TikTok Cult? | 7M Films and Miranda Derrick Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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For the boyfriend saying the parents just hate him because he is black just know that the other daughter is also dating a black guy with no issue.
Also you hear Robert telling them to play the race card, so it makes you wonder....
Exactly!!!!
There’s videos of the boyfriend traveling and spending holidays with her family he actually live with them for a while
So convenient for him to play the race card. The other sister just married a black guy last month in May.
I'm pretty sure Robert put that in his head and told him to state that. He is trying to make the family look like they are in the wrong any way he can to take focus off of their claims about him. Her and her husband are both victims of mind control.
With all due respect, you are missing a huge chunk of the picure here. The word cult wasn't introduced into Miranda's life until a controversial UA-camr - that claims she is a reporter - contacted Miranda's parents to claim that Miranda is in a cult. (Miranda's parents are no longer talking to this person). This UA-camr, Katie Joy Paulson of the Without A Crystal Ball channel has a pattern of claiming Cult to anyone with a religious background. She has disrupted the lives of the Duggar family, the Chrisley's, etc. with her cult claims and is currently facing defamation lawsuits. (As well as being sued in the past). She has been fired from Patheos for her antics. She even contacts the brands that sponsor family members to stop sponsoring ads on the family member's UA-cam pages, as well as unrelated UA-camr's pages. She has her blind followers harass her intended targets - without even asking them to do it - so who is running the cult here? Look into Katie Joy Paulson/Without a Crystal Ball. Her history of crying "Cult" and the havoc she wields upon her victims, along with her many updates per day that contradict one another across different social media platforms. Her petty jealousy knows no bounds. She lives for click baiting on social media and constantly claims her opinion and lies as fact. She is not a reporter, she just likes to play one on social media. When it comes to Miranda and Melanie...follow the money.....the truth lies there.
It's a cult.
you seem to know an awful lot about this and seem to be defending the cult. are you a member?
People need to become aware that abusers separate you from the people who love you.
By Marandas own admission, it was instances of her family that she decided to cut ties with them, and not because she was told to, in many cases, it is the family that is abusive that is causing the new partner whom they label as the abuser to put up boundaries
I’ve been a Christian my whole life. Attended a variety of churches over the years. Not one time did anyone, the leaders of church or anyone else, tell me to cut off anyone. And I never needed an invitation to attend or get shamed for missing an event. That stuff is cult behavior, not religious behavior.
exactly!
Same thing really, just varying degrees of delusion and subservience 🤔
"We are not in a cult."
Sounds like something someone would say if they were in a cult.
😅
But even those thats not..would say so too🥴
A cult is only thought of as a cult by the people outside it.
@@lindaedvardsson4218 yes so what's true? 🤣 Or should people, who are not in one, begin to say yes I'm in a cult, because then we know for sure they are not, because people in a cult most likely deny it 😁
@@elinazariel Right.. 👌🏼.. just wonder🥴
Now that Netflix has covered this story recently, an update is needed !
"I'm joining a new religion and have to cut you guys off, including my immediate family, but no worries, it's totally _not_ a cult."
_--cult member_
I’m also going to need to sign over my worldly possessions to the NOT cult leader.
Somebody should make a cult named "Church of Definitely Not A Cult"
Who in this group has cut off their family? Miranda has receipts she put out that she had an argument with her parents and have tried through out the year to get her parents to listen to her. Everyone else is talking with their families. There has literally been no family member (except the one fight with her parents) saying they are concerned for their adult kids in this group.
Have fun. Cult member once you start to feel like a victim come out and let us know how your family members were abusive and that is why you joined the cult.
Sincerely
Realistic
@@flyingmomlaura8723 That’s not what the families said. Think what you want.
Netflix needs to give Dr Grande his own show... these dry deliveries of comedy gold needs to be seen by all 😂🤣
Words of Wisdom. 🙏
His humor puts his channel over the top IMHO.
Nah. They have an agenda and would try and impose it on Dr. Grande.
How would Netflix help in that matter? UA-cam is already free for "all" but you need a paid subscription for Netflix. Dr. G. is doing just fine here on UA-cam 🙂🌵
We’d all love that!
I love how Grande annunciates “tik tok” very menacingly. Like tik TOK. Your times running out. You’re busted by Sherif Grande.
I loved how he said that! 😆😆😆
Hahahahhaa yes
Glad you pointed this out hahahha
Sheriff👮
@@bthomson Ah yes! Sheriff Grande. Don't be spelling his title wrong. Dr. Sheriff Grande. 😇
Demon employment discrimination is a problem long swept under the rug, thank you Dr. Grande for having the courage to bring it to light.
Finally societal awareness is being raised about my plight!
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@@OccultDemonCassette haha! That setup was perfect 👍!
This is why demons are into such bad stuff, they can’t make an honest living!
My mom dated a demon. She dumped him because he never worked. "It wasn't his fault mom, I told you Demon Employment Discrimination was a thing".
Cult insurance lol. I’m an insurance agent, maybe I need to get in on this 😂. As a parent cult insurance is being open and honest with your kids and talking about cults and harm that can come if they aren’t careful with religion/beliefs/groups. I’m a Christian but I teach my children about other religions without judging them. I make them aware there can be dangerous extremists in any group, including Christianity. Thanks for another great video Dr. Grande.
An important comment! Education is a great protector!
I think it's kind of reductive that you just need education to not fall for cults. Cults have pretty bad PR in our culture and they still get new members every day.
@@blainehancock I didn’t mean to insinuate that it would absolutely protect my kids from joining a cult one day. I’m open with them about how drug and alcohol use has negatively affected people I care about, that doesn’t mean they won’t try things one day, I just hope that education will make them examine their choices and have a better understanding of consequences. I think parents can neglect educating kids about certain subjects because it’s hard to talk about. For instance In the southern US we have historically taught abstinence only sex education and yet we have the highest teen pregnancy rate.
Getting sucked into something that turns out to be bad for you doesn't happen quickly. It can be subtle, they romance you into it.
It's like the boyfriend/girlfriend who acts like your dream partner then turns into a psychopathic stalker if they think you even looked at someone else.
A Christian insurance agent? Sounds like a conflict of interest. Believe...but have a Plan B.
I may be up at 2:30AM entering grades, but Dr. Grande has blessed me with a video. ❤👏🏾👩🏾🏫 Thank you good sir!
2:28 here in Albuquerque NM up nursing a baby. 🤗
Thanks for being a teacher. We loved 😍❤ my girls' teachers. Not an easy job.
5am, getting strong reenactment of good tactics to engage the world. be present, be able to listen , stay positive:) stay positive y'all
I get that!! 😅
3:20 am insomnia sucks
The slickest grifters are those who prey with subtle dark persuasion on a vulnerability especially when victim is trying to 'find' themselves letting them think it was their choice.
Yes it is clever subtle manipulation and love bombing.. "we are the thing you're looking for, you are special, we have special knowledge that only special one's can learn, it's us agaisnt the world, no one but us really understand the truth, we have the only real truth, we send you special invitation to this special isolated place because you are a chosen one, we love you as you are as long as you agree in everything we say and do, our leader is the ultimate hand of the true entity or true entity, to be "loved" by this leader is huge honor so you shouldn't say no or bad things happen, if your family and friends are worried/against us, they dont understand and need to be left out of your life, you should also submit us everything you own to become pure and show your commitment/loyalty . " these are some examples but there are a lot more red flags too.
@@elinazariel All the "food groups" are represented here. Remember the Dole pineapple heir that gave her 85 million to the Transendental Meditation cult (banned in India, loved by the Beatles) and then she sued her family and the "iron clad" Will set up by her parents to avoid JUST THIS ISSUE. Taking advantage of the vulnerable and basically MENTALLY ILL should be a serious FELONY in the USA, along with all this on line elder abuse.
A form of Gaslighting...a crime that's not recognized by authorities...
@@elinazariel Very astute words to avoid the trap. Its as though they stalk the Y in the road. Either choose your own intuition seeking knowledge in a safe space or yes...come hither " We will enlighten you to a glorious rebirth" Again, criminals, narcissists, sociopaths, always exploit a temporary vulnerability turning it into a permanent mental condition unless they can escape. Enjoyed your comments wisdom.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Agree 100 %
PARENTS! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO BE FAMOUS SOOO BAD!
HOLLYWOOD IS A #CULT
AS A PERSON BORN AND RAISED IN LA/HOLLYWOOD THIS IS THE WORST PLACE TO BRING YOUR CHILDREN!!!!! TRUST ME! 😵💫
Both sisters were dancing together on tic toc The daughter who did not join 7M was ghosted by her sister Miranda. The parents & sister have been actively pursuing getting Miranda out of the church & the tik toc dancing. Miranda rejects leaving 7M.
The family of this woman was told not to be aggressive in getting Miranda out of the cult because it might have retaliation on Miranda within the 7M.
IMO Miranda's family needs to let it go. If their daughter wants to leave, the cult expert said just show that you will be supportive if she wants to return to her family. The parents & especially the sister need to move forward w their lives. Miranda is an adult. She has told fans she is OK. Just let her decide. One day she may leave 7M. You cannot force these situations. Other. Members of this cult have left but have been unable to get the leader Robert Shin to be arrested on sexual abuse charges or financial misdeeds.
Dr. Grande is ahead of his time
He's not the only one. I recently discovered that there are other channels that covered this story 2 years ago as well. Apparently, this is old news now just published by Netflix. Smh.
This is why I am always nice to Mormon missionaries and invite them to sit and watch TV, use my computer, or call home. I got out when I was 18. I want them to know there is life outside of the church.
Good to hear you are well now 🙏
An intelligent and kind thing to do. 🇸🇪
I think most of the LDS missionaries are sincere and have good intentions. However, the ones I have met are woefully ignorant about their church's history and even some modern doctrines. Two sweet young girls converted my brain injured nephew a few years ago. He thought he could find a pretty young wife and have help from the church when he needed it. He later realized it did not work that way. He read about the Mormon treatment of non-Mormons in the early years, and he was done. Is a brain injury survivor an appropriate target for conversion? I say no n
@@lisamcdonald2877 I'm so sorry. The church for sure takes advantage of people with disabilities. We are indoctrinated from a very young age that everyone needs to hear the gospel for the "plan of salvation" to work. Members are constantly asked to give names of people fir the missionaries to visit. There is so much pressure to convert people. And we aren't allowed to find out anything about the leaders or church that isn't church approved. Anything but that is deemed antimormon. So most youth who are willing to serve missions are completely ignorant.
@@geekymomontheprairie perhaps the leaders have not realized that many non-Mormons have learned about their church's early history as well as some doctrines that strike "outsiders" as bizarre. Baptizing the dead, wearing special underwear once baptized, rituals and costumes that are nea duplicates of Masonic practices are all examples of off-putting LDS things. They should at least prepare their missionaries for questions about such matters.
No matter the religion, I'm against any organization that separates families.
Many organizations depending on the situation support separation from families including AA, Alanon, and Child Protective Services. It depends on the reasons why.
Always be skeptical of the intent of those that forbid intellectual promiscuity..
Intellectual promiscuity? Ugh!
Any "organization" that isolates one from their families/friends, who are not in the "organization" is suspish
But ultimately Derrick & Derrick make their own decisions.
Demons fighting for employment rights is the reason most Human resource departments are just up in arms! They really should not be able to clog up the system that way. Great video.
Demons have loved ones to support too like Familiars such as talking cats.
Many would say HR departments ARE filled with demons.
@@Sinsteel yup...
It's time for the demons to form an union to fight for theirs rights!
12:30am, my insomnia has me up. That would usually have me bummed, but on this occasion I’m happy because Dr. Grande has dropped a new video. Woo hoo!!!
Hang in there yt friend glad something brought some joy for you !!
@@TCGhottie Aww thank you! You’re very kind😊
I often have insomnia when it’s a full moon.
I actually have watched those dance videos and Miranda is my favorite dancer! I knew nothing about this! If Miranda and her husband are indeed in a cult, I hope they will one day be able to break free and return to pre-cult family and friends.
Same!! Not only James and Miranda Derrick - who are AMAZING to watch - but Vik White who still has family fighting against the Russians in Ukraine 🇺🇦 I 💚 their videos!
I really hope that these wonderful people are in good hands and not being taken advantage of. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Also - I have family members who would 💯 be against me being in a relationship with a black man and block me in the drive to address the issue. They were awful to my family members who are in relationships outside their race. Soooo - I am not sure. I understand how painful it is to have someone you love distance themselves from the family though. Plus I have zero respect for Paula White.
Still, that doesn’t mean they are in a cult. It just means that there are people in pain who need our best thoughts and prayers as they navigate their struggles.
@@PurpleIrishSweater Her sister (Melanie) is engaged to a black dude (NFLer Austin Ekeler) and is seemingly both in a fine/normal relationship with their parents, and also saying Miranda is in a cult. So yeah the "racist family" bit from Melanie/James seems to be exactly that--them "playing the race card" to cover up the fact they're in a cult lol.
I like how he says there's almost no chance to get out of a cult. It's true. That stuff contaminates your brain like Venom. There's something about cults that is sickening. It always involves one person that has some mental issues such as megalomania, narcissism, religious psychosis, vanity,
This "process" can happen in the workplace, families, and communities, too. It's a "tool" for control, usually by ONE person at the top.
Excellent post!
Not much more need to be said.
Dr. G should’ve given you a BIG heart for this…
And/or criminal backgrounds, active drug addictions, reasons to escape from their personal problems
And sexual perversity…every one of them.
Loved the advice at the end about being non-judgemental and positive. Assure them you love them unconditionally, their cult leader does not. Cult leaders seem to get very nasty and vindictive anytime a follower tries to leave.
They're even worse when you come back.
Agreed.
Oh yes!
Think about the actress Leah Remini, she is like a one-woman war effort against that cult that gets a lot of Hollywood people in.
I can't remember the name of it now - - the one Tom Cruise is in...
@@bluecollarlit yes his in Scientology cult that stalk on people through and after you leave
Especially if you’re making them lots of 💵.
I love Miranda’s short hair. I wish I could have her hairstyle. I love the way she and her husband dance together. So this is very disturbing to learn. I hope, if it’s true, she gets out. Their videos always pop up on my facebook reels. I have enjoyed them but if it’s a dangerous situation, it needs to be stopped.
I actually don't think she's part of a cult at all, it's just her family are crazy
@@WTC-1990 Exactly the parents and her sister are the crazy ones trying to control her choices and decisions. Miranda is a grown woman and they act as though she is still a child. Her sister kicked her out of the Tik Toc account they had together because she does not agree with Miranda's choices yet makes it seems as though Miranda is the one to blame for the fallout. It takes two to tango and her parents and sister have the mentality of our way or no way plain and simple.
I liked it better long
If you have to say out loud that you are not in a cult ; you are in a cult.Any partner; friend or institution that tells you to stop talking to your family is problematic.
I have a friend that is in a religion when the family found out she was "living in sin" she wasn't allowed to see her family for 1 or 2 years. I don't remember which. 🤷I don't agree with it either but some religions are like that. I'm not in any religious class so to speak.
Isn't this type of situation what started the Lori Vallow and Chad Day cult case? The apocalypse preparedness thing and end up with half of their family members dead... 🤔😒
She was nuttier, but they joined forces to rid themselves of all responsibility, so they could kiss-kiss, be total gluttons and live it up BIG TIME before the end of the world. So tragic here
Indeed they fit the bill of a cult.
Indeed. Chad was from a fundamentalist mormon off-shoot that was obsessed with the apocalypse... small Christian sects seem to be some of the scariest cults these days. I really hope they get out before its too late
WOW Great point. LORI VALLOW AND CHAD DAYBELL FOR SURE. Jeffrey Epstein too. It’s about trafficking.
Looking back at their experience, ex-cult members almost always say they didn’t know what was happening at the moment and their mind was being controlled. It’s too bad mind control isn’t a punishable or provable crime. It’s very insidious how the mind can be used and controlled by others.
It's not against the law to belong to a cult. Or be a so-called cult leader. You cannot be arrested for that. It takes many to leave & report sexual abuse or financial abuse. Often it is financial crimes that can bring about police investigation. But the prosecuters need many victims to come to report to police before victims can get justice. It is not a simple thing. If you are an adult & decide to work for free for a cult or are treated poorly the authorities think you are not a minor & you made the decision to follow a leader of your own free will. So good luck w justice. Step 1 leave the cult get free & start life over.
@@g.flesch9731 that’s great! You’re so smart!!!
I’m really happy that everyone is talking about this. A lot of dancers who have seen their friends get into this cult have been wanting to talk about this but have been nervous due to the fact that the leader and his wife are heavy gun enthusiasts. Thank you so much for speaking on this!
someone should get these parents in touch with Catherine Oxenberg. If there’s ANY person who is a epitome of both a mama bear AND a masterclass in “points one and two”, it’s her.
better yet, they should get a hold of Leah Remini - as she speaks of cults as well, just not Scientology'
@@JustMeDG i almost feel like Leah is for advanced stage parents - but beginning stage ‘my family member is in a cult’ ppl should have Catherine to start.
At least, if it were me knowing virtually nothing abt extricating my loved one from a cult, id prefer the warmth and guidance of Catherine but after i’m learned and really pissed tf off, I’ll contact Leah, human-sized pitbull ha ha
(although, pit bulls are darlings so not using them in a derogatory way at all)
@@LiddlestLady not versed on Catherine but Leah is the real deal
Catherine is badass! Much respect for her 🙌🏽
@@jaedynwood2252 for sure…just like Wu-Tang, she ain’t nuttin’ to fuck with!! 😉
It’s not a cult. Katie Joy from Without a Crystal Ball 🔮 just wishes it was so she has content.
💯 I can't believe he would even discuss this
Even IF it is a cult, kJ is not capable to even help. She even might get someone hurt. This is why there are so many lawsuits
watching "dancing with the devil" -- the rabbit hole has gone deeper...
Just a reminder ⚠️⚠️ he is NOT diagnosing 🔦🔦 ANYONE 😽😼😻 only speculating 🧐🧐🖋🖋 about what COULD⁉️❔❔ be happening 😭💋 in a situation 👀🤵🏼♀️ like THIS‼️‼️‼️
what’s crazy is how they have disappeared, no social media updates on a personal level, just freaking dancing! It’s crazy!
I don't understand why people just say absolutely anything without knowing what they are even going on about. Miranda literally has her own social media accounts (it makes no sense what you are claiming anyway, considering it's being claimed she's in a cult that heavily focuses on those involved making an impact on social media) plus she and her husband are on other social media accounts.. plus they do other things in the general media and the arts world.
Seriously tho Dr. G. ... this was excellent, and a very important current day topic! There is a book by author Steve Hassan ... a good read if you have friends or family in a cult. He got pulled into the "Moonies" when he was young, then got out. It's great to hear it from someone who's seen both sides, and how they got him. Today, he works on legal (no kidnapping) methods of extricating cult members ... and he also says, even highly intelligent people can be pulled in. As in "Too smart for your own good." Ty again Dr. G for another informative video!!!🎯
a trades worker would say "screw you", a Masters' Degree in something is trained to say "Tell Me More"......look at the Bagwan: loads of people who gave all their assets and moved to Antelope, Oregon and a lot of them had advanced degrees.
Oh gosh the moonies are truly something else. Vice has done some solid coverage of them and it’s where I first learned of it. I’m horrified they’re readily present in the states now - and dabbling in politics & fundraising. When on an outreach, I had the joy of having two Korean roommates and we would stay up late most nights just talking. And the Moons and heretics were common topics of discussion and I believe I was actually the first to ask them if they knew anything.
@@lindseyhendrix2405 If you're curious, check out the newspaper "The Washington Times". They own it.
@@lindseyhendrix2405 And BTW, DID your friends know anything? I'm guessing I'm quite older than you. Back in the 70's, EVERYONE knew the term "Moonies". Now, not so much.
Here after the Netflix documentary
Same 👍
Any high demand religion is cult-like. See Stephen Hassan's BITE model. Being confrontational makes people dig in--it's called the backfire effect. Street epistemology is the only thing I've seen that is helpful, but you just never know what will crack open a person's mind and let them finally see reality. For me, raised and entrenched in cult-lite for 35 years, it was several things over a few years that each rocked my reality a tiny bit, until the cracks were big enough I couldn't ignore them. I feel for her family, I know exactly how they feel.
So sorry for the loss of your family member. 🇸🇪
The fact that this dude is teaching people how to prepare for the apocalypse makes me think: Oh boy, this is definitely a cult!
Yeah that really dials up my suspicions as well....
@@KS-PNW right?! I mean this like David Kuresh but maybe a little bit more sophisticated. Which is even more scarier.
It's actually not an uncommon belief among even mainstream Christians.
@Heidi Stabbert right. Xtians, mainstream, and fundies all have a sick and twisted belief that the end times need to come, and they'll basically do what been to bring it about.
To be fair... I don't think "preparing for the apocalypse" is necessarily a cult-- it is what the definition they have for the apocalypse that is the issue. If "Apocalypse" means nuclear war, pandemic, ecological collapse, then not a cult. If "Apocalypse" means alien impregnation, mind control, lizard people invasion from the center of the earth.. .then CULT.
... but Zombie apocalypse is probably ok... :D
There is always this baseline assumption that families are good people by default? We know that isn't true! Sounds to me like she had her reasons to get away from them. I'm inclined to believe her saying they are racist and didn't approve of her choice of partner. However there is the sad possibility that she has fallen from one controlling situation into another and neither are healthy. Hopefully she at least has a happy relationship with her husband.
Contemporary culture teaches us to believe every accusation of racism unquestioningly. So naturally you are inclined to believe it. There is no evidence to suggest it is true however.
Do you believe every family of those young people to be bad people?
Both the girls date black men so saying that was the reason is not so.
Your sneak attack Stephen Wright moments always knock me out of my seat. You’d think I’d learn how to anticipate them by now 😄
Yes! Perfect comparison!
This could be a cult situation but it also seems like the girl is trying to discover herself and her personal style and it was too much of a departure for her family's liking. She cut her hair, married a black person and stop talking to her parents. If I had a dime for everytime something like this happens and the person isn't in a cult, I'd be rich. She probably just tired of dealing with her family
This largely happens in TV dramas. It is frequent only in your imagination.
@@eadweard. i dont watch TV dramas. This is a thing especially down here in Montgomery Co Texas
@@violetedge83 This is more likely than it being a cult but that’s not interesting enough to go viral 🤷🏽♀️
I tend to agree, I've heard stories about her mother being a piece of work being extremely overbearing and mean to everyone around her
Definitely a cult. There have been over 31 girls who have sued the leader of 7M cult. They are also well known to be child traffickers.
This drama has been heavily and self serving pushed by UA-cam Katherine Manske Paulson. Are you familiar with Paulson’s current and past behaviors, psychopathology, and multiple defamation related lawsuits? Please familiarize yourself with Paulson, and give your opinion on her.
Sorry, but weird doctrine doesn't mean "cult". Miranda blocked her family because she dated and married a blk man; a person they did not approve because of his race. And that's it. The whole cult thing is a huge red herring on the part of the family.
What makes you think that was the reason?
@@eadweard. One reason is the family called the cops on him saying he abused and kidnapped her. That's them trying to get him out of her life as far away as possible, even if it means putting him in jail unjustly. That shows pure desperation on their side. Interracial dating is one of those triggers that get people desperate.
@@Angelica._.officalll What has telling the cops he abused her got to do with race?
@@eadweard. Circumstantial evidence. What, for you to believe it the person has to explicitly use the n-word?
@@Angelica._.officalll What is the circumstancial evidence?
You made this 2 years ago??? wahaha I only just known this from Netflix. So this 7M thing had been talked about for a while...😅
Katie joy Paulson woacb has destroyed this story! I would love to hear your opinion on her!
Unfortunately he almost sounds like he got all his information from her. I felt like I was listening to one of her streams....but not on her channel...you know 😉
I don't get it... are you throwing shade at Megan Markle? Has she done something wrong? 🙄
Well she is a bit of a cretin.
It’s also important to remember that both Miranda and her husband, James are adults who chose the path they are on.
If this is a "cult" then couldn't we compare say maybe The Boy Scouts of America or any pyramid scheme really a "cult" .... no seriously? Why is this such a HUGE ordeal when these people don't look in danger, on drugs, all married and pregnant by one leader, getting ready for travel to Mars, actively recruiting other dancers.... these adults have free will. The Catholic Church is a Cult. I know, I went to Catholic school. The Kingdom Hall - Jehovah Witness's is a cult. Really any form of religious organization that isolates their religious beliefs from other religious beliefs can be put in a "cult" category. People evolve. People become self aware and sometimes choose to remove toxic people from their lives. Sometimes those people are family. I haven't spoken to a sister 15 years because she is an Evangelical Christian and looks down on me because I have pagan beliefs.
What is a modern cult?? I'm assuming we are all have some type of cult behavior just from being alive. We are manipulated by the media daily into believing what they want us to... we give our money to the highest bidder because they have convinced us they are the only real ones taking care of us. Example- health care benefits. Product selection. Car choices. Food choices. Please stop using the term cult unless its 100% a proven cult. The Church of Satan in San Francisco is a Cult. My mom was in Lifespring, now labeled a cult. It was her choice. My mom had free will. This is a religious organization that has control of its dancers assets.. in exchange for whatever they agreed to. It's a contract they, as adults have agreed to. Not their family. If they lose money I guess they'll learn. Just like if my sister works for a company that told her if she joined their "team" her life would change. Everything was perfect at first... a year later.. treated her like shit, didnt give her a raise for 5 years and only offered her the bottom of the barrel health care benefits. Yet, she was trapped because it was all she had and couldnt afford to leave. It took her 3 more years to finally get out. Sound like a cult? No, why not?
That is not a choice
There can still be coerce, like DV rlshps
Thank you for the advice on getting someone away from a cult. And of course for your amazing dry wit, Dr. Grande.
I’ve been watching these TikTok videos of Miranda, Bdash, Vik, Raino and other dancers for several months now as they show up on my YT feed. They are very impressive but I had no idea of this possible cult atmosphere.
Same here. I first saw Miranda dancing to Earth, Wind & Fire's "September" on my feed. I was completely mesmerized by her! She is incredible. I wish I knew how to watch them dancing to the whole song.
Me too...I was obsessed with Miranda's and Vik's videos for awhile but never had an inkling about this.
Despite her not getting along with her family, if she wished she could have attended her grandfather's funeral, but then again, maybe they were not that close. She's also an adult and since she wanted to branch out, it's upto her. I love my siblings, but their decisions are their own. I don't have to agree with them neither do I have to be around them but I will respect them if they are not affecting me .
Also, I don't know how it was in the US, but in the UK there were limits on numbers of attendees at funerals during covid plus travel restriction. I couldn't/didn't attend the funerals of any of my grandparents, we weren't that close either (physically or emotionally).
"...demon employment discrimination", that was funny!!!😂
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i watch at night and his voice calms me for bed (not that he is boring)
Hey Doc! Would you be doing the tik tok fiasco that is the "womblands" and "informed consent" mess?
YES
I am so happy that I've never installed Tik Tok or Twitter. Seems like there is just a constant flow of toxicity out of those platforms.
@@OccultDemonCassette interesting channel name.
@@guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 It's representative of most of the content I upload. I digitize and upload old ridiculous Satanic Panic VHS tapes from the 80s/90s that I find at Thrift Stores and upload them to make fun of. Pretty much any wacky/weird/crazy old VHS tape i find I'll try to digitize. LIke the Y2K Survival Guide hosted by Leonard Nimoy - the production quality of that video looks like a Tim and Eric Awesome Show Skit.
Love your advice on how to deal with family members or friends who are lost to a cult. Have you done a whole video about that Dr. Grande? If you haven't, you should. That's simple information could be so helpful to so many.
"It takes insight to overcome gullibility!" A neat sum up!
Hopefully the kids will grow out of it. Thank God I'm an atheist.
Smug, sanctimonious twaddle.
Miranda is in a serious dangerous situation. James wants her for himself, and the cult , 7M, is doing all the dirty work for him; it’s a Win-Win situation, without 7M who knows if Miranda would still be with him, he is a loser.
Oh wow. I follow a lot of these people on tiktok. I had no idea
Allways my favorite he is one of the best folks on the you tube thanks Dr Grande for helping me and I am sure a lot of people
Small thing but I don't know that it's fair to say that Jim Jones was obviously dangerous.
While it gradually became more obvious that his group wasn't going anywhere positive, and after they moved to south America the red flags were super apparent, in the beginning he supposedly seemed harmless enough. At the time his message of racial equality actually seemed progressive to lots of people.
Jim Jones was in my great-uncle's statistics class in Indianapolis. He invited my uncle and his wife to a People's Temple service once, and they went. They thought it was pure horseshit, with staged faith healings, and so forth.
Oh no, KJ from Without A Crystal Ball got to Dr. Grande!!😔 But I am glad to hear Dr. Grande saying for family members not to be so judgemental and provide support so as not to further alienate their loved ones. KJ is extremely judgemental and wants to cause all the problems she can with Miranda and the dancers. Kj is definitely vindictive and not supportive at all. All she cares about are clicks and views.
That's exactly what I thought when I first saw this posted. KJ will do anything for views, clicks & clout. KJ is the only one leading her own cult here.
I was seriously scrolling through the comments hoping that someone was gonna mention Katherine Joyless and her advocacy for dismantling cults for clout! Lmfaoo.... Then I saw your comment and although I don't recognize your name, we most follow similar UA-cam creators to know what KJ's antics are since she can't discuss the Duggar situation for a little while. You know, the whole Jenna Duggar (I don't watch the show nor follow the family or KJ so I may have misspelled her name) situation and sponsorship debacle, wherein KJ contacted "Native" to basically have any ad revenue or income possible gained, immediately pulled because of their "belief system and blanket training". Tati Westbrook, Steve Mcrae, Jenelle Evans &Amber Portwood (of MTV's shows Teen Mom/Teen Mom 2), Kailyn Lowry of Teen Mom 2, Lindsey Chrisley & her father Todd Chrisley (who's actually going to be the saving grace for any future victims and past ones who contact him, as he is now also suing KJ for defamation).... Numerous UA-cam Content Creators, EVEN KJ's OWN HUSBAND AND HER OWN SON ARE NOT SAFE FROM THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN AND FLYING MONKEYS SHE SENDS OUT TO HARASS OTHERS WHO DARE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN HER! I really wish Dr. Grande would cover her in a video, matter of fact, it's been suggested numerous times on the subreddit that is made of only information pertaining to KJ. My advice, if anyone wants to look into the situation with Miranda and 7M, don't watch "Without a Crystal Ball". If you choose to watch, please don't encourage or create drama and more problems for anyone who KJ discusses because she has an interesting way to always have her "sources" that are "close with" whoever she's discovered at the time, this way her (KJ's) hands never actually get dirty and she only reveals her "sources" when she's being sued & is taken to court. Lmfaoo. Just pick another creator who doesn't have a bias against attractive, successful, intelligent, happy and wealthy women. Because that is one of many reasons why Katie Joy fixates, in an extremely unhealthy manner, on certain people.
I posted that this is all because of Katie Joy too! Dr. Todd should do a video on her. It could be it’s own series!
@@heidistabbert3062... FACTS! It's frightening to watch because she truly is leading her own type of little cult. And her information is 80% of the time, INCORRECT. Remember the whole UTI conversation and how she tried explaining to her viewers that "you can't get a UTI after sex" lmfaoo then flipped out when she was corrected. Or how about the time that she went after a follower at the time (I think her name is Suzanne), who was innocently trying to share her personal experience, and KJ went off on her on multiple different platforms for having the audacity to show compassion when she had actually lost her child and KJ was just talking about the memory of the date years prior where she ALMOST lost her son. This woman obsesses over people and tries to act like they're best friends, (cough, cough .... Lindsey Chrisley, Amy King, Matt Bier to name a few), then gets pissed off and reveals all DM's and topics of past conversations to completely destroy their reputation. Even to the extent of digging up financial records like she's done to Elle Bee. There's something wrong with KJ, seriously, she's like the Pam Hupp of UA-cam. LOL
@@mamabear-9.18.18 I don't post very many comments on other channels but I am an avid viewer of Charlotte, Barbie, Ranelle. I am one of the casualties of KJ on her Instagram when I made a very innocent comment and was immediately blocked. Watching KJ is like a bad accident you can't stop looking at.
Your information on this case appears to have come from WOACB. Is that where you researched this? Katie is not a reliable source and you are repeating false info. She is being sued by several victims for defamation and harassment.
Why don’t you do a video on Katie Joy as well? The consensus is that she is a malignant narcissist…what is your take on her?
Family's social media video is sourced in it
The family chose to go to Adderall Annie over at WOACB all while knowing what a rotten person she was. Their credibility went down the shitter at that moment!
MIRANDA N VIC ARE FABULOUS DANCERS 🍂💗
But leaving your family for that we’ll see what happens
Consider the source of where this whole 'cult' narrative came from. One of the most toxic UA-camrs on here started this diatribe for her own personal gain, and from there these dancers have been living in hell. This has to stop! No matter what their situation is, unless one of these dancers actually comes out and says 'Please help me", they deserve to be left alone. It is not up to the general public to go against these dancers wishes. Just stop the harassment. Not your circus, not your peanuts.
All the advice that you gave for the family members who have lost a loved one to a cult was absolutely incredible!!
Great video, Dr. Grande! ♡♡
The increase of churches accusing people of being demonstrated possessed is alarming. The threatening retoric is abusive and dehumanizing.
That’s called “Christianity”
You're monotone analysis is quite relaxing yet very concise and thought provoking(I enjoy the jokes you slip in too without batting an eye or making a gesture!). What intrigues me most are your videos on grandiose and vulnerable narcissism. I'm curious how much of a role narcissism plays on the whole video culture in this day and age. It seems everyone wants to be famous in some way, shape or form. My question is though, how much of a role does trauma play when it comes to vulnerable narcissism, say if it were constant life-long harrassment and bullying mixed in with drug addiction and physical trauma? I've always wondered about the findings with concussive brain injury and altered behavior. Can they go hand in hand?
Dr. Grande , do you consider QANON a cult ? I do , I have lost a couple of friends to QAnon.
I hope the people who watch your videos are all aware that they need to pay close attention for those brilliantly funny comments you make (a la Meghan Markle movie comment) because they make me laugh out loud, what a marvelous sense of humor you have.
I'm glad my parents teach me not to believe in a supernatural being to solve my issues. Only myself and knowledgeable professionals can help. That's why recruited me in a cult or religion is impossible. More parents should do the same thing so theses conspiracies nonsenses will not be a thing anymore. Same for religious cults.
“Argument from First Corinthians”: St. Paul, as he is known to both believers and non-believers, makes what might be the most definitive statement about a human being’s relationship to God as Father. “Love is patient, love is kind, it doesn’t work through envy or fear…it keeps no record of wrong doing.” I would suggest this as the appropriate litmus test for deciding whether a cult is at work. Can such a standard be used? We see that Mr. Shinn loves his Bentley SUV. Love is at work; it can't be a cult.”Love never fails.”Thank you for reading.
Thank you Michael. 💜
Please make a video about Without a Crystal Ball.
“Sounds like more Demon employment discrimination “ haha Dr Grande ❤
I wish you would take a good look at KJ and report on her. In my opinion KJ is very dangerous.
First they start with love bombing to draw you in, compliments, gifts ect, inviting you around for dinner after meetings ext. Then they take up all of your spare time without you realising. Then they mention how it’s not a good idea for your family to have so much in put in your life and then before you know it you will cut everyone off thinking it was your own idea. I may or may not be talking from experience 😩
Another late night listening to Dr.Grande!
There's a cult in my town, in Moscow Idaho. Being from New Jersey, and then moving here, it's been quite jarring and I don't know what to about the growing faction in my town. Thanks Dr. Grande, I needed some pointers on how to combat a cult. ❤️
!!! Wait a damn minute…I’m in Pullman. What’s the cult?! Gotta keep an eye out lol
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Until they start running for local office and filling government positions...too late by then.
Maggie - Sunshine is in between so I think you are ok!🌞
@@MaggieCat1998 hah! Small world! I go to the university of Idaho! 😂
It's very sad to me to hear about white supremacist groups and other cults that have moved to Idaho in the last decades.
"...demon employment discrimination..."😂 You crack me up, Dr. Grande! Excellent analysis as always! ❤️
"historicaly, religion & aggression have not always formed the most helpful combinaison..." - Dr Grande
LOL!
i laughed hard!
Please make an update, it would be awesome, but in the meantime thank you for this!
Very, very relevant and in fact so so sad 😔
I'm a huge fan of the Dancers, especially RainO, so I'm kind of really hanging in thin air at the moment!
Thank you. Doctor! Very much appreciated..enjoy your work!!
Your voice is so calming and your wonderful voice brings me so much peace and joy; no matter the subject matter. Thank you for what you do. I’m such a fan
If my mom spoke like dr grande I 10000% percent believe we’d have a good relationship lol
I watch this guy far too much, but every time, I'm never disappointed
The parents and sister seem to be more upset about losing control of Miranda and the income she helped generate.
If you have to ask if you’re in a cult then you are in a cult.
Well it sounds like there is no real proof but a bunch of ridiculous thoughts or ideas that remain unsubstantiated. Maybe she is just trying to be successful and loving her life.
Ok Robert we know this is you!!!🙄🙄🙄
@@Dancemom-hw2jt not Robert . I’ve seen the documentary and now realize they are being trafficked and controlled by Shinn. Any church that is invite only is suspect
6:52 this is simply not true. Not sure where you are getting this information
Demons and witches have bills to pay too
Hahahahhahahahaha
Do another now that the doc is out! How do people get stuck in 7m and decide to disassociate, disconnect and be all in?
Love bombing. Invites to special dinners and church to indoctrinate.
Yep, yes sir, time to unlimber the "Demon Darts" by Hasbro and take em out. It is difficult at times to remember these cases are not fictional
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Hey, those 'Demon Darts'...a couple days back, it was the 'Roof Demons'...and the darts.
@@dougankrum3328 It seems we have a plethora of demons to deal with and the old school "Demon Darts" may be our only salvation.
@@oldhick9047 Do they even make them anymore? If they were from Hasbro, probably not expensive, but 'darts'...sounds like something the 'safety' committee might have got after..? I remember what happened with those 'Lawn Darts'...
The demons should definitivly contact their trade union. 🇸🇪
Not sure if they are in a cult or not, but Miranda's family, mostly the sister, seems to be making the video for views and likes. If you watch the video the sister makes herself the center of attention so much so that the dad is mostly out of frame. Her hair, nails and make up are on point and the fake crying, let just say even community theater would hire her. I'm surprised someone as objective as Dr. Grande wouldn't have picked up on that. Miranda is an adult
Did you see the photos of the sister and mom at the salon with Patrick Starr...glamming it up for the camera...strange!!??
Hey Dr. Grande, I wonder what your opinion is on contacting the brands of these dancers and asking they no longer sponsor them? Do you feel that's appropriate or helps to get the dancers out of this alleged cult?
Personally, I don't agree with causing further harm to the victims in a means to possibly impact their leader. In my opinion it will cause the dancers to pull away and isolate themselves even more. I just think there could be a better way to go about helping them than trying to remove their means of income.
The mind problem with this is that people assume that all family dynamics are good.
Yay! I wish these videos were an hour long.
It does seem the couple do love each other, but may have been taken in by a charismatic leader. But how is this any different from so many other religions or political movements that were described by others as being a cult simply for being different? How many people regularly shell out money or sign over their homes to televangelists? It’s a slippery slope with no clear line between cult and religion. Scientology has tried several times to get the IRS tax shelter as a religion. They have Travolta, Cruz and Tilly doing their work. Ultimately the is about family accepting their adult children’s choices.
Omg! I've been watching their videos for several years! Miranda is my favorite. I had no idea about any of this!
Wow I hadn't heard of this situation but I'm definitely going to go check out some of their videos. It does sound like this young couple have been drawn into something unhealthy. You always have the greatest advice for any situation and this was no different. If the family can stick to steps 1 and 2 especially and not just right now but for as long as it takes it might just be the difference between in getting Miranda out of there instead of pushing her further away as you said.
Wonder what percent of viewers here are now on tiktok doing same. Guilty here
Thanks for your thoughts
What a yucky situation. I love the pointers about staying in touch with your loved one, etc. because cults and addictions thrive on your frustration and giving up on your loved one. It’s like you said they have to form their own opinion that it’s not fun anymore and dangerous. Look how people end up dead behind this stuff.
Sounds to me Amanda and her husband are being exploited.
I just like their joy in dancing. Hope they last in this turbulent world.