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Just going to assume Hiruzen had some initiative here and had the Seal removed for Kakashi.
Was gonna say the same thing.
But wouldn’t Kakashi have a seal on his tongue like sai that would’ve prevented him from speaking about anything to hiruzen in the first place?
@@perezmarcos24 Likewise.
@@dedrianneal3692 Either that so he just can't speak about it or Danzo had it removed himself because he knew Kakashi, as in what he's like and his strength. It would take a significant force to capture him and experts better than Konoha(like where would you find better interrogators) to get anything out of him.
Or maybe tsukuyomi just hit him that hard that the seal legit failed.
Also begs the question about infinite. If there were any of those guys alive during that point, did they just end themselves or was it null?
@@dedrianneal3692 The seal doesn't prevent the person from saying they have a seal on them. Sai was able to tell people he had one without it activating.
After Kushina got pregnant. Minato pulled Kakashi from the foundation and made him her personal bodyguard. With their high level knowledge of sealing Jutsu. Minato and Kushina could have easily undid the seal. Kakashi himself shows a good level of skill when it comes to sealing Jutsu. Even Orochimaru complimented him for how he tried to seal the curse mark.
See here kakashi and minato, teacher and student. Most likely got removed as minato is a seal expert and kakashi became anbu under the minato kage ara.
Except that would require Minato to know kakashi to tell them about the seal, Wouldn't it? Isn't there a seal to prevent those ninja from revealing that they even have the seal so that someone who can undo the seal doesn't seal the seal that keeps the person from revealing the seal they wanted sealed in the first place?
@@necroleisI think as Hokage even Minato would have known about it.
@@Konformation07 I want that to be the case but that would throw too much of a wrench into Danzo and his bullshit. (I really hate him almost as much as Sakura as a character.) It's just not something I think hiruzen would let him have.
I believe you kind of misunderstood what happened.
Kakashi (13) joined the regular Anbu at Minato's invitation after Rin's death, so that Minato could keep an eye on him because of how his trauma seemed to be affecting him.
When the cruel work in the Anbu only seemed to affect him negatively, Minato pulled him from the active duty Anbu and turned him into Kushina's bodyguard, hoping it would allow him to get a bit more used to normal social life again.
After Minato and Kushina died, Hiruzen requested Kakashi (14) to stay in the Anbu. He would have likely dismissed him if Kakashi had turned down the request.
Danzo approached Kakashi (still 14) AFTER ALL OF THIS and invited Kakashi into the Root on the basis of "Well, Hiruzen let your teacher die, so he shouldn't be Hokage and you should work for me, instead."
One of the first things Danzo did after Kakashi joined the Root was to order an assassination attempt on Hiruzen. Kakashi told Hiruzen about this - and he hasn't been a member of the Root since.
Kakashi remained a part of the regular Anbu until he was maybe 21 or 22 (He was around when Itachi became a captain, was still an Anbu until just after the Uchiha massacre)
It was after a mission with Itachi where Kakashi must have been around 20, that Guy saw how horrible the Anbu were. He then begged Hiruzen to dismiss Kakashi from the Anbu altogether.
Kakashi was dismissed from the Anbu most likely between 21 and 22, shortly after the Uchiha massacre. (Itachi was 13 and Kakashi is a bit less than 9 years older)
So Hiruzen called Kakashi, dismissed him from the Anbu, and made him a Jonin instructor, which he did for like 4 or 5 years until he passed his first team (Team 7)
My guess is that when Kakashi left root, he figured out a way to get rid of the seal.
People are so fascinated with knowing every little detail when there are MANY plausible reasons for him not having the seal anymore.
Same
What if it happened so fast it didn't even get time to trigger as a Pico second is very small
@@minorears5205 Well, theorizing about stuff I like is one of my favorite pass-times.
The same reason he knew how to get rid of the curse seal. He removed it.
He didn’t get rid of the curse seal. He just added a new seal over it to not let it spread
I'm just gonna assume that Kakashi either had the seal removed since he became a teacher and would need to train his team in genjutsu at some point or Itachi's MS genjutsu was so powerful it cuts off the victim's nervous system and prevents them from being able to move at all, even through the seppuku seal and by the time he can move again the genjutsu is already over and so the seal is already deactivated
Both of those sound pretty plausible tome.
Just imagine while practicing genjustu he just kills himself.
I think that Kakashi just didn’t have the time to cut his stomach open. Like Itachi’s genjutsu only last a couple of milliseconds and I highly doubt that kakashi is that fast at that point in the series. So I think he just didn’t have the time.
victim is crazy ngl 😭
Also, didn't the genjutsu only last 1 second. Meaning he got genjutsu blitzed so after it was over maybe the seal just didn't have enough time to actually trigger. Since they never said it was immediately within a nanosecond so it could be on like a timing mechanism if you're under for a set amount of time you're done.
Or plot and they forgot about the seal or possibly the seal started becoming a thing later on, after the third died.
You have to take into account the time aspect of the Tsukuyomi, and how this could be perceived as different from most conventional genjutsus that would have been used for interrogation. The seal probably has a timer on it, otherwise this would be a really big achilles heal for all ROOT members. All you would have to do is catch them in a genjutsu for a second, even a harmless one, and they would then commit seppuku.
That's the point though. They are supposed to kill themselves if they get put under. Because otherwise the Leaf would be put at risk if enemies on their outside were able to get crucial information out of the root root members.
@@187btokes Problem is, getting one-shot just by being put under any kinda genjutsu is a big problem. The Root would become significantly less problematic if genjutsu was such a crippling weakness to them.
He obviously didn’t think of it yet. When the sand village invasion and there was the big feather genjutsu are we supposed to believe no one there was in root cause not a single person started offing themselves
Also kakashi never got it same as Yamato and also sure itachi never got it too
heel*
Could be a number of reasons. Hiruzen might have had it removed, possibly Minato never allowed a seal on Kakashi, or if you disagree and say he still has it, then it might be a speed thing. Kakashi was gone for less than a second. He didn’t even fall to his knees in that time. Let alone had enough time to pull out a Kunai before collapsing from exhaustion. And if you still disagree, it’s possible Tskuyomi, the ultimate uchiha genjutsu not held by Shisui, might just straight override any pre-programmed curse seal demands. Them sharingan so broken whose to say. Sasuke could see into Naruto’s soul without any Mangekyos.
Kakashi sealed the seal like he sealed off Sasukes cursemark lol
Kakashi was capable of high level sealing techniques, its highly possible he could have removed the seal himself.
It's possible but why would he? He very clearly put the life of his comrades over his own, and the threat of an information leak could be horrendous.
@@jackehstil7945 because kakashi is not a security risk. And kakashi would never allow someone to just have a way to stop him at any time willingly. And this is not considering all the things kakashi would have known about Root after his time with them. It's just not kakashi to allow something like that to go on. If he allowed the seal to be placed at all it was not long for staying because of who kakashi is.
@@saiyoice that's the point of it though isn't it? Kakashi would never willingly be a security risk, but that willingness isn't really a factor with genjutsu.
@@jackehstil7945 allowing himself to be in a state where he can be put out of commission by someone who's intentions for konoha we're not good would be a grave security risk. Kakashi is not stupid and would not have allowed that to stay
@@saiyoice It's not a matter of allowing himself to be put in a situation. I'm sure you can say most of the ninjas in Naruto wouldn't allow themselves to be put in that position. But getting captured or forced into a genjutsu can happen to generally everyone whether they want it to or not. as a character I'd say Kakashi would know and understand this.
I’m gonna assume once he left the root and became a teacher Hiruzen forcibly removed the seal
Just like he did to yamato or tenzo or kinoe
Ya if not think how many students use genjutsu on their sensei he'd have been dead long ago
@@jessekidd7070?
I never knew Kakashi was in root. I thought he was in Hiruzens Anbu directly under him.
@@matt59fire i think it must be a deference in the anime and manga. I’m the anime he was normal anbu who very briefly worked in the root. But I haven’t read the manga so I’ve just come to assume that in the manga he was always root
There's also the fact Itachi was extremely good with seals and probably could've just. Purposefully gone around it. Danzo was practically at his mercy he was so outclassed, getting around one of his more basic seals was probably literally nothing to Itachi. And it is rather obvious Itachi doesn't want to kill Kakashi.
I've read all comments above your but yours has me really looking back and holy crap what you say is true cause when dango fought Sasuke on the bridge there was a moment where dango showed us the one person he truly feared by shutting bricks when Sasuke did the whole itachi forming from crows behind danzo and it would all make sense at this point as to why Kakashi didn't go through with it like he was suppose to
You say Baryon mode wouldn't last that long, but with FTG that would be any extremely long 30 seconds😂😂
Imagine during the sand village invasion when kabuto did that feather genjutsu random members of crowed just stood up and off themselves.
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The Tskiyumo was 72 hours for Kakashi but in real time, it was only a moment. It probably occurred and ended too quickly for his body to react and his curse to activate.
That's my thought exactly.
But that's not how seals work Sai literally couldn't say donzo's name if Kakashi still had the seal he would have killed himself
@@CrashMaster345 did it give a time frame when Donzo started using those seals? If not, it could be the case that Donzo started using them after the Itachi incident.
What about when itachi puts him under the burning paper illusion? It was long enough and kakashi didn't visibly get the seal removed so it should have happened.
@@nathan_w9236Nah that’s unlikely cause of whats his face the half hyuga guy, he is literally proof that before Kakashi’s time in Root Danzo was using the seal unless he only used it on specific individuals
Since both of them were under the seal it's probably crazy to think kakashi was about to meet thw white fang
Bruh mans the Gothamchess of anime 😅
Besides the obvious that it hadn't been thought of, Tsukiyomi lasted such a small fraction of a second that there is no way Kakashi could have done anything in the time Tsukiyomi lasted.
And then was put in a coma right?
@@YangyChaddyDad yes, he was ok after that!! Those were my same thoughts! He was in there for a long time but even Guy state that in the real world, it was instant, like Kakashi just fell out of no where!!
I agree with this
It lasted 3 seconds
@@adityak740 thanks for clarifying that!
Tsukuyomi is the timate genjutsu, so maybe it overrided anything and everything else trying to act on kakashi's mind.
Kakashi was just fully aware of the genjutsu and what exactly was happening, we must understand Kakashi possesses the mangekyo too and is well versed in genjutsu, and truth be told the tsukiyomi is designed to actually kill the individual that is in it, every individual that Itachi used it on died except for Kakashi and Sasuke. Kakashi survives and actually escapes, similarly to how Sasuke does, though obviously Sasuke was allowed the right to escape, as for Kakashi it’s left ambiguous… since Itachi is a committed Akatsuki member, and his only concern is his brother and those who will help him. so it’s possible Itachi allowed Kakashi to escape too, though there is no real substantiation of this, and their second encounter only proves how shocked Itachi was on what Kakashi knew about his mangekyo. I would say it’s safe to say Itachi knew either way he wasn’t going to be able to kill Kakashi nor did Itachi see a use in it, so either way if he uses tsukiyomi Itachi is left with hardly any chakra left and partially blind… no longer able to use it again in the same fight, Itachi gets one shot in each encounter to use it, and in all honesty it’s all he ever needs, it’s a one-shot ability. however Kakashi being aware of it the second time around proved it can be countered fully without being completely immobilized basically.
Kakashi was only under Tsukoyomi for a faction of a second, he couldn't do it before the genjutsu ended.
That level of genjutsu doesn’t work on me
My guess is that either, more likely, is that Itachi's genjutsu is so quick that it was over before he could stab himself or, less likely, the genjutsu was so good that even the seal believed his arms were bound
People really forget that Hiruzen knew every single jutsu of leaf, which includes all sealing jutsus too, and Kakashi worked directly under Hiruzen after leaving Danzo’s side. Hiruzen would never let his comrades to have this dangerous seal.
He does as he knows about the ROOT and their dark practice of placing the seal. He authorizes the existence of ROOT(Okay well the village council does, but hey.)
@@kingkaroth by his comrades I meant the ones working directly under him.
Totally
@@kingkaroth From what I remember, Hiruzen ordered the ROOT disbanded, Danzo just disobeyed him. I don't even think Hiruzen knew it was still active.
Tsukuyomi is practically instantaneous. The seal probably didnt have time to get through the seppukku
Bro how much you wanna bet he just forgot it was there? 😂😂😂😂😂
I originally thought that Kakashi was in ANBU black ops, not ROOT. ROOT was a thing for Danzo specifically created in a bid for power, and ANBU was essentially internal affairs for most of the ninja.
Thats what I thought.
I thought the same. Don't think Kakashi was in root.
He was in both
Kakashi was such a good anbu member danzo recruited him into the root
He was in both root is just the part of the anbu that donzo controls
It's kakashi, he's got close with basically everyone in the leaf from Hiruzen on. Probably just had it removed.
ur talking as if this a real life person lmaoo.
@@boblipsmackeras is the video 🤣. That's how people talk about fandoms. Whatever makes you feel cool tho 🤣
He was under it for less than a second. He didnt have time to stab himself
It was a literal instant for everyone outside. Meaning there wasn't enough time for him to kill himself. Terrifying power
Maybe because Itachi was aware of the seal. So he took the precautions to not allow it to happen. Kakashi's hands were bound while in the tsukuyomi. So maybe it "bound" his hands in the real world too. Making his physical body unable to follow through
Thats a amazing hypothesis. Because Itachi was also in the anbu for awhile and was good freinds with Kakashi, Kakashi probably told him about the seal and yeah.
Great comment, my thoughts exactly!!
Itachi was surprised that Kakashi survived the genjutsu, though. I remember seeing an episode lately with some couples on UA-cam are watching Naruto for the first time with their partners.
@@notgeorge8387 only reason he broke out was because tsunade but even then people don’t realize that itachi never used tsukuyomi seriously on anyone you see on screen if he did they would not recover or if he uses it to kill someone in 3 pico seconds they are goners
This is my head Canon as of now so thank you for that
Could be that Tsukuyomi only lasts a second or 2 in real time, so too fast for the body to whip out a weapon and do that. Could be it completely immobilizes whoevers under it, could be that although it's said "If you're put under genjutsu" but it could actually be "If you try to give information while in genjutsu THEN you'll do it" cuz Itachi didn't interrogate Kakashi, just purely tortured him, or it could be Tsukuyomi or at least Itstichis tsukuyomi is just so strong the seal couldn't overcome it
Maybe it was the fact that Itachi specifically bound Kakashi so he couldn't move in the genjutsu and it thereby had the same effect on his physical body, preventing it from moving. Plays well into Itachi's double agent role secretly not wanting to kill people from the leaf but needing to keep up appearances.
Better question is why didn't Kurenai's genjutsu do that to Itachi? Cause Itachi was technically still root and though he could see through it, he was still technically caught in her genjutsu. I guess if you are aware of it and can ignore its effects then the seal doesn't work, lol
Also Itachi was NOT an enemy of the Leaf.
And Itachi had decades to disable that seal.
On top of that he wasn't caught in her genjutsu he just got hit and turned it on her.
The Kakasgi thing happened because his seal was removed long before they introduced Danzo and was noted by Orochimaru during the chunin exams when Kakashi sealed Sasuke's curse mark
I'm gonna say it enabled him so quickly he couldn't even physically kill himself if he even wanted to.
Makes sense it’s only a couple seconds
So all it takes to kill any route number is to put them under hypnosis and they'll commit despawn. Seems like a good idea Danzo.
I don’t read the light novels or manga if i had time i would. But i always thought from the anime kakashi was originally assigned to anbu directly under minito but was issued all his anbu equipment through the root then reported back to minato. Then once he died he had stayed part of the Hokage’s anbu which was no affiliation to the foundations anbu. I could be wrong I don’t usually dig too deep in things
You are one of the first comments to get it right. The anbu under the hokage is a different faction. Danzo didn't raise kakashi he wasn't in the root for many years the way this guy states. He was in the anbu for many years under the 4th hokage, then third. Yamato, Sai, orochimaru, etc. are root members. Love your comment and knowledge on the subject. You pay attention. That's awesome 👌🏾 ❤
I knew I wasn't tripping
i think most ppl are forgetting that Kakashi wasnt taken as a kid into the Root the way Sai was, he did join the anbu but under the Hokage @@justinmyworld
I mean Sai and Yamato didn't commit Seppuku when they were put under the Infinite Tsukuyomi either so that point is moot
Cause bro was smart
My guess would be due to Tsukoyomi paralyzing the body during the three seconds it's active. Either that or because it only lasts a few seconds the seal doesn't have time to recognize that the body is under genjutsu. There's also the possibility that Tsukoyomi tricks the body itself into believing it's not under genjutsu in order to make the pain feel more realistic
he was literally watching over minatos and kushinas baby, both of which had the means and motive to have the seal removed and it would make sense that kakashi would go through with it.
On top of just demanding Jiraya do it.
Kakashi was an actual ANBU captain (normal anbu not root) as well.
And knows enough about seals to suppress Naruto and the snakes curse seal
No way in hell he didn't at least get a suppression seal.
sure its a plothole since kishimoto came up with all that root stuff way later but i can see an explanation where tsukuyomi is just so powerful and on another level like any other genjutsu that it completly overrides this seal. it was said that tsukuyomi is way stronger then normal genjutsu and also its not seen very often in the naruto world (not the story) so that could be the reason
So it's not a plotwhole then
@@nonameneeded2943 not sure, just an explanation i can see. but tbh who cares if its a plothole or not, naruto is a great story and also great stories have plotholes
It was for a second second and his Conrad was around
Maybe Tsukuyomi only lasting 0.0001seconds didn’t count as being under genjutsu since he was back before his body could realize what happened
I'm confused or missing something - is he equating ROOT with ANBU in general? Not all ANBU are ROOT. The Danzo recruiting Kakashi for a second thing was part of the filler episodes aren't they? Which, while a nice bonus look into Kakashi, are not technically canon. So this doesn't really contradict anything from Kishimoto's story. He doesn't have the seal Sai has. Canonically, meaning manga only, Kakashi was a standard ANBU not ROOT. ROOT was a division under Danzo's control that was a subset of ANBU but not all of them.
I mean this guy is notorious about getting stuff like this wrong so 🤷.
I haven't seen all the filler so I just assumed I missed something before he joined regular ANBU
I dont think that they immediately just self delete the moment they are under genjutsu.. i think its more of a if you cant break free and or you know youve been caught
They only get that seal when working in the foundation
I always thought that it was because he was in that much pain that the seal thought he’d already done so
well assuming the seal is a curse mark maybe it was sealed with the evil sealing method since it can be used to restrict other curse marks and kakashi learned it from somewhere
I think the seal was for the regular genjutsu they use ( demonic illusion and maybe even sharingan genjutsu) But since tsukuyomi is a mangekyou technique and is unique to Itachi, it's technically a never-seen-before thing, and the anbu seal was invented a LONG time ago before Itachi was even born so there's no way the seal could have been programmed to work on tsukuyomi
But it doesn't do it based on specific genjustu it probably just makes them kill themselves if their chakra flow is disrupted
@@ilikeanime9612 can't be the right answer. ROOT members would die walking past the academy by a random student training Henge.
Kakashi wasn't an emotionless minion and there was no chance in hell he would get that seal
Simple, he didn’t WANNA DIE!
There's no way the seal activates when people are put under genjutsu, that'd be an insane weakness it has to be more complicated like a genjutsu that is designed to extract information or something like that cuz otherwise a genjutsu specialist is practically a god against root members. Essentially there has to be more conditions than just be put under genjutsu
Genjutsu isn't easy to pull off against Anbu so it does make sense
Officially, it’s more than likely just a retcon oversight on the authors part since Itachi Shinden came out way later than chapter 142.
Other than that, it’s probably that itachi found a way to work around it since he was secretly a double agent, or maybe that the Sharingan itself can enhance genjitsu with other properties like a total paralysis
I don't think Kishimoto even thought of that seal before the novel started being drafted.
Hell, Root didn't exist in part one.
Itachi already knew all of the leaf village's secrets
I love how kishimoto apologizes for and acknowledges plot holes yet fans will reach elbow deep in their ass for some explanation
ikr😅😅
That doesn't mean they are plotwholes. If there's are possible explanations for things then it doesn't create a whole in the plot,
Something big to say Root and Anbu are different Root is Danzo private raised army while Anbu are the elite of the Leaf they are different and were combined in Boruto so basically Kakashi was never in Root just an Anbu
Not a plot hole, there just wasn’t enough time. He was under Genjutsu for less than a second
Lord Sixth was put under that genjistu before we knew that the root was a thing, so most likely the creator forgot about that moment when creating that root
to be fair, how confident are we that Danzo can put a seal on someone that denies TSUKUYOMI
I'm going to assume that Kishimoto didn't think it up until later.
I assumed he had to get it removed. Since he became a teacher he would have to teach at least some genjutsu.
either had the seal removed one way or the other or it only activates specifically when about to enclose secret government secrets
I was under the impression that them killing themselves if under genjutsu was part of the cursed mark on the tongue, just assumed kakashi got rid of it
Man Kakashi got that dawg in him.
I dont think Kakashi ever had it for the fact he was never told more than necessary from Danzo’s point of view
Same for itachis first subordinates. They were in a genjutsu since they met itachi
Brain damage, probably restriction of movement due to insane brain stress
I just figured it was his eye that let him cancel the stomach thing...
Kuruma learned that later in his life
Itachi was in the Anbu/ Root too. So the only logical explanation would be. When Itachi used his Genjutsu on kakashi he made sure there was a contingency not to activate the seal. Because Itachi would’ve known about the deal.
He had literally no time, Kakashi was under genjutsu for like a second, after that he could barely move
Only thing i can think of is it didnt last long enough for him to even process, it really only lasted a real world second.
crazy idea that Kakashi never had the seal placed on him
Kakashi was under genjutsu for literally less than a second right ? I feel like he collapsed before he was even able to seppuku himself
Kakashi was bound in the genjutsu so he couldnt use his arms
I think it’s more about the Genjutsu that he was put under, Tsukuyomi only lasts like a millisecond so he probably just didn’t have time to kill himself
I doubt Danzo would do such a thing knowing how kakashi’s father went out and how that affected kakashi when he was young.
I see the math is finally making sense to me now naruto plot=Swiss cheese
Kakashi pulled a Harry Potter (the boy who lived)
Might be that Hiruzen when he got re-assigned out of the root got the seal removed.
Kakashi is a genius level Shinobi. It makes me wonder if breaking the seal was something he did while working under Danzo, or after, but it was totally something within his ability to do
I thought Kakashi was just in the regular Anbu and the root was Danzo's super secret inner circle
My guess is that Tsukuyomi broke his brain instantly in real time rendering his body useless in an instant, so even if the seal tried to force kakashi to kill himself, he was physically incapable of doing so before passing out.
The same way that Kakashi weakened the curse mark on sauske
He tried to, but he was on a cross XD
Kakashi was part of Hiruzens direct Anbu. He worked for Danzo for a little while but then turned against him when Danzo tried to assassinate Hiruzen. So most likely he never advanced far enough to get the seal put on him
Maybe Danzo hadn’t decided to put the seal on his Anbu yet.
Because he walked directly under the 3rd
Either the third hokage did it, or kakashi knew itachi was a double spy for the leaf so he knew itachi wouldn’t give the akatsuki the info from kakashi
I just assumed when I learned about the seal that when kakashi is in tsukiomi because he was bound he couldn’t move and therefore couldn’t kill him self
His hands were bound…
Theoretically Minato could use baryon mode but kurama had only recently thought of the idea in boruto
Possibly because Danzo didnt expect a sharingan for a genjutsu, specifically tsukoyomi, as maybe it's technically not a genjutsu but more of a power, and didnt activate the seal?
Tsukiyomi works diff from any other genjutsu. The genjutsu was over before the danzos seal could activate
He just didn’t have a Kuni!! 😂😂😂
The r in root stands for RIN 😂
I feel like if any Ex Root shinobi was gonna be able to break a seal placed on him by Danzo, it'll probably be Kakashi.
Outside of hiruzen or kakashi himself removing the seal after his departure from the anbu, the specific genjutsu kakashi was placed under not only takes place within a fraction of a second but also his entire nervous system believed he was crucified and unable to move.
The seal probably occurs during the time you are actively in genjutsu, which is where you’d be susceptible to interrogation. Tsukuyomi ended way too quickly and so the seal PROBABLY was active during the duration of Tsukuyomi, which is not nearly enough time to actually do it
The real answer is because the writer didn't write the Root for another couple of chapters
Because the genjutsu was so short that he didn't have the time?
The seal might have been removed after he resigned from the Anbu