I flew the Rotax 915 S-21 OUTBOUND! | RANS fly-in / open hangar 2019
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Join me on a trip to RANS headquarters in Hays, KS! We packed a lot into a couple days... shop tours, S-21 OUTBOUNDS everywhere! I was able to fly the Titan 340 and Rotax 915 powered S-21's! Also did some fun flying with my friends in KS!
Why do I look at a well sorted S-21 and think, "You know what? I'm not so sure I'd rather build an RV-9 afer all!"
What not to like?
Tricicle gear if you must, tail dragger if you prefer.
Aluminium airframe.
Choice of a Lycoming clone in the Titan or a modern Rotax 915iS.
You get a capable all rounder either way.
Whilst I am here, I love the nostalgia of a J-3 Cub clone; but, what does it give you that you can't get from the S-7?
The author of the video landed like crazy! 915 rotax even with constant speed prop is lighter than 340 titan by 40 kilograms. This is a great result, but you need to come up with a payload closer to the nose). At an altitude of 7,000 feet, the engine power is the same, but the Rotax is $ 5-7,000 more expensive. With rotax, you save a lot on gasoline prices and low fuel consumption - from a third to half of titani consumption. In general, the aircraft is not cheap, and comparable to the Glastar Sportsman 2 + 2 with Lk 360 , losing in payload and speed.
exactly how I want one. I love this engine. the Titan is always over hyped to me. the rotax is exactly what I need
They need to get the S-21 wrapped up so they can start on that 4 place plane I keep bugging Randy about. Make the S-21 a bit bigger and the Titan has enough power already. Or you could bump up to the +200hp Titans.
Nice shots of Wilson Lake. BTW, be careful skimming the water when the lake is low. There are old stone fence posts that stick out sometimes. This year we have had plenty of rain, though.
yea a 4 place would need more power... probably have to go to a 540 to really make it perform (if you want it to actually be usable with 4 adults).. would be a sick bird though.. and probably a decent market for it not a lot of 4 seat experimental out there...
@@GravityKnightFlying With a 540 it'd definitely be a strong competitor to the Bearhawk 4-place with a 540 in it -- that plane performs extremely well.
If Vans survive, a four place aluminium Rans will go head to head with the proposed RV-15.
I know Randy took on the RV-12 head to head with the S-19, but would you take on Vans again?
Great video. What lake is that in Kansas at the end? I live in Kansas and I need to check it out.
Wilson Lake
First, I'm glad you didn't hit the deer. Next, it must've been gusting quite a bit at 5:40, your airspeed was all over! Nice landing! Thanks for taking the time to share another fun video.
haha!! me too!! that was a bit tense, and was wondering where the third one was! .. it was very windy friday, but the weekend ended up being real nice! Thanks!
Was the 915 smooth and turbine sounding
very smooth.. and does sound a lot like a turbine! ... my Edge Performance fuel injected turbo 912 in my current S7 is quite smooth... more so than a standard 912/914, but I have to say.. I believe the 915 was the smoothest aircraft engine I've ever flown... could be prop related or something else.. but it was very smooth.
Tail dragger vs Nose wheel! Which is a better setup for a bush plane?
tailwheel almost always (in most cases). obviously some taildraggers aren't suited for bush flying, and there are a few tri gear planes that do it pretty well.. but overall, TW hands down. That's why I made the transition, and it opened up a LOT of new spots for me to land.. thx
thanks for showing us around and hearing your opinion
Thanks for the video! I’m thinking of building a plane and the outbound is definitely on my list. I think I would still prefer the titan though for simplicity and in truth sound. I think airplane engines should rumble! I can’t help but think Rans could take this platform and up size it to 4 place with the bigger titan and have something competitive in the C 180 range for way less cost. Call it an S41 for four place!
thanks for watching! the 915 sounds better than previous rotax's - sounds like a turbine! but I do understand the sound preference of the titan, I get that.. the titan sounds awesome! .... i hope to see a 4 person experimental offering someday too, I think they could offer a really great plane in that category.. there isn't many 4+ seat experimental out there.
Thank you Todd for this video! I’ve been scanning You Tube and the Rans forums for months waiting for a more comprehensive flight of the Outbound S-21, particularly with the different engine options and the trike vs. tailwheel versions. Thank you for always giving us great insight into Rans in addition to all your great adventures!
thanks a bunch Trent!! appreciate the comment.. glad it helps a little. hoping to see the 915 setup finalized soon...
Outstanding job on your mission! Been watching the S-21 since they started on it. Have you flown the S20? Enjoying your videos and have been doing my research and the Rans seem to be a good build.
Shalom
I did fly a 20 with the titan and metal wing last year. Performed good but required some ballast weight in the back. I have a friend with a rotax / s20 / aurmaster prop and it performs very well! Beautiful airplane! Thanks!
Well done Todd. I enjoyed your company @ Rans and we greatly appreciate you sharing your aviation knowledge and experiences.
Thanks AJ! nice meeting you!!
Thanks for doing this video and this channel. Because of your UA-cam videos I made the trip out to Rans for the open house. Great meeting you and talking airplanes! I love the 21 after getting to fly it and meet everyone there. What a great group of people both that showed up and that are part of Rans. It defiantly put the wheels in motion and a plan in place to set myself up to build a 21. It might take a while to get started but I am excited about this project! Special thanks to Randy for the flight and talk about the 21 as well as everyone who put the open house together.
That is awesome Brett!! thanks for sharing this!! was nice meeting you as well. Keep me updated on your progress! the 21 is a sweet ride!
Pretty fuel pumps!
Dannnngggg, that S21 looks like a really capable machine!
Thanks for taking the time to make the trip to RANS, and producing great videos.
Please keep 'em coming!
Thanks man! will do!!!
The best look at an S-21 I've seen, and a very tidy landing!
Thank you my friend
Dang, you almost had yourself a $15,000 venison dinner!
Also a little fowl along the river. ;)
Great video my friend. Your camera quality and vlogging is out of this world...It really felt like I was right next to you.
Thanks so much and keep em coming!
thank you very much Thendo!! 👍
Nice start to the video, you got that intro down. Shame they didn't let you do a full PIC review...
geeze... It's guys like you that make aviation so frustrating!
And that's because you keep doing super cool stuff, flying awesome missions, in kick ass airplanes that make it impossible to actually go out and buy an airplane damn it!
:-)
No joke man, I thought that'd had my mind made up on a plane, and then I messed up and watched this video. All kidding aside, fantastic video. This is the video to show the "logic" in purchasing an airplane if one has a spouse that's not convinced. :-)
Rowdy Grunt haha Rowdy! Thanks man!!!
This is no bush plane though, it's too fast. Take off and landing are pretty long like a sportsman
I agree. I think its being marketed as a backcountry plane (or it should be). Great for back country ops, with speed. Like a mini 180. But it's not an off airport / bushplane.
I really appreciate you sharing your experience. I enjoy your videos very much. Thank you.
Thank you Tucker, appreciate that very much!
Good ol Hays America! Is that Cedar Bluff?
Wow! Those deer got my attention! great video as always, GK. I would LOVE to try the S-21!
EDDIE BERRY man they fly nice!!
Nice video with a look at some well built aircraft. Thanks.
Thanks Randall!!
Really enjoyed your Video. I used to live about a half mile south of the Rans factory in Hays. We watched planes fly over on the approach to the strip. Nice landing by the way. I took the stick for awhile in one of there earlier models. I believe it was called the Coyote. A lot of people drive down I 70 and don’t realize the beautiful countryside they are missing just north of the road.
thanks for sharing, and I agree there are some nice areas around there!
At 9:01, what are we looking at, dual fuel pumps? Lots of extra "stuff" needed for that engine, just saying. At 9:28, I really like the way they tucked the aileron control cables in tighter, as compared to my S-7S. I have only Randy to blame for my general lack of interest in the 20 and the 21, as after 22 years and 3800 hours, there is still nothing else out there I want to fly then my current S-7S! But is great to see the company continuing to come out with great products. Good job GK!
Yea, that's the dual pump setup for the 915. No lack of complication on the 915. I mean it has a lot of power, was smooth and quiet and very impressive, but man there is a lot of sensors, and electronics on that engine.... always a bit worrisome. Hey I don't blame you there, the 7 is the best thing I've ever flown as well - Love it! Love to have one.. trying to figure out how to do that. Thanks Tom!
@@GravityKnightFlying On the second plane it looked like you were flying with the battery backup switch on and only one fuel pump. That's not how that engine is designed to run unless you had a dual lane failure and too much fuel pressure, which I doubt was the case.I have a 915, its a great engine, but way different operating configuration
@@michaelbaker7644 What aircraft do you have a 915 in?
Yes Im a future Rans person
glad to hear it Andrew!
For a guy like myself that doesn't have S20 or S21 $ the S6 or S7 are perfect. I will own a Rans airplane.
I'm with you Mike. I'd love an S21, but realistically a 7 might be my next. And the 6 has been real good to me
Very nice!
The dear was a nice touch.
Great Job
My family in Hay's saw you all flying around! So awesome you got to fly the S-21s!
Hey Woody! Thats pretty great lol! right on!
Considered changing the intro music?
Thanks for the good content otherwise.
Did you say that you were leaving Calhan? Are you in Colorado?
yes, near Calhan
Nice review of the Rans aircraft. They sure do look sweet! Cheers from Winnipeg.
thanks Peter!
Great review and video! But the tailwheel is on the wrong end of your airplane! Lol!
yea I'm working on that issue lol
Gorgeous gorgeous
Thanks gravityknight for sharing. I have just learnt to fly my TW s6s and I already want a s21, 4 seater would be good for the family, are they going to make one. Might be 10 years before I can have a s21. They look so neat, have awesome preformance. You probaly had a bit to do with putting a spot light on Rans and getting me to consider a s6s.
I wonder if that won't be something we see (4 seater?). Seems there could be a market for it, for sure.... Or a larger/all metal S7? hmm.... I'll keep dreaming too!
GravityKnightFlying a larger S7 is the dream ! I considering the S7 and was wondering if you have any footage or if you could do a review on the S7. Nothing recent out there for s7 and I saw on your video that orange beauty and got me dreaming about the s7.
Thanks for the great videos
Thanks for the great video! Just an FYI airplane Hangar is spelled with an A not an E. That is for a coat hanger. Sorry, it is a pet peeve of mine. That said, the Rans aircraft are really cool.. thanks again for making the effort to post the video!
Ahh good call on that!
Great approach in the gusty conditions BTW. Love the fit an finish on that 915 installation too. All the best!
Ted Neal thanks Ted!
Nice landing!
If you get a chance, see if you can connect with someone in southeast OK. They have mountains over there. I never knew...🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for the most up-to-date S 21 video yet. Haven’t seen many pictures at all or info on the rear storage other than the weight spec. Would you suspect you could fit 2 large duffel bags and a labrador retriever in the back?
If only the wings would fold! Randy told me that there would be a folding option on the S-20, then recently I was told the "project was dropped". No chance on the S-21 I'm sure. Still very nice, especially with the 915.
Lot's of compromises with a folding wing design, I don't blame Randy for not going down that path. Most pilots are not that interested in the concept. This comes from a former Kitfox pilot, so yeah I know how handy it can be in certain situations. In a perfect world, my S-7S's wings would fold as quick as my Kitfox 1 did, but all you have to do is look at the wing chord on a Kitfox, Highlander, etc., and you can see it ain't going to happen with the much broader chord wing that Randy (and I) orefer.
@@portnuefflyer Makes sense. Thx
The more I read about this plane, the more impressed I get. Amazing Vne/Vs ratio, lots of space, great engine, etc. It's easy to see why there is a two year waiting list right now (2021). I wish it had a BRS option, but maybe that will come in the future.
I'm not sure BRS is needed for these types of aircraft just because low stall speeds, and landing speeds land it anywhere with the big tires. The price for the rans is way cheaper then a kitfox almost double the price even with the waiting list I would not wait in 2 years likely prices be much higher especially if the FAA opens up LPA for light sport pilots these higher weight kit planes will be going up in price.
@@Mike-01234 My FBO is in a congested airspace in the middle of the city. I also fly over forested areas. I personally need another option to get down if mechanical or structural failure. Its a personal preference for sure.
@@Tharkunify well you might as well wear your life preserver all the time as well since you never know when you’ll have a mechanical failure over a neighboring swimming pool…🤦🏻♂️
@@Captndarty heh. Yeah I realize it's a balancing act. Military uses chutes though and I personally like the brs as a backup. They do work.
Another great video Todd
Thanks my friend!
Mate I would have shit myself with those deer - we have the same issues with kangaroos
May I ask what was the wind conditions on final that day
When I landed at the factory, it was pretty bad. Gusting up to 33 knots I believe. Something like that.... enough I was nervous taxiing in it, though ive landed in some winds worse than that and it’s never showed any sign of trying to lift a wing once on the ground - I’ve had it slide pretty good sideways on dirt... which is pretty not fun! On the days we flew the s-21’s the winds were pretty light. Maybe 3-5mph headwind component or something (wasn’t sure which landins you were asking about). Have a great day!
GravityKnightFlying yes the one at the factory when u got there thank you
I wonder how much more the mixture selector cost??. in 8:43
#TrikesAreGay
Lol, I didn't realize RANS had their open hangar that weekend! I flew out with a group to Utah for the weekend so I wouldn't have made it anyway.
Does not look like a good STOL choice?
Good comparison of the two planes
Glad you missed the deer!
me too!! thanks Travis
Ha... that windsock at 6min. Wooohooo
I'm seriously considering an S-21 build with the Yamaha EPeX200Ti (200 hp) version of the engine. This could be an amazing performer for backcountry work...plenty of hp and turbocharging for the high density altitude mission.
Would make an amazing combo. The Yamaha is really doing well. 141hp was very impressive, can't even imagine 200 in a light package like that
Yep... I’m thinking about the same combo (or even an s7). I believe the EPeX engine will be a game changer and I hope rans develop a FW kit soon.
Any news or updates on the new wing being tested for the S21?
It’s no longer being considered.
The copper paint scheme is one beautiful flying machine.
agreed!
Well done my friend! Great production, great shots, great commentary!
Thank you!! appreciate it, we need to get together sometime!
What impressed me was the wing loading testing machine at the factory. If i heard right they had pushed it to 9 gs thats impressive. And for my interest and i think most people having a strong built airplane makes up for the rans just superb good looks. Iam still lookin hard at the s 7
915 is way overpriced hopefully Yamaha will produce a turbocharged aviation engine only time will tell.
I don't disagree with you. If it came in around 30k, I think that would be much more reasonable. But I will also say this. The 915 has some impressive redundancies that no other electronically fuel injected / turbocharged engine has. Period. In a sense, it's pretty break through. It's also turbine smooth. So far, it has a very good track record. With that being said, there is a few things I dislike... small complaints really. And it is a bit heavier than would be nice. The issues I see with Yamaha, is that if they got into the aviation game, their prices would also skyrocket. Unfortunately it's the nature of things. Look at the cost of 1940's technology, inefficient, heavy Lycomings and Continentals. Nothing against them, I would fly behind a Lycoming. They work. But they are quite expensive considering. I think very highly of Yamaha! Love to see them bring out something.. but doubt we will unfortunately. Good topic though
When you’re building a 150k+ airplane another 8k for 915 if that’s what you want shouldn’t break the bank….
Extended wing s21??? I’ve never heard of this. Aren’t they all 141 wings
They have an extended version of the 141 wing (155 I believe it comes out to) ... 16" longer on each side. It's still technically in testing right now as to why it's not on the website etc. Several prototype things on that 915 bird. Once finalized it will be an option on the order forms I'm sure. Not a huge difference, just slows it down a bit.
Thanks good to know!
Could have done without the blast of crappy music at the beginning.
Could have done without your crappy comment 🤷