Yes it looks identical, yes its the same exact name, the changes they made seem nice and should benefit the rider but is it enough to make you want to jump from the p[previous model to this one, also really weird they have old Princeton peak 4550 with white industry hubs, they are the starting price point spec for those wheels, I would figure this price point would come with top of the the line evos, and a dt 180 hub
I don't get why people need drastic changes from one gen to the next, change for changes sake does not make sense. Look at an iPhone from today vs 5 or 10 years ago and the changes are very significant.
What I find funny is those cars driving passed are saying look at that guy playing with his new bike,not knowing that the bike probably cost 2 or 3 times as much as their cars 😂
You’d be lucky for 30k, the car alone is probably that, and then you still have to add in the price for the certification needed to actually own a car. Tax aside, just owning A car would come to at least 70k here. A 16k bike is a drop in the bucket here lol
Hi GC performance Great video as always 👍 love the new dogma . The colour is killer ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ been a fan of the dogma since day one. Way out of my price range thou ☹️ 🚴♂️
This bike isn't for normal cyclist. This thing aimed for the pro that needs every single drop of advantage they could get from the bikes. And of course loaded wallet cyclist that wants experience what the pros are riding.
@@vodizzzle You’re confusing concepts. Where it’s made and the quality of the make and ride are two different things. There are crappy things made in Italy as well. I also hear Ferraris are a nightmare to own and things break often. The Dogma may be made in China, but it’s a dream to ride, feel, look at, and own.
@@Edmond347 I’m not confusing concepts. Ferraris are not made in China and just the thought is ridiculous. If a Chinese made Pinarello is a dream for you to own , good for you they surely ride amazing.
Could easily pack a motor and a huge battery in there and nobody would know. They will definitely launch another motorized model called Dogma FRD. (Dogma for rich dentist).
I'm not really impressed with the new dogma. Pinarello changed the carbon lay up, but weight reduction is minimum. Most of the weight saving is in the handlebar. Plus I don't like that the handlebar is now proprietary
The front end is just weird, considering that bayonet forks exist to make things narrower without a non-round steerer. And very odd to increase the fork rake, in 2024, when we want deeper aero wheels.
I use a size 52cm, but with and today's standard, I use an XS frame, with a 40cm seat post and salle height is 190cm from the ground.....and 180mm crankarms. Oh! And stem is 190mm long too......with 30cm handlebar. Sick ultra fast position though.
prototype in Italy Pinarello factory mass production Still made in China and Taiwan there is no such thing as an "authentic" frame anymore rather pay for an OEM frame than buy from a distributor that you are paying 3x or even 4x times higher and still produces from the same factory! loooool!
Definitely going to be my next bike build, but I’m going with the new SRAM Rec groupset and the Wake 65/60 EVO wheels. Also Ceramic OSPW and BB. It’s a very nice looking bike.
There not even that much mate. I bought a painted frame from Aliexpress for around £550 delivered. I haven't ridden it yet as I just finished the assembly of it last night but it looks great
@reinholdachleitner2069 but that can be argued about a luxury products can't it - Mercedes, BMW, Boss clothes, Prada clothes, Rolex watches, business class travel etc etc. If you see the value in the product/brand you will happily pay the price for it.....just because you don't happen to dig the Pinarello value proposition doesn't mean to say it's not real. You probably value some luxury objects / services I'm sure....they are probably ones that seem ludicrous to others. Each to their own. So please stop making judgements on how others choose to spend their money.
Have you owned one? I have owned the F10 and now the F. I would not swap it for 10 "good" bikes, whatever that means. This is a special bike. You can laugh all you want. I'm laughing when I ride it because I'm so happy.
They do, but the entire cycling industry is ripping people off, from socks to shoes to bibs and jerseys to frames. There is absolutely no legitimate reason to charge $400 for a pair of spandex bibs like Assos do. I don't care how much R&D goes into wicking sweat off my balls. It's absurd. They can do that because the target customer is the middle-aged well-off male with cash to burn. So they milk him every step of the way. I am the quintessential sucker, but I do refuse to pay the exorbitant prices for clothing and shop sales only or buy at a discount. But bikes are harder to get on sale so I have paid the MSRP for my bikes. It's worth it for me, but I do admit it's bullshit. For now, the cost-benefit ratio works for me. For now.
No normal sensible person buys these bikes @ £14k..,its better you custom build your own bike which i guarantee will be alot better & for a fraction of these obscene prices.
@@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887 Completely disagree. It’s all relative. You can say the same thing about Bugattis and Ferraris. If you can afford it, there is nothing insensible about it. Is paying $$ for a diamond or a painting sensible? It’s all relative and dependent on the person. Also, nonsense about building a cheaper custom bike. If you factor in top shelf components, it will be more expensive, not cheaper. Bespoke carbon fiber frame? WTF are you talking about?
There's no more thru axle thread look how aero it is!! Meanwhile the thru axle has a big handle on the other side so your wheels are easy to steal and much less aero 😂😂😂
Releases 2025 Dogma F: mentions they’ll continue the previous Gen Dogma F in rim brakes Back when they released previous Gen Dogma F: doesn’t mention there’s a rim brake version. At least they were quiet about it. I thought F12 was the last rim brake Dogma Pinarello made.
Bike design is stagnating again. After forcing disc brakes and integrated everything they seem to be running out of ideas, no wonder they are pushing for ebikes so hard now.
More-than-SWorks money for (IMO) one of the ugliest frames on the market. Also, made in Asia. It doesn't bother me, after all all the best bikes are made in Asia... but Pinarello draping Italian flags around this frame bugs me.
Imagine paying 15k for this gravel bike lol. I bet it rides like a noodle. I just bought a 2012 Trek Madone rim brake for $600 last month. Its 15lbs and thats with aluminum wheels. Ride is stiff and flys up the climbs.
Эта модель стала одноразовой. Не дай бог у тебя будут проблемы с дропаутами где устанавливаются колёса или ты слижешь резьбу то всё выкинь раму нафиг и покупай новую
Yes it looks identical, yes its the same exact name, the changes they made seem nice and should benefit the rider but is it enough to make you want to jump from the p[previous model to this one, also really weird they have old Princeton peak 4550 with white industry hubs, they are the starting price point spec for those wheels, I would figure this price point would come with top of the the line evos, and a dt 180 hub
What’s the weight of the frameset?
Stop talking cr@p
Ducati Panigale loot at same
How cool are you to plug other bike shops. You are a good man.
You forgot to mention Pinarello will still be making the older Dogma F in rim brakes for years to come.
Apple and Pinarello are Fraternal Twins. Their upgraded versions are the same as the non-upgraded.
LOL, and both are highly coveted in their respective markets - and that won’t change.
I don't get why people need drastic changes from one gen to the next, change for changes sake does not make sense. Look at an iPhone from today vs 5 or 10 years ago and the changes are very significant.
@@speedsociety9177 OK, but why charge a fortune for microscopic changes? That’s greed!
Porsche does that with 911 as well.
So does Spesh with their Tarmacs
@@savagepro9060it’s not greed. It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.
3:33 Sorry GC. It's Italian OWNED. But Chinese MADE!
At least they are painted in Italy in their “factory”😂
@@vodizzzle hahahaaaaa!
They’re owned by LVMH … meanwhile
That's the most beautiful bike I've ever seen. Thanks for the great, informative, no-nonsense video!
Now all you have to do is ride it and compare it with the sl8 😀
I’m actually howling 😂😂😂😂 because it looked like you stood that bike up in the middle of the street… “hit this bih if you wanna” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fuck this bike!!! Hit this shit hahahhaa
@@GCPerformance18 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What I find funny is those cars driving passed are saying look at that guy playing with his new bike,not knowing that the bike probably cost 2 or 3 times as much as their cars 😂
Not sure about that in the age when a common civic is like 30k out of the dealer 😂
You’d be lucky for 30k, the car alone is probably that, and then you still have to add in the price for the certification needed to actually own a car. Tax aside, just owning A car would come to at least 70k here.
A 16k bike is a drop in the bucket here lol
the cheapest car in my country costs 100k and you only own it for 10 years before you have to buy new car. Bicycle is cheap stuff
Car's prices are also inflated today. What once was 30k, now it's 50k
What’s funny about that? 😅
Made in China , which i'm fine with , it's where the carbon expertise is , but we have to be honest.
The new Dogma F and Dogma X are the only bikes actually made in Italy.
as always your on top of bike knowledge
the just did the same thing cervelo did with the S5 when the UCI changed up the rules. Just a revised dogman
Hi GC performance
Great video as always 👍 love the new dogma . The colour is killer ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ been a fan of the dogma since day one. Way out of my price range thou ☹️ 🚴♂️
Looks like the real weight is much heavier than their claimed weight
it's the paint job
I’m still riding my F8 and love it !!
I’m still on a f10 there’s no way I’m upgrading 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🚴👍
that colour is hot. I might get my $1200 Merida painted that colour.
Nothing that matters is changed, just littles tweaks that doesn’t matter for us normal cyclists…
This bike isn't for normal cyclist. This thing aimed for the pro that needs every single drop of advantage they could get from the bikes. And of course loaded wallet cyclist that wants experience what the pros are riding.
@@ardijanuar2036 agreed. That’s why I don’t care about this bike.
Colnago is the "Ferrari" of bicycles. Pinarello is a Dentist who drives a Maserati SUV.
You clearly never owned one.
Pinarello are literally made in China 🇨🇳 … can’t compare this to a Ferrari
@@vodizzzle You’re confusing concepts. Where it’s made and the quality of the make and ride are two different things. There are crappy things made in Italy as well. I also hear Ferraris are a nightmare to own and things break often. The Dogma may be made in China, but it’s a dream to ride, feel, look at, and own.
@@vodizzzletoday ain't the pre 2000's era anymore where everything made in chinese is cheap utter crap.
@@Edmond347 I’m not confusing concepts. Ferraris are not made in China and just the thought is ridiculous. If a Chinese made Pinarello is a dream for you to own , good for you they surely ride amazing.
Could easily pack a motor and a huge battery in there and nobody would know. They will definitely launch another motorized model called Dogma FRD. (Dogma for rich dentist).
Did they fix the M0ST stem that has been a four year issue in my Grevil that doesn't stay tight...
What is the street pricing for an used F12 Rim brake frame size 50 or 51.5? Seems like F12 is the last frame that can be built with mechanical group.
I'm not really impressed with the new dogma. Pinarello changed the carbon lay up, but weight reduction is minimum. Most of the weight saving is in the handlebar. Plus I don't like that the handlebar is now proprietary
New bike
Cortando o vento
Iguais as espadas ninjas.
Cada vez mais afiadas💡
6:47 wow nice shade from the sun
Really happy I got the last true rim brake superbike
Pinarello have confirmed they will still be making Rim brake model of the old Dogma F... tool.
@@ZwiftDude yes great I have one??
Tarquins and Ruperts only!!. Unless of course you genuinely race!.
Can you shave the top part of the steerer tube off so it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb?
Of course you can.
I wish they had Princeton WAKE 6560 evolution with the lightest hub setups instead of the PEAK with that price.
It looks like it merge in with the asphalt, very cool
0:01 A Floridian High Priest performing an exorcism on a PURSE-zest Pinarello!
The front end is just weird, considering that bayonet forks exist to make things narrower without a non-round steerer. And very odd to increase the fork rake, in 2024, when we want deeper aero wheels.
did you drive to aventura just to film this? bike science doesn't have it yet?
yea no one had it yet except for them
You”ll make a ton of money selling those
I use a size 52cm, but with and today's standard, I use an XS frame, with a 40cm seat post and salle height is 190cm from the ground.....and 180mm crankarms. Oh! And stem is 190mm long too......with 30cm handlebar. Sick ultra fast position though.
Hey GC. Do you know if it’s possible to use a Darimo cockpit with this bike since it uses a new oval steerer?
I am sure they will make one for it. But the old one will not
@@GCPerformance18 understandable. Looks like they would need to make a new compatible mold and base plate.
Isn't the M40x the same carbon lay up as the Canyon Aeroad CFR?
I do not know to be honest, I think this is new to the market
What is the price for a dura ace build?
Is this your size a 50cm cc?
...consume or retinue... The new F is a Fine evolution IMHO
If Pinarello was Specialized, this bike would be S-never-Works!
prototype in Italy Pinarello factory mass production Still made in China and Taiwan there is no such thing as an "authentic" frame anymore rather pay for an OEM frame than buy from a distributor that you are paying 3x or even 4x times higher and still produces from the same factory! loooool!
Definitely going to be my next bike build, but I’m going with the new SRAM Rec groupset and the Wake 65/60 EVO wheels. Also Ceramic OSPW and BB. It’s a very nice looking bike.
gonna be sexy
Pinnarello is the Ferrari of bikes in terms of cache and styling and desirability
Painted in Italy, made in China. Probably a $1000 frame, with a $10,000 paint job. 😅
ignorant comment
There not even that much mate.
I bought a painted frame from Aliexpress for around £550 delivered.
I haven't ridden it yet as I just finished the assembly of it last night but it looks great
Снова самый маленький размер эта какой 51.5?
Always known at the Dentists bike :-)
Does anyone know where this extremely expensive Dogma F frame is made?
It’s China 😂❤
I have the 2023Dogma F and I'm interested in the 2025 model. Not a bargun but when ever was the Pinarello brand considered a value bike.
15 000.Absolutely ridiculous pricing.🤔
The chinese factory that made it probably also laughs at the price.
Yep.. thats obviously USD$15000.. or a measly AUS$25000!!!! thats rediculous pricing...
To you maybe. To others not so. Each to their own.
@@CG-99 One is just paying for the name.
@reinholdachleitner2069 but that can be argued about a luxury products can't it - Mercedes, BMW, Boss clothes, Prada clothes, Rolex watches, business class travel etc etc. If you see the value in the product/brand you will happily pay the price for it.....just because you don't happen to dig the Pinarello value proposition doesn't mean to say it's not real. You probably value some luxury objects / services I'm sure....they are probably ones that seem ludicrous to others. Each to their own. So please stop making judgements on how others choose to spend their money.
0:01 this tremor is the curse of GCN presenters!
😂😂😂$16,500! No Thanks! I'm just gonna buy 4 good bikes for that RIDICULOUS price! 😂😂😂
Have you owned one? I have owned the F10 and now the F. I would not swap it for 10 "good" bikes, whatever that means. This is a special bike. You can laugh all you want. I'm laughing when I ride it because I'm so happy.
@@Edmond347 I always wonder does anyone watching these vids actually buy and ride them? Ride on!
They do, but the entire cycling industry is ripping people off, from socks to shoes to bibs and jerseys to frames. There is absolutely no legitimate reason to charge $400 for a pair of spandex bibs like Assos do. I don't care how much R&D goes into wicking sweat off my balls. It's absurd. They can do that because the target customer is the middle-aged well-off male with cash to burn. So they milk him every step of the way. I am the quintessential sucker, but I do refuse to pay the exorbitant prices for clothing and shop sales only or buy at a discount. But bikes are harder to get on sale so I have paid the MSRP for my bikes. It's worth it for me, but I do admit it's bullshit. For now, the cost-benefit ratio works for me. For now.
No normal sensible person buys these bikes @ £14k..,its better you custom build your own bike which i guarantee will be alot better & for a fraction of these obscene prices.
@@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887 Completely disagree. It’s all relative. You can say the same thing about Bugattis and Ferraris. If you can afford it, there is nothing insensible about it. Is paying $$ for a diamond or a painting sensible? It’s all relative and dependent on the person.
Also, nonsense about building a cheaper custom bike. If you factor in top shelf components, it will be more expensive, not cheaper. Bespoke carbon fiber frame? WTF are you talking about?
The BB looks likes it has a motor in it 😅 maybe that’s where the price comes from 😅😅 not a bike for me lol.. I’ll stick with my 2014 SSE.. Pete
No bike is for you LMAO
I am still blown away with the 13 pounds sl8 ñ. Hard to beat
It makes me wonder, how specialized achieved the stiffness with very skinny bottom bracket compared to Pinarello. 🤯
I dont know but it feels great, it has to be about the layup and also the tubing construction but honestly it reacts to power great
waiting for some team ineos guy to start yelling at you videoing the bike....
$16000 for a 6.8kg is hilarious
Same old same old, one for the all the gear no idea mob
There's no more thru axle thread look how aero it is!!
Meanwhile the thru axle has a big handle on the other side so your wheels are easy to steal and much less aero 😂😂😂
‘More’ and ‘less’ are comparative words. ‘Skinnier’ and ‘lighter’ are comparative words. You only need to use one, not both.
Please compare it with SL8. Thanks a lot!
Releases 2025 Dogma F: mentions they’ll continue the previous Gen Dogma F in rim brakes
Back when they released previous Gen Dogma F: doesn’t mention there’s a rim brake version. At least they were quiet about it.
I thought F12 was the last rim brake Dogma Pinarello made.
Same Dogma F, no real changes.
So light.......now, do what was done in the 90s, when the seat post wasn't 66cm long and your saddle isn't 170cm from the ground.
Poor frame. It looks to have partially melted during shipment 😔
409mm chain stay is a bit long and increased front fork rake
Very nice
Hmm in my opinion Pinarello X looks better then dogma F
Just no. Who the hell upgrades super bikes yearly? Bezos and his ilk?
Italian made ? are you sure more likely China made :)
Pinarello stated they are moving frame manufacturing back to Italy due to supply issues. It may be complete...
Stop spouting trash. I can categorically guarantee you beyond all doubt that the pinarello carbon frames are made in xiamen, china. Not Italy.
I’m reading what the bike says and what’s on there from there company.
These bottle cages are criminally hideous 😮
Bike design is stagnating again. After forcing disc brakes and integrated everything they seem to be running out of ideas, no wonder they are pushing for ebikes so hard now.
Blame the UCI
Uci should lift the ban of weird geometry. I want to see modern Lotus bike
Neat
The things Cicli pinarello and Ferrari have in common;
Italia?
Price?
Cheating?
Seems alright 😂
More-than-SWorks money for (IMO) one of the ugliest frames on the market. Also, made in Asia. It doesn't bother me, after all all the best bikes are made in Asia... but Pinarello draping Italian flags around this frame bugs me.
Very “winspacey”…
Imagine paying 15k for this gravel bike lol. I bet it rides like a noodle. I just bought a 2012 Trek Madone rim brake for $600 last month. Its 15lbs and thats with aluminum wheels. Ride is stiff and flys up the climbs.
cool story bro..
@@decoherence926 You seem like the type of person who thinks Pinarello bike are made in Italy.
Beautiful paint job but that bottom bracket area is just plain ugly. Would love to see a head to head comparison between this and a Tarmac SL8.
GC, do you think it's better than the Sworks?
That’s biased. I like the sworks
@@GCPerformance18 me too 🤩
ugliest seatpost in the world combined with 4th tier wheels and plastic bottle cages.
Yea I’m really bummed at the wheels for that price
Эта модель стала одноразовой. Не дай бог у тебя будут проблемы с дропаутами где устанавливаются колёса или ты слижешь резьбу то всё выкинь раму нафиг и покупай новую
Ugly frame
Pinnarello never intended this bike for you.
@@petersouthernboy6327 correct, it's intended for blind people.
@@decoherence926 rich blind people
Iths one bicycle for Donal trump
hahahah or every miami rider out there
Pinorelo made not beautiful frames. This is just my opinion 😊.
I think the most gorgeous frame on Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL7.
Shut up and take my money 💰