piston 1 and check to make sure it lines up with 40 degrees? or just set it to 40 degrees and don’t worry about TDC?
Good question
Hello, in my case the 4 screws from the adjuster broke. And the adjuster is spinning and the cam is not spinning. I do not see impressions from the cam on the lifters also gap between cam and lifters in open position look the same. Can it be that the valves did not hit the piston?
Any idea where I can buy these timing tools? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING
Amazon has it : www.amazon.ca/Best-Alignment-Removal-Adjustment-Mercedes/dp/B07NXPZM37
Спасибо)))
After I torque down the adjusters I remove the tools spin the engine twice around and back to 40 degrees the alignment tools don't fit back. Is this normal?
Can someone explain how to know whether the front red plate is inserted correctly when setting timing? How to operate this thing?
One more question tasos how do you remove a head bold with no head on it. Should I tap it or drill it out. Can you make a video on head bolt replacement please.. because it's a Common problem with this m156 engine
Hi again. I have used your video in the UK to open my cylinder cover. All was successful thanks to your videos but one small problem occurred. My t30 socket dropped out my ratchet and fell into the hole where the head bolt is visible. I cannot see the socket and need advice on where it could be and what to do? Thanks for your expertise in advance
+Trusted Fleet hi, sorry to hear that, try to grab it with strong, long, thin magnet.
+Trusted Fleet goo.gl/images/owZLCq
Thanks for the reply. It's not visible so I'm not sure where to poke a magnet. I was also conscious that I may damage something using a magnet.
Would draining the oil make a difference? Or removing the cylinder head? What is the option to get the annoying piece out?!
Trusted Fleet no need to remove the cylinderhead, worst case scenario you have to open the oil pan, try with strong magnet you can't damage anything there just be careful with the camshafts
Okay will do. I have removed the camshafts and only the lifters are exposed. I will update on my progress! Keep up the great videos!
Tasos Moschatos Hi Tasos. An update and need a suggestion.
I explored the cylinder head and found the four holes next to the head bolts behind the exhaust camshaft. I used a camera to see at the bottom of the hole and could not see the small tool I dropped. I checked the cylinders too to rule that out. I then used a magnetic in the holes and no luck.
I decided to open the lower oil pan yesterday and sadly the tool wasn't there. Before removing the pan I pushed oil into the cylinder head so in case it needed to be pushed down the valley into the oil pan.
Since I cannot not retrieve it from the cylinder head holes or lower oil pan. What do you suggest I do?
Many thanks for your response in advance!
Good evening Tasos You are a great tech. You explain things the right way and you know the m156 engine. I Have a question for you I have 2007 e63 amg with m156 engine 69000miles last week it had a coolant leak. But to get to the point fast. bank 2 side. Has a head bolt broken off and a small coolant is coming out,, I wasn't eving driving the car. The bolt broke off during starting the car I was able to hear it when it broke. Now I took Valve cover off it's not so bad but needs to be clean. I'm a bmw tech not so much on Mercedes but learning w your video very helpful. But someone told me that I need to purchase Mercedes Benz/BMW Rail Pin Slide Hammer Set. I thought all I need is a timing tool only. What do you think..
If you are planning to change the head bolts one at a time you need only the timing tool, if you are planning to take out the cylinder heads then you need the puller to remove the 4 pins.
@@TasosMoschatosok I got it. thank you so much Tasos. What should I do about the broken bolt with missing head. Thanks again.. You are best..
Tasos, I have multiple misfire codes and vibrations after camshafts replacement and timing setup. Checked the timing twice and everything is in accordance with what you say in this video. Any suggestions or ideas what could cause it? I swapped coils and spark plugs with the other side but it didn’t help. The codes I get are p0300, p0305, p0308.
I had same thing, was oil dripping into the coil wires while valve covers were off. Spayed contact cleaner in the connectors and it worked.
Would someone please tell me torque values for the camshaft adjuster bolts? Thank you! One video says it is 115 nm, but WIS I have says 40nm and then 45 degrees.
Super Amigo
Hey Tasos! How do i setup timing if i do not have that red and black tools you have in your video! Thank you in advance
Hi Tasos
I want to know where is your location ? so i can bring my car.
So this is all it takes to set the timing correctly? Crank 40° bolt in back of cam adjusters & all timing tools in place?
+James Zimmerman exactly 👍
thanks sir
216k miles on my M156. The dreaded tapping started. Do I need to remove the heads to do this? I would think the answer is no unless I damaged a valve.
suunto61 damn 216k Miles? Do you still own your amg?
Hi Tasos,
Unfortunately I have terrible ticking noise when I startup the car but usually it went away after a few seconds.. Now it keeps on ticking even when the engine is warm. I will open up the covers tomorrow to inspect the camshafts like you showed in the other videos. When this ticking noise appears is it enough to flip the cap inside of the adjuster to get rid of it or do I have to replace all 4 camshaft adjusters? How can I see that one adjuster is defect and the other one is still ok? When I should have to replace the pocketvalves aswell can I use the SLS ones or do I have to use the regular ones on my 2008 c63 engine?
Thanks a lot for your help :)
+Joe Quax make the small pin of each cam adjuster upside down and put SLS pocket valves. Be sure that your camshafts are ok otherwise you will destroy the new pocket valves.
Tasos Moschatos okay thank you tasos! do you know if there is a way to check the camshaft adjuster if its okay? Do I have to do it only on the intakeside or on all 4 adjuster?
+Joe Quax I'm showing on the video, just try to move the camshaft left or right if it's turning and the cam adjuster is steady that means have problem
Tasos Moschatos thank you Tasos! So I check camshafts, flip the little pin on all 4 adjusters and put in new sls pocket valves! Thank you 😊
The camshaft bearings have numbers on them in what order and location do the bearing caps go on A1-8 and E1-8?thank you
Amg Benz A for AUS ( exhaust) and E for EIN (Intake) and you are counting from front to rear. sorry for the short reply, I'm little bit busy right now. Thanks
So cylinder 1 and 5 should both have numbers 1 and 8 on the caps correct and no problem whenever u have time is fine
Amg Benz mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-tech-talk/579761-m156-camshaft-bearing-caps-indification-markings.html
Thank u I appreciate the help
Amg Benz if you can wait couple of hours i will upload a video
Tnx for the quick reply,so if the threaded holes dnt match eachother its not a big deal,when i reinstall i can make them match if i like?
+James Zimmerman doesn't matter if it's matching or not just make sure that the tools locking down correctly the camshafts and the front plates
Tasos,on the camshaft adjusters,does it matter how u reinstall them or jus worry about the pulse wheel? I removed my valve covers and the camshaft adjusters dnt match,one part number faces up,the other one a little crooked?
+James Zimmerman the part number should looks up because behind of the gear there's a hole to lock it, if you can insert the cam adjuster without locking it then there's no problem, put it as you like.
Tnx for all your help! One other thing,do the headbolts need sealant or anything?
+James Zimmerman no need anything the head bolts just make sure that doesn't have oil and coolant when you remove the old ones
Thanks for the video (I wrote you the mail two days ago).
I will check the partnumbers of the camshafts, the rest should be fine (double checked everything).
Do you heard something of oil supply problems in the heads?
But I couldn´t see any unnormal wear at the lifters, cams or other parts.
To the thing with the bend valve:
But than you have other problems?
Mine C63 runs fine (full power etc.), only had that noise.
VelSatisChannel if you have bend valve you will have misfire as well, now for the oil pressure if someone before rebuild the engine and use 1kg of sealant there is a possibility to block some oil path's other than this i never face any problem like yours
Ok,I have no misfire.
Will check the cams first.
Yes the previous owner rebuild the engine and used even between block and head sealant.
VelSatisChannel this could be an issue
But than I should have unnormal wear?
The repair from the previous owner is not new (think the drove the car some times after that)
But when i opened it for headbolts, there wasn´t anything unusual.
After my head bolt repair also also run now almost 3.000km without any issus, except the noise.
Also got the heads planned by a workshop.
VelSatisChannel yes that's correct, if wasn't reaching oil it should be gone the camshafts by now
can these be installed from m159?
Does this engine has an mechanical controlled ignition system or computer controlled?
Computer controlled
Hello 👋 how come that the chain slips when i turn it by hand
Which Engine is best for tuning, reliability, M113k, M156, Or M157?
+tischlerbmw21 M113k again and again and again 😊
What country are You from?
2022👍
in order to remove the head do you have to remove the pins on the timing chain?
amjad atieh hi, first you have to loose the timing chain tensioner then you have to pull the pins of the timing chain guides then the gears (don't forget the 6mm allen bolt inside of each gear) and finally pull out the cylinderhead.
Today afternoon i will upload video how to remove the cylinder heads.
Ok thank you
amjad atieh sorry but i was busy today, i will try to make the video tomorrow
Don't worry take your time
amjad atieh here you are ua-cam.com/video/e06LlMVNsFA/v-deo.html
where buy new rings?
Hello Tasos.
I'm Boian from Bulgaria.
I have tuning company ONLY for mercedes cars, but only outside tuning (bumpers, light, wheels, fenders.. etc.)
www.benz.bg
So, i have SL63 m156, and thank to your videos I save his life from bad machanics here in Bulgaria, and I fix the problem with avansators on the camshaft.
Thanks to you my friend !!!!
So if you need something outside tuning, i will give you delivery prices with NO profit. If you need call me.
Now I'm in Metamorfosy in Greece for holiday.
With my SL55. i have small sound vibration, and I would like to come to your service, to check it up.
Is this possible ? Where is your auto-service ??
I write to you in fb, but you not answer
eisai megalos file mou
Hi Tasos,
I attempted this today but am not sure I did it correctly. My adjuster still seems to have some play even after flipping the pin. Could you check out this video when you have time? ua-cam.com/video/Zw3ayhL08bQ/v-deo.html
Thank you, much appreciated!
You are immnense