Who Was More Genetically GIFTED? Paul Dillett or Phil Heath?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- This is a picture comparison between Paul Dillett and Phil Heath, BUT we will also be judging there genetics along with the physiques they brought to the stage.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:12 Who had better Genetics
1:53 The Back development
2:42 Front Relaxed
3:28 Front Double Biceps
4:33 Front Lat Spread
5:05 Side Chest
6:03 Side Triceps
6:46 Back Double Biceps
7:41 Rear Lat Spread
8:27 Abs & Thigh
9:04 Most Muscular
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Paul dillet had the best structure of all time in bodybuilding . Phil had unreal genetics for roundness , shape , density and muscle belly length ,
Not his back
Dillet had longer biceps and better insertions for it, while matching Phil’s forearm length and triceps
Idk about structure. Paul wasnt exactly too wide for his height
@@carl8752 True.If Dillet had Ruhls wideness...jesus christ
@@carl8752 lmao Paul wasn’t too wide ? Next to Dennis wolf and cutler there’s nobody wider . And he had the waist of a middle weight
Dillet had scoliosis and various other issues. Due to these he wasn't able to train or hold poses without shaking like a leaf. He is the biggest WHAT IF in bodybuilding history.
I think Paul. His back was bad, but like with Phil, I believe it could've turned into a very dangerous back. Outside of that he had best in class body parts through and through and a superior structure to phil.
Its genuinely a shape that Paul slipped through the cracks and never realized his full potential. Easily could've been one of the greats like Ronnie, Phil, and Dorian.
I honestly don’t think his back was bad, his posing from the back was just so dogshit it looks multiple times worse.
If Paul trained with 50% of Ronnie's or Dorian's discipline!! We would be having a different Bodybuilding history all together!
I agree. Dillet had the greatest genetics of all time. I remember reading an article in the 90's where Paul said he had a rota cuff injury that prevents him opening up on back shots on one side,who knows, but he was truly amazing.
Shawn Ray used to say just standing there, Dillet WAS Mr.Olympia. His frame just standing relaxed was unbelievable. But his muscles didn't pop like you would expect when he posed. Phil didn't have the frame that Paul had especially the width, but when he posed his muscles just popped. And those arms were just magnificent.
Jurassic Paul. He could have grown pushing a lawn mower.
Perfect comment!
@@JGD185 Hahaha! 😁👌
Dillet's genetics were so good that he didn't feel like training, he just looked at the weights until he got a pump, sometimes he'd pick really light dumbells and hold them until his arms and shoulders grew an inch. He had asthma, so his cardio was pretty much the same as mine, taking walks. He said he trained calves only pre-contest for whatever reason. He never had any form of mind-muscle connection. His posing skills were Valliere-esque in an era where posing mattered and got scored.Melvin Anthony offered to help him with his posing and according to Melvin, he blew him off and said "Why would I practice posing? I'm 300lbs" which is so sad it's funny.
As far as work ethic goes, he literally checked all red flags. If he had the mindset of Ronnie and Dorian, perhaps he would have replaced both for many years. The Dillet we saw on stage had maybe 75% of his potential unleashed. I'm sure he could have gotten much bigger even in his strong bodyparts such as delts, legs and arms if he tried, and certainly his back if he had any basic understanding of bodybuilding training. Charles Glass did the best with what was given to him, it must be really frustrating to train somebody who should beat everybody, but doesn't out of pure lazyness.
Just like flex wheeler. watch his training videos he’s just going through the motions
I heard Dillett used to do only missionary for shoulders .
Allegedly, he used to have cramps often, together with his asthma. Just sometimes listening to the man talk makes you feel bad for him.
I think it might have been a degree of laziness but mostly his health.
Just like Cedric almost died when he tried to get shredded, I don't want to criticize him for coming in soft.
Your comment is both funny and sad, but most importantly it's all true. Just imagine if this man had Ronnie Coleman mindset.
@@kaleandoscope that's what I tried to imagine. Imagine if Paul trained like Ronnie or Dorian, that would have been insane. Dorian actually talked about that once; he said if I could have gotten in the head of some of these guys it would have been scary.
Paul had the greatest genetics ever period. Ironically he couldn't pose for shit tho.
For me, Dillet was the true Mass Monster of that era.
I love hearing Paul Dillet stories on Lee Priests channel
Paul is the God of genetics. No one comes close
*Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone enter the chat*
@@bonjour2098 They are still below him.
@@patrick22014 Arguably but Flex had no myosyatin I think, which is the equivalent of the "belgian blue" bulls. And wasn't that much of a hard worker in the gym. And Kevin took 6 months off training every year and looked like just an average gym guy when he started training again. But all that being said, I agree that Paul Dillet was incredibly gifted as well. It's the "no one comes close" part that I'm not so sure about.
@@bonjour2098 Different types of genetics I guess but I still think he was the ultimate specimen. He had an unmatched structure, his insertions and limbs were massive, he didn't lack calves or forearms, he was "lazy" on his training and he was still bigger than pretty much everyone else not to mention that he was like 6'3 and he was aesthetic af too, perfect abs insertions, small waist, etc. Levrone is my favorite ever but I think him and Flex are still a few steps behind him when it comes to genetics. I just don't see anyone close to him yet but hopefully I live enough to see someone with his potential competing again.
Pail Dilett together with Sergio Olivia had hands down the best genetics of all time. Neither of them trained hard at the gym or dieted properly but still managed to come in shape.
Sergio trained Extremely Hard at the Gym for hours ,Well documented and He worked full time job while doing it.His dieting was a weakness as he didn’t do that
@@retrobilly1719 yep
phil is an example of when good genetics puts 100% effort. same with ronnie. a lot didnt because they were already gifted and didnt have to work extra hard to place high
Exactly
Agree, same with Yates. Can you imagine if Paul trained blood and guts style
@@EyesackWorley yep i can’t even imagine how he’d look
Paul : wide clavicles, ability to blow up with little training, calves, flow....
Phil : thin skin, 3d bubbly muscle everywhere, long muscle bellies.....
Love the username man, very poetic
@@dianbagheri6649 It's a Berserk tribute for Miura Kentaro Sensei.
Dillet soley due to the fact that he filled out a 6'2 frame extremely well...although he should've worked on his back a bit more..
Seen footage of Dillet rowing and doing lat pulldowns. His back was so weak because of bad sciatica 8:05 Look at his spine
Nah, in terms of muscle quality, Phil has the best genetics hands down, not even remotely close. The only thing Paul had over Phil is the structure, but there are a billion of bodybuilders that also best Phil in that area, but none can touch Phil when it comes to the completeness of each and every individual muscle, how tight and shredded they could become with his paper thin skin, and the only one that ever had the 3D effect to his muscles, he truly is The Gift
You dont understand genetics..smh
Some real great videos lately mark, keep it up
Dillet. Hands down
You guys forget Phil won the Olympia 7 times straight without hardly ever bench pressing, squatting, deadlifting etc. Dude used machines and light dumbbells to achieve what I'd say is the 2nd best body building physique to ever grace the state. Jay saw him when he was in his 20s starting out and said yea that kids going to be Mr Olympia. Phil has a more balanced physique than Paul, also more symmetrical, whereas Dillets shoulders heavily over shadowed his chest, he had 0 back to speak of, etc. There's a reason Phils called the gift. To have that thin grainy skin with such huge bubbly muscles, completely full muscle bellies and sharp lines everywhere while using pretty much only machines and lighter dumbbells for arm and shoulder work is preposterous.
@blueberry pancakes with butter and syrup no version of Jay would have won again Phil after 2010. And Phil won the Olympia 7 times Paul didn't win any note worthy show ever
Ronnie the only bb that combined incredible genetics with incredibly hard training. Maybe Dorian
Nahhh. Ronnie looked like pregnant bb. Paul looked so much better
I agree with the overall conclusions of this video. They both have great genetics but I do think that Dillett's were overall superior. His height, slim abs and monstrous delts are hard to beat. Phil's narrow clavicles are a tragedy, because he was pretty much flawless in every other respect and he has some of the most unbelievable forearms.
I like that ‘open up’ the Lats effect on Dilletts lat spread pic. That is an Olympia winning shot straight of the bat. Perhaps if Dillett saw that picture of what he could become it would have motivated him to train his weak areas better and smarter.
What a fun video idea. Great question
Paul's competitors even knew how much of a freak he was. I remember a FLEX article where one of them said that Paul could build muscle by "mowing the lawn". I don't know how apocryphal it was but it was generally accepted that he mostly used machines with light weights. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to do that?
Once you heard Paul speak, you knew why they never crowned him Mr Olympia.
Dillett all day
Phil is no slouch tho but Dillett was just a freak in an era of freaks
Good commentary
Paul was definitely a genetic beast, but one thing that stuck out to me in this vid was how underwhelming his chest was. His great genetics seemed to take the day off when creating his chest. Look how much more bulbous and 3D Phil's chest is at 2:43. It's like Paul has two flap jacks, while Phil is working with two watermelons. You can see it again at 5:38. Great vid though! Thanks Mr. Max Muscle! Ps - at 5:38 the sizing of Paul's picture makes him look like a 7ft giraffe. Hahaha
It's not "poor posing" or lacking "work ethic". Paul was not as genetically good as people think he was when you consider the total package. A bit like a cardboard tiger, impressive from the front, weak from the back.
Phil's back and arms were awesome! 😮
Phil is the gift, Paul is the squandered gift
Paul didn't squander nothing! He was said to have back problems. He even took a few years off and came back and went back to the Olympia. While others have tried and never made it to the Olympia, he has always been successful enough to get there! You're acting like he is winning a spot to the Olympia like how you win bingo smh
Have you made it to the Olympia, nationals, or ever did a show? I guess you squandered your mediocreness, smh lol
Please do a comparison of Regan Grimes and Andrew Jacked. 2022 Olympia qualification versions
People say Paul's back was bad. They're wrong. Paul didn't have a small back or petite lats. He retracted his scapula too much and didn't squeeze his lats when posing in the back shots. To prove this, look at big ramy at the 2022 Olympia and then the arnold classic 2023
Ramy retracted his scapula at the Olympia and fully opened up at the arnold. See what im getting at with paul?
I'd 100% rather have Pauls genetics.
If you can, put up two videos side by side. One of Phil's posing and one of Paul's. Not to judge the posing primarily but to compare. I feel like Phil looks much better on videos than he looks on photos. Specially his muscle pop and the roundness.
Paul Dillett should’ve been Mr. Olympia at least 10 x over. I think his mindset and attitude towards training and posing choreography was his only weakness, but it let him down immensely. He gave me the impression of a man who gone through life lacking belief in his abilities and was not convinced that he could be the best. So he was happy enough with 2nd best and played about doing his favourite exercises, having fun and couldn’t give a Damn about the ‘weak’ body parts. The posing was a joke, it’s like he never rehearsed before and accidentally ended up on stage mimicking what bodybuilders are supposed to do 😂
Dillet has this one in the bag
Paul should have worked on his structure pull overs for his rib cage and wide grip pull ups for lat width.
Paul having a couch like Phil did to teach him everything he did wrong or didn’t do right could be a different history,same history with the more gifted man I have the pleasure to see in person Mr Sergio Oliva
Paul dillet looks like a Spartan from halo
he was training back with Charles Glass, u cant say he dont know how to train or his training was bad. Look at kevin levrone, who was lifting heavy at all back movements - he just dont have godlike back genetics like dorian, phil or ronnie. Almost all pros training with somewhat similar technique and range of motion, same number of weights, yet someone has unbelievable back and someone has lacking back - its just simple genetics, u cant be perfect everywhere. poorly genetics for back&low muscle connection with back muscles(also genetics). bumstead - biceps, dorian - biceps, Ronnie - triceps, Phil - his gut&abs, narrow shoulders
It's hard not to notice the biases people bring when looking at certain bodybuilders. Jay Cutler trained in a very similar fashion to Phil Heath, never going crazy on the heaviest possible free weight compound movements but using a lot of sets and partial range to get the most growth without tearing himself up. People look at him and think he was smart and dedicated. They look at Phil and think he's lazy. Shaking my head.
Sergio had some of the bast genetics. Calves, forarms, small waist, chest, similar arms. Wide clavicle width, Lats.
Paul's my pick !
If Paul Dillett had a back similar to Haney, Yates and Ronnie, he'd go down as the absolute best in history... probably one of the best front physiques of all time
@blueberry pancakes with butter and syrup and massive calves!!
Backs just an excuse, since everyone has some weakness; his attitude and bodybuilding politics were prime reasons
I read an interview way back where ferigno was blown away by Paul’s forearms, rumoured to be eighteen inches around.
paul dillets shoulders look massiv
but remembering old photos of paul dillet i dont remember him have such bizeps peaks the bizeps peaks are well in these photos
cormier vs flex wheeler who has better genetics
Paul actually had a decent back early on. In 94, it was actually pretty good, but he ultimately went with Charles Glass for a trainer (a glorified rep counter in this case), and that was a big part of his ultimate failure to place better. Glass was so into angles and cables…Paul never did heavy rowing of any kind. It was always cable pull-down and the occasional light Hammer Strength pull-down. Had he adopted some actually intense free weight rowing into his split, he could have easily built a back that would have placed him in the top 3 of ANY show he entered.
But that shallow back and awful posing was his undoing. His rear delts obviously took over in all of those cable pull-down movements to the detriment of his back. And his posing… we all know how bad his presentation was.
Paul simply lacked the inner drive. He had the structure and the hyper-response to PEDs. If he had a stronger work ethic and a little help with his contest prep, he would have been a multi-Olympia winner, no question.
I think genetics does impact posing. I mean: It impacts how much discipline and focus one is able to have and maintain.
Phill delts are overwhelmed and make pecs looks small ! And towards the end of Paul career he did improve his back detail and their is video working out his back with Charles glass !
Dillett's huge posterior delts lead me to believe, *baby please* , that he in fact didn't, or couldn't, train his lats properly.
I'm not as informed as you are about their training routine but i think you're dreaming if you really think Paul didn't work his back. Imo his back looks bad in the back double because he doesn't pose well. You can see from the front, even when he is relaxed, that he has massive lats. Insertions seems high but that's all. And for squats, you don't need squats to build big legs !
Paul dillet is we crazy never seen anything like him ever
Phil Heath won 7 Olympias game over
Goes to show how maximal training/diet can make all the difference in bringing out a true genetic gift. And again the genetics one has to put on muscle size on minimal food, goes to Vince Taylor
Dillet wins all front and side poses with superior structure/prorportion and has an actual v-taper
*i said it ovet a thousand times... Paul Dillet has the beast genetic ever!*
if dillet had hany rambod on back day, i cant even imagine how scary shit wouldve gotten
I think Paul was hindered by a bad delt (joint?) injury, assuming his right one seeing how his lat is so much smaller on that side. Bet he had a liver/gallbladder issue creating impingement since it’s on the right.
Phil had great genetics, all three of his babies were very healthy when he finally gave birth.
Cedric Mc Millan vs Samson (both Arnold wins for Cedric and Samson)
They both have great muscle shape, but the bone structure is where Paul absolutely crushes Phil. That's what made Paul so crazy, round full muscles, on a 6'1 inch super wide frame. He is as wide or wider than Ferrigno who was 6'5.
Phils is 5'9 and "comically narrow" Below average in width for his height, more like a 5'6 person.
This really isn't close despite the number of titles, not when comparing genetics. If Dillet didn't have nerve damage his back things would have been very different. Or if Dillet got to compete in the 2010's.
Paul’s shoulders were ridiculous
I would definitely say Paul Dillet.
Paul had arguably the best skeletal structure ever, Phil had arguably the best muscle insertion/fullness/density. Imagine if they both could have a kid... No homo tho
Phil top 5 all time ,3D is hard to beat
What’s impressive about Dillet he trained extremely light for a guy his size
I think full round muscle bellies beat structure
Paul dillet my favorite bodybuilder of all time
What about muscle bellies, that 3d look that Phil has. Isn't that genetics?
Dillett had nerve damage in his back.
Paul and Sergio Olivia had the best genetics ever, all Paul had to do was get a good coach and he couldve been Mr Olympia.
It's a shame paul stated back in the day that he had picked up shoulder injuries in his 🏈 days.affected his range of motion.He would have been a true great if not for that plus I think in the Iron man pro he cussed out judge before it even started. it didn't help.awsome structure way ahead.
Look every Mass Monster falls in love with The front & it’s why
Paul , Nassar, Ruhl, Roeley,
Possibly The new Russia Kriszo takes only Front shots & we are waiting for the rear to catch up or be like this other guys
Phil … 7x O / Paul … 0x O
if you wanna compare genetics you need to compre younger versions, like when they turned pro or pro debuts. the older they are the more hard work and steroids have to do with their physiques
I love Paul because he’s a freak, perfect? No! But what a sight to see
Paul
So you or someone else is claiming Dillett did zero back training whilst having the best front relaxed of all time? AKA.. his lats from the front were ridiculously HUGE. LOL. He had bad genetics from that back, that's all. Imagine if he really never trained back and still had those front lats?
They both were oilright
WBFF Chairman Paul
best structure - Paul
best muscle seperations, detail- Phil
I'd still have Sergio at No. 1 and Paul at No. 2. Phil as No. 3 should hurt no one's feelings, but these Nigerians that have recently hit the scene could shuffle things a bit. What about Ronnie? He did whatever it took on top of his alien DNA.
This is all splitting hairs as all these guys are in 99.9 percentile.
Good, fair comparison.
9:42 - Paul was 6’1” in his prime, never 6’3”…
Absolutely Phil Heath. Have you seen Dillett's back lol?
the Back is pro vs amateur
Sad part about Paul is that he didn't reach his full potential.
Paul Dillet is more gifted with the genetics . Paul has one of the best genetics off all time maybe the best . but posing was always a problem for him holding the poses long enough. And was holding sometimes too much water. he could been Mr O if he brought this total package
Paul’s rear delts are bigger than his back?! 😮🤪
Back for a second look. Those delts still amaze me! 😮
Paul is way superior. Not narrow like overrated Phil
Dillett for a black bodybuilder he had huge calves....
Phil heath has a better back, which is the most important muscle when winning the Mr olympia. Paul though is bigger, better and taller everywhere else.
Dillet and it's not close imo
Dillet was also one of the worst posers of all time. If he had not slacked as much or had a coach like everyone in bodybuilding has today, he could've been Mr. Olympia imo. Phil had insane pop, roundness, and thin skin. His 7 Olympia titles tells us how good his genetics actually are.
Posing’s a stock excuse but was only one factor of several. Politics was another
@@hardcorehouse politics usually plays a role, but he couldn't display his body properly. Some of the weaknesses in his physique could have been overcome by opening up more. He was also shaky and barely held poses for more than a couple of seconds.
@@joeschmidt676 that’s part of it, is the standard answer. The bigger part is the reality that bodybuilding is a highly commercial enterprise with the owners favoring multi year winners over fair shows
Phil has the best genetics accept for the abs, everything is perfect except he's mid section.
Personally i'd say Phil between these 2 since hes more complete all around. If Paul was as good from the back as from the front i'd have a different opinion. But i think Derek Lunsford is a better Phil in my opinion, or a Phil with a much better midsection/torso all around, Derek still has to hit that crisp condition, which i understand is also genetic. Like Hadi for example being shredded to the bone but his back not following that, some guys have worse genetics in that sense too. But i think Derek can achieve it
Dillet 100% superior
Phil is more complete, but Paul's frame...