The Korean War Week 004 - Americans Repeatedly Routed - July 16, 1950
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- Elements of the US 24th Division, the only American one that's arrived in force in Korea so far, take on the North Korean forces aiming for Taejon, but they are badly- and easily- defeated each time. In the center and the east coast it's the ROK- the forces of the South- that are reorganizing and getting into position to try to stop the enemy. And Douglas MacArthur is officially appointed commander of all UN forces in Korea.
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All Korean War movie as far as i know;
1. Devotion
2. The Volunteer to The War
3. 71 into the fire
4. Battle of Lake Changjin
5. Operation Chrommite
Just keep doing to upload new video about Korean War 😍❤️.
@@stewartsingal4599 "The Bridges at Toko-Ri" :)
@@Jarlerus that movie trailer was too old. But i agree 😀.
Not sure I've ever seen that many of that type of phone in one place before.
@@stewartsingal4599 M.A.S.H.?!?
As a south korean, a reserve rok officer, and a war history enthusiast, I'm really grateful for your effort. Thank you for the series!
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
In the U.S Army. There was a slang I heard saying that the army must never have a "Task Force Smith" again.
Persumably it means the army must always be ready at anytime and anywhere.
When I first heard of it. I don't understand what they're talking about or where this Task Force Smith came from.
But now I know. And goddamn how right they were.
TF Smith was made up of garrison/occupation forces from Japan who had no real combat training or experience. This is the same reason Japan was able to roll over so many countries as fast as they did back in 1941-42 - the British and Dutch forces there were more policemen than soldiers, trained and experienced in an entirely different mission and unable to stand up to a regular army. I was in the US Army from the mid-80's through 2001 and even in peacetime garrison we still did lots of combat training and exercises, took everything seriously even after the USSR went down because "no more TF Smiths" was still in our minds.
As a former army firefighter 51m40 we always said the same thing
In December of 1950, the Army had "Task Force Faith" which got chopped up pretty bad, My father an artillery officer with that lash-up... YP
Hence, the Marine Corps mantra: "Every Marine a Rifleman"
I can highly recommend "Getting it Right" by James F. Dunnigan and Raymond M. Macedonia on this subject. This book illustrates the unpreparedness of the US military not just in Korea, but in almost all previous wars, comparing task force Smith to the events at Kasserine pass. And with armies getting better mobility and firepower, there was a real chance that any distant war might be over before the United States could intervene. The military had to 'get it right' from the onset, and that it did.
My Father in Law was with Task Force Smith and survived. He passed in 2009. He was never shy about talking about his experiences there. Thanks for covering this.
Thanks for sharing a bit about your Father in Law, may he rest in peace.
Kind of crazy to expect light infantry battalions to hold off combined arms divisions
Like market garden...
The thing is that US infantry battalions were not light infantry, they were effectively motorised infantry who should have had plenty of their own combined arms support. (Each regiment had its own tank company and heavy mortars while the divisional level had a full battalion of tanks as well as full regiment of 105mm and 155mm artillery.)
Of course there was the small detail that the divisions in Japan did
not have their full TOE yet commanders tried to use them according to the "book" because that is how they had trained.
Had the US divisions had their proper equipment things would have gotten difficult for the KPA a lot earlier even with the relatively poor level of training the US troops had. US divisions simply had so much firepower that the KPA and later PLA could not compete on a 1:1 basis.
The 1st Marine Provisional Brigade did.
@@TheDustysixBut that was a Combined Arms unit. Edit: Removed “Kinda” from the sentence.
@@Vonstab "The thing is that US infantry battalions were not light infantry" except they were defacto light infantry. if you call a hammer a spade, then it doesn't transform into a spade.
Indy idk how else to get in touch so I'm going to comment and hope you see it. I want to sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing an entire series on the Korean War. My grandfather was a Staff Sargent, April 1952-February 1953, stationed in Chorwon. He was a combat medic with the 25th Infantry, 90th Field Artillery Battalion. He replaced the guys that replaced the Bloody Gulch victims.
His entire life he saw the war as pointless, futile, for nothing. He was so bitter about it. In 2003 he got to go back to Seoul on an honor flight. It blew him away: the 23rd Century City. But to see children walking hand in hand to school was what really got him. That's what made him realize it wasn't pointless. A man in his 80s finally found peace.
I thank you, you and your team, from the bottom of my heart, for covering this oft forgotten 3+ year war. Staff Sargent G.E.F. Ehrman would be proud.
I am also going to comment this here so it lives on forever if someone happens to read it. My grandfather was drafted at age 22 and deployed to Korea at age 23. His nickname was "Old Man" because everybody else was 17 or 18. He trained at Camp Carson, CO from mid 1951 until March 1952, where he was shipped to Washington State. From there he took a boat across the Pacific and landed in Pusan.
He arrived as a Corporal and was promoted to Sargent in January, 1953. Upon discharge he was promoted to Staff Sargent.
He did not talk about the War. He had several jokes to deflect questions...one was this:
Grandpa: I learned some Korean during the War.
Me: Oh yeah? What did you learn?
He would lean over right toward me and yell "GI, YOU NO F***ING GOOD!" and we'd both laugh. But the more I read, the more I hunt down information and assemble a timeline, the more I realize he was there during a very bad part of the war. Trench warfare in the mountains essentially.
When he returned from Korea back to his farm he suffered severe depression and moderate to severe PTSD. One day in 1954 he got angry at a hay bailer and kicked it. It caught his leg and threw him into the air and snapped it at the shin. He was rushed to the VA where he spent the next 8 weeks with his leg suspended. It was here he met a pretty redhead candy-striper, my grandmother. To think if not for that brief lapse in judgement, I would not exist.
They married in 1956 and raised four children.
My grandfather retired from farming in 1985, after more than 50 years of it. My grandmother started a very successful insurance agency around the same time. They both got to spend the last 25 years of their lives touring the world, from Korea to Germany, from Rome to Ireland, from Russia to Jamaica. They worked very hard all their lives.
In 2010 my grandmother passed away. In 2016, at the age of 87, Staff Sargent Ehrman passed away in his sleep from old age. He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He was the most hard working and earnest man I've ever met. And he is still my hero, to this day, almost a decade after his passing.
I wanted to share this because it is important to know of the everyday men who fought these wars. And because I honor my grandfather's sacrifices.
If anybody wants I have a few more stories of his time in Korea that I pried out of him. He'd only talk to me about any of it, really. Most are humorous.
I tagged Indy for both of you guys. This is so heartwarming and touching to read. Thank you for sharing these stories.
-TimeGhost Ambassador
@@TheKoreanWarbyIndyNeidell Thanks for that. These stories are amazing and really help to flesh out this series, so it's not just a video of "this happened and then this happened", but a tale of real flesh and blood people, just like us... except doing the dirty work so we have better lives.
@@daehr9399 Yeah: tell us the stories!
I'm glad your grandfather visited South Korea again *after* the SK people won their true democracy away from the military governments.
Well, the modern day American mentality regarding the military is starting to make so much more sense now. They were caught unprepared once, suffered for it, and said "never again".
Ironically, what happened to Task Force Smith is more "normal" for the start of our wars. (Pearl Harbor, War of 1812, Bull Run, etc) It was only after Korea that the US committed to maintaining a war-ready military in peace-time.
@@MM22966Hang on, didn't the US start the War of 1812? 🤨
@@firefox3249 1812 was a part of the Napoleonic Wars. The US started to trade with Revolutionary France so the British started capturing our merchant ships, which is an act of war.
@@firefox3249 That depends on what you mean by "start." The US did declare war first. But they felt they had no other choice since the Brits were boarding American vessels and impressing American citizens in to the Royal Navy against their will.
@@firefox3249 they still weren't prepared for what it entailed
My great uncle went MIA/POW at the Kum River, part of D Company, 1st Battalion, 19th Infantry Regiment, 24th Infantry Division. According to reports he was captured and made it to a camp called Hanjan-Ni and died of either his wounds or illness
Harry Truman affectionately refered to Douglas MacArthur as, "His Majesty."
He once said that he couldn't understand how West Point could produce people like Robert E lee, Pershing and Eisenhower while at the same time produce Custers, Pattons and MacArthurs. He also said that Roosevelt should have left him in the Philippines in 1942!🤣🤣
"You do not have a staff, General. You have a court."
Excerpt from "American Caesar" by William Manchester
Affectionately? In the same way as he "affectionately" called MacArthur a "dumb son of a bitch"?
I highly doubt it was said "affectionately". The only person who referred to Dugout Doug with affection was Dugout Doug.
@@alphamikeomega5728lol
last time I was this early, Korea was united
Yeah but sad times.
if I didn't look at channel name, I would've thought that the US was routed in Philippines again
Listening
United or occupied?? 🤷🏻♂️
wow so original
So before I even clicked on the video, having only read the title I thought; "Again?!...Wait wasnt this last week's topic"
Spoiler alert - the titles are going to be a bit repetitive here for a bit.
@@Raskolnikov70 😂👍
@@Raskolnikov70retreat again? Nah im sure the north koreans are exhausted, right?
Right?
“Korea was not that important to anyone at that time” in my opinion this has been the main driving force for Koreans to be working so hard past 70 years
Yup, so unimportant the Americans pushed the NK back to the 38th and was glad it was over, and then they errorously believed they saved half of democracy; which actually took the SK ppl themselves some 30 years to achieve.
Max Hastings is probably my favourite author when it comes to war history. I find that his writing style and attention to detail really keep my interest more than most other authors, his books are really interesting and engrossing, not to mention very well researched.
My Father was in the Korean War with the 11th Airborne and my Uncle was in the Korean War with the 2nd Infantry Division. They have both passed on and all of their records in the VA were lost in a fire that destroyed a lot of personnel files from that period of time.
I hope to see something about either one of those Army units.
Thank you for the excellent work on the forgotten war. I look forward to next week’s episode.
Only by the fourth episode did I notice that the rotary dial is on the base of the phones.
My Grandma had one of those phones in avocado green
Those were the coolest looking phones from the early 50’s, called an Ericofon also known as the Cobra phone Made by the Ericsson company of Sweden.
Yep! They are pretty neat looking phones, and as TheFoxGod444 said were called Cobra phones. Quite neat!
We called shower heads, in Denmark
They were quite annoying to operate, since you would hold the phone in a awkward position and then dial.
Depending on the number you had to dial in, it was easy to mess it up.. since the dial had to be turned to a certain point, to engage the number dialed, but with the awkward position or strength of the person's grip, you might not make it all the way around and had to start over again..
It's just so good, I wish there were two episodes per week. Patiently waiting for the next upload. Forgotten war, no longer.
Absolutely. I know next to nothing about the Korean war. This series will happily correct that gap in my knowledge
If you want to see more of this - they made whole WWII channel in this exact style by the same people!
I wonder if this series is going to keep my interest in the long run. This is the "exciting" phase of the war but years two and three were a stalemate. While WWI had stalemates and WWII had the Phoney War period, they were global conflicts that had more going on. I have enjoyed their other two war series, but I'm just not sure about Korea. I will keep an open mind and see what happens.
@@FlintIronstag23I imagine that those periods of relative inactivity will be good opportunities to expound upon the various prewar situations, as well as discuss the political discussions happening that week on the homefront
@@FlintIronstag23 As alect525 said, these provide opportunities for Indy to look at some other complex aspects of the war and we will also have specials here and there to help balance this. We are well aware of these periods and Indy doesn't plan to just report nothing!
In an upcoming video, perhaps you could do a refresher on the differences between battalions, companies, divisions etc for any newcomers? Makes it easier to judge the sizes involved against each other.
Company is the first to be led by a CO instead of an NCO. squad < platoon < company < battalion < regiment < brigade < division < core < army < army group
@@bluesteel8376 That’s just the US Army/NATO standard. Different armies have different standards though, which complicates things.
@@bluesteel8376 That’s just the US Army standard. Different armies have different standards though, which complicates things.
may I say, that the way you present these videos has become a new gold standard
(in my opinion) for presenting history.
the growth in the content, style and production values since you lot started
in on WW1 is just amazing.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for being with us all these years!
@@TheKoreanWarbyIndyNeidell no. *thank you and your team* !
My grandfather was a 18yo radio man in the Korean war
We need more information! Family stories are the best parts on the comments section.
@belbrighton6479 he would always tell a story of how he left a bunker after lunch to get a better signal. When he came back his squad was wiped out. He converted to catholic faith after that
@@belbrighton6479 my grandpa was eventually roped into the war, but ended up in Germany driving an ambulance. Won (cheated) a cuckoo clock in a card game and sent it home where it turned into a family heirloom. They wanted him to volunteer to train as a helicopter pilot but noped out.
@@jankusthegreat9233From which country was he, if i may ask? Curious about the catholic part.
@@GHOST_CROATIA Austin tx
When Truman found out that MacArthur was put in charge of the UN for tried to get him dismissed by calling in the US diplomat to the UN and asked why he supported him for this! He told Truman he was the only experience commander who could put it all together in a short time! Truman shouted I don't want to start World War 3 in Korea!
may I ask the source of this?
@@MrXdmp Sources? Sources? We don't need no stinking sources!
@@MrXdmp Truman's book he wrote about being president, the book about MacArthur called American Caesar, and a documentary about the Korean war! Also it's mentioned in a movie about MacArthur staring Gregory Peck!
Care to provide references for this statement? The UN has no authority for placing a US Army Officer into any position, nor any US Diplomat. The US President is the only one in the Chain of Command and would have to be the one to approve the appointment.
@@martinricardo4503 yes and no! Truman was under pressure from the joint Chiefs and certain members in government as well the UN!
"...the trains would leave without dropping off their cargo..." During the opening days of Desert Storm there was one night when we were off loading the helicopters for our brigade [Combat Air Brigade 3rd Armored Division] that we had a scud attack. We thought nothing of it but we later found out that the ship's captain was ordering the crew to cut the lines so they could leave. As the story goes one of officers was on the bridge at the time and pulled out his pistol was told the ship's captain "you're not going anywhere." I no idea if that's what happened but knowing said officer I believe it.
Also, I would love to see a special episode were they would explain how the Korean War was a water shed for WW2 Tech and the Jet Age
Max Hastings is a commendable military writer,and quite prolific.His recent "Abyss" about the 1962 crisis is like a Bond novel,made more scary by the fact it nearly happened.I can highly recommend any of his works.
Can only agree, everything is worth a read.
-TimeGhost Ambassador
His 1988 book on this war was somewhat damning about US performance, especially the US Army's.
@@stevekaczynski3793 Ive not read it for a while,but i think that was the impression i got.Probably only a few years after WW2 i think peoples expectations were disappointed.The US Marines did ok at Inchon and Chosin.
5 years since the trinity test today
really, just 5?
Time ghost army, thank you
This series is already so interesting and captivating, so much to learn. Thank you Indy and the whole team.
In a 200 level history college class we were briefly taught that MacArthur was removed from Korea for suggesting the use of atomic weapons.
Which there is absolutely no proof of. What he wanted to do was bomb the chinese supply camps across the Yalu. But Bradly was chairman and he was always a wimp
Despite the fact that we had the capability to deliver nuclear weapons to the USSR and they had no way to strike the US, and had only about a tenth as many overall bombs, he convinced truman that we were risking nuclear war. and truman, who had been attacked often for dropping the bombs, wimped out as well
@@johnhallett5846 calling people who didn't want to set a precedent of using nukes, against non nuclear foes "wimps" sure is one of the takes of all time. Personally, sane is the word I would use to describe them.
@@psyivy9169 Cowards? Actualy it was NEVER susgested that we use nukes; just warn Russia that they use nukes in Korea then we use nukes on THEM
MacArhur NEVER said a thing about using a nuke
show me where it is cited that he did
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Also during this week, a young Colonel Paik Sun Yup of the ROK 1st division finally received some proper maps from the US 24th Regiment. Until then, his staff had been sketching out their operational planning on a "complete map of the republic of south korea" his staff had found hanging in a classroom of a primary school during their retreat down south. Somehow, they had made it work!?
I wonder if we will see this fellow around again at some point? Seems promising?
This is so cool. I was stationed in ROK for 6 years: they kept paying me more money to stay :). I've gone to all the museums and tours, I knew that ROK/US forces were initially pushed all the way south, but I've never heard the full story. Thanks for that.
Thanks for sharing Aleksey, and thanks for watching.
Speaking of the Max Hastings quotes. I listened his book about the war on Audible, and it is really interesting. Made me appreciate the the ROK and UN veterans even more than before.
Note that the commonwealth was currently fighting the Malayan emergency in British Malaya.
Idk how relevant it will be to this story but Australia will hold a referendum in 1951 to ban communism that will fail. You guys may find that interesting to include in a years time
The British still managed to get troops to Korea though, as in the glosters, they fought to the last man in Korea.
@@jimbo6059 I was just highlighting this because I litterally wrote an essay about the Malayan emergency’s effect on Australia yesterday lmao.
I found a really interesting source, a pamphlet made by the Australian parliament making the case for and against the referendum. In which it makes reference to Malaya being a sign of the dangers of communist war mongering (idk why I mention that but it was super interesting)
But yeah I thought it was an interesting bit of context, and you’ll note that the video states the location of British units at this time and it says divisions in Malaya where everywhere else has brigades and battalions
@jimbo6059 Uhhh....not to diminish the efforts of the Glosters, "...they fought to the last man..."
That makes it sound like the Spartans at Thermopolae. The Battalion was not wiped out, more were captured than killed.
Well the WW2 series completely missed the death of Australian Prime Minister John Curtin a couple of weeks ago so I am not confident the Menzies referendum will feature.
@@BossDropbear yeah we have a tendency to be absolutely forgotten, they only mention Australian history in pop culture to make fun of the emu war, and they don’t even have the dignity to say emu right (I’m referring to Americans/ history buffs not time ghost, they’re pretty cool)
Abselutely insane that the politicians would ask the military for advice on the nuclear option and its the military who has to explain and warn about the political implications of such action. The politicians should bloddy well know the implications already.
As I recall, the Rand Corporation did a lot of theoretical strategizing about nuclear war and deterrence from around 1948.
@@alphamikeomega5728 And they stumbled every step of the way if they operated back during the Korean war. Wasnt they the corp who goated the US into Vietnam because they had no clue about basic nationalism?
Great episode. Ill be watching these and rewatching WW2 a lot. The WW2 episodes were great.
Oh boy, MacArthur getting placed in command with little oversight. Surely this won't backfire again, right?
.....Right??
it's kind of crazy - but then also, not crazy at all - how seemless the peak level of quality and make-up of The Korean War series is; compared to WW2 and all its sub-series.
you guys are seriously experts at your craft. I am beyond happy to get this exceptional quality of content from you guys - especially on a topic so forgotten, overlooked as the Korean war!!
xoxo from CH
Thank you so much for the very lovely comment!
Wednesday nights have been awesome since this series dropped!
The relatively smaller numbers we see mentioned in this war, which isn't a very small war, kind of put into perspective the sheer size of action in WW2 and WW1.
Numbers in isolation don't have much meaning unless you have other numbers to compare them to.
By the end though, you’ll see that some of the numbers, such as several casualty metrics and tons of ordnance dropped, you’ll see that they actually approach or even surpass the WW2 numbers, which is quite insane considering the overall size and timeframe of the conflict.
So random to suddenly hear Indy say your name at the end of the episode (second pronunciation is almost a 100% spot on). Thank you and the whole team for providing this amazing content for years. Keep up the good work 💪🏻
Outstanding work SIR. All of your work is worth an award.
Hi Indy
Interesting weekly episode.
Thanks.
I just love Max Hastings!
Hey Korean War team, if you decide to do episodes on covert ops/spies and ties, I highly recommend checking out the book titled “Surprise, Kill, Vanish” by Annie Jacobson as it has a chapter on covert ops in the Korean War which is absolutely fantastic. It also highlighted the decline in military readiness between WW2 and Korea, and how some of the OSS operatives were no longer effective at covert ops as well as how strongly different operations were between Korea and WW2.
Thanks for the suggestion Indiana, I can pass it onto the team!
- Jake
Hello Indy I have a question,
Like the World War II series, perhaps later on in the Korean War series would you start doing a “out of the foxholes” segment answering specific questions about the Korean war?
I presently live in Sejong (which was not yet incorporated in 1950) just a little south of Jochiwon. It’s been interesting watching and waiting for when the area I reside in fell.
Mr. Neidell. Thank you very much for this series of the Korean War.
Thankyou for putting the unit identifiers on the mil symbols!
Love your work as always! 😊
All thanks to the map team for that! Thanks for watching.
These series are so much better when you catch them “live”!
Hope to see you next premiere!
thanks Indy & team
Thanks for watching!
Thank you indy and timeghost team
Thanks for watching!
Will you have a one or two shot video to discuss equipment and vehicles being used by both sides? I understand that a lot of the gear will be WW2 vintage, but some of it is new and a refresher would be beneficial anyways.
The infantry and armor stuff is mostly WWII vintage, but there were huge advances in aircraft. That would be one interesting area to cover in detail.
It is my understanding there will be some later this year.
-TimeGhost Ambassador
@@TheKoreanWarbyIndyNeidell Awesome, thank you!
This series is really interesting, I imagine unlike WW2 with the Axis it is hard to get information on interior plans / movements of North Korean leadership ?
I doubt much has been released from the NK side during or since the war .
Keep it up !
I almost missed this series. I thought that I subscribed earlier but it didn't hold for some reason.
I like how your fashion looks as if you're experiencing the hot and humid Korean summer.
Thank you, nice of you to point that out!
-TimeGhost Ambassador
Indy- you are again amazing me with your seamless pronunciation of people and places. Hats off to your job done on the ww2 project, and continuing on with this project.
thank you!
I cannot tell you how much I love this series so far. You're an excellent host. Thank you!
Glad you enjoy it!
- Jake
Thanks for the additions to the map animations over the last couple of weeks. The insets and especially and unit designations really help a lot.
This series is already great, I can’t wait to see where it goes as it grows! As always, Indy is great at this.
Great video as always! Small request, when zoomed in on korean geography, could you show where we're looking in relation to the korean peninsular? I struggle to visualise where action is taking place, except obviously, that we're somewhere in the south!
I'm so glad you've continued this type of serious man; crazy I started watching yall freshman year of high school
Thanks for being with us all these years!
Great stuff. It’s made me go and rewatch The Great War.
As General Colt of "Kellys Heroes" fame says "Forget about your flanks will ya!"...i guess the commander of the 5th KPA Division never studied Gen.Colts way of war,gems like "We got logistics coming out of our ears!"
I think this show would really benefit for some Korean povs. While we get a good idea of the changes and positions of the American chain of command, who where the Korean commanders who are dealing this impressive defeats to what is supposed to be the American juggernaut? Will they come up later? What kind of hard decisions and challenges are they facing? Same for ROK units.
I remember a documentary c.1988 that interviewed some North Korean veterans, generally lower-ranking ones during the war. They referred to their Western opponents as the "imperialists" and the ROK Army as the "puppet army". I have not encountered any memoirs by their commanders, some of whom were killed in the war, like Kim Chaek, or fell from grace post-war, sometimes for being considered too pro-Chinese, like 4th Division commander Lee Kwon-mu, or in some cases for being deemed too pro-USSR.
Thanks for taking us along for these history lessons. Take care, keep safe.
You too!
Love this series, interesting to see how the cold war often approached lukewarm.
Is there any kind of "military maxim" that says something like"Always assume the enemy will be more capable than you."?
In Shakespeare's "Henry V", the otherwise foolish Dauphin says, "In cases of defence 'tis best to weigh the enemy more mighty than he seems".
I like the persistence use of VFR charts 😊
I'm liking this series quite a lot! And, of course, learning quite a bit. This is the Forgotten War for a reason - my knowledge is largely from M.A.S.H. tv show. Now I want to pick up a Korean War game and play it!
Another week, another fascinating episode, love it
Great to hear!
I love the Time Ghost coverage of Korea. I can't become a patreon but do you guys offer one time donations?
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Hey Indie, since you know Swedish; Älskar dina program!! Ser fram emot nästa avsnitt (och i framtiden hoppas jag det går så väl att ni gör Vietnam också.) Ha det bäst!
Vietnam? Har de krig? Nja, de hade Indochina Kriget för fyra år sedan, men... vänta... vet du någonting att jag inte vet? Kan du ser i framtiden????
@@Southsideindy Det är bara löjliga förhoppningar i min kristallkula, känns naturellt, nu ska vi inte gå händesler i förväg, jag kommer sitta fastklistrad och följa vecka för vecka hur det gick i Korea, Skål min vän! Om jag ser dig så bjuder jag på finaste ölen!
I'm still think it's strange to hear Indy say that "it's 1950" every week.
Last time I was this early, the austro-Hungarian trains were still moving at the speed of a bicycle
I keep forgetting this airs on Tuesdays, what a pleasant surprise after my shift!
I'm enjoying this series and looking forward to the rest of it. However, a little run-up on the Chinese civil war would be cool. I've found myself looking at other videos on this subject. What do you think, Indy.
Indy looking like he really is stationed in a tent in the hot Korean countryside. Kudos!
It is very surprising that Soviets honoured the agreement and stopped ad 38th paralel.
I remember reading a book about the Korean War with a copyright from the late 50s. It depicted these events way differently. At first, it makes me question what I think I know. But then, I realize that its more of a case of not being wrong, I'm just learning more.
Forgotten War??...No more!! I am looking forward to the coverage of this war that my Dad as an RCR Infantry soldier fought in. He never talked much about it, (saying it was too awful to go back in his mind to those days of terror), and lost his buddies when a mortar shell hit their hooch, just as Dad went to get grub for them all. I will probably learn more about his war from you guys (just as you did teach me about WW2) with this series. Thanks a lot.
I had a pretty decent understanding of the Korean conflict already. But this channel is awesome with its week by week breakdown. Just when you thought you learned enough. There's always way more that we are missing. I'd like to know more about some of the American failures in the conflict. As an active serving member of the Army in korea. I want to try and learn something so that history doesn't repeat itself. Proud American, just trying to learn from past failure, to improve conditions for the future.
I want one of these telephone things, signed by Indy?
My grandfather was a part of the 3rd Battalion, 34th Regiment, 24th Infantry Division this year (1950) in Korea. He got the Silver Star as a company commander. He only ever said it was during a rocket attack. He was shot through the neck and spent the better part of the next year in a body cast at Walter Reed. Thankfully he recovered and remained in the Army. It’s incredible to see what these men had to deal with. Almost makes me emotional.
the british said 'we won the war and lost the peace'
The "a" sound in Korean words sounds like the "a" in father.
Dangyang should not rhyme with "bang bang"
Quick rule of thumb is most foreign languages only have what is in English "long vowels".
Obviously Indy doesn't speak Korean, and that's fine
Unless it's spelled Daengyaeng
If your Korean sure say it in Korean if not then say it how you would say it in your language 🙄
@@paulyost6849Unless the name already has a popular localized pronunciation, like the case with how Americans pronounce “Paris”, it’s better to pronounce them as locals do. Imagine French people making a documentary on American history, talking about president “Whosebel” or “Lingcong”.
I am missing some context of what happens between 1945 - 1950, especially in Korea. Please release soon some videos about it :D
Excellent historical summary that flows timely again. Hoping to share with my dad, he served there. But distance and his age I'm trying to figure out how to set it upvso that he judt clicks....thanks again
When we get a few more episodes out we will have a playlist much like we do for WW2, so keep an eye for that! It could make for an easier viewing experience for him.
Love the series. I very much look forward to seeing the Mac Arthur special and hopefully even more after 😀😀
One of the things I wonder on this series is how well we'll be able to see the North Korean perspective of this war seeing as North Korean historical narratives would be kind of... Unreliable even when present.
Admittedly MacArthur's reputation has taken numerous hits historically, knowing what we do now about the details of the loss of the Philippines at the beginning of WWII & his role in that, as well as how his career would end near the end of the Korean War...however, his appointment at this point cannot be underestimated in terms of its effect, espec. on morale - to a lot of troops, many of whom were too young to have fought in WWII, his reputation was as a magic man who was unbeatable.
Indys back on the phone. Must mean something's up.
Thank you
What happened to their boots? If it was because they were attacked while they slept then that is a training failure at the most basic level. I joined the army just after the Vietnam war and one thing the veterans drilled into us was if you were ever attacked at night, [put your boots on first! You can fight effectively without pants but not without your boots.
UN: "We propose to fight this war as a committee."
Fance: "Oui, oui!"
England: "Jolly good idea."
US: "You're kidding, right?" 😂
A photo in Hastings' book shows tired US soldiers, either barefoot or in what looks like track shoes/sneakers. They might even be Korean as both KPA and ROK often wore light canvas shoes with rubber soles that looked like tennis shoes.
One of the unspoken advantages for the American troops was its heavy compliment of wheeled vehicles, jeeps and trucks. It meant that when a position collapsed, they could usually jump in a vehicle and pull back faster than NK (and later Chinese) infantry could advance, whose wheeled vehicles were mostly only for logistics resupply.
The Chinese in particular developed a tendency to establish road blocks BEHIND their enemies. At best it meant a fight to remove the road block. At worst it could result in units disintegrating in an attempt to escape encirclement. The effect of such road blocks was as much psychological as military - it could create a sense of being surrounded and give rise to panic.
Less than thirty months ago Czechoslovakia was still a democracy. Many changes between 1945 and 1950...
1st Provision Marine Brigade is formed with 5th Marines and 33- Marine Air Group
Excellent and Outstanding Episode!!!!
As I recall, Britain gave up WW2 food rationing after (what would become) West Germany did. That did not go over well... Seems that the Germans willing to engage market forces long before British Labour Party. As to Korea not being "vital"... No... not at all...in and of itself. But Japan was vital...and going back far into history, Korea has been viewed as "...a dagger pointed at Japan..." YP
You are right. The British was still rationing stuff in the mid 1950s.
Are you pretending that the post war German economy engaged in market forces ? Between the Marshal Plan and outright food aid Germany was treated like a disaster zone needing massive US government aid. Britain was not.
The Conservative Party kept rationing despite campaigning on ending it. Labour made no promise to end it because they had no knowledge or control over whether it would be possible during their term.
You are underestimating just how incredibly poor the war made Britain - they gave everything up for their war effort. The reason politicians on both sides would not end rationing despite political pressure to do so is because the sight of starving children would have been politically worse. As it is, it was really amazing - and foolish - of them to spend so much on defence in the decade after the war. It was only possible, or even wise, to send a purely token force to the other side of the world - especially to a place where they had no vital interest of their own.
interesting note on the occupation government in Japan: memories of it would end up prompting the creation of the Dr. Seuss book "Horton Hears a Who"
This segment has a background echo like there's not any sound abatement in the set. Indy sounds much more mellow on the WWII set.
The korean war is the start and debut of the jet age
Mig vs saber as example in korean war
South Koreans: Great, Mcarthur is going to defend us
*Remembers how he screwed up in the Philippines*
South Koreans: Great, Mcarthur is going to defend us