I'm impressed by how seemingly without effort Shuto plays M control and switch to C control without missing a beat. I play using C, was trying some stuff on M and often got a wrong input.
@jabron.destoroyah I know, I feel the same. I played more on SF4 with Ryu, so nothing much changed. But I also miss a lot of conversions. And damn, it`s RYU!
@@jordanstanfield7361 yea for people who can't play sure, everyone knows you buffer supers they come out instant with classic controls there is no advantage, unless you don't know how to do that so you use modern to do the same thing, its always people who can't play making comments
@eclisis5080 Sure, you can buffer it, but you gotta be actively thinking about doing it. With modern controls, I do not have to think about hit confirming level 3 as hard as I would on classic. There was a moment where Shuto did crouching light jabs, the first hit was blocked but the moment he hit the second one he did level 3, I'd have to predict that he would get hit by the second crouch jab and then buffer in order to get it instantly on classic. With modern I just have to notice he got hit. I'm just saying this as a person who likes to play fighting games but is currently new and learning SF6 modern just makes hit confirming on random stuff easier.
@@HighDratedTKthe first jab wasnt blocked. This makes a huge difference as it probably means he was buffering the jab into super from outside of range to wiff punish something, rather than simply reacting to a hit in a block string as you suggested. If what you said actually happened it would be cool but it didnt. When it comes to the super, nothing he did here was inline with the strenght modern controls
It somehow feels like Daigo is forcing a certain playstyle on this version of Ken. I mean, the man is a genius so what do I know - but whenever I'm watching replays it feels like his super patients footsies Ken doesn't do as well as the more aggressive kind played by Angry Bird, Christ T etc. It feels like he gets beat up more than he should....
Maybe not the issue of daigo but japan has too many top players. Besides, damage of marisa is too great. Simply put, I think daigo can commit 2 big errors in one round only, but marisa can take 3(If we do not consider about SA). Advantage of ken vs marisa, I think is the ability of corner carry, and ken 263HK can give him 1~2 chances. Even marisa is in the corner, her pressure still very high.
@@smugdarkly it's my gut feeling as well, even though I'm basically a beginner. Ken really doesn't have much bullshit to throw out in neutral,as in, some moves from Manon, Cammy, Honda (to name a few) are borderline or flat out unreactable, whereas Ken's stuff is good but outside of DR, you really can see it all coming.
Back in sf5 he explained his training. You handicap your moves/playstyle to get better. Its like this lets say you at your peak 100% and still want to get better, you play 80% skill/playstyle and get better that way. This way he gets in difficult situation more often and adapt to it in the process. I dont know if hes using that method in sf6 tho.
Daigo > 360 kick / low light punch / mildle light punch / power heavy low punch / midle light punch / midle heavy punch / light high punch / midle hight kick / low ligh kick / midle high kick / low light kick / ultra > ennemi use random ultra dodging by jump to make him look in is back and finish fight with heavy high punch in DA FACE [[[ total damage of combo equivalent = x2 heavy high punch from Marisa ]]]
This is truly a classic vs modern daigo is absolutely a classic player playing a classic character ken where as the player using modern controls is using a new character and using the new controls.
@@bellybell-14 izzy said This is truly a classic vs modern (match). A classic player playing a classic character: Ken-whereas the player using modern controls is also using a new, “modern” character. Sublime.
@@bellybell-14 For all we know he could be an old gen player playing a new character using the new Modern control scheme. A brand new player probably wouldn't have reached Master in such a short time
When Daigo feels disrespected and real contempt for an opponent. It rarely happens, but This is what it looks like. You can feel the disrespectful intent through the screen. Them 5 grabs was way TF outta line, the match just took a straight disrespectful turn after that. Made me feel like a kid huddled over an arcade machine watching the big dawgs! That feeling is how I KNOW!! that this street fighter is really incredible, Capcom knocked it out the park man fr fr.
I find Marisa as she is at the moment, modern or not, some of the worst gameplay in the game. She gets too much and she gets it too easy at seemingly every level of play
yea 5 throws in a row were hella disrespectful, kinda reminded me of when daigo shoryukened gamerbee 5 times in a row because gamerbee wouldn't stop pressing buttons, gamerbee got hit every time LOL!!
@@gertruidagertruida3920 I read about her and she is NOT trans like the rumor of Poison when she was introduced in Final Fight many years ago. Marisa is 100% woman. She is bisexual, but not trans.
@@karayi7239 50/50 is when your opponent is about to attack in two or more possible ways and you have to guess which one to defend. If you guess wrong you end up eating a meaty setup.
How does it do that? Anyone who uses classic controls and took the time over years to to learn the game and learn half circle, quarter circle moves and getting blisters on their thumbs should be commended. Mordern controls feels to me like capcom is spitting in the faces of those people. Yea you want to bring more people in but it's like Dark Souls a game that's hard as hell but the rewards for taking the time to grind and put in the work are worth it. If you want to play a one button one direction game should go play mortal Kombat not streetfighter.
@@donaldamaechi5671 it’s not that deep. Learning the commands and learning the game are kind of separate. We have all these “quarter circle” things just to get throw looped anyway. Plus those classic players are still rewarded as we get full combos and more damaging combos and better Bread and butter combos what’s the big deal. Tokido was playing modern and he switched back to classic if it were that good someone of that calibre would’ve stayed on modern and a lot of people would’ve joined him
Why is it impossible to wake up in SF6. I don't even know what I'm doing with Cammy. I'm Gold with Ken. I couldn't stand up 4 straight knockdowns DP wouldn't throw, parry doesn't work,crouching block doesn't work, throw doesn't work. So I get Cammy play around for 30 minutes. Now I'm 6-1 against Platinum players. I don't even know half her moves, thry couldn't stand up . Seriously broken
@@Nellifla There is no way a player at his level needs to play modern to get level 3 combos. Im a plat scrub and i very rarely drop level 3 in a combo. The instant super reaction is defiantly a bonus tho, i just dont think its worth it with Marisa.
@@SergioHernandez-le8wp its pretty common in games that require good reaction times and fast hands. Daigo is 42 years old his reaction time isnt as fast as it used to be i think hes been playing fighting games basically his whole life so im.sure the speed of his fingers isnt that slow yet.
This will never be hype to me. I hate M controls with a passion. Frame perfect controls with 2 buttons will never sit well with me. Shouldn't be allowed in Rank online imo.
they ate the throws because it's a guess between throw for 10% or take a counterhit combo at empty that would absolutely kill. they ate throw to get meter for lv 3 super
The only things with damage reduction are the one button specials, one button supers, and auto combos. Normal strikes have regular damage and Marisa hits like a truck to begin with.
Do you guys like the Yellow VFX for ken?
Nah I think Ken is more of a red guy
It looks cool but I really dig his original VFX
I think the original is perfect as is, but red or maybe if a black was done well, it would look cool
I’ve seen different colored fireballs too. How? Lol
@@KirksyBoutit PC Mods.
The 5 throws in a row killed me
killed Diago too :D
He really deserved that ultra to the face
Daigo having Phenom flashbacks xD
Daigo saw that coming, but somehow the ex dp didnt beat the CA.
We saw 5 throws, but they were having a psychological war in that moment about what is the next move of the other one
5:26 my jaw dropped, that like 3 frame dash back was crazy
Shame he couldn' t get that whiff punish that was clean as hell.
Bruh 4 throws into wake up lvl3.
I guess me and my friends have been playing at top level for years
Your friend can’t even do a delay tech correctly trust me your far from the top
5 throws
@@TypicalBlakknice sense of humor you got there bud
😂😂😂😂
@@hakobo2744 thanks anime pfp be sure to get laid!
8:02 :Marisa's punch times perfectly w the beat drop.
I'm impressed by how seemingly without effort Shuto plays M control and switch to C control without missing a beat. I play using C, was trying some stuff on M and often got a wrong input.
It's almost like learning a whole new game.
@jabron.destoroyahhave you tried turning release check on in the control menu? I did and it helps a ton with supers
@jabron.destoroyah I know, I feel the same. I played more on SF4 with Ryu, so nothing much changed. But I also miss a lot of conversions. And damn, it`s RYU!
@@digitalwarlock Agree!
@@G1nger519 I`m gonna try this, having the same issue sometimes.
modern Marisa feels like fighting a boss character ... lvl 3 hit confirms are disgusting
Gief and e Honda to man.
The Marisa Ken matchup is so fun to watch because they both have tools to handle each other’s moves so well.
Those hit confirms into lvl 3 by Marisa is the strength of modern.
that's literally what every marisa does though doesn't matter if its modern or classic
@@eclisis5080I think you're missing the point tho and it's obvious Modern control can execute the move way faster just like we saw here
@@jordanstanfield7361 yea for people who can't play sure, everyone knows you buffer supers they come out instant with classic controls there is no advantage, unless you don't know how to do that so you use modern to do the same thing, its always people who can't play making comments
@eclisis5080 Sure, you can buffer it, but you gotta be actively thinking about doing it. With modern controls, I do not have to think about hit confirming level 3 as hard as I would on classic. There was a moment where Shuto did crouching light jabs, the first hit was blocked but the moment he hit the second one he did level 3, I'd have to predict that he would get hit by the second crouch jab and then buffer in order to get it instantly on classic. With modern I just have to notice he got hit. I'm just saying this as a person who likes to play fighting games but is currently new and learning SF6 modern just makes hit confirming on random stuff easier.
@@HighDratedTKthe first jab wasnt blocked. This makes a huge difference as it probably means he was buffering the jab into super from outside of range to wiff punish something, rather than simply reacting to a hit in a block string as you suggested.
If what you said actually happened it would be cool but it didnt.
When it comes to the super, nothing he did here was inline with the strenght modern controls
5 throws in a row is crazy but super hyped matches. Thank u. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Daigo making Ken look like a grappler character
That his style in all SF series. Forward + Throw!
@Syonaga_Auron and pulling Shoryuken with the most out there timing.
SF3 had good throw pressure too; then came:
SF4
SF5
SF6
Throw loop city until a patch. It's entertaining as hell but Capcom does this shit on purpose.
It somehow feels like Daigo is forcing a certain playstyle on this version of Ken. I mean, the man is a genius so what do I know - but whenever I'm watching replays it feels like his super patients footsies Ken doesn't do as well as the more aggressive kind played by Angry Bird, Christ T etc. It feels like he gets beat up more than he should....
Maybe not the issue of daigo but japan has too many top players.
Besides, damage of marisa is too great.
Simply put, I think daigo can commit 2 big errors in one round only, but marisa can take 3(If we do not consider about SA).
Advantage of ken vs marisa, I think is the ability of corner carry, and ken 263HK can give him 1~2 chances.
Even marisa is in the corner, her pressure still very high.
@@smugdarkly it's my gut feeling as well, even though I'm basically a beginner. Ken really doesn't have much bullshit to throw out in neutral,as in, some moves from Manon, Cammy, Honda (to name a few) are borderline or flat out unreactable, whereas Ken's stuff is good but outside of DR, you really can see it all coming.
Back in sf5 he explained his training. You handicap your moves/playstyle to get better. Its like this lets say you at your peak 100% and still want to get better, you play 80% skill/playstyle and get better that way. This way he gets in difficult situation more often and adapt to it in the process. I dont know if hes using that method in sf6 tho.
@@smugdarkly I predict Ken will drop in Tier while Ryu will go up.
Well, even the most aggressive and best Ken like angrybird still cannot beat the power of Marissa. I'd say Diago did a good job..
Marissas damage is crazy. You have to work so much harder as Ken to KO her.
ken also has so much more to work with.
Marisa's unga bunga damage makes up for her lack of tools.
5:26 this is not human, this is The Beast 😮
Diago learns his opponents tendency and counters accordingly.
He's getting better
Daigo > 360 kick / low light punch / mildle light punch / power heavy low punch / midle light punch / midle heavy punch / light high punch / midle hight kick / low ligh kick / midle high kick / low light kick / ultra > ennemi use random ultra dodging by jump to make him look in is back and finish fight with heavy high punch in DA FACE [[[ total damage of combo equivalent = x2 heavy high punch from Marisa ]]]
This is truly a classic vs modern daigo is absolutely a classic player playing a classic character ken where as the player using modern controls is using a new character and using the new controls.
Huh?
@@bellybell-14 izzy said This is truly a classic vs modern (match). A classic player playing a classic character: Ken-whereas the player using modern controls is also using a new, “modern” character. Sublime.
@tybrows1361 ooooh I get you now. The legend vs the new gen blood
@@bellybell-14 For all we know he could be an old gen player playing a new character using the new Modern control scheme. A brand new player probably wouldn't have reached Master in such a short time
This music never gets old to me ❤
Them throws in a row threw me back to SFIV vibes when Daigo's main was Ryu.
nah diago is wild did he really just do 5 throws in a row and then a meaty dp LOL 1:30
Marissa went Ultra Instinct in that final round
looool the 4 throws in a row!! I'm dying! xD
A+ for using this music track!!’
that throw loops was CRAZY
Not like it takes any skill to step forward and hit throw 5x in a row lol, that was the least impressive thing in the video
@@mattyryon NEVER LET THEM KNOW YOUR NEXT MOVE
That Ken perfect parry was so sick
The pink VFX mod for Marisa would have gone well with her outfit.
I need to look that up
7:42 lol Amazing move
Daigo doing the throw loop is the most cheesiest shit I’ve seen in a long while 1:19
And it ends with a wake up super, literally peak street fighter
A simple jump or throw tech would stop it. How is that cheesy lol
I thought it was the best part lol
Looks like they scaled Ken's damage instead of Marissa.
That cvs2 song tho!! Hell yeah
I like the perfects on both sides
“Modern has a 20% damage reduction “ @1:00 a full Ken combo/super conversion did as much as one Marisa grab
Perfect parry scales hard. Not sure why daigo wasted the resources
When Daigo feels disrespected and real contempt for an opponent. It rarely happens, but This is what it looks like. You can feel the disrespectful intent through the screen. Them 5 grabs was way TF outta line, the match just took a straight disrespectful turn after that. Made me feel like a kid huddled over an arcade machine watching the big dawgs! That feeling is how I KNOW!! that this street fighter is really incredible, Capcom knocked it out the park man fr fr.
I find Marisa as she is at the moment, modern or not, some of the worst gameplay in the game. She gets too much and she gets it too easy at seemingly every level of play
@@Armitage01101 what? literally what do you mean? "some of the worst gameplay in the game"? bro you dont even understand what youre saying
yea 5 throws in a row were hella disrespectful, kinda reminded me of when daigo shoryukened gamerbee 5 times in a row because gamerbee wouldn't stop pressing buttons, gamerbee got hit every time LOL!!
modern shitters don't deserve respect
Using modern controls deserve this type of disrespect 😤 scrubs
Reminds me of instagib mode for FPS games like Unreal Tournament. One hit kills
The triple throw, they never see it coming
edit: WAIT, WAIT
What kills me is how some M control people play scrubby the whole match and then suddenly they get one hit and and become combo perfectionist lol
14:24 Such a swagalicious combo!
That was a good set to watch
As much as I like Daigo. I like this Marisa character. She's so cool.
marisa is trans so marisa is a man.. his original name is Manon but capcom switch it to marisa, since its too obvious
"They" 😂
🤢
@@gertruidagertruida3920 I read about her and she is NOT trans like the rumor of Poison when she was introduced in Final Fight many years ago. Marisa is 100% woman. She is bisexual, but not trans.
@@gerinja. Where does it say she’s bisexual? In the Arcade stories in game, she tries to marry Zangief.
Sometimes you just accept the throws or you will be under a meaty, 50/50 or shimmy setup.
what's the 50/50 there?
@@karayi7239 50/50 is when your opponent is about to attack in two or more possible ways and you have to guess which one to defend. If you guess wrong you end up eating a meaty setup.
The final final round 😮. Marissa picks him up to take him back to the beach to blow his cheeks out 😮
The homie opening with a perfect KO lfg
I wish these track were on Spotify 😢
OMG, amazing music ❤
Modern Akuma 😮 with the possibility to Raging Demon on command…
Blasphemy!!
upcoming tokido lmao
Str8 bs... lp lp forward heavy been the same for decades but now people only gota push down and a button. Can't tell me that aint right....
@@getrichtothis1585 finna be smiling doing that on people 😂 finna be a menace fr
@@getrichtothis1585 then just use modern, scrub. There's some silly pride going oe, that classic users fear too much about the one button CA.
Modern Marisa Madness
The Nerf is real 😢
That was an awesome matches🎉
yikes, that was intense
This M Marisa is a madness.
the Triple M combo
not a modern user but it is nice to see someone using modern beintg able to much someone lik Daigo holy crap
Can you put the music playlist in your videos! That’ll be awesome!
Why is there such a divide in what control you play… this literally betters the scene and creates a bigger ceiling for possibilities.
WRONG!
@@MADDSONN I don’t even play modern but I fully welcome them, it will evolve the game
How does it do that? Anyone who uses classic controls and took the time over years to to learn the game and learn half circle, quarter circle moves and getting blisters on their thumbs should be commended. Mordern controls feels to me like capcom is spitting in the faces of those people. Yea you want to bring more people in but it's like Dark Souls a game that's hard as hell but the rewards for taking the time to grind and put in the work are worth it. If you want to play a one button one direction game should go play mortal Kombat not streetfighter.
@@donaldamaechi5671 Show the court on the doll where the Modern Controls touched you...
@@donaldamaechi5671 it’s not that deep. Learning the commands and learning the game are kind of separate. We have all these “quarter circle” things just to get throw looped anyway. Plus those classic players are still rewarded as we get full combos and more damaging combos and better Bread and butter combos what’s the big deal. Tokido was playing modern and he switched back to classic if it were that good someone of that calibre would’ve stayed on modern and a lot of people would’ve joined him
I call the frame between 1:32 and 1:33 BS
Back and forth how many perfects?🤓🤓🤓🤓🔥🔥🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
at :57 is that a super perfect parry or something or am has that always been like that?
Just a perfect parry but i believe someone just modded it on PC bc Kens flames normally aren’t yellow
The music from Capcom vs SNK 2.
Truly definitive Modern experience.
Those throw loops LOL
The classic no mixup, mixup 😅
I was like "Surely he's not gonna do it a third..a fourth!?..a fifth!?!?"
What are the musics played on background? Can someone please tell me?
Do the ken fire effects change colors?
Must be modded
Why is it impossible to wake up in SF6. I don't even know what I'm doing with Cammy. I'm Gold with Ken. I couldn't stand up 4 straight knockdowns DP wouldn't throw, parry doesn't work,crouching block doesn't work, throw doesn't work.
So I get Cammy play around for 30 minutes. Now I'm 6-1 against Platinum players. I don't even know half her moves, thry couldn't stand up . Seriously broken
So, modern controls. Not so self nerfed as we were led to believe?
Only certain characters I've played against but zangrief Marissa and the jujitsu chick the damage is still op.
marissa looks like the balrog of sf6.
Mechnically I feel like she's closer to Hugo but yeah.
1:18 wtf am i watching lmfao
high level SF6 KEKW
Fearless against Daigo with M controls 😮
Final song sounds a lot like Tekken 7's SOUQ map
Daigo secret "play like street fighter 5"
When did streetfighter get so jugglery?
The loop is back?
Whole lot of perfects in this video.
The music remind me of capcom vs snk 2 music
Why play Modern Marisa ?
I just don’t see the upside
He can play classic marrisa too he plays modern for consistent level 3 combos
@@Nellifla There is no way a player at his level needs to play modern to get level 3 combos.
Im a plat scrub and i very rarely drop level 3 in a combo.
The instant super reaction is defiantly a bonus tho, i just dont think its worth it with Marisa.
Isn't it kinda lame when they use "modern" control? Does it at least do less damage than classic?
Does anybody have the names of those sick songs pls?
Marisa went karen mode at the last round
Music at 6:00?
And 15:00
FIVE IN A ROW?! xD
So, does Daigo just not win anymore? I keep finding videos, but they're all of him losing - i know I'm being a little facetious, but not really
Daigo is still master lol he is still one of the best but not top top best like he usually is hes old now he still streams on twitch tho
@@Nellifla it's just rough...it's rough
@@SergioHernandez-le8wp hes old now and washed
@Gamuza3 it's crazy to think that you can actually age out of competitive video gaming
@@SergioHernandez-le8wp its pretty common in games that require good reaction times and fast hands. Daigo is 42 years old his reaction time isnt as fast as it used to be i think hes been playing fighting games basically his whole life so im.sure the speed of his fingers isnt that slow yet.
guys, how to check the list of top rank modern ctrl player?
Bro DESERVED that lost for that throw spam LMAO
Ggs to both! Marisa is a beast!
Big lady punch hard action!
14:35 what?!
SNK Vs Capcom 3 When?
Please Capcooom!
1:37 what the hell was that?
Good game play
Shuto using Modern? I wanna see this in tournament lol
This will never be hype to me. I hate M controls with a passion. Frame perfect controls with 2 buttons will never sit well with me. Shouldn't be allowed in Rank online imo.
I havent even played training mode with modern controls, god can always see you. I dont want god to be ashamed of me
What is the BGM?
Modern control users disserve all the disrespect and I'm here for it 😁👍
Bro when daigo threw this newgen 5 times i died laughing
they ate the throws because it's a guess between throw for 10% or take a counterhit combo at empty that would absolutely kill. they ate throw to get meter for lv 3 super
who is the best luke modern control?
Tokido
Damn. Bro has 90k LP. 😮
damn! that marisa player literally owned daigo
I thought Shuto swapped to Classic?
I finally figured it out stf6 is more like king of fighter 😮😊
Is that the real Daigo ?
Lol marissa jab to level 3 did more damage than daigo doing a 4-5 hit into level 3.... modern controls are damage debuffed huh?
The only things with damage reduction are the one button specials, one button supers, and auto combos.
Normal strikes have regular damage and Marisa hits like a truck to begin with.
1st song?
NO ONE throws me 6 times in a row