Except... He didn't... All he did was allowing Babington's letters through and let her incriminate herself. He didn't manufacture a thing. EVEN if he had written letters himself posing as Babington, SHE gave her support to the conspiracy.
@@someguitardude8462 i mean yeah, thats official narrative? Mary said she never did anything of the sort, and that walsingham forged all of the letters, including any she supposedly wrote herself. Now obviously I have no idea which case is true, I'm just pointing out his defense wasn't very convincing
Walsingham was played by Geoffrey Rush in the 1998 film Elizabeth. Great film, brutal character. Possibly has one of the most memorable introduction scenes I've ever seen.
Whenever I hear of stories like this, it makes me wonder just why so many people see appeal in holding power. It just seems like they set themselves up for a life of constantly looking over their shoulder and never being able to fully trust anybody else 😟
If you were born in certain families, you could not refuse to participate. Even if Mary had been unwilling to play politics, she could be used as a tool for someone else's power plays. And remember that power brings some perks, which were specially important in a time when many people were just a bad harvest short of being undernourished.
@@BaconHer0 if you lived in an anarchic commune, you'd have communists accuse you of being a Trotskyst and a traitor, destroy your communes, and execute farmers as "bourgeois", happened in USSR, Cuba, Spain and everywhere else.)))
She wouldn't have been there is she wasn't involved in plots already. She was originally under "royal" house arrest and got to keep her maids and servents
Mary could just have had an easy life living under house arrest in as castle, and given up on politics when she fled Scotland for the safely of England. But no, instead she chose to press her claim to the English throne and replace Queen Elizabeth. But when you play the Game of Thrones, you Win or you Die.
Peter Hopkirk writes some good bookd about the lesser-known bits, like the Great Game / Большоя Игра era of espionage in unmapped central Asia, and the sadly badly documented Pundits, who were by all accounts incredible individuals.
Throckmorton’s sign is a slang term in radiology where the outline of the penis in an x-ray points towards an injury related to hairline fractures or the like
"and now BBC radio presents 'The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots'. 'are you Mary, Queen of Scots?' -I am. AAHCH! " This has been 'The death of Mary, Queen of Scots'"
i can't stop imagining walsinghams 'm', providing him with 'not even steam yet, let alone punk' level gadgets... pulleys, levers, counterweights, hand crafted wooden worm gears'n such...
"What's this? A traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England?" * notices his skateboard * "FRANCIS THROCKMORTON the traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England!?!"
Anyone else feel like the tone was off for telling the story of a man who was basically an Inquisitor? Dude was capable, no doubt, but seemed like he set up a lot of pretty sketchy precedents.
Extra history has basically the same “boys’ own” style tone of “look at this badass” for a lot of their biographical stuff and that disconnect you mention is frequent and unsettling
It's pronounced with the 'h' given the same weight as everything else in South East UK but every English dialect will vary so there is no "correct" way.
I remember learning about this whole operation at school, including how Walsingham was able to crack he code, which was a substitution code known to catholics at the time.
"Francis Walsingham has already breached our defenses....... you see what he has done to our colleagues...... and worse of all, he could be any one of us........"
I had heard of john Dee, who was the inspiration to 007, the 00 meaning the eyes of the queen, and the seven was a personal symbol. (Someone please fact check me, I dont know how reliable my source was.)
I studied Elizabeth I at A-Level and always thought Walsingham was a badass, thankfully the Cate Blanchett movie gave him justice by casting Geoffrey Rush as him
I can't help but notice that Walsingham's rebuttal to the accusations that he had manufactured the evidence basically ammounts to "nuh uh"
He clearly entraped her, but he didn't manufactor the key evidence- she really did give the order to assassinate Queen Elizabeth.
@@mankytoes Agreed why lie. When you can tell the truth.
Except... He didn't... All he did was allowing Babington's letters through and let her incriminate herself. He didn't manufacture a thing. EVEN if he had written letters himself posing as Babington, SHE gave her support to the conspiracy.
@@someguitardude8462 i mean yeah, thats official narrative? Mary said she never did anything of the sort, and that walsingham forged all of the letters, including any she supposedly wrote herself.
Now obviously I have no idea which case is true, I'm just pointing out his defense wasn't very convincing
An Englishman engaging in ungentlemanly warfare? Unthinkable!
"There tends to be a close association in people's minds between England and Espionage."
Sid Meier's Civilization 5 would agree.
And between Ghandi and Nuclear Hellfire
@@weldonwin lol
Yet in civ6, France are the ones geared more to spies🤔
@@berry1666 Ohe, partisans!
And Red Alert 2
Francis Bacon, Francis Drake, Francis Walsingham: if you want to be a badass in England in XVI and XVII centuries you should not name yourself Edmund.
Or announce "I have a cunning plan"
Or have a servant obsessed with turnips
@@matthewwallack601 turnips shaped like a thingy XD
Kinda ironic considering our rivalry with France
“Who are you?”
“It’s Walsingham, Francis Walsingham”
*Francis walks across the screen holding a candle and spins and throws a dagger
@@darter9000 ...Moore and Connery gone... :-(
...who should play him in the movie...? ;-)
"Dost thou expect that I talk?"
"Nay, I expect that thou dyest!"
Speaking of spies, you'll should do something on John Dee and the origin of 007. Wizards in history 😁
Blazing lute theme plays
The theory of everything
"It was Walpole"
As proven in this episode when he watched the meeting between Walsingham and the Spy and some strange Italian bloke.
@qaze you called?
3:39
He's right there!
@@toddhughes2859 Ezio too!
Walsingham sounds like a real life blend of Blackadder and Bond.
...propably because he was...? ;-)
Walsingham... Francis Walsingham... and I have a cunning plan...
And what could be better for the legend of both
Johnny English!!!
Soooo... Johnny English?
Walsingham was played by Geoffrey Rush in the 1998 film Elizabeth. Great film, brutal character. Possibly has one of the most memorable introduction scenes I've ever seen.
Whenever I hear of stories like this, it makes me wonder just why so many people see appeal in holding power. It just seems like they set themselves up for a life of constantly looking over their shoulder and never being able to fully trust anybody else 😟
If you were born in certain families, you could not refuse to participate. Even if Mary had been unwilling to play politics, she could be used as a tool for someone else's power plays. And remember that power brings some perks, which were specially important in a time when many people were just a bad harvest short of being undernourished.
Beats being a peasant.
@@Ethan-cz8xq Not if you live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune
@@BaconHer0 if you lived in an anarchic commune, you'd have communists accuse you of being a Trotskyst and a traitor, destroy your communes, and execute farmers as "bourgeois", happened in USSR, Cuba, Spain and everywhere else.)))
@@KasumiRINA Wow, I guess you're one of those people who have never seen Monty Python's Holy Grail
But can you really blame Mary for latching onto a plot to get her out of her solitary confinement after 18 years?
She wouldn't have been there is she wasn't involved in plots already. She was originally under "royal" house arrest and got to keep her maids and servents
This was Plot no.3
Like they said, the hard part was convincing the Queen to sign the death warrant.
She was constantly plotting against her own nobles and the English Queen of who she was a guest. She lost her head for a good reason.
Mary could just have had an easy life living under house arrest in as castle, and given up on politics when she fled Scotland for the safely of England.
But no, instead she chose to press her claim to the English throne and replace Queen Elizabeth. But when you play the Game of Thrones, you Win or you Die.
@@dromankass8655 couldn't disagree
3:38 that very picture will be forever in my head, alongside everygood moment of my life. thank you :D
I now want to know more about the development of English espionage
Peter Hopkirk writes some good bookd about the lesser-known bits, like the Great Game / Большоя Игра era of espionage in unmapped central Asia, and the sadly badly documented Pundits, who were by all accounts incredible individuals.
I love that someone had the balls to name their kid Throckmortan
I see what you did there ;-)
@@benjaminvonstein I don’t; would you please clarify the joke I accidentally made?
Throckmorton’s sign is a slang term in radiology where the outline of the penis in an x-ray points towards an injury related to hairline fractures or the like
@@LegendWeaver25 Thank you for this beautiful fact!
Whoever narrates these videos you are really good at narrating. The art style of these videos is pretty cool.
3:38 Gentlemen, there is a red spy in the base!
A red spy is in the base!?
_Protect the briefcase!_
We need to protect the briefcase!
We'lp Right behind you!? DUN DUN DUN DUN DUDUDUDUDUN
@@faceoctopus4571 Yo can i get some help over here? Stand back son 1 1 1 uhh... 1! INCOMING!
AHHHH- ay it’s still here!
@@artition735 *Ahem* Gentlemen.
*Gain a skill 3 spy master: ,This advisor is 50% cheaper for you to employ*
Might be... but leinster inherited all of burgundy...
Pootis
Pootis
Pootis.
Pootis 2
Man, Donizetti chose the wrong person to write an opera about.
What the hell
I dunno. People might get tired of hearing all the words you can rhyme with "Walsingham."
I want to see Walsingham in a movie played by Rowan Atkinson.
Best possible choice
He's been played by Geoffrey Rush (Barbossa) in Elizabeth The Golden Age which is fantastic I must say
Henry VIII died in 1547, it was Edward VI who died in 1553.
correct
*happy face while party music plays*
Poor Edward, so easily overlooked in the looming shadow of his father and half-sisters.
@@ernestvanophuizen461 Being ill and having a regency does that to a monarch.
Don't expect very much from someone who put an _F_ on *Bletchley Park.*
His queen had 14 asassination attempts on her life - so as she survived all, he desurves all the credit.
Fidel Castro: "...hold my cigar...!" 😉😁☠
"I spare no expense"
Here, buy yourself some talent.
You’re deadly skill is jogging? Mine is murdering
Well off to visit your mother!
@@red-2895 This es Scout! Rainbows Make Me Cry! Over!
I have exquisite tastes
Bruford and Tarkus, Most Loyal Knights of Mary, Queen of Scots: *Sad Fictitious Noises*
I think a video series on Elizabeth I's life would be a great idea. It's really interesting.
5:38 *multiple snorts* *"EXCELLENT!"*
At my states Renaissance fair I played Miss Frances Walsingham, his daughter. The actor who played the spy master gave me a rock.
Finally got Extra Credits to say "perfidious Albion"
"and now BBC radio presents 'The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots'.
'are you Mary, Queen of Scots?'
-I am. AAHCH!
" This has been 'The death of Mary, Queen of Scots'"
I see the TF2 Spy, Eizo, and Walpole.....Oh yeah, this is going to be good.
Century-old spy networks feel like something out of Assassins Creed
the real life Order of Assassins only lasted from 1090 to 1275
As a spy main, I am very delighted of your thumbnail, happy holidays
TF2 Spy is now cannon in Extra History
i can't stop imagining walsinghams 'm', providing him with 'not even steam yet, let alone punk' level gadgets... pulleys, levers, counterweights, hand crafted wooden worm gears'n such...
When you say Walsingham you don’t say HAM at the end it’s more of a Walsing-hm
He mispronounced Staffordshire too.
Yeah
Don't expect very much from someone who put an F on Bletchley Park.
"What's this? A traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England?"
* notices his skateboard *
"FRANCIS THROCKMORTON the traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England!?!"
3:40 I honestly love the TF2 spy reference
I just finished A Column of Fire so this fits perfectly for me
Anyone else feel like the tone was off for telling the story of a man who was basically an Inquisitor? Dude was capable, no doubt, but seemed like he set up a lot of pretty sketchy precedents.
Extra history has basically the same “boys’ own” style tone of “look at this badass” for a lot of their biographical stuff and that disconnect you mention is frequent and unsettling
Walsingham, Assassin's Creed, TF2,and Walpole is a sitcom I''d watch
I love that they put the TF2 spy into the thumbnail.
3:40 so you're telling me tf2 and assassins creed are historically accurate
Assassin's Creed is somewhat historically accurate as the Order of Assassins was a real thing
@@chancelloryusuf yes but they were destroyed by the mongol empire
Is it not obvious!?
The H in Walsingham is silent.
It's "Stafford-sher" not "Stafford-shayer".
It’s pronounced walsingem right?
It's pronounced with the 'h' given the same weight as everything else in South East UK but every English dialect will vary so there is no "correct" way.
Don't expect very much from someone who put an *F* on *Bletchley Park.*
I love how you included spy in the thumbnail!
This video would've helped me in my history exams sooooooooo much 1 and a half years ago :( because part of my course was on Elizabeth and his era.
I remember learning about this whole operation at school, including how Walsingham was able to crack he code, which was a substitution code known to catholics at the time.
3:36 Walpole is here
He always was.
THERE IS A RED SPY IN THE BASE!!!!
Thank you for noticing me
When I saw the thumbnail I actually screamed "SPY!"
As you should!
I am a simple man. I see Ezio, I click.
same here.
RED SPY IS IN THE BASE
I just saw the red spy
da vinky?
We'll i see spy I click too
been here right after the movie Elizabeth. He deserves the credits!
I guess it's fitting that I've never heard of this man, despite him being such a fascinating story.
Not a very good secret agent if he is renowned and famous😅😅
He wasn’t a secret agent. He was one of the most important members of Elizabeth’s court. He was overseeing operations.
Fantastic video! One of the last papers I wrote in grad school was about the Babington plot.
That frickin Heavy’s a Spy!
THAT ENGLISHMAN IS A SPY
This is what I have to study for my GCSEs thank you so much
Just don't really on Extra History for dates.
The artists must have had a blast working on this vid. :)
"if she can't plot against the queen, I will put her in condition to do so so I can kill her"
the absolute state
That Walpole is a spy!
I am most certainly not
*inhales* RED SPY IN THE THUMBNAIL!
I remember this from history.
It was very interesting
I am a simple fish.
I see spy TF2, I click.
1:19 nice Spy vs Spy reference
Great video! (Though Mary Queen of Scots wasn’t a former queen, per se. She was a queen regnant.)
Me when I see the cover image: "We got a red spy!"
The greatest compliment for a spymaster is that his enemies should have never heard of him
Is Ezio Auditore da Firenze an assassin in the tubnail?
2:01 Isn't this cod piece a bit small for Henry VIII?
The way Americans say Staffordshire always makes me wince.
Me too and I'm an American.
3:38. That is definitely Ezio Auditore in the middle right.
Well done with the video,this is very interesting
Love the spy in the thumbnail.
Very good TF2 reference. Also very good video in general.
That thumbnail is amazing with the Spy from Team Fortress 2
Why did I read the title as: “Francis Walshingham - Elizabethan Simpmaster”?
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE BRIEFCASE
I NEED more of this!
I suddenly have a much greater interest in spy plots than I did before watching this video.
"Francis Walsingham has already breached our defenses....... you see what he has done to our colleagues...... and worse of all, he could be any one of us........"
I love how the spy🔪 was on the thumbnail
Philip being relieved the spymaster is dead.
Me who has watched spy movies: Clasicccc!!!!!! LMAO
The names Walsingham, Francis Walsingham
Tavern master, gin shaken, mix with olives (i know, cocktail doesn't exist)
Thank you for video
Francis Throckmorten?!? As in my cousin from those weird math problems?!?
3:41 DEN DEN DENAAAAA(low pitch) DEN DEN DENAAAAA(high pitch) DENENENA (tf2 pitch)
I had heard of john Dee, who was the inspiration to 007, the 00 meaning the eyes of the queen, and the seven was a personal symbol.
(Someone please fact check me, I dont know how reliable my source was.)
Cool video about someone I’d never heard of - thanks EC!
Cool video! Very interesting
"Spy 'round here!"
Spy Crab...is Life
I love what you do
Good to see proto George Smiley.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Team Fortress 2 reference FOR THE WIN
As a descendant of Mary, I find any topic related to her fascinating! Great video as usual!
Wait wha
@@artoriasgameing6601 that isn’t so strange although it is a surprise.
2:04
hey if you do that, I will excommunicate you!
who cares man?
oh no! apathy! my weakness!
*3:38** STOP WATCHING A HISTORY LESSON SON, THERES A RED SPY IN THE BASE!**
I studied Elizabeth I at A-Level and always thought Walsingham was a badass, thankfully the Cate Blanchett movie gave him justice by casting Geoffrey Rush as him
" Are you Mary Queen of Scots?" I AM!
I love the thumbnail with spy from TF2
Thank You !
THAT WALPOLE IS A SPY!!!
Spy from Tf2, has made a special guest appearance on the thumbnail.
3:38 nice touch
3:51 REDRUM in the lower right LOL