FOLLOW UP VIDEO: ua-cam.com/video/CUy922_E9jY/v-deo.html Link to the Bug Report page on the issue: community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Kg9VW8Vw8LvU UPDATE: they're "working on a solution" as of 10/10/24 Comments are closed but maybe we can get something done if all of us hits the "I have the same issue" button Also a few people have suggested a workaround to this by selecting the next modification to research preemptively if you know the previous game will give you enough research points to complete the first modification before joining the second match. I haven't tested if it works but enough people have said it so it probably works.
There is another one closely related. If you get hit by enemy and are burning or without a wing or whatever, but you know you are done, if you J-out of your plane, you will have to pay full repair price. Only if you wait until you crash into ground, then you can leave the game and pay for whatever time you spent in the plane. UA-cam deleted my other comment. For some reason, they don't believe in free speech.
@@CatWerfer well there is another reason to rant on a video and bring it to masses. Actually I am genuinely interested if this is a bug that nobody has noticed or if it happens only to me. It's a regular thing that happens in most if not all of my games when I J-out. What is silly, that if you crash your plane intentionally, then you pay repair cost for amount of time you used a vehicle. Let me find a link to the ticket and subscribe to you in hopes you can bring this to masses!
I mean I'm sure I could try and test this and you could be right but I don't think i'd make a video on that since a lot of planes' repair costs aren't that crazy imo, at least not after they rebalanced the costs...
@@CatWerfer but yeah, the overall economy is much better now. Just at these times when I grind for SL it's crazy annoying to pay 8k more for a game which in turn makes me loose money sometimes.
I do remember there was one time where people were able to get free premium time by activating a link that only new players were supposed to use and as soon as gaijin found out they went around putting people in actual debt
There was a period of time where crashing your bomber gave you ungodly amounts of RP, causing a period where there were like 10 people crashing at the start of every match
I always saw this 0 overflow and thought: "that can't be right, there's no way RP is perfect to not overflow to the next modification this many times."
This happens with vehicles too, I got a 34k RP game in the Mirage Milan, and I was researching a 200k-ish RP plane (forgot which), and I only had 10k rp left, but all of my 34k rp was gone
This is a well known bug that's been reported years ago, has hundreds "I have the same issue" votes and it's still tagged as "Open", meaning it still hasn't been forwarded to the devs.
@@CatWerfer Yep, this is a consistent bug. Also a big reason why I quit Air RB and War Thunder for the most part. Just like the rest of the game: basically a facelifted 2014 beta game (got stale around 2018).
"well known bug that's been reported years ago" yet you are the only one in the comments section in the video, no one on reddit ever mentions this, no one on twitter mentions this, no one anywhere else... 5 or whatever amount of "i have the same issue" does not make the bug known
@@petrkdn8224I wouldn’t say he’s the only one cause I’ve also had it happen countless times in my time playing. Unless you always live trough your matches or don’t have jets I don’t know how more people haven’t had to deal with this.
@@Denkmaldrubernacht With boosters, good premium vehicle, premium account and favorable conditions (high activity, good score, very long battle with a long lifespan, skill bonus and a win) you can get even more, my record is something around 90k on air rb I think
They also steal your rp if you don´t buy the vehicles to unlock a new rank, it just goes away if you´re not researching a vehicle. And if that wasn´t enough, they also steal daily/special tasks. Sometimes when you get kills it doesn´t give them to you. For example, if your task is to kill aircraft, you can severely damage them, but if you exit the match before you got the kill confirmation, even if they end up dying, you don´t get anything. Missing decals sometimes too. 🍝 Spaghetti code.
Just when you unlock the last veh in the rank, a mysterious snail appears next to you, he is armed with Desert Eagle and points it at your head whispering "cmon baby, buy that shid, we both know you want it right?"
This last USAF decal event I finished 3 ARB battles with activity greater than 70% and didn't get the decal. Had to exit the game and log in again to get it.
@impguardwarhamer yeah, i like 3.0 japan coastal. You have 2 gunboats with 40mm and 25mm and you can still throw some torpedo boats in for destroyers.
Unless they can work out a % lost, i doubt there is any way to even work out how much. IF it ever got fixed, it would be more like "bug report 2.2million: fix RP mismatch if leaving a game early" they will never admit that.
@Piesy001 I wouldn't be surprised tho considering the vast amount of stats that they keep track of especially just on the stat card itself and rp per vehicle
Hehehehe boiiiii😂, we Slavs know how scam and make people feel good while doing that. And when they find out , we play stupid, aka we did not know anything about that bug 😂🤡 🐎🐒💩
Man, i've played this game for over 10 years and have had this happen countless times. Mostly i play Ground RB sometimes Air RB and this happens to me almost daily. I don't want to think about how much RP i've lost over the years. I just assumed it worked by giving it to you later... Never thought about it twice. Goes to show that shouldn't assume things. Great vid anyway, love the style!
Omfg yeah, exactly the same situation for me. Was kind of hoping to see someone comment this haha. Literally 10 years, constantly would see it happen but just never put much thought into it. Especially never thought it happened this often I mean, I know the sample size on this video is a bit small but if we go off of it.. what is that, a 30-50% rate at which a battle simply loses out your RP? Just for the audacity of wanting to play the game and not wait for every single battle. You know, I always had this feeling that you would end up progressing faster if you generally played it safer, you would end up progressing a bit faster. With a sort of benchmark being that you're still in the match until the end, you would end up generally speaking getting more points in the battle over the long term due to just stacking smaller point gains instead or risking your life for a big score. I wonder if this 'bug' was always a part of that feeling, and I just didn't notice it? Regardless, after playing for 10+ years, I can only imagine I've lost out on millions of RP too.
Well I made a bug report a few years back and our beloved community thing Stoner deleted it as not reproduceable and not a bug. Workaround is never start a match befor the old one endet. This bug is for planes tanks ships and helis.
There is a 3 year old bug report that has been acknowledged and still open to this day. A year ago trickzzter, as usual, closed the comments on the report.
I got banned off the old forums because NightOfTheAbyss (i think that was his name) was so bad at understanding bug reports and just disregarding them as "doesnt happen for me, therefore its not a bug and doesnt exist". Ofc when I complained to Stoner that he wasnt doing his job correctly and actually investigating bug reports he sided with NightOfTheAbyss. Since then I have never bothered to report a single bug, even tho every time i play the game I find something that happens all the time, which is super simple to replicate and would take minutes to fix if WT had decent code. But no. Ill let Gaijin roll around in their bug filled mess of a game. Last update only made things worse, like buggy binos.... Again!
I got an even worse bug. I had 26k rp in the tech tree research. I inspected a plane I potentially wanted to research next and use the 26k rp for. I looked at the secondary weaponry and got stuck in an endless loop where I would go back to my Su25 secondary weaponry inspection, and pressing "back" would then pit me in the secondary weaponry inspection again. I couldn't exit the loop and had to restart my game. The 26k rp was lost with that. Fuck gaijin
@touchgrass7834 I've had instances where after i allocate modification research they make me re choose the mod I want to research for 0 rp and thought that was also dumb spaghetti but it was benign and never turned into what happened to you :(
I'm really not sure, but I think that the same kind of things happens with vehicles too. If you finish researching a vehicle with the RP from a previous match that ended while you were in a new one, you lose any RP from that match beyond what was needed to finish researching the vehicle.
@joundii3100 seems like others are agreeing with you. I feel like I recall that happening to me a few times in the past too, just much less frequently.
It does. While I was researching Finnish Mig 21 I was using 300%+ boosters and when I finished researching it and switched to AJS 37, my 15K+ of RP fucked off to another dimension. Gaijin owes me so much RP that I'd be richer than top 5 youtubers if I was to be compensated in GE.
@bottoms_up2175 it hurts so much more when you've already done all the hard work in game to get that rp especially with a booster and then they hit you with that "nuh uh"
It does, especially if you finish the rank and need the vehicle you researched to progress to the next rank. Recently while doing naval event, I needed around 600rp to finish some boat at rank 3, but I needed to buy this boat to get into the rank 4. I got around 5k RP during the game, then immediately got around 13k bonus RP from finishing the modification stage on a boat that I used during this game. I naturally finished researching that rank 3 boat, unlocked rank 4 but even tho I should have over 17k left from the battle + modification bonus, I had 0. I started researching, nothing got added to the research. After multiple games I was looking at the research bar, but the 17k RP was just gone completely. And losing 18k is even more painful on naval than on any other gamemode, its a massive amount, anyone crazy enough to play naval sometimes (like me) knows for sure how ridiculous that amount is. Probably that RP disappearing bug is very much present in naval, especially coastal, since you often leave before bluewater even have a chance to fight each other and usually you have like 3-4 ongoing games that you left earlier
i think as long as they just get around to fixing it it would be fine for now, though there are still a lot of issues with the game beyond just this *cough*balancing*cough*f8u*
Snail is always riping ppl off. This is the sad story and true one. This video needs to be spread around :) Well done, and i have personally noted this too many times but tbh, never thought about it. This is a Gaijin "feature"-
I've lost at least a hundred thousand RP or more it feels from this alone. I knew it had something to do with multiple matches ending and resolving but never knew how to mitigate it.
If you think you will finish the mod next match, while old match is still hanging, start researching another mod. Alternatively you could fly another plane. As for changing mod before game ends, it doesn't work, the RP will go to the mod selected before the match began
At least there is a way to mitigate it. I'm more annoyed at how the new "skill modifiers" make you unlock vehicles faster without increasing your rate of SL gain, so without premium you often end up unlocking a lot of vehicles which you can't afford. I'm certain they did it to incentivize good players to buy premium in an insidious way.
@@CatWerfer generally i have like over 10 or even over 20 vehicles that i buy during the sales, mostly higher BR ones. i could buy them anytime, but it is best to wait imo, since saving SL is always good. and btw i dont have premium account. if a player plays at least OK then they will have a net SL profit
@o-hogameplay185 agreed, though I think that's also because i like to play props for nations I've already ground out so the rp I gain doesn't go into researching anything that I'd have to buy later. Some people on the other hand play exclusively top tier and I can see how that can be a net loss or not enough sl when you get to buying your next plane
@paolobellomi8056 I remember watching it as a kid and "rediscovered" it recently. Idk if this is nostalgia but I really like the old music and art style, way more than the new one. Megure boutta get reeaal sleepy on this case
There is also a bug that prevents you from adding all modification researched bonus to helicopter reaserch. Lost around 90 000 RP in Japanese tech tree this way
I've had lots of '0 rp' messages and just assumed that it had all gone on upgrades I was researching. Didn't occur to me that it would be such a coincidence that I received exactly enough points to finish off what I was researching and no more. What a rip off! I'm starting to get bored with all this. Their copy/paste laziness, very few new lower tier vehicles, reduced battle pass rewards, br compression & constant uptiering.
I still really like playing this game and it has so much potential to be so much more, but every time gaijin does a dumb or gaijin does a greedy then it makes me question why i keep playing again (there's definitely a sunk cost fallacy in there somewhere)
I knew this for a while, that's why if I play several matches in a row in the same plane, I switch the modifications I research before each battle. Because it always researches the mod you've selected before the battle. If that research is completed, the RP will disappear. Switching what you research before each battle resolves that.
i want to add a bit to the video because its not only with the same vehicle. it even happens if you start a game with any other vehicle of any nation that the RP get lost if you get more RP then needed for a modification sadly. So you if you really dont want to lose RP and a modification will be finished after the game you have to wait till the game is over or it get lost when you start another with any ship, plane, helicopter or else the only thing is test drive where the RP dont get lost while you wait
Its funny how Enlisted got better research allocation lol, whenever you finish unlocking something there, the leftover exp turns into a free exp that you can use on anything without cost, not to mention how extremely cheap everything is after they lowered the credit cost for everything
@@AHappyCub I'm not excusing them, just speculating why it may be. Gaijin has come surprisingly far for a game built on an arcadey propeller pew pew airplane game engine
Good thing you made this video, i hope it will make enough noise for Gaijin to finally do something about it. It's scary to think how much RP i lost because of this "feature".
hopefully even if my own video doesnt get the snail's attention, itll make enough of a splash that the big boy war thunder tubers will have to address it, I don't think I have nearly the reach that they do
It doesn't just happen with modifications but vehicles too. I lost out on over 20k rp the other day because of it. The fact that this is has been going on for over 7 years and Gaijin are fully aware of it means it is 100% intended. Just another way to slow down and frustrate the player so they're more willing to spend. At the very least, there's a way around it: either stay in a match until the very end, even just in spectator view, or if you do leave the match early sit and wait in the hangar until the match does end. Alternatively, again if you do leave the match early, play another nation until the first match ends.
thanks for bringing this up, I've always found it sus that we get the exact rp amount for a certain mod and left with 0 for the next. Now this makes much more sense.
There is another issue very similar to this one. If there is a rank, that's only unlocked, if all vehicles from the previous rank are researched, than all the excess rp you have from researching the final vehicle of a rank are going missing. This happens especially in naval tech trees, since they are mostly structured in a way, that requires you to research everything.
I have 100% had this happen, it just takes a lot longer to replicate so i don't have immediate visually documented proof but im pretty sure this is very common
Had a game where I got a ton of RP. Roughly 75k with boosters and premium and finished off a modification that only had like 200 RP left. Didnt see any of that 75k
Ffs, its a misunderstanding. I had it too. The overflow RP gets added at the end of your next battle. Its spaghetti code, but it isnt shorting you out on RP.
This is such an important video. Over the 10 years (fml) that I've played this game, I've noticed this very thing happening over and over and over again, but I couldn't be bothered to actually check it because as you said, I guess the RP just gets saved up for later. Nuh-uh, nope. Not with greedy gaijin. But here is something else I want to mention: Is Gaijin incapable of tracking the modifications RP? I highly doubt it. For the 5th anniversary I believe it was, Gaijin gave you 10.000 GE if you purchased a certain ammount of GE prior. You're tellling me that they can keep track of how much GE you purchased over 5 YEARS but can't log the Mod RP gained for more than 1 match? Bullshit. Also yes, refunds are entirely possible. If I recall correctly, there was an instance where Gaijin made certain modifications stock and refunded the RP if you already researched and purchased them (I believe it was RWR). Yes, it works a bit differently, since it's a fixed ammount of RP for the modification but nonetheless a precedent is there. TL;DR: I think this "bug" is a convenience for Gaijin. And as such, I would recommend that if you have seen this video and if you see this comment, head over to the forums and bug report this. Edit: Going to the bug report page shows the issue as already have been reported. 3 years ago if not longer. 3 years and still no fix? Just remember that they put you in premium account debt if you claimed the bonus for new players, but refuse to refund the literal hundreds of thousands of RP lost through this "bug".
@schnitzelthunder7692 "not a bug" my ass. Also yeah it is crazy how much "statistics" gaijin keeps track of so I do think 100% that they probably know exactly how much we're owed, though they're not likely to admit it...
oh thats cuz i took the other video down cuz there were some audio issues lol, I thought you watched my video at like 725x speed and commented the instant this video got published
Tf, this is unacceptable. As someone who has been playing for a long time I can't even comprehend how much modification research I must have lost.... I also just assumed they'd give the research after the next game and since it's a pain to calculate I'm assuming most people never did. Hope this gets more attention and gaijin actually does something about this....
@blazemk21 huh interesting, I feel like I can remember having this issue ever since I started playing air rb a lot, where I'd have to play the same plane repeatedly. At least that reddit post shows evidence of this from 7 years ago
glad someone is bringing this up. I always saw the 0 xp on the research page and thought that maybe it was a visual glitch. Crazy that one of the worst grinds in the game(stockgrind) is being made longer and more painful like this
I genuinely thought I just happened to get *just* the right amount so many times, which surprised me but I didn't really think anything about it. Very systematic approach. Makes the stock grind feeling so brutal make a little more sense.
I seen this thumbnail, and i had no reason to click idk what bullshit video was. Then it happened to me. I immediately remembered this video thumbnail i seen, repprted issue, and tried to find this video but didnt know the titile. Now week later i see it recomended again. Thanks so much for bringing up this issue!
It’s crazy how almost every problem War Thunder has can be tied back to them wanting to make money more than wanting a good game. I’m sure the devs are very passionate about WT, it’s a great game system, but the executive decisions really pull this game down. It could be so much better, I hope we get there someday
I feel like there used to be a lot of passion behind war thunder. if you look under the hood, the physics engine is suprisingly robust for a game that was meant to be an arcadey prop game from 2014, and i remember them going to different tank museums to intricately model each vehicle and even record their engine sounds, but i think that's a relic of a past era... This game has so much potential and I feel like they are wasting it for the sake of money and its genuinely tragic
When I use big boosters I always make sure to stay in the match to the end to avoid this happening. Thanks for actually running the numbers, now I know I wasn't just being paranoid haha
I’ve figured this out some years ago. I use to hang around the full match before I decided to take a few year long break. When I came back I was less patient and started leaving early and playing new games. I realized the whole 0rp stuff, assumed it was some ignored bug so since then I have a policy to wait for the match to end unless I’m 100% sure I won’t get a new modification, or I can just play another vehicle.
unfortunately i am also impatient and if i want to spade a vehicle i do try to play it repeatedly until its done. I guess i should change that up for now...
We need to make a big stink about this, thanks for actually breaking it down and confirming it. I have always felt that something was up but never confirmed it.
this needs more attention, the fact you also noticed, most popular voices GE through modifications and wont' notice it, so almost appears to be hush money
Fun fact this same thing happens to vehicle researches if you are close to finishing the research of a vehicle and lets say in game 1 you get enough to fully get the vehicle but leave before it finishes and then hop into game 2 before game 1 has finished game 2s rp will mysteriously vanish
Thank you for making this video, I've been frustrated about this for so many years... First real outcry I see about this besides the small forum posts once a year.
@@CatWerfer Not that I know of, I would have made a video myself but I was never bothered with it as I felt coming from a nobody it would have no effect. Maybe bringing this to the attention of someone like DEFYN could bring change. It's especially frustrating when grinding a pain in the ass plane to spade it and then you finally have a really good match where you lose 90% of the mod RP because of this glitch, almost as if you did nothing in the end...
Nice bro, your channel is getting more and more goated by the day! I mean as bad as this grand theft rp really is atleast it lets you farm more sl so that it keeps up with your research in case you're running low on it lol, but really tho imagine using like a 500% rp booster and getting an amazing match (impossible) and you get robbed out of all of those sweet mods you could've gotten
Thats a really good video and quite important subject. It happens with vehicles too, especially if you finish the rank and need the vehicle you researched to progress to the next rank. The most recent example: while doing current naval event, I needed around 600rp to finish some boat at rank 3, but I needed to buy this boat to get into the rank 4. I got around 5k RP during the game, then immediately got around 13k bonus RP from finishing the modification stage on a boat that I used during this game. I naturally finished researching that rank 3 boat, unlocked rank 4 but even tho I should have over 17k left from the battle + modification bonus, I had 0. I started researching, nothing got added to the research. After multiple games I was looking at the research bar, but the 17k RP was just gone completely. And losing 17k is really painful on naval, its a massive amount, anyone crazy enough to play naval sometimes (like me) knows for sure how ridiculous the grind is there. Probably that RP disappearing bug is actually the most present in naval, especially coastal, since you often leave before bluewater even have a chance to fight each other and usually you have like 3-4 ongoing games that you left earlier
brother i got to germany coastal rank 3 and then gave up. you gotta have a willpower made of steel to play that godforsaken gamemode for how pitious the rewards are
@@CatWerfer I was just focused on the event cause I have Karl Marx from squadron points and got Bussard from the SL crates. Research was just a side effect of doing the event, but Bernau looks decent so I was hoping to get close to it during the event but well, pretty helpful 17k went to another dimension
yeah i ground out up to rank 3 so that i could do the battlepass tasks then realized that germany didnt have the class of vehicles i needed to do that specific task and so just stopped
@@CatWerfer Typical Gaijin giving us a challenge that only some one specific japanese rank 4 boat can do lmao Naval is crazy, getting 3k RP with premium and premium boats for a 1st place in a 20 minutes game to research a rank 4 that costs 220k is just nuts. Snail tries to get people to play naval, but its boring, unbalanced and have the worst grind of all the gamemodes, I wonder why nobody plays it
I have encountered this too, but didn't think of it too much as I assumed the RP loss would be minimal. But this is actually a lot more than I thought! Gaijin has screwed up big time here, and it is long past time to be addressed and fixed. While I agree that some compensation would fit, I don't think it is possible to gather how many RP a player, let alone all players, have lost.
A few weeks ago I got 1 mil SL as daily reward. I was excited so I even took a screenshot of it. Well I logged back in the next day and got the daily reward for the same amount of days again. Only this time I got some backup's and the 1 Million SL where gone... Btw a really great video. Good information, testing and proofing, straight to the point while still being entertaining! Hope this will get alot of attention!
you reached the upper income tax bracket and so had to nuke your assets (if that happens and you had a screenshot you could probably submit a bug report)
Seen this "bug" for as long as I've been playing, and just lumped it in with the long list of reasons why despite me personally enjoying the game (sometimes) I still gave a Negative Steam review. Unfortunately, your testing seems to have validated my assumption, and my review will remain unchanged. Thanks for doing the good work to keep Gaijin honest - or at least, expose their bullshit to the open air.
Thank you for bringing attn to this I will be sharing this to my friends group who did not believe me when I stated this was happening, I have played through 4 tech trees and didn’t really start noticing till I was almost done with the second. They did not believe me when I told them I was losing research to the ether when flying the same plane repeatedly and researching modifications, it can happen with vehicle RP too, if you finish researching something in an unfinished match and start another you may lose leftover RP from that research. I always felt it was off but sometimes it comes back after a log in most times it doesn’t.
I noticed this issue early after being serious with the air grind after 1 year of playing, while some of my friends still hadn't noticed it. With the exception of events or playing with friends, I never go into another match if the previous one is not done yet.
yeah i reported this years ago my self and got linked to the link you post, i am shocked that no CC are talking about this even though i have send messages to multiple of them about this
I didn't really paid attention to that, i just assumed just as you said and didn't bat an eye. Maybe few times in my 10 years career i actually stopped and thought something isn't adding up, but put that on my exhaustion and not paying enough attention to post battle report.
yeah and its only recently that they made postbattle reports actually useful, before they hardly told you anything about where your RP and SL came from. the update to the postbattle report is a rare gaijin dub (though it was probably a part of the roadmap after the reviewbombs so i cant say they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart)
Funny thing that happens is when you finish researching a vehicle, if you ever want to check the secondary weapons/mods of a vehicle you're not sure you want to research, you will loose your RP since you didn't allocated them immediately to a unit
The percentage of RP owed is actually insane. I always guessed there was an issue in the background, but I did not expect a 2700RP debt over a 1200RP gained !
Thank you for to bring that into light. I've spaded 1200+ vehicles so far and didn't even know that this could happen. In case you don't know the Snail actually confirmed today that this "bug" in fact exists. Player: "Have they fixed bug that causing modification RP to disappear when playing after battle was not finished?" Developer: "Hi. No. This bug is a very complex issue that is being investigated. Sadly there is little more that I can really add at the moment."
fun fact this can also happen if you finish a vehicle research and a research tab for another vehicle at the same time. say you we're 300 away from a new vehicle and you finish a game with over like 2k rp and you finish a research tier that gives 2-3k you won't see any of the research tier rp added in
Catwerfer I truely have said this for YEARS. I noticed loosing alot of rp when I left a match early, gaijin usely just say LIKE ALWAYS *take it to the forums* so they don't care about it and your WILL NOT get any rp back I am 1000% sure of that, am gonna share this video whit everyone I play whit, putting this up on the warthunder forum is a sure way of getting it taken away
@creforce yeah a looot of people have experienced this, yet some people say it gets refunded all the time because sometimes it does seem to get refunded... but that ignores all the times it doesn't get refunded
Just completed my Italian tree this week, and I can say with decent certainty that Gajin uses the old RNG fifa slider over the course of researching a vehicle beyond about BR8.0 to ensure you don't quit mid-grind on the vehicles where you are having to work through hundreds of thousands of RP. It is definitely not a linear amount of RP reward throughout the process of researching a vehicle, either implicitly through sneaky things like this, or explicitly through the RNG/matchmaking. When you start researching the games are quite lucrative to push you through the half way point of the required research (makes sense, to stop you giving up), but when you get close to completing a vehicle's research, even despite having one game's worth RP left. You will almost ALWAYS be given a game where you result in having a menial amount of RP left (like a few hundred, sometimes even as low as 4RP left), meaning you /have/ to play another game. It's a dirty move, but I expect it of the Snail now and play accordingly. Oh and the bonus for unlocking a tree's top vehicle isn't that much, you don't notice it really. I honestly don't know why Italy have an 11.7 tank as it's worse than their 11.3. I genuinely think it's just so you have an option to use to get into 11.7 matchmaking.
FOLLOW UP VIDEO:
ua-cam.com/video/CUy922_E9jY/v-deo.html
Link to the Bug Report page on the issue:
community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Kg9VW8Vw8LvU
UPDATE: they're "working on a solution" as of 10/10/24
Comments are closed but maybe we can get something done if all of us hits the "I have the same issue" button
Also a few people have suggested a workaround to this by selecting the next modification to research preemptively if you know the previous game will give you enough research points to complete the first modification before joining the second match.
I haven't tested if it works but enough people have said it so it probably works.
There is another one closely related. If you get hit by enemy and are burning or without a wing or whatever, but you know you are done, if you J-out of your plane, you will have to pay full repair price. Only if you wait until you crash into ground, then you can leave the game and pay for whatever time you spent in the plane.
UA-cam deleted my other comment. For some reason, they don't believe in free speech.
@@mrsjatits lol idk if youtube hates you specifically. I dont think I've run into that specific bug myself so I can't really comment on it
@@CatWerfer well there is another reason to rant on a video and bring it to masses. Actually I am genuinely interested if this is a bug that nobody has noticed or if it happens only to me. It's a regular thing that happens in most if not all of my games when I J-out. What is silly, that if you crash your plane intentionally, then you pay repair cost for amount of time you used a vehicle. Let me find a link to the ticket and subscribe to you in hopes you can bring this to masses!
I mean I'm sure I could try and test this and you could be right but I don't think i'd make a video on that since a lot of planes' repair costs aren't that crazy imo, at least not after they rebalanced the costs...
@@CatWerfer but yeah, the overall economy is much better now. Just at these times when I grind for SL it's crazy annoying to pay 8k more for a game which in turn makes me loose money sometimes.
You will never see this kind of "spaghetti code" working the other way around, helping the player and lessening the grind.
I do remember there was one time where people were able to get free premium time by activating a link that only new players were supposed to use and as soon as gaijin found out they went around putting people in actual debt
@@CatWerfer yea, they were on that fast, guess this one is just reeealllyy hard for them to resolve xD What a greedy cretinous little company.
@@CatWerfer And then they banned people who used it
There was a period of time where crashing your bomber gave you ungodly amounts of RP, causing a period where there were like 10 people crashing at the start of every match
If such a thing happened it would get fixed in a day lmfao
I always saw this 0 overflow and thought: "that can't be right, there's no way RP is perfect to not overflow to the next modification this many times."
the human brain isn't great at processing true randomness but i guess if it's this off this consistently then we all start to question it...
Нещодавно я зловив таку думку коли після декількох боїв підряд за 10 вбивств на топтірі я отримав лише 1.5к лампочок до аімок
I always suspected I got less modifications research than I should. This explains it. This needs to be signal boosted.
Last night I granted like crazy my F4J and match after match the grind for the Aim7F was so incredibly slow I felt like a retard
This happens with vehicles too, I got a 34k RP game in the Mirage Milan, and I was researching a 200k-ish RP plane (forgot which), and I only had 10k rp left, but all of my 34k rp was gone
Your not missing any rp. When the next battle is completed researching the new mod it will be added to the research applied.
This is a well known bug that's been reported years ago, has hundreds "I have the same issue" votes and it's still tagged as "Open", meaning it still hasn't been forwarded to the devs.
"intentional" "game" "design"
@@CatWerfer Yep, this is a consistent bug. Also a big reason why I quit Air RB and War Thunder for the most part.
Just like the rest of the game: basically a facelifted 2014 beta game (got stale around 2018).
"well known bug that's been reported years ago" yet you are the only one in the comments section in the video, no one on reddit ever mentions this, no one on twitter mentions this, no one anywhere else... 5 or whatever amount of "i have the same issue" does not make the bug known
@@petrkdn8224I wouldn’t say he’s the only one cause I’ve also had it happen countless times in my time playing. Unless you always live trough your matches or don’t have jets I don’t know how more people haven’t had to deal with this.
@@petrkdn8224it's because people thought it's a feature, I didn't know it's a bug
"Gaijin 'MAY' be ripping us off" oh boy, that "may" is so adorable
lol
i wanted to go into these tests with an open mind and i started writing the script without actually having fully tested so i couldn't be for sure
Had this happen on vehicle research. Only needed 2k rp for the next vehicle, got 70k rp in a match. Gaijin said i had 0 extra
they're rationing rp as though its a wartime economy
Excuse me? 70k rp?
oof, thats alot of RP gone, R.I.P.
@@Denkmaldrubernacht back before they nerfed rockets on bases I got several air kills and 2 base kills in the F-4J(UK) with a 500% booster on
@@Denkmaldrubernacht With boosters, good premium vehicle, premium account and favorable conditions (high activity, good score, very long battle with a long lifespan, skill bonus and a win) you can get even more, my record is something around 90k on air rb I think
They also steal your rp if you don´t buy the vehicles to unlock a new rank, it just goes away if you´re not researching a vehicle.
And if that wasn´t enough, they also steal daily/special tasks. Sometimes when you get kills it doesn´t give them to you. For example, if your task is to kill aircraft, you can severely damage them, but if you exit the match before you got the kill confirmation, even if they end up dying, you don´t get anything.
Missing decals sometimes too.
🍝 Spaghetti code.
Just when you unlock the last veh in the rank, a mysterious snail appears next to you, he is armed with Desert Eagle and points it at your head whispering "cmon baby, buy that shid, we both know you want it right?"
@@penclaw 😆🤣
I've had "severe kill counted" not count for battlepass tasks with me still alive at the end of the match.
@danielzaba9913 severe damage thing has happened to me too but was rare enough that I didn't notice that much
This last USAF decal event I finished 3 ARB battles with activity greater than 70% and didn't get the decal.
Had to exit the game and log in again to get it.
**Looks at my British Bluewater Tech Tree**
Well, ship, now that explains a lot.
lmaoo as if the naval grind wasn't painful enough
Hence I never play non destroyers. Sailing takes forever
@ivan5595 coastal is also surprisingly engaging if you play the right ships, though it does get repetitive and the grind for that is also horrible
@@CatWerfer coastal is incredibly slept on. It's just mad max with speed boats
@impguardwarhamer yeah, i like 3.0 japan coastal. You have 2 gunboats with 40mm and 25mm and you can still throw some torpedo boats in for destroyers.
This is honestly sick Gaijin hasn’t changed their ways at all
they really do only listen when they want to
I'm not surprised
Ur duck@@borbduck
@borbduck ur duck not suprised
Exactly, they never will. They need to get fucked up in some way to force them to stop exploiting people.
10 years of playing the game, multiple trees completed 500+ aced vehicles, i have to be owed millions of RP at this point...
same brother :(
Unless they can work out a % lost, i doubt there is any way to even work out how much. IF it ever got fixed, it would be more like "bug report 2.2million: fix RP mismatch if leaving a game early" they will never admit that.
@Piesy001 I wouldn't be surprised tho considering the vast amount of stats that they keep track of especially just on the stat card itself and rp per vehicle
@@Piesy001 They did amidt that this "bug" exists just a couple hours ago.
@@CatWerfer Perhaps, I put my name down on the bug report incase. I also think I would be owed millions.
This video is gonna blow up
I hope it doesn't explode I spent a while making it :(
Lmao@@CatWerfer
@@CatWerfer It will explode in a good way :P and will end up giving Gaijin a facial.
*insert the rock raising his eyebrows with the vineboom sound effect*
@@CatWerfer 🤨
I made a bug report about this a year ago and they basically told me “that’s supposed to happen” I was livid
"intentional" "game" "design" "feature"
The fact that you can grind insanly effectively but still get scammed for RP is hilarious.
yeah this feels almost targeted at people who get a lot of rp per game
Hehehehe boiiiii😂, we Slavs know how scam and make people feel good while doing that.
And when they find out , we play stupid, aka we did not know anything about that bug 😂🤡
🐎🐒💩
Man, i've played this game for over 10 years and have had this happen countless times. Mostly i play Ground RB sometimes Air RB and this happens to me almost daily. I don't want to think about how much RP i've lost over the years. I just assumed it worked by giving it to you later... Never thought about it twice. Goes to show that shouldn't assume things. Great vid anyway, love the style!
Omfg yeah, exactly the same situation for me. Was kind of hoping to see someone comment this haha. Literally 10 years, constantly would see it happen but just never put much thought into it. Especially never thought it happened this often I mean, I know the sample size on this video is a bit small but if we go off of it.. what is that, a 30-50% rate at which a battle simply loses out your RP? Just for the audacity of wanting to play the game and not wait for every single battle.
You know, I always had this feeling that you would end up progressing faster if you generally played it safer, you would end up progressing a bit faster. With a sort of benchmark being that you're still in the match until the end, you would end up generally speaking getting more points in the battle over the long term due to just stacking smaller point gains instead or risking your life for a big score.
I wonder if this 'bug' was always a part of that feeling, and I just didn't notice it? Regardless, after playing for 10+ years, I can only imagine I've lost out on millions of RP too.
Holy shit. I thought I was losing like couple hundreds at a time... But apparently Gain owes me about 10% of my total RP.
Well I made a bug report a few years back and our beloved community thing Stoner deleted it as not reproduceable and not a bug.
Workaround is never start a match befor the old one endet. This bug is for planes tanks ships and helis.
That feel when we must learn to live with featured bug becoz gaijin devs and admins lack braincells and don't give a shid 🥲
@tuxontour hopefully by bringing more attention to it maybe they can finally fix it or at least tell us what the point of it is
There is a 3 year old bug report that has been acknowledged and still open to this day. A year ago trickzzter, as usual, closed the comments on the report.
It's intentional, they've been evil since the beginning.
I got banned off the old forums because NightOfTheAbyss (i think that was his name) was so bad at understanding bug reports and just disregarding them as "doesnt happen for me, therefore its not a bug and doesnt exist". Ofc when I complained to Stoner that he wasnt doing his job correctly and actually investigating bug reports he sided with NightOfTheAbyss.
Since then I have never bothered to report a single bug, even tho every time i play the game I find something that happens all the time, which is super simple to replicate and would take minutes to fix if WT had decent code. But no. Ill let Gaijin roll around in their bug filled mess of a game. Last update only made things worse, like buggy binos.... Again!
I got an even worse bug. I had 26k rp in the tech tree research. I inspected a plane I potentially wanted to research next and use the 26k rp for. I looked at the secondary weaponry and got stuck in an endless loop where I would go back to my Su25 secondary weaponry inspection, and pressing "back" would then pit me in the secondary weaponry inspection again.
I couldn't exit the loop and had to restart my game. The 26k rp was lost with that.
Fuck gaijin
@touchgrass7834 I've had instances where after i allocate modification research they make me re choose the mod I want to research for 0 rp and thought that was also dumb spaghetti but it was benign and never turned into what happened to you :(
@@CatWerfer it's a new bug since you can see the bombs equipped at your aircraft when you choose the loadout.
@@touchgrass7834 oh I see
I'm really not sure, but I think that the same kind of things happens with vehicles too. If you finish researching a vehicle with the RP from a previous match that ended while you were in a new one, you lose any RP from that match beyond what was needed to finish researching the vehicle.
@joundii3100 seems like others are agreeing with you. I feel like I recall that happening to me a few times in the past too, just much less frequently.
It does. While I was researching Finnish Mig 21 I was using 300%+ boosters and when I finished researching it and switched to AJS 37, my 15K+ of RP fucked off to another dimension. Gaijin owes me so much RP that I'd be richer than top 5 youtubers if I was to be compensated in GE.
@bottoms_up2175 it hurts so much more when you've already done all the hard work in game to get that rp especially with a booster and then they hit you with that "nuh uh"
It does, especially if you finish the rank and need the vehicle you researched to progress to the next rank. Recently while doing naval event, I needed around 600rp to finish some boat at rank 3, but I needed to buy this boat to get into the rank 4. I got around 5k RP during the game, then immediately got around 13k bonus RP from finishing the modification stage on a boat that I used during this game. I naturally finished researching that rank 3 boat, unlocked rank 4 but even tho I should have over 17k left from the battle + modification bonus, I had 0. I started researching, nothing got added to the research. After multiple games I was looking at the research bar, but the 17k RP was just gone completely. And losing 18k is even more painful on naval than on any other gamemode, its a massive amount, anyone crazy enough to play naval sometimes (like me) knows for sure how ridiculous that amount is. Probably that RP disappearing bug is very much present in naval, especially coastal, since you often leave before bluewater even have a chance to fight each other and usually you have like 3-4 ongoing games that you left earlier
It does, since I found this a few years ago I've let the match finish before starting a new match with that lineup.
Bro actually share this shit, it’s time for another boycott
You could put together a thorough investigation into team rigging and people still wouldn't care.
i think as long as they just get around to fixing it it would be fine for now, though there are still a lot of issues with the game beyond just this *cough*balancing*cough*f8u*
Wdym *another*? The first one had to have actually happened for a future boycott to be considered *another*. 😂
so... that where my rp went >:(
I was genuinely upset when I figured it out :(
It fucked off to Narnia.
@@bottoms_up2175 it left to get milk 😭
Snail at it, slowly... Like their bug fixes...
@@bottoms_up2175 its my MG-3 (i dont have an MG-3)
Snail is always riping ppl off. This is the sad story and true one. This video needs to be spread around :) Well done, and i have personally noted this too many times but tbh, never thought about it.
This is a Gaijin "feature"-
What do you expect? They clearly showed their true colors several dozen timed already.
Definitely worth a like and comment for the algorithm. Its absolutely insane how much RP is lost. Were absolutely getting scammed.
I've lost at least a hundred thousand RP or more it feels from this alone. I knew it had something to do with multiple matches ending and resolving but never knew how to mitigate it.
someone's suggested selecting the next modification to research before the first game ends, im wondering if that works...
If you think you will finish the mod next match, while old match is still hanging, start researching another mod. Alternatively you could fly another plane.
As for changing mod before game ends, it doesn't work, the RP will go to the mod selected before the match began
At least there is a way to mitigate it. I'm more annoyed at how the new "skill modifiers" make you unlock vehicles faster without increasing your rate of SL gain, so without premium you often end up unlocking a lot of vehicles which you can't afford. I'm certain they did it to incentivize good players to buy premium in an insidious way.
@KekusMagnus yeah, though I think its a general net positive move, we just need to push for sl to catch up with it
you can unlock a lot of vehicles and wait for a sale
@o-hogameplay185 this is true (and also what I'm planning to do for this november)
@@CatWerfer generally i have like over 10 or even over 20 vehicles that i buy during the sales, mostly higher BR ones. i could buy them anytime, but it is best to wait imo, since saving SL is always good.
and btw i dont have premium account. if a player plays at least OK then they will have a net SL profit
@o-hogameplay185 agreed, though I think that's also because i like to play props for nations I've already ground out so the rp I gain doesn't go into researching anything that I'd have to buy later. Some people on the other hand play exclusively top tier and I can see how that can be a net loss or not enough sl when you get to buying your next plane
Loving the old Detective Conan OST in the Background, let's hope inspector Megure will be able to apprehend the snail
@paolobellomi8056 I remember watching it as a kid and "rediscovered" it recently. Idk if this is nostalgia but I really like the old music and art style, way more than the new one.
Megure boutta get reeaal sleepy on this case
There is also a bug that prevents you from adding all modification researched bonus to helicopter reaserch. Lost around 90 000 RP in Japanese tech tree this way
damn i will keep this in mind when i decide to research helicopters (if i ever get around to it)
Once this becomes popular the steam reviews are going to go down the toilet
they still have a steam review page? after all thats happened? lol
I've had lots of '0 rp' messages and just assumed that it had all gone on upgrades I was researching. Didn't occur to me that it would be such a coincidence that I received exactly enough points to finish off what I was researching and no more. What a rip off! I'm starting to get bored with all this. Their copy/paste laziness, very few new lower tier vehicles, reduced battle pass rewards, br compression & constant uptiering.
I still really like playing this game and it has so much potential to be so much more, but every time gaijin does a dumb or gaijin does a greedy then it makes me question why i keep playing again (there's definitely a sunk cost fallacy in there somewhere)
I knew this for a while, that's why if I play several matches in a row in the same plane, I switch the modifications I research before each battle. Because it always researches the mod you've selected before the battle. If that research is completed, the RP will disappear. Switching what you research before each battle resolves that.
yeah this seems like the suggestion some people are making. It'd be nice if they fixed the problem tho
i want to add a bit to the video because its not only with the same vehicle. it even happens if you start a game with any other vehicle of any nation that the RP get lost if you get more RP then needed for a modification sadly. So you if you really dont want to lose RP and a modification will be finished after the game you have to wait till the game is over or it get lost when you start another with any ship, plane, helicopter or else the only thing is test drive where the RP dont get lost while you wait
huh I feel like it happens to me much less often when you switch vehicles
pretty much any time i want to play WT, i just think of the things they do, like this, and then dont play. im much more fulfilled.
steps to reaching self actualization:
step1: quit warthunder
step2: profit
I also thought it was just a visual bug. I hope this problem gets more attention
i just hope their fix isn't reducing the vehicle RP to the same amount as the modifications research cuz with gaijin that is entirely possible
Its funny how Enlisted got better research allocation lol, whenever you finish unlocking something there, the leftover exp turns into a free exp that you can use on anything without cost, not to mention how extremely cheap everything is after they lowered the credit cost for everything
@@AHappyCub maybe newer game so less spaghetti and meatballs?
@@CatWerfer Nah, using that excuse for such a simple and small system is BS, its nothing more than the suits making it harder for players
@@AHappyCub I'm not excusing them, just speculating why it may be. Gaijin has come surprisingly far for a game built on an arcadey propeller pew pew airplane game engine
@@CatWerfer I'm not accusing you, also gameplay wise War Thunder is WAY better especially tank to tank combat
@@AHappyCub 👍
Good thing you made this video, i hope it will make enough noise for Gaijin to finally do something about it. It's scary to think how much RP i lost because of this "feature".
hopefully even if my own video doesnt get the snail's attention, itll make enough of a splash that the big boy war thunder tubers will have to address it, I don't think I have nearly the reach that they do
It doesn't just happen with modifications but vehicles too. I lost out on over 20k rp the other day because of it. The fact that this is has been going on for over 7 years and Gaijin are fully aware of it means it is 100% intended. Just another way to slow down and frustrate the player so they're more willing to spend.
At the very least, there's a way around it: either stay in a match until the very end, even just in spectator view, or if you do leave the match early sit and wait in the hangar until the match does end. Alternatively, again if you do leave the match early, play another nation until the first match ends.
yeah a lotta people have told me about this too :(
Ew, Weeb.
u must be new to the internet
thanks for bringing this up, I've always found it sus that we get the exact rp amount for a certain mod and left with 0 for the next. Now this makes much more sense.
Remember this is also for ground units!
Everything really because all of the "War Accountant" logic is janky AF.
and also the 2 people who play naval apparently
@@CatWerfer2 people? Bloody hell naval player count more than doubled since 2023!
absolutely ludicrous, gaijin must be shidding their bants
There is another issue very similar to this one. If there is a rank, that's only unlocked, if all vehicles from the previous rank are researched, than all the excess rp you have from researching the final vehicle of a rank are going missing. This happens especially in naval tech trees, since they are mostly structured in a way, that requires you to research everything.
I have 100% had this happen, it just takes a lot longer to replicate so i don't have immediate visually documented proof but im pretty sure this is very common
I hope this video gets 100k+ views. The community needs to see this so gaijin actually does something about it.
Had a game where I got a ton of RP. Roughly 75k with boosters and premium and finished off a modification that only had like 200 RP left. Didnt see any of that 75k
Ffs, its a misunderstanding. I had it too.
The overflow RP gets added at the end of your next battle. Its spaghetti code, but it isnt shorting you out on RP.
My dude it has been over 18 hours and i've played like 10 more games in other nations and it still hasn't caught up
also with researching planes, i once got a 50+k rp game with some boosters and got no spear rp
@@AstroGamer_da_real :(
Love the music, that brings me back! Truly some sleuthing work right here.
wtf, and i was so naive believing this was a bug
i mean it took me 6+ years of playing this game to get off my ass and actually check too so im in the same boat
This is such an important video. Over the 10 years (fml) that I've played this game, I've noticed this very thing happening over and over and over again, but I couldn't be bothered to actually check it because as you said, I guess the RP just gets saved up for later. Nuh-uh, nope. Not with greedy gaijin. But here is something else I want to mention:
Is Gaijin incapable of tracking the modifications RP? I highly doubt it. For the 5th anniversary I believe it was, Gaijin gave you 10.000 GE if you purchased a certain ammount of GE prior. You're tellling me that they can keep track of how much GE you purchased over 5 YEARS but can't log the Mod RP gained for more than 1 match? Bullshit. Also yes, refunds are entirely possible. If I recall correctly, there was an instance where Gaijin made certain modifications stock and refunded the RP if you already researched and purchased them (I believe it was RWR). Yes, it works a bit differently, since it's a fixed ammount of RP for the modification but nonetheless a precedent is there.
TL;DR: I think this "bug" is a convenience for Gaijin. And as such, I would recommend that if you have seen this video and if you see this comment, head over to the forums and bug report this.
Edit: Going to the bug report page shows the issue as already have been reported. 3 years ago if not longer. 3 years and still no fix? Just remember that they put you in premium account debt if you claimed the bonus for new players, but refuse to refund the literal hundreds of thousands of RP lost through this "bug".
@schnitzelthunder7692 "not a bug" my ass.
Also yeah it is crazy how much "statistics" gaijin keeps track of so I do think 100% that they probably know exactly how much we're owed, though they're not likely to admit it...
this thing happens to me also with vehicle research and locating rp to new vehicle....
yeah some others are saying that that's the case
its wery frustrating when it happens with a thousands of rp from air simulator mission...
So glad this has gained such explosive popularity. This needs to be brought to attention, especially with the effort you put in to replicate the issue
Deja Vu lol, will use this knowledge for grinding the f-111f
bro are you a bot
@@CatWerfer wait did it comment on your other post because yt was telling me the comment wasn't going through lol
oh thats cuz i took the other video down cuz there were some audio issues lol, I thought you watched my video at like 725x speed and commented the instant this video got published
@@CatWerfer lol, i tried like 5 times to say the vid was super helpful and that i was going to rotate my grinding planes from now on
Glad you found it helpful! I was sitting on this video idea for a while but was too lazy to actually test it until now lol
Tf, this is unacceptable. As someone who has been playing for a long time I can't even comprehend how much modification research I must have lost.... I also just assumed they'd give the research after the next game and since it's a pain to calculate I'm assuming most people never did. Hope this gets more attention and gaijin actually does something about this....
i haven't experience this bug as far as i know of, until the dance of dragon update
@blazemk21 huh interesting, I feel like I can remember having this issue ever since I started playing air rb a lot, where I'd have to play the same plane repeatedly. At least that reddit post shows evidence of this from 7 years ago
glad someone is bringing this up. I always saw the 0 xp on the research page and thought that maybe it was a visual glitch. Crazy that one of the worst grinds in the game(stockgrind) is being made longer and more painful like this
If it makes the grind harder they dont give a f&%# but if it helps the grind they INSTANTLY fix it xD (this level of greed should be illegal)
@@hussamisen just the classic TripleA game studio "free" to play game moment
I genuinely thought I just happened to get *just* the right amount so many times, which surprised me but I didn't really think anything about it. Very systematic approach.
Makes the stock grind feeling so brutal make a little more sense.
Classic War Thunder bullshittery
what flavor of war thunder spaghetti do you like the best? mine is alfredo but classic tomato is pretty good too
I seen this thumbnail, and i had no reason to click idk what bullshit video was. Then it happened to me. I immediately remembered this video thumbnail i seen, repprted issue, and tried to find this video but didnt know the titile. Now week later i see it recomended again. Thanks so much for bringing up this issue!
It’s crazy how almost every problem War Thunder has can be tied back to them wanting to make money more than wanting a good game. I’m sure the devs are very passionate about WT, it’s a great game system, but the executive decisions really pull this game down. It could be so much better, I hope we get there someday
I feel like there used to be a lot of passion behind war thunder. if you look under the hood, the physics engine is suprisingly robust for a game that was meant to be an arcadey prop game from 2014, and i remember them going to different tank museums to intricately model each vehicle and even record their engine sounds, but i think that's a relic of a past era...
This game has so much potential and I feel like they are wasting it for the sake of money and its genuinely tragic
Detective Conan music, funny Epstein joke, good content. Instant like/sub
conan ost goated frfr
Have you submitted an official bug report on the forums?
@masterbaconman1 oh I should do that brb
Was wondering the same thing. Good that you investigated.
When I use big boosters I always make sure to stay in the match to the end to avoid this happening. Thanks for actually running the numbers, now I know I wasn't just being paranoid haha
i think a lot of us were paranoid about it, we just happened to be right
Hopefully this blows up because it's actually insane, thanks for the video man.
I’ve figured this out some years ago. I use to hang around the full match before I decided to take a few year long break. When I came back I was less patient and started leaving early and playing new games. I realized the whole 0rp stuff, assumed it was some ignored bug so since then I have a policy to wait for the match to end unless I’m 100% sure I won’t get a new modification, or I can just play another vehicle.
unfortunately i am also impatient and if i want to spade a vehicle i do try to play it repeatedly until its done. I guess i should change that up for now...
Conan music in the background? This video is already a masterclass.
We need to make a big stink about this, thanks for actually breaking it down and confirming it. I have always felt that something was up but never confirmed it.
We NEED to bring attention to this!
Great and informative video, thanks for going thru the research process and giving us some results. 👏🏾
this needs more attention, the fact you also noticed, most popular voices GE through modifications and wont' notice it, so almost appears to be hush money
lol i dont know if i would go that far, they probably didn't notice it and test it. I didn't think it was happening until i actually ran the numbers
I only play SIM, and I noticed this long time ago. When I leave a macth before the end, the next I play with a different country to avoid it.
Fun fact this same thing happens to vehicle researches
if you are close to finishing the research of a vehicle and lets say in game 1 you get enough to fully get the vehicle but leave before it finishes and then hop into game 2 before game 1 has finished game 2s rp will mysteriously vanish
Thank you for bringing this to light, as I've experienced this many times myself.
Thank you for posting! Saw this video linked on Reddit! I hope Gaijin gets some preasure regarding this topic!
o i didn't post it there but its cool that people are sharing it :)
Thank you for making this video, I've been frustrated about this for so many years... First real outcry I see about this besides the small forum posts once a year.
ikr? it seems like this was what everyone has been thinking and experiencing, how has no big youtube channel brought it up yet?
@@CatWerfer Not that I know of, I would have made a video myself but I was never bothered with it as I felt coming from a nobody it would have no effect. Maybe bringing this to the attention of someone like DEFYN could bring change. It's especially frustrating when grinding a pain in the ass plane to spade it and then you finally have a really good match where you lose 90% of the mod RP because of this glitch, almost as if you did nothing in the end...
yeah maybe one of the big boys can speak for us...
Nice bro, your channel is getting more and more goated by the day!
I mean as bad as this grand theft rp really is atleast it lets you farm more sl so that it keeps up with your research in case you're running low on it lol, but really tho imagine using like a 500% rp booster and getting an amazing match (impossible) and you get robbed out of all of those sweet mods you could've gotten
Thanks man! I dont think ive had it rob my boostered games but i would be pretty devastated if they did
Gonna share this to my WT-related servers. Thanks for this video. I was totally unaware of that D: !
Thanks for the feedback! I go a bit more in depth on what I think the problem is in my follow up video so check that out too if you have the time :)
@@CatWerfer that was the one I found on home page, but you clearly said that you refer to this one, so I watched this one first ;)
Thats a really good video and quite important subject. It happens with vehicles too, especially if you finish the rank and need the vehicle you researched to progress to the next rank. The most recent example: while doing current naval event, I needed around 600rp to finish some boat at rank 3, but I needed to buy this boat to get into the rank 4. I got around 5k RP during the game, then immediately got around 13k bonus RP from finishing the modification stage on a boat that I used during this game. I naturally finished researching that rank 3 boat, unlocked rank 4 but even tho I should have over 17k left from the battle + modification bonus, I had 0. I started researching, nothing got added to the research. After multiple games I was looking at the research bar, but the 17k RP was just gone completely. And losing 17k is really painful on naval, its a massive amount, anyone crazy enough to play naval sometimes (like me) knows for sure how ridiculous the grind is there. Probably that RP disappearing bug is actually the most present in naval, especially coastal, since you often leave before bluewater even have a chance to fight each other and usually you have like 3-4 ongoing games that you left earlier
brother i got to germany coastal rank 3 and then gave up. you gotta have a willpower made of steel to play that godforsaken gamemode for how pitious the rewards are
@@CatWerfer I was just focused on the event cause I have Karl Marx from squadron points and got Bussard from the SL crates. Research was just a side effect of doing the event, but Bernau looks decent so I was hoping to get close to it during the event but well, pretty helpful 17k went to another dimension
yeah i ground out up to rank 3 so that i could do the battlepass tasks then realized that germany didnt have the class of vehicles i needed to do that specific task and so just stopped
@@CatWerfer Typical Gaijin giving us a challenge that only some one specific japanese rank 4 boat can do lmao Naval is crazy, getting 3k RP with premium and premium boats for a 1st place in a 20 minutes game to research a rank 4 that costs 220k is just nuts. Snail tries to get people to play naval, but its boring, unbalanced and have the worst grind of all the gamemodes, I wonder why nobody plays it
So glad someone made a video about this. This problem is long overdue to be called out
I have encountered this too, but didn't think of it too much as I assumed the RP loss would be minimal. But this is actually a lot more than I thought! Gaijin has screwed up big time here, and it is long past time to be addressed and fixed. While I agree that some compensation would fit, I don't think it is possible to gather how many RP a player, let alone all players, have lost.
A few weeks ago I got 1 mil SL as daily reward. I was excited so I even took a screenshot of it. Well I logged back in the next day and got the daily reward for the same amount of days again. Only this time I got some backup's and the 1 Million SL where gone...
Btw a really great video. Good information, testing and proofing, straight to the point while still being entertaining! Hope this will get alot of attention!
you reached the upper income tax bracket and so had to nuke your assets (if that happens and you had a screenshot you could probably submit a bug report)
Seen this "bug" for as long as I've been playing, and just lumped it in with the long list of reasons why despite me personally enjoying the game (sometimes) I still gave a Negative Steam review.
Unfortunately, your testing seems to have validated my assumption, and my review will remain unchanged. Thanks for doing the good work to keep Gaijin honest - or at least, expose their bullshit to the open air.
Thank you for bringing attn to this I will be sharing this to my friends group who did not believe me when I stated this was happening, I have played through 4 tech trees and didn’t really start noticing till I was almost done with the second. They did not believe me when I told them I was losing research to the ether when flying the same plane repeatedly and researching modifications, it can happen with vehicle RP too, if you finish researching something in an unfinished match and start another you may lose leftover RP from that research. I always felt it was off but sometimes it comes back after a log in most times it doesn’t.
It is the worst when the game gaslights you so hard that it gets you to gaslight others :(
I noticed this issue early after being serious with the air grind after 1 year of playing, while some of my friends still hadn't noticed it. With the exception of events or playing with friends, I never go into another match if the previous one is not done yet.
yeah i reported this years ago my self and got linked to the link you post, i am shocked that no CC are talking about this even though i have send messages to multiple of them about this
yeah...metoo...
I didn't really paid attention to that, i just assumed just as you said and didn't bat an eye. Maybe few times in my 10 years career i actually stopped and thought something isn't adding up, but put that on my exhaustion and not paying enough attention to post battle report.
yeah and its only recently that they made postbattle reports actually useful, before they hardly told you anything about where your RP and SL came from. the update to the postbattle report is a rare gaijin dub (though it was probably a part of the roadmap after the reviewbombs so i cant say they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart)
Funny thing that happens is when you finish researching a vehicle, if you ever want to check the secondary weapons/mods of a vehicle you're not sure you want to research, you will loose your RP since you didn't allocated them immediately to a unit
The percentage of RP owed is actually insane. I always guessed there was an issue in the background, but I did not expect a 2700RP debt over a 1200RP gained !
yeah... youd think it would get refunded eventually but no its still not caught up despite what people are saying
This is why I stay and spectate if I have a good game and know I’ll unlock a modification when it ends
yup
Same issue with any of the rp research for tanks and tank parts. It trims off a lot of RP. Figured it was a feature...
they should make a war thunder wiki page on it if it's an intentional game mechanic lol
@@CatWerfer like the wiki is accurate... q.q
at least its somewhere that ingame mechanics can be documented... but true some of the stuff on there is pretty misleading or just opinions
Thank you for to bring that into light. I've spaded 1200+ vehicles so far and didn't even know that this could happen.
In case you don't know the Snail actually confirmed today that this "bug" in fact exists.
Player: "Have they fixed bug that causing modification RP to disappear when playing after battle was not finished?"
Developer: "Hi. No. This bug is a very complex issue that is being investigated. Sadly there is little more that I can really add at the moment."
yeah i saw the "update" from smin. It's not much but at least it's something
Thank you for making this! I thought I was going insane but I was getting scammed!!!
Leaving a comment to boost engangement, so more people can see how shady Gaijin really is
War thunder players when they realize for the 4,872,527th time that their game is trying to milk them for every penny they’re worth
Great investigation.
I face this issue too. I hope the community blows up on Gaijin about it
i've had this always happen in the past few days, literally all of them, modifications, vehicles, anything
This is a big problem, thx for making this video
fun fact this can also happen if you finish a vehicle research and a research tab for another vehicle at the same time. say you we're 300 away from a new vehicle and you finish a game with over like 2k rp and you finish a research tier that gives 2-3k you won't see any of the research tier rp added in
Catwerfer I truely have said this for YEARS.
I noticed loosing alot of rp when I left a match early, gaijin usely just say LIKE ALWAYS *take it to the forums* so they don't care about it and your WILL NOT get any rp back I am 1000% sure of that, am gonna share this video whit everyone I play whit, putting this up on the warthunder forum is a sure way of getting it taken away
@creforce yeah a looot of people have experienced this, yet some people say it gets refunded all the time because sometimes it does seem to get refunded... but that ignores all the times it doesn't get refunded
Thank you for investigating, looking forward to see if my theory is confirmed xD.
Ah, my theory was this but with the added hooplah of clicking on a different crew. Nice work.
Just completed my Italian tree this week, and I can say with decent certainty that Gajin uses the old RNG fifa slider over the course of researching a vehicle beyond about BR8.0 to ensure you don't quit mid-grind on the vehicles where you are having to work through hundreds of thousands of RP. It is definitely not a linear amount of RP reward throughout the process of researching a vehicle, either implicitly through sneaky things like this, or explicitly through the RNG/matchmaking.
When you start researching the games are quite lucrative to push you through the half way point of the required research (makes sense, to stop you giving up), but when you get close to completing a vehicle's research, even despite having one game's worth RP left. You will almost ALWAYS be given a game where you result in having a menial amount of RP left (like a few hundred, sometimes even as low as 4RP left), meaning you /have/ to play another game. It's a dirty move, but I expect it of the Snail now and play accordingly.
Oh and the bonus for unlocking a tree's top vehicle isn't that much, you don't notice it really. I honestly don't know why Italy have an 11.7 tank as it's worse than their 11.3. I genuinely think it's just so you have an option to use to get into 11.7 matchmaking.
@_burd lol it's the opt in for super hardcore mode for finishing normal hardcore mode