Why the current teams are trying to BLOCK Andretti's F1 entry
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Andretti Cadillac is the only team with FIA approval to join the F1 grid, but there remains a significant barrier to joining the grid as they need the approval of the commercial rights holder. This doesn't seem like it is going to happen soon, so what more must Andretti do to join the F1 grid?
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It's just greed and fear of competition
Yup. That’s all. I know hitler Wolff is the biggest proponent of a new team entering
@@TellURide447 No you don't - you need to put up proof rather than just assert and your reference to Wolff is childish in the extreme.
Greed for sure, fear of competition not at all, probably mostly the disgust for peasants, just those stars and stripes in the badge scream hillbilly enough not to want them anywhere near the elites of racing.
Dunno why they'd be afraid of competition from Andretti. It's likely to become a backmarker team.
@@greatBLTlol you have zero clue what you’re talking about 😂
Andretti jumped through all the hoops to get approved. Teams should have ZERO say after that and any opposition should be taken as shameful behavior of a weak team.
Work for your lunch, don’t expect a handout regardless of race pace and call yourself the “pinnacle of racing”.
Forcing the issue by whining.
@@ronbelanger4113 So freakin' what? Like any of the teams in F1 aren't perpetual whiners that throw a tantrum at any slight they perceive.
Again, F1 should force the teams to never have a say in this and any team attempting to oppose a team that has jumped through all the requirements should be shamed publicly.
As someone who doesn't really like the idea of Andretti, I still must agree with you. F1 is changing the rules during the game way to often. Both on and off track.
rubbish you dont understand f1
@@paullowen2707 too bad then for F1 teams
Stefano would rather add 5 more race weekends to the calendar than adding a new team.
*5 more race weekends in United States
If F1 doesn’t accept Andretti then they will be making it clear that they fear competition and that F1 is a closed garden not the pinnacle of Motorsport like they claim.
And have to fight in the courts since the regulations are clear and Andretti should automatically enter if they full-fill all requirements described in the binding agreements signed by F1 and all Teams.
the teams don't "fear competition " they want it. Andretti will NOT bring any competition for years to come if ever. if GM think they can just design & build an F1 engine to come in & beat the likes of Merc & Honda then they are bigger fools they Andretti thinking he will win in F1. do you remember how long it took Merc to have a successful car / engine ?? It take years of development Andretti should stick to what he's good at ...buying cars and racing in the US going round & round & round.
@@paullowen2707 What are you even talking about? Brawn GP was the first non-McLaren team to get a Mercedes engine, and they won in their first season. Before that, McLaren was competitive and won races with Mercedes engines. Mercedes bought Brawn GP, had a competitive car basically from the get-go, and became a constructor's winner as soon as the regs moved to turbo hybrid engines because of their advantage. Not only are you making assumptions about how a current entrant might do based on the past, but you don't even know what happened in the past.
competition ???? you clearly know nothing about F1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@n.b.5258 you have just confirmed you know nothing about F1 Brawn was built on Honda which was built on BAR which was built on Tyrrell... decades of knowledge & experience..... and I do know what happened in the past because I worked at Tyrrell and BAR & Honda ... and yes I was at Brawn too. so @n.b.5258 i think I do know what I am talking about.
So Williams and Haas bring more value riding around in back every week? To Mercedes, yes. 2 teams he can count on being uncompetitive. Do you know how Williams got in? He showed up with a fast car and out qualified other teams. When it was a real competition over who could build the fastest car. Now it is a billionaire boys club.
Williams at least tries, Haas is a miserable disaster though. Two washed up drivers, shit car, a clown team boss, upgrades which make the car worse, they shouldn’t be in the sport, they add absolutely nothing
If Andretti can actually build a car then they would be behind both Haas & Williams by quite a long way... lets wait and see eh... 🤣🤣
Wouldnt matter if it was Penske, Hyundai or Prema. F1 and its existing teams dont want an 11th team because they feel it would dilute their income. I think that is sad and even though they say teams have no influence on FOMs decisions no doubt they are lobbying hard against Stefano.
But they are biggest stakeholder and are the ones most impacted of any decisions FOM makes and they of course have influence a prime example would be recent actors union strike, conventionly they shouldn't not be involved in decisions of a production company and what methods they employe to produce there product but the strike showed that it does. Similarly if andretti doesn't live up to its hype and becomes just another haas who will compensate the teams and this is not even accounting the impact on f1 as a brand
@@CrAzY__SaM But quite a few TP's have already stated that they have no influence over the FOM's final decision which I think is a bold faced lie. That is what annoys me so much. Sure they're not involved making decisions but will surely do the lobbying to influence the outcome. In terms of Andretti compensating the teams I think they could bring a lot to F1 such as a legendary & recognisable surname, proven motorsports entity in other racing series (despite being average in Indycar over the last few seasons I know), sponsors with brand who have not been previously interested in F1, employment within Indiana and the wider midwest opening up F1 careers to those who had never considered it, with a works GM engine potentially another car which could fight near the top end and perhaps most important money from Guggenheim partners who are very much involved in Andretti package as things stand. To be fair I do think that there are good reasons to increase the anti-dilution fee even though Andretti won't receive any newcomer advantages that say recent NHL expansion franchises did.
Which is why it should never be up to the teams for fucks sake
I would love to see a big manufacturer name come back! BMW, Toyota, Honda (as an actual manufacturer). Would give even more credibility to the sport.
Look at WEC, they have huge names coming back and people are taking notice!
WEC is better and real racing F1 is politics and shady backroom deals.
To be fair - a lot of teams joining WEC are not really works teams, since while they are for instance "Porsche", they're buying the chassis and engine. Not all teams of course, but quite a few.
@@williamwade7059 my only problem with WEC and IMSA is that while Endurance racing is awesome, the F1 schedule is more convenient - if we had WEC or IMSA style races, with Prototypes and GT cars, but have around 10 to 15 2 hour races, with long races inbetween like usual , there would be much more interest, since most people don't have the time, nor commitment to watch a 6+ hour race.
Compare this to the Audi entry and you have to wonder where or what the problem with Andretti really is.
They can't bully Audi. It's like the swole doge vs cheems meme
Audi make cars, Andretti does not. Cadillac is just paying for a decal, they make zero F1 power plants.
@@ronbelanger4113they make cars but not road cars. And F1 shouldn't just have manufacturer teams. We see how it went when the market crashed in 08. Half of them left
Audi is buying a team, not entering a new team. Therefore the teams on the grid remains the same, so no team has their value decreased.
the Andretti problem is he's arrogant he thinks he can enter F1 just like that and start winning ...he has NO CHANCE . All the other team have been around for a very long time . Haas 7 years and they have not had much success even with the Ferrari package. Do you really think Andretti will build their 1st F1 car / engine & threaten the big teams?? They wont even get close to Haas let alone get any podiums.
I have been a motorsport fan of all disciplines. If it races, I watch it.
That being said, if F1 denies Andretti entry I will not watch or spend another penny on anything that is related to any f1 team if I can help it. I know I am not alone in this sentiment.
The FIA/F1/Liberty, and the teams vocally trying to block the Andretti Autosport + GM/Cadillac deal, it is really simple:
Bringing Andretti Autosport + GM/Cadillac into the mix is GROWING THE PIE, and Wolffy et al is dumb enough to believe there is a finite pie.
Basically the teams want monopolies, basically a cartel
While nobody can predict the new potential fans if Andretti gets in, you can be sure that if he doesn't, they will lose a boatload of American fans.
yeah and thats not a bad thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Andretti meets all criteria required of them, and strongly. The grid is a maximum of 24 cars. Not a 20 car 10 team club racing situation. Mario Andretti's name has been synonymous with racing here in the states. Having won the Daytona 500 in a stock car, the indy 500+championships in indycar, and a F1 championship; it used to not be uncommon for someone to be cut off by a speeder and hearing: "slow down! Who do you think you are Mario Andretti?" The Andretti name is recognized, and would definitely attract new fans stateside.
really ??? Andretti cant win outside of the states ... he failed in F1 got sacked as i remember. He buys his cars ... then goes off to some goat track & goes round & round ... thats not F1. F1 is so much more sophisticated ....thats why Americans dont understand it.
MONEY
I’d LOVE an American team with an amazing Motorsport background. Every time I see HAAS take the field I’m just embarrassed.
Also to those comparing it to entering the NHL for example, sure Seatle and Vegas paid big money to enter the league but they also benefited from the expansion draft, along with high picks in the regular draft. Id like to know what advantages Andretti GM would receive as an expansion fee or are they simply paying the other teams ro race in their club?
The problem with those expansions is that it was crafted for them to do well. All by design. All sports is entertainment, nothing about it is sport anymore.
@@marcbrisson3 Real sport would not be televised as that wouldn't be important. There isn't a big marketing push when a company builds a car intended to break the Nordschleife record is there?
@@justinburley8659I don’t think there’s any car in recent that was built to break norch.
You had the 919 evo but that was porche lmp1 car just unrestricted.
You could say you have the Idr that vw built and that was met with huge success and a massive marketing push where it broke pikes peak record.
Look up the results when American engineers challenge European engineers.. none of them want to fight for second place behind Chevrolet and Andretti.
I would maybe be sensitive to the dilution argument if it wasn't for the fact that both the FIA as well as F1 already agreed to having up to 12 teams on the grid. This was agreed knowing that this would delude which is solved by setting a fee for a new team. In other words there is no new information or reason why they would be allowed to turn back in the initial agreement. So factually they are saying, 'you know what? I actually like this cake so much lets just share the last two pieces and act stupid when one of the two new dudes show up, Fuck them hahaha'.
If Andretti comes in, either Haas or Williams will prolly go bust imo. To say that the big 3 is scared of Andretti is crazy, they don’t even have a works engine. It’s a more commercial side
Money? What else?
The existing teams are probably considering a downside to everything about an additional team. Engineers and team strategy not only during a race, but qualifying and free practice. Talent drain of personnel getting drawn to an already large racing organization. Will it be 22 drivers competing for the same pool of championship points and twelve drivers finishing outside the points?
U can play as an Andretti Team in F1 22&23(my team)
F1 questions Andretti’s value to the grid
Andretti is one of the most prestigious, if not THE MOST prestigious, American Teams in motorsports AND they bring and American power unit manufacturer.
F1 has shown they want to grow the American market by hyping up American races and adding a 3rd race this year.
How would Andretti not add value to F1 and/or bring more fans?
Make it make sense F1
The selfishness by team principles especially Wolfe and Horner is in my opinion about the engine. To me what's not spoken about is Wolfe and Horner would like a new entry that would be a customer for one of their engines or maybe Horner/Red Bull would like to sell AT to keep the new team a RB powertrain. What F1 wants (a completely new team and branding) and what Wolfe and Horner want (a customer) are what really could be the issue for those two.
I live in the USA. Has is not an American team! Gene Hass chose early on the cheap way to have a car is to purchase parts and engine for Ferrari with a Dallara chassis. So they develop no major parts in house and will always a customer team. Then they sold their soul to Russian Urakali. This is not an American Team! If you look up Hass the business here you with see reports that they still are selling sensitive weapons manufacturing machines to Russia despite the International embargo ot such machinery.
Andretti will be a true American team by 2028.
Actually, Mercedes complained a while ago about Renault not pulling their weight as a manufacturer in F1 because of not having any customer teams using their engine. When Red Bull asked Mercedes about being a Mercedes engine customer after Honda decided to leave (again), Wolff said "No - we've got 4 customer teams already - why can't Red Bull use the Renault engine?"
As for HAAS, I agree with you - they are not an American team. The ideal solution for all concerned would be for Gene Haas to sell his team to Andretti.
@@timonsolus Wolfe will be losing a customer in Aston Martin going forward with Honda. Lost customer equals lost revenue. Wolfe ideally would want a replacement for AM. Andretti will not be kissing up to Wolfe or Horner and I really respect that! BTW, I'm a RBR fan since the early Vettel years.
This matter keeps dragging and dragging.
Just make the decision so everyone can move on.
If it was another Haas or Williams they'd be fine with it. Andretti/GM could, quite possibly, come onboard and be quickly be competitive. Losing to Americans isn't what their sponsers and corporate bosses want to see.
thats not going to happen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Andretti win hahahahahah🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can't understand how you can have a "world championship" if the participants themselve decide who can compete. Its already rigged from the start.
As a fan this is a huge issue. i wish for more teams for a long time now. back years ago they sad there is a max of 13 teams on the grid. Then let them join if they want...
As someone from the US there are a few things I’ll say about the issues with F1 and Andretti.
It looks like nothing but more greed from an already incredibly greedy sport from an American perspective. F1 is seen as elitist and currently nothing more than a fad over here. As it stands I wouldn’t be shocked if the fanbase starts to decrease in the next few years in the USA. Miami and Vegas both price out any normal race fans in the USA while Austin isn’t getting cheaper. That combined with a general disdain for European fans especially online who seem to despise the USA makes for a hard sell already. Add on the fact that a now truly American team wants in and has done every single things asked of them but F1 still won’t even show a sign of consideration. This is causing a lot of us to get angry at how it is being handled on top of all that I mentioned before and the general idea that the FIA is even worse than NASCAR and IndyCar when it comes to rules and how they are implemented on a week by week basis.
As for HAAS most Americans consider them a foreign team that only uses America to try and get free merch sales on US race weekends. Williams is more supported here because unlike HAAS they actually have an American driver a chance.
I could probably go on for hours but that’s enough for now. Don’t wanna get riled up this early on Thanksgiving.
You said everything that I've wanted to say as a fellow American
Well said Morgana 👏
well said and to add to your point about williams, it is an american company that bought them a few years ago and bailed them out
Ha, yanks and their compare of lower national series to a global one.
So americans see the american team as foreign.. that's uhm.. why ??
"LET US HAVE MORE RACES IN THE US!"
"AND MORE US TEAMS"
"JUST RACES! ONLY RACES!"
god forbid !!
Andretti doesn’t care about the future health of F1 as a sport. People don’t realize what would happen to F1 if Andretti won a WDC in 2025 or 2028. Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes have a history of quitting after a few years of not winning in DTM and LeMans, both will quit F1 if they cant fight Red Bull. Alpine, Williams, Audi, and Aston Martin would all quit if Toto Wolff pulls the plug. The narrative behind Andretti in all the american media is about how Mario wants to return to F1 as revenge to destroy the teams that helped his son get into F1. They don’t care about the long term health of the sport because their goal has always been revenue and revenge.
Money
They only like American teams when those teams lose. They're terrified Andretti will win.
The regulations are clear. Pnce the FIA accepts a Team unless there are less than 12 on the actual grid, F1 accepting it as well is only a technicality and not even required.
If Andretti is not accepted that would generate a huge mud fight in the court and F1/LibertyMedia will lose.
see another one that does not understand F!🤣🤣🤣
@@paullowen2707 Why do you mean. Liberty media wants to grow the whole F1 Circus in the US if the get into a mud fight with an American Team this means huge losses for them in the American market.
Haas should just throw the towel in and name their price. Whatever they get from Andretti would outshine the meager dollars they receive from finishing last every year.
Lets face it, ITS a money grab plain and simple. Less teams more money. This era in F1 is the most lucrative in its history. Coming in 2026 with cheaper parts, less power, in order to keep the OEMs funding the teams. In the make believe attempt to go greener. Its all MONEY, all the time, and the usual song and dance routine. Vegas proved it, screwing the fans with a measly $200. Just follow the money right to Toto's and Horner's bank account..
Well IMO if Andretti isnt allowed in , you'll see American intrest dwindling right after the news if it. Then F1 in about 5-8 years will be back to where it was in the late 2000's just about out of busine$$ !!
It is also time for the FIA to stop paying Ferrari every year, Ferrari either stands on their own two feet or they go away the Ferrari welfare has to end.
Americans will say "They don't want an American team to join because they know that team would win every single race, lead every single lap because Americans are the bestest best at everything."
All my homies gonna watch FIA WEC 2024.
TLDR: They’re all greedy
Part of the growth is the US market, don’t cut off your nose to spite your face F1
Greed. I swear if they successfully block Andretti I will find something else to watch Sunday
It all looks very comfortable. The F1 owners club. No new members to rock the boat, make it so the organized competition doesn't need a a real racer. Everyone gets their piece of the pie. The only losers are the suckers..."Fans " who show up every week.
Please Andretti/Cadillac, just buy the HAAS team, they seem incapable of making any actual progress up the field, and their car is basically a low quality Ferrari
Doubt the Andretti group will bring any value. Suck it out for sure.
To all the teams complaining about Andretti taking sponsors from their car they depend on are hilarious
In the words of Horner… change your fucking car
Was it not agreed in that F1 can have a maximum of 24 cars? Andretti is as good as any prospective team is likely to ever be. Stop moaning and give the fans what they want
It's all about the $$. If they will not accept additional teams, it proves F1 is just a club racing league.
Wait, HAAS is considered American? I always thought they were Russian.
The blocking of Andretti proves that Formula 1 is NOT a REAL racing / motorsport series. If it were, anyone with the resources to construct a car built within F1 specifications / rules would be allowed to compete for a qualifying spot on the grid. If they're not one of the fastest 20 cars in qualifying, they don't get to participate in the race. Simple as that. F1 is more like the NFL ... a private club of franchise owners posing as a sports "league", and that private club is wholly controlled by those franchise owners. They get to decide who can join their private club, and any decisions on allowing new members to join them are based 100% on whether allowing the new member(s) will increase their revenue/wealth, and based 0% on the merits / qualifications of the applicant.
And just like in the NFL, even the owners of the worst-performing "teams" (franchises) have gotten insanely rich recently, simply by existing as a club member- due to an increasing number of humans wanting to watch their club's circle-jerks, er, "races" and the big corporations competing over who gets to be the one to either: A) show those "races" to those interested humans, or: B) position their company's logo anywhere those interested humans might see it.
One could argue that the only REAL competition associated with F1 is being fought between those big corporations, fighting over the eyeballs and attention spans of those interested humans, and the "racing" is just a choreographed entertainment program, disguised as a competition. These rich private club members are WAY more interested in increasing profits than they are in actually RACING in a REAL motorsport series.
If they do not allow Andrettii in after all the hoops he has had to jump through, not to mention the money he has spent do it it all, I will cancel my F1TV sub and just forget that F1 exists. It will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that F1 is just an old boys club and that they are afraid of competition. The "pinnacle" of racing should be clamoring for a new team.
Seven of the current ten F-1 teams suck. Give me a break
Toto is the only TP with an ownership stake in his team. It’s around 30%. That’s why he’s so vehemently against any potential new team, it has nothing to do with the integrity or competitive capabilities of the team attempting to enter. It’s because Toto doesn’t want his slice of the cake cut up any more than it already is. Mercedes F1 has tripled their value over the past 10 years, and the man isn’t a billionaire for nothing. I hope you’re not seriously buying into his window dressing about Andrettis “credibility”, it’s outright greed, nothing else.
Even other TPs I normally support have been shameless about their campaigning. In the same press session Vowles is begging for the capital expenditure rules to be altered so he can dump hundreds of millions of his VC funding into infrastructure for the team is acting like adding an 11th puts Williams security in the sport in irrevocable danger going forward. What a joke.
Is the way f1 set up only for 10 teams permanently and the eu thing is just a joke or what?
F1 has always had a narrow mind steeped in tradition. Add to that the greed that profitably brings and you have a formula for disaster.
They seem to be doing pretty well now !!!
After how boring and predictable the 2023 season was, it’s hilarious for F1 teams to be concerned with how competitive Andretti could be. Toto needs to STFU and go away…the sooner the better.
I say let Andretti in. At best they'll be at the tail end of every qual and race. If he wants to burn cubic money only to look like a fool- let 'em. If he gets in, I'd give it five years max before they have a fire sale price for the team.
Just get rid of Haas, problem solved no one will miss them anyway. Or just do it the American way and force Andretti to race their way in. The 10 teams with the best times remain on the grid and everyone else goes home.
Toto Wolfe is nothing but a grifter himself as he never entered a team in F1 instead he bought his way into Williams then moved to Mercedes, So Toto can just sit down and shut up.
Greed and fear.
I don't think F1 wants a competitive American team on the grid. Haas is a lovable loser in that regard. Andretti would be in the midfield basically right away.
American owners tend to be Mavericks and are not "European" classy. Not to say they would turn F1 into NASCAR but Andretti and Cadillac will be more vocal about some of the elegance that makes F1 what it is.
Then you have the money. American sports leagues are the same and if Elon Musk wanted a team in the NFL those owners would turn him away.
Toto can’t even hide how disgusted he is with the new American influence in F1. American company buys the sport, multiplies its value exponentially, and he’s not the man on top while it all happens. If Andretti were Italian or Japanese, he wouldn’t be happy about it but he wouldn’t be pushing for the entry fee to triple like he is. Just showing his true colors to all the new fans that are going to decide that he’s a sore loser and root against him and his drivers. Just nasty, coming from a freaking billionaire.
How could you possibly think that F1 fans want another team? There are already enough teams squabbling over the bottom places. The sport would be better with fewer teams. Yes, I know that F1 and sport have only a freebie relationship now. Also, WTF with petrol engines past 2026? Do they really think that the "pinnacle" of Motorsport is going to be running 20th century technology forever? 😂 Pathetic
Bro, if you don’t want petrol engines past 2026 then go watch FE. Also, they’re running on fuel that doesn’t cause any harmful emissions. And besides, 2012 they had 12 teams and in the past up to 30 cars. Nowadays it’s not a lot and more competition would be nice and more f2 drivers could get a seat.
F1 doesn't need more bottom feeding no hopers , it already has HAAS & Sauber
Andretti needs to take the fom to court and slap some santions to the f1, there are in place antitrust laws and have to be respected.
Us Americans should boycott F1 and pirate streams if they don’t let Andretti and Cadillac join.