[TF2] The MvM Sniper Guide: Scoped-in Circuits
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Some guy seriously kicked you from farming gold pans and credit card debt?
Thankfully you have some other guy whose willing to teach both you and the ignorant fools in the study of the scope while fighting ruthless robots.
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"But SpaceGuyOnline TFTubers infamously know absolutely nothing about MvM!!!" I hear you scream and say and while yes this is quite true and commonplace, I am so terrible at UA-cam that the karmic justice of the world balances it out by making me great at TF2 and MvM.
Despite that, there are a couple flaws with this video/information I didn't describe because it didn't seem important enough or felt warranted.
- "Sniper is arguably the most skilled class" moreso a buzz word for the video rather than a factual or objective point. Spy requires the most skill and knowledge to be effective and then I would argue Engineer and finally Sniper. Top 3.
- Positioning; Occasionally it's obvious where you should stand on a map as Sniper, other times it is not, ideally you want to be somewhere overlooking the battlefield with access to at least an ammo pack. In later waves when your team is more fortified and bots are less of an issue and more of an annoyance, it's possible to push up behind your Engineer's dispenser.
- Canteens; Forgot about them because aside from Engineer, you never really want to use them, why spend money on an upgrade that only lasts 10 seconds over a permanent one. You can argue that sometimes they do help such as Crits, Uber or even rarely Teleport Home... but not on Sniper... at best you can make an extremely weak-ended argument to purchase Refill Clips and Ammo but it's better to just save for an ammo capacity upgrade.
- Health Regen VS Health on Kill; Personally I've always taken Health on Kill over Regen just due to the possibility of taking too much annoying chip damage at once that can't be recovered from within a timely manner, heavily opinionated thing though as Sniper should hopefully only be taking chip damage here and there to actually allow for the Health Regen to pay off. - Ігри
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Actually, the reload upgrade works on all rifles *BUT* only if you enable rezoom upon reload in the advanced settings for sniper, its a little known fact since barely anyone uses that setting in casual play, but is very helpful to have turned on in mvm
This guy knows what's up
Isn't that setting on by default though? I use it all the time in casual lmao (Granted I'm a Sydney Sleeper main in Casual since I don't like headshotting real Humans, but you get the point)
@TheShermanTanker Yes the setting is turned on by default, however the majority of players who know how to turn it off do so. Which is why most people don't know that this setting affects this upgrade, and why i turn it on before i start playing mvm.
also, on a slightly unrelated note but idk if this bug affects anyone else but i will tell yall this anyways. when you turn on and off this command (for me atleast) the viewmodel_fov gets reset back to default (idk why, it just does that) .
However you can sidestep this bug by typing this into tf2's autoexec.cfg file
alias example_name1 "cl_autorezoom 1; viewmodel_fov [insert fov here]"
alias example_name2 "cl_autorezoom 0; viewmodel_fov [insert fov here]"
now whenever you you type in example_name1 into the developer console it will turn on auto-rezoom and re-adjust viewmodel_fov, and whenever you type in example_name2 it will turn off the rezoom and again readjust the viewmodel fov.
if this weird bug does affect you, you're welcome.
@@pickleman4222 this happens to me all the time so I just keep it so that it re zooms when I play tf2
The amount of air last being used in these clips makes me angry.
You and Underscore gaming post MVM Sniper guides within a day of each other.
sus.
I know, right?
I just want to point out that my guide tells you to enable auto-rescope in the Advanced Options so you can actually use the Reload Speed upgrade. 😂
Watch both and you get the ultimate knowledge
17:15 - The red background box indicates giant robots, the blue border represents crit boosted robots
I’ve seen plenty of snipers do really well in MVM, I just wish more people would give them a chance
Mvm players are just built differently
seen one topscoring and topdamaging 200k+ dmg. depressing how mvm hightours say sniper bad
I do make the sin of only giving hatted ones (and/or those with a valid loadout) a chance
@@portal7910 look at them cosms
@@AnnaSue81 what high tours say sniper is bad lmao
"The Huntsman is terrible"
*SoundSmith kicks down door*
SS agrees that the huntsman is bad. He is simply joking that since people wish to be these so-called "meta retards/metards", then he will show that an obviously bad weapon is good with clips of only good moments in the video.
@@dashyz3293 Did... Did you even watch the SS video of the Huntsman in MVM? He literally was surprised at how good it was. Obviously it isn't the best MVM weapon but he broke 100K damage just by doing regular stuff with the Huntsman
@@dashyz3293 bro i used huntsman in mvm several times and almost always i was 1st in damage or 2nd
10:58 enable auto scope-in after shooting, thank me later
It is for that clip, although by default I typically have it off. Prefer seeing the next target after you know.
@@SpaceGuyOnline Dude, reload speed works with every rifle if you have that enabled.
^ This.
@@UnderscoreGamingChannel Oh hey it's the other guy who made a Sniper guide. Hello.
You can manually right click after a shot while having auto-rezoom enabled to not zoom in again. Alternatively, you can jump and stay airborne(walking off does not work) while the supposed rezoom happens, although i dont recommend the latter.
2:22 The Huntsman's charge upgrade is actually folded into the reload speed upgrade, meaning you get 2 upgrades for the price of one
It's partially broken, you don't get the more accurate arc of the arrows without waiting the full unmodified duration.
I always get kicked whenever I play sniper everyone tells me to go soilder or medic but im like "why don't you?"
meanwhile in expert mode it the oppsite
Honestly, even without jarate or the cleaner's carbine, I'd usually still go for the bushwacka, because even without those two you can still get the crit boost from a soldier with the buff banner almost perfectly reliably.
In no situation would you use that except for if you upgraded it to deal with tanks, in which case crit canteen(you can afford it) on any of your guns without upgrading your melee is better. In which case, it's a straight downside otherwise since you'll be too far for the buff to take effect and with stock you can hope for a random crit to deal with spies instantly
Fun facts about MvM Sniping:
A) Reload Speed upgrades work just as well on other rifles as the Heatmaker under Focus, provided you have the re-zoom option on and don't get motion sickness from all the unscoping and rescoping you'll do in abusing explosive headshot.
B) Heatmaker's Focus doesn't actually give you a +25% charge time increase like with the Sleeper; that inclusion in the tooltip is just a very bad way of it saying you'll start at 25% charge (under normal reload time) on the next shots when activating Focus.
C) The only upside that the Heatmaker's Focus has in MvM then is the ability to deny the charge delay by mere virtue of not unscoping, allowing you to get a 20% increase in quickscoping DPS (from 300 per shot to 360) by spending 800 credits on all charge time upgrades on top of everything else like damage/reload/ammo/penetration/health.
C-2) Interestingly enough, you'll only get an actual difference in quickscoping DPS under Focus with max reload speed from 3 charge time upgrades and up, and even then, it's only a 5,3% increase at 3 upgrades (from 300 per shot to 316).
C-3) Whether the Machina comes close enough in giant-killing by comparison with the 136 extra damage + free 400 credits on fully charged shot spam is... not something I can calculate with my math-averse walnut of a brain.
The point of the piss-gun is that soldiers can use other banners and scouts can use other melees. And you don’t lose a lot of dps anyways because explosive headshots deal the same damage. The sydney allows others to use other weapons without losing out on the mini criths and oh boy is it OP when you have a well coordinated team. Besides I have a spec ks one so I fell obligated to use it anyways.
Anyone that's following the Meta for MvM (and believe me those people WILL BE VOCAL about it) they will be using the equipment that line up with that meta meaning the Sydney Sleeper has no reason to be used.
spaceguyonline admits cleaner’s carbine is good, you heard it here folks
He said it was ok
Bullet Penetration REALLY depends on the map and your sniper location
In Wave 666, and Coaltown it can be very useful where collateral damage is quite common
I often take it mostly so that I don't have to worry about robots "Get Down Mr. President!!"-ing eachother, but there are occasions where the collat damage and very rare double-headshot comes in handy
"Imagine Helen Keller a woman born blind and deaf, fighting against nine-times heavyweight boxing champion Muhammad Ali... with a gun"
that gotta be my new favourite line
I would argue that the Huntsman is OK for MVM and makes an interesting sub-class for Sniper; a Giant Killer. What you say is true though, the ability to not be able to kill Medic Bots with a single headshot to the giant robot is a pretty heavy trade-off, however I feel like it makes up for it with its bleeding as bleeding does stack and repeated huntsman shots on the Giant will make it bleed continuously. Not to mention your Heavy and your Engie’s sentry will be focus fitting it to widdle down the Giant’s health even more. Bonus damage if the Giant is coated in pee and/or marked for death.
Also Sniper isn’t the only class restricted to crowd control. A good chunk of your team can easily take out a crowd of robots or medic robots with crit explosives or the Gas Passer explosions. I should also mention you don’t have to be that close to actually hit robots. You’re still good at mid-long range, but damage resistances are good choices.
I’m probably talking out my ass since I rarely play sniper in MVM, but I still find Huntsman Sniper fun to play on some maps
Different sources of bleed damage stack, if they're all coming from the same source they just do their base damage.
@@SpaceGuyOnline oh, I see then. Still having Giants bleed constantly with multiple headshots isn’t anything to scoff at
@@therjschannel904 It is when the alternative is dealing150 damage headshots at the rate bleed damage ticks.
It's not that the Huntsman is bad, it's more like the rifles are OP.
Yes, bleed is weak, but the base headshot by itself is viable.
isn't sniper already a giant killer?
honestly, I see a sniper on my team, i'll simply ask 'you feel confident in your aim today?' They respond it'll most likely be a yes, and then I'll also vouch for him. Let their skills do the talking
Reload speed works for all sniper rifles, you need to enable auto rescope. Also, those airblast pyros and loose cannon demos are so painful to watch, probably should have mentioned that knockback weapons just hurt the team, sniper (and spy) especially. Overall, nice video.
Monke Mann sighted at 7:02 standing on top of the crates next to the shipping containers
Thank you my man my loadout is a solider wearing a stahlhelm , a fancy dress uniform, with the killers kit and the gunboats like your videos by the way i was trying to find that monke since why engineer is hated.
Like the new way of animating. Keep up the good work!
The animation is really good dude good job :D
Finally a new video. Keep up the good work!
That thumbnail is incredible. Well done.
As a person that can't even as a Sniper, I will always respect yet loathe any skilled ones I come across in PVP. In PVE, though, I don't mind them nearly as much even if they do end up sucking. With that said, I wouldn't say no to more good snipes in this modes, so thanks for the guide mate!
"Sniper, a class that shouldn't deal with Tanks"
Sniper is far from incapable of top-scoring Tank damage with a fully sped up Bushwacka. Obviously if a Soldier is going apeshit with a completely tweaked Air Strike and Crit Canteens that Soldier is gonna win on Tank damage, but that's also a hell of a lot more expensive than using the Bushwacka.
I think max charge speed on the Heatmaker in Focus still gives you like 30 extra damage or something? At least some non-zero number.
Also, TF2's hitboxes SUUUUUCK.
As stated in the video several times however, Tanks are the lowest priority for Sniper. It's not that he can't deal with tanks but he shouldn't. There are better classes for the job such as Pyro, Soldier or Demo.
@@SpaceGuyOnline forgot scout in there (when scout actually upgrades his gun!).
4:30, 5:14, 5:49, 6:25 1000 hours into this game and still didn't knew those things, thanks m8
I didn't know 6:25, either, since it's only relevant if you have auto-rescope disabled.
Must be painful, being stuck with the default rate of fire the entire game.
@@UnderscoreGamingChannel its eh, most people would use the hitmans heatmaker since it is the best Sniper Rifle and bypasses it normally.
Will say I find it rather stupid that auto scoping in has an effect on reload but having it off breaks it, conversely also find it rather stupid that the in-game tool tip for the charge rate upgrade states it increases the scope in speed when it actually doesn't as well.
@@UnderscoreGamingChannel lmao i made a similar comment under your video
I hate to sound like some kind of hipster... but I used to use the Huntsman a lot in MVM. I enjoyed the faster-paced weapon and how spammy it felt. these were the earlier stages of MvM so the community was more accepting and a meta hadn't formed yet so I was able to not get votekicked or slandered. The Huntsman will never be as good as the sniper rifles but it sure was IMO fun as hell to use!
I like how you play "metal crusher" of all music tracks.
good joke and noice music track.
I got yelled at by some soldier for using the jarate because he has the conch and our scout was using the atomizer. So I changed to the cleaners and he got angry again saying that it's a selfish weapon to use. I stg some people just lose a hemisphere of their brain as soon as the tour count becomes triple digit.
Guide to playing Sniper in MvM: Pick Sniper and then proceed to be votekicked for picking Sniper and not the *META*
Its just me, I get kicked many times by people who dont make a half part of my damage
I would suggest getting a point of bullet resistance. that makes the robot snipers' fully charged body shots deal a survivable amount of damage
9:56 music is amazing 👏
glorious guide 10/10
Man as soon as I heard the earthbound ost I knew I had to sub
This video is a genius idea for the people who don’t know why people do sniper in mvm
the hell man the huntsman is awesome
Explosive headshot is too op
But ppl only cry about gas passer
I love using the Cpeaner's Carbine and Bushwacka to help with tanks in 666 :]
I’ve seen many snipers do well in MVM with the huntsman. It’s not as good as the others, but it can be useful if you already have another sniper in the team.
Even the one time where the cleaner’s carbine shines, everyone despises it.
Fun Fact: Explosive Headshot still triggers if you headshot an Ubered robot with only, and I mean ONLY, the Sydney Sleeper
Fr?!
Before I even watch the video, I'm just gonna say, as someone who can't aim for shit if it needs to be precise, I respect anyone who immediately picks Sniper in MvM, especially if they have a few cosmetics, which tips me to believe they know what they're doing. I don't play Sniper because unless I'm only shooting giants or still targets like revved bot Heavies or Medics, I can't shoot for shit with him, and I feel like anyone else who is bad at aiming like I am probably feels the same way. So basically every time I see someone choose Sniper, I'm usually more inclined to think they actually have skill, rather than assume they don't.
I've had plenty of MvM games where I'm playing Heavy as usual, and our team has a Demo and a Sniper, or a Pyro and a Sniper, or even a Spy and a Sniper, and when the Uber Meds on giants roll out, I can't do shit to them, because they need to be killed in one shot, and my weapon does trickle damage rather than burst damage. And in several of these games, I notice our Pyro/Demo/Spy can't efficiently take out all the Uber Meds, and yet our Sniper does. If anything, I'd say Sniper is more reliable for taking out Uber Meds. Sure, maybe Pyro and Demo don't necessarily need upgrades for their ways of taking out Uber Meds, and Spy only really needs to upgrade Sapper range, but there's one issue with all of their methods: They're on a timer, much like Heavy's Sandvich. The Sapper and Gas Passer can only be used every so often, and after every detonation, the Demo needs to place down more stickies. But what if there's multiple groups of Uber Meds at once? The Demo can't take them all out. In contrast, Sniper just needs one bullet in the center of the group of Meds, and he can take them out instantly, and then immediately be ready to take out another group. Sniper is more reliable for taking out Uber Meds, in my opinion.
I suggest you tone down sensitivity, trust me it makes sniping much easier. Also try practicing on a tr.walkway server with stock or another rifle. Mvm sniping isn't as hard as pvp sniping
7:52 actually sniper has the highest priority for bot aggro in the entire game, if a sniper is anywhere in their sight lines they will always prioritize him over anything else (besides carrying the bomb of course)
been playing sniper mvm and dont understand the distaste for the carbine? at 400 creds it can shoot so fast to take care of any bots that run up on you and the mini crits is huge. the only other secondary id pick would be the camper but thats +4hp/s and no flinching instead of a gun with minicrits
Cleaners carbine is the best weapon ever. COME AT ME BRO!
wish granted WOO
Reload Speed for Huntsman actually also counts as Charge Rate, for some reason. I don't know, blame Source Spaghetti.
If you wanted to make huntsman viable I'd say
1. MAKE BLEEDS STACK FOR GOD'S SAKE
2. Give it a sudo explosive headshot mechanic, where landing a headshot inflicts bleeds on all robots near the headshot victim.
The bleed overtime still wouldn't be that good, the old version of explosive headshot used to be a similar damage over time and resulted in Sniper being pretty bad in MvM
@@SpaceGuyOnline I thinking using the bleed stacking as the main point. (Also give explosive bleeds a larger AOE than explosive headshot) since bleeds would stack on multiple robots every time you headshot one of them, you could affect entire groups of robots with multiple stacks of bleeds in quick succession while also retaining higher mobility than the stock sniper.
Chibi robo theme 👌
This video started quite well, but then it went downhill with all the misinformation provided. I wouldn't recommend this video to people who want to play sniper in MvM.
I can't aim so am starting to play mvm sniper so I can get the hit boxes then go to casual BUT it's hard to find a team with you know medic,engineer,scout so I either go and fill in the gap or I play sniper and leave the team to die guess which one I choose.
its pretty rare to find the lobby that I can play sniper on
funny since i dont even use hitmans heatmaker, bazaar bargain, or the classic lol. shahanshah is only melee weapon i use though. good thing i dont pick sniper unless im messing around for fun on intermediate or advanced difficulties.
Loved the feature in the video and I would have done the same haha
love the scripting on these
Cleaner's carbine
stuart little supremacy
shouldn't bullet penetration work like, any bullet also goes through the enemy? that should be like, a slight upgrade
I play a lot of nightmare mission [ghost town] and there's a lot of moments where you can definitly shoot through a giant to another giant [though, that's just an additional bodyshot, still a good thing] and in a lot of cases shoot the main robot and also shoot the medic
Hi
9:33 Oh you mean the shanshashashashashashah?
yes i need all the minicrit sources my main scout loadout is backscatter crit a cola and fan o war
I would love to see the stigma around sniper (and spy) in mvm come to an end. The problem however, isn’t that I’m assuming the players are shit, the problem is that I’ll always roll a spy/sniper or even both in a round when we don’t have a medic, or a heavy, or buff banner soldier and need a player to fit that role, but this stubborn asshole is just sitting on sniper/spy dying over and over. I don’t particularly enjoy playing soldier, scout or demo, I prefer pyro, medic, heavy and engi, but I will play any class that’s needed to round out the roster and allow everyone else to enjoy themselves as much as possible, I could just as easily just dig my heels in and refuse to play anything I don’t want to, but I don’t do that because I know everyone wants to win the game quickly and have fun.
In most MvM maps and cases however, Medic and Soldier is typically regarded as the weakest choice, especially when it comes to Medic.
I'm not as well versed as the whole MvM community since I typically stick with community servers, play with friends and do the odd random tour here and there but I would assume it's due to the Mannhattan meta being perceived as the overall MvM meta.
Mannhattan typically needs a medic not to keep anyone alive but to counteract the need to purchase heal on kill bonuses in additon to the slew of Black Box soldiers or health on kill heavies, so medics shield is needed.
Outside of Mannhattan though Medic falls off. Of course since most people play 2cities and Mannhattan is typically regarded as one of the harder maps due to Giant Scout rushes and the Bot Bosses, people believe the meta for that must be the meta regardless.
So when someone deviates from that, being Sniper or Spy, they assume the run is ruined because it falls outside the "meta"
after watching your video i got on mvm and everyone was sniper
I use the Sydney sleeper, stock, and a sign. I will not change
There's a issue for the the razorback portion, imagine if someone is busy listening to music than listening to the administrator
Still have the HUD notifying you
I've also had problems with the HUD and Administrator warnings being delayed by a seond or two.
Hello space man
2 words... "explosive headshots"
for the first 10 minutes just watch weezy tf2's sniper weapons tier list for mvm then either continue watching or watch prides expert mvm guide i suggest still watching doe space is pretty epic
Charge upgrades are good if you're not holding down m1 in focus
In my experience, sniper is amazing on expert, but not great on two shitties. You can play him well on both tours, he just suffers from the map design on Mannhattan
Me OMW to dominate a Spy named Stuart Little with the Cleaner's Carbine
🥶
As a sniper main, watching someone else play sniper in mvm leaves me screaming at my screen.
Sniper is the most effective on Expert missions (Gear Grinder)
Can I have a new link to the discord please? The one in the description is dead.
merry late xmas
Bruh i know songs you used in background, but i dont remember names of those!
But... I use the Cleaner's in MvM...
W-wait... Why do I hear knocking on my window...
It was nice meeting you in a random game. I was the sniper with the same set. :)
... I like cleaners carbine it's actually pretty fun. (;
FishstickOnAStick better watch out after he said the CC was good in MVM.
0:14 Pyro:Hold my Gas Passer
Ay yes time to solo mvm with sniper
Sniper is the king of Wave 666
I see you've been playing binary blackout a bit, I would like to ask, favorite mission?
Personally found most of the missions to be rather easy and not too memorable, I forget the map/mission names exactly but the one on Rottenburg with the custom cow mangler soldiers was interesting and the map based in the Jungle for the community Mayann project was my personal favourite map.
Why did the Darwin's make stop using the spinney animation for the weapons for the rest of the video?
Mann Machines VS Machines
Whats the song at 3:38?
huntsman is kinda viable with the penetration upgrade
So, use the Huntsman. Got it.
0:20 , 2:30 what map is it?
I used the huntman
It would be cool if the huntsman had a "explosive arrow" upgrade instead of..bleeding
Like, if you hit a robot, it will cause a explosion which can have the damage and range increase by each upgrade
Like the normal explosive headshot
Would this make the huntsman viable? Well kinda of
Would it be better than..any other rifle? Nope
But i think it would still be a good addition to it, because the hunstman is fun, qltho, kinda of useless and overshadowed by anything else
I play sniper and regularly top damage
There is a reason why huntsman is a bad weapon on MvM..
Trying to get taunt kill with it.
Sooooo what IS with the Cleaner's hate in MvM? Is it Gas Passer Syndrome (something is so good it becomes hated) or something else? Legitimate question, I'm actually curious
outside of him, I hadnt seen anyone mind the cleaners carbine. its a nice utility weapon to have with you as SMG is kinda pointless in MvM. Gas on the other hand is the crutch of all crutches.
maybe an australium
Maybe
who would’ve thunk
No idea what you mean when you say picking sniper is considered a sin, he's meta for his ridiculous aoe and giant damage
It's generally because of a needed assumption of skill, even though it's fairly easily. A Sniper who doesn't know what they're doing at all is a lot more detrimental than a Soldier or Heavy who doesn't know.
@@SpaceGuyOnline fair enough
He used to get a lot of hate back when mvm was fresh and the meta was pretty different, people preferred demos than snipers but now it seems to be more favoured to sniper
@@breadiztasty Probably because Sniper legitimately was a bad pick at one point very early on in MvM when Explosive Headshpt was damage over time rather than instant.
@@SpaceGuyOnline Very early indeed, this was changed less than two months after MvM launched I'm pretty sure.
I consistently out damage normal or heat maker snipers on waves like 666 or costom yours that spam the fuck out of cluster giants. Huntsman is trash in normal waves, but kicks ass vs giants and bosses
That "Your mum" joke was terrible. I'm gonna cancel you like you cancelled my mum
Sniper doesn’t need much skill in either MvM or casual play, he’s basically the same in both. Point at the heads, click, profit with no risk whatsoever from anything or anyone else.