My dad’s non turbo 1985 300zx was a fast car at the time and did 0-60 in 8.3, I think. Within 10 years the turbo Volvo wagons we’re doing it in under 8 which was amazing. The Lamborghini on my wall was a v12 with 4 valves per cylinder, the Quattro valve. It did 9-60 in 5.0, I believe. Today, you can get any old car to do that. I wish we would start focusing on making light cars with 100mpg that cost very little. I’d be happy with a 2000 pound, 100hp manual car all analog that costs 8k.
Yup, even my 2003 Honda pilot can get there under 7. It's a special gem for old Pilots though, also gets 5mpg better than EPA rating ... which still sucks by today's standards. Engines can literally run on fumes, 80 mpg with power on tap when you need it is not impossible at all ... but you know, big oil profits, government tax revenue, etc. I'd love an old analogue car, but also ... you know, government sanctioned remote shut off (actual real thing required by 2030), tax revenue generated by integrated chip giants (AMD, Nvidia, Intel), etc ...
What you're missing is that due to insurance (and the nanny state governments) safety regulations have gotten ridiculous. That all requires weight. Just look at what a modern Miata or Mini weighs
Jim Hall and Chaparral 2J did this vacuum thing in 1970.. still works! Without rules the mind can wander freely and innovate. Jim would be amazed and proud of this team and their innovation and success.
I met Jim Hall (in the '90s) .. GM considered building a street car version of his Chaparral.. at the time, Ford built a prototype GT-90 but did later poduce the street legal GT-40.. My boss (Chuck Mountain) quit Ford todevelop the original GT-40 with Carrol Shelby.. (Kar Craft was the "kunk works)
I've been building up a very fast bicycle for a few years now. I know I won't set any records but I don't care, I'm building it for myself to ride on a course I've been riding regularly, having set a baseline average time. Of course bicycles don't compare to fast cars. I'm watching everything I can about aero advantages to maybe apply to my build. This little car is rad. Closest thing would be the McMurtry Speirling. Love this. One thing I've been researching is surface characteristics and their effect on wind resistance. I've built my own disc wheel covers, modified the frame to optimize rider position, wheelbase, and power delivery.
Bald wird es so sein, dass die einen Crash Test , Sicherheitstssitz u Gurt u Aibags nachweisen musst, damit du mit deinem selbstgebauten, mit Wetterschutz verkleideten Fahrrad am Straßenverkehr teilnehmen darfst ...so lange du auch den gesetzlichen Fussgängerschutz erfüllst Natürlich macht das alles dein Fahrradmobil so schwer, dass Du einen Elekromotor brauchst
As a Swiss myself, I am so proud of the ETH Zurich. This record has laid down on September 2023. Also note, what a short distance they needed. Just insane engineering, well done guys and gals!
The best way to add downforce was banned by the CanAm series in the early 70's (the analogue was mentioned in the video). Electric actively sucking the car to the track. I'm still disappointing that no racing series embraced that method. I'm so enthused that these students saw the benefit of that and did all of the work needed to bring their vision to fruition. It's also good to see Citeron's work in hydraulic suspensions still being referenced in modern race cars. refrenced
I guess one of the troubles if used for cornering in a practical race, is that if the car is lifted from the ground that for any reason (debris, stone...), it looses all grip at once and goes tumbling.
Swiss government in 1955: Let's ban motorsports for 70 years because of this horrifying crash Swiss students: Haha wanna make this bathtub into a missile?
Maybe because they banned motorsports, the Swiss students failed to learn about America's National Hot Rod Association; making this a failed record attempt.
Top fuel dragsters use tricks that you can't use for this. They use glue on the track to increase traction and tires that get bigger as they accelerate. Not using these tricks you can't accelerate past 1G. It's also why this car needed fans.
@@JesusTheForgiver all cars doing a 0-60 in under 2.7 sec are using tricks to get there. The standard today has a 1 foot rolling start to the metric and they do it on prepaired surfaces... The Nevera uses special tires that will likely wear out very quickly and when you replace those or even wear out that top layer of rubber you will never see that performance again. To get anything better than 1 G in acceleration you need tricks like tires that glue themselves to the road or fans that suck the car down.
Formula Student - totally fantastic: you forgot PR/media, Scott - my daughter won the FS social media prize with her team and is now a driver press officer for an F1 team and is on TV every F1 race weekend.
i am from spain and did a Raclete with my friends for lunch. When they left I got this recomended. I mean... la suisse..... I have to go back there some day. Miss my relatives there.
Haha, that's awesome. And yeah, I participated in Formula SAE in 2006 and it was awesome how the team needed expertise from everywhere, even including accounting. Learning to work interdisciplinary was IMHO one of the most valuable lessons.
Very informative, science explained very well, and a small correction in that science: lower pressure doesn't 'suck', you reduce pressure and the surrounding areas of higher pressure fill the void (like releasing the pressure on a spring, it equalizes pressure instantly, creating what appears to be a 'pull' instead of a 'push'). Excellent information and so proud of those students!
I spent part of my career making instruments to measure air pressure (at extremely low pressure... what most folks would call vacuum). I always said "vacuums don't suck; surrounding (higher pressure) air pushes". BTW, we made instruments that could accurately measure pressures as low as 0.000,000,000,001 torr (i.e. less than one trillionth of a psi)!
I thought about this too when I first heard about the sub 1 second record they did. I think it's fair to say that top fuel dragsters are in a league of their own. While these students did optimize the hell out of that little car for straight line acceleration, it still could go around some corners like a car. Top fuel dragsters can really only go straight.
there's no comparison between this and a topfuel dragcar... wtf? completely different type of vehicle, budget, strip, students and literally everything else is different
@@HannyDart nah, top fuel dragsters definitely have a higher budget since they have to rebuild the engines so often and also all the methanol they go through and such.
@@Mello675 It's still worth pointing out. There was a another vid that was a bit misleading about the record they broke. Doesn't take anything away from this team, though. Electric or not, glorified go-kart or not, a sub one second 0-60 is still an incredible achievement.
FRIC First seen on the Austin Allegro in 1973 and known as hydrolastic suspension. Each displacer unit contains a rubber spring, and damping is achieved by the displaced fluid passing through rubber valves. The displaced fluid passes to the displacer of the paired wheel, thus providing a dynamic interaction between front and rear wheels. When a front wheel encounters a bump, fluid is transferred to the corresponding rear displacer, then lowers the rear wheel, hence lifting the rear, minimising pitch associated with the bump. Naturally the reverse occurs when it is a rear wheel that encounters a bump. This effect is particularly good on small cars as their shorter wheelbases are more affected by pitching.
@@bryn494 Not that I know of, do you ,mean isolastic suspension? Basically rubber bushings. Hydrolastic was something completely different. Suspension units were connected via pipework. containing a special fluid that prevented rolling and pitching under cornering braking and acceleration.
Wasn't that first on the 1100 and 1300's? For a time, they replaced the Peugeot 504 in Africa. AFAIR, that was down to the suspension, as well as the reliability and repairability of the B series.
I like that you made a program for students. I myself am an apprenticing electronics engineer and I always enjoy seeing others getting excited over science, technology and engineering. We need this kind of promoting of STEM subjects because they make cool things possible like racing or lasers.
Fantastic video! It's truly commendable how you've managed to bridge the gap between academia and the general public, making complex topics accessible and engaging. The visibility that Formula Student receives is disproportionately small considering the remarkable achievements of its participants. Although AMZ's UA-cam channel offers excellent content, videos like this one that delve into the engineering challenges, presenting problems and solutions in an understandable way, are incredibly valuable and enriching.
I love the growth of the SAE Formula. The electric competition. I did Baja at my university since I enjoyed the wheel to wheel endurance racing more than the tine attack
@@ohwell2790 DAMN you must be right! We all know how engineers are universally known for being excellent communicators, and never ever making spelling errors. WOE BETIDE UNTO THE ENGINEER WHO FAILS TO SPELL CHECK WHILST @ohwell2790 IS PERCIEVING! FORGET YOUR FINITE METHODS, STRENGTH OF MATERIALS, STATICS, MECHANICS CLASSICAL AND ADVANCED! FORGET YOUR CALCULUS YOU HAVE NO HOPE FOR SUCESS! YOUR DEGREES ARE MEANGINLESS! UNTO YOU THIS WARNING I MUST IMPRESS!
I never cared about top fuel or drag racing until a friend convinced me to go watch the nationals in Indianapolis. He kept giggling when Ashley Force lined her car up to the line and I couldn't figure out why. We were mid track and all I can say is when the shock wave hits you it feels like you have been injured somehow. I thought something injured me. Your eyeballs shake and you lose clear vision. It's the closest thing to a bomb going off I can imagine. My buddy was laughing at me because he knew. That is burned into my memory forever. They also let you walk right up to the cars when they set the clutches and they wear gas masks but there's a game to see how close you can get before you can't handle the nitro in your face.
I was a startline photographer at Shakespeare County Raceway (sadly lost to housing) for years and stood behind multi-thousand horsepower cars as they left the line. But I'd never stood next to a nitro funny car or dragster. I've just come back from the NHRA Gatornationals, not on the startline, watching from the stands. When the first nitro funny cars came out, I was prepared for the burnout. When they left at the green light, I jumped off the seat, the noise seemed to make the stands shake, let alone my insides. For the next dozen or so green lights with the nitro cars, I knew exactly what was coming, but still I could not stop an involuntary jerk at the total assault on the senses. I finally got used to it and got great photos. Any motor sport lover must go to see drag racing at least once.
I was glad to be a part of this competition in college, The closest ive ever been to F1. The team work and engineering required for this is exceptional
same, unfortunately i only worked on the cooling system for two years before i dropped out of college and went to become CNC machinist/programmer :D but my team was nowhere near AMZ :D
Same, I did SJSU Formula in college. It's still the same size on my resume as my entire college history between two schools haha We had a lot of issues but we did make it to Comp, it was an early electric car and we had to have a "F1" car and instead we got a "F-none" Car. Still one of the best experiences of my life, as traumatizing as it was. I slept in the shop for 8 days and skipped two finals for comp, academic probation was worth it.
Surely, you can add reactive power distribution and load transfer to the list @2:38. Too much power in the wrong place or at the wrong time is no good, the wrong type of suspension and damping is no good, and too stiff a chassis can be no good. These are intuitive guesses, btw.
@@milo3733 doesn't have to be. 16 to 8.8 is a perfectly viable ratio. so are 1.8 / 1 or 2 / 1.1 . they are all the same (roughly at least, after rounding). 1.8 to 1 is just normalized, it's a standard, but it isn't always applied. 1.6666666666.... to 1 for example is most commonly expressed as 5 to 3 or 5/3 because it's more accurate and also more readable.
"we need to get back to normal life"... I love that comment at the end and commend this awesome, so well calculated engineering effort and for achieving 0 to 60 mph in .9 seconds... are you kidding me! Wow!!
faster than anything else in the world? what about top fuel dragsters 0-100mph in .8 sec, I admire their accomplishment. I have experienced a 0-60mph in 3.0 seconds motocycle - so I can't imagine doing that in under 1 second. That is some serious G force.
@5:30 This is interesting, because a similar strategy using fans to create downward force was used to break ground in terms of speed in international micro robotics competions.
As an engineer, then you should know better that there is a speed limit to everything in the universe, and if your going to fast to slow down to make the turn, many people can get killed besides yourself. Make a breaking system that can slow as fast as taking off, and you might have something. Otherwise even on a straightway the speed limit is 240mph no matter what you drive. Over that, and your disqualified. Why, because vehicles of any kind can get out of control so quickly, that there is no time to react to through the parachutes when something goes array. The tendency is to push it as far as you can go without, breaking the limits, in the fastest time. It's not a land speed record, it's a time speed record. Going so fast with up and down movements, can make the front pop up, completely losing control, and wiping out the spectators in the seats. I think you know what I mean. You have probably seen the car that popped up and slid all the way on the back of the car, and when it hit the wall at that speed, it flipped so extremely that the 80+ people that died, and the rest that got hurt in less than a second. Yes, they don't want that to happen again. So engineer the machines properly, and hopefully nobody will get hurt, and the spirt will continue to provide entertainment, until it doesn't become entertaining anymore, unless people just go to see people die, and in that case they can bring back the Roman days, and watch people try to defend themselves against gladiators and lions, etc... Now if you want to make a break system that will keep the wheels on the ground, a jet system would keep the front down, and back, but usually the front catches air under the vehicle, and if the sensors sense the car popping up, the jets instantly keep the car down and gripping the tar, instead of flying. That's a different type of race, and it is one of many coolest races I have seen. Hydrofoil Sailing is another. It's the Formula 1 of the water. Brings the pontoons out of the water, as the L shaped hydrofoil blades are dropped down to lift it up, and less drag is implemented. Then when brakes are necessary they raise the blades, and create drag with the pontoons so they don't go to far past the turn around the buoy. Otherwise some team will pass them if they think speed is better before the turn, besides braking using drag., and turning, and raising the boat back up by cranking the hydrofoil blades down, as they go up in the air. 😊 What a pleasure to watch. These days speed can only be measured correctly with timers, and sensors, and not with the naked eye. Some instruments have to measure it, and that's also how cheaters that break the rules get caught, or killed before caught. Parts of the cars and fuel can still go over the fences, and kill people, and people like the thrill of watching from the corners, as it is exciting. But death is not what they are looking for, but the closeness to it. Some like to see majorly expensive crashes, but they are not right in the head. It's just a show to them. So if you put extra wheels for traction, but without drive or brakes, just to hold onto the tar, and if the gas is hit to hard the back won't slide out, and try to head to the front by physics, because the wheels will not loose grip, as they just roll, just like the tractor-trailer trucks do. Take all examples from all machines. Yes it adds a little weight, but more grip. Add safety, and you get better control, grip, and speed around corners. Even on a straightaway it would be in better control, and then maybe speed limits can be raised. No resolving the issues, then nothing will change. They want to lighten as much as possible, but that's where they go wrong to a certain degree. When flying, you want it to be as light as possible. When you want to stay on the ground, you want it to be heavier so you don't come off the ground. It's really that simple... Lighter the more dangerous. To heavy and you can't stop fast enough unless you have more tires, or can control the vehicle when it goes sideways with jet propulsion, without melting the cars next to you. Jets pushing down may be a better use of jets but if a sensor can sense if a car is next to you, the jets won't work, and catch the car next to you on fire. Or a different propellant would work, such as H²O². Or another non flammable high pressure gas. 😊
Let's see what you can come up with that will get you from here to there in less time, and record breaking time. Speed limits might still be implemented, but acceleration and grip can not.
They may have broken the record, but everyone knows the true joy in FS competitions is when you win in Hooserball. Huge props though, saw their car running in 2021and was amazed.
Seeing the John Player Special formula 1 car brought back many memories... I had a laminated poster of one on my wall during my time in England as a kid in the mid '70s. My father took me to a Formula 1 Grand Prix at Brands Hatch. Though, the race was paused due to rain, I still saw an awesome race. There was a car that left the track and launched into the outer fence directly in front of where I was standing behind the inner fence. I also got a Black JPS T-Shirt and a "Goodyear Tyres" miniature blimp.. afterwards he custom built a formula 1 style "Go-Kart" with a motorcycle engine. However, after it was done, he realized how insanely fast it was, and I really didn't get to drive it...
I also have a laminated John player special poster the size of a large platemat from Detroit Michigan. Wish it was worth more money. Must have gave a ton of them away because of the lack of value. Still kind of cool to still have.
all the good engineers do get it. Don't get frustrated about lack of a verbal expression of aknowlegement ;). The first thing you know as an engineer - the number of final iterations can get simengly endless high. The second - you have to make cut at some point, compromise. And the last - dond blab about it, until you have something to present ;) all the best in your future indevors.
They use glue on the track to increase traction and have tires that increase in diameter as the car accelerates. Without any tricks it's impossible to accelerate faster than 1G.
Srsly, Top Fuel goes 0-100mph in the same amount of time. No shade at the students or this car, what they did is nothing short of cool, but there is definitely some hyperbole at play here.
Don't they have motorways with 120 km/h speed limit? If so, no worries 😊 The car itself is perhaps illegal on public roads, but not the speed, unless they have "too fast acceleration laws"😊
Fascinating - thanks for posting. I wouldn’t have thought this kind of acceleration possible on anything short of a dragster. It’s also amazing to learn the Formula Student series has had an electric category as far back as 2009!
@@rogerwilco1777what's your point! The car was designed to do 0 to 60 in the shortest amount out time, no go around corners. F1 are designed to go around corners.
First, a technicality: in the world of drag racing, we use the terms quick/quicker/quickest when comparing elapsed time; fast/faster/fastest refers to trap speed and is only applicable in a distance-based race (e.g. 1/8 or 1/4 mile). So, this is [quicker] to 60 than anything else in the world? We're out of the realm of production cars now, so anything goes, right? I believe this record still belongs to the NHRA Top Fuel dragster, and has since at least the 1960s. People don't normally measure those in terms of 0-60, but a quick Google search indicates that they'll do it in under half a second, and 0-100 in about 0.8 -- so it's not even close. I'm assuming we just mean wheeled vehicles - bullets, for example, accelerate much, MUCH more quickly, as do many other things.
A top fuel dragster does it 2wd in .4 of a second then onto 100mph in .9 of a second and 300mph in 3.5 seconds. Convenient to omit a sport dedicated to this feat. No record breaking here.
And top fuel cannot go around corners, and a TF engine needs to be rebuilt every run. How long has top fuel been in development for ? This is a low budget student operation. Very impresssive indeed.
@@nordic5490 Wrong! Top fuel doesn't rebuild every run, they inspect the engine after every run. Also, they're using an engine built in 1964. This student program pulls in more than $5 million a year in revenue.
@@nordic5490 This electric go-kart doesn't go around corners either. The electronics, motors, chassis, and down force equipment were specifically set up to make it go only as straight as possible; and for only the amount of times it took to go for less than one second...straight. This car won't be used again, except for parts. Maybe you didn't watch the video.
@@conflagratus This is the re-use. It can corner, as you said, with the different setup: ua-cam.com/video/lvX5il7j1Xg/v-deo.htmlsi=qy7gPwzevTOU_bCF 1:53, and you are correct this is the electric car world record. zero to 100 km/h in 0.956 seconds (distance of 12.3 meters, from 01.09.2023).
for the many yanks getting triggered in the comments, the record is New Guinness World Record for "Fastest 0-100 km/h acceleration by an electric car". This is not only a world record but also the first time an electric vehicle has reached the sub-one second milestone. yes, your 10000hp dragster accelerates twice as fast as this 200hp student car, relax
I genuinely feel family vibes when car guys all around the world turn their heads when they hear Spa, Zolder, Brands Hatch, Nurbs, Laguna Seca and missing V10 F1 sound. We can spend hours and hours talking about cars and racecraft and never get tired
This idea is not new, Jim Hill in 1970 produced a vacuum assisted race car for the CanAm race series. It was commonly called the "Vacuum Cleaner". But like most of Jim Hill's innovative designs it was soon outlawed.
Sammy Miller's car Vanishing Point, fastest standing quarter mile on a drag strip, 3.58ET 386MPH 0.21s 0-60mph. But, it is rocket powered, so it doesn't compete in the same league. That record was set in 1984 with a 20,000 equivalent horsepower rocket motor. He has a faster pass 3.22ET 402MPH, but it's unofficial. The acceleration of the record pass was determined to be about 12g. If that's not getting sucked back into a seat, nothing is. If you're willing to risk your life strapping a rocket to your butt in a Pontiac, you can get where you're going pretty quick. 😂 We really have to class racing, though, because unfair competition leads to reckless attempts to push cars out of their stability envelope and people get hurt. Lots of guys and gals build the crap out of some super sweet rides that'll never run better than 11s or 12s, and that's fine. Not every car has the right setup to be a racing legend. Just avoid crappy stick on car mods and RGB lighting that makes your car look like a 2010s computer case.
I thought it was 0-100mph in .9 seconds. I was like holy crap those are top fuel drag numbers then I realized, it was to 62mph. Still wildly impressive.
I wonder as well if there is some kind of regulation on drag racing cars, that prohibit the aplication of the underpressure skirts instead ot aerodynamic aids. Looks like it is a big weight advantage to have the skirt.
I was wondering about that too. In terms of high level drag racing, sub 1 second 0-60s are far from unheard of. My guess is that the caveat here is that they're launching on an unprepared surface.
I kept waiting on something truly innovative...From a purely engineering perspective, this was an exercise in great systems engineering -- integrating existing technologies in an optimal way. Bravo to all of the students involved.
You're right, the video should have stated the record they broke was the "fastest accelerating EV" under Guiness rules, it's the rule that makes the record. You could go even further and say that acceleration is still acceleration in any direction, so any car crashing into a tree gets more G's, 100-0 is the same as 0-100 to a physicist.
Fascinating full execution of the Jim Hall idea. Call the "drag" any and everything that slows acceleration. One could do this with FWD only and the center of drag is aft of the front tire contact patches - enhancing stability on the entire run. This would eliminate the need for all wheel drive; simply apply the down force primarily to the front driving wheels.
Actually Hoosier is pronounced "Hoo-sure". Hoosier Tires is a company based out of Indiana, United States the Hoosier State. Debated what it actually means. Daytona 24hrs is tomorrow. I wonder if we will ever get a 24 hour races with vehicles like one shown in the video.
Honestly it's not much of a surprise considering the gearing, rim size and tire size. It's basically an upscaled RC car. 20yo RC cars had the ability to go from 0-160kph in less than 1 second. Scaled up 60 is lost but time is kept...
After modifying my 60 year-old HO scale electric model slot cars, they could do a calculated 600mph. You did, however, have to slow to 300mph to make the corners without flying across the room.
Except it doesn't? The 2CV has a big spring lying flat, but is purely mechanical (at least mine is) and the model D has no connection to work this way (at least my dad's doesn't) - the suspension is hydropneumatic, not hydraulic. It does some clever shenanigans to keep the car stable (for a car that old, that is) in acceleration, breaking and cornering - but not in the way depicted here.
Excellent! They made a specific vehicle to do what the McMurtry Speirling does on the racetrack! Brilliant! I wonder who will beat this acceleration test next and what technology they will use?
Good on the kids. That is one really cool achievement. Not exactly any novel ideas on their own but lots of clever engineering to combine existing concepts. Except, A top fuel dragster does 0-60 in 0.4 seconds. They crushed the 1 second barrier decades ago.
Great job well done. Just so normal people understand how insane this, on a 600 cc racer (street motorcycle) with 120hp driving at 90 kph and adjusting your grip on the throttle can push you from 90kph to 170kph in under a second and that happens faster than you realizing what just happened. And motorcycles and snowmobiles are the fastest accelerating vehicles normal people can buy. This is insanity.
@icecreamtruckog3667 No motorcycle of any kind can accelerate from 90 to 170kph in under a second - limited by one wheel drive and wheelie factor. Can you supply the identity of the motorcycle that can do this?
Yeah, this is a bunch of nonsense and that’s a little tiny 2 pound go kart. He’s comparing it to hypercars. I’m not saying it’s not cool, but what a joke. Basically it’s a glorified electric RC car. So we can fairly compare it to big and heavy top fuel dragsters.
Faster than anything else in the world, really? Like faster than a catapult launcher on an aircraft carrier or a bottle rocket 😂🤷 I really don’t know but I just have a feeling there’s probably a few things in this world that can accelerate to 60 faster. I’m not hating on the guy and I’m sure if I was standing in front of him and asked that he probably elaborate on what he meant fairly reasonably
My high-school did something like this. We didn't have a ton of funding obviously, but we managed to make a kart that could go 73mph. It's acceleration wasn't great because it was gas, but we were just trying to make a custom kart go fast
Ferdinand Porsche was the first to mount an electric motor on each wheel. That was a lonnng time ago, near the turn of century, from memory. The other century.
sadly hub motors have turned out to be generally kinda rubbish, despite being an idea that's come and gone a few times. Might actually be particularly suited to this one very particular application, however? (Like if you're trying to get a lot of accelerative grip maybe you *want* a bunch of unsprung weight?)
@@tahrey still though. The immediate thought is the ease of being able to control each wheel... apart from it being four wheel. This being another first. Not that it was a car, more of a coach really, a project for a count, I think. Porsche was mucking around with batteries since he was a teen. This also led to the first hybrid, by Ferdinand. So yes, things do come and go.
@@arconeagain Well, I can't speak for whatever Porsche was thinking when he set his car up that way. Maybe distributing the weight and also reducing it somewhat by using pancake motors in place of the wheel rims (and brake hubs?) seemed like a good idea, at least in theory. Clearly it didn't catch on and even he didn't feel like persuing it that much further, other than as a testbed for that hybrid. (Who knows whether that idea might have been far more successful if using a regular inboard motor?) As for being able to control each wheel... that's certainly a thing, but you could get that about as easily with inboard, sprung-weight motors that may be of a better shape (as well as easier to wire etc) even if direct drive, and maybe even more responsive with a reduction gear. Just do away with the differential and mount one motor per halfshaft. Or use two or even just one motor, plus two or three active diffs or some other kind of per-wheel power modulation (e.g. the brake-pulsing ESP/TC my car uses to very good effect). One thing with hub drive is that you need to generate a hell of a lot of torque for any kind of launching force, which conventional electric drive achieves with a lower torque motor and gearing. I suppose you also do away with the weight of the halfshafts themselves and the possibility of bending them with the torque coming out of the reduction drive, however?
F1 went off the rails in the early 2000's when they introduced grooved tires. The primary focus of innovation was aerodynamics over mechanical grip. This continued more or less into the next decade when F1 went further off the rails, allowing the cars to grow bigger and bigger.
Exactly my man there are quicker cars to 60. Tfd as you say and most drag cars. Ryan Martins fireball camaro does it 0.7 on the street and 0.5 on the strip. Both are quicker than there car
I think that's mostly down to the surface. Drag strips are pretty much coated in rubber at the launch area. I'd be interested to see how quick a TF Dragster would be on normal tarmac.
The problem is that tire grip increases with increasing weight the drive tires Cortana but that's negated by having to accelerate that weight... Also, grip must be maintained initially, because losing grip, initially. allows the wheels to spin subsequently providing much less grip... That's why I came up with the following launch solution. The vehicle has a 10 foot long tubular member projecting out the rear. A properly sized cylindrical weight rides on linear bearings on that tube. Its initial position is at the rear of the car. This weight creates a beneficial downforce on the drive tires. In this case, when the vehicle accelerates, the weight stay stationary, in space, as the supporting tube is pulled through it. This gives all the benefits of additional weight on the drive tires without the equal loss of accelerating the added weight.
Top fuel cars are just so far removed from anything else that it's not really a far comparison. Also, I'm fairly sure the record that was broken is a Formula Student specific record, and all the comparisons he did were just comparisons and not meant to lump all the different cars under one record.
The record in question is fastest acceleration from 0-100kph of an electric car. This does include all production EVs and prototype EV cars as well, however it has always officially been held by one of a couple of Formula Student teams, as no one from outside that community made any official attempts to beat it. For instance, the previous record of 1.461 seconds was unofficially beaten many times by the McMurtry Speirling. They never tried to get it certified though. With this time though, I don’t think there is any EV capable of accelerating faster at this point in time, officially or not.
Yes, a top fuel dragster can beat that acceleration. But the record they break is the fastest acceleration with an electric car. It's an electric car that can be driven by anyone without any special skills, hence the sophisticated traction control. It's pushing the tech and the engineering that went into the project and the record is still impressive.
bro nobody does critical thinking anymore or even a quick google search i'm just shaking my head at how predictable the prone to being triggered types get
@@SafffOneee That's not it. You didn't do critical thinking either. The video maker specified a different class - saying that it's the fastest car of any type on the planet. I would not have even bothered commenting had I not seen that & ALSO looked to see if they qualified that same statement somewhere else but there was no corroboration that they didn't mean what they said "any car". I tested some kids around age 6 to 8 and asked them "what has four wheels an engine & can be driven. It also has brakes, you can steer it, & it can go backwards & forwards. Before I was finished asking the question they were all saying "car". So don't try to gaslight with arguments. it's pure BS & you know it.
@@aretheylying2915 using critical thinking, i did a quick google search and saw the record was for electric. that's what i stated, not sure the reason for your embellished post about me making arguments
As a UPS driver , I picked up trailers full of those sticky tires at their facility in Northern Indiana. And I'm here to say that those tires are sticky AF!!! I would grab a tire and it was amazing that my fingers would leave an imprint....
Rocket sled goes brrrrr. Seriously, I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The "ideal" no-rule dragster would probably look something like the sprint missile with some wheels. That thing accelerated at 100 g while going straight up, reaching Mach 10 in 5 seconds. It accelerates so fast that it breaches the sound barrier in its launch tube, and would make everything else including top fuel dragsters look like snails. Of course, the acceleration alone would also kill any potential passengers.
This is getting past the ability of observers to see what is happening. At a recent NHRA Top Fuel event I attended, the races were often over in only 3-point-something seconds. It often seemed the race was over before I could observe what was going on!
The down fan reminds me of the miniature rc cars that do those maze competitions in Japan. They are able to make insane turns at high speed without losing traction
@@jogrob3762Google, the Times are Alonso in the Renault, Vettel in the Redbull when he was winning. Look it up, some homework for you. Look at the power to weight ratio of an F1 car? Compare this to road cars that do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. Surely your brain tells you?
In-Hub and one motor per wheel electric setups have been around for a long long time now. Techwise. The US military has been using them in future armored vehicle design for even longer. This is allllll pre-established tech, being used in the ways for which it was designed, plus a little more. Kudos to the team, but this was all pre-existing tech
My dad’s non turbo 1985 300zx was a fast car at the time and did 0-60 in 8.3, I think. Within 10 years the turbo Volvo wagons we’re doing it in under 8 which was amazing. The Lamborghini on my wall was a v12 with 4 valves per cylinder, the Quattro valve. It did 9-60 in 5.0, I believe. Today, you can get any old car to do that. I wish we would start focusing on making light cars with 100mpg that cost very little. I’d be happy with a 2000 pound, 100hp manual car all analog that costs 8k.
Have you ever considered a Kei car? Might need some mods to get it to 100 hp but it could be a fun little project.
Yup, even my 2003 Honda pilot can get there under 7. It's a special gem for old Pilots though, also gets 5mpg better than EPA rating ... which still sucks by today's standards. Engines can literally run on fumes, 80 mpg with power on tap when you need it is not impossible at all ... but you know, big oil profits, government tax revenue, etc.
I'd love an old analogue car, but also ... you know, government sanctioned remote shut off (actual real thing required by 2030), tax revenue generated by integrated chip giants (AMD, Nvidia, Intel), etc ...
What you're missing is that due to insurance (and the nanny state governments) safety regulations have gotten ridiculous. That all requires weight. Just look at what a modern Miata or Mini weighs
My friend in high school had an old Volvo diesel. It took about a minute to hit 60 miles per hour was scary getting on freeways lol
If you want efficient then you wouldn't want a manual lol
Jim Hall and Chaparral 2J did this vacuum thing in 1970.. still works! Without rules the mind can wander freely and innovate. Jim would be amazed and proud of this team and their innovation and success.
I met Jim Hall (in the '90s) .. GM considered building a street car version of his Chaparral.. at the time, Ford built a prototype GT-90 but did later poduce the street legal GT-40.. My boss (Chuck Mountain) quit Ford todevelop the original GT-40 with Carrol Shelby.. (Kar Craft was the "kunk works)
I believe one of the driving reasons it was banned was because of the speed at which any pebbles on the track were ejected from the fan(s)...
Tom Scott did this too. Looks mental! Would love to have a go
He stopped making weekly videos as it's not that easy when still on the, or over, the Moon. He loved it.
The lateral forces are about 3.5 G. Insane.
I came to comment that 😄
R.I.P. Tom Scott's channel🙏🏼
Tom Scott 😭
I've been building up a very fast bicycle for a few years now. I know I won't set any records but I don't care, I'm building it for myself to ride on a course I've been riding regularly, having set a baseline average time. Of course bicycles don't compare to fast cars.
I'm watching everything I can about aero advantages to maybe apply to my build. This little car is rad. Closest thing would be the McMurtry Speirling. Love this.
One thing I've been researching is surface characteristics and their effect on wind resistance. I've built my own disc wheel covers, modified the frame to optimize rider position, wheelbase, and power delivery.
Bald wird es so sein, dass die einen Crash Test , Sicherheitstssitz u Gurt u Aibags nachweisen musst, damit du mit deinem selbstgebauten, mit Wetterschutz verkleideten Fahrrad am Straßenverkehr teilnehmen darfst ...so lange du auch den gesetzlichen Fussgängerschutz erfüllst
Natürlich macht das alles dein Fahrradmobil so schwer, dass Du einen Elekromotor brauchst
As a Swiss myself, I am so proud of the ETH Zurich. This record has laid down on September 2023. Also note, what a short distance they needed. Just insane engineering, well done guys and gals!
im swiss too and even from Zurich
Isnt it logical that you need a shorter distance if you accelerate faster to 100 KM/h?
The Company where i will start working at built the suspension for this absolute machine.
@@Gespannter Grüezi, demfall :)
@@thi8826 hoi zäme
The best way to add downforce was banned by the CanAm series in the early 70's (the analogue was mentioned in the video). Electric actively sucking the car to the track. I'm still disappointing that no racing series embraced that method. I'm so enthused that these students saw the benefit of that and did all of the work needed to bring their vision to fruition.
It's also good to see Citeron's work in hydraulic suspensions still being referenced in modern race cars.
refrenced
I guess one of the troubles if used for cornering in a practical race, is that if the car is lifted from the ground that for any reason (debris, stone...), it looses all grip at once and goes tumbling.
you should check out the mcmurtry car. it has a vaccuum fan that sucks it to the road
Swiss government in 1955: Let's ban motorsports for 70 years because of this horrifying crash
Swiss students: Haha wanna make this bathtub into a missile?
hehe, bathtub goes "bzzzzzzzzz"
Bwaaahahahaaa
As a Swiss i can confirm that everyone has a motorized bathtub and it's the only acceptable mode of transport here
@@liamgumprecht4983 🤣
Maybe because they banned motorsports, the Swiss students failed to learn about America's National Hot Rod Association; making this a failed record attempt.
A top fuel dragster accelerates to 100 mph in eight tenths of a second. Zero to 60 in about four tenths of a second.
Top fuel dragsters use tricks that you can't use for this. They use glue on the track to increase traction and tires that get bigger as they accelerate.
Not using these tricks you can't accelerate past 1G.
It's also why this car needed fans.
@@answeris4217 the Rimac Nevera averages 1.57g for a 1.74 second 0-60...
@@JesusTheForgiver all cars doing a 0-60 in under 2.7 sec are using tricks to get there. The standard today has a 1 foot rolling start to the metric and they do it on prepaired surfaces...
The Nevera uses special tires that will likely wear out very quickly and when you replace those or even wear out that top layer of rubber you will never see that performance again.
To get anything better than 1 G in acceleration you need tricks like tires that glue themselves to the road or fans that suck the car down.
And a top fuel dragster has many restrictions that keep it from being faster and quicker.
@@answeris4217what are you calling tricks? Anything that upsets your sense of sensibility?
Formula Student - totally fantastic: you forgot PR/media, Scott - my daughter won the FS social media prize with her team and is now a driver press officer for an F1 team and is on TV every F1 race weekend.
What team may I ask?
i am from spain and did a Raclete with my friends for lunch. When they left I got this recomended. I mean... la suisse..... I have to go back there some day. Miss my relatives there.
Haha, that's awesome. And yeah, I participated in Formula SAE in 2006 and it was awesome how the team needed expertise from everywhere, even including accounting. Learning to work interdisciplinary was IMHO one of the most valuable lessons.
If no one knows your project exists, you won’t go very far.
Very informative, science explained very well, and a small correction in that science: lower pressure doesn't 'suck', you reduce pressure and the surrounding areas of higher pressure fill the void (like releasing the pressure on a spring, it equalizes pressure instantly, creating what appears to be a 'pull' instead of a 'push'). Excellent information and so proud of those students!
I spent part of my career making instruments to measure air pressure (at extremely low pressure... what most folks would call vacuum). I always said "vacuums don't suck; surrounding (higher pressure) air pushes".
BTW, we made instruments that could accurately measure pressures as low as 0.000,000,000,001 torr (i.e. less than one trillionth of a psi)!
Top fuel dragcars do 0-60 mph in about half off this time! But this is still ridiculously impressive when you look how small it is!
I thought about this too when I first heard about the sub 1 second record they did. I think it's fair to say that top fuel dragsters are in a league of their own. While these students did optimize the hell out of that little car for straight line acceleration, it still could go around some corners like a car. Top fuel dragsters can really only go straight.
there's no comparison between this and a topfuel dragcar... wtf? completely different type of vehicle, budget, strip, students and literally everything else is different
@@Mello675 agree with all points but the budget part 💀
@@HannyDart nah, top fuel dragsters definitely have a higher budget since they have to rebuild the engines so often and also all the methanol they go through and such.
@@Mello675 It's still worth pointing out. There was a another vid that was a bit misleading about the record they broke. Doesn't take anything away from this team, though. Electric or not, glorified go-kart or not, a sub one second 0-60 is still an incredible achievement.
FRIC
First seen on the Austin Allegro in 1973 and known as hydrolastic suspension. Each displacer unit contains a rubber spring, and damping is achieved by the displaced fluid passing through rubber valves. The displaced fluid passes to the displacer of the paired wheel, thus providing a dynamic interaction between front and rear wheels. When a front wheel encounters a bump, fluid is transferred to the corresponding rear displacer, then lowers the rear wheel, hence lifting the rear, minimising pitch associated with the bump. Naturally the reverse occurs when it is a rear wheel that encounters a bump. This effect is particularly good on small cars as their shorter wheelbases are more affected by pitching.
Norton Commandoes?...
@@bryn494 Not that I know of, do you ,mean isolastic suspension?
Basically rubber bushings.
Hydrolastic was something completely different.
Suspension units were connected via pipework. containing a special fluid that prevented rolling and pitching under cornering braking and acceleration.
Citroen 2cv has similar (but not same) tech
Wasn't that first on the 1100 and 1300's? For a time, they replaced the Peugeot 504 in Africa. AFAIR, that was down to the suspension, as well as the reliability and repairability of the B series.
I like that you made a program for students. I myself am an apprenticing electronics engineer and I always enjoy seeing others getting excited over science, technology and engineering. We need this kind of promoting of STEM subjects because they make cool things possible like racing or lasers.
Fantastic video! It's truly commendable how you've managed to bridge the gap between academia and the general public, making complex topics accessible and engaging. The visibility that Formula Student receives is disproportionately small considering the remarkable achievements of its participants. Although AMZ's UA-cam channel offers excellent content, videos like this one that delve into the engineering challenges, presenting problems and solutions in an understandable way, are incredibly valuable and enriching.
I love the growth of the SAE Formula. The electric competition. I did Baja at my university since I enjoyed the wheel to wheel endurance racing more than the tine attack
Or Formula Student as everyone else calls it lol
Went to a University and and thinks time is spelled tine, got a great education.
@@ohwell2790 DAMN you must be right! We all know how engineers are universally known for being excellent communicators, and never ever making spelling errors.
WOE BETIDE UNTO THE ENGINEER WHO FAILS TO SPELL CHECK WHILST @ohwell2790 IS PERCIEVING!
FORGET YOUR FINITE METHODS, STRENGTH OF MATERIALS, STATICS, MECHANICS CLASSICAL AND ADVANCED!
FORGET YOUR CALCULUS
YOU HAVE NO HOPE FOR SUCESS!
YOUR DEGREES ARE MEANGINLESS!
UNTO YOU THIS WARNING I MUST IMPRESS!
I never cared about top fuel or drag racing until a friend convinced me to go watch the nationals in Indianapolis. He kept giggling when Ashley Force lined her car up to the line and I couldn't figure out why. We were mid track and all I can say is when the shock wave hits you it feels like you have been injured somehow. I thought something injured me. Your eyeballs shake and you lose clear vision. It's the closest thing to a bomb going off I can imagine. My buddy was laughing at me because he knew. That is burned into my memory forever. They also let you walk right up to the cars when they set the clutches and they wear gas masks but there's a game to see how close you can get before you can't handle the nitro in your face.
I was a startline photographer at Shakespeare County Raceway (sadly lost to housing) for years and stood behind multi-thousand horsepower cars as they left the line. But I'd never stood next to a nitro funny car or dragster. I've just come back from the NHRA Gatornationals, not on the startline, watching from the stands. When the first nitro funny cars came out, I was prepared for the burnout. When they left at the green light, I jumped off the seat, the noise seemed to make the stands shake, let alone my insides. For the next dozen or so green lights with the nitro cars, I knew exactly what was coming, but still I could not stop an involuntary jerk at the total assault on the senses. I finally got used to it and got great photos. Any motor sport lover must go to see drag racing at least once.
I was glad to be a part of this competition in college, The closest ive ever been to F1. The team work and engineering required for this is exceptional
did yall ignore nhra they have been doing this for decades????
same, unfortunately i only worked on the cooling system for two years before i dropped out of college and went to become CNC machinist/programmer :D but my team was nowhere near AMZ :D
Same, I did SJSU Formula in college. It's still the same size on my resume as my entire college history between two schools haha
We had a lot of issues but we did make it to Comp, it was an early electric car and we had to have a "F1" car and instead we got a "F-none" Car. Still one of the best experiences of my life, as traumatizing as it was. I slept in the shop for 8 days and skipped two finals for comp, academic probation was worth it.
Surely, you can add reactive power distribution and load transfer to the list @2:38. Too much power in the wrong place or at the wrong time is no good, the wrong type of suspension and damping is no good, and too stiff a chassis can be no good. These are intuitive guesses, btw.
This is wild. Power to weight must be off the charts.
320HP in 180 kg, driver included
Nearly 2 to 1 , crude calculation
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 to 1.1?
@@redamber483 the second number in the ratio is always 1. So it would be 1.8 to 1 assuming @froz3ntree40's numbers are correct
@@milo3733 doesn't have to be. 16 to 8.8 is a perfectly viable ratio. so are 1.8 / 1 or 2 / 1.1 . they are all the same (roughly at least, after rounding). 1.8 to 1 is just normalized, it's a standard, but it isn't always applied. 1.6666666666.... to 1 for example is most commonly expressed as 5 to 3 or 5/3 because it's more accurate and also more readable.
Truly incredible out-of-the-box thinking! AMZ has built a runway to F1! 👏
great vids. waiting for the upside down video
It released 2 minutes ago-
Pp
@@Zaibstar10 4
@Zaibstar10 No, it didn't... liar.
Don't worry this guy is taking us for a ride😂😂
"we need to get back to normal life"... I love that comment at the end and commend this awesome, so well calculated engineering effort and for achieving 0 to 60 mph in .9 seconds... are you kidding me! Wow!!
16:26 a wild James Pumphrey appears.
MO POWAH BABEHHH!!!
Pop-pop-pop-pop-POPUPUPANDDOWNHEADLIIIIIIGHTS
😂😂😂
fav part of the video lol
faster than anything else in the world? what about top fuel dragsters 0-100mph in .8 sec,
I admire their accomplishment. I have experienced a 0-60mph in 3.0 seconds motocycle - so I can't imagine doing that in under 1 second. That is some serious G force.
about 3.6-4g take it or leave it. / *electric* i believe
Thank you so much for covering this, I always love when bigger channels showcase what insanely cool stuff Formula Student does.
@5:30 This is interesting, because a similar strategy using fans to create downward force was used to break ground in terms of speed in international micro robotics competions.
The FIA always banning every good development has occurred in F1, oh man, as an engineer it makes me nuts.
As an engineer, then you should know better that there is a speed limit to everything in the universe, and if your going to fast to slow down to make the turn, many people can get killed besides yourself. Make a breaking system that can slow as fast as taking off, and you might have something. Otherwise even on a straightway the speed limit is 240mph no matter what you drive. Over that, and your disqualified.
Why, because vehicles of any kind can get out of control so quickly, that there is no time to react to through the parachutes when something goes array. The tendency is to push it as far as you can go without, breaking the limits, in the fastest time. It's not a land speed record, it's a time speed record.
Going so fast with up and down movements, can make the front pop up, completely losing control, and wiping out the spectators in the seats.
I think you know what I mean. You have probably seen the car that popped up and slid all the way on the back of the car, and when it hit the wall at that speed, it flipped so extremely that the 80+ people that died, and the rest that got hurt in less than a second.
Yes, they don't want that to happen again. So engineer the machines properly, and hopefully nobody will get hurt, and the spirt will continue to provide entertainment, until it doesn't become entertaining anymore, unless people just go to see people die, and in that case they can bring back the Roman days, and watch people try to defend themselves against gladiators and lions, etc...
Now if you want to make a break system that will keep the wheels on the ground, a jet system would keep the front down, and back, but usually the front catches air under the vehicle, and if the sensors sense the car popping up, the jets instantly keep the car down and gripping the tar, instead of flying. That's a different type of race, and it is one of many coolest races I have seen. Hydrofoil Sailing is another. It's the Formula 1 of the water.
Brings the pontoons out of the water, as the L shaped hydrofoil blades are dropped down to lift it up, and less drag is implemented.
Then when brakes are necessary they raise the blades, and create drag with the pontoons so they don't go to far past the turn around the buoy. Otherwise some team will pass them if they think speed is better before the turn, besides braking using drag., and turning, and raising the boat back up by cranking the hydrofoil blades down, as they go up in the air. 😊
What a pleasure to watch.
These days speed can only be measured correctly with timers, and sensors, and not with the naked eye. Some instruments have to measure it, and that's also how cheaters that break the rules get caught, or killed before caught. Parts of the cars and fuel can still go over the fences, and kill people, and people like the thrill of watching from the corners, as it is exciting. But death is not what they are looking for, but the closeness to it.
Some like to see majorly expensive crashes, but they are not right in the head. It's just a show to them.
So if you put extra wheels for traction, but without drive or brakes, just to hold onto the tar, and if the gas is hit to hard the back won't slide out, and try to head to the front by physics, because the wheels will not loose grip, as they just roll, just like the tractor-trailer trucks do.
Take all examples from all machines. Yes it adds a little weight, but more grip. Add safety, and you get better control, grip, and speed around corners. Even on a straightaway it would be in better control, and then maybe speed limits can be raised.
No resolving the issues, then nothing will change. They want to lighten as much as possible, but that's where they go wrong to a certain degree. When flying, you want it to be as light as possible. When you want to stay on the ground, you want it to be heavier so you don't come off the ground.
It's really that simple... Lighter the more dangerous. To heavy and you can't stop fast enough unless you have more tires, or can control the vehicle when it goes sideways with jet propulsion, without melting the cars next to you.
Jets pushing down may be a better use of jets but if a sensor can sense if a car is next to you, the jets won't work, and catch the car next to you on fire. Or a different propellant would work, such as H²O². Or another non flammable high pressure gas.
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Let's see what you can come up with that will get you from here to there in less time, and record breaking time. Speed limits might still be implemented, but acceleration and grip can not.
I have to say i love the fact the majority of your sponsers are educational. Love your video's!
They may have broken the record, but everyone knows the true joy in FS competitions is when you win in Hooserball.
Huge props though, saw their car running in 2021and was amazed.
Seeing the John Player Special formula 1 car brought back many memories... I had a laminated poster of one on my wall during my time in England as a kid in the mid '70s. My father took me to a Formula 1 Grand Prix at Brands Hatch. Though, the race was paused due to rain, I still saw an awesome race. There was a car that left the track and launched into the outer fence directly in front of where I was standing behind the inner fence. I also got a Black JPS T-Shirt and a "Goodyear Tyres" miniature blimp.. afterwards he custom built a formula 1 style "Go-Kart" with a motorcycle engine. However, after it was done, he realized how insanely fast it was, and I really didn't get to drive it...
I also have a laminated John player special poster the size of a large platemat from Detroit Michigan. Wish it was worth more money. Must have gave a ton of them away because of the lack of value. Still kind of cool to still have.
The one I had was a large wall poster, it was a birthday gift from a schoolmate@steveletson6616
I am a part od WUT FS team and a lot of people dont really understand how much work we put in to make the car better and better
all the good engineers do get it. Don't get frustrated about lack of a verbal expression of aknowlegement ;). The first thing you know as an engineer - the number of final iterations can get simengly endless high. The second - you have to make cut at some point, compromise. And the last - dond blab about it, until you have something to present ;) all the best in your future indevors.
did yall ignore nhra they have been doing this for decades????
"faster than anything else in the world"
Top fuel dragster: "Lemme show y'all a little somethin'...."
Dragster is slower from 0-60 mph, which was the only purpouse of this specific design.
@@Lianpe98 Nope, top fuel dragster can do it in 0.4 seconds. In 0.8 seconds they are going 100mph.
@@Jester123ish I stand corrected
@@Lianpe98i appreciate your willingness to adjust your position once new facts came to light.
But why did you argue first, then look up facts?
They use glue on the track to increase traction and have tires that increase in diameter as the car accelerates.
Without any tricks it's impossible to accelerate faster than 1G.
Pumphrey making a cameo. I love it.
0:38 “faster than anything else in the world” top fuel dragster: am I a joke to you?!
You left out drag cars, nothing to it. 😂
Srsly, Top Fuel goes 0-100mph in the same amount of time. No shade at the students or this car, what they did is nothing short of cool, but there is definitely some hyperbole at play here.
Have you heard of a Top Fuel Dragster? 0-60 MPH in .4 sec. and 300 MHP in 4 seconds. How did this beat the world record? Is it class?
Hey Teacher, Leave those kids alone!
Who needs honesty in 2024? You are supposed to be as deeply impressed with this video as those who made are with themselves.
Swiss? Fast car? Whoa whoa whoa. That's illegal
😂😂😂, as long as it's not on public roads they are safe, for now 😉
Don't they have motorways with 120 km/h speed limit? If so, no worries 😊
The car itself is perhaps illegal on public roads, but not the speed, unless they have "too fast acceleration laws"😊
Switzerland is starting to sound like every other country
Fascinating - thanks for posting. I wouldn’t have thought this kind of acceleration possible on anything short of a dragster. It’s also amazing to learn the Formula Student series has had an electric category as far back as 2009!
Pretty impressive!!
I think a top fuel dragster is around 0.4 sec.
@@rogerwilco1777 This one can't either. It was specifically modified to go as straight as possible and for one time only.
@@rogerwilco1777what's your point! The car was designed to do 0 to 60 in the shortest amount out time, no go around corners. F1 are designed to go around corners.
First, a technicality: in the world of drag racing, we use the terms quick/quicker/quickest when comparing elapsed time; fast/faster/fastest refers to trap speed and is only applicable in a distance-based race (e.g. 1/8 or 1/4 mile).
So, this is [quicker] to 60 than anything else in the world? We're out of the realm of production cars now, so anything goes, right? I believe this record still belongs to the NHRA Top Fuel dragster, and has since at least the 1960s. People don't normally measure those in terms of 0-60, but a quick Google search indicates that they'll do it in under half a second, and 0-100 in about 0.8 -- so it's not even close.
I'm assuming we just mean wheeled vehicles - bullets, for example, accelerate much, MUCH more quickly, as do many other things.
A top fuel dragster does it 2wd in .4 of a second then onto 100mph in .9 of a second and 300mph in 3.5 seconds. Convenient to omit a sport dedicated to this feat. No record breaking here.
And top fuel cannot go around corners, and a TF engine needs to be rebuilt every run.
How long has top fuel been in development for ?
This is a low budget student operation. Very impresssive indeed.
@@nordic5490 Wrong! Top fuel doesn't rebuild every run, they inspect the engine after every run. Also, they're using an engine built in 1964. This student program pulls in more than $5 million a year in revenue.
@@nordic5490 This electric go-kart doesn't go around corners either. The electronics, motors, chassis, and down force equipment were specifically set up to make it go only as straight as possible; and for only the amount of times it took to go for less than one second...straight. This car won't be used again, except for parts. Maybe you didn't watch the video.
@@nordic5490not to clever are you.
@@conflagratus This is the re-use. It can corner, as you said, with the different setup:
ua-cam.com/video/lvX5il7j1Xg/v-deo.htmlsi=qy7gPwzevTOU_bCF 1:53,
and you are correct this is the electric car world record. zero to 100 km/h in 0.956 seconds (distance of 12.3 meters, from 01.09.2023).
That formula student thing sounds so freaking cool🤯😭…Gosh I wish I was a kid with stuff like that around.
for the many yanks getting triggered in the comments, the record is New Guinness World Record for "Fastest 0-100 km/h acceleration by an electric car". This is not only a world record but also the first time an electric vehicle has reached the sub-one second milestone. yes, your 10000hp dragster accelerates twice as fast as this 200hp student car, relax
"Who ya callin' a Yank, Crank."
Yank?
I genuinely feel family vibes when car guys all around the world turn their heads when they hear Spa, Zolder, Brands Hatch, Nurbs, Laguna Seca and missing V10 F1 sound. We can spend hours and hours talking about cars and racecraft and never get tired
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
This idea is not new, Jim Hill in 1970 produced a vacuum assisted race car for the CanAm race series. It was commonly called the "Vacuum Cleaner". But like most of Jim Hill's innovative designs it was soon outlawed.
A Top Fuel drag car can do 0-100 mph in .8 seconds, how is 0 - 100 kph (62 mph) in .9 seconds a world record?
Given the horsepower at hand, this is really impressive. Try doing that with a 220 hp ICE!!
Not to minimize their achievement because it is incredible, but Top Fuel dragsters are quicker. 0-62 in .4 seconds.
Yep and with no fans.
that must feel insaneee
Sammy Miller's car Vanishing Point, fastest standing quarter mile on a drag strip, 3.58ET 386MPH 0.21s 0-60mph. But, it is rocket powered, so it doesn't compete in the same league. That record was set in 1984 with a 20,000 equivalent horsepower rocket motor. He has a faster pass 3.22ET 402MPH, but it's unofficial. The acceleration of the record pass was determined to be about 12g. If that's not getting sucked back into a seat, nothing is. If you're willing to risk your life strapping a rocket to your butt in a Pontiac, you can get where you're going pretty quick. 😂 We really have to class racing, though, because unfair competition leads to reckless attempts to push cars out of their stability envelope and people get hurt. Lots of guys and gals build the crap out of some super sweet rides that'll never run better than 11s or 12s, and that's fine. Not every car has the right setup to be a racing legend. Just avoid crappy stick on car mods and RGB lighting that makes your car look like a 2010s computer case.
I’m glad that your videos are pointing how much science is involved in racing
I thought it was 0-100mph in .9 seconds. I was like holy crap those are top fuel drag numbers then I realized, it was to 62mph. Still wildly impressive.
Yeah, as soon as he said "no rules" I wondered why they just didn't go grab a top fuel car and do a few hits lol.
I wonder as well if there is some kind of regulation on drag racing cars, that prohibit the aplication of the underpressure skirts instead ot aerodynamic aids. Looks like it is a big weight advantage to have the skirt.
I was wondering about that too. In terms of high level drag racing, sub 1 second 0-60s are far from unheard of. My guess is that the caveat here is that they're launching on an unprepared surface.
@@bongwaterbojack unprepped surface on drag slicks. I'd be interested to see what it would do on regular radials.
Top Fuel does it in about 0.4 seconds.
I kept waiting on something truly innovative...From a purely engineering perspective, this was an exercise in great systems engineering -- integrating existing technologies in an optimal way. Bravo to all of the students involved.
"made a car accelerate faster than anything else in the world" What a ridiculous statement. Top Fuel walks this
those cant go around a track
@@rogerwilco1777 where was that mentioned? This hasn’t been shown to do that either and the video was about straight line acceleration.
A dragster can drive around a track, awkwardly. This cart's electronics purposely won't let it make a turn. @@rogerwilco1777
I just came to the comments to say the same thing about Top Fuel.
But still, amazing achievement here.
You're right, the video should have stated the record they broke was the "fastest accelerating EV" under Guiness rules, it's the rule that makes the record.
You could go even further and say that acceleration is still acceleration in any direction, so any car crashing into a tree gets more G's, 100-0 is the same as 0-100 to a physicist.
0:39 "Smashed the record"
Of a production car... with a race car.
Are you daft? Top fuel goes to 0-62mph/100kph in .2 seconds.
@0:11 Yeah, kids are easily impressed.
Fascinating full execution of the Jim Hall idea. Call the "drag" any and everything that slows acceleration. One could do this with FWD only and the center of drag is aft of the front tire contact patches - enhancing stability on the entire run. This would eliminate the need for all wheel drive; simply apply the down force primarily to the front driving wheels.
I love that you took 17 minutes to say "It uses traction control & a vacuum". =)) Awesome vid.
Very nice your helping students for the future great channel.
Actually Hoosier is pronounced "Hoo-sure". Hoosier Tires is a company based out of Indiana, United States the Hoosier State. Debated what it actually means. Daytona 24hrs is tomorrow. I wonder if we will ever get a 24 hour races with vehicles like one shown in the video.
The car this is based on is designed for a max distance of 21 km... so probably no 24h.
A softer "s" sound, more like a "z". Hoozzzier. This car was built to race for less than one second, and once that was done, the car was done.
Honestly it's not much of a surprise considering the gearing, rim size and tire size.
It's basically an upscaled RC car. 20yo RC cars had the ability to go from 0-160kph in less than 1 second. Scaled up 60 is lost but time is kept...
After modifying my 60 year-old HO scale electric model slot cars, they could do a calculated 600mph. You did, however, have to slow to 300mph to make the corners without flying across the room.
The hydraulic connected suspension comes from Citroen from D model and 2CV 🙂
Except it doesn't? The 2CV has a big spring lying flat, but is purely mechanical (at least mine is) and the model D has no connection to work this way (at least my dad's doesn't) - the suspension is hydropneumatic, not hydraulic. It does some clever shenanigans to keep the car stable (for a car that old, that is) in acceleration, breaking and cornering - but not in the way depicted here.
On of my colleagues used to work on a formula student team. It’s a great project for future engineers
Mcmurtry fan car does 1.4 sec which makes the fastest production car. I'm surprised he didn't mentioned it but the editor showed it multiple times.
Very exciting, this is why I love engineering.
Bravo to the team, we look forward to your future contributions in the engineering and auto sector. 👍
Great job. Dont forget a Top Fuel dragster does this in half the time. Brute force.
Excellent! They made a specific vehicle to do what the McMurtry Speirling does on the racetrack! Brilliant! I wonder who will beat this acceleration test next and what technology they will use?
Good on the kids. That is one really cool achievement. Not exactly any novel ideas on their own but lots of clever engineering to combine existing concepts. Except, A top fuel dragster does 0-60 in 0.4 seconds. They crushed the 1 second barrier decades ago.
Makes you wonder how long it will be till electric's instant torque makes it faster.
Great job well done. Just so normal people understand how insane this, on a 600 cc racer (street motorcycle) with 120hp driving at 90 kph and adjusting your grip on the throttle can push you from 90kph to 170kph in under a second and that happens faster than you realizing what just happened. And motorcycles and snowmobiles are the fastest accelerating vehicles normal people can buy. This is insanity.
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No motorcycle of any kind can accelerate from 90 to 170kph in under a second - limited by one wheel drive and wheelie factor. Can you supply the identity of the motorcycle that can do this?
Too fuel does it in 0.49 seconds
Yeah, this is a bunch of nonsense and that’s a little tiny 2 pound go kart. He’s comparing it to hypercars. I’m not saying it’s not cool, but what a joke. Basically it’s a glorified electric RC car. So we can fairly compare it to big and heavy top fuel dragsters.
Faster than anything else in the world, really? Like faster than a catapult launcher on an aircraft carrier or a bottle rocket 😂🤷 I really don’t know but I just have a feeling there’s probably a few things in this world that can accelerate to 60 faster. I’m not hating on the guy and I’m sure if I was standing in front of him and asked that he probably elaborate on what he meant fairly reasonably
Still not quicker than yer roller skates 😎
@rexrocker1268 4 wheels and an Engine. Don't get your feelings hurt because it's not petrol. Electric is faster
Thank you 🤘
He said at some time. Projects like this have to stop why.
I say if you can go point .96
Why not .46
My high-school did something like this. We didn't have a ton of funding obviously, but we managed to make a kart that could go 73mph. It's acceleration wasn't great because it was gas, but we were just trying to make a custom kart go fast
A fairly standard race kart will do 120mph. Funding was definitely a problem. These swiss kids had $5,000,000?
Ferdinand Porsche was the first to mount an electric motor on each wheel. That was a lonnng time ago, near the turn of century, from memory. The other century.
sadly hub motors have turned out to be generally kinda rubbish, despite being an idea that's come and gone a few times. Might actually be particularly suited to this one very particular application, however? (Like if you're trying to get a lot of accelerative grip maybe you *want* a bunch of unsprung weight?)
@@tahrey still though. The immediate thought is the ease of being able to control each wheel... apart from it being four wheel. This being another first. Not that it was a car, more of a coach really, a project for a count, I think. Porsche was mucking around with batteries since he was a teen. This also led to the first hybrid, by Ferdinand. So yes, things do come and go.
@@arconeagain Well, I can't speak for whatever Porsche was thinking when he set his car up that way. Maybe distributing the weight and also reducing it somewhat by using pancake motors in place of the wheel rims (and brake hubs?) seemed like a good idea, at least in theory. Clearly it didn't catch on and even he didn't feel like persuing it that much further, other than as a testbed for that hybrid. (Who knows whether that idea might have been far more successful if using a regular inboard motor?)
As for being able to control each wheel... that's certainly a thing, but you could get that about as easily with inboard, sprung-weight motors that may be of a better shape (as well as easier to wire etc) even if direct drive, and maybe even more responsive with a reduction gear. Just do away with the differential and mount one motor per halfshaft. Or use two or even just one motor, plus two or three active diffs or some other kind of per-wheel power modulation (e.g. the brake-pulsing ESP/TC my car uses to very good effect).
One thing with hub drive is that you need to generate a hell of a lot of torque for any kind of launching force, which conventional electric drive achieves with a lower torque motor and gearing.
I suppose you also do away with the weight of the halfshafts themselves and the possibility of bending them with the torque coming out of the reduction drive, however?
Loved the Pumphrey's "more power" cut 😂 love your videos mate, keep going 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
F1 went off the rails in the early 2000's when they introduced grooved tires. The primary focus of innovation was aerodynamics over mechanical grip. This continued more or less into the next decade when F1 went further off the rails, allowing the cars to grow bigger and bigger.
Damn, thats properly fast!
I've had a pleasure to visit their lab. Amazing achievement!
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0.4 seconds - Top Fuel dragster
Exactly my man there are quicker cars to 60. Tfd as you say and most drag cars. Ryan Martins fireball camaro does it 0.7 on the street and 0.5 on the strip. Both are quicker than there car
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think that's mostly down to the surface. Drag strips are pretty much coated in rubber at the launch area. I'd be interested to see how quick a TF Dragster would be on normal tarmac.
The problem is that tire grip increases with increasing weight the drive tires Cortana but that's negated by having to accelerate that weight... Also, grip must be maintained initially, because losing grip, initially. allows the wheels to spin subsequently providing much less grip... That's why I came up with the following launch solution. The vehicle has a 10 foot long tubular member projecting out the rear. A properly sized cylindrical weight rides on linear bearings on that tube. Its initial position is at the rear of the car. This weight creates a beneficial downforce on the drive tires. In this case, when the vehicle accelerates, the weight stay stationary, in space, as the supporting tube is pulled through it. This gives all the benefits of additional weight on the drive tires without the equal loss of accelerating the added weight.
Why dont these sorts of things not include top fuel drag cars? The record needs to be more specific
I think they only last 1 run. Certainly the tyres do. Perhaps no drag racers thought of the one way, up hill loophole
Top fuel cars are just so far removed from anything else that it's not really a far comparison. Also, I'm fairly sure the record that was broken is a Formula Student specific record, and all the comparisons he did were just comparisons and not meant to lump all the different cars under one record.
The record in question is fastest acceleration from 0-100kph of an electric car. This does include all production EVs and prototype EV cars as well, however it has always officially been held by one of a couple of Formula Student teams, as no one from outside that community made any official attempts to beat it. For instance, the previous record of 1.461 seconds was unofficially beaten many times by the McMurtry Speirling. They never tried to get it certified though. With this time though, I don’t think there is any EV capable of accelerating faster at this point in time, officially or not.
He was the type of guy who liked Christmas lights on his house in the middle of July.
13:33 - If in doubt, flat out!
Yes, a top fuel dragster can beat that acceleration. But the record they break is the fastest acceleration with an electric car. It's an electric car that can be driven by anyone without any special skills, hence the sophisticated traction control. It's pushing the tech and the engineering that went into the project and the record is still impressive.
bro nobody does critical thinking anymore or even a quick google search i'm just shaking my head at how predictable the prone to being triggered types get
@@SafffOneee That's not it. You didn't do critical thinking either. The video maker specified a different class - saying that it's the fastest car of any type on the planet. I would not have even bothered commenting had I not seen that & ALSO looked to see if they qualified that same statement somewhere else but there was no corroboration that they didn't mean what they said "any car". I tested some kids around age 6 to 8 and asked them "what has four wheels an engine & can be driven. It also has brakes, you can steer it, & it can go backwards & forwards. Before I was finished asking the question they were all saying "car". So don't try to gaslight with arguments. it's pure BS & you know it.
@@aretheylying2915 using critical thinking, i did a quick google search and saw the record was for electric. that's what i stated, not sure the reason for your embellished post about me making arguments
It’s it even quicker than a Top Fuel or Funny Car dragster? I think not
As a UPS driver , I picked up trailers full of those sticky tires at their facility in Northern Indiana. And I'm here to say that those tires are sticky AF!!! I would grab a tire and it was amazing that my fingers would leave an imprint....
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Think that's such a great contest the universities compete in.
@@rjung_ch yess! I'm a part of a team from India! Crazy stuff!
Going fast is pretty easy, doing it with control is astounding....well done students : )
imagine a category where everything banned by the FIA is allowed
People would die. That's why they ban stuff. It's not because they are killjoys.
We had that. It was called Group B Rally, and it did not end well.
Rocket sled goes brrrrr.
Seriously, I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The "ideal" no-rule dragster would probably look something like the sprint missile with some wheels. That thing accelerated at 100 g while going straight up, reaching Mach 10 in 5 seconds. It accelerates so fast that it breaches the sound barrier in its launch tube, and would make everything else including top fuel dragsters look like snails.
Of course, the acceleration alone would also kill any potential passengers.
@@gerbilfx just take all the people off the track god dammit
@@mephistoxd2627 probably not good definitely fun
This is getting past the ability of observers to see what is happening. At a recent NHRA Top Fuel event I attended, the races were often over in only 3-point-something seconds. It often seemed the race was over before I could observe what was going on!
What is this a record of? A top fuel car is still much quicker. 0-60mph in 0.4sec and 0-100mph in 0.9sec
0-100kph acceleration of an electric car
Well sir I hate to tell you you're wrong top field dragsters do it in 0.8 of a second
Top fuel dragster has entered the chat.
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@@glen646 to put it into perspective, it'll reach 100 mph in 0.8 seconds, this toy has no chance
The down fan reminds me of the miniature rc cars that do those maze competitions in Japan. They are able to make insane turns at high speed without losing traction
Fastest F1 0-60 is 1.6 seconds, average is 1.9, not 2.5 sec.
Where do you have this information from? 2.5 seconds is a reaply good start for an F1 car
@@jogrob3762Google, the Times are Alonso in the Renault, Vettel in the Redbull when he was winning.
Look it up, some homework for you. Look at the power to weight ratio of an F1 car? Compare this to road cars that do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. Surely your brain tells you?
Careful with the satements... "Faster than anything in the world"
Top Fuel 0-60 is about 0.4 seconds
It took 17 minutes to talk about 0.9 sec. Impressive!
It's taking me hours to reply to wacky comments! Thanks for yours friend.
Excellent, Scott. Proper engineering explanation, yet again.
I noticed you did this using a petite European young woman. Now try using a average middle aged American man. Then I'll be impressed 😂
Do you understand how sexist that sounds?
What??? If they had a man that weighed less than the woman they used, they would have used him. She was obviously the lightest person on the team.
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In-Hub and one motor per wheel electric setups have been around for a long long time now. Techwise. The US military has been using them in future armored vehicle design for even longer. This is allllll pre-established tech, being used in the ways for which it was designed, plus a little more. Kudos to the team, but this was all pre-existing tech