An embarrassingly simple art concept
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Let's talk a little about the concept of 'artistic research', and why it's at the same time super simple and self-evident, but also maybe not really! I talk about drag queens and youtube comedians, and my own path to knowledge through university.
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Contents:
0:00 What is artistic research?
0:36 Education and knowledge
1:47 Artists experiment shamelessly
4:00 But where to get started?
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We all look like fools when we dance, but we are all fools, so we may aswell dance
👏🏻 that vibes with me hahah
If you saw me dance, I think you’d revise that to: “…maybe dancing isn’t for everyone.” 😅
"Making good art is 100% subjective and 100% dependent on the voice inside of you". Thank you for this. It comforts me in thinking that I can never fail in art - it is subjective, no one can really criticize it, except me.
Sorry but art is a bit subjective and mostly technical and objective… there is a lot from art that is extremely technical from the craft used to produce a piece of art to the delivery and meaning all of it can be extremely technical and objective.
Also the validation of art doesnt come only from your own validation, art doesnt exist in a vacuum.
@@nntblstin my opinion, there's no way art is mostly objective. the main thing about art is that everyone perceives it differently, and everyone has a different point of view when it comes to what they perceive as beautiful, emotional, disgusting etc. you CAN talk about a painting being made by someone lacking skill or a song sounding like made by a 12 year old, but that's also sometimes the point. things can look, feel or sound like just a mishmash of lacklustered crap, but there will always be a group of people loving it. same way, you could have a landscape painted by someone whose art looks like photography, and despite that there will STILL be someone to hate it there are 8 billion (or milliards, depends where you're from 💋) people on this planet and everyone has a unique enough mind that they are able to have their own opinion about art. that's my view on it
@@maksiulightning Im not saying that there is no subjectivity in art, im gonna rephrase a bit this, people give way too much importance to subjectivity in art wich is not a good thing.
when the video say 100% subjective and 100% self validated its pretty easy to doubt of all the video remember "Only a Sith think in absolutes"
Now going back to yout idea, if the of making a song that "sounds like it was made by a 12 year old kid" its a concious decision, that can express certain ideas, then we can say its posible that this song belongs to acertain artistic language and can be art and meaningful but there is a longer way to walk yet.
For example (and in really loose way and for the sake of argument) we can differenciate "medieval art" from "art of the rennasaince" because of the lack of perspective and the use of religious imagery and a series of objective parameters that needs to be stablished first to make the difference between pieces of both periods, a bit in the same way we can say this song is house and this one is dubstep, there is a lot of objective parameters to qualify something as an artistic piece or not.
Now all of this parameters need to be also validated by the people that participate of something that George Dickie called the ïnstitution of art"this recognition comes from a whole group of people, institutions, media and theorist and market that recognize such as "art" this recognition comes from a bunch of parasmeters that can make something artistic, one part is the fact that the author can recognize something as art and self validate the idea of a piece of work as art but this doesnt happen in a vacuum because of the preceding ideas in this text.
So yes, art subjective and also objective in great manner, and all of this doesnt happen because the author say it this "100% subjectivity and 100% self validation" is dubious to say the least.
(by the way the milliards = billion thing is something called short and long count wich is an increidibly interesting topic)
This is nonsense.
Really needed to hear this. I have spent the last 12 years training to become an ICU medical practitioner - now that I’m done training and working, I finally decided to pursue my passion of techno and have been struggling with this. Thank you for always putting things into perspective!
Really relate with growing up in a non-musical family, tought everything needs to be functional, studying maths and sciences.
Discovering and exploring creativity is such an eye-opener. Learning from failing and feeling.
This is one of your best videos yet. Thank you so much and please make more of these conceptual/philosophical videos, I love them!
i like what you're trying with the lights of your place! that simple twist feels refreshing like a turnaournd on a track :P you're the perfect example of the concept that you're explaining , an artist exploring himself through his creative impulse
I always appreciated your videos and content (even though I have zero musical ability or time for production etc - but I love learning about the "process") in order to be a more knowledgeable about electronic music overall, but I truly appreciated this video. I write, as all notes, melodies and drawings evade me, I have a way with words and THIS video shows something unique about you Oscar, and that I really liked. Share the passion dude, and keep on rocking :)
I love this channel man. Every single video gives a unique insight from your perspective and helps me so much. Saving up for that 2nd foundations course!
Thank you Oscar! That resonates a lot! Never too abstract, your philosophy behind art is precious !
Art for the sake of Art is important to the artist as experimentation to help them learn and grow, and it's important to other artists to expand their knowledge of what is possible. I feel like this video is talking about this concept from a different angle.
Taking classes to learn an artistic craft is a way to learn all of the technical aspects about the craft - learning 'how to...' What school doesn't give is that subjective sense of what's good and what isn't. The technical knowledge can get you maybe 75-80% there, but that last big is learned from experimentation, and seeing how others react. It's the smallest part of the skill but arguably the most important, and also the hardest to learn.
I gotta thank you profusely for putting this out. You just drove home something I could barely articulate. You found words for me. And I thank you!
Truth spoken and so relevant... What a beautiful advise Oscar.. And congratulations on the release, excited to check it out! 💗
Wow!! Thank you, this video and the video you made about Artistic Constraints have helped me so much in terms of my progression. Thanks for the tips 💫
I find my drag outfits look better when I cut out everything below 44Hz.
Nothing is more sexy than when the bottom of the waveform is missing because of ultrasubs haha
this is one of the best videos I've ever seen about art. it's about how you feel and really understanding that, being 100% you.
Love these videos every but as much as the technical videos. Thanks so much!
Thank you, Oscar. This is so important. Thank you that you dedicate time and put effort into talking videos as well
Great video! We need more teachers like you. Keep up the great work!
By trade I'm a 3D artist. As a hobby, I generate music. The hobby concept also works because the trade art tells me I need to have good "follow through" similar to how a baseball player swinging at a pitch only hits their best baseball when they follow through their swing. I love this metaphor because even in practice of generating artwork, hobby or not, I have to see it through the process.
It's strange how influence can happen from a variety of experiences and observations, but that variety spices our life!
And hey, thank you for sharing a bit about yourself :) there's the human element to all of this!
I feel like this relates to something I've been doing for a while now. I've always experimented a lot with making music and I still do.
When I see people ask on forums or in chats on tips on music production, I almost always tell them to experiment and have fun.
Man your videos are pure gold! thanks
I needed to hear this right now.
Thank you
Thank you for this, as i organize my studio/office, the message couldn't be more relevant.
We all know it, put foreget it often. Thank you Oskar for this beautifull reminder. Let s do more embodied music !
You are so right! It's about trying and enjoying, not always about perfection
It's a simple concept, but it requires meta-thinking, and while you think about it. The way of described it made me think of how important the feeling is, when interacting with art or making art. Just the feeling you get from experiencing it in the moment, that's often a great starting point.
Reminds me of Rick Rubens rule that if someone has an idea you must try it because the idea suggested might not sound like a good idea until it is actually inserted and you hear it. Good stuff
It’s so cool to see you’re talking about more complex concepts, which likely matter more for some people including me. Perfecting craftsmanship is obviously all cool, but personally I would rather listen to a honest performance that wasn’t put together perfectly, than listen to a perfectly polish product with clear target goals in mind.
Nice one, Oscar. This fits to they saying: What sounds good, is good. But it's not that simple.
Of course, basics are undisputable. You won't put a C minor triad above a C major chord.
But in the end, it is just finding out how the hell is this gonna work for me.
And once you're more confident, you try the next step. So do I. I'm currently fiddling around with effects that I didn't dare to use a few weeks ago.
Let's say the Vocoder, the Gate or something like that. And I've found out that you can make really cool musiic by using these things on drum loops. These are things that get me excited at the moment.
So what, then I don't publish something for a while. But the thing is that such a research (Using Vocoder and Gate on drums was shown on some videos, so I tried to figure it out myself) will help you find your musical voice.
really really important insight, thank you!
This is how I feel about doing synth jams on Instagram, Vs releasing a track - it's a throwaway moment or trial - but it's helping to get know what I like ❤
Great video. Keep ‘em coming m8
This makes sense ❤
Having fun in creating, trying new things, throw it out there and see what sticks
This is great, thanks for your insight!
Just what I needed. Thx Oscar🤗
I needed to hear all of this....
Cheers Oscar....
Thank you!😄 Very useful and appropriate.
It might sound funny but this video changed my whole perspective about art. I think most of us block ourselves from being creative because of the possibility of not being liked. But after all, art is %100 subjective as you said so you are absolutely free to what you wanna do with your art. And I'm sure it will be interesting to other people because it's %100 authentic.
Yessss happy to read this.
Hello Oscar! The way you fearlessly try things out in your videos is what I admire most about you and your channel. Keep up the awesomeness!
True perfection has to be imperfect!Thx for your content!
This reminds me of a metaphor from agile software development. In this metaphor, there are two pottery courses. In the first course, students are told that they should submit a perfect jug at the end of the semester and spend most of the time perfecting this one jug. In the second course, students are told that they will be graded on the number of jugs they produce, regardless of quality.
At the end of the semester, it turns out that the students in the second course, who have made many jugs, also produced the higher-quality jugs. Through constant practice and trying out different techniques, they significantly improved their skills. The students in the first course, who focused on theory and planning, had fewer practical skills in the end, and their jugs were not as good.
Yeah I 100% subscribe to this idea :) thanks for sharing!
wise words Oscar, when an artist puts stuff out there there will be likes and dislikes but i dont feel that all dislikes are bad. they can be a learning curve and a lesson only to improve : )
This makes perfect sense. Maybe the season by so many successful artists come from an art school education, which should be directed towards exploration and evaluation of ideas.
It's no criticism, many genres have evolved from "House" which was driven by the availability of affordable sample tech and other sync enabled midi tools, random ideas were thrown into the machine and out pops a repetitive groove. Style over content. It caught fire in the music industry, everybody wanted one.
Even the best of EDM producers are sometimes inclined towards a dependence on the technical, finding an intensely driven loop or a catchy phrase and hammering it to death.
All composers have a bit of luck and stumbling over something interesting while experimenting is a primal element in music. The difference with EDM has been that unlike human repetition, machines have only recently learned about variation and feel although the best EDM artists have used effects for decades to make some ot those things possible long before the computer could give us percentages for probability and limitless cross modulation. Even so, unless the artist is prepared to refine ideas, compare them in different contexts or even use them elsewhere, this can still become Frankenstein's monster
"You cant trust your own intuition."
I must disagree with that statement while agreeing with the rest of the message of the video.
Yeah, i think i slightly overstated it. I guess i just wanted to highlight the importance of monitoring your own emotions in artistic development, and the relative lack thereof in other education.
@OscarUnderdog I think we are "educated" out of trusting our intuition by only trusting empirical facts. I appreciate your content, Oscar. Thank you for your time and efforts.
Thanks a lot, very interesting !
Love this channel
Duuuuuuuude! This is gold.
Lovely!!!
This iterative way of working is explained in ‘design thinking’
Just love it
From testing out different styles and techniques in your videos, not only You find out what You like, also we as viewers find out what we like. If we never get in contact with certan things we simply can not know if we like them or not.
Thank you Oscar 💚
Great!! Love the idea of creating for fun. I do it constantly but almost never publish those tracks. But part of it stays with me and might appear on some of my released stuff. I am sure of it. Great discussion you opened here.
Quite relatable!
thank you Oscar, you are always putting yourself out there recklessly to give us the truth as you know it. I always learn so much from you. consummate teacher.
Good stuff 👌
very nice, tnx!
This is true. I had a feeling for music when i started making it. I made drum and bass becouse i felt that style was right for me. I expresed a lot of my emotions trough and when i get a good feedback from my speakers this where i would get inspired. Later when i tryed other styles i lost that original connection. I had stop producing music for a month or two and in that time i was hoping that i will forget about dnb. What can i say. Styles are like relationship partners. Once you get in the relationship deep enough to understand yourself and your goals dont change it. Just change your bpm values slightly. Maybe eventualy you will find that perfect spot where you will know what hear and feel are one and the same.
thank you
great video!
Britney Spears dancing with knives would have been such a great anecdote
Good video thank you
Is that a Culture Vulture Super 15 lurking in the background? If so, where/when do you apply it in your signal chain?
Only got it recently, and been experimenting with it as an insert on individual sounds! Not sure what role it will play longterm but really enjoying it for now :)
bon morceau, cet Aquarius tendanciel ;)
yes try things out, but if you are pushing yourself to put things out to others view, that's where most people fails. you should re-consider if you are doing it for the process that you enjoy, or you are here for the potential outcome that your network will give you some attention for your work.
Not just the research but art in general only needs the artits's own validation. You shouldn't make art for money and fame. When you get the mindset of doing art for money and fame you'll probably not be expressing yourself truly through your craft, when you set goals you create barriers, when you create barriers you lose your freedom, once you lose your freedom, you're not making art anymore, you are making a product to put on a stand, and that's not what art is about.
Hey please decouple your speakers, pleeeease 🤗
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