To RTH: Take a second look at the bottom two comparison rows, at 4 minutes, 3 seconds. Are you sure that the comparison row for "Five-Point Calvinism" should be labeled that way? Or, if so, that the row above it ("Possibility of SAVED people apostatizing," emphasis added) should be labeled the way IT is? What the UPCI teaches about "saved" people apostatizing does not seem compatible with a claimed belief in the Perseverance of the Saints, unless they are defining "saved" merely to mean "outwardly-appearing to be saved, in the eyes of others" and not "known/elect to be saved in the eyes of God."
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks for clarifying. I'm a UPCI minister so you surprised me with that one. You are normally pretty spot on with each denomination. Lol
@@obscuredictionary3263 speaking in tongues is not salvation but it's part of salvation. If I've never heard of you speak in tongues then what is that to me?
@@wjdyr6261 Even when I was a Christian, I never understood speaking in tongues. If you wouldn't mind, could you explain what it is and why it's important?
6:40 “On alcohol.” I heard a joke that said “don’t ever bring a Baptist alone with you on a fishing trip because he will drink all your beer. Instead bring TWO Baptists with you and they won’t touch ANY of it.”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quickest way to offend an unbeliever is with the Word. Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Christians have enjoyed alcohol responsibly for millennia. It’s the Evangelicals who have come up with these Restorationist ideas on their own, and then they hold abstinence up as a litmus test for all Christians when they are the newer groups?? Ridiculous.
EVery Baptist I've known are drinkers when there's no other Baptist around and just like a sailor. Had a foreman when I was a younger man that was a teacher at a Baptist Church but at work he was a foul mouth individual and God knows I'm telling the truth there.
Oneness makes perfect sense to me. I've never understood the Trinity stuff. The bible has been perfectly clear since the bronze age time of the Patriarchs. There is only One God. One individual. One personality. If we are confused by a lot of the terminology that Jesus used in describing himself that is fine, (even when He walked the earth people were confused about who and what he was) but if I had to err regarding terminology I would always err on the side of strictly believing in only One Individual God. Jesus is the almighty God of the Old Testament manifested in flesh, he walked the earth in human form, Almighty God was the soul and spirit that inhabited the physical body of Jesus as he walked and ministered, and Almighty God/Jesus is the Holy Spirit that inhabits us when we are filled at salvation. One God...One Individual.
Jesus wasn't in the old testament, and I'm confused are you saying Jesus was manifested in the flesh as God, if so that would be the Trinity all is one, idk
Another great video. You are on my "go to" short list for UA-camrs I recommend to others who have questions. Thank you for heeding this Calling on your life. Not that it is the only one Abba has given you, rather you are using your Gifts in this way as Christ lead you is all.
Thanks for covering the UPCI. I'm close to Foursquare but find them to be a fascinating bunch. I didn't know they didn't allow for sports or televisions in the home.
As a licensed Foursquare pastor - I don’t deserve to keep my license if sports and TVs aren’t allowed 😉 While RTH is an excellent resource, there is some lacking in nuance in regards to Pentecostal/charismatic doctrine and history
When I got saved and healed by the ONE and only God who is Jesus, He made it real clear, that watching people who beat their girl friends and get drunk and worse in their off time for entertainment is being a partaker in other mens' sin. And would not allow me to become sanctified and Holy as Christ is Holy. Same thing for Hollywood and Disney. If you have NO knowlege or discernment about the wickedness of these worldly industries, seek the Lord, because you are the world. 1 John 2:15. If being around drunken blasphemers doesn't bother you, you're not saved you're decieved!
@@caborithe concept behind television was like anything else. We should ask ourselves why we don’t watch porn. Because of sin. So what is the difference between watching porn and murder? Or watching murder and lies? Or lies and thief’s. At the end we are putting sin in front of our eyes. So a lot of oneness churches spoke against television which basically puts every sin before your face. Something for each individual to dwell on.
I believe Christians do. The issue at hand is the manner in which God moves and heals. I’d say for F2 and UPCI Divine healing through people, the medicine and without either. For SBC Divine healing through medicine and directly.
I really love these comparison videos with the denominations next to each other... I would really like to see such a video for the Oriental-Orthodox churches :)
Been UPCI my whole life, love the coverage! That said, I don't think I've ever heard of foot washing and the TV guidelines have for the most part ended with the times.
Foot washing is still practiced in every UPCI church I have been in, granted they are all small. TV was banned for as long as I can remember and I grew up without it.
The UPCI still has in their Articles of Faith, a separate section on foot washing. In addition, they still state their admonition against having televisions in the home. While some years back they changed their Manual to make it so licensed ministers could own a TV, they have never officially changed their stand on what type of programs people should refrain from. This is spelled out in their position paper on the use of media.
@@ReadyToHarvest That would be awesome! I have a grandfather who was formerly UPCI and is now Church of God. He loves your videos! At his church, he is the S.S. teacher of their doctrine class. That video (along with all of your others) would prove invaluable!
I was thinking the same thing since both have holiness foundations. I always felt that the Apostolic Pentecostals and the COG felt similar with the difference mainly being the Godhead theology.
That's not unique to the UPCI, though. Classical Pentecostals have generally taught the same thing, especially during the earlier years of the movement.
The Oneness Pentecostals put there pastors up in a pedestal as if he were Jesus himself 🤦🏻♂️ & try to control your issues in your personal life.. im in Foursquare and it’s definitely different in a good way and happy with my choice.
According to the UPCI you’re not saved unless you’re baptized fully immersed in water in their church in the name of Jesus. Try doing that in the dead of winter in the North Pole or in the dessert where it’s bone dry!
To RTH: What, precisely, is meant by a "post-salvation entire sanctification experience?" I'm unfamiliar with that phraseology. Are we talking about something that takes place in this life, or something in the afterlife? And, which group teaches "the necessity" of such a thing?
The Methodists are the ones who talk about entire sanctification. Entire sanctification is a post-baptism state of 'Christian perfection', wherein one totally accepts the spirit and loves their neighbor so completely that they no longer sin. It's usually held to be a temporary state, but it doesn't have to be. Look up 'Wesleyan theology' if you're curious, I won't pretend to know all about it.
@@noahmarx8297: Thanks, Noah! I was aware of Wesleyan theology talking about post-baptismal sanctification, although I wasn't aware of them using that particular phraseology. I guess what confused me was someone talking about "the necessity" of such a thing. Necessity...for what? For salvation? Does any Christian group teach that a person must, after baptism, also achieve a state of total ongoing sinlessness? I'm confident the Methodist church at which I served as a musician for many years didn't teach THAT. So, I will look up "Wesleyan theology" as you recommend. But at the moment, I remain skeptical that Wesleyans as a whole, or any other large Christian group, are teaching a "necessity" of "entire" sanctification in this life for salvation -- which seems to best fit the wording of the RTH question. So, that leaves me uncertain about what RTH was referencing.
@@cw-on-yt That makes sense. My guess, which I haven't researched very thoroughly, is that the idea of an entire sanctification experience as necessary for salvation probably stems from Methodists who got really on board with the Holiness Movement. That's where Pentecostalism comes from, after all. Good luck finding out!
Catholic kid (baptized as infant) grows up, feels un-fed at his parish, and switches to UPCI. The UPCI minister says, "Uh, sorry, we're going to have to re-baptize you; your first one didn't count." UPCI kid (baptized at age nine) grows up, thinks his church might be a recent, novel spinoff of Christianity, starts reading the Church Fathers, and winds up becoming Catholic. The RCIA director says, "Uh, sorry, we're going to have to re-baptize you; your first one didn't count." Such lovely symmetry!
@@susansapp5860: Yes, obviously. Everyone agrees. But, that isn't what's under discussion at the moment. Please try to remain topical. (BTW, I don't suppose you're in any way related to Gina and Rhonda Sapp of Dublin, GA, are you?)
@@creepingsancy: The various Orthodox churches, much like any other groups, feature a blending of different sorts. There are good and holy priests; and then, there are what we might call the "Ortho-Bros." The former would say something serene and prudent; the latter would say something sneering and pompous. (But the "something serene and prudent" would certainly be pro-Trinitarian.)
There are trinitarians who reject the eternal sonship. There are trinitarians who reject the eternal sonship Adam Clark the commentator did and Walter Martin as well.
The difference between "trinity and oneness" is semantics. Look into them both and you'll see it is essentially the same core belief that God is one. Only one group calls his forms "manifestations" and the other group calls his forms "persons"
Only one of those terms is found in the bible - manifestations. And that makes all the difference in believing in the true One God revealed in Scripture, or in what is basically tritheism. So no, they are not essentially the same. The difference is biblical not semantical.
So if mere semantics, why did one of those feel the need to persecuted, hunt down, murder and torture anyone who didn't accept their mere semantic different view? AND IT WASNT MONARCHIAN/ ONENESS doing the killing! Why did both the MOTHER Mystery Babylon and then her offspring harlots feel the right to burn at the stake, drown women kill them and torture them? [You think that is Christianity equal to the other? ] How come we can't find the Trinitarian view pop up till mid 2nd century in a very disjointed way and first termed Trinitas till the 3rd century and formulated at Nicea in the 4th almost 3oo yrs after Christ's death. But the Original Orthodoxy was Modalist Monarchian. Held the Bishopric of Rome , IGNATIUS was Monarchian per his writings in the middle recension. That the Bishops of Jerusalem almost assuredly never said a thing about 3 persons, persons in a Godhead, or Trinity period. The first guy who coined the word , stated the majority of believers in his day were those who rejected the economia ( the 3 in 1) and held the Monarchy. HIPPOLYTUS a antiBishop of Rome was a fellow who stood against the Bishops of Rome who were conservative Monarchians and who excommunicated him and not KILL HIM. NO I REJECT YOUR IDEA AND WRITTEN COMMENT. I deny Trinitarians are Christians.
The issue is that true atonement cannot be accounted for in the oneness view since they believe Jesus is the Father. 1. The incarnation is temporary in their view. No hypostatic union. Stark difference from the Trinity. 2. They don't believe Jesus is truly interceding for us today, before the Father, as it states in Hebrews. This is an important part of salvation. 3. They don't have a unified definition on what happened to Jesus after he ascended. Dr. David Bernard teaches that the human spirit of Jesus was absorbed by the Father and therefore the spirits merged in heaven. 4. In order for oneness to make sense, we have to commit a few heresies...nestorianism, patripassianism, monophysitism. 5. The semantics may appear the same, but the underlying definitions, unfortunately, lead to error. I say all this with love, in Christ. ❤
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 You don't understand the Dual Nature of Jesus, As God he is 100% Spirit, as the man Christ He is 100% man Christ. The HS is the Spirit of God coursing it's way through the Christ and in emanation working on and in men. Jesus said he was such in John 14, both Father and His and yet was that Son speaking. In O.T. YHWH spoke that they shall look at me whom they pierced, that is not a 2nd person, that is the GOD and counting his body of flesh he begot in time as his own . Zech.12:10 You also don't understand the proof of Heis Theos, One God, Heis is a masculine one and means a cardinal numeral one and not a composite one like the Greek word Hen. Thayer, Robertson, Gingrich and Bauer all attest it is one, Thayer say as one person. Gal.3:20 Amplified says God is one person.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 Also, don't say what we do or do not believe, we wholly believe Jesus a kinsmen redeemer and not a 2nd person in a godhead paid the price. You people make up non biblical terms constantly to support your idea of things it never says. Historically your Trinity didn't come out till ca 210 a.d. and was a minority view till at least 222a.d. when the first Catholic Trinitarian get the Bishopric of Rome from Monarchians, then it didn't take you're Mother church long to start persecuting and abusing power. Tertullian who coined the word said the majority were startled at the economia ( three in one) in that their rule of Faith withdraws them from the world's plurality of gods. Tertullian said they called him a preacher of 2 and 3 gods and they held the Monarchy. We hold the same you people are Worshiping 3 god or gods.
Could you do a video about The church of God and Church of God of Prophecy? (Both are in Cleveland TN) I’ve attended both and don’t really know the difference between the two.
The title of this is wrong on both sides. God is a Spirit not a person. John 4:24. The only person of the godhead is Jesus Christ who came in the flesh. Scripture is very clear.
For a short Video, this was great. As someone who was raised in the UPCI and now Foursquare. I can say there are 2 major things you left off this list. The legalism of the UPCI is more than a side note on one of your points. It is equated with salvation in the UPCI. Also, the glorification/worship/forced reverence of pastors and the higher archy of the UPCI denominational leadership. This strongly differs from Foursquare.
@@noothername6199 I guess I have been set free from the UPC for so long that all of those things are just silly to me now, but when I was in the UPC they all seemed to make sense. The worst part of being deceived is while you are being deceived you don't know it.
@@bobmeydam3109 Yes, deceived by dress code rules, commandments of men. But they swear theyre all bible. That is by their private interpretation. But the New Test says dress modest thats it.They also control what you watch, listen too in fact your whole life is controlled by them And they constantly use fear , when I was there I was always fearful of everything and lived in a constant state of fear . that is one way they control you. You cant even wear a wedding ring, women have to walk around pregnant with no wedding on , like your not married. Thats Pure evil. My family is still in . When youre there you dont see because youre lrainwashed by it . Divide The Word Blog has many videos on recovering from "Spiritual Abuse", they really helped me. Im non denominational but I think the one thing they got right is Acts 2:38-39
@@noothername6199 As someone who was set free from that bad religion into grace and freedom. I call it covenant 1.5, or covenant windows vista. It’s not the old covenant, but it definitely is not the new covenant. Here is the very short version of my story. I will never forget the day I was sitting in church still believing the lies of the old Oneness religion “UPC”, but not attending one of their church, because of how terrible they treated me. The pastor of the trinitarian “Four Square” church I was attending was teaching on the Abrahamic covenant. Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “If Jesus did not physically exist at that time. Father God could not of asked Abraham to make a covenant and use Isaac, because one covenant member cannot ask something of the other that he cannot currently provide.” My life was forever changed. I was instantly set free from the bad theology and broke out in laughter in the Spirit. I will say I have seen and experienced so much of the Holy Spirit with miracles, signs, and wonders since leaving the UPC. A long time ago I attended Gateway bible college in St. Louis. I still remember in basic bible doctrine calls the teacher Blackburn stated and had the class repeat “There are no new revelations! There are no new revelations! There are only new illuminations. The Canon is closed! There are no new revelations!” The truth is nothing could be further from the truth. If there are no new revelations then God is dead and not talking. In that simple statement and ideology, it is very clear to see that the UPC has no idea who or what the Holy Spirit is. God is good and He has never stopped speaking to His children. God does talk and instruct us through his written Word, but Holy Spirit will lead and guide us in all paths of life. The UPC miss represents Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Jesus says “I never knew you.” He doesn’t say. You did not have the correct revelation of what was stated in my Word. He doesn’t say you did not talk in tongues enough. You had too many sins on you. Or anything like that. He says “I never knew you.” So if there is no new revelation then how can we get to know someone who is alive if they don’t talk and say new things today? Anyway, God is so much bigger than the very small box the UPC puts Him into. Ask God to show more of Himself to you. He is only good and He will do just that.
@@bobmeydam3109 You do know the trinity was invented by Constantine and the Catholic Church, they worship and pray to Mary. also, they confess their sins to a catholic priest Not God. I still believe God was manifested in the Flesh like 1 Timothy 3:16 says. Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the Everlasting Father Even Jesus says ,The first of all commandments is, Hear O Israel ,the Lord our God is One Lord. Philip said to Jesus, Show me the Father .I want to see the father. Jesus said, how have I been with you Philip ?When you see Me, You’ve Seen the Father . I still believe one God because of the Bible .Not the Upc . You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water . That’s one of the few things they got right I know what you mean about getting offended by some of their people, but there can be jerks in any church. In fact when I left Upc I went and visited a different church with no standards and one of the people there I thought was very rude to me .There can be jerks in any church When you talk about new revelations Do you mean a new bible? Old and New Testament says you cannot Add or Take from them.
This is like when I was younger and I argued with my friends about who would win in a fight, Hulk or Superman. When I got older, I realized that both are fictional characters and it would be the writer to decide who won. Then I got older and realized it would be the companies that owned the IP who would decide. A writer can write whatever they want, but it’s the company that decides what to accept and publish. It’s still fascinating to watch people argue and debate over the nature of Jesus Christ and Yahweh.
Orthodox: We believe in One God, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, a Holy Consubstantial and Undivided Trinity! We say in the *name* of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Name is singular form when the faces are three. But it’s one God and it has one name. We don’t say in the names… because they are not three different Gods! The God is one but He has three hypostasis! In the New Testament, Apostles asked Christ when they’re gonna see the Father and the Holy Spirit and Christ said to them if you have seen me you have seen the Father and the Holy Spirit, because we are one! God is one!
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. 16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
Also another share thing among all three denomination is the celebration of Heathen and pagan holidays. Even though some churches in the UPCi do not celebrate the Roman Catholic holidays.
True God is One person. So why believe he has no Son? He has angels, called 'sons of God' ( Job 1:6) why not a Son? So when the bible specifically states that "God loved the world so much, he gave his only begotten son". UPCI dont believe thats true! God then just turned part of himself into a man? So when Jesus earnestly prayed to his Father, that was just an act? There was no love of a son for a Father? No sacrifice in showing supreme love for mankind by giving up the most precious possession for us? I dont believe in the trinity either but this is just as bad. In fact UPCI cannot be Christian by definition!
I have never understood the trinity. After approximately 50 years of attending a variety of denomination all of them trinitarian and trying like crazy to study(books and podcasts of theologians in its support), prayer, and bible study, this doctrine just does not make sense to me even to this day it always seems like a lot of mental loopdy loops accompanied by a mystery of faith.
Isaiah 9:6 says a lot to me regarding the ONENESS OF GOD. I'm a daughter, mother, and a processor, but those are titles/roles of mine. I'm not 3 persons.
I have heard many UPCI pastors quote from other translations outside of the KJV and NKJV. I wonder if this is doctrinal or suggested? There is a video on this from the UPCI General Superintendent, David K Bernard. ua-cam.com/video/PLA1dCWqCsU/v-deo.html. that kind of says otherwise.
@@convertedsinner9536 hello! I’m a ex-UPCI, but still hold to oneness views of the Godhead. I still believe the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation. I don’t view the trinitarian mode of baptism to be inaccurate, because essentially “in Jesus Name” and “in the name of the father, son, and Holy Spirit” are talking about the same name: Jesus. There is only one name given among scripture of which men must be saved, and that’s Jesus! If you are not born of water AND the spirit, you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Did not the Lord of the Church say that we must baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost in Matthew 28:19? How do you get around that? Are Oneness Unitarians wiser than Jesus?
@@MethodistPreacher Hello, These Oneness people exegete scripture like Roman Catholics or Protestant liberals, and not like the reformers, whom I suspect they look down on. The church from the beginning was Trinitarian. The Holy spirit is not a mere influence but one who speaks [1 Tim.4:1]; and Jesus is eternal with the Father, John 8:58, Genesis 18:1,11, 12, 33, Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6. The High Priestly prayer of Jesus in John 17 is Trinitarian. Maybe it is not included in the Oneness Bible.
@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 nice shots at the Catholic (Latin Rite) Church. Have you ever considered why there's 100s, if not 1000s of splits since the reformation? How does truth split? Would Jesus want his Church to be splintered?
@@Normicgander The Reformation was not a dispute over semantics. The Catholic Church is not sound doctrinally. Justification is by faith alone, Hab 2:4, Romans 1:17, 11:6., Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38, Phil. 3:9, Titus 3:5-6, and GALATIANS 2:21. That last verse plays taps over the Roman Church or anything like it. Most important of all is the fact that your church traded the pulpit for an altar when it embraced the teachings of Radburtus. Your priests have become magicians. If the apostles returned, they would distance themselves from Romanism or anything like it. Of that I am certain.
@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 we agree the Church was in need of reforms, but Martin Luther went too far. Even he was dismayed by the turmoil within the "reformers." You quoted scripture with typical bigoted, rubbish talk and didn't answer my questions. Let's face it, you are paid to maintain the revolt. I would bet you have to justify your false doctrines at every "service" by bashing the Catholic Church. Sad...
TRINITARIAN: ✝️ I don't belong to any of these organizations and honestly, with all this qualifying, these groups are sounding more like fraternities rather than churches! 😒🙄😜
Some may have fallen away from it, but I don't know any. So e people called Unitarian don't believe Jesus is God, but they are not OP, or Monarchians as far as I know. Unitarians that reject Jesus as God are not fellowshipped at all as far as I have ever heard. We have in the past been called Unitarians, Ed Delcour called me one recently, though he just likes to pop off and smear us and not stand up to scrutiny.
@@ReadyToHarvestQuestion I have to you after watching this and reading a lot of comments, are you Four Square or SBC since you brought those 2 up to compare? You seem fair and better than most in talking about Oneness. I have some questions for you, I see a few books in the background . Do you have any Oneness books and by whom, how many? I mainly think most Trinies would rather fight than switch ( like the old Tarleton cigarette commercial) but most all have never studied, investigated Oneness. Few have ever had more than 1 or 2 books on us. I have more Trinitarian books and reference material by them, than Oneness and I have a very large Oneness # of authored books almost 400. I just bought over 10 in last 2 weeks. Another question what study have you done in 2nd and 3rd centuries about Oneness and where is trinitarians there? How do you justify the voluminous amount of murders , torture, persecution, Creeds with Anathema clause, done by Catholic and Protestantism and have you ever found Monarchians doing so in return? Last for now John 1:1 who or what is God in the passage ? Thank you
Neo Pentecostals are lost, so is Liberal Protestantism. So you're basically going to a false religion, Catholicism Light, that's basically what the Orthodox church is.
@bornagainsaint69 I appreciate your heart, but you’re wrong about orthodox being being Catholicism. Watch more of Joshua’s videos and you might catch the difference. And the fact that you claim one particular denomination is “lost” tells me a lot about your belief system. Bless you bro
@@Mikolai206 , My belief system is a Biblical one, essential Christian doctrine as described by God's word. I'm a Biblical born again Christian, that's it. Anything Liberal claiming to be Christian IS NOT, whether Protestant or Evangelical, we already know Roman Catholicism has never been true. The Orthodox resembles Roman Catholicism might be a little different My Only question to you would be is how do you obtain Salvation?? What's the Gospel of Jesus Christ?? Ok two questions.
@@bornagainsaint6923 Hopefully I can answer on behalf of the Church, though if my answer has imperfections they are mine and not the Church's. The basic belief of the Orthodox Church is known as Theosis. It essentially means to become gods by grace. That may sound scary so hopefully I can protestantize it for you. The idea is that mankind was made in the image and likeness of God in order to rule over the world on God's behalf. This, of course, went awry when Adam fell and man became distanced from God's Grace. However, it is through the God-man Jesus Christ that human nature was restored. This restoration of human nature allows for man to receive the Sprit of God and then work with the Spirit, which is salvation. This is a sort of replication of the God-man within us, though we can never be ontologically God, we can be "adopted" as his sons, in the image of the Father's only Son. So in this sense it is the cooperation with God that constitutes salvation, as opposed to cooperation with God is obtains or "earns" salvation. We would also add that the good works produced in salvation are of God, which we obtain through his Holy Spirit through faith and repentance, though these words may not be used in the exact same way as in the west.
@@JamaicanHopscotchMafia , I think i agree with you, not quite sure Let's see if you agree with me. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy Through faith in what Jesus Christ did on the Cross, His death, shedding of blood for sin and His resurrection. So basically when you hear the gospel and you Repent and Believe by faith you are Born Again ( John 3.3) Spiritually the Holy Spirit dwells in You, You are now a new creature or creation in Christ Jesus. I like to quote God's Word, so I'll use EPHESIANS 2.4-10: But God, who is rich in Mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive Together with Christ ( by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in ages to come He might show the exceedingly riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by Grace You have been Saved Through Faith, and that not of Yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. You notice the past tense in " you have been saved" Salvation is yours when you Repent and believe through faith in What Jesus Christ did for us. If you notice Jesus Christ had a Repentance ministry, just like the prophets and apostles. The Gospel or Good News is so easy to understand but Religion complicates it with rituals, traditions, and sacraments.
No, tongues at least is very much Not a Thing in most SB churches. As for the baptism of the Spirit, I believe there are times when you feel the Spirit’s presence more, but we definitely believe everyone receives the Spirit at salvation.
As far as I know, at the Baptist I attended for a while, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is when you accept Jesus, and you can only speak in strange tongues if there is an interpretation.
@@danielgomes9084 the bible says: Acts 2:4 KJV - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 10:46 KJV - For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 1 Corinthians 14:39 KJV - Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. If you go to a church that doesn't preach and believe this, keep looking...you have not found a church yet
Good presentation. I’m looking into non trinitarian denominations, did you say UPCI believe that there is one God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are manifestions of God? So can I assume they (UPCI) don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God?
@@wjdyr6261 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” John 16:27-28 The Father did not become his own Son. The begetting of the Son is eternal or the Father was not always a Father and you'd have to reject the eternal Fatherhood. The idea of "coming forth" here is being used to convey the same thing as a natural son coming forth from his father. The begetting of the Son from the Father is eternal because the Father has always been the Father and He does not need to create humans for this to be the case.
@@wjdyr6261 is not either yes or no, it's both and. but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that *the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”* John 10:38 Being "in" the other doesn't mean the Father is the Son. It has to do with how the persons of the Godhead interpenetrate the other. In this context, the Father and Son are working together as one in salvation. I'd like to get your take on John 16:27 from my previous post. In my conversations with oneness folks, I often find they almost never interact with the bible but instead try and reason either from their understanding or go to other verses.
If you tell the pastor about the tithing Doctrines there will excommunicate you tithes was never money it was food but it's good business callecting money you can do a lot with money
Not getting born again and overcoming will land you in eternal hell. The Pastor is a God given position. Of course you need to obey the Pastor but not when it violates God's word. But if you go to church to do your own thing you're in the wrong place. Just be a practicing sinner and falsely enjoy your wait for hell
That's a wide brush you paint with. All of the Christian denominations are man conceived, so all are wrong in some way. What I find is that God in His infinite wisdom didn't give all the truth to any one group, but each group received a portion. The thing is to fellowship, look at the differences, review them in scripture, and wait for the revelation. When the church comes together in humility, realizing that no one has the whole picture, then we can reason together and begin to make sense of it all as the Holy Ghost gives us, collectively, the revelation.
I agree. Modalism was considered a heresy from almost the beginning days of the church. I do not believe there is such a thing as non-trinitarian Christianity. Denying the Trinity puts you outside Christian orthodoxy.
I find it amusing that people say United Pentecostals dictate how you live or play sports or watch TV.That never has happened to me.And I doubt it ever would .Maybe I’m just so scary looking and no one dares .
The Oneness Pentecostals put there pastors up in a pedestal as if he were Jesus himself 🤦🏻♂️ & try to control your issues in your personal life.. im in Foursquare and it’s definitely different in a good way and happy with my choice.
To RTH:
Take a second look at the bottom two comparison rows, at 4 minutes, 3 seconds. Are you sure that the comparison row for "Five-Point Calvinism" should be labeled that way? Or, if so, that the row above it ("Possibility of SAVED people apostatizing," emphasis added) should be labeled the way IT is?
What the UPCI teaches about "saved" people apostatizing does not seem compatible with a claimed belief in the Perseverance of the Saints, unless they are defining "saved" merely to mean "outwardly-appearing to be saved, in the eyes of others" and not "known/elect to be saved in the eyes of God."
Yes, that should say "deny" five point calvinism as I say in the video. Good catch.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks for clarifying. I'm a UPCI minister so you surprised me with that one. You are normally pretty spot on with each denomination. Lol
@@joshcopple1744 do you believe that those who don’t speak in tongues goes to hell?
@@obscuredictionary3263 speaking in tongues is not salvation but it's part of salvation. If I've never heard of you speak in tongues then what is that to me?
@@wjdyr6261 Even when I was a Christian, I never understood speaking in tongues. If you wouldn't mind, could you explain what it is and why it's important?
6:40 “On alcohol.”
I heard a joke that said “don’t ever bring a Baptist alone with you on a fishing trip because he will drink all your beer. Instead bring TWO Baptists with you and they won’t touch ANY of it.”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quickest way to offend an unbeliever is with the Word. Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
@@deamenique are you born again?
Christians have enjoyed alcohol responsibly for millennia. It’s the Evangelicals who have come up with these Restorationist ideas on their own, and then they hold abstinence up as a litmus test for all Christians when they are the newer groups?? Ridiculous.
EVery Baptist I've known are drinkers when there's no other Baptist around and just like a sailor. Had a foreman when I was a younger man that was a teacher at a Baptist Church but at work he was a foul mouth individual and God knows I'm telling the truth there.
You always do a great job in explaining these differences between different churches. Thank you for your doing theses comparisons
I once was a trinitarian who now accepts the oneness doctrine, best thing I have ever done. faith alone in Christ alone ❤.
I was once a oneness adherent, but I now embrace the doctrine of the Trinity. Why reject the Trinity when it's the biblical view?
Oneness makes perfect sense to me. I've never understood the Trinity stuff. The bible has been perfectly clear since the bronze age time of the Patriarchs. There is only One God. One individual. One personality. If we are confused by a lot of the terminology that Jesus used in describing himself that is fine, (even when He walked the earth people were confused about who and what he was) but if I had to err regarding terminology I would always err on the side of strictly believing in only One Individual God. Jesus is the almighty God of the Old Testament manifested in flesh, he walked the earth in human form, Almighty God was the soul and spirit that inhabited the physical body of Jesus as he walked and ministered, and Almighty God/Jesus is the Holy Spirit that inhabits us when we are filled at salvation. One God...One Individual.
Yup
There’s more scripture on oneness
Jesus wasn't in the old testament, and I'm confused are you saying Jesus was manifested in the flesh as God, if so that would be the Trinity all is one, idk
@@josephstroud-oj6tjBefore Abraham was I AM….
Another great video. You are on my "go to" short list for UA-camrs I recommend to others who have questions. Thank you for heeding this Calling on your life. Not that it is the only one Abba has given you, rather you are using your Gifts in this way as Christ lead you is all.
Such a timely video after the conversation of Allen Parr and Marcus Rogers
Thanks for covering the UPCI. I'm close to Foursquare but find them to be a fascinating bunch. I didn't know they didn't allow for sports or televisions in the home.
As a licensed Foursquare pastor - I don’t deserve to keep my license if sports and TVs aren’t allowed 😉
While RTH is an excellent resource, there is some lacking in nuance in regards to Pentecostal/charismatic doctrine and history
Lol. Jeffrey Epstein and John McAfee didn't kill themselves
They do allow sports and televisions now. It was an old rule in the past.
When I got saved and healed by the ONE and only God who is Jesus, He made it real clear, that watching people who beat their girl friends and get drunk and worse in their off time for entertainment is being a partaker in other mens' sin. And would not allow me to become sanctified and Holy as Christ is Holy. Same thing for Hollywood and Disney. If you have NO knowlege or discernment about the wickedness of these worldly industries, seek the Lord, because you are the world. 1 John 2:15. If being around drunken blasphemers doesn't bother you, you're not saved you're decieved!
@@caborithe concept behind television was like anything else. We should ask ourselves why we don’t watch porn. Because of sin. So what is the difference between watching porn and murder? Or watching murder and lies? Or lies and thief’s. At the end we are putting sin in front of our eyes. So a lot of oneness churches spoke against television which basically puts every sin before your face. Something for each individual to dwell on.
I'm a UPCI minister and it's sad to think there are Christians today who don't believe God is still moving and healing his people.
I believe Christians do. The issue at hand is the manner in which God moves and heals. I’d say for F2 and UPCI Divine healing through people, the medicine and without either. For SBC Divine healing through medicine and directly.
I’m Church of God and I agree with you. I still preach divine healing. I’ve seen it too much not to believe
Whoa Josh!! I can’t believe I found you in the comments of this random video I found. That’s awesome!!😂
And I totally agree!
As long as they are saved by grace through Jesus then all these secondary issues are not as important as accepting the gift of salvation.
God moves. When God moved in me it was so profound I wept.
A very nice video comparison on important biblical beliefs. Very well done and spot on choosing topics.
I really love these comparison videos with the denominations next to each other... I would really like to see such a video for the Oriental-Orthodox churches :)
I'm hoping for an Ethiopian one.
@@thursoberwick1948 Yeah that would be cool!
LoL 😆! The one thing they all agree on is tithing! Of course! 😆 🤣 😂
Who in the UPCI considers feet washing a sacrament? It’s a tradition in some churches but not a sacrament.
Thanx, Joshua. Very helpful🌹🌹🌹
Been UPCI my whole life, love the coverage! That said, I don't think I've ever heard of foot washing and the TV guidelines have for the most part ended with the times.
Foot washing is still practiced in every UPCI church I have been in, granted they are all small. TV was banned for as long as I can remember and I grew up without it.
TVs are band but UA-cam obviously isn’t lol. That’s an innocent joke for the record. I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ
@@lenalena1719 Must be some rural American thing.
No, I live in the fourth largest city in America, they still have the same rules and stuff here
The UPCI still has in their Articles of Faith, a separate section on foot washing. In addition, they still state their admonition against having televisions in the home. While some years back they changed their Manual to make it so licensed ministers could own a TV, they have never officially changed their stand on what type of programs people should refrain from. This is spelled out in their position paper on the use of media.
Awesome video! Can you do one comparing the UPCI to the Church of God (Cleveland, TN)? I may be biased though. ;)
I probably should!
@@ReadyToHarvest That would be awesome! I have a grandfather who was formerly UPCI and is now Church of God. He loves your videos! At his church, he is the S.S. teacher of their doctrine class. That video (along with all of your others) would prove invaluable!
I was thinking the same thing since both have holiness foundations. I always felt that the Apostolic Pentecostals and the COG felt similar with the difference mainly being the Godhead theology.
Great job, thank you!
The most ridiculous part of UPCI's view isn't their rejection of the Trinity. It's the "You aren't saved unless you speak in tongues" part.
That's not unique to the UPCI, though. Classical Pentecostals have generally taught the same thing, especially during the earlier years of the movement.
The Oneness Pentecostals put there pastors up in a pedestal as if he were Jesus himself 🤦🏻♂️ & try to control your issues in your personal life.. im in Foursquare and it’s definitely different in a good way and happy with my choice.
Right i guess its only them and Jesus in heaven in there eyes 🙄
It's so bad I've seen people being coached to do it during alter calls.
According to the UPCI you’re not saved unless you’re baptized fully immersed in water in their church in the name of Jesus. Try doing that in the dead of winter in the North Pole or in the dessert where it’s bone dry!
To RTH: What, precisely, is meant by a "post-salvation entire sanctification experience?" I'm unfamiliar with that phraseology.
Are we talking about something that takes place in this life, or something in the afterlife? And, which group teaches "the necessity" of such a thing?
The Methodists are the ones who talk about entire sanctification. Entire sanctification is a post-baptism state of 'Christian perfection', wherein one totally accepts the spirit and loves their neighbor so completely that they no longer sin. It's usually held to be a temporary state, but it doesn't have to be. Look up 'Wesleyan theology' if you're curious, I won't pretend to know all about it.
@@noahmarx8297:
Thanks, Noah! I was aware of Wesleyan theology talking about post-baptismal sanctification, although I wasn't aware of them using that particular phraseology.
I guess what confused me was someone talking about "the necessity" of such a thing. Necessity...for what? For salvation?
Does any Christian group teach that a person must, after baptism, also achieve a state of total ongoing sinlessness? I'm confident the Methodist church at which I served as a musician for many years didn't teach THAT.
So, I will look up "Wesleyan theology" as you recommend. But at the moment, I remain skeptical that Wesleyans as a whole, or any other large Christian group, are teaching a "necessity" of "entire" sanctification in this life for salvation -- which seems to best fit the wording of the RTH question.
So, that leaves me uncertain about what RTH was referencing.
@@cw-on-yt That makes sense. My guess, which I haven't researched very thoroughly, is that the idea of an entire sanctification experience as necessary for salvation probably stems from Methodists who got really on board with the Holiness Movement. That's where Pentecostalism comes from, after all. Good luck finding out!
Catholic kid (baptized as infant) grows up, feels un-fed at his parish, and switches to UPCI. The UPCI minister says, "Uh, sorry, we're going to have to re-baptize you; your first one didn't count."
UPCI kid (baptized at age nine) grows up, thinks his church might be a recent, novel spinoff of Christianity, starts reading the Church Fathers, and winds up becoming Catholic. The RCIA director says, "Uh, sorry, we're going to have to re-baptize you; your first one didn't count."
Such lovely symmetry!
Love this! So now where does the SBC fit?
There is NO Other Name by which we Must Be Saved, Salvation is ONLY IN The NAME of THE LORD JESUS.
** ACTS 4:12**
@@susansapp5860: Yes, obviously. Everyone agrees. But, that isn't what's under discussion at the moment. Please try to remain topical.
(BTW, I don't suppose you're in any way related to Gina and Rhonda Sapp of Dublin, GA, are you?)
But, but, but......what would the orthodox church say?
@@creepingsancy: The various Orthodox churches, much like any other groups, feature a blending of different sorts. There are good and holy priests; and then, there are what we might call the "Ortho-Bros." The former would say something serene and prudent; the latter would say something sneering and pompous. (But the "something serene and prudent" would certainly be pro-Trinitarian.)
There are trinitarians who reject the eternal sonship. There are trinitarians who reject the eternal sonship Adam Clark the commentator did and Walter Martin as well.
Great video, Joshua!
There is only one person, and that is God.
From that one person come all created beings.
wow, this is a great video!
The difference between "trinity and oneness" is semantics. Look into them both and you'll see it is essentially the same core belief that God is one. Only one group calls his forms "manifestations" and the other group calls his forms "persons"
Only one of those terms is found in the bible - manifestations. And that makes all the difference in believing in the true One God revealed in Scripture, or in what is basically tritheism. So no, they are not essentially the same. The difference is biblical not semantical.
So if mere semantics, why did one of those feel the need to persecuted, hunt down, murder and torture anyone who didn't accept their mere semantic different view? AND IT WASNT MONARCHIAN/ ONENESS doing the killing!
Why did both the MOTHER Mystery Babylon and then her offspring harlots feel the right to burn at the stake, drown women kill them and torture them? [You think that is Christianity equal to the other? ]
How come we can't find the Trinitarian view pop up till mid 2nd century in a very disjointed way and first termed Trinitas till the 3rd century and formulated at Nicea in the 4th almost 3oo yrs after Christ's death. But the Original Orthodoxy was Modalist Monarchian. Held the Bishopric of Rome , IGNATIUS was Monarchian per his writings in the middle recension. That the Bishops of Jerusalem almost assuredly never said a thing about 3 persons, persons in a Godhead, or Trinity period.
The first guy who coined the word , stated the majority of believers in his day were those who rejected the economia ( the 3 in 1) and held the Monarchy. HIPPOLYTUS a antiBishop of Rome was a fellow who stood against the Bishops of Rome who were conservative Monarchians and who excommunicated him and not KILL HIM.
NO I REJECT YOUR IDEA AND WRITTEN COMMENT. I deny Trinitarians are Christians.
The issue is that true atonement cannot be accounted for in the oneness view since they believe Jesus is the Father.
1. The incarnation is temporary in their view. No hypostatic union. Stark difference from the Trinity.
2. They don't believe Jesus is truly interceding for us today, before the Father, as it states in Hebrews. This is an important part of salvation.
3. They don't have a unified definition on what happened to Jesus after he ascended. Dr. David Bernard teaches that the human spirit of Jesus was absorbed by the Father and therefore the spirits merged in heaven.
4. In order for oneness to make sense, we have to commit a few heresies...nestorianism, patripassianism,
monophysitism.
5. The semantics may appear the same, but the underlying definitions, unfortunately, lead to error.
I say all this with love, in Christ. ❤
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 You don't understand the Dual Nature of Jesus, As God he is 100% Spirit, as the man Christ He is 100% man Christ.
The HS is the Spirit of God coursing it's way through the Christ and in emanation working on and in men. Jesus said he was such in John 14, both Father and His and yet was that Son speaking.
In O.T. YHWH spoke that they shall look at me whom they pierced, that is not a 2nd person, that is the GOD and counting his body of flesh he begot in time as his own . Zech.12:10
You also don't understand the proof of Heis Theos, One God, Heis is a masculine one and means a cardinal numeral one and not a composite one like the Greek word Hen. Thayer, Robertson, Gingrich and Bauer all attest it is one, Thayer say as one person.
Gal.3:20 Amplified says God is one person.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 Also, don't say what we do or do not believe, we wholly believe Jesus a kinsmen redeemer and not a 2nd person in a godhead paid the price. You people make up non biblical terms constantly to support your idea of things it never says.
Historically your Trinity didn't come out till ca 210 a.d. and was a minority view till at least 222a.d. when the first Catholic Trinitarian get the Bishopric of Rome from Monarchians, then it didn't take you're Mother church long to start persecuting and abusing power.
Tertullian who coined the word said the majority were startled at the economia ( three in one) in that their rule of Faith withdraws them from the world's plurality of gods. Tertullian said they called him a preacher of 2 and 3 gods and they held the Monarchy. We hold the same you people are Worshiping 3 god or gods.
Could you do a video about The church of God and Church of God of Prophecy? (Both are in Cleveland TN) I’ve attended both and don’t really know the difference between the two.
COG Cleveland we had Communion and Foot Washing. They went together like peanut butter and jelly.
I hope you do a video of the first Christians
The title of this is wrong on both sides. God is a Spirit not a person. John 4:24. The only person of the godhead is Jesus Christ who came in the flesh. Scripture is very clear.
For a short Video, this was great. As someone who was raised in the UPCI and now Foursquare. I can say there are 2 major things you left off this list. The legalism of the UPCI is more than a side note on one of your points. It is equated with salvation in the UPCI. Also, the glorification/worship/forced reverence of pastors and the higher archy of the UPCI denominational leadership. This strongly differs from Foursquare.
There’s a video by a former upc member of 15 yrs called ,How To Spot Pastor Worship ,by Divide The Word Blog …it’s eye opening
@@noothername6199 I guess I have been set free from the UPC for so long that all of those things are just silly to me now, but when I was in the UPC they all seemed to make sense. The worst part of being deceived is while you are being deceived you don't know it.
@@bobmeydam3109 Yes, deceived by dress code rules, commandments of men. But they swear theyre all bible. That is by their private interpretation. But the New Test says dress modest thats it.They also control what you watch, listen too in fact your whole life is controlled by them And they constantly use fear , when I was there I was always fearful of everything and lived in a constant state of fear . that is one way they control you. You cant even wear a wedding ring, women have to walk around pregnant with no wedding on , like your not married. Thats Pure evil. My family is still in . When youre there you dont see because youre lrainwashed by it . Divide The Word Blog has many videos on recovering from "Spiritual Abuse", they really helped me. Im non denominational but I think the one thing they got right is Acts 2:38-39
@@noothername6199 As someone who was set free from that bad religion into grace and freedom.
I call it covenant 1.5, or covenant windows vista.
It’s not the old covenant, but it definitely is not the new covenant.
Here is the very short version of my story.
I will never forget the day I was sitting in church still believing the lies of the old Oneness religion “UPC”, but not attending one of their church, because of how terrible they treated me.
The pastor of the trinitarian “Four Square” church I was attending was teaching on the Abrahamic covenant. Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “If Jesus did not physically exist at that time. Father God could not of asked Abraham to make a covenant and use Isaac, because one covenant member cannot ask something of the other that he cannot currently provide.”
My life was forever changed. I was instantly set free from the bad theology and broke out in laughter in the Spirit.
I will say I have seen and experienced so much of the Holy Spirit with miracles, signs, and wonders since leaving the UPC.
A long time ago I attended Gateway bible college in St. Louis. I still remember in basic bible doctrine calls the teacher Blackburn stated and had the class repeat “There are no new revelations! There are no new revelations! There are only new illuminations. The Canon is closed! There are no new revelations!”
The truth is nothing could be further from the truth. If there are no new revelations then God is dead and not talking. In that simple statement and ideology, it is very clear to see that the UPC has no idea who or what the Holy Spirit is.
God is good and He has never stopped speaking to His children. God does talk and instruct us through his written Word, but Holy Spirit will lead and guide us in all paths of life.
The UPC miss represents Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Jesus says “I never knew you.” He doesn’t say. You did not have the correct revelation of what was stated in my Word. He doesn’t say you did not talk in tongues enough. You had too many sins on you. Or anything like that. He says “I never knew you.” So if there is no new revelation then how can we get to know someone who is alive if they don’t talk and say new things today?
Anyway, God is so much bigger than the very small box the UPC puts Him into. Ask God to show more of Himself to you. He is only good and He will do just that.
@@bobmeydam3109 You do know the trinity was invented by Constantine and the Catholic Church, they worship and pray to Mary. also, they confess their sins to a catholic priest Not God.
I still believe God was manifested in the Flesh like 1 Timothy 3:16 says. Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the Everlasting Father
Even Jesus says ,The first of all commandments is, Hear O Israel ,the Lord our God is One Lord.
Philip said to Jesus, Show me the Father .I want to see the father. Jesus said, how have I been with you Philip ?When you see Me, You’ve Seen the Father .
I still believe one God because of the Bible .Not the Upc . You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water . That’s one of the few things they got right
I know what you mean about getting offended by some of their people, but there can be jerks in any church. In fact when I left Upc I went and visited a different church with no standards and one of the people there I thought was very rude to me .There can be jerks in any church
When you talk about new revelations Do you mean a new bible? Old and New Testament says you cannot Add or Take from them.
This is like when I was younger and I argued with my friends about who would win in a fight, Hulk or Superman.
When I got older, I realized that both are fictional characters and it would be the writer to decide who won.
Then I got older and realized it would be the companies that owned the IP who would decide. A writer can write whatever they want, but it’s the company that decides what to accept and publish.
It’s still fascinating to watch people argue and debate over the nature of Jesus Christ and Yahweh.
Orthodox:
We believe in One God, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, a Holy Consubstantial and Undivided Trinity!
We say in the *name* of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Name is singular form when the faces are three. But it’s one God and it has one name.
We don’t say in the names… because they are not three different Gods!
The God is one but He has three hypostasis!
In the New Testament, Apostles asked Christ when they’re gonna see the Father and the Holy Spirit and Christ said to them if you have seen me you have seen the Father and the Holy Spirit, because we are one!
God is one!
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
Also another share thing among all three denomination is the celebration of Heathen and pagan holidays. Even though some churches in the UPCi do not celebrate the Roman Catholic holidays.
If you were on your deathbed, which of these would you choose?
True God is One person. So why believe he has no Son? He has angels, called 'sons of God' ( Job 1:6) why not a Son? So when the bible specifically states that "God loved the world so much, he gave his only begotten son". UPCI dont believe thats true! God then just turned part of himself into a man? So when Jesus earnestly prayed to his Father, that was just an act? There was no love of a son for a Father? No sacrifice in showing supreme love for mankind by giving up the most precious possession for us? I dont believe in the trinity either but this is just as bad. In fact UPCI cannot be Christian by definition!
I have never understood the trinity. After approximately 50 years of attending a variety of denomination all of them trinitarian and trying like crazy to study(books and podcasts of theologians in its support), prayer, and bible study, this doctrine just does not make sense to me even to this day it always seems like a lot of mental loopdy loops accompanied by a mystery of faith.
Isaiah 9:6 says a lot to me regarding the ONENESS OF GOD. I'm a daughter, mother, and a processor, but those are titles/roles of mine. I'm not 3 persons.
Every baptism in the Bible was done in the name of Jesus. Every single one.
I have heard many UPCI pastors quote from other translations outside of the KJV and NKJV. I wonder if this is doctrinal or suggested? There is a video on this from the UPCI General Superintendent, David K Bernard. ua-cam.com/video/PLA1dCWqCsU/v-deo.html. that kind of says otherwise.
There is no definitive answer to the question of the Trinity. It is not explicitly discussed in the New Testament.
We also allow baptism in the name of Jesus so long that it does not imply oneness theology
That's unfortunate as it means that other groups like Catholics would say the baptism is invalid.
@@convertedsinner9536 hello! I’m a ex-UPCI, but still hold to oneness views of the Godhead. I still believe the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation. I don’t view the trinitarian mode of baptism to be inaccurate, because essentially “in Jesus Name” and “in the name of the father, son, and Holy Spirit” are talking about the same name: Jesus. There is only one name given among scripture of which men must be saved, and that’s Jesus! If you are not born of water AND the spirit, you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Did not the Lord of the Church say that we must baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost in Matthew 28:19? How do you get around that? Are Oneness Unitarians wiser than Jesus?
Long story short, for UPCI the “Name” of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus. Thus they subscribe to Acts 2:38.
@@MethodistPreacher Hello,
These Oneness people exegete scripture like Roman Catholics or Protestant liberals, and not like the reformers, whom I suspect they look down on. The church from the beginning was Trinitarian. The Holy spirit is not a mere influence but one who speaks [1 Tim.4:1]; and Jesus is eternal with the Father, John 8:58, Genesis 18:1,11, 12, 33, Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6. The High Priestly prayer of Jesus in John 17 is Trinitarian. Maybe it is not included in the Oneness Bible.
@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 nice shots at the Catholic (Latin Rite) Church. Have you ever considered why there's 100s, if not 1000s of splits since the reformation? How does truth split? Would Jesus want his Church to be splintered?
@@Normicgander The Reformation was not a dispute over semantics. The Catholic Church is not sound doctrinally. Justification is by faith alone, Hab 2:4, Romans 1:17, 11:6., Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38, Phil. 3:9, Titus 3:5-6, and GALATIANS 2:21.
That last verse plays taps over the Roman Church or anything like it.
Most important of all is the fact that your church traded the pulpit for an altar when it embraced the teachings of Radburtus. Your priests have become magicians. If the apostles returned, they would distance themselves from Romanism or anything like it. Of that I am certain.
@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 we agree the Church was in need of reforms, but Martin Luther went too far. Even he was dismayed by the turmoil within the "reformers." You quoted scripture with typical bigoted, rubbish talk and didn't answer my questions. Let's face it, you are paid to maintain the revolt. I would bet you have to justify your false doctrines at every "service" by bashing the Catholic Church. Sad...
Each group can say the same for each other.🤷🏻♂️
TRINITARIAN: ✝️
I don't belong to any of these organizations and honestly, with all this qualifying, these groups are sounding more like fraternities rather than churches! 😒🙄😜
QUESTION: Are there Oneness Christians that are not Pentecostal?
Swedenborgians are another oneness group.
Some may have fallen away from it, but I don't know any. So e people called Unitarian don't believe Jesus is God, but they are not OP, or Monarchians as far as I know. Unitarians that reject Jesus as God are not fellowshipped at all as far as I have ever heard. We have in the past been called Unitarians, Ed Delcour called me one recently, though he just likes to pop off and smear us and not stand up to scrutiny.
@@ReadyToHarvestQuestion I have to you after watching this and reading a lot of comments, are you Four Square or SBC since you brought those 2 up to compare?
You seem fair and better than most in talking about Oneness. I have some questions for you, I see a few books in the background . Do you have any Oneness books and by whom, how many? I mainly think most Trinies would rather fight than switch ( like the old Tarleton cigarette commercial) but most all have never studied, investigated Oneness. Few have ever had more than 1 or 2 books on us. I have more Trinitarian books and reference material by them, than Oneness and I have a very large Oneness # of authored books almost 400. I just bought over 10 in last 2 weeks.
Another question what study have you done in 2nd and 3rd centuries about Oneness and where is trinitarians there?
How do you justify the voluminous amount of murders , torture, persecution, Creeds with Anathema clause, done by Catholic and Protestantism and have you ever found Monarchians doing so in return?
Last for now John 1:1 who or what is God in the passage ?
Thank you
LOL!!! Of course they're all for TITHING.
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I grew up Pentecostal.
Now I am becoming Antiochian Orthodox.
I saw the madness of Protestantism and ran away.
Neo Pentecostals are lost, so is Liberal Protestantism. So you're basically going to a false religion, Catholicism Light, that's basically what the Orthodox church is.
@bornagainsaint69 I appreciate your heart, but you’re wrong about orthodox being being Catholicism. Watch more of Joshua’s videos and you might catch the difference. And the fact that you claim one particular denomination is “lost” tells me a lot about your belief system. Bless you bro
@@Mikolai206 , My belief system is a Biblical one, essential Christian doctrine as described by God's word. I'm a Biblical born again Christian, that's it. Anything Liberal claiming to be Christian IS NOT, whether Protestant or Evangelical, we already know Roman Catholicism has never been true. The Orthodox resembles Roman Catholicism might be a little different
My Only question to you would be is how do you obtain Salvation?? What's the Gospel of Jesus Christ?? Ok two questions.
@@bornagainsaint6923 Hopefully I can answer on behalf of the Church, though if my answer has imperfections they are mine and not the Church's. The basic belief of the Orthodox Church is known as Theosis. It essentially means to become gods by grace. That may sound scary so hopefully I can protestantize it for you. The idea is that mankind was made in the image and likeness of God in order to rule over the world on God's behalf. This, of course, went awry when Adam fell and man became distanced from God's Grace. However, it is through the God-man Jesus Christ that human nature was restored. This restoration of human nature allows for man to receive the Sprit of God and then work with the Spirit, which is salvation. This is a sort of replication of the God-man within us, though we can never be ontologically God, we can be "adopted" as his sons, in the image of the Father's only Son. So in this sense it is the cooperation with God that constitutes salvation, as opposed to cooperation with God is obtains or "earns" salvation. We would also add that the good works produced in salvation are of God, which we obtain through his Holy Spirit through faith and repentance, though these words may not be used in the exact same way as in the west.
@@JamaicanHopscotchMafia , I think i agree with you, not quite sure
Let's see if you agree with me. Salvation is by God's grace and mercy Through faith in what Jesus Christ did on the Cross, His death, shedding of blood for sin and His resurrection. So basically when you hear the gospel and you Repent and Believe by faith you are Born Again ( John 3.3) Spiritually the Holy Spirit dwells in You, You are now a new creature or creation in Christ Jesus. I like to quote God's Word, so I'll use EPHESIANS 2.4-10:
But God, who is rich in Mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive Together with Christ ( by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in ages to come He might show the exceedingly riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
For by Grace You have been Saved Through Faith, and that not of Yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
You notice the past tense in " you have been saved" Salvation is yours when you Repent and believe through faith in What Jesus Christ did for us. If you notice Jesus Christ had a Repentance ministry, just like the prophets and apostles. The Gospel or Good News is so easy to understand but Religion complicates it with rituals, traditions, and sacraments.
I thought the SBC was pretty open to the baptism of the Spirit & tongues?
No, tongues at least is very much Not a Thing in most SB churches. As for the baptism of the Spirit, I believe there are times when you feel the Spirit’s presence more, but we definitely believe everyone receives the Spirit at salvation.
@@audrey.l195 what must you do to be saved?
As far as I know, at the Baptist I attended for a while, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is when you accept Jesus, and you can only speak in strange tongues if there is an interpretation.
@@danielgomes9084 the bible says: Acts 2:4 KJV - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:46 KJV - For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
1 Corinthians 14:39 KJV - Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
If you go to a church that doesn't preach and believe this, keep looking...you have not found a church yet
@@hgray55 sorry I just now responded
Trinitarian pentecostal are close to southern Baptist
Foursquare member here.
To bad, too sad, false doctrine it is.
Good presentation. I’m looking into non trinitarian denominations, did you say UPCI believe that there is one God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are manifestions of God? So can I assume they (UPCI) don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God?
They don't believe in eternal sonship, but do believe that Jesus became the Son of God when he was born in Bethlehem.
Jesus is the Son of God. That's obvious from scripture. God the Father became his own Son
@@wjdyr6261 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.”
John 16:27-28
The Father did not become his own Son. The begetting of the Son is eternal or the Father was not always a Father and you'd have to reject the eternal Fatherhood. The idea of "coming forth" here is being used to convey the same thing as a natural son coming forth from his father. The begetting of the Son from the Father is eternal because the Father has always been the Father and He does not need to create humans for this to be the case.
@@andys3035 so was God the Father in Christ or not? It's either yes or no.
@@wjdyr6261 is not either yes or no, it's both and.
but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that *the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”* John 10:38
Being "in" the other doesn't mean the Father is the Son. It has to do with how the persons of the Godhead interpenetrate the other. In this context, the Father and Son are working together as one in salvation.
I'd like to get your take on John 16:27 from my previous post. In my conversations with oneness folks, I often find they almost never interact with the bible but instead try and reason either from their understanding or go to other verses.
Oneness theology Teaches one God Not one person
Do something wrong in UPCI and they will excommunicate you. A big one that will get you kicked out is not obeying your pastor.
If you tell the pastor about the tithing Doctrines there will excommunicate you tithes was never money it was food but it's good business callecting money you can do a lot with money
Not getting born again and overcoming will land you in eternal hell. The Pastor is a God given position. Of course you need to obey the Pastor but not when it violates God's word. But if you go to church to do your own thing you're in the wrong place. Just be a practicing sinner and falsely enjoy your wait for hell
another good comparison, btw the oneness pentecostals are wrong
And some people think both sides are wrong.
That's a wide brush you paint with. All of the Christian denominations are man conceived, so all are wrong in some way. What I find is that God in His infinite wisdom didn't give all the truth to any one group, but each group received a portion. The thing is to fellowship, look at the differences, review them in scripture, and wait for the revelation. When the church comes together in humility, realizing that no one has the whole picture, then we can reason together and begin to make sense of it all as the Holy Ghost gives us, collectively, the revelation.
@@Applerumcake "Now I know only in part,; then I will know fully...And now faith, hope and love abide...and the greatest of these is love."
I agree. Modalism was considered a heresy from almost the beginning days of the church. I do not believe there is such a thing as non-trinitarian Christianity. Denying the Trinity puts you outside Christian orthodoxy.
@@CuriousGeorge13 yes
I find it amusing that people say United Pentecostals dictate how you live or play sports or watch TV.That never has happened to me.And I doubt it ever would .Maybe I’m just so scary looking and no one dares .
The Oneness Pentecostals put there pastors up in a pedestal as if he were Jesus himself 🤦🏻♂️ & try to control your issues in your personal life.. im in Foursquare and it’s definitely different in a good way and happy with my choice.