Well excuse me!!! IM SHEREES MOTHER N WHO ARE YOU NUTS GETTING OFF ON READING N TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU ALL SEEM TO NO NOTHING ABOUT OR HAVE JUST READ TO MUCH,,SHAME JOB
@@alb5801 no, she didn't, which is super messed up. She clearly only had herself in mind. Absolutely disgusting. Wish she could have been charged as an accessory after the fact
@@tb-dv1zc Have you ever dealt with a real monster in real life? I bet not. When you report things it makes it really bad for you because the police don’t give af. So now you are in danger more and the person is still free. Plus what was she going to tell them that would allow them to do anything? I reported that my ex husband left a loaded automatic rifle out on the bed where my five year old found it but thankfully his 16 year old sister saw and called me and put it away before he could hurt himself. The police laughed at me and said there was nothing he could do, he is a felon btw, many times over. He ended up beating the hell out of our daughter for “betraying him” by telling me and the cops were called before he did it because he was going into a rage with her. The police arrived somehow came to the conclusion that he is a “good dad” and told him he could hit her. As soon as they left that’s when he beat her. When they arrived they never checked her for bruising, told me I could only take her not my five year old and the only reason they got taken away is because we reported it to the school police the next day. They then took photos of all the bruising, swollen eye, notated the lump on her head from him punching her and his hand marks around her throat from choking her. It’s been a year and they gave him back 50/50 custody of my youngest son just yesterday because he took a few classes 😂 his criminal case will be on a deferred program so after two years of probation no jail time, it will be deleted from him record. I said all that to say STFU if you have no idea what you are talking about!
@@tb-dv1zc what did you want her to say? “My husband did laundry, arrest him immediately? Even with his rap sheet, there’s absolutely nothing that could’ve or would’ve been done, based on him doing laundry. The police were already suspicious that he was the perpetrator, but they needed actual evidence.
Legal issues and professional ethics aside, I think I would be motivated by my own moral code in that situation. I think I'd be willing to be sued and lose credentials if it meant taking a murderer off the streets.
Psycho Therapists are mandatory to report any suspicion of child or elder abuse. They tell you this before you start talking which is kind of stupid cause then they are pretty much telling their client don’t admit anything and keep your guard up around me. They should just report without warning.
@@mrplinkett4429 Children don't "ask for it" - the murderer is the only one at fault here. You are seriously mentally off if you think children ask to be tortured and murdered. Do we wonder if you are one of those sick and twisted individuals who stalk children?
I remember this case from when I lived in Australia in the 90s .... That poor little kid and her heart-broken parents. Thank you for stressing the significance of escalating behaviour as a pattern of serious offending develops - too often flashing or indecent exposure is trivialised or giggled at instead of recognised as the beginning of sexual violence. Terrifying how many offenders started off as "harmless" flashers or "snowdroppers" stealing underwear from neighbours' clotheslines as teenagers and escalated to physical acts of violence. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for pointing that out. When I moved to the UK, I tried to live in houseshares to cut down on housing costs. I was in my 30s so thought I would be safe. I had several live in landlords and 'housemates' (other tenants, in multiple occupancy houses) who were walking around naked or in their underwear, walking (sometimes naked) in the bathroom while I was taking a shower (you couldn't lock the door, supposedly because of the risk that you could lock yourself to do drugs... same thing with the bedrooms), walked into my bedroom while I was sleeping and climbed into my bed, or, if I wasn't sleeping yet, wanted to give me a cuddle... and were fascinated with my underwear, whether clean or dirty. The untoward behaviours escalated over a period of weeks, and the longest I stayed in such houseshares was a couple of months. Of course I lost my deposit in most cases, and I had a lot of difficulty finding new digs as I needed a reference from my landlords for the new landlords, or letting agents... I encountered similar behaviour from a female landlady and from female letting agents too, including offering to check my breasts for cancer, making jokes about sex toys (since I am single) and asking me about my 'personal hygiene', i.e. about how I washed my genitals...
Her "poor, poor heartbroken parents" were irresponsible morons. The girl was never supervised and they sent a 6 year old alone on her bike to get cigarettes for them. That's completely idiotic. Yeah, even in the 90s. I almost had something similar happen to me when I was 5, I was completely unsupervised in the afternoon and a neighbor (someone I knew vaguely) wanted to rape me. Yes. I smelled his bullshit though and ran away quickly from his appartment, after refusing to undress. He "only" rubbed himself against me.. So, NO, whenever something like this happens, there are people not fit for parenting in the picture..
A friend told me that her husband who's a contractor in the Palm Springs area witnessed a teenage boy steal some oversized generic looking white underpants from a very unattractive senior lady who had hung them out to dry. He was surprised that the teen would want them. I took it as a teenage prank and everyone got a laugh out of it. It never occurred to me at the time that it could be a prerequisite for future crime.
What does that means? I'm sorry, I'm not an English speaker. I've been trying to understand what the hell he did and can't figure it out. Thank you in advance.
I’m a Clinical Psychologist in Australia. Anyone can call themself a therapist here (not something I personally agree with this. The general public don’t necessarily know the differences between different “professional” titles). In terms of ethics, professionally registration mental health therapist guidelines generally recommend we should report to the police a past crime that is serious, or a future crime. the guidelines are vague, but myself and a lot of colleagues go by the “would they be likely to get 10 years in jail for the crime” as a way to decide what’s a “serious” crime. Which would be a pretty serious one, given our jail sentences are incredibly light). All this is to say that reporting a patient’s serious crime to the police is not a breach of confidentiality. You’re right in saying we can’t really report without knowing the victim, but only because the police can’t really take any action. However, if we are concerned someone is homicidal, even if we don’t know the victim or the patient speaks generally about homicidal intent, then we should report. Despite Margaret not being bound by any ethical obligations (given she was not a registered professional), anyone who works in the mental health field should have an understanding of ethics.
I posted this before - I'm extremely glad he got caught, but in general, faking doctor/patient confidentiality and/or faking being a therapist in the first place is ethically really fucked up. I wouldn't support this for ANY crime except for rape, murder, abuse, and crimes against children.
@@hpswagcrafti bet you wouldn’t feel this way if it was a member if your own family killed or saved from being a potential victim. Some things in life are way more important than patient/client confidentiality. And some people don’t deserve the privilege.
I'm Australian and a BSW with an undergraduate in Masters of Counselling. I didn't' bother completing. I also do advocacy and work in the MH space and I'm going to point out to you that the comments you make about reporting crime are your legal obligations and that they do create ethical conflict for people because.. (and I'd expect you to know this as a psychologist) the profession believes that people can recover, and the recovery is based on the therapeutic relationship of trust. IF a potential client learns that a therapist will breach confidentiality and inform police (or MH services to have them sectioned) they will NOT disclose, and that means that there is no way to intervene and create behaviour change. so you saying 'its not a breach of confidentiality" is correct in that by law its not (especially since the Privacy Act of 1988 was changed so that people such as yourself can be compelled to release information about a persons mental health to banks and so forth).. it is still a breach of confidentiality, and a breach of trust . it is an ethical dilemma. Having said that in our country even priests are now legislated to inform police about crime or risk being charged as accomplices after the fact.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing Dr. Grande. I'm just speculating about what may be happening in a case like this. Apparently this video was uploaded around 4AM Eastern Time (US), and Dr. Grande has seen at least some of the comments from the early viewers. Dr. Grande may have insomnia.
Your the best at covering these cases. You dont even have to show off your excessive make up, figure or speak like an image conscience teenager. 😄 no shrill voice or empty talk. THANK YOU!!!
So sad that folks saw this little girl in distress but couldn’t help. I understand kids have meltdowns even with their own parents so I’m not saying they were wrong. I just am so sad this little girl did not survive. 💔
@@robinly Yes, killers tend to murder those close to them. If someone in my family is a killer then I’m reporting them, it’s just self preservation 🤷♂️
@@robinly Yeah because if you truly care about her you don't want her to be a dysregulated force of evil in the world, harming others, killing someone like how someone could potentionally kill her, or you. It's not the best FOR HER that you keep quiet. I have two older brothers but if I had a little sister and she confessed to a murder I would probably try to keep my cool and first think and research a ton about it. My objective would be how to get her the rightful punishment but also ger her help while she's in prison. Maybe I would strike a deal with the police that I want to report a confession to murder but before that I want to assure, in written form, that I am allowed to meet with the prisoner every day and that meetings with a psychiatrist and psychologist and maybe a spiritual leader are allowed and organized. Is that fair for someone who commited murder? I don't know, but I know I love my little sister and want the best for her. So I will try my best to make those things a reality for her. But not not going to prison. Not not receiving punishment. In some cases we need punishment - timely and severe. Or it can be so much worse. I believe in God, in Jesus Christ and the life after this life. Better have our punishment on earth and not after earth if it will help sincere repentance.
I could argue that the parents of the kidnapped child are ongoing victims, and that everyday they don't know who murdered their daughter further victimizes them
Two things stand out: (1) he got a 20 dollar fine for the attempted murder of a police officer? Wow. (2) I love they way you describe his incident exposure as a ' wardrobe malfunction'. LOL!!
Go figure right.I o ce worked with someobe who shot through a bathroom door at a police officer ....I. Nauseous .I'm.LD not w way too old for peoples bullshit.
That comment about that disgusting 🤬 that Dr. Grande made about what would happen if he had started to clean the house...that cracked me up. I never heard of this case so I'm going to have to research it. Thanks for sharing.
In Australia anyone who provides 'counselling' services, whether trained or registered or not, are bound by a code of ethics to protect the potential clients. In my uni beginner counselling course we are taught to be clear that whilst steps are taken to protect confidentiality, it cannot be guaranteed due to legal obligations on the practitioners part. So whilst the information is private it is not necessarily privileged.
The offender had a very shaky grasp of social awareness. He also thought Christianity meant you could commit the most horrendous sins, have these sins absolved and the slate wiped clean. All round a somewhat dangerous dogma in the hands of the offender who actually used various churches as a veneer of respectability and a place to hide.
So in other words a non-degree psycho therapist can protect the general public and report the crime, but one with a degree could have not reported that crime because of confidentiality rules. Thank you Margret for never getting a formal degree.
Not at all - if it’s a serious crime we are required to report . As part of the initial consent process I usually discuss the limits to confidentiality.
@@anniegirl7152Not to forget that her client in practical terms confessed to her. Had he not, and claimed he was innocent, then we have the problem of whether she should relay her fears or intuition or hinky feelings to police. I’d say no, this would be a breach of confidentiality but the offender as good as confessed to her. That changes the equation.
Another case from Australia that you should analyse, is the ambush murders of two police officers and a civilian in Queensland just a week ago. Very fresh but worth an analysis, even this early
The Tarasoff Murder Case- Duty to Warn vs. Duty to Protect is one of my favorite videos from Dr. Grande. It’s a fascinating case and I have watched it a couple of times. I will add the link in this post if anyone is interested: ua-cam.com/video/crtpAozyWu4/v-deo.html Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande. Interesting and thought provoking as always.❤
As a psychiatric caseworker doing acute evaluations in an emergency department in the 1980s, I did a number of Tarasoff notifications. People usually weren't surprised, but a couple were shocked and terrified.
Aside from not being licensed, Margaret did the right thing as she's not the clergy! I also feel that Margaret's life was in potential danger. Confidentiality can also be breached based on legalities too. I know someone who told his therapist that his wife was only seeking marriage counseling to use it against him in a court of law. He claimed that she was not genuinely seeking to save the marriage. The therapist told him he was wrong, that her motives were intrinsically pure. A year or so later she had the therapists records subpoenaed and turned over to her divorce attorney. The marriage counselor finally told her husband, "You were right." It's disgusting what happened to the little girl, so very sad. Robert was a terrible person.
For those watching that may be younger wondering what kind of mother would send their 6yr old to get them cigarettes, it wasn't uncommon years ago. Although I wasn't 6, but by 9yrs old, my mom would send me to the gas station to get her cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes back then were $1 here in the United States, at least in my state.
Still in place in the 1980s and much of the 1990s in Sweden. An age limit on cigarette purchases was implemented in 1997. This had been a common errand for minors until then, nothing odd about it.
I wouldn't have thought it could be common in a first world country in the early 90's. Kind of shocking. I remember back in the early 90's in my third world country, when I was in 7th grade and we started to get interested in smoking, even though there wasn't any specific law yet, no one would sell us cigarettes. Some of my classmates would steal one from their mums. When I was 14 in high school I was able to buy my own cigarettes but not in school uniform. I think the law of not selling to minors was implemented in the early 2000's but no one would have sold cigarettes to a 6 year old. May she rest in peace.
The Summer of 1974 when I was 8 years old was the first time my Father said I was big enough to ride the 4 blocks to Big Jack's Convenience store to buy him a pack of cigarettes. He gave me $2.00 and reminded me to walk my bike across the crosswalk and then he waited at the end of the driveway for me to return. I was SO PROUD to be able to do that for my Daddy. A few years later I was begging him to quit smoking and hiding his cigarettes because in school we were being taught how bad for our health they were.
I remember this sad case - I lived in Melbourne at the time. (By the way, Dr. Grande, congratulations on pronouncing ‘Melbourne’ the correct ‘Melb’n’ way!) I think Margaret did the right thing in ‘dobbing in’ (an Aussie expression) this poor excuse for a human. It’s interesting, however, that the police allowed her to ‘breach confidentiality’ even though she was technically doing the wrong thing.
The whole pronunciation thing of different cities being almost nothing like it's spelled always intrigues me. I live in the states and locally to where I am, we have Peabody (pronounced Peabiddy lol,) Leominster ("Lemminster",) and Worcester ("Wooster".)
Heyyyy Dr. Grande🥰 It's so great to see you! As I've Mentioned, I had my 8th kiddo not very long ago, so I don't get to choose when I'm able to take a bit of time for myself, long enuf to watch even just a 10minute video🤦♀️ So I'm very thankful for the bit of time I can occasionally snag🙂 Thank you for the new video! As always, your videos are extremely entertaining, full of knowledge & just like in every video, hearing your opinions, along with your analysis, are the very best parts of every single video! THANKS AGAIN!! YOU'RE THE BEST!! MUCH LOVE☺️🤗🥰
What a tragic situation. This man is evil and a pathological liar. It's so sad he was marking the little girl. My sympathy goes too the family and loved ones. I always thought if a person was allowed to harm himself and other people . Thank you Dr Grande, tragic outcome and informative topic.
05:08 the vacuuming comment/delivery is Dr G at his most brilliant - I wish he was my very own, personal therapist, managing to lighten up the most heinous incidents with such deadpan deliveries. Insight AND humour… whadda guy!! ❤❤
That's really good! It made me realise exactly why entrapment scenarios are contested vis a vis Daniel Morecombe. A confession could be fill the spaces routine. They happen to be there and piece it together later. It happens. You have to have a material fact to support the statements of the accused . Confessions from criminals are unreliable vis a vis 'he went that-a way'.
I feel like I’m being visited from the Dr. Grande of Christmas past (brick wall) & I’m all for any speculations that could be happening in a situation like this! 🌵I was wondering if you could cover the tragic loss of Stephen ‘tWitch’ Boss ? We all appreciate all your hard work !😊
There have been so many headlines involving murderers in Australia getting no more than fifteen years for their crime(s), no matter how heinous, and regardless of how many people they have harmed, that I perhaps was unaware that life sentences there were actually issued and carried out. My heart has broken for many families there who haven't received justice due to their generally lax attitude toward criminals there, especially of late. Their justice system has always carried a certain edge with it, since the whole continent itself started out as a destination to penalize criminals. The case you covered had many ethical issues surrounding it, and the case might have been thrown out entirely, if the crime had occurred in the US. Margaret wasn't even the worst of it, because the authorities bugged her office and car without prior knowledge and permission. All of that evidence could well have been unusable in court. This also brings to mind a viral video of a highly animated and unintentionally hilarious Australian man who was falsely arrested while cameras set up by police and media were rolling. Their sting at the restaurant led them to catch the wrong guy, despite the fact the real culprit was almost certainly in the restaurant, too. That level of blundering was spectacular, only overshadowed by the performative brilliance of the man was who they arrested. I highly recommend watching the video. There are many versions on UA-cam, and even artistic renditions of the incident by the arrested man himself. He's a card.
Thank you Dr Grande for this nuanced discussion of this case especially for the ethical and legal questions you address. I like your analysis; it is solid if twisty. I mean you seem to turn around the issue that legal requirements in general trump personal or professional ethical guidelines. My point is that when laws are passed as you of course seem to agree then these laws supersede the question of bare ethics. Are there legal guidelines in the US or merely a case law example? Your discussion as usual highlights important public policy issues in your field; thank you for your contribution.
Hello Dr Grande.....you are awesome 😎. I just thought you might like to hear that. Gee he was a nice guy. She was lucky she made it out alive only to get killed in an accident. Thank you my friend ❤️
I look forward to Dr. Grande's new posts. I find it disturbing that a person can say they're a therapist and "treat" patients. This is unfair to the patient. What is the chance of an fake therapist "treating" patients in the USA? Should a patient ask for a license or credentials?
A Canadian news show on CBC did a report on the number of fake Masters-level psychotherapists working/treating patients in Canada. The number was staggering. They traced back 4-5 phony online businesses that sold framed Masters degrees, for people to practice in Canada. Very scary numbers.
That's one of the things you can look for, I know you can search somebody's RN license on the government website directly. I'm betting it similar for therapists.
It is my belief that in the U.S., anyone can be a therapist & does not have to be licensed. Asking someone for advice is done by many people, & therapy such as Talk Therapy, is just that.
I would argue that his behaviour escalating and the nature of his crime both indicated there likely would have been future victims. My ethic concerns about confidentiality would also quickly leave the building when it came to the safety of children from a potential serial killer. Ethics need to be considered on a case to case basis in my opinion, not cemented into rigid walls.
A. Who sells cigarettes to a 6-yr-old? B. What kind of parent sends a 6-yr-old, by herself, to the store to buy cigarettes? C. What's with the fines? It took escalation to the murder of a child to finally decide to incarcerate this POS?
I believe under most Australian Law. With murder and child protection. A therapist is a mandatory reporter. Furthermore under federation law I believe that there is no statute of limitations involving child protection & murder. There are exemptions regarding if charges are followed through.
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 yeah it is a bit scary actually. An unregulated psych professional is like providing a service without recall. Damage can be done.
Margaret was good at her work and courts accepted her mitigation statements on behalf of her clients. It’s not a job for everyone but someone has to do it, just as we have defence lawyers, someone has to do it.
Trying running over a cop - getting a fine. Trying to stab someone - getting a fine. And so on. Later - murdering someone. Who could have foreseen that...
A therapist, psychologist or psychiatrist must inform authority if there is possibilities of child abuse or elder abuse. If there is any probable cause for any of that they must become mandated reporters.
There’s something wrong with the provision that there has to be a specific person that the patient is a threat to. Surely a patient who says “I think tonight I’m going to go to a bar, pick up a girl, and strangle her, “Ought to be enough reason to go to the police, especially if there is a serial killer who has been picking up the girls from bars and strangling them. The fact that it’s not specifically Susan Johnson that he’s threatening but just some random girl at a bar shouldn’t make any difference.
Robert knew Donald Friend, the high ranking Canberra diplomat. Mister Noyce loves this story. You should ask him for an interview. He's a director and friend of director Peter Weir. They're a bit old but they might talk to you about what they knew about Robert(?)
No what she did was put many people in the future in much much much more danger. Think about it. If these murderers have no outlet, no help. It will keep going. I think you underestimate how much seeing a shrink can save a person from killing many more. This is a very slippery slope. She should have been sent to prison for a few years.
Not sure what it is like in the USA, but in Australia there is a duty to report any child at risk as well. That could be as simple as my client telling me their neighbour beats their own children. While no identified victim in the case you discussed, I would argue, given his escalating and increasingly impulsive behaviour, that he represented a very clear threat to other children in the area. I would tell the police. I do work in mental health in Australia and would rather be found to have breached confidentiality and face professional sanction than find out later that my inaction had resulted in the death of another child.
I very much disagree with Dr Grande to the point that I think he’s immoral. If a therapist knows someone’s a murder, sex offender, etc. it’s their moral obligation to see that they’re in prison in my opinion.
I had a patient confess to stealing cars once, he was on his death bed from stage 4 colon cancer, and I asked him if it was his final confession. This woman was fearless.
@DrGrande be interested to get your take on the recent police shooting in Queensland. A very horrific crime and warning that extremism can happen in the most unlikely of places.
Something Dr. Grande said about the therapist having a hard time because she spent so much time with someone who committed such a heinous crime makes me think og Iris Chang, the author of The Rape of Nanking, who supposedly committed suicide. If it was suicide, the suspicion is that she couldn't extricate herself from her subject matter, a burden too much for her to bear.
“If he had also vacuumed, he might not have made it out alive” 😂
That one got me! 😅
Wasn’t that classic? 🤣🤣🤣
Also my favorite line of this episode. I love dr grandes humor
😂😂😂 The Best. Always suspect when extra "chores" are suddenly being done! ❤
Well excuse me!!! IM SHEREES MOTHER N WHO ARE YOU NUTS GETTING OFF ON READING N TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU ALL SEEM TO NO NOTHING ABOUT OR HAVE JUST READ TO MUCH,,SHAME JOB
it’s great how his wife kicked him out on his suspicious behavior, she trusted her gut and was right
Did she report her suspicions to the police though?
@@alb5801 no, she didn't, which is super messed up. She clearly only had herself in mind. Absolutely disgusting. Wish she could have been charged as an accessory after the fact
@@tb-dv1zc Have you ever dealt with a real monster in real life? I bet not. When you report things it makes it really bad for you because the police don’t give af. So now you are in danger more and the person is still free. Plus what was she going to tell them that would allow them to do anything? I reported that my ex husband left a loaded automatic rifle out on the bed where my five year old found it but thankfully his 16 year old sister saw and called me and put it away before he could hurt himself. The police laughed at me and said there was nothing he could do, he is a felon btw, many times over. He ended up beating the hell out of our daughter for “betraying him” by telling me and the cops were called before he did it because he was going into a rage with her. The police arrived somehow came to the conclusion that he is a “good dad” and told him he could hit her. As soon as they left that’s when he beat her. When they arrived they never checked her for bruising, told me I could only take her not my five year old and the only reason they got taken away is because we reported it to the school police the next day. They then took photos of all the bruising, swollen eye, notated the lump on her head from him punching her and his hand marks around her throat from choking her.
It’s been a year and they gave him back 50/50 custody of my youngest son just yesterday because he took a few classes 😂 his criminal case will be on a deferred program so after two years of probation no jail time, it will be deleted from him record. I said all that to say STFU if you have no idea what you are talking about!
@@tb-dv1zc what did you want her to say? “My husband did laundry, arrest him immediately? Even with his rap sheet, there’s absolutely nothing that could’ve or would’ve been done, based on him doing laundry. The police were already suspicious that he was the perpetrator, but they needed actual evidence.
@@isitoveryet9525 She could have told the police her suspicions and let the police handle it, like question him.
Legal issues and professional ethics aside, I think I would be motivated by my own moral code in that situation. I think I'd be willing to be sued and lose credentials if it meant taking a murderer off the streets.
Totally agree. I know what I can live with and what I can’t. I could not live with allowing a child killer walk around in society
Then don't become a psychotherapist. That would be irresponsible.
Not that I don't understand the dilemma. But it could be avoided.
Psycho Therapists are mandatory to report any suspicion of child or elder abuse. They tell you this before you start talking which is kind of stupid cause then they are pretty much telling their client don’t admit anything and keep your guard up around me. They should just report without warning.
I thought if it's information regarding hurting someone else or yourself, therapists are allowed to tell police.
@@missbraindamage If someone is at risk then yes, but if someone is already dead then they aren't at risk, so no.
This was a truly horrific crime. Poor little girl.
she was asking for it
@@mrplinkett4429 deadass b
@@rumchata6569 don't call her a b*tch. how rude.
@@mrplinkett4429 Children don't "ask for it" - the murderer is the only one at fault here. You are seriously mentally off if you think children ask to be tortured and murdered. Do we wonder if you are one of those sick and twisted individuals who stalk children?
@@GlennaVan are you sure? maybe she had extra cute kids cloths on.
Dr Grande is burning the midnight oil in the lead up to Christmas. We're grateful for the content but don't forget to have a day off!
Dr. Grande is a self-proclaimed work-a-holic.
Mind your business
This is a Patreon video notice the background that's the old place
I don’t think he’s ever mentioned if he celebrates Christmas
@@dollinterrupted25th December is still Christmas though lol .
I remember this case from when I lived in Australia in the 90s .... That poor little kid and her heart-broken parents.
Thank you for stressing the significance of escalating behaviour as a pattern of serious offending develops - too often flashing or indecent exposure is trivialised or giggled at instead of recognised as the beginning of sexual violence. Terrifying how many offenders started off as "harmless" flashers or "snowdroppers" stealing underwear from neighbours' clotheslines as teenagers and escalated to physical acts of violence. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for pointing that out. When I moved to the UK, I tried to live in houseshares to cut down on housing costs. I was in my 30s so thought I would be safe. I had several live in landlords and 'housemates' (other tenants, in multiple occupancy houses) who were walking around naked or in their underwear, walking (sometimes naked) in the bathroom while I was taking a shower (you couldn't lock the door, supposedly because of the risk that you could lock yourself to do drugs... same thing with the bedrooms), walked into my bedroom while I was sleeping and climbed into my bed, or, if I wasn't sleeping yet, wanted to give me a cuddle... and were fascinated with my underwear, whether clean or dirty. The untoward behaviours escalated over a period of weeks, and the longest I stayed in such houseshares was a couple of months. Of course I lost my deposit in most cases, and I had a lot of difficulty finding new digs as I needed a reference from my landlords for the new landlords, or letting agents... I encountered similar behaviour from a female landlady and from female letting agents too, including offering to check my breasts for cancer, making jokes about sex toys (since I am single) and asking me about my 'personal hygiene', i.e. about how I washed my genitals...
@@yehmen29 WTF
Her "poor, poor heartbroken parents" were irresponsible morons. The girl was never supervised and they sent a 6 year old alone on her bike to get cigarettes for them. That's completely idiotic. Yeah, even in the 90s. I almost had something similar happen to me when I was 5, I was completely unsupervised in the afternoon and a neighbor (someone I knew vaguely) wanted to rape me. Yes. I smelled his bullshit though and ran away quickly from his appartment, after refusing to undress. He "only" rubbed himself against me.. So, NO, whenever something like this happens, there are people not fit for parenting in the picture..
A friend told me that her husband who's a contractor in the Palm Springs area witnessed a teenage boy steal some oversized generic looking white underpants from a very unattractive senior lady who had hung them out to dry. He was surprised that the teen would want them. I took it as a teenage prank and everyone got a laugh out of it. It never occurred to me at the time that it could be a prerequisite for future crime.
@@yehmen29 I hear you. They live amongst us.
01:33 “Wardrobe malfunctions” Marvellous!! 😊😅😂
What does that means? I'm sorry, I'm not an English speaker. I've been trying to understand what the hell he did and can't figure it out. Thank you in advance.
“I’ve never been there!” “Where?”
“I don’t know, but I’ve never been there.”
I’m a Clinical Psychologist in Australia. Anyone can call themself a therapist here (not something I personally agree with this. The general public don’t necessarily know the differences between different “professional” titles). In terms of ethics, professionally registration mental health therapist guidelines generally recommend we should report to the police a past crime that is serious, or a future crime. the guidelines are vague, but myself and a lot of colleagues go by the “would they be likely to get 10 years in jail for the crime” as a way to decide what’s a “serious” crime. Which would be a pretty serious one, given our jail sentences are incredibly light). All this is to say that reporting a patient’s serious crime to the police is not a breach of confidentiality. You’re right in saying we can’t really report without knowing the victim, but only because the police can’t really take any action. However, if we are concerned someone is homicidal, even if we don’t know the victim or the patient speaks generally about homicidal intent, then we should report. Despite Margaret not being bound by any ethical obligations (given she was not a registered professional), anyone who works in the mental health field should have an understanding of ethics.
I posted this before - I'm extremely glad he got caught, but in general, faking doctor/patient confidentiality and/or faking being a therapist in the first place is ethically really fucked up. I wouldn't support this for ANY crime except for rape, murder, abuse, and crimes against children.
It’s the same here U.K. I think that extends to “psychologist” too.
Only forensic psychologist is a protected title.
@@hpswagcrafti bet you wouldn’t feel this way if it was a member if your own family killed or saved from being a potential victim. Some things in life are way more important than patient/client confidentiality. And some people don’t deserve the privilege.
For a "clinical therapist" you have terrible grammar. I'm calling bullshit
I'm Australian and a BSW with an undergraduate in Masters of Counselling. I didn't' bother completing. I also do advocacy and work in the MH space and I'm going to point out to you that the comments you make about reporting crime are your legal obligations and that they do create ethical conflict for people because.. (and I'd expect you to know this as a psychologist) the profession believes that people can recover, and the recovery is based on the therapeutic relationship of trust. IF a potential client learns that a therapist will breach confidentiality and inform police (or MH services to have them sectioned) they will NOT disclose, and that means that there is no way to intervene and create behaviour change. so you saying 'its not a breach of confidentiality" is correct in that by law its not (especially since the Privacy Act of 1988 was changed so that people such as yourself can be compelled to release information about a persons mental health to banks and so forth).. it is still a breach of confidentiality, and a breach of trust . it is an ethical dilemma. Having said that in our country even priests are now legislated to inform police about crime or risk being charged as accomplices after the fact.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing Dr. Grande. I'm just speculating about what may be happening in a case like this. Apparently this video was uploaded around 4AM Eastern Time (US), and Dr. Grande has seen at least some of the comments from the early viewers. Dr. Grande may have insomnia.
Ha ha. I'm diagnosing him as a pyscopath.
We appreciate Dr Grande for giving us accurate and precise information. Happy Holidays to everyone.
I agree 💯
Happy holidays to you as well !
Merry Christmas to you and yo m0mma
I praise Margaret for what she did… She put her own life in danger, just being in this monsters presence💯
RIP Dear child💖🌟💖
Your the best at covering these cases. You dont even have to show off your excessive make up, figure or speak like an image conscience teenager. 😄 no shrill voice or empty talk. THANK YOU!!!
I’m local to that area, worked in Red Hill for several years and I’d barely heard of this case! Thanks for covering it, Dr Grande!
So sad that folks saw this little girl in distress but couldn’t help. I understand kids have meltdowns even with their own parents so I’m not saying they were wrong. I just am so sad this little girl did not survive. 💔
If a person confesses to murdering someone, call the police.
May the soul of that poor little girl rest in peace 🙏
What if the murderer is your beloved little sister? Would you still call the police???
@@robinly Yup.
@@robinly Yes, killers tend to murder those close to them. If someone in my family is a killer then I’m reporting them, it’s just self preservation 🤷♂️
@@robinly Yeah because if you truly care about her you don't want her to be a dysregulated force of evil in the world, harming others, killing someone like how someone could potentionally kill her, or you. It's not the best FOR HER that you keep quiet.
I have two older brothers but if I had a little sister and she confessed to a murder I would probably try to keep my cool and first think and research a ton about it. My objective would be how to get her the rightful punishment but also ger her help while she's in prison. Maybe I would strike a deal with the police that I want to report a confession to murder but before that I want to assure, in written form, that I am allowed to meet with the prisoner every day and that meetings with a psychiatrist and psychologist and maybe a spiritual leader are allowed and organized. Is that fair for someone who commited murder? I don't know, but I know I love my little sister and want the best for her. So I will try my best to make those things a reality for her. But not not going to prison. Not not receiving punishment. In some cases we need punishment - timely and severe. Or it can be so much worse. I believe in God, in Jesus Christ and the life after this life. Better have our punishment on earth and not after earth if it will help sincere repentance.
I hate these, hurting children. Horrible. Thanks doc for the interesting case analysis.
I could argue that the parents of the kidnapped child are ongoing victims, and that everyday they don't know who murdered their daughter further victimizes them
This terrible crime is local to me. I wanted to thank you for your well thought out and respectful treatment of it and your always thoughtful videos.
This happened in my neck of the woods. Just awful. I wish we still had the DP here.
Two things stand out: (1) he got a 20 dollar fine for the attempted murder of a police officer? Wow. (2) I love they way you describe his incident exposure as a ' wardrobe malfunction'. LOL!!
Go figure right.I o ce worked with someobe who shot through a bathroom door at a police officer ....I. Nauseous .I'm.LD not w way too old for peoples bullshit.
21 pounds back in 1956 is equivalent to about 500 US dollars now.
@valeska which is pretty cheap considering you’ve just attempted murder (of a government official in the line of duty, no less).
Happy late night Dr. Grande & everyone! 😄😄
That comment about that disgusting 🤬 that Dr. Grande made about what would happen if he had started to clean the house...that cracked me up. I never heard of this case so I'm going to have to research it. Thanks for sharing.
Me too!
In Australia anyone who provides 'counselling' services, whether trained or registered or not, are bound by a code of ethics to protect the potential clients. In my uni beginner counselling course we are taught to be clear that whilst steps are taken to protect confidentiality, it cannot be guaranteed due to legal obligations on the practitioners part. So whilst the information is private it is not necessarily privileged.
Especially if involving child protection. As a counsellor your a mandatory reporter.
Why did he think his wife would get back together with him if he confessed? That would just confirm the reason she left him in the first place.
“Maybe if I’m honest with her about murdering someone, she’ll think I’m trustworthy… 🥴🥴” 😩😂😂😂
The offender had a very shaky grasp of social awareness. He also thought Christianity meant you could commit the most horrendous sins, have these sins absolved and the slate wiped clean. All round a somewhat dangerous dogma in the hands of the offender who actually used various churches as a veneer of respectability and a place to hide.
@@penguinvic9892all Christian’s believe this
So in other words a non-degree psycho therapist can protect the general public and report the crime, but one with a degree could have not reported that crime because of confidentiality rules.
Thank you Margret for never getting a formal degree.
Not at all - if it’s a serious crime we are required to report . As part of the initial consent process I usually discuss the limits to confidentiality.
@@anniegirl7152Not to forget that her client in practical terms confessed to her. Had he not, and claimed he was innocent, then we have the problem of whether she should relay her fears or intuition or hinky feelings to police. I’d say no, this would be a breach of confidentiality but the offender as good as confessed to her. That changes the equation.
Sad story...... Merry Christmas Dr. GRANDE, to you and your family. ❄❄❄❄❄☃️☃️☃️☃️☃️⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄👍🏻❤
Another case from Australia that you should analyse, is the ambush murders of two police officers and a civilian in Queensland just a week ago. Very fresh but worth an analysis, even this early
That is chilling!
It's way too soon hold off for a year or so...
@@Thisoddity with everything going on this comment is unfair. With the totality of circumstances in mind. Readers please fact check the above....
@@BBWahoo it was chilling. But before this is examined we need to wait. Please fact check this case. In the meantime peace out..
The Tarasoff Murder Case- Duty to Warn vs. Duty to Protect is one of my favorite videos from Dr. Grande. It’s a fascinating case and I have watched it a couple of times. I will add the link in this post if anyone is interested:
ua-cam.com/video/crtpAozyWu4/v-deo.html
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande. Interesting and thought provoking as always.❤
Thank you for that Rejane. Have an awesome wknd😊💟🌷🍺🌏⭐
@@zenawarrior7442 Same to you, dear Zena. I hope you and mom have a wonderful and peaceful holidays.✨💕💕💕✨
@@rejaneoliveira5019 Thank you friend. I hope so too...wishes for peace back your way🕊⭐💙🎄✨🎁😊
As a psychiatric caseworker doing acute evaluations in an emergency department in the 1980s, I did a number of Tarasoff notifications.
People usually weren't surprised, but a couple were shocked and terrified.
@@jturtle5318 Wow, that must be such a difficult job! Thank you for your work and thanks for sharing:)
Aside from not being licensed, Margaret did the right thing as she's not the clergy! I also feel that Margaret's life was in potential danger. Confidentiality can also be breached based on legalities too. I know someone who told his therapist that his wife was only seeking marriage counseling to use it against him in a court of law. He claimed that she was not genuinely seeking to save the marriage. The therapist told him he was wrong, that her motives were intrinsically pure. A year or so later she had the therapists records subpoenaed and turned over to her divorce attorney. The marriage counselor finally told her husband, "You were right." It's disgusting what happened to the little girl, so very sad. Robert was a terrible person.
For those watching that may be younger wondering what kind of mother would send their 6yr old to get them cigarettes, it wasn't uncommon years ago. Although I wasn't 6, but by 9yrs old, my mom would send me to the gas station to get her cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes back then were $1 here in the United States, at least in my state.
All the kids in our neighborhood were sent to the corner store for our parents’ cigarettes. This was in the late 50’s and early 60’s.
@@martyal it was the early 80s for me
Still in place in the 1980s and much of the 1990s in Sweden. An age limit on cigarette purchases was implemented in 1997. This had been a common errand for minors until then, nothing odd about it.
I wouldn't have thought it could be common in a first world country in the early 90's. Kind of shocking. I remember back in the early 90's in my third world country, when I was in 7th grade and we started to get interested in smoking, even though there wasn't any specific law yet, no one would sell us cigarettes. Some of my classmates would steal one from their mums. When I was 14 in high school I was able to buy my own cigarettes but not in school uniform. I think the law of not selling to minors was implemented in the early 2000's but no one would have sold cigarettes to a 6 year old. May she rest in peace.
The Summer of 1974 when I was 8 years old was the first time my Father said I was big enough to ride the 4 blocks to Big Jack's Convenience store to buy him a pack of cigarettes. He gave me $2.00 and reminded me to walk my bike across the crosswalk and then he waited at the end of the driveway for me to return. I was SO PROUD to be able to do that for my Daddy.
A few years later I was begging him to quit smoking and hiding his cigarettes because in school we were being taught how bad for our health they were.
Omgoodness this case. I grew up in Melbourne. This was huge news! Memories 😑
Absolutely heartbreaking and really hard to listen to this.
That poor little girl! 😥 Don't understand why someone would do this.
I remember this sad case - I lived in Melbourne at the time. (By the way, Dr. Grande, congratulations on pronouncing ‘Melbourne’ the correct ‘Melb’n’ way!)
I think Margaret did the right thing in ‘dobbing in’ (an Aussie expression) this poor excuse for a human. It’s interesting, however, that the police allowed her to ‘breach confidentiality’ even though she was technically doing the wrong thing.
The whole pronunciation thing of different cities being almost nothing like it's spelled always intrigues me. I live in the states and locally to where I am, we have Peabody (pronounced Peabiddy lol,) Leominster ("Lemminster",) and Worcester ("Wooster".)
I thought the same thing! I’m from QLD 😄
@@watermelonwishes4193 I’m from the area, too, and the one that gets me is “Bill-ricka” lol
I came here to compliment the pronunciation too. :) It was refreshing to hear :D
He gets a point for that, but I do remember him pronouncing Canberra as “Can-BERRA”, not “CAN-borough”… so currently it’s a draw haha 😊
Awful crime but your analysis is first class as always Dr Grande 👏🇬🇧
Here in Ireland Therapists are required to report historical abuse once a perpetrator is named.
Same in America, I thought.
Heyyyy Dr. Grande🥰 It's so great to see you! As I've Mentioned, I had my 8th kiddo not very long ago, so I don't get to choose when I'm able to take a bit of time for myself, long enuf to watch even just a 10minute video🤦♀️ So I'm very thankful for the bit of time I can occasionally snag🙂 Thank you for the new video! As always, your videos are extremely entertaining, full of knowledge & just like in every video, hearing your opinions, along with your analysis, are the very best parts of every single video! THANKS AGAIN!! YOU'RE THE BEST!! MUCH LOVE☺️🤗🥰
I think its stupid to think she had to keep to keep the knowledge of murder a secret...
Wow! Your assessment blew me away. Damn, you’re good! Appreciate you.
UA-cam video comments section is my new hangout spot. I don't go out with friends anymore, I just come here and talk to my new friends
Screw ethics. When it comes to rape or murder confidentiality goes out the window. The public safety needs to be priority one.
What a tragic situation. This man is evil and a pathological liar. It's so sad he was marking the little girl. My sympathy goes too the family and loved ones. I always thought if a person was allowed to harm himself and other people . Thank you Dr Grande, tragic outcome and informative topic.
Thank you as always Dr. Grande! I hope you and your family have a great weekend!
05:08 the vacuuming comment/delivery is Dr G at his most brilliant - I wish he was my very own, personal therapist, managing to lighten up the most heinous incidents with such deadpan deliveries. Insight AND humour… whadda guy!! ❤❤
*Dr Todd Grande appreciate your videos 🌟 Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Todd*
another certified classic video from the doc
Thanks again, Dr. Grande!
Good morning Dr. Grande.
There he is. Good morning Dr Grand.
Thank you doc 🙂
That's really good! It made me realise exactly why entrapment scenarios are contested vis a vis Daniel Morecombe.
A confession could be fill the spaces routine. They happen to be there and piece it together later. It happens.
You have to have a material fact to support the statements of the accused . Confessions from criminals are unreliable vis a vis 'he went that-a way'.
we’re just a gift that keeps on giving here in 🇦🇺
unfathomably horrific story.!
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thank you for sharing..
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God knows that the therapist did a righteous thing by turning that evil monster in. Also, if she hadn't, she might have been murdered by him.
Great episode.
Hello 👋 good Dr. Grande
Let's speculate what could be happening
Interesting analysis!
such an amazing video in every aspect! funny, informative, concise but thoroughly ... really enjoyable! ty
I feel like I’m being visited from the Dr. Grande of Christmas past (brick wall) & I’m all for any speculations that could be happening in a situation like this! 🌵I was wondering if you could cover the tragic loss of Stephen ‘tWitch’ Boss ? We all appreciate all your hard work !😊
There have been so many headlines involving murderers in Australia getting no more than fifteen years for their crime(s), no matter how heinous, and regardless of how many people they have harmed, that I perhaps was unaware that life sentences there were actually issued and carried out. My heart has broken for many families there who haven't received justice due to their generally lax attitude toward criminals there, especially of late. Their justice system has always carried a certain edge with it, since the whole continent itself started out as a destination to penalize criminals. The case you covered had many ethical issues surrounding it, and the case might have been thrown out entirely, if the crime had occurred in the US. Margaret wasn't even the worst of it, because the authorities bugged her office and car without prior knowledge and permission. All of that evidence could well have been unusable in court. This also brings to mind a viral video of a highly animated and unintentionally hilarious Australian man who was falsely arrested while cameras set up by police and media were rolling. Their sting at the restaurant led them to catch the wrong guy, despite the fact the real culprit was almost certainly in the restaurant, too. That level of blundering was spectacular, only overshadowed by the performative brilliance of the man was who they arrested. I highly recommend watching the video. There are many versions on UA-cam, and even artistic renditions of the incident by the arrested man himself. He's a card.
Thank you Dr Grande for this nuanced discussion of this case especially for the ethical and legal questions you address. I like your analysis; it is solid if twisty. I mean you seem to turn around the issue that legal requirements in general trump personal or professional ethical guidelines. My point is that when laws are passed as you of course seem to agree then these laws supersede the question of bare ethics. Are there legal guidelines in the US or merely a case law example? Your discussion as usual highlights important public policy issues in your field; thank you for your contribution.
Hello Dr Grande.....you are awesome 😎. I just thought you might like to hear that. Gee he was a nice guy. She was lucky she made it out alive only to get killed in an accident. Thank you my friend ❤️
Plus you don’t know for sure the child is actually dead maybe the child is still in danger. So she would have a duty to warn.
I look forward to Dr. Grande's new posts. I find it disturbing that a person can say they're a therapist and "treat" patients. This is unfair to the patient. What is the chance of an fake therapist "treating" patients in the USA? Should a patient ask for a license or credentials?
A Canadian news show on CBC did a report on the number of fake Masters-level psychotherapists working/treating patients in Canada. The number was staggering. They traced back 4-5 phony online businesses that sold framed Masters degrees, for people to practice in Canada. Very scary numbers.
That's one of the things you can look for, I know you can search somebody's RN license on the government website directly. I'm betting it similar for therapists.
It is my belief that in the U.S., anyone can be a therapist & does not have to be licensed. Asking someone for advice is done by many people, & therapy such as Talk Therapy, is just that.
@@PinballBob1 you are confusing therapist and counselor. Therapist is a regulated industry in North America.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 I did not know there was a difference between a therapist & a counselor. Thanks for pointing that out.
I would argue that his behaviour escalating and the nature of his crime both indicated there likely would have been future victims. My ethic concerns about confidentiality would also quickly leave the building when it came to the safety of children from a potential serial killer. Ethics need to be considered on a case to case basis in my opinion, not cemented into rigid walls.
Interesting case. Thank you.
I always groan appropriately at your one liners, but that vacuuming joke was top level.
I LOLed.
Dear Dr Grande
Can you please analyze thé case of Shanquella Robinson?
Thank you in advance
Dr. Grande, pleeaasseee do an analysis of Jon and Kate Gosselin made famous (or infamous) from their reality tv show Jon and Kate Plus 8.
A. Who sells cigarettes to a 6-yr-old?
B. What kind of parent sends a 6-yr-old, by herself, to the store to buy cigarettes?
C. What's with the fines? It took escalation to the murder of a child to finally decide to incarcerate this POS?
I believe under most Australian Law. With murder and child protection. A therapist is a mandatory reporter. Furthermore under federation law I believe that there is no statute of limitations involving child protection & murder. There are exemptions regarding if charges are followed through.
Thank you
Love you Dr!
Gotta work at Lowe's in 14 hours, anyhow what do you think of Ayn Rand's state of mind?
Great video 📹.
There are “professional ethics” and there’s morality.
Interesting video Dr. Grande, Ever thought about making a Psychological profile on "Suge Knight"?
Great day to everybody!
This was a good one! But then again, they always are.
Psychotherapy is not a government regulated profession in Australia, so there are no specific qualifications required to enter the role.
True a bit like life coaches.
Damn
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 yeah it is a bit scary actually. An unregulated psych professional is like providing a service without recall. Damage can be done.
Margaret was good at her work and courts accepted her mitigation statements on behalf of her clients. It’s not a job for everyone but someone has to do it, just as we have defence lawyers, someone has to do it.
I love your sense of humor
Had to laugh at "if he had vacuumed, he might not have made it out of there alive!"
Trying running over a cop - getting a fine.
Trying to stab someone - getting a fine.
And so on.
Later - murdering someone. Who could have foreseen that...
A therapist, psychologist or psychiatrist must inform authority if there is possibilities of child abuse or elder abuse. If there is any probable cause for any of that they must become mandated reporters.
NZ should have sent Robert back to Australia on a piece of driftwood. Shark bait. KiaOra from New Zealand Dr T.
Dr. Grande's lovely brick wall has re-appeared. Curious "twilight zone" observation! 🤔
There’s something wrong with the provision that there has to be a specific person that the patient is a threat to. Surely a patient who says “I think tonight I’m going to go to a bar, pick up a girl, and strangle her, “Ought to be enough reason to go to the police, especially if there is a serial killer who has been picking up the girls from bars and strangling them. The fact that it’s not specifically Susan Johnson that he’s threatening but just some random girl at a bar shouldn’t make any difference.
Robert knew Donald Friend, the high ranking Canberra diplomat. Mister Noyce loves this story. You should ask him for an interview. He's a director and friend of director Peter Weir. They're a bit old but they might talk to you about what they knew about Robert(?)
That therapist that turned him in was a hero. She could easily have saved a few lives, by doing that.
No what she did was put many people in the future in much much much more danger. Think about it. If these murderers have no outlet, no help. It will keep going. I think you underestimate how much seeing a shrink can save a person from killing many more. This is a very slippery slope. She should have been sent to prison for a few years.
Not sure what it is like in the USA, but in Australia there is a duty to report any child at risk as well. That could be as simple as my client telling me their neighbour beats their own children. While no identified victim in the case you discussed, I would argue, given his escalating and increasingly impulsive behaviour, that he represented a very clear threat to other children in the area. I would tell the police. I do work in mental health in Australia and would rather be found to have breached confidentiality and face professional sanction than find out later that my inaction had resulted in the death of another child.
Great analysis
Hi Dr. Grande, what is the BellaGrandeMedia podcast?
I very much disagree with Dr Grande to the point that I think he’s immoral. If a therapist knows someone’s a murder, sex offender, etc. it’s their moral obligation to see that they’re in prison in my opinion.
How the hell can she have been criticised for essentially doing the right thing.
Very said that she was killed in the collision.
Is it an ok thing to do that?
I had a patient confess to stealing cars once, he was on his death bed from stage 4 colon cancer, and I asked him if it was his final confession. This woman was fearless.
@DrGrande be interested to get your take on the recent police shooting in Queensland. A very horrific crime and warning that extremism can happen in the most unlikely of places.
It's always so sad when a crime isn't prevented. The person only goes to jail AFTER they've murdered someone. That poor little baby girl
Something Dr. Grande said about the therapist having a hard time because she spent so much time with someone who committed such a heinous crime makes me think og Iris Chang, the author of The Rape of Nanking, who supposedly committed suicide. If it was suicide, the suspicion is that she couldn't extricate herself from her subject matter, a burden too much for her to bear.
Thank you.!! 👍 👍 👍