One thing to keep in mind also is that while QB is probably not in the same "universe" as AW/Control, we know that people in the RCU can get glimpses into other worlds (Alan writing about Max Payne, Alan Wake being a video game in QB), so ripples may still reach "across" the universes.
I think that's the biggest thing j try to get across. The Oldest House is kind of an analogue of Stephen King's Dark Tower. Just because QB exists in another universe doesn't mean parts of the QB and Control/AW universe bleed over into one another
@@GamingUniversityUoG Whoa. You just blew my mind. Stephen King even says the lot where the rose grows is in New York and then they built a bigass tower over it to protect it. I believe the oldest house is in NY too. I love the idea that the dark tower could at least even been an inspiration for the oldest house
@@GamingUniversityUoG I think the game got off to a really bad first impression by being a "TV" game only on Xbox One, amidst the absolutely awful "TV TV TV" announcement. Microsoft pretty much lost that console generation just by trying hard to appeal to anyone except gamers, and it made Quantum Break look like it was another attempt to be anything but a game.
@@njdub3319 I do the same with the 'trilogy' of Alan Wake (and american nightmare) / Quantum break and Control. The Remedy verse is so full of great games (even if I don't really like Max Payne)
I think the first direct mention was This House of Dreams in 2012. I did hear mention some ideas made it into Alan Wale but they are so obscure I'm not sure what they are referring to.
And that's why I love Remedy ❤️ and that's why I hope someday to see a Quantum Break sequel. Great lore and hidden easter eggs, like the 2 hidden ones about Dylan in Control (the vision when Jesse touches the containment glass room and his hidden hotline call). Absolutely love that 🤩
I think the Ordinary outage and rise in crime might be a reference to This House of Dreams, with Samantha's light switch knocking out power across her neighborhood and getting several break-ins. The timeline would be totally wrong, so I think that's meant as a joke and not a connection.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I mean, we know of a first outage done by Samantha. And we know from Control she was under FDC surveillance. What we don't know is if she ever used her 'clicker' again, and caused this second outage. Question is how would it be connected to the equation being solved
Most people don’t realize that “Mr. Door” in Control as mentioned by Dylan is Martin Hatch or at least a version of him. He is a shifter amd can shift between timelines which can be seen as shifting between realities such as in one timeline/reality Alex Casey being a book character, and in another timeline is a real person. I think Remedy maybe always intended for Quantum Break to be included in the wider Remedyverse and Martin Hatch is that connection. But Microsoft being microsoft wont release the IP so they may have to make a different version of him such as they did with Max Payne renaming him Alex Casey. Mr. Hatch? Mr. Door? Sam Lake thinks like this, and would write the character in a way so people can infer who it is. Door is another name for Hatch and is easy for people to grasp that Martin Hatch is Mr. Door as Dylan even says Mr. Door shifts between realities. Timelines and realities are one in the same in certain conditions. This is the QB connection in Control, but still so many people miss it.
also why would Microsoft? Would you just give away anything that has the potential to make you money through others art. Also, regardless of that and the noticeable differences and changes to each games world not to mention that The End of Time is still an impending future event in the world of Quantum Break and the nature of "worlds within worlds some in between some side to side and some stacked on top" of the main world of the Remedyverse its unlikely that the intention was that without a doubt Quantum Break was so absolute in existences that within the same world but one side to side and possibly parallel that of the Remedyverse
I'm hoping we'll hear about the "Riverport AWE" in Control 2 and how the FBC managed to contain the damages. I'd imagine they have some kind of tech or a walled-off section of Research that specializes in time anomalies. Better yet, they hire former Monarch employees into that department.
I feel like it might say something about me that when you talked about the most logical reason for the electrician's political rival dying in a faulty wiring accident, my immediate thought was that he sabotaged the DA's wiring somehow to simultaneously eliminate a rival and advance his agenda of... something to do with electrical wiring regulation.
The murder committed by Weinz sounds nearly identical to the murder committed by someone you can overhear being interrogated in Max Payne 2. It's just my own head canon, but I like the idea of Max Payne and QB taking place in the same plane of reality.
I'd love a quantum break/control crossover of some sort. Quantum Break was the last Remedy game I played since I found Control first a month or so ago then from there I played Alan Wake then QB and the Alan Wake references in Control were so cool! Imagine if they could give Quantum Break the same treatment? I reckon it would be amazing!
@@GamingUniversityUoG Wouldn't it be somewhat difficult to incorporate it now? It would require a very convoluted narrative and a few small updates to make things align but I suppose that the former is Remedy's speciality and the latter would be a labour of love, which Remedy may have in them.
It sounds like the third ripples are extra dimension Effects that are tooo "random" for people to notice. But an "higher" Entity might be able to notice. Also. sometimes beings outside of Time can make your Effect your Cause.
I've always liked the idea that going back in time could create a sort of "quantum reroll" effect, where just the act of going back means that events that involve the probabilistic collapse of a quantum wave function have a chance to turn out differently. So it could be that the power outage was caused by something like an errant electron tunneling in a weird way
For me, the power outage was simply caused by the fixed core (and priming the time machine) consuming a tiny bit more energy, or perhaps the oposite. Like, perhaps the broken core caused a higher energy consumption, which prevented an overflow of power to end up in Ordinary, Main, causing this outage. Now with that gone, there was nothing to "syphon off" the energy, causing the outage. Just imagine a small energy network with a light bulb and a toaster attached to the same energy source. Now imagine there being a faulty setup that would cause too much energy to end up in the light bulb, which would break it, but due to the Toaster being plugged in and it using that extra energy, the network is "stable". Unplugging it however (which in this case means stabilizing the core) causes the extra energy to now flow into the bulb, making it burn out. That's how I imagine/explain this cause.
I think you kind of missed the point about the Paul "the punch" part. Not that it makes much difference but with that name paul was definitely a part of the mob and with his political rival dying of electrocution it's hinted that Paul had a part in his demise, not that he died because of a mistake on Paul's replacements end.
If these people can see the Quantum Ripples and tell what happens, then these people have to have 5th dimensional travel capability of some sort, like Hatch theoretically. Humans have developed 4th dimensional travel (time) but you would really need to have a 5th dimensional viewpoint to track some of these ripples. You would need a "control" timeline of some sort to be able to tell the action created a surge in the Dairy market for example
One problem I have with this mechanic is that Quantum Break works in a single closed loop, where there is no changing events that have already happened. With that basis, how can they logically document these ripples without another unchanged/un-rippled timeline to compare it up against? How could they possibly know these changes cause events that were already seemingly destined to happen?
Taking a BREAK from Control ay i love this game too i need to get it but i never find The TIME to oh well no RIPPLE effects so it's good. Lol and Drako...I'm not apologising hehe. Respect and keep up the epic work.
my theory on the ordinary ripple is that it somehow led to the ordinary incident from Control, or is at least connected somehow to the not mother and the past of jesse and dylan faedn and the plot of control
Do you ever just do game recaps? So like, if someone doesn't have the time or money to play one of the games you research, they can still make sense of your content? I would love to see just plain full game recaps in your playlists. (Love your content regardless by the way. Big fan!)
The power outage and crime spike are def an awe caused by the ripple right? How is time related though hm. This would have been after the slide awe too I guess, that town can't catch a break huh. I've always thought that when people refer to the FBC in things before control they just messed up the name lol
I like to think that the FBC was originally the FBAWE, but when our boy Alan Wake started writing Jesse Dylan Faden's story, it became the FBC and Jesse Dylan Faden became Jesse AND Dylan Faden
I think it's plausible that Alan could have renamed the FBC, but I don't think he was the one that split Jesse/Dylan. A manuscript page in American Nightmare mentions that when reality is rewritten, those who have been directly touched by powers that can shift reality are able to recognize the change. I'm pretty sure Polaris would count as one of these powers, so any revisions later than 2002, Jesse should be able to notice. I think she would notice if she traveled across the country to rescue her brother that she didn't have a year ago.
More that it was adjusted eyen they sat down to write Control. Remedy even copyrighted Bureau of Altered World Events back in 2012. Minds were changed since then.
i'm leaving another comment because i have more thoughts about this. and they are as follows: fuck capitalism man. quantum break is obviously supposed to be a part of the RCU, sam lake's just not allowed to say it because they don't 'own' the game anymore or whatever. doesn't that make you drive up a wall? it certainly does me edit: typo
I hate to say it but if we get any confirmation for QB2 or an RCU official link I will celebrate just as much as Alan wake 2. I love AW more but I always expected that to happen. I don't expect more QB al if we get it I'll be freaking out
Dean, I've caught you lying about your age. No person of my generation would let Doctor Morphin and Doctor Ranger pass without comment.
Totally. I'm actually an 1890s kid.
If they work together I bet they are a mighty power to be reckoned with...
I may not have been around the 1890's myself but I certainly grew up watching mmpr followed by the other series.
Dr Morphin and Dr Ranger well Break he had to let them pass they had to check THE POWER GRID.
So i don't know why you ZED that for.
😏 hehe.
One thing to keep in mind also is that while QB is probably not in the same "universe" as AW/Control, we know that people in the RCU can get glimpses into other worlds (Alan writing about Max Payne, Alan Wake being a video game in QB), so ripples may still reach "across" the universes.
I think that's the biggest thing j try to get across. The Oldest House is kind of an analogue of Stephen King's Dark Tower. Just because QB exists in another universe doesn't mean parts of the QB and Control/AW universe bleed over into one another
@@GamingUniversityUoG Whoa. You just blew my mind. Stephen King even says the lot where the rose grows is in New York and then they built a bigass tower over it to protect it. I believe the oldest house is in NY too. I love the idea that the dark tower could at least even been an inspiration for the oldest house
Qb is in my top 5 games all time. Idc what anyone says, it's a masterpiece. Thanks for covering it
You got it! It's a great game I agree. I think people were just thrown off by the TV show integration.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I think the game got off to a really bad first impression by being a "TV" game only on Xbox One, amidst the absolutely awful "TV TV TV" announcement.
Microsoft pretty much lost that console generation just by trying hard to appeal to anyone except gamers, and it made Quantum Break look like it was another attempt to be anything but a game.
Agreed, one of my comfort games I play every year
@@njdub3319 I do the same with the 'trilogy' of Alan Wake (and american nightmare) / Quantum break and Control.
The Remedy verse is so full of great games (even if I don't really like Max Payne)
Same. So underrated
It's amazing how far back this remedy-verse goes.
I think the first direct mention was This House of Dreams in 2012. I did hear mention some ideas made it into Alan Wale but they are so obscure I'm not sure what they are referring to.
And that's why I love Remedy ❤️ and that's why I hope someday to see a Quantum Break sequel.
Great lore and hidden easter eggs, like the 2 hidden ones about Dylan in Control (the vision when Jesse touches the containment glass room and his hidden hotline call).
Absolutely love that 🤩
How do I get his hotline?
The fact they didn't make the Morphin and Ranger joke has earned my sub. I'm sure that took a lot of effort. 😌
I think the Ordinary outage and rise in crime might be a reference to This House of Dreams, with Samantha's light switch knocking out power across her neighborhood and getting several break-ins. The timeline would be totally wrong, so I think that's meant as a joke and not a connection.
I considered mentioning it but like that you said the timeline is off. The outage for Samantha happened in 2012 and this power outage was in 2016.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I mean, we know of a first outage done by Samantha. And we know from Control she was under FDC surveillance.
What we don't know is if she ever used her 'clicker' again, and caused this second outage. Question is how would it be connected to the equation being solved
I feel so sorry for Beth... it's like her entire life and free will was stolen from her by these events.
She is definitely my favorite character from a characterization and narrative perspective. I literally cried the first time I played it.
Most people don’t realize that “Mr. Door” in Control as mentioned by Dylan is Martin Hatch or at least a version of him. He is a shifter amd can shift between timelines which can be seen as shifting between realities such as in one timeline/reality Alex Casey being a book character, and in another timeline is a real person. I think Remedy maybe always intended for Quantum Break to be included in the wider Remedyverse and Martin Hatch is that connection. But Microsoft being microsoft wont release the IP so they may have to make a different version of him such as they did with Max Payne renaming him Alex Casey. Mr. Hatch? Mr. Door? Sam Lake thinks like this, and would write the character in a way so people can infer who it is. Door is another name for Hatch and is easy for people to grasp that Martin Hatch is Mr. Door as Dylan even says Mr. Door shifts between realities. Timelines and realities are one in the same in certain conditions. This is the QB connection in Control, but still so many people miss it.
^ THIS.
Most do, anyone familiar which Alan Wake 1,2 Quantum Break and Control at least
also why would Microsoft? Would you just give away anything that has the potential to make you money through others art. Also, regardless of that and the noticeable differences and changes to each games world not to mention that The End of Time is still an impending future event in the world of Quantum Break and the nature of "worlds within worlds some in between some side to side and some stacked on top" of the main world of the Remedyverse its unlikely that the intention was that without a doubt Quantum Break was so absolute in existences that within the same world but one side to side and possibly parallel that of the Remedyverse
I'm hoping we'll hear about the "Riverport AWE" in Control 2 and how the FBC managed to contain the damages. I'd imagine they have some kind of tech or a walled-off section of Research that specializes in time anomalies. Better yet, they hire former Monarch employees into that department.
A room with a scale replica of the bridge thats glitching in QB
I feel like it might say something about me that when you talked about the most logical reason for the electrician's political rival dying in a faulty wiring accident, my immediate thought was that he sabotaged the DA's wiring somehow to simultaneously eliminate a rival and advance his agenda of... something to do with electrical wiring regulation.
Guess I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Gotta love Remedy Storytelling!
@university gamer did you notice the Victorian mirror altered item was shown within quantum break. It's in the library!
I never did! I'll have to go check. I know Remedy recycled assets so that may be why. It is coming for game developers.
The murder committed by Weinz sounds nearly identical to the murder committed by someone you can overhear being interrogated in Max Payne 2.
It's just my own head canon, but I like the idea of Max Payne and QB taking place in the same plane of reality.
Dr. Morphin and Dr. Ranger. I wonder if there is a third Dr. Mighty somewhere.
Maybe their supervisor
I'd love a quantum break/control crossover of some sort. Quantum Break was the last Remedy game I played since I found Control first a month or so ago then from there I played Alan Wake then QB and the Alan Wake references in Control were so cool! Imagine if they could give Quantum Break the same treatment? I reckon it would be amazing!
I'm looking forward to them posai bbn lyrics bringing QB into the mix. Once they work out their IP issue with Microsoft
the ram statue is in the background of the return trailer?! i- i can't. quantum break my absolute beloved.
Haha yeah they really were pushing for something with that
I had no idea that Quantum Break was so connected to the Remedyverse, it is kind of sad that things got in the way of it being properly included.
I'm still holding out hope we will get more of it. Not holding my breath but I have the hope
@@GamingUniversityUoG Wouldn't it be somewhat difficult to incorporate it now? It would require a very convoluted narrative and a few small updates to make things align but I suppose that the former is Remedy's speciality and the latter would be a labour of love, which Remedy may have in them.
It sounds like the third ripples are extra dimension Effects that are tooo "random" for people to notice. But an "higher" Entity might be able to notice. Also. sometimes beings outside of Time can make your Effect your Cause.
If they ever tie it up I have no idea how they're gonna deal with Jesse Faden meeting Beth
If they ever do.
Love the Quantum Break content💪
The internet presence for this game is criminally underrated
I've always liked the idea that going back in time could create a sort of "quantum reroll" effect, where just the act of going back means that events that involve the probabilistic collapse of a quantum wave function have a chance to turn out differently. So it could be that the power outage was caused by something like an errant electron tunneling in a weird way
1:00 a minute in and a power rangers reference? Nice
Lmao yeah Remedy really slipped that in there.
i love remedy studios
Their storytelling and world building is incredible
Morphin & Ranger huh, I suspect one was mighty and the other had power. 😂
Oh Dear lol. And yes it was an awesome easter egg.
For me, the power outage was simply caused by the fixed core (and priming the time machine) consuming a tiny bit more energy, or perhaps the oposite.
Like, perhaps the broken core caused a higher energy consumption, which prevented an overflow of power to end up in Ordinary, Main, causing this outage. Now with that gone, there was nothing to "syphon off" the energy, causing the outage.
Just imagine a small energy network with a light bulb and a toaster attached to the same energy source. Now imagine there being a faulty setup that would cause too much energy to end up in the light bulb, which would break it, but due to the Toaster being plugged in and it using that extra energy, the network is "stable". Unplugging it however (which in this case means stabilizing the core) causes the extra energy to now flow into the bulb, making it burn out.
That's how I imagine/explain this cause.
Welp… time to go back to quantum break.
It's about that time of year lol
I think you kind of missed the point about the Paul "the punch" part. Not that it makes much difference but with that name paul was definitely a part of the mob and with his political rival dying of electrocution it's hinted that Paul had a part in his demise, not that he died because of a mistake on Paul's replacements end.
I was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Yeah it is possible it was a malicious act.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I understand, apologies if that came across as rude. Are you ever going to do anything on the fear and hunger games?
Hell yeah! More Quantum Break content please.
I have another idea ready for it. Just need the patrons to let it win a vote lol
5:12
It's fucking crazy that you were right about this shit
Love your content and detail/editing to it, bro.
Very much appreciate it! Glad you enjoy
If these people can see the Quantum Ripples and tell what happens, then these people have to have 5th dimensional travel capability of some sort, like Hatch theoretically.
Humans have developed 4th dimensional travel (time) but you would really need to have a 5th dimensional viewpoint to track some of these ripples. You would need a "control" timeline of some sort to be able to tell the action created a surge in the Dairy market for example
Woulsnt surprise me if Hatch gave over some technology that allows for this. Considering we are talking about one of the Doors here.
One problem I have with this mechanic is that Quantum Break works in a single closed loop, where there is no changing events that have already happened. With that basis, how can they logically document these ripples without another unchanged/un-rippled timeline to compare it up against? How could they possibly know these changes cause events that were already seemingly destined to happen?
Taking a BREAK from Control ay i love this game too i need to get it but i never find The TIME to oh well no RIPPLE effects so it's good.
Lol and Drako...I'm not apologising hehe.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
Lmao I gave you clear instructions found and you're delivering. Drako needs to focus more on TIME KNIFE!
@@GamingUniversityUoG Twist THE TIME KNIFE in lol.
Absolutely awesome content!! You guys surely put a lot of work into this research. Bravo!
"Dr. Morphin and Dr. Ranger"
My Brain: Mighty morph'in power rangers...
Oh it is 100% intentional lol
my theory on the ordinary ripple is that it somehow led to the ordinary incident from Control, or is at least connected somehow to the not mother and the past of jesse and dylan faedn and the plot of control
Do you ever just do game recaps? So like, if someone doesn't have the time or money to play one of the games you research, they can still make sense of your content? I would love to see just plain full game recaps in your playlists. (Love your content regardless by the way. Big fan!)
The power outage and crime spike are def an awe caused by the ripple right? How is time related though hm. This would have been after the slide awe too I guess, that town can't catch a break huh. I've always thought that when people refer to the FBC in things before control they just messed up the name lol
I like to think that the FBC was originally the FBAWE, but when our boy Alan Wake started writing Jesse Dylan Faden's story, it became the FBC and Jesse Dylan Faden became Jesse AND Dylan Faden
I think it's plausible that Alan could have renamed the FBC, but I don't think he was the one that split Jesse/Dylan. A manuscript page in American Nightmare mentions that when reality is rewritten, those who have been directly touched by powers that can shift reality are able to recognize the change. I'm pretty sure Polaris would count as one of these powers, so any revisions later than 2002, Jesse should be able to notice. I think she would notice if she traveled across the country to rescue her brother that she didn't have a year ago.
@@Generallybreak it would have happened happened when they were kids aroudn the tiem they found that slide projector
@@wintertrooper7918 Then I think that would be too early to be Alan; the Ordinary AWE was 2002, Alan didn't fall into the Dark Place until 2010.
@@Generallybreak retroactive reality warping retcon
The power outage could just be that a stadium filled with sport fans, cancelled the game because of the outage and a riot broke out.
Sounds like a few football games out here in california
Morphin and Ranger, hmmm Mighty Morphin Power Ranger.
You know that's their department theme song
Morphin? Ranger? That's a little on the nose
Lol Remedy has never been subtle
4:06 RM “”Yeah, it could be an alien!””
TR “”God....””
I can’t be the only one that’s Ben in a situation just like T.R. We know that silent scream.
I LOVE their banter haha. We all know people who go off like that. We do know that silent scream
Or someone else changed the name of the AWE to control. Ripple...or
More that it was adjusted eyen they sat down to write Control. Remedy even copyrighted Bureau of Altered World Events back in 2012. Minds were changed since then.
i'm leaving another comment because i have more thoughts about this. and they are as follows: fuck capitalism man. quantum break is obviously supposed to be a part of the RCU, sam lake's just not allowed to say it because they don't 'own' the game anymore or whatever. doesn't that make you drive up a wall? it certainly does me
edit: typo
I hate to say it but if we get any confirmation for QB2 or an RCU official link I will celebrate just as much as Alan wake 2. I love AW more but I always expected that to happen. I don't expect more QB al if we get it I'll be freaking out