How to Sit on a Drum Throne - Throne Stability Explained
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Here are some tips for making sure you have a stable platform for playing to your maximum potential. If you can't easily pass the simple test at 5:10, you have a problem and should work on your posture, change your throne setup, redistribute your weight, or get in the gym and do some abs.
That's the content I subscribed for. Love your ergonomics series as well!
Max I’m finally set back up and able to make videos regularly again. Hopefully I’ll be able to put out some substantive content more often now.
Leaving another comment just to get this lesson elevated by UA-cam algorithms. Best lesson ever on the posture.
Succinctly explained. This is the best video I've found on this subject, thanks!
Thanks Ryan... That explains a lot for me. Great stuff.
Very insightful video! Thank you.
Awesome...as a lifetime duranie I'm genuinely excited for the new album..!
Great tip! I'm starting to play heel up without burying the beater and this helps a lot.
very useful information. thank you
Your channel is gold to someone trying to get better behind the kit!!! Thank you!!!
Great advices! Balance is so important, sometimes crucial. Unfortunately easily overlooked.
Thank you my friend very important lesson, balance is key
Dude, thank you for this video. I've been looking all over for a video that explains exactly, in detail, how to sit on a throne. Oh there are lots of videos that say "hey sit over and balance, don't rest on your legs" but that's all they say. I needed this video as it explains why I, a newbie drummer of 2 months, have been running into some issues with my drumming especially doin foot high hat 1/8th notes with base drum quarter notes: I kept falling or leaning side to side, rocking front to back. Guh, thanks again man you have really helped me out.
I am struggling with the sitting position and your video is very clear and gives a great practical insight 👍Thank you Ryan 😀
Thank you sir, this lesson is absolutely wonderful on the subject. Very nicely and clearly put
excellent, very helpful! thank you!!
thanks, struggling with this after gettting a double bass pedal. was just resting on my hihat foot previously so didnt notice
Just had to switch to a round top type throne and am having issues getting used to it, specifically the Ahead Spinal G, due to the saddle type throne helping me acquire about $3k in prostate or something issues. That much in and the MDs have yet to be helpful. The tips in your video are already helping me get used to this new seat. Thanks!
Dude knows his stuff. I'm a bit of a tipper lol. I've used the same wobbly Tama throne for yrs, dk how bad this was for posture & esp doub-bass playing, but ordered a Gibraltar HD one after his advice, can't wait til it arrives
The way you seat giving you the control and power to play better and with great stabillity!! Great Lesson man maybe the greatest for double bass players also if you play ankle motion you must set your throne a bit higher from 90 degree so your feets are flowing to the pedals easier!!
Thank you for this!!!
I came from the your not bury the beater. Which I do. Thankfully my seating position is pretty much right on.
Great info! New drummer (age 60!). I've been using the seat of an old office chair, and can'tvwait to go get a new, legit throne! Thank you!
A legit throne will be much better, no comparison.
That was great. Pretty much a demo of all my problems. Lifting both legs and not tipping back looks super-human to me😅
thanks Ryan
This helps alot! Thank you!
Do you know any physical exercises for your body to train the muscels of the torso in order to keep it balanced?
BrownBear96 general abdominal strength goes a long way. I’ve never trained for drumming specifically, other than by practicing the drums. I was a pole vaulter so core stability and ab training are a large part of that. No need to train for drumming in addition. You could do a pole vault ab workout if you wanted, look up the exercise called “bubkas” and do those. If you can do that you’re probably ok.
It usually is more an issue of balance than anything really. You're asking your body to do something it doesn't do normally, which is lifting both legs without the help of your torso. This becomes harder to apply when you meet patterns where you have all 4 limbs doing something different and playing off each other, since you have no time to readjust yourself or use one of your lower limbs as a kickstand ( which is something a lot of people that play heel up do on a regular basis), you'll naturally lean back or slouch without noticing to lower your center of gravity.
One interesting exercise Jojo Mayer proposes on his second DVD is that you support your body forwards instead and initially practice holding your upper body by resting your hands on the snare and/or floor tom, until you can balance yourself naturally without that aid.
CrimSun you’re right it has a lot to do with balance, but there’s a muscular component. Olympians fall off the balance beam, cats fail all the time (that’s half of why UA-cam exists) so there’s no such thing as perfect balance. Having the right body placement and activating your hips and abs slightly is also an important component of throne stability. Also sitting at a reasonable height and using a quality throne that doesn’t tip or wobble help a lot too. Lots of people use their hihat leg as a kickstand. Then if they have to play like a disco pattern they wobble side to side with every beat.
If you add playing without burying the beater, that adds another level of difficulty, as you can't support your body with the bass drum leg either.
CrimSun true and you shouldn’t be burying the beater anyway. I mean you can but that shouldn’t be the default. It should be a stylistic or sonic choice. Though I’ve seen many people who cannot rebound if I offered them 100 bucks. It usually comes down to balance and throne stability. They bury because they’re unable to stay upright and it’s totally connected.
Really??! I bury the beater by default. Cant play otherwise. Could you make a video on this Subject please?
Prateek Yadav I could probably do that, yeah. I can’t guarantee when, but I’ll see.
Thank you for this video. I like the way you explain things with details and even some physics. So many people on UA-cam just repeat the same generalities which don’t help people who may have specific or unique issues. For example you mention where to keep your center of gravity on the throne. I recently started playing double bass heal up and had a really hard time with balance. I’m 6’1” but my legs are really long and a short torso. After several months of frustration with my lack of balance I scooted my body back on the throne to where the weight of my body is on my butt cheeks and a little back from the center of the throne. Problem solved! I found that considering my spine/tailbone as the center of mass for my body and keeping that over the center of the throne just didn’t work with my leg length. My thighs are much more supported and it really doesn’t restrict my leg motion at all. Although I concede that if I sat too far back it would. Thanks again for your videos and taking the time to talk about details that are often not addressed!
I had a student who was probably 6'2" or 6'3" and he was almost entirely leg. No torso. He had some trouble setting up a kit for himself because his throne technically needed to be so high and far from the pedals that it made the rest of the kit setup weird. His toms were almost always awkwardly far away, as were the hi hat cymbals, because they, of course, go with the pedal or the bass drum. It was him and the snare, and then some strange gap to the rest of the kit. He probably could have sorted it out at home, but any time he had to borrow, share, or use some other kit...like at school, it was strange.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom I have the same issue but probably not as extreme. I play Yamaha and they have longer tom mounts you can buy which helps. I also raise the toms a little, but it’s always a reach. And sitting in on someone else’s kit is a nightmare lol! Thanks again!
A round seat is so important
What about those of other shapes?
Ive noticed i lean forward to do flams or to play my high tom. I think the flam thing is a power thing and the high tom is because it seems hard to reach without leaning. I only notice this when i try to play with the hi hat pedal going. I think i need to work on not leaning on my right foot when burying the beater too. Back to square one!
Thanks u answer drumming questions onawide range
I'll soon be in need of a drum throne. I'm building a first time budget kit and will be getting the: Gretsch - Catalina Club Jazz Set; Zildjian - I Family Standard Gig Pack; and the TAMA - Classic Hardware Kit with base pedal. I'm on a tight budget and hoping to get everything for under $1,400.00. I own a 15" round medical stool with hydraulic lift that is very comfortable. Without the wheels, the stool height adjusts from 18" ~ 24". The stool swivels and I've yet to read or see anything about whether a drum throne should be fixed or should swivel. This kit is for my living room so the stool does not need to travel.
They make Drum thrones both with and without swiveling seats. I prefer to not have that as I want the most stable base of operations possible. I don’t like hydraulic or pneumatic adjustments or quick release levers, or thrones with flex in them. That’s not a universally held opinion, though. Lots of people have the ones that swivel. You can do it. As long as your medical thingy gets you to the right height it should work.
When sitting, should you be able to lift both legs in the air or does that mean you’re setting too far back? If I’m sat back on my throne, I can keep both legs off the pedals at the same time for quite a while but is this bad?
I know you demonstrate taking both feet off in the video but state that it’s only for a short time.
Would love to hear your thoughts.
It is possible to sit too far back. You’ll know it if the throne is actually preventing you from playing heel up strokes from the hip easily. As in, it’s impeding your leg movement. Or if you have to lean forward significantly to maintain balance, that would also indicated you’ve planted yourself behind the center. The ability to lift your legs up often has to do with your core strength as well as throne position. I’ve known people who look at me like I’m totally insane for lifting either leg up, forget both. Like they feel it’s exhausting playing heel up at all on either leg because they’re just so weak in that area. I will say if you’re hanging off the back side of the throne more than a little you’re likely too far back.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Cheers man. Thanks for the reply. Interesting thoughts. I'm 6"1 but very light at 11 stone so definitely on the thin and lanky side. I think I have good core strength. When practicing single pedal work, I often lift my other leg in the air to get used to the balance aspect but I can't do this if I'm directly in the centre of the seat. When I'm directly in the centre my long legs seem to have most of the weight pulling me forward so maybe it's just a height and leg length thing.
Thanks for the info. What type of shoes are you using? Mine feel sticky and I can’t get that double hits going on my pedal. I also feel pain in my shins and lower thighs. It’s a nightmare trying to perform. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I play with any variety of general sneakers. Nothing special. You may need to stretch your shins and remember that there’s a warmup period with kick drumming where you may feel pretty tight. This usually subsides and you get warm. Also make sure that your distance from the pedals is reasonable. Sitting too close is a big problem for a lot of people. That’s about all I can say from here.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Thanks so much I appreciate the info!
Hello. A (somewhat silly) question: If we wanted to do the stability test with our feet on the pedals, would the throne be higher than if we tried with our feet on the ground?
Thank you.
Yeah I assume it would be, but only the thickness of your heel plate. So not much.
So does a bicycle stye throne constrict your leg movement more? Looking to get the roc n soc nitro but ive gotten pretty used to the round seat
The problem is that it actually allows too much. You expend too much energy using core muscles to control your legs which could be supported by a round throne. Also I can’t stand thrones that aren’t rock solid. Nitro, pneumatic, hydraulic… these things make it feel wobbly and unstable. That’s a personal preference.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom gotcha! Yah I have a Ludwig round, pretty old at this point but the seat is still really comfortable except it feels pretty rocky when I raise it decently high. I mostly want to get the nitro for easy raising and lowering, it's kind of a chore with the twist seats but I really do like the rounded.
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I'm tall and i elevate my throne high to get my legs to get the same angle as you, but the throne wobbles. I can't seem to find a throne that wont do that. Any feedback?
I picked my throne out at my local drum store based on the fact that it has the least wobble. It’s a Gibraltar, but it’s from like 2009. I recommend going to a real drum shop and sitting on a few. It’s really hard to tell on the internet if it’s gonna work for you.
I'm surprised you didn't address seat height
I have other videos on that. This one was focused on other aspects.
How tall are you, Ryan?
6'1"
Thanks for the answer! I am 6'0" and in comparison to you I seem to be sitting slightly lower - my butt is not above my knees, it's more at same level with the knees. I guess that's why kicking the bass drum throws me off balance sometimes. Thanks again, Ryan! You are one of the few people on internet who share the real, no bullshit knowledge! Love your channel!
Stabile?
rosenose66 yes it’s weird, you’re the first person who seems to notice, it’s a term for a freestanding stable art installation or sculpture.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom That was intentional?
rosenose66 I didn’t say that.