Singapore Buys More F-35's!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Mover and I talk about Singapore buying more F-35's. Lot's of opinion and assumptions in this one!
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According to Singapore's law, the government can only purchase something if they have money on hand ( they can only take the money from the reserves if it is an exceptional situation like covid). Hence, they either save the money first and then announce big spending (like infrastructure, etc.) or, givenemnet, buy a small number at a time for weapons. Singapore is expected to purchase at least another 40 F-35s (A and B) over the next 5-6 years, each year 8-10. F-35B is for the so-called helicopter carrier JMMS, which is expected to be ready by 2030, and F-35A is for replacement for the current fleet of F-16s.
I was in Singapore recently and man do they train hard. Vipers and Eagles dogfighting overhead most days. What a noise. It’s surreal seeing F-15’s coming into the break among the tall buildings and quite a shock when you aren’t used to it.
Lol, the dogfights don't really occur overhead. They typically fly to south china sea to do their actual training. Occasionally they do overhead patrol flights, but that's not the norm. They do make a lot of noise since the country is so tiny, and the airbases are near populated area. But yes, it's a culture shock if you're not used to staying near air bases. For plane spotters like me though, it's comparatively convenient.
hey gonky! hey mover! big fan of the channel here from singapore. to answer the question regarding singapore's geopolitical stance, we try to stay as neutral as much as possible like the swiss, but as gonky has mentioned, since we're a small city state with limited resources, and as the saying goes, when the elephants do battle the ants perish, it is in our best interest to facilitate bilateral ties between big trade partners, especially taiwan and china because with more peace and stability in the region and globally, the better it is for us. as for the bling military hardware, the armed forces is primarily a deterrent measure, so the new F35s, though ready to go to war if the situation escalades to that point, are for the most part a FAFO flex.
Visited your city in the 80s and loved it. I completely get the need to have a level of deterrence, as well as the ability to be a strong ally of wherever the geopolitical conflict (as opposed to an actual conflict) goes.
From my time there, I know there is a demographic of Mandarin Chinese (and I suspect other Chinese ethnicities), but all that I encountered were vehemently anti-Maoist.
Has that changed at all?
@@karlbrundage7472 80s? lol you would be hard pressed to find anyone there who remembers or care who is Mao Zedong.
@@karlbrundage7472 hey karl, thank you. you pretty much summed it up really. ethnic demographics wise, not much has changed over the decades though the ratio has fluctuated here and there. the three largest groups in descending order would be the chinese (predominantly of han heritage), the malays, and the indians (predominantly of tamil heritage). from what i observed, the people these days are pretty apathetic to mao but back in the day (60's-80's) the ruling party cracked down on the commies by jailing or exiling them.
Got to be in line for orders!
Singapore maintains close relations to Taiwan even sending troops there to train. But Singapore will not intervene in a taiwan war scenario, the most we could do is to be the logistical hub for US coalition forces.
Like the rest of ASEAN, Singapore's number one trade partner is China. And like the rest of ASEAN (and the rest of SE and East Asia), they want security while maintaining their economic ties with China.
Yes they were involved. It was the U.S, Pakistan, and Malaysia
N I'm not Surprised that Rsaf Would Having C Version Of F35 which They Already Going To have A N B Version Of F35 Fighters Jet
N I Hope RSAF They Can Do Their Own Made Fifth Generation Fighter jet Like RMAF in The Future 2030 The Malaysia Is Making their Own Made Fifth Generation Fighter jet N I Hope One Day RSAF would Do The Same
Unfortunately, based on current Malaysia willingness and commitment now, it will be a long way for RMAF to equip themselves with 5th Gen fighter jet even though there is a plan to replace SU-30MKM and F/A-18D by 2040.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Hopefully it’ll happen.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 and just let China harassing our territory like they did in 2021, not including the one they sail their ship near our oil and gas fields several times in course of many years.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 They don't need arm twisting, they are already looking into KF-21 and F-35
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 No man, China is simply being a bully in Malaysian waters. Had China not messed with them they probably would buy Chinese jets.
RMAF CAP55 graphic has an F-35 shadow in the background. If that's foreshadowing, the RMAF is willing and looking into buying the F-35 if our govt allows it and are willing to negotiate with US.
I'm surprised y'all aren't taking this chance to badmouth Fat Any again
And they bought the better model this time! I thought it was a mistake for them to buy the B-model at first. And having lived there for some years, I can safely say that the additional utility/austerity that the B-model brings would've been wasted in Singapore. The roads are too small and littered with fod for the STOVL abilities of the B to be used, and the reduced operational costs for the A relative to the B will definitely go a long way for a country like Singapore. That, and the training costs will be vastly reduced too since Singapore fixed-wing pilots have no experience with STOVL/VTOL aircraft. Glad to see that they made the right decision in the end and are buying the better platform(for Singapore's needs).
From what I understand the B is treated like a strategic air asset. It's not going to sit anywhere near runways or any long stretch of road liable from first strikes. It's partly necessary because Singapore has no strategic depth at all.
"And they bought the better model this time! I thought it was a mistake for them to buy the B-model at first."
Singapore is too small and there are only so many runways available for the air force. It doesn't take much to locate all the runways within the country. Just like what mimimimeow said, it's treated as a strategic asset as well and makes it less obvious where it will take off from.
While you had lived in Singapore for some years, you may had missed the times when the RSAF block of certain public roads to become a make shift runway [to be fair, they don't do it that often, I can remember at least 2-3 times]. The F16 definitely took off from there [can't remember if they tried landing on one] and maybe [can't remember] even the F15SG did.
While I understand Singapore's purchase of the F35Bs, I was surprised they did not buy the A models together. Even after going to Australia [a couple of years back?] for an exercise with a closer look at both As and Bs, Singapore activated the option to buy 8 more which are B models as well. I was hoping they would get some A models during then. Finally the "3rd round/purchase" did it.
It’s my understanding that their concern was the possibility that runways might be cratered by an attack on their airfields. They probably can’t use roads, which would be damaged by the downward jet blast, but could still do a short takeoff with a full load in less than 1000 ft of available runway.
@@user-yb1wt2mq8c They probably realized the value of the A model after realizing that Malaysia or Indonesia is very unlikely to pick fights with them anymore, most of the old guards are going to leave the world soon. Plus Malaysia is likely getting the A model in the next 10 years too, they took part in F-35 Pitch Black operations so FPDA commonality is another value.
@@mimimimeow "They probably realized the value of the A model ...... "
Hehehe, I certainly hope both those countries finally give up on picking a fight with Singapore. Unfortunately every now and then, the neighbour up north will find something to pick about, In 2018, Ex-PM Mahathir got his seat back, soon after took some "old map" and said certain parts of the Singapore seas belongs to Malaysia "since the olden times" [similar trick China pulled with SCS]. Then went on and park a ship in said waters for months.
While the other in 2014, named a corvette warship as KRI Usman-Harun, the 2 terrorist of MacDonald House bombing, which they consider their heroes. Singapore protested but nothing was changed.
Hopefully when those old guard leave, ASEAN will be even more peaceful.
I wouldn't be holding my breath on Malaysia getting F35As within 10 years since it's been a rather common case where either Msia couldn't fully pay the amount due to varies reasons or some other issue comes up and the purchase is cancelled. I think 1 of the more recent case was with some navy ships or something, Offshore Patrol Vessel? Ordered 3 but only got 1 after long delays. Full payment was delayed [?] but finally paid, though the 2 other ships were still no where close. Forgot most of the details but was something about getting all 3 by certain year, few years after said year, only got 1, which was 1 of the reason the news of it blew up.
Their beef is with Malaysia and not China
"Their beef is with Malaysia and not China"
True, Indonesia as well.
But China's actions in the SCS ain't "good for business" for Singapore as well. Like Gonky and Mover mentioned, Singapore need those trades moving, so if there's a war, big conflict or blockage in the SCS, Singapore will get hugely affected.
Singapore's stance is still more defensive and "friends with everyone".
Singapore doesnt have beef with Malaysia. Both their armed forces and air forces work together. How can Singapore have beef with Malaysia when most of their people have families in Malaysia and vice versa. 😅 They dont have beef with China either. They are just being cautious of China's moves there.
@@bukitkatilmp Singapore's military was literally designed to deal with Malaysia first and foremost. They even have a counter-invasion plan in case Malaysia attacks, which is why they own so many Leopards and Apaches despite being a city state. Of course their relations have since cooled, and it's partly due to Singapore's large firepower, peace through strength etc.
@@guitarazn90210 Not quite. A friend of mine is in the Malaysian air force. They have joint briefings and also the reason why Malaysia and Singapore doesnt buy the same equipment is to vary based on the threats faced by the two countries with outside forces.
@@bukitkatilmp "Singapore doesnt have beef with Malaysia. Both their armed forces and air forces work together."
Maybe you don't live in Singapore [SG] or don't live long enough there. Go ask the older locals. Generally speaking, the citizens of both countries are fine with each other, it's mainly the gov of Malaysia [Msia] that loves to look for trouble with SG, especially when they have an election or soon after that.
There is a saying in SG that the other gov is using SG to distract their citizens from all their domestic issues. What's better to unite the people with a common "enemy". Cutting water to SG is 1 of the more common "policy" that pops up every once in a while.
SG maintains being friendly with all countries as it's a tiny country and it's unable to change that apart from gaining land by war, but the cost will be too great to bear.
On the other side of things, 1 of the minister said to both Msia and SG that they should have thank them for "providing fresh air" throughout the year and not complain about the Haze caused by burning of forest every few years.
During the start of SG, the local gov were VERY careful with those who sides with communist. "Businessman Philip Chan designated politically significant person under S’pore’s foreign interference law".
So even in the present day, SG is being cautious with any threats from outside.
Mover keep shaving
Well To Me I Think If They Got Enough money I Rather They Buy The Gripen Fighter jet N French Rafael Fighter jet even they are Not Fifth Generation Fighter jet Cos F35 Only Can Fly Form One three Hours In Flying N The Rest Of The Day They Are Maintenance That Why F35 Is Very Very Expensive like Gripen They Can Fly the more Hours N Only Need One hours in Maintenance that Why I Said Rsaf Should Get Such a Good Plane
Realistically it’s more for the stealth tech that the F35 offers, while yes they definitely have lesser fuel capacity, it still enhances the RSAF’s strike first capabilities behind potential enemy lines. Another point is that SG already possesses the f15 eagle which is comparable to the gripen and Rafael.
first ig
But they are not getting the proprietary technology behind the F-35 in terms of advanced technology in weapon systems
Waste money,.. Minister Teo the winner..,last year..
Relax foreigners, those are just toys only! Say hi to them when you meet them!