TF2: I Kicked a Newbie In MVM. Let's Discuss. ( Bite-Sized Stream )
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2021
- One of the topics that I really wanted to speak out loud.
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#35 - Ігри
"There is no reason to carry a newbie who's not willing to co-operate"
This is my conclusion. Feel free to comment your thoughts, Whether you're agreeing or not.
well unless they want to know how to play the game, i just queu a another match
well we can say we agree(well maybe most) since MVM is a TEAM-BASED unlike other gamemodes(except:comp) where you can screw around sooo if they dont want to learn its not RUDE to kick em as they themselves are already RUDE.
I personally dont mind carrying noob but if they are not willing to listen to teammate and also actively hurting the team. That's when i immediately call kick vote
At least it was a valid reason unlike you know, *getting carried by a cheater*
I see you whoever reccomended it on live chat
Well whats the prob with gunslinger it still makes normal dispensers
In my opinion- i recommend playing mvm after learning some game-sence and basic knowledge about it. Cuz casual and mvm are different in every point exept killing something. So watch some guides, and listen to the teammates.
@Quang Nguyen that sounds fun
@Quang Nguyen WILL YOU PRESS THE BUTTON?
*YOU ARE IMMORTAL* BUT *YOU DEAL NO DAMAGE*
This puts DEWILL's argument in a good light and actually makes sense. Thank you.
Looking for guides for that exact reason. PvP is much different than PvE, and I don't want to trigger a short fuse player for simply picking a class that "isn't meta".
@@KiuhKobold There are *_LOTS_* of guides out there, just make sure they're relatively up to date
rule of thumb is if they mention the gas passer they're good
that engineer should've at least played MvM bootcamp because:
a. It's free
b. it won't cost the other players anything
c. it's good practice for MvM premium
I attempted to try bootcamp to show some friends how to play MvM and it's SWARMING with noobs that all go spy and by max speed upgrade and keeps loosing to wave one. We only made progress as we were three and could compensate for the other players lack of cooperation.
It's bad, it's really bad.
I don't understand how people dont really know how to play mvm in tour. I haven't went on one yet but from videos there people who dont even try. Why would you go into a advanced difficulty that you need to pay for before try the ropes in other suff like the bootcamp
@@nikolaiandersson6024 from my experience if you avoid normal difficulty chances of you getting paired up with newer players is decreased by some amount.
can't say it's 100% newbie-free, but it's generally less so.
My tactic in MVM (I can only play Boot Camp, I'd love to play Mann Up just to play competitive MVM but I'm broke) is usually either Sniper (Most of the time) or Spy (When steel gauntlets are in the wave), I actually upgrade the damage on the sniper rifle instead of explosive headshot since I'm accurate enough to kill most of the group before they get out of hand
I do have a few extra stuff to add.
If anyone thinks that his guidelines aren't sufficient enough, then take note of this: New players should NOT play in the 3 HARDEST Tours of Mann Up. (Mecha Engine, Two Cities, Gear Grinder)
Hell, it's even worse in Gear Grinder, 'cause the game literally WARNS you on how difficult it is, but I still see newbies in Mannslaughter, making the waves suffering to deal with. (Fun Fact to anyone that doesn't know, Mannslaughter is pretty much the hardest MvM mission because of how much poverty there is, and how the bot composition can destroy you if you're not careful enough. Another reason why Newbies shouldn't go there.)
By the way, Dewill, about your "Think about a grown man doing that kind of thing,"
Yeah, um, about that... There is an entire anti-tacobot group that has grown ups being both a bit childish and... cheating.
I'm not part of that group, and I don't wanna say the name 'cause honestly, it's best to just not give attention, but I think many members of the group are just adults that are very anti-tacobot and are perfectly fine with supporting or using cheats in MvM. I'll mention this in the stream, see ya there.
If a low-tour enters a Mannslaughter Mann-Up server, never judge them by their tour count ONLY. There MAY be a chance that low-tour is actually a very good player who did very hard missions like Bone Shaker on a Boot Camp server, OR he listened to the members of that specific Mann-Up server.
To summarize this, just don't always think low-tours are responsible for a mission fail. And also some Digital Directive missions are as/much harder than Mannslaughter.
AND don't think im defending those idiot low-tours. Im just saying that not all low-tours are trash at MvM.
@@syntaxerror_08t Yes, of course. I'm a 1-tour Repeater myself.
I dont see a problem if a cheater is actually good playing mvm if he's actually being helpful as such in wave 666 all spy bots can instantly get scoped would help deal with the pain of that since I myself have to repeatedly carry the spy wave as a pyro but I digress if the cheater is crap should kick him
@@comradechubs3755 Whether if a Cheater is good or not, a cheater is a cheater, a bot is a bot, kick it.
i actually kinda feel this cuz in a round i was with a engineer who was doing less damage than our medic even
but atleast he helped with good dispenser placements so we didnt kick him
what was his name? (if you dont remember is alright but i think i was that engie)
I’m sorry, the MEDIC?
As hoovy main, engineer who place good dispenser is credit to team.
Even if sentry man maker not meet par.
@@epicjeongubershield gos * october fast
The amount of people who are going to call you toxic for this will be a joy for you I bet. Nah you’re 100% in the right, if someone is trash, unresponsive, and not putting in any attempt to improve, that is a burden on every other player’s time, no one should deal with that.
I much appreciate you explaining your philosophy around kicking though, I believe it’s one that many high tours agree with and I think newbies need to understand. We never want to kick them, but force our hand and we will.
To those saying "he takes MVM to seriously" tell that to the other 3 people who voted the Engi out because he was doing bad. If you go 3 rounds as Engi and no Sentry Busters show up AT ALL in a mode where people payed money to potentially get good items, then you deserve to get a vote kick called on you.
Actually, that was the one point I missed to talk about in this video, thank you for pointing that out.
Yeah, 3 out of 4 agreed on that kickvote, that means a lot.
Thing is I once was that kind of guy. Although I only didn't do enough damage to summon a sentry buster because I changed to demo afterwards, saying I was not a good enough engineer. I mean at that time all I had was the Widowmaker.
The 0 interaction part is what sets it over the edge.... like if you can talk then you can at least communicate with them to help them, but if not you might as well remove them and find someone who can
what if they're f2ps?
@@michaell33t14 Bro this is Mann up mode, it's pay to play
@@fractalisomega9517 So what? You can buy tickets from trading sites. Btw, you can chat only if your steam account is not limited.
New stubborn players will be stubborn players unfortunately.
If you wanna hear my story I played a ton of intermediate boot camp mvm before even touching mann-up. And when I started playing mann-up I played my first two or three tours with a party of friends for help.
Also to get off topic here, I didn't know the cleaners carbine trick was a thing lol.
Imagine Cheating Agaisnt AI/bots lmao
Imagine if it cost money to play competitive in other multiplayer games, like CS:GO, Valorant, Overwatch, or even TF2 (in PvP matchmaking). Would you want someone who is new and skipped the free learning option, which gives relatively good experience, to be ruining your paid match? I believe that if these players were willing to learn and listen on how to do things better, then it's different, but if they just continue making the same mistakes it can be understandable to kick them. Happens just the same in MMOs and competitive games all the time.
MvM bootcamp is horrible though, you have higher chances of winning in actual MvM if only because you dont have to deal with like 3 SMG Snipers and fists only Heavy
Performance
Trolling
Communication
My performance in MvM is usually decent, and Sentry busters do actually show up when I play engie, though I'm best with scout
I don't usually upgrade dispenser range, but I stopped playing engine for a while and I do kind of see the point of it now (Though I wish it was cheaper. I may want to support but I'm mainly engineer for the damage output and teleporters for the team...) I don't troll when it's time to be more serious. I usually don't even do the banana tele game, but sometimes I do it once in a while.
And as for communication, I won't answer in voice chat but I ABSOLUTELY allow criticism. If you're going to be bossy, I in fact even just give up and ask you for your advice (though if the advice isn't solid, I usually go back to what I was doing. I have seen some non-solid advice that I know is going to get my stuff destroyed. That being said, there are some good ones I'll agree to.) I also type in text chat. I have 0 (non-community server) tours.
Also that "Me-" "DIC!" And "Roger-" "That!" are PERFECT
Them interesting facts about MvM newbies.
I usually play Digital Directive and I somehow played effectively on those matches (and got 2 Zealiums). Someday I'll play Official MvM, someday.
Some DD missions(Giza) is more harder than vanilla. So I think anyone who at least played a mission will be decent at mvm. Also i don't think not having tours is a sign of a newbie, how you play does.
0:49 I am impressed that you could deduct what upgrades he has and doesn’t have on the fly
I fully agree with you on your guidelines on when to kick others and that this kick was 100% justified.
But I want to speak about a problem that few a being vocal about : WHERE do you want them to learn MvM ?
Bootcamp is a well-known shitshow, there are thousands of guides (both on Steam and UA-cam) that are just filled with misinformation, and your average high tour might have fallen for these traps and thinks that Spy is useless or must be upgrading sapper.
The only 4 sources of good guides I can think of is my own guide, Scoutfinger's guides, _Pride's video on Expert, and Underscore Gaming's UA-cam guides. But these are honestly not popular AT ALL! Good luck finding them unless someone guides you to them.
I watched pride it is very very good and it teach me stuff about mvm I didn’t even knew about or the meta and what I can do or what upgrade I should buy and I found his vid on accidentally
You should upgrade sapper? What???
@@alargeredlizard3003 I mean, it shouldn't be a top priority upgrade, but it can come in handy against large groups if the crowd control classes aren't available at the moment
@@M4x_P0w3r oh ok
the only times a kick is justified is when they’re toxic or idle
10:21 sad spy, he's just wanting to join the soviet glory.
This reminds me of that one tale about Buddha and his pupils helping a farmer whose mule fell in a pit.
even when i was a new player, i understood the basics of basics, and switched to what my team needed
Your guidelines justification sound very much acceptable and fair.
This is the closest thing to great wall of heavies 3, ill take it
Quickly call him salty and an over elitist
The one type of player I truly despise in multiplayer games (including IRL games, not strictly limited to video games) is the one who apparently doesn't want to play but still wastes everyone's time. They're easy to spot: they don't communicate except to throw insults or tell you to shut up, they do blatantly counterproductive or just plain stupid shit all the time (generally stuff that doesn't require any effort on their part) or simply stand there doing nothing like they're not interested at all, and may leave the game out of boredom or frustration at any moment.
I'm just shy of 30 tours and I'll be the first to admit I was a trash MvM player when I started. I hogged the dispenser, bought the mini sentry upgrade and two way tele the whole nine yards. But then I met a random player, don't remember his name, back long before this last update that blocked us from inspecting other players upgrades. He walked me through what I upgrades I needed and the general order to get them in. Probably the most important thing he taught me was getting at least 2 points into dispenser range at the start and how to position the dispenser at the front lines and work off ammo packs in the back field.
Glad you were the kind of person who adapts after hearing advice. Good mindset
I have a question, does the F2P chat ban still apply to MvM since it's an official Valve server?
I mean, the player likely paid for his ticket through the in-game store, 'cuz he prolly doesn't know of other ways to buy tickets, but I've noticed that's not even enough to satisfy the requirement.
I've never actually played MvM but I thought I'd ask regardless.
yeah it does since i tried to use the other mvm mode that doesnt reward you and i couldnt talk there since i was a f2p
@@revertfellpapyrusfandeunde4380 if that's the case, I guess that makes the "refusing to communicate" point moot.
To be honest, I think he should've given the F2P advice regardless of whether or not he was listening. Make it clear you wanna help out.
Really late to reply, but yes, after you purchase your premium upgrade there is a small downtime before you could chat(or anything related to premium account), my first mvm experience also like this engineer, but luckily it was the last wave and no one vote kick me yet.
Whats the link for the fall guys hitsound/killsound?
Make it yourself
Join my discord and @ me, I'll send you one
just played my first tour and it went pretty nice
About the job for Scout: it's only better to upgrade Mad Milk if there are Giant Scouts in the wave; otherwise, it's not needed.
You can Sniper to aim safer, can help Medics farming the uber easier by slowing down the buster. And it only costs 200. Unless it's an Expert that gives you only 400$ to start with, it's always a solid option to go for in early waves.
@@DEWILL But I thought it was better to upgrade Movement Speed and Resistances for Scout.
@@Loner098 Two cities give you nearly 1k per wave. Come on.
@@DEWILL There are reasons why I don't play MVM that often, you know. Also, have you ever participated in the community-made MVM Tours made by Potato.tf?
@@Loner098 Servers are not quite easy to excess for Asians like me, and playing with randoms is quite of pain so. I played a few, only with my friends. Cause of that, not a big fan.
The USSR existed from 1922 to 1991 which means the USSR lasted for 69 years
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If you want to play mvm, you gotta know how to support the team.
6:55 robo scout horde literaly trampled that pyro holy shit
Pyro has alerted the horde!
I have my own oppinion on this from since when i bought my first ever ticket (and since ive seen a few mvm videos of either noobs or anyone playing wrong just get kicked) ive gone and went a couple of hours looking up the best metas to use when playing mann up. There is a reason to why i just dont agree to just kicking a noob and its because they are never really givin the time to make mistakes, and learn from said mistakes. For example a noob joins the lobby loses a round and is immediately kicked. OR another way it could have been handled would have been to let him/her lose a few times and then after that to try and kindly guide them along the way. I mean if said noob is just toxic about it then i can see why someone would kick them. But just giving guidance would be the best thing you are doing for the MVM community
They need to see more Simplemente Tomako tutorials
Well some newer mvm did look through mvm history and learned how to play. Which is another key factor.
Do you think the air strike or beggars bazooka is better for soldier in mvm?
Having 5 heavies and an engi is the new meta
ive been playing two cities on boot camp for a long time. its only cause i have no tickets, but practice is still perfect right?
추가 미니 센트리, 양방향 텔레포터, 개척자의 정의?
저건 킥해도 무죄야
Dewill be like: A real texan, should know that.
"glory to Soviet" DEWILL IS NORRH KOREAN CONFIRMED
term “low tour” is more of an insult to people who don’t have a billion tours. I have 12 tours and I can be considered a “low tour”. Tbh using the term “Low Tour” is more of a medal showing that I didn’t spend 40000 tickets on mvm
Mvm is pretty easy to be honest. I’m relatively new to it, I only have 4 tours but I waited until I beat calignous caper 3 times (twice as sniper once as demo) to play Mann up. I think I’ve gotten a lot better at the game since I started playing Mann up because of people telling me to do certain things (I main engie on mvm) and now I know which upgrades to get and which positions to put buildings in.
AH yes, The great heavy wall 3
im think the game is so old 14 years of live and not a single minute to see a 20-30 mins guide
For future preferences, don't immediately ask him "Do you know how to play" because people might take a wrong turn about it
Seeing him upgraded Mini-Sentry and Two-Way Tele at the first wave was more than enough reason to ask that, I think.
@@DEWILL Oh yeah, that is definitely a bad sign right there.
I feel conflicted on this (coming from someone with like, 2-3 or so tours). Where can 0 tour players learn? Paraphrasing someone else, "Boot Camp is well-known to be a dumpster fire, and the guides are severely misinformed," but at the same time, the kick was 100% justified. Overall, kinda good video, even if I have at least one nitpick with it.
Also, at 8:14, that Medic changing into a Heavy was kinda funny.
Bruh moment
Ye
When I first played MvM in Boot Camp I found it really cool and fun, co-operating with your team to win. So, since everyone rely on each other to perform well during the mission I didn't play Mann Up until I was experienced enough, trough playing boot camp and watching MvM guides on YT I got myself a really decent idea of the meta and how to perform well to not let my team down. It's annoying knowing that there's people out there that jump into a co-op gamemode without doing at least the minimum amount of research on how to be effective.
Still better than tacobot, as you had a proper reason
but this is what made radicialization of tacobot players. the joker's origin story right here. both severe addicts.
@@isaiahsimmons5776 I cant really blame DEWILL right here, the engi refuse to listen to the good advice of the other high tour player. Mean while, tacobot member like herald, like to kick any pyro player as soon as they pick pyro (maybe just tell them to switch class). Atleast listen and follow the guide from the high tour, not just straight up become deaf and do whatever he want. Waiting for other to carry and not learn anything.
I Almost Always Play Heavy Or Engi In MVM Cause They Are Fairly Simple, Heavy You Shoot Big Baby Robots And Engi You Manage Your Buildings, It Was Really Sweet A Few Days Ago As The Guys I Was Playing With Let Me Try Out Scout Who I Never Play In MVM, It Felt Good To Get Out Of My Comfort Zone And Not Get Everyone Upset Cause Im Not Preforming The Best I Can~ I Wanna Try Other Classes As Well Later But I Always Respect Picking Whats Best For The Team.
every 8320202854038 tours person be like: "WAAAAAA THIS GUY IS HERE FOR FUN NOT TO WIN WE NEED TO KICK HIM"
But they literally paid to win the game and get rewards. That's what's fun to them. Is that one stubborn newbie's fun worth more than the 4 or 5 other people's fun? They literally tried to help him but he just didn't listen. From the look of this comment, you only read the title and didn't even watch the first 3 minutes of the video. And no, I don't play MVM. I've only gotten a total of 2 tours done my entire 3 or so years of playing TF2. You seem like the one who's complaints are unjustified, not DEWILL's.
@@sedij2358 i watched the whole video
@@sedij2358 so if u want to play mvm u need to spend 7 hours watch mvm tutorials amazing
@@e3en7444 it is what it is
@@ahyes8245 sadly.. yes it is what it is
5:50 why read when there's videos that go into so much more detail?
I've been playing boot camp for a while because I can't afford Mann up, but I was gifted a few tickets back around heavy day anniversary last year, problem is I haven't had a chance to use em cuz I haven't been feeling like playing mvm, is Mann up much different from boot camp or is it just the serious competitive version?(no shitposting/experimenting with new strategies)
its just the same, but with a CHANCE, not guaranteed, to get a profit
1:40 I usually never touch explosive headshot and end up shooting all medics in the head one by one (I only play Boot Camp since I'm broke) because it's more fun that way but the surprising thing is that doing that actually works pretty well (If you're a good shot at least)
Also at 6:14, how'd you tell that was a cheat? In the first spectate clip it was a pretty obvious, but I genuinely couldn't tell from the second spectate feed alone (In part due to how much was happening in the background)
Slow it down and how those flicks go. A human's screen doesn't "snap" onto the head even if it looks like it. But aimbots do that, especially blatant ones. You can spot some aim teleporting without acceleration nor deceleration, happening in a single frame span of time.
@@DEWILL Ah I guess that makes sense, though I'm still impressed that you could pick up on that the first time while it was happening without access to anything to slow the visuals down to be honest. You'll be surprised at how many people can't tell if someone is cheating if they aren't blatantly spinbotting all over the place and pointing at the sky (And embarrassingly enough I'm sometimes like that too)
Hey Dewil how i can activate the shield with the medic "i dont want the people say me stupid when i play with medic in MVM
you can set your shield activation keybind in the options menu, the default keybind for shield may be different for everyone
@@simonkeyes6860 ohhh thanks ;)
Great heavy wall 2.0
bootcamp exist for a reason
toxic mvm high tour moment
I was playing a game of expert mvm and we had an engie that never bought dispenser range and had the shotgun and pistol equipped. Needless to say we kicked them after they would never listen to the rest of the team.
I thought Heavy was a counter-revolutionary
Im watching this to learn before i play mvm
I recommend your takeaway from this video should be "seek out the players who won't treat you like shit because you're new and want to learn what works for you."
People like DeWill are not the people you should look up to when trying out MvM.
@@Knoxlock okay dude/dudet
my take on all this:
you can play MVM any way you want....
As long as you're playing MVM bootcamp.
I have never agreed more to a MVM newbiekick before.
As a low tour myself, my advice is to play a fuck ton of boot camp because it teaches you how to play through experience
Best if you PLACE a dispencer where teammates battle and must be in safe spot. 😀
He who fights with tacobot should look to it that he himself does not become a tacobot
7:38 now i know dewill was the eminem
Well newbies also can go to comunity servers mvm to test things themselfs if they want to learn by themselfs (i kinda did that)
but? Tacobot.TF exists still? Maybe or its already gone?
I mean, just click the link yourself to see lmfao
Answer: Yes, They just dont bot in mannup anymore
still there. and dont even think about it.
I called it lmao, early mvm part, dewill arguing early, and it was one of those day
At least fall guys sounds is still here
Also that major 3 things is good points
While they want to learn, warn and/or ask before doing something newbies. And the other who dont, well... They dont have any completed tours.
I've learnt mvm because of a alot of hours in bootcamp, shame that when in mann up high tour players see me as a noob cause of the low tour
At least if you get the right upgrades and position yourself right at the start and know your team role, your high-tour teammates will have the patience to help you out and try to fill your skill gap. If you just don't care enough to learn the game before you play MvM, especially because it's much more team-oriented, and ignore/question other higher-tour players' advice, then it's entirely your fault if you get kicked, because high-tours cannot help those who do not help themselves.
I’ve got like 200hrs worth of mvm under my belt
But I haven’t played a single tour
So like yeah
Valid points and all but Jesus fucking Christ, my ears dude, that is some high pitch volume voice.
Sure you have a point. (Probably because I used to play MOBA games before and players I've teamed up with are absolute garbage.)
Although, when it comes to some newbies that doesn't speak, at least don't assume instantly like "This guy just want to play what he wants." instantly just because they failed the criteria.
It's also the interaction that ticked me a lot on some of your videos at this point.
You will probably find that the guy cheating was just trying to farm for Australiums, which is stupid but then again its funny to see people pay for cheats and then pay for a 3% chance to get an Australium, which they will probably sell for less than half of what they were paying to play MVM and paying for the cheats combined
No no no, he has a point
9:31 "a song" lmao
you tried to help him, he dint want to listen. i think its a good reason to kick
our land
So im a f2p newbie whos only put 200 hours all together into the game , a friend gave me a mvm ticket and my experience in it was fun and enjoyable to people with 1000s of hours should i expect this every game?
You should expect to meet a few asses sometimes that kick you just because you don't follow their playstyle and wish to play with your own. Just know that a few of us actually encourage you to try out what works best for you instead of what a group of people thinks works best for all.
My motto when i play with newer players is "play as what you're the best as, and i'll play as what i'm the best as".
You'd be surprised how often players that have previously struggled to pull their weight chip in with their best talents as long as you give them the option.
Even though I'm a average okayish mvm player I'm... Scared. No joke, I have an upgrade habit especially on engi, even though they can't show the inspection of upgrades I still get scared on how they look at my gameplay.
Dewill pls,revive the memefests😞😞😞
Wait what... THATS MY NAME IRL
Generally I’m a very causal tf2 player. Plus goes with MVM boot camp, however MVM tours are were in a bit more competitive.
I wouldn’t straight up vote someone out in MVM (most of my experiences are that new mvm players are okay but questionable). However I do understand that you would kick someone if they don’t coordinate with the team, upgrade shitty things, and generally become a burden.
I think some new mvm players need to play boot camp instead of straight up going to MVM Tours
But I dunno, I’m causal so I don’t vote much against people on MVM
some not only don't know the basic of mvm but also the basic of the casual game bruh
let them play
I'm a low tier MVM player but that doesn't mean I'm a newbie. I've played Boot camp A LOT with my friends. I mean, who doesn't want to play wave 666?
For those who want to know the basic of mvm tours watch a expert mvm guide by Pride_ he goes in to the basic upgrade or tactics you and positioning for all classes to give you a good idea about what to do I watch him and I manage to get praise from my team for not screwing up even thought I was a low tour
I agree if a noob is not ready to cooperate and learn how to play or at least f****** communicate to find out how to play the game mode then they don't deserve to be carried through like a baby
one thing i haven't seen but you maybe tried was using text-chat
I know that I often forget that I have voice_enable 0 with all the bots spamming dupstep and hardbass lately
For me I'm not a really go MvM player I just like to be a casual f2p player in MvM even if I have a tour I will not be good but I can try to be a good scout i guess but Dewill i don't think I'm good but I love watching your videos there all amazing and love your content
me when i see a noob in mvm:
-what class pick?
-what upgrade does he have
-how does he peform
-does he interact?
-do he want to take advice?
-what is his loadout?
if he dind sattisfied 4/6 i rather leave
Isn't this what bootcamp exists for?
uhh welcome to random queueing i guess?
0 tours here having a question for high-tours:
Is having a cheater actually bad in MvM since the gamemode is basically just for getting rewards at the end and you aren't fighting against players?
it is bad because it makes getting the rewards easier and that'll hurt the prices of the rewards.
You should earn the rewards legit, not with cheats. Also keep in mind these cheaters likely cheat on Casual and Community too, do you really want them in your game?
imo, I don't agree unless we begin to lose. I don't care if they're bottom scoring with 40 points after 5 waves, or if we have to redo 1 or 2 waves before we can move on, but if they aren't actively preventing me from not beating the mission, then they can play however they want. Play max swing speed fish scout for all I care, shit like that's hilarious
If they're running fish scout then they should go to bootcamp instead, if one team member isn't taking it seriously, they're gonna be a liability.
@@FED0RA if the rest of the team is shit, maybe, but mvm isn't hard. One person having fun won't guarantee you lose. If it really only takes that one person goofing off to make the whole team fall apart, you should really consider how good you actually are at the game. Sure, sometimes it doesn't work out and I already stated my view on when it doesn't, but most of the time you're completely fine, and the people complaining are being pretentious despite winning.
@@JesseIsBetterThanYou if we're winning because of his dumb shit then we'll keep him, and i said that because you only have 6 players in mvm
@@JesseIsBetterThanYou yes, let one guy mess around and do whatever he wants, hurting the team's integrity, making someone else do his job for him, just so lil old him can do whatever he wants, bruh, grow a conscience
@@kyuuji9876 this comment is 6 months old, and what the fuck does integrity have to do with a video game you play with strangers you probably won't play with again lol
"the allegations are true. we beat the wave but another player was going demoknight. I am truly sorry and everyone much think so much less of me"
Did engi got his money back at least?
Yes you get your ticket back if you don't complete the round for any reason
For a mann up newbie who can't use money on stuff, I would atleast use my communications (not too much) and just use my soldier's cow mangler 3000 to rocket jump around while waiting to have everyone ready up
why u kick him its just a game