Please let me know any questions you have on this item or configurations.... They do make it for 10 speed and 11 speed bikes as well...... I was very happy with this cassette and the options they give to riders who are looking for a specific gearing. Shifting quality in the stand and adjustment was very very simple. I am looking forward to installing this on my dream build bike and revealing this project to you al very soon :)))
I don't trusts this type of cassettes, shifting goes amazing in the stand but as soon as you go out and put some force in the AL cogs between 8 and 11 (the big ones) everything goes south, sometimes the chain starts to jump between cogs (without shifting) and because the big cogs are made from aluminium alloy some teeths start to bend with enough time. Take in consideration that i say this from previous experiences (different manufacturers, same design construction and idea), but idk, maybe this company found the holy grail of aluminium cassettes
@@josecamilojimenez2784 Not aluminum..forged cro moly STEEL. .cassettes are never made with aluminum, would wear way too quickly...dura, ace steel with ti smaller cogs
We’ve reached a point where you can buy a new CPU for your computer for less than the cost of a few sprockets for your bike.. This sport is killing itself.
Even though the Presta cassette might distribute the load across the whole of the cassette, it still seems as if the brunt of would be taken at the contact points on the freehub body and so instead of gouging in certain rings you'll just have it on the ends instead. Let us know how that works as you use it for a while. I'm interested to see if that is any better or worse. Nice concept and it looks super light.
100% this, If the Contact point was across the entire range, even only for 3 or so of the Splines, I would believe it is better. Really now it looks like it has higher change of failure, and higher pressure points on the freehub.
Would be curious if anyone who specialized in materials engineering could comment on whether the power an average cyclist puts out in a sprint would be twisting/warping it at all as well.
By this design, what seems to me, is that instead of distributing force on the freehub body, this will be concentrating all the gears on just two small areas of freehub, although this is almost a piece of art
Not sure about the one from the video specifically, but on some of the similar designs those contact points are pretty wide, like 4-5mm wide, meaning that the localized pressure is much lower than that of a standard thickness steel cog.
@@Raytrac3d exactly the force in this cassette is always distributed to two relatively wide contact points, as compared to shimano where the force is always concentrated on the contact point of the cassette being used, which is pretty small, hence the bite marks.
Exactly how an engineer would do it. As long as the cassette is stiff enough, that should not be a problem. All tho I would increase the contact patch maybe a bit.
Just spent the day trying to dial my 12sp on the r9200. As commenters above have stated, I had the same experience with shifting. If you’re a recreational rider, sure it shifts fine. If you’re racing, not so much. It gets close to it, but not quite. Shifts better than an eThirteen I had once that was marketed as being GRX compatible but as others stated, it lags in either the top few or bottom few gears depending on which one is dialed in. On top of that, the bottom few cogs may be the culprit as in order to get them dialed, one of the teeth lacks a slant that HG cassettes have and it ever so slightly catches on the bigger cog causing a click repeating every turn. It never quite skips in the stand but there are too many wrecks in races due to gears skipping and I don’t plan on being the one in order to save 49 grams.
A horse in a three-piece suit is not just dapper but also a trailblazer in the world of animal attire. It's not every day you see such sartorial elegance on four hooves. This horse probably has a better wardrobe than most of us, and I must say, it's quite the trendsetter. I can't help but wonder if it's available in a pinstripe. After all, if you're going to dress a horse in a suit, why not go all the way with a touch of Wall Street flair?
I appreciate it :) yea that’s why I fell in love it looks really modern and also the integrated handlebar looks badass. Makes a classic Ti bike look really modern
@@GCPerformance18 yeah it's classicly modern. Never rode To but I've always loved the looks and I also like Lyndsey helix with the twisted down and top tubes! If only I the $$$... Thanks for hitting me back I appreciate it!!! Stay safe out there! ☘️🚴♂️
As per other comments below - a cassette with two points of engagement will not disperse force across the freehub - it will just concentrate the force at the two points of engagement. However, where a monobloc cassette has a potential advantage is that it is more torsionally stiff so there is less potential for gouging from individual cogs twisting under load and eating into the freehub. That problem is worse with cheaper cassettes which tend to be less accurately machined and can result in individual cogs both twisting and moving back and forth on and off load on the freehub.
literal;ly rode it today and had one of my strongest rides out there and rode perfect and quiet 28 miles average 191watts normalized power 209 and max was 1000
I’ve had a Prestacycle cassette on my Winspace SLC 2.0 for 2 years now. It shifts and performs really well. The one negative have is that it tends to be noisy, but I’ve never had another cassette on the bike to compare to. I had a SRAM Red 22 mechanical groupset using the SRAM Red 11 speed chain. Other than that it’s been good.
Bought the 12s version. Doesn't shift well at all. If I get it close to correct on the downshift its really poor on the upshift - and vice versa. New chain, straight RD hangar. Bummed. No response from Presta either.
Update to this comment: Presta responded and suggested adjusting the B-gap. I didn’t think this was necessary as I was just replacing an 11-34 DA with an 11-34 Presta. I moved it closer than the shimano. Very close 3-4mm away from the 34t cog. Shifts very well now. 95% as fast as DA. Once in a great while its slightly slower shifting in one or two cogs than DA but other than that all good. Cassette is a beautiful piece of machinery.
Just bought 11s 105 r7000 12-25 cassette 🤙 and I will replace 11-30 11s. Older r7000 11s has more option than stupid 12s with ONLY 2 OPTIONS 😂😂😂 I use 105 cassette with full Ultegra r8000 (chain as well) and works smooth
@@bonbonflippers4298 yes I will be in heaven this road season 😁 I think to leave from my old cassette (only 3000km done) 3 biggest rings 24t,27t,30t and add rest from new one 12-25 cassette. This will give me excellent steps between gears and three big ones for some occasional climb (instead of 21t,23t,25t)
It has more contact area for the entire cassette than an individual cog of the Shimano cassette. Note that on the Shimano cassette the load does not distribute to other cogs; so the contact stress of the Shimano cassette ends up being greater; this results in the small gouges in the cassette driver when using the Shimano cassette.
This was my experience with the SRoad cassette. It was just slightly worse at first, but became quite unusable after a couple thousand miles. It was pretty much unusable from the start when paired with a shadow derailleur.
this is all bike industry hype. 360 or 240 dollars are not affordable at all. 50 dollars is affordable. These cassettes are all made in the same factory, there is no difference. this is not making anyone faster. totally for people who have a lot of money to waste. this is why the bike industry is falling apart.
I agree and disagree. No one needs a Dura Ace cassette. Ultegra will do just fine. Now at least here in Miami $50 is lunch for 2 people at any if not most restaurants. higher-end products that are for those willing to spend the money should exist for that added bling or just small weight savings. If you're concerned about money I know guys on 105 from 2012 kicking people's ass on 15k bikes. This complaining is getting cringy it's like every conversation is about the same thing.
@@Thighwatts Claris, Sora and Tiagra will do just fine (20,25 and 30$ cassettes). For some even Turney will be enough. I'm talking about Shimano groupsets that you can buy for around 150-200$ whole, sometimes even used with a bike. And for non US / UK countries that is still a lot of money.
Have two of them , was the only solution to a worn freehub body . Once freehub body is worn on one cog they are by default out of mesh with the cogs one speed up or down . Fantastically light and amazing manufacturing. There was only one issue , they are unfortunately very loud on the bike , not sure if it is because it’s a cone and resembles a speaker ? Not sure but they are noticeably much louder than a DA , so if peaceful bike rides are your aim , these might not be for you . If you don’t care about sound , these are tight,solid, and fast , might even give better power transfer as the freehub body is not so torqued out on force offset from center ?
They also make Camapgnolo compatible but the 3 last rings have a different gearing than campagnolo in the 27 24 23 instead of 27 25 23 range..probably machining constraints but make for a weird shift up/down. (same problem with Recon- even lighter)
Something like this would be nice for a kids MTB bike too. But I don't know about compatibility, if I remember it right there is different freehub width road vs regular/mtb freehub.
Those gold P Zeros look 🔥 on your rig. Funny thing is, on Pirelli’s own marketing materials, they don’t actually look that gold. Very nice on the video though.
Nice Video, the fact about the better options for the gear ratio and the weight saving is true, even a dura ace cassette seems heavy. Tried the same one from E Dubbied but in the end it is everytime the Recon cassette, just other name depends on the country you buy it. My expierence was that the shifting against dura ace RD and Cassette is noticable much worse. In the bike stand was it fine like in your video but outside on the road the shifting not perfect in comparision to Shimano. In end the 60 gramms over the Dura Ace was not worth it and tried to set it better up but no chance. Maybe i was just unlucky or not talented enought dont know. Would like to hear the feedback for riding the cassette outdoor. In the end i stick with drivetrain components from Shimano, for me it is the best and a few gramms less are not worth it giving up shifting quality.
i chewed up 25k out of my casette and chain, then i got a new chain and 11 to 15 chain was skipping, i ended up getting a new cassette too, and only used waxing with paraffin. now new chain and cassette also running on the same formula, im trying to get some teflon powder but its hard in cuba
you don't need teflon powder, the difference is marginal. What you should do is buy three chains, degrease and wax them. Then rotate the chains every 250-400 km, depending on the weather and use. Rewax all three chains when thee third one starts squeaking. You will see that both your chain and cassette will last longer.
@@eagerbob i wish i could afford 3 chains man, lol, i wish, al i can do its rewax in the short term and rewax the day before a long ride, get home and rewax again
Off topic because you mentioned what chain lube your using on this bike The SILCA synergectic lube is by far the best bike lube I’ve ever used , why ALOT of bike shops don’t sell it is beyond me
@@GCPerformance18 I started using it recently and it has worked really nicely...They recommend doing the coating and drying process a few times before riding to get the most wax coverage possible but I didn't notice that much of a difference.
A con for me is that I can't just replace a single cog when it wears out. I wear out my 11,12 on my 11speed DA quicker than any of the rest, I can replace each cog for about 20$ each and extend the life of the whole cassette. I can't do that with his mono bloc cassette.
oh my, and while you are on a 12 gears 11-28, here I am on a 12 gears 10-51T of my Canyon Pathlite 6 (2022 model) and the Roadlite 6 (2023). The Pathlite 6 and Roadlite 6 are both 1X, the main difference is that the Pathlite 6 has a 36T chainring and the Roadlite is 46T chainring. Anyways, here where I live is so hilly, I need those easy gears.
Would have been nice to see how well it shifts ALL THE WAY DOWN to the smallest cogs - you stopped shifting down toe the smaller gears when it "seemed" to mis-shift, that is, it seemed to NOT want to shift to the next smaller cog easily.
This only seems to have 2 contact discs between the cassette & free hub. Also there seem to be half the usual groove ingagers on each disc, so would presume the ware is going to be quite high at the contact points
no because theya re at the extreme ends of the cassette and the cassette body itself provides a lot of structurem you are not riding in those two gears alot
Hopefully you'll do another vid after a few 1000kms, but I think those 2 contact points for every gear you ride in MUST have a lot of ware. Will be happy to be proven wrong though 😁
It's funny that most drive train upgrades compared to Shimano/SRAM original parts are in fact counter porductive. You get your OSPW, and you hope: ok, it is a good product as long as it shifts close to the original pulleys. Then you get get this CNCed cassette for just 30g less but guaranteed worse shifting experience.
I have been running my ospw on all my bikes for 7 years now from ceramicspeed kogel and nova...... I have rode 10 speed 1 peice cassettes from sram in the past, I work on these products all the time
If you play around with the Bike gear ratio calculator, Sram RED XG-1290 10-28T or Sram Force XG-1270 10-28T cover in one cassette both cogs (17T and 18T) from your two cassettes.
Never had an issue changing cassettes with the bite marks on the freehub. They all seem to get them but it's never been a hinderance in any way. ymmv of course.
The aluminium marks work harden and they can only dent so much. That cassette he's showcasing will dent the freehub more severely only having 2 cogs touching (pounds per square inch)
To get an idea of what grams are/and how much grams feels like, 1 litre of water is 1 kilogram. Water bottles are roughly 500ml so 500grams (plus the weight of plastic bottle). Half a water bottle 250 grams ect ect.
There is not much contact area between the free wheel and cassette on the one piece cassette. I suspect it will gouge the aluminium type free wheel much quicker than the standard shimano cassette would. Nice and light though.
YOu so 10years ago bro!! Same as Edco which has been has out for over 10 years with 11 speed & lastest 12 speed & is much cheaper than this brand and is the original MonoBlock cassette lighter & CrMo steel
I doesn't have the same teeth profile and ramps as the Shimano or sram cassetes to aid shifting, the teeth are very straight, I bet it doesn't shift that great.
I second this! I’ve been wanting 11/38 or 11/40 for 12 speed grx. You can hack 2x11 Grx by putting an 11/40 on it but no one makes this size cassette in 12 speed.
So glad I run SRAM AXS now with options like 11-26 & 11-28. I would hate having to run an 11-30 just because that's all they make. Definitely never going back to Shimano.
I'm digging this... it's time to rebuild one of bikes . It's has over 10k mi. I just got my new one last week. I love these frames I own 3, for all my different situations. Your going to sell me wheels from joe china cycling. I have 2 large posiden x . New one is the ambition already slammed the stem swapped saddle and have cool pedals on it. I am loving a size medium. I think the 170 cranks are cool I can haul ass around corners as opposed to 175. Those you know if ya know. Great vid bro. I will be in touch in couple mo for wheels.
18T has been the workhorse gear on my blocks back since 8 speed gears were the hot new thing, to the extent that I used to run 13-21 and 12-19 cassettes exclusively in my racing days. Then with 9 speed 12-21 and 10 speed 12-23. Can't get my head round why Shimano thinks they can get away with having cassettes that don't have them. Maybe it's just to sell more cassettes. Still don't understand why normal dude riders think they need an 11T.
Great video! besides your introduction with the Presta Cycles product to us interessting experiences and insights from you as an experienced mechanic/salesman. The only critisism I have is your comparison @19:19 with a max 28T cassette too a 34T? Of course it's lighter even if it were Ultegra 😁
I had used one on 11 speed, exact same company and design with durace derailleur and found it to be first and foremost very loud on shifting and loud in general because the whole thing is one piece and vibration from chain resonates throughout. Also there are no rubber bands in between cogs to improve acoustic performance of the chain too. It really got on my nerves after a week of riding even waxed chain wont help. Its like a tractor/helicopter sound continuously 😂
They are still sold as E. Dubied&Co. Shifting isnt horrbile, but not great. Using one in 11/34 at the moment. Im probably switching back to a standart shimano when this one is worn out.
yea I just got done making the video tonight I have about 400 miles on them I love the wider internal rim channel they are a nice option, and very comfortable
@@GCPerformance18 awesome!! You’re absolutely right, given the internal and external width of the wheels and price. They seem to be a no-brainer. Oh, and weight is awesome. Thank you for doing a brief review on them! Look forward to seeing the video.
any visibly noticeable difference between cog shift ramp design/milling when comparing to Dura Ace cassettes or more specifically, if you have one of their 11 speed 11-40 cassettes; do cog shift ramps appear equal to XT and/or XTR cassette shift ramp designs?
The weight limit on the cassette kinda scares me off. I was actually looking at the presta a few weeks ago. Hopefully it holds up for you seeing how we are the same weight
So if you're riding the same gears all the time, especially the low ones, you should LOVE the Shimano cassette, as it allows you to change those sprockets separately - a huge cash savig
@@GCPerformance18 but I KNOW it works like that and you work at a bike shop. Here is a sample part numbers for Shimano Dura-Ace 12s sprocket:Y0MV11000. Moreover, if you dislike the cassette eating into the hub when each sprocket contacts it separately, you will absolutely hate the damage caused by a cassette like this as it only has 2 contact points for all of the sprockets. This video is both misinformed and misinformative.
thanks so much yes we are in boca raton florida near miami, and our store is one of the smaller stores you should see the ones in miami area decked out
Please let me know any questions you have on this item or configurations.... They do make it for 10 speed and 11 speed bikes as well...... I was very happy with this cassette and the options they give to riders who are looking for a specific gearing. Shifting quality in the stand and adjustment was very very simple. I am looking forward to installing this on my dream build bike and revealing this project to you al very soon :)))
Since you asked....... and you said don't ask.... why the horse.. with suits especially LOL!
I don't trusts this type of cassettes, shifting goes amazing in the stand but as soon as you go out and put some force in the AL cogs between 8 and 11 (the big ones) everything goes south, sometimes the chain starts to jump between cogs (without shifting) and because the big cogs are made from aluminium alloy some teeths start to bend with enough time. Take in consideration that i say this from previous experiences (different manufacturers, same design construction and idea), but idk, maybe this company found the holy grail of aluminium cassettes
@@josecamilojimenez2784 Not aluminum..forged cro moly STEEL. .cassettes are never made with aluminum, would wear way too quickly...dura, ace steel with ti smaller cogs
Have you used it? These shadow derailleurs often only work flawlessly with HG cassettes... Ask me how I know... 🤦🏽
Why is pornhub on your search bar???😅
We’ve reached a point where you can buy a new CPU for your computer for less than the cost of a few sprockets for your bike.. This sport is killing itself.
But would new CPU help you climb alpe d'huez 0.5 seconds faster? :)
Nobody has to buy all the ultra expensive bling crap for bicycles. Its choice.
@@vitskr1 Ride on! Zwift maybe 🤪
We've reached the point where you can buy a motorcycle for the price of a gaming pc. This hobby is killing itself
@@bradsanders6954 Shhh, don't tell everyone the secret. What will people whinge about.
I think it looks great, i bet it ride good too.
I am talking about horse
I have the china version of this cassette about 65 US.
YES its same weight.
Con: shifting.
Where did you find it? Whats wrong with the shifting?
ua-cam.com/video/6dpPJS-TGwk/v-deo.htmlsi=KHQq5nCBvdj4-rHW
Even though the Presta cassette might distribute the load across the whole of the cassette, it still seems as if the brunt of would be taken at the contact points on the freehub body and so instead of gouging in certain rings you'll just have it on the ends instead. Let us know how that works as you use it for a while. I'm interested to see if that is any better or worse. Nice concept and it looks super light.
100% this, If the Contact point was across the entire range, even only for 3 or so of the Splines, I would believe it is better. Really now it looks like it has higher change of failure, and higher pressure points on the freehub.
Would be curious if anyone who specialized in materials engineering could comment on whether the power an average cyclist puts out in a sprint would be twisting/warping it at all as well.
By this design, what seems to me, is that instead of distributing force on the freehub body, this will be concentrating all the gears on just two small areas of freehub, although this is almost a piece of art
Exactly , looks like it will just cut thru the splines!
100% same issue on different point of the free hub.... 👍
Not sure about the one from the video specifically, but on some of the similar designs those contact points are pretty wide, like 4-5mm wide, meaning that the localized pressure is much lower than that of a standard thickness steel cog.
@@Raytrac3d exactly the force in this cassette is always distributed to two relatively wide contact points, as compared to shimano where the force is always concentrated on the contact point of the cassette being used, which is pretty small, hence the bite marks.
Exactly how an engineer would do it.
As long as the cassette is stiff enough, that should not be a problem.
All tho I would increase the contact patch maybe a bit.
Just spent the day trying to dial my 12sp on the r9200. As commenters above have stated, I had the same experience with shifting. If you’re a recreational rider, sure it shifts fine. If you’re racing, not so much. It gets close to it, but not quite. Shifts better than an eThirteen I had once that was marketed as being GRX compatible but as others stated, it lags in either the top few or bottom few gears depending on which one is dialed in. On top of that, the bottom few cogs may be the culprit as in order to get them dialed, one of the teeth lacks a slant that HG cassettes have and it ever so slightly catches on the bigger cog causing a click repeating every turn. It never quite skips in the stand but there are too many wrecks in races due to gears skipping and I don’t plan on being the one in order to save 49 grams.
Wait are you saying this is good or not good? Are you talking negatively about this cassette or the regular 9200 Shimano cassette?
what are your thoughts on a horse wearing a suit?
A horse in a three-piece suit is not just dapper but also a trailblazer in the world of animal attire. It's not every day you see such sartorial elegance on four hooves. This horse probably has a better wardrobe than most of us, and I must say, it's quite the trendsetter. I can't help but wonder if it's available in a pinstripe. After all, if you're going to dress a horse in a suit, why not go all the way with a touch of Wall Street flair?
LOVE the Ti!!! Like the fact it has the dropped seat stays, don't really see it on Ti bikes that often... Looks great! Love the channel!
I appreciate it :) yea that’s why I fell in love it looks really modern and also the integrated handlebar looks badass. Makes a classic Ti bike look really modern
@@GCPerformance18 yeah it's classicly modern. Never rode To but I've always loved the looks and I also like Lyndsey helix with the twisted down and top tubes! If only I the $$$... Thanks for hitting me back I appreciate it!!! Stay safe out there! ☘️🚴♂️
As per other comments below - a cassette with two points of engagement will not disperse force across the freehub - it will just concentrate the force at the two points of engagement. However, where a monobloc cassette has a potential advantage is that it is more torsionally stiff so there is less potential for gouging from individual cogs twisting under load and eating into the freehub. That problem is worse with cheaper cassettes which tend to be less accurately machined and can result in individual cogs both twisting and moving back and forth on and off load on the freehub.
literal;ly rode it today and had one of my strongest rides out there and rode perfect and quiet 28 miles average 191watts normalized power 209 and max was 1000
whats up with that horse with suit?😅
I TOLD YOU NOT TO ASK!!!!!
@@GCPerformance18 🤪😂
Love the Frankenstein bike,it's also nice to see so many supposed non compatible things all working!😎
hahaha I love it too, and it all works perfectly
I’ve had a Prestacycle cassette on my Winspace SLC 2.0 for 2 years now. It shifts and performs really well. The one negative have is that it tends to be noisy, but I’ve never had another cassette on the bike to compare to. I had a SRAM Red 22 mechanical groupset using the SRAM Red 11 speed chain.
Other than that it’s been good.
Thanks for this... glad I'm not the only one who experienced this. I too agree it's a tad noisy...
You have no alternate experience, but “it shifts and performs really well”????? What!
Bought the 12s version. Doesn't shift well at all. If I get it close to correct on the downshift its really poor on the upshift - and vice versa. New chain, straight RD hangar. Bummed. No response from Presta either.
Update to this comment: Presta responded and suggested adjusting the B-gap. I didn’t think this was necessary as I was just replacing an 11-34 DA with an 11-34 Presta. I moved it closer than the shimano. Very close 3-4mm away from the 34t cog. Shifts very well now. 95% as fast as DA. Once in a great while its slightly slower shifting in one or two cogs than DA but other than that all good. Cassette is a beautiful piece of machinery.
You live in Florida! Man up Florida man and ride a straight block on 1X
Elastomer rings are a must with 1-piece cassettes. SRAM stealth rings should be a good fit.
Just bought 11s 105 r7000 12-25 cassette 🤙 and I will replace 11-30 11s. Older r7000 11s has more option than stupid 12s with ONLY 2 OPTIONS 😂😂😂 I use 105 cassette with full Ultegra r8000 (chain as well) and works smooth
I know! I've been looking for an 11-28 cassette 12speed that could have the 16 and/or 18t cog. That 18t is so important between 17 and 19t.
@@bonbonflippers4298 yes I will be in heaven this road season 😁 I think to leave from my old cassette (only 3000km done) 3 biggest rings 24t,27t,30t and add rest from new one 12-25 cassette. This will give me excellent steps between gears and three big ones for some occasional climb (instead of 21t,23t,25t)
@@pawelodz8050 dang your area must be flat
Great video !!! I never knew this even existed. What type of disk breaks do you have?
Those are the carbon ti rotors
Dont you think it only making contact with such a small area of the freehub might increase the change of the cassette biting into the freehub?
It has more contact area for the entire cassette than an individual cog of the Shimano cassette.
Note that on the Shimano cassette the load does not distribute to other cogs; so the contact stress of the Shimano cassette ends up being greater; this results in the small gouges in the cassette driver when using the Shimano cassette.
Beem using a 11 spd cassette from Prestacycle for a few years now. Very nice.
very nice
Put an 11spd 11-42 on my Lauf a couple months ago... rides and looks great, and got it for only $160 from Universal Cycles.
I tried one of those and the shifting Performance was quite bad on an otherweise Ultegra setup. Shimano and SRAM casettes were much better
That's exactly what I thought. But this brand is making a lot of noise on UA-cam and IG. So I'm not surprised seeing this also here
I heard shadow derailleurs only work properly with HG cassettes.
This was my experience with the SRoad cassette. It was just slightly worse at first, but became quite unusable after a couple thousand miles. It was pretty much unusable from the start when paired with a shadow derailleur.
Well then you also need the sram freehub. And thats a invest that wont happen on my wheels
this is all bike industry hype. 360 or 240 dollars are not affordable at all. 50 dollars is affordable. These cassettes are all made in the same factory, there is no difference. this is not making anyone faster. totally for people who have a lot of money to waste. this is why the bike industry is falling apart.
I agree and disagree. No one needs a Dura Ace cassette. Ultegra will do just fine. Now at least here in Miami $50 is lunch for 2 people at any if not most restaurants. higher-end products that are for those willing to spend the money should exist for that added bling or just small weight savings. If you're concerned about money I know guys on 105 from 2012 kicking people's ass on 15k bikes. This complaining is getting cringy it's like every conversation is about the same thing.
How about you let people enjoy cool tech
@@Thighwatts Claris, Sora and Tiagra will do just fine (20,25 and 30$ cassettes). For some even Turney will be enough. I'm talking about Shimano groupsets that you can buy for around 150-200$ whole, sometimes even used with a bike. And for non US / UK countries that is still a lot of money.
The industry has been infiltrated by middleclass snobs
the whole point is its not "affordable"
Have two of them , was the only solution to a worn freehub body . Once freehub body is worn on one cog they are by default out of mesh with the cogs one speed up or down . Fantastically light and amazing manufacturing. There was only one issue , they are unfortunately very loud on the bike , not sure if it is because it’s a cone and resembles a speaker ? Not sure but they are noticeably much louder than a DA , so if peaceful bike rides are your aim , these might not be for you . If you don’t care about sound , these are tight,solid, and fast , might even give better power transfer as the freehub body is not so torqued out on force offset from center ?
They also make Camapgnolo compatible but the 3 last rings have a different gearing than campagnolo in the 27 24 23 instead of 27 25 23 range..probably machining constraints but make for a weird shift up/down. (same problem with Recon- even lighter)
Something like this would be nice for a kids MTB bike too. But I don't know about compatibility, if I remember it right there is different freehub width road vs regular/mtb freehub.
Those gold P Zeros look 🔥 on your rig. Funny thing is, on Pirelli’s own marketing materials, they don’t actually look that gold. Very nice on the video though.
Thanks so much, but those are the turbo cotton by specialized.
@@GCPerformance18 ha! I suppose that would explain it. 🙈
Nice Video, the fact about the better options for the gear ratio and the weight saving is true, even a dura ace cassette seems heavy. Tried the same one from E Dubbied but in the end it is everytime the Recon cassette, just other name depends on the country you buy it. My expierence was that the shifting against dura ace RD and Cassette is noticable much worse. In the bike stand was it fine like in your video but outside on the road the shifting not perfect in comparision to Shimano. In end the 60 gramms over the Dura Ace was not worth it and tried to set it better up but no chance. Maybe i was just unlucky or not talented enought dont know. Would like to hear the feedback for riding the cassette outdoor.
In the end i stick with drivetrain components from Shimano, for me it is the best and a few gramms less are not worth it giving up shifting quality.
With that minimal interface to the freehub, you could really lighten some more by removing material from or redesigning the freehub body
I tried the ones from RECON a few years ago, terrible shifting unfortunately. Especially the 11T. Never worked well.
i chewed up 25k out of my casette and chain, then i got a new chain and 11 to 15 chain was skipping, i ended up getting a new cassette too, and only used waxing with paraffin. now new chain and cassette also running on the same formula, im trying to get some teflon powder but its hard in cuba
you don't need teflon powder, the difference is marginal. What you should do is buy three chains, degrease and wax them. Then rotate the chains every 250-400 km, depending on the weather and use. Rewax all three chains when thee third one starts squeaking. You will see that both your chain and cassette will last longer.
@@eagerbob i wish i could afford 3 chains man, lol, i wish, al i can do its rewax in the short term and rewax the day before a long ride, get home and rewax again
That’s what i’ve always done rotate the chains at least three…KMC good value with zero issues and cheap off the bay ☺️
@@raulfernandezperez73What speed are you on 9…10…11 ? bottom of the range kmc are affordable 👍🏻
@@pedallinraw 11 speed cassette.
Off topic because you mentioned what chain lube your using on this bike The SILCA synergectic lube is by far the best bike lube I’ve ever used , why ALOT of bike shops don’t sell it is beyond me
Yea it is a game changer we just brought it in recently and that’s all we use
@@GCPerformance18 I started using it recently and it has worked really nicely...They recommend doing the coating and drying process a few times before riding to get the most wax coverage possible but I didn't notice that much of a difference.
That's an awesome cassette. I have no bike for it, but it would look nice on a desk.
For some reason I thought Dura-Ace cassettes were lighter... that is a significant difference... just not sure I want to risk noise/chunkier shifting.
yea I thought so too but, also this duraace is 1130 and the cassette I showed off was 1128
A con for me is that I can't just replace a single cog when it wears out. I wear out my 11,12 on my 11speed DA quicker than any of the rest, I can replace each cog for about 20$ each and extend the life of the whole cassette. I can't do that with his mono bloc cassette.
yea I mean that is a downside for sure but alot of people do not have that problem lol
oh my, and while you are on a 12 gears 11-28, here I am on a 12 gears 10-51T of my Canyon Pathlite 6 (2022 model) and the Roadlite 6 (2023). The Pathlite 6 and Roadlite 6 are both 1X, the main difference is that the Pathlite 6 has a 36T chainring and the Roadlite is 46T chainring. Anyways, here where I live is so hilly, I need those easy gears.
What is your opinion on waxing your chain? Oz Cycle recently uploaded an interesting video on it.
I think it is nice if you are okay with the maintaince, and it is noisy, I did mine and it was super loud
Would have been nice to see how well it shifts ALL THE WAY DOWN to the smallest cogs - you stopped shifting down toe the smaller gears when it "seemed" to mis-shift, that is, it seemed to NOT want to shift to the next smaller cog easily.
I have installed them like 5-6 on different bikes. They work great mine has all the range of motion going up and down
If I ran a 1x 52T chain ring, I'd also have a boss horse as my desktop background haha
hahahahha, I like your name
Florida I always had a 53 with a 11/23.
always lol
Love the frankenstein builds, wish we saw more of them out there!
it def gets some looks out there for sure
@@GCPerformance18 it would be cool if there was more of an ecosystem for modularity in component brands
In the Netherlands we want a flatland cassette. 11-23 and chainrings with 42/52.
thats what I like
This only seems to have 2 contact discs between the cassette & free hub. Also there seem to be half the usual groove ingagers on each disc, so would presume the ware is going to be quite high at the contact points
no because theya re at the extreme ends of the cassette and the cassette body itself provides a lot of structurem you are not riding in those two gears alot
Hopefully you'll do another vid after a few 1000kms, but I think those 2 contact points for every gear you ride in MUST have a lot of ware. Will be happy to be proven wrong though 😁
Damn Grant! I can't hear over the sound of your awesomeness! I muted the volume and I can still hear you! LOL
It's funny that most drive train upgrades compared to Shimano/SRAM original parts are in fact counter porductive. You get your OSPW, and you hope: ok, it is a good product as long as it shifts close to the original pulleys. Then you get get this CNCed cassette for just 30g less but guaranteed worse shifting experience.
I have been running my ospw on all my bikes for 7 years now from ceramicspeed kogel and nova...... I have rode 10 speed 1 peice cassettes from sram in the past, I work on these products all the time
If you play around with the Bike gear ratio calculator, Sram RED XG-1290 10-28T or Sram Force XG-1270 10-28T cover in one cassette both cogs (17T and 18T) from your two cassettes.
Never had an issue changing cassettes with the bite marks on the freehub. They all seem to get them but it's never been a hinderance in any way. ymmv of course.
The aluminium marks work harden and they can only dent so much. That cassette he's showcasing will dent the freehub more severely only having 2 cogs touching (pounds per square inch)
To get an idea of what grams are/and how much grams feels like, 1 litre of water is 1 kilogram. Water bottles are roughly 500ml so 500grams (plus the weight of plastic bottle). Half a water bottle 250 grams ect ect.
hell yea that is nice
can you review the Hope calipers? thinking of picking them up for my ultegra group
let me ride them a litttle longer had to do a little modifications to them at first
@@GCPerformance18 appreciate it matey - have you considered testing out the hope rotors as well?
There is not much contact area between the free wheel and cassette on the one piece cassette. I suspect it will gouge the aluminium type free wheel much quicker than the standard shimano cassette would. Nice and light though.
oh no, more things i need that i cant afford, xD looks killer sick thou !
Stupid question :can i put this on my old wheelset with 8 or 9 speed casette?
yes no isses
YOu so 10years ago bro!! Same as Edco which has been has out for over 10 years with 11 speed & lastest 12 speed & is much cheaper than this brand and is the original MonoBlock cassette lighter & CrMo steel
I doesn't have the same teeth profile and ramps as the Shimano or sram cassetes to aid shifting, the teeth are very straight, I bet it doesn't shift that great.
Sweet - hadn’t heard of those guys, figured it was a Garbaruk cassette at first. The Hope binders are sweet BTW. What brand Ti frame is that ?
it is the blackheart titanium frame
Why they don't make cassette that can be used on SRAM groupset?
I think they are working with sram as we speak
wish they had a 12 speed gravel cassette also. 11-39 would be ideal.
I second this! I’ve been wanting 11/38 or 11/40 for 12 speed grx. You can hack 2x11 Grx by putting an 11/40 on it but no one makes this size cassette in 12 speed.
So glad I run SRAM AXS now with options like 11-26 & 11-28. I would hate having to run an 11-30 just because that's all they make. Definitely never going back to Shimano.
I'm digging this... it's time to rebuild one of bikes . It's has over 10k mi. I just got my new one last week. I love these frames I own 3, for all my different situations. Your going to sell me wheels from joe china cycling. I have 2 large posiden x . New one is the ambition already slammed the stem swapped saddle and have cool pedals on it. I am loving a size medium. I think the 170 cranks are cool I can haul ass around corners as opposed to 175. Those you know if ya know. Great vid bro. I will be in touch in couple mo for wheels.
It would seem to me, bearing in mind I'm not being an expert or anything, but doesn't the suit add quite a lot of weight to the horse?
JfoyH also has 12 spees cassette from 11/28 up too 11/36 $54 to $75.
18T has been the workhorse gear on my blocks back since 8 speed gears were the hot new thing, to the extent that I used to run 13-21 and 12-19 cassettes exclusively in my racing days. Then with 9 speed 12-21 and 10 speed 12-23. Can't get my head round why Shimano thinks they can get away with having cassettes that don't have them. Maybe it's just to sell more cassettes. Still don't understand why normal dude riders think they need an 11T.
yea 18t gear is a nice gear that I was missing and use to from the older cassettes
All my rides...1,000 ft per 10 miles. PNW and near Mt. Hood. But i still want the 11 28
Great video! besides your introduction with the Presta Cycles product to us interessting experiences and insights from you as an experienced mechanic/salesman. The only critisism I have is your comparison @19:19 with a max 28T cassette too a 34T? Of course it's lighter even if it were Ultegra 😁
What's with the horse in a suit?
I had used one on 11 speed, exact same company and design with durace derailleur and found it to be first and foremost very loud on shifting and loud in general because the whole thing is one piece and vibration from chain resonates throughout. Also there are no rubber bands in between cogs to improve acoustic performance of the chain too. It really got on my nerves after a week of riding even waxed chain wont help. Its like a tractor/helicopter sound continuously 😂
Thanks for letting us know that, but for me it won't be an issue because I wear earbuds and listen to loud beat type music.
What's your chainring? I am planing to get a p505 too
that is the alugear and it is bcd 110 it is the same as shimano chainring bcd but alugear makes some great products
The manufactor was edco before i think? The question is, if they improved their cassettes. Cause they shifted horrible ...
They are still sold as E. Dubied&Co. Shifting isnt horrbile, but not great. Using one in 11/34 at the moment. Im probably switching back to a standart shimano when this one is worn out.
I see you have some Magene wheels there. Could you do a review on them??🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻. I would love to hear your thoughts
yea I just got done making the video tonight I have about 400 miles on them I love the wider internal rim channel they are a nice option, and very comfortable
@@GCPerformance18 awesome!! You’re absolutely right, given the internal and external width of the wheels and price. They seem to be a no-brainer. Oh, and weight is awesome. Thank you for doing a brief review on them! Look forward to seeing the video.
any visibly noticeable difference between cog shift ramp design/milling when comparing to Dura Ace cassettes or more specifically, if you have one of their 11 speed 11-40 cassettes; do cog shift ramps appear equal to XT and/or XTR cassette shift ramp designs?
255 euros, DAYUMN
$426 Australian dollars. Glad I was sitting down *cough*
It's obscene
What breakcalipers you got on that bike? They look sick af
those are the hope brake calipers
Bro is that AVG antivirus on that horse? What year is it?
lmfaooo
What is the frame? Is it titanium?
yes it is the blackheart frame I have done videos on it
what’s the deal with the horse?
How long do they last??
I would have to assume that it is steel so it will have a long life, I do not know exact, but I would assume same as a high end cassette
I hear absolutely no difference between the two, except excitement and 240 dollars of awesomeness
same here I rode it twice so far and no issues here
This is really cool. Thanks for sharing it with us!
The weight limit on the cassette kinda scares me off. I was actually looking at the presta a few weeks ago. Hopefully it holds up for you seeing how we are the same weight
I have been using them on everybike since the video released with zero issues
@ that’s good to hear, thanks for the reply…loved the scream hahah
The big question is longevity. Can that thing take >5k miles like a shimano cassette.
5k ? I did on my last ultegra 15k and is perfectly fine
You are completely right. If you clean your drivetrain, shimano stuff lasts a really long time.
@@marcinstyle85 probably used a pressure washer to strip the chain, and then waxed it.
Awesome vid as always! Im intrigued by those cassettes.......We need to talk about the horse in the suit.
Dura Ace only does 11-32 and 11-34? That can't be right. What do the TT guys use? They're obsessed with the close ratios.
What is the Brand of your frameset in this video? Titanium?
yes it is blackhear titanium
Germany, Ultegra 12s cassette 55-65€, Dura-Ace 150-170€.
yea I know right now euro prices are super cheap for shimano for some reason
Is it available for 11sp?
Hey GC, what make are those brake callipers on your ti bike?? I need some of those!!
Those are Hope calipers - made in UK. Got some red ones for my CX bike.
Real question - how durable is it tho? I am trying to reduce weight on my bike... its especially tough with XL (61) frame size bikes :(
If you're on an XL bike, the bike weight (in general) will be a lower percentage of your body weight anyway so even less important
So if you're riding the same gears all the time, especially the low ones, you should LOVE the Shimano cassette, as it allows you to change those sprockets separately - a huge cash savig
I do not think it works like that
@@GCPerformance18 but I KNOW it works like that and you work at a bike shop. Here is a sample part numbers for Shimano Dura-Ace 12s sprocket:Y0MV11000.
Moreover, if you dislike the cassette eating into the hub when each sprocket contacts it separately, you will absolutely hate the damage caused by a cassette like this as it only has 2 contact points for all of the sprockets.
This video is both misinformed and misinformative.
Let's just talk about the Horse 😎 Can we?
Just bought my ultegra cassette from europe I paid $50 the dura ace was $190
I have never seen so many expensive bikes in one space. You must be in a rich area.
thanks so much yes we are in boca raton florida near miami, and our store is one of the smaller stores you should see the ones in miami area decked out
this video just proves 105 shifts better/faster than red
hahaha I am loving this 105 group it is so great and I see no lag from ultegra or duraace
Completely sold out in the UK :(
dammm I am sorry
Keeping it clean doesn't look easy. At least with the spacers, they stop the dirt and grim from going further.
What about the horse? Why the suite?
lmao!!!! I told you not too ask about it
And the disc calipers are?
they are hope, for me and the price I do not like them compared to shimano
I hope they make a "lite" version that is 10x cheaper 😁
With one cog!
Is that Horsetleman a IRL moment Photo OR a photoshoped image ?
lmao I od not know that photo was snagged form google images from a gq magazine for some reason
@@GCPerformance18 oh okay xD
Shame I'm on sram, the weight is insane! Nice Ti ride bro, Ti is my only ride, sram force axs etap 1x
Yea yea man. Im on board 💯...
hel yeaaa