Weil McLain Boiler in Mega Mansion Not Working “A Good Technician is Observant of Their Surrounding”

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  • @EverythingHVACR
    @EverythingHVACR Рік тому +8

    That's a hell of a boiler system and a great looking wall. His face when he walked in was priceless 😆 Nice Job Mikey Pipes.

  • @jrmcferren
    @jrmcferren Рік тому +28

    Could be a double pole switch, would break both circuits at the same time.

    • @daveg8918
      @daveg8918 Рік тому +2

      It’s a fat switch. I guarantee it’s a double pole switch.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 Рік тому +1

      yeah, it would be a 2 pole switch breaking both circuits at once. unless there's a contactor setup to do the switching, but that likely wouldn't pass code and still require a physically operated disconnect outside the room, which the switch suffices as. sparky code is pretty complex, especially with local codes added.

  • @plymouthsportsatellite3349
    @plymouthsportsatellite3349 Рік тому +4

    WOW That setup screams perfection!!!

  • @ATSNorthernMI
    @ATSNorthernMI Рік тому +12

    Those are standard QO style square d breakers. The ones with the test buttons are arc faults which at one time were only required on general use recepts and lighting. They went out of their way to make some people fill the panel with them which is not for their intended purpose. Their intended purpose is to monitor the circuit for faulty cords and lighting fixtures that some hack may have installed. Dedicated circuits, like boilers and other hard wired appliances don't need them and with inducer motors and compressors could trick the breaker into thinking there is a loose connection and will trip. We've seen this on fridge circuits maybe due to the fact the starting relay and capacitor may trick the breaker into thinking there is a loose connection being it clicks on and off. It doesn't happen all the time and is almost never repeatable. We had clients that would leave for a week and come back to a tripped breaker on the fridge and had ruined the fridge and of course all of the food inside. Needless to say they weren't happy but at one time it was code because the fridge plugged in and the inspector required us to install an arc fault on it. Square D made QO almost a hundred years ago in Lexington Kentucky and Detroit Michigan. Their panels and breakers of the 1960's and 1970's were some of the best equipment you could buy then and even now. The fun fact is that you can interchange them with older series into newer panels. The Quick Open technology they had then was the safest most reliable breaker you could buy. These breakers would open so fast, you'd be hard pressed to make an arc from shorting them out. I had GE breakers explode shooting sparks all over the place by accidental shorting wires out and had destroyed the end of my screw driver with them. GE made a lot of different breakers for many different markets but they mostly all used the same tripping mechs. Square D was bought out by Schneider and they went to crap soon after. Making breakers in China and mexico they cheapened up the internals and oftentimes would steal the UL listing from the older American made breaker to get it approved to be used in your home. Make no mistake, these are not QO breakers but a copy of what they once were. These breakers would fail all of the time causing callbacks and nuisance tripping not even close to their rated current. Their panel boards are just Homeline junk with a different buss installed. The old panels were deburred and smoothed out preventing nasty cuts and scrapes when installing them. The new junk now has jagged plastic wire gutters and sharp edges all over. I just installed a QO panel not to long ago and it was so whomped out and lop sided I was embarrassed at installing. There were spot welds that weren't fully welded and the door wouldn't even close right. Same with their Homeline series. Seeing the copper coated cheap chinese pot metal buss de laminating on a brand new panel is just terrible. I wouldn't install any of this junk and would find an old QO from the 60's and 70's fully loaded with old breakers before I install any of this crap now.

    • @walterbordett2023
      @walterbordett2023 Рік тому

      So which brand now has the best residential electrical panels and breakers available today?

  • @inothome
    @inothome Рік тому +3

    DPST switch, double pole switch.... easy. If anyone hooked that switch up the neutral and seeing the two boiler breakers next to each other indicates they are on different legs, that would mean that you would then have 240V between the two boilers and fry shit. AKA open neutral. Now, if they were both on the same leg, no 240V, no fried shit, but still never, ever switch a neutral off.

  • @kc0eks
    @kc0eks Рік тому +3

    Likely that outside red switch has contactors (sounded like a thump) which connects and disconnected both boiler circuits. Use these contractors in many large buildings so one switch turns off multiple circuits

  • @kcMan7938
    @kcMan7938 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful layout !

  • @mattl643
    @mattl643 Рік тому +1

    Hot damn, no words needed. Very impressive setup.

  • @terrybressler4654
    @terrybressler4654 Рік тому +5

    Double pole single throw would control the hot wire for both units

    • @terrybressler4654
      @terrybressler4654 Рік тому

      @Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air I'm an HVAC tech and I do enjoy your content. Thank you and keep up the good work.

  • @fidgetthedalmation7433
    @fidgetthedalmation7433 Рік тому +4

    What is the square footage of that house?!? I almost wish you went slower through all of the valves so that I could have seen all of the labels for all of the zones. That is quite a marvel of a manifold!

    • @fidgetthedalmation7433
      @fidgetthedalmation7433 Рік тому +1

      @@PipeDoctor Wow! With a house that size, one would have a lot of money, and you wouldn’t think any corners would have been cut. Yet some have. It looks good, but then you look closer and can see that some of those trades workers did not know what they were doing.
      It also pains me to see that underpowered central vacuum unit for that square footage.
      Central vacuums can be superior, especially when you have large areas to clean, but so many people are turned off by them due to improper installations or improper sizing.
      It goes with those improperly sized expansion tanks for the water heaters.

    • @fidgetthedalmation7433
      @fidgetthedalmation7433 Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctor I am!!! I repair them. My grandfather also used to install them when he was a contractor.
      You should have! I am biased, but I do think they are really great. It’s one of my favorite features in my house. I like that it’s powerful, quiet, I seldomly have to empty it, and there are no smells.
      I’ve used many different types of vacuums, but I haven’t liked anything as much as my central.
      You wouldn’t care about this, but that particular unit that they have, it only looks to have only one motor from the glimpses I got of the exhaust and electrical. Beam’s largest single motor unit is for a MAXIMUM of 12 000 square feet. It would most certainly feel pretty wimpy at the end of the hose and I would imagine that they do not use it because of that. So, they probably would never want one again, even though the actual reason it doesn’t work well is because it’s not sized correctly.
      I come across many people who stop using them due to poor experiences caused by the installation.
      As you know, it can suck to have some bad companies tarnish the reputation of the entire industry.
      That is why I love watching your videos. It makes me relieved to see that there are still good companies out there that have a passion for what they do, care about their customers, and take pride in their work. They are so much harder to find. :(

  • @realestateservicessaleshea99
    @realestateservicessaleshea99 Рік тому +2

    That switch more likely controls a relay.
    Thanks again for the videos!🥃🥃🍺🍺🍺😐👍🏻

  • @mos8541
    @mos8541 Рік тому +2

    i think...THATS WRONG?! im still apprentice i though the disconnect had to be readily accessible within sight, and its outside?

  • @benmartin1727
    @benmartin1727 Рік тому +2

    I would install a double throw switch on the hot leg of each circuit, or given the $$$ there, install relay switches so that the switch cuts power, and opens the relays cutting both circuits. Basically what i did in my barn, to have 1 switch for 4 light circuits.

  • @SaseboJoe
    @SaseboJoe Рік тому +2

    Did they put a 2-pole switch in the hallway and run both circuits into the one switch?

  • @valenzaplumbing
    @valenzaplumbing Рік тому

    As long as that home has pretty average water pressure (55psi or so), those ST12’s are spec’d perfectly for those tanks. I’m sure the guy who installed that art work in the boiler room knew how to size the thermal expansion tanks. Gorgeous install there.

  • @PaulDziomba
    @PaulDziomba Рік тому +3

    An impressive piece of copper. Is it possible that the switch in the hall simply feeds a safety relay which the whole room flows through? Is it also possible that the 2 boilers are on one circuit unit and all of the pumps are on the other circuit?

  • @undaya
    @undaya Рік тому +1

    Was manifold built in field or manufactured like that?

  • @SubStationSparky
    @SubStationSparky Рік тому +5

    Thats a standard QO breaker. The AFCIs are similar with a white reset button. Im thinking the E switch in the hallway is a Double Pole Single Throw DPST switch. basically 2 switches in one that can have 2 separate circuits on the line side and in turn sends power to each units E switch individually. thats why it will kill both units but the other one remained on with the hallway switch on but your unit you're working on was off because the circuit tripped.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 Рік тому

      yeah, just standard circuit breakers in there, thermal/magnetic trip type. no afci/gfci's in sight and they wouldn't be on dedicated heating system feeds anyway.

  • @doncaranci2547
    @doncaranci2547 Рік тому +4

    That manifold is amazing

  • @dylanmckevitt2003
    @dylanmckevitt2003 Рік тому +1

    Wow that sure is a Boiler System and Thanks For Watching My live the other Day. It made my Day because your one of my favorite HVAC guys that I watch on UA-cam and in a few years once I have money I might move out to Long Island and Work for you because just from watching your videos you seem like a fun boss but Serious and strict when it’s time to be and you kinda remind me of my uncle some because you both look similar

  • @BryceSchroeder
    @BryceSchroeder Рік тому +1

    I'm guessing double pole switch too but more importantly, man alive, what a manifold. (I just spent 6h removing a leaky section of pipe from my hot water system, and decided to make a manifold and run some PEX, now I have several shut-off valves if another leak turns up. And this being a 140 year old house there is always another leak.)

    • @PipeDoctor
      @PipeDoctor  Рік тому +1

      Always will find leaks in a 140 year old house. Good God that’s old.

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 Рік тому +1

    so, what tripped the breaker, very unlikely it just randomly tripped. although it's possible a big power surge could have caused it, depending on the loading of devices at the time.

  • @chuckquinn8026
    @chuckquinn8026 Рік тому +2

    Ok, I’m impressed 😳😳😳

  • @hughholt121
    @hughholt121 Рік тому +1

    Circuit 30 and 32 would give you 220 volts at the painted wall switch ....so he installed a 20 amp double pole switch that interrupts the power to both switches at the furnaces which are both 110volts. Neutrals are just made together .

  • @CHOCKO895
    @CHOCKO895 Рік тому +1

    If the switch was breaking neutral wouldn’t you still have power with the beeper tester

  • @Guillotines_For_Globalists
    @Guillotines_For_Globalists Рік тому +1

    Any idea what these homeowners do for work?

  • @geneticdisorder1900
    @geneticdisorder1900 Рік тому +2

    I almost had an Big O 🥰 when you opened the door !!

  • @billsmith5166
    @billsmith5166 Рік тому +2

    Did you hear any relays when you flipped the switch?

  • @compactc9
    @compactc9 Рік тому

    Also definitely looks like they have a suspended concrete slab for the floors, makes sense for radiant.

  • @tphvac87
    @tphvac87 Рік тому +2

    Double pole single throw switch

  • @adamcox1809
    @adamcox1809 Рік тому +1

    They could have a contactor that energizes the circuits for the boilers.
    Those AFCI breakers suck.

    • @shaunbava1801
      @shaunbava1801 Рік тому +1

      install them right and they aren't a problem and they just might prevent your house from burning down. I have like 25 in my house and nuisance trips are pretty rare.

  • @CoolerQ
    @CoolerQ Рік тому +2

    Either a double pole switch or both boilers are actually on one breaker...

  • @williamgildea8348
    @williamgildea8348 Рік тому +2

    So what caused it to trip?

  • @alfredkauth3128
    @alfredkauth3128 Рік тому +1

    Double pole single throw switch controls both sources of power to each boiler

  • @propertyinspectionpros
    @propertyinspectionpros Рік тому +1

    Is that piping pex or polybutylene?

  • @billgiulian8010
    @billgiulian8010 Рік тому +1

    At the emergency switch I believe they used a double pole switch 120 volts on one side termnals and 120 volts on the other If so in the panel should be a double pole breaker

  • @shaunbava1801
    @shaunbava1801 Рік тому +1

    How many square feet is this joint? 620k Btu's of boiler, 300 gal of indirect hot water what is this a hotel. A 50 gal indirect can do 225 gal first hour just how much hot water do you need? With a 50 gal indirect on a 200k btu boiler I can run 3 showers, 2 dishwashers, and a clothes washer simultaneously and not run out of water why would you need 2 150 gal?

  • @chrissmith513
    @chrissmith513 Рік тому

    Whoever did that was a magician ! 😇😇😇

  • @williamdwyer3302
    @williamdwyer3302 Рік тому +1

    impressive for residential.breakers shit the bed too some times.with the amount of pump and controls four breakers,two boilers,two control circuits would help with load and signifantly reduce the time to figure out which item groung or crapped out

    • @ATSNorthernMI
      @ATSNorthernMI Рік тому

      Modern QO junk can have erratic tripping points. Some may trip at 10 amps or 12 amps, some trip at 25 amps. It all depends on how much heat makes it to the bi-metallic strip inside the breaker. Also having a loose breaker will most certainly cause it to trip. I've seen loose screws on a breaker cause it to heat up prematurely and trip.

  • @wahbii
    @wahbii Рік тому +1

    5 200amp breaker panels. The house must be 20k SQ ft. Wow

  • @stephaniehigginbottom7789
    @stephaniehigginbottom7789 Рік тому

    The switch is a double pole switch breaking the hots of both circuits. its able to do this because those are single phase 120V system.

  • @joehomanick
    @joehomanick Рік тому +3

    What happened to the rest of the video 😢? I thought we were going to see this big &$$ house

    • @joehomanick
      @joehomanick Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctor I wanted to see where all those lines went to . Must have been a crap ton of rooms in that place 💯 💯

  • @Hvac-dude
    @Hvac-dude Рік тому +1

    I'm confused on why there's a oil burner shut off and there's no oil

  • @modestohodesto7140
    @modestohodesto7140 Рік тому

    Mike why don't you send the brothers to OIL burner repair class. I would think that would be a smart business move. There still has to be a majority of oil than gas homes in your service area. I think it's a no brainer way to increase your revenue. If Steve Lav can do it so can you and your guys. ???

  • @TheRAMBO9191
    @TheRAMBO9191 Рік тому +1

    goooooooood shhiiiiiiiittttt

  • @undaya
    @undaya Рік тому

    Relay somewhere? Switch supposed to break hot.

  • @compactc9
    @compactc9 Рік тому

    The switch in the hallway is probably a double pole.

  • @dunkdamonk
    @dunkdamonk Рік тому +1

    119 is largest tank before ASME specs come into play. Anything larger is like an ar-500 steel tank weighing over 600 pounds easy at 150 gal capacity empty. Usually need to be in a parapet 6"

    • @dunkdamonk
      @dunkdamonk Рік тому

      Mikey why don't you get a T-former? That's how they made that header. There's a mega press style t-drill and obv the standard one. Did they spray paint those ball valves? I've never seen all copper ball valves

    • @dunkdamonk
      @dunkdamonk Рік тому +1

      @@PipeDoctor ya but it's fuckin tits

    • @dunkdamonk
      @dunkdamonk Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctor I'm sure you could get one with a promo video. Feed the ppl

  • @xejordan7s
    @xejordan7s Рік тому +1

    well they're not sharing hots so that only leaves us with Neutral babyyyyyyyy. Get that moneyyy

  • @scottmaz4063
    @scottmaz4063 Рік тому +1

    Each boiler supposed to be on its own breaker

  • @undaya
    @undaya Рік тому

    Double pole switch?

  • @jamescote4057
    @jamescote4057 Рік тому +1

    If it's done right, IMO, it should be a 2 pole switch, if its done wrong, they probably switched the neutral 😅😅

    • @walterbordett2023
      @walterbordett2023 Рік тому +1

      You could tell which way it is, by resetting the CB and then using the noncontact tester on the hot wire feeding the boilers. If hot is switched, the black wire will be dead. If neutral is switched, the hot wire will be hot, but the boiler can't run, because there is no neutral path.

    • @jamescote4057
      @jamescote4057 Рік тому

      @Walter Bordett you went to my next step. I've seen a ton of hack work, and things don't shock me at all anymore, I for sure would hope for the pricetag attached to that system that they would wire it properly. The emergency switches at the boilers are used as a local disconnect means for the power, where the one in the hallway provides a means of shutting down both in the event of a true emergency

    • @jamescote4057
      @jamescote4057 Рік тому

      @Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air considering how much time and effort went into the beautiful looking system I certainly hope they didn't hack it at the end. I appreciate what you do for sure. Keep the awesome videos coming please🙂👍👍

  • @tannermartin9649
    @tannermartin9649 Рік тому

    Oh my Jesus. Weil McLain ultra's? I hate those god damned things. Clean pipe work, I'll say that. It would look a lot better with copper stubs through the wall. Why not injection mix it and up size the primary loop? Im not trying to shit on obvious craftsmanship. Its clear someone who knew what they were doing installed that. Thats pretty rare nowadays.

  • @shrededpudding5921
    @shrededpudding5921 Рік тому

    that switch may be hooked up to 120v contactors somewhere. or shits properly fucked

  • @compactc9
    @compactc9 Рік тому

    These guys really need a better central vac.

  • @abisaimedrano7
    @abisaimedrano7 Рік тому +1

    Mikey Piper 😂

  • @Kevin-wj4ed
    @Kevin-wj4ed Рік тому +1

    4 way switch

    • @Kevin-wj4ed
      @Kevin-wj4ed Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctor ment to say double throw switch

  • @dirty_park
    @dirty_park Рік тому +3

    How the hell would you see that message without removing the cover, haha.

    • @ATSNorthernMI
      @ATSNorthernMI Рік тому

      I can just imagine some hack just sticking a long screw driver into the front of that and try prying the board out.

  • @PlumberD
    @PlumberD Рік тому +5

    And yet the thermal expansion tanks are still installed improperly 😂

  • @kb2ear
    @kb2ear Рік тому +2

    since the 2 breakers are next to one another, if you broke neutral the systems would try to feed off one another (floating neutral bad) could cause both system to act weird or "fail spectacularly". The only way that would be legal would be to have the switch control 2 separate contactors. You can't run 2 circuits through a 2 pole switch legally as far as I can remember.

    • @natekolodziejski
      @natekolodziejski Рік тому

      Not to mention if those breakers are GFCI or AFCI/GFCI it would trip it instantly if it were breaking a shared neutral.

    • @ATSNorthernMI
      @ATSNorthernMI Рік тому

      Anytime you share a neutral you need to tie it or bond it at every box location together to prevent at all necessary a floating condition. I for one run a separate neutral to each 120v circuit if I was using a multi-wire circuit. Don't be cheap when you are charging the customer, spend the extra 10 dollars and run a neutral for every multi-wire circuit that is combined to make 2 120v circuits. In this scenario someone wanted to be smart and minimize the work they needed to do installing 2 switches and just ran both poles to one switch. It's not a bad idea but sharing neutrals can be.

    • @kb2ear
      @kb2ear Рік тому +1

      @@natekolodziejski I bet those are AFCI breakers, Mike did mention they are "smart breakers"

    • @dunkdamonk
      @dunkdamonk Рік тому +1

      This is the answer. The emergency shutdown is always better on a switch that interrupts gas valve. Even on multiple boilers, they make buttons or switches that can have literally 10 small contactors behind the switch in the J box, that all control each boiler, and it's 24v gas valve circuit.

    • @natekolodziejski
      @natekolodziejski Рік тому

      @@kb2ear I couldn't see whether they were AFCI or combo. When he said smart breakers I knew the AFCI part but with the water application I thought perhaps code may require GFCI and AFCI

  • @kevinpoore5626
    @kevinpoore5626 Рік тому +1

    Hey I'm lovely number one instead of the other lovely number two just a little toilet humor there

  • @larrykaufman1761
    @larrykaufman1761 Рік тому +2

    Could be a double pole switch.

  • @ItsTheCostanza
    @ItsTheCostanza Рік тому +3

    Give Mike G a video of his daily jobs for a day let’s hear his crazy conspiracies lol.

    • @ItsTheCostanza
      @ItsTheCostanza Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctorI’ve heard worse. How bad can it be?

  • @kat2641
    @kat2641 Рік тому +1

    Nope 😂 they make a 4 pole single throw switch . Commonly used to break a 220 single phase ❤ ( edited spell boo boo) An? Laughing you didn’t wanna get stuck in the elevator.???

    • @kat2641
      @kat2641 Рік тому

      @@PipeDoctor yep 👍 is uses four conductors to create two complete electrical circuits, one for each direction of feed . An your neutral. (commonly white) are tied together as well as your
      Auxiliary ground . But I learned long time ago Never ever trust wire colors !! I have seen green be hot an black be ground. An it’s a (shocking realization) !! Like you say “” if you’re not testing your guessing”” you know you should get a patent on that saying 🤣🤣

  • @everettstevenson2111
    @everettstevenson2111 Рік тому

    Hey Mickey, of Mickey Pipes Plumbing not easy being cheesy. I like your podcast/social media, looking thru some comments/reply. Apollo 13, flight control, do we have a go or no go, copy? Mickey are still on VOX or Baby VOX ? , copy. Hmm? "red box red", live and learn. Love you buddy, might sound a little queer again.

  • @shakes7333
    @shakes7333 Рік тому +1

    Think your actually in a spaceship.
    All that plumbing is for the population engines.
    Get Out Quick!!!!

  • @brian2359
    @brian2359 Рік тому +1

    In your sister! Lmfao

  • @MIKEBAGS100
    @MIKEBAGS100 Рік тому

    Getting little lazy with content pipes!!!!!

    • @MIKEBAGS100
      @MIKEBAGS100 Рік тому

      Videos a little short lately need to feed us. I only say this because love your content. Stay blessed bro.