Our First Project Came Back? 12v ’85 RAM Crew Cab Has Some Dually Issues
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- I built this truck for a customer 5 years ago and now this happened.
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Rich I got a 2001 ford f250 crewcab v10 4x4 and I just rebuilt my 4r100 transmission and it doesnt go past 2nd gear
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@debossgarage I am a17 year old that wants to be a diesel mechanic as a career. Where did you learn to do what you do? School, trade courses, in a shop I wanna make a real career out of this I love mechanics with a passion
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That body is awesome but it would look good painted and a nice interior
Good on yah Rich and crew
I remember watching this getting built way back when, you had only just sort of started your channel
It has been a pleasure and a honor to watch you and your helpers move along and grow fro strength to strength
Well done
I love holding onto old everything, but when part availability sets in, it's worth it to upgrade to more modern parts. That way you can just order whenever you want. Take the l dually rear out of a newer truck.
Finally the 1st gen dodge is back!!!🤘
Never a dull moment with old trucks. My lil trick for dealing with the lip on drum brakes is to gently hit it with an angle grinder. Only takes a few minutes and your back in business
Beautiful truck! Now I’ve gotta go back to the beginning and see it’s transformation
You can always do a disk brake conversion on those dana 70s
Needs it
Austin Doud I did it on my 14 bolt and it was worth the money
Links? Anything for a 93 F350?
@@DEBOSSGARAGE www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/D70DISC-F.html
lugnut4x4.com/product-category/rear/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrIf3BRD1ARIsAMuugNsmAbg7DABwGPFruqu3GbIqVC76IduPs9JUN7KMCgL3VYu6DL8xg20aAtHLEALw_wcB
I think either of these should work
What about the sterling 10.5 rear end like in my 2000 f350. Has rotors. Just picked up a extra one on a trade
Super cool to hear about the history of this truck and see it getting fixed up. I see this truck every time I visit my mother in-law 😂
He needs to use hub centric spacers I used some stahl speed ones on my dually and have no issues
i'm a srw K30 crew cab 1 ton guy but god I love the 80's style trucks... beautiful Dodge. hope you keep the wheels and stance the way they are
Hey Rich, a lot of companies sell disc conversion kits for those axles for under $400 US. I think that'd be the best thing you could do to that truck. Also one work around would be to sand blast the drums inside and out and mount an axle to it reversed around so you could put it in a lathe and then run the lathe slowly with a MIG gun in a holder and use the lathe to weld on a new surface (you'd have to use heavy nickel wire) and once a new surface was added you could then machine it back to spec. At that point though, it'd be much easier to just do a disc brake conversion and call it good... but it is a work around. I'm good at finding parts and I wasn't able to find a single set of new drums anywhere.
The fastmotions with the sound included remind me of jafromobile from back in the day. Not a bad thing.
Man this makes me appreciate my Sterling 10.25 alot. Might have pinion issues but I can change brakes without messing with bearings!
We have the ratcheting locknuts, that when installed properly won't pop out like that locking wedge either.
@@abpsd73 havnt had to do those yet but I probably will when I do the diff bearings.
Rich, I work for Carquest, the drums are still readily available from us. Not only that but, the store in Caledonia has them in stock
That thing may not ride like a Caddy, but you can haul butt-loads of cargo with it! I have a friend in Louisiana that purchased an '85 crew cab new, he still owns it (but it hasn't seen the road in a very long time). Not a 4-wheel drive dually, but I'm hoping that one day he'll get it running again, along with all the other vintage Mopars in his collection.
Thanks for your hard work sir!
For the used parts you can't find, repurpose other parts. In my 12V jeep J20 conversion moved auto gear select shifter to roof with cable shift, and cable shift twin stick for NV241DHD to pass side roof. Used 69 camaro shifter for the low profile and desired handle. And it's pretty rad. Off road it's natural to reach up for maneuvering back and forth/grab handle.
That truck is so cool! Still got pics of it on my old phone from seeing it around before I found your channel
Awesome!
Yo Rich, I love your videos I'm from the UK so we don't often see trucks or many people working on Cumnins. I myself am a Cummins apprentice and I love watching your videos to learn about the problems on our engines after years in the field, thanks for making the great videos
This truck was what got me watching your videos, love the channel!
My roommate has a single wheelbase 1 ton Dodge 4x4 with the 360 and the NP435 4speed trans. Love em old Dodges. Nice to see one that has the proper engine and cab configuration. 😀
Had someone come in with a second gen dually, complaint of noise maybe dieing transmission. Found the outside dually sheered all the out lugs on the spacer and the outside dually had been freewheeling on the road but didn't fly off.. hub was trashed. I got a first gen and on the dana 70 I realized that the stock front dana 60 spindle nut and jab nut are same size as the 70 so just ordered a set to replace that ridiculous tab, has been great for over 4 years now still tight.
My dad has a 79 f250 with the dana 60 and he replaced the brakes a few years ago and put new wheel bearings in but knowing old guys they dont like to read manuals and he ended up melting a bearing on the one side which actually locked the wheel from spinning while he was driving to a refinery here in Alberta. My dad never did maintenance on a dana 60 before he replaced the brakes and his logic was "oh if its snug it'll work". As I started to repair the axle i looked in this Haynes manual we had for the truck and found all the proper torque specs for both adjustment and the locking nuts and the axle flange torque itself which my dad didnt bother to copy. Feels pretty good when your 17 and do a better job then your dad at vehicle work.
Rode in my first and only Dodge with a diesel in 1991 I couldn't believe how loud it was made my 68 F-250 with a 390 and glass packs seem quite even with the windows down. Cured me of wanting a diesel pick up. it was even louder than my folks 80s cab over GMC had been
Guess you never drove a Tdi swapped rabbit pickup.
Drives Smooth as a car.
Not too loud with a turbo.
A little vibrate-y at idle, but silk going down the road.
What IS worth it, is the fact that I spend more on insurance each month than fuel ($42/month).
And can drive from one coast to the other for less than $200 (including food)
And has a “bed” in the back for naps.
If you ever get down on your luck. This is what you want.
Oh, and the engine had 299k when I bought the whole car for a swap for $500.
But seeing as you drive a 390 ford, you’ve probably spent more on fuel than I have on all my cars, fuel, insurance, and maintenance.
@@fastinradfordable thank you for your comment: please do not worry yourself on what I may or may not pay in fuel and insurance costs. If you had bothered to read you would have seen that my observation was from 1991, while your TDI diesel may be fuel thrifty can it carry an 8 foot cab over and pull a 26 foot travel trailer from Florida to New mexico in 60 hrs? If not you are comparing apples to oranges.
Miss the sound of a 390 my old man had one in a F350 dually you could max out the rpm with the T18 BW 4spd.
The Cummins is just loud. For all the more the 5.9 did I have stayed a loyal 3126 Caterpillar fan or big block Ford gasser.
Seen motor home with cap nuts on the inner wheel and the space over top. Never came loose
‘I built this truck for a customer 5 years ago and now this happened.’
Sooooo.... DEBOSS Garage supplies a 5 Year Warranty on it’s builds? WOW, now that is customer care..(Take note those ‘lesser’ car manufacturers, swapper outers, youtubers, creators...)
And they also have a kitten...
I agree but most importantly, nice name! If that's you're real name even cooler! RIP Mal!
I'd fix it just to take it for a ride again. Im sure he gets offers everytime he stops for fuel.
I’m here for the kitten. The car/truck/machinery/engine stuff is just a bonus 🤷🏻♂️
that is a cool truck. 12v, 4x4 ,manual transmission those 3 things right there had me ready to get one.
So my 93 w250 has the Dana 70 also with the 3 inch wide brakes. My local Napa got me the drums
I bought those drums for my truck at napa like 70 bucks
Nice video. You can find them drums but there a special size and can get expensive. You gotta look on all the big manufacturers websites.
And as for the drums, you can get them on rock auto, I know your feelings towards rock auto but I've had great luck with first gen parts from them
I can second that redid my front end of my 92 d250 using all rock auto 40.000 kilometres later everything is still tight 👍
Disc Brake swap for sure on a Dana 70! Super easy to do, and drops a significant amount of weight.
Rich you must have skipped the part in the manual where it says to use that wrench as a wrench and not a hammer 😜, awesome videos. Thanks for putting out great content especially during these less times.
Don't you know the first rule of any workshop? Everything is a hammer
@@TheHonestL1ar Except your hands! Don't be stupid, stupid. Hands are not hammers.
At least that's the line that was drilled into my head by my first, worst, alcoholic abusive journeyman.
@@TheHonestL1ar And every screwdriver is a pry-bar and/or punch (quickly sorts out the quality screw drivers from the junk)
Yup those studs and rim are as they use to say."wallered out good and proper like"...lol
Steel rims, you could cut the centers out and move them over so no spacer is required.Not done with truck rims but I have with tractor rims.
This reminds how long you’ve been putting out great content. Keep it up, you are de boss. Best automotive channel on the tube by far imho.
Bendix PDR0364 for the drum. In this day and age a disc conversion is the way to go. Depending on the money and needs you can convert first gen brakes over to the 11-18 stuff.
A quick search shows that those brake drums are generally available from auto parts stores in my area. I'm in the US though, so availability might be different in Canada.
I like how you said radiator normally when it’s a plug for a sponsor...
I did a rear disc conversion on my first gen. Works great.
Do you have a link for that kit? Would love to try that. Anything for a 93 F350?
@@DEBOSSGARAGE Check out lugnut4x4.com. Looks like they carry a weld on disc conversion kit (assuming the Dodges rear axle is a Dana 70).
@@DEBOSSGARAGE tsmmfg.com Colorado springs Colorado. Bolt on is what I used, and rotors/calipers are gm.
I watched that build series, great to see it again!
It needs a nice set of west coast mirrors and a set of K40 CBC antennas.👍👍😀
Not sure why there's an issue finding drums. raybestos and bendix both have active part numbers for dually drums. For shits and giggles I called my local napa, 230 bucks for one, wasn't in stock but it was available. This is in Canada. In regards to the tire sizes, why not go with a 255/85R16. Still get the same height but now a bit narrower.
Napa here in the states shows plenty of brake drums part number ND 4401417. 6.29 height 12x3 brake shoes in description.
Man I love those old dodge cummins truck an even the gas ones too I have 1990 dodge w250 3/4 4x4 5.9 gas an she awesome
You can get them here in the US, Napa or advance carrys them I've done a few older 1 tons.
Depending on the gear ratios available, something like an Isuzu NPR rear axle might be a better choice. You'd get a much more stout axle, with readily available parts in N. America. Odd bolt pattern means two spares though. The big studs don't come lose or break though and the axle is built for the weight.
That's a nice truck I got a 1979 Dodge club cab dually I got stored away that I want to get working on hopefully this year or next for sure it runs and drives with a 400 big block
I use wheel spacers on one of my cars. I had the wheel come loose from the hub. I used a medium strength loctite on the studs probably 5-6years ago and never had a problem again. Agreed, retorquing them is a good idea, the aluminium seems to crush a bit.
I can get those drums all day long down here in Louisiana I just had to get a set 2 days ago For my Uncle's 85 350 dually
Beautiful Old Dually
Nice to have forklift to move rear end is the spacer part of the problem ther nice tires you got a good channel
I believe you can buy Semi verients of those buckets. All i think you need to do is tell them you need a special order and i think they can make new ones if you give them one to use as a template.
Well done on the fix Rich 👍, will go back and check out the original episodes now, love the shouty Rich at the end lol 😂😂😂
Someday I'd love to bring my old (almsot dead) '93 crewcab dually to get a real towing engine transmission combo put in it. A 4wheel drive front end would be nice too. I even have the Suburban for the 4wheel drive front end swap. I just need to locate an engine and transmission from one of the salt states I guess.
One of my favorite builds. Why not swap in a 14 bolt like under your Silverado. Factory disc brakes and same bolt pattern.
This truck is awesome! Great video
Hey you look like someone I know
Wish I could find a truck like that to add to my crew cab dually collection !!
Yep cool I want one for our UK roads
Hahaha good luck fitting anywhere, on the road or in the city it'll be a bitch
Do Love The First Gen Look, pretty nice Build.
i have a ford dana 60 in my jeep and it had drum brakes i swapped it to disc brakes using gm front brakes easy swap
Dude love your channel! I used to hate canadians because every one of my ex asshole bosses were Canadian but you are the exception. lol, keep up the great content me and my 5 yr old son watch your channel constantly
So happy you install races like a normal person. Who has money or time for 1 to 18 kits of driver adapters and all that uptown noise?
Great repair @Deboss Garage
Still in great shape considering!
goto a 255-85r16 tire you can run them duels with no spacers, and the diameter is the same as a 285-75-16 .as for drums Dover brake in strasburg Ohio
Only use steel wheel spacers. They don’t require constant re torquing like soft aluminum spacers.
That W350 needs a 2nd gen 3500 rear axle. Favourite part about my W250, it came with a 2nd gen 2500 3.54 rear axle from a previous owner. Easier to access brakes, and they're 13 inch instead of 12 . Get the 2nd gen towing capacity increase.
Awesome vid didn’t know about the axle but upgrade that’s what I’m doing next
That patina is badass
I replaced the end of a bearing support on a rear differential that was damaged by the single locking nut that came loose . . The rear differential was cut off behind seal support and prepped to be welded . The replacement was prepped and welded in a jig that was bolted to the damaged rear differential and welded in the windows machined in the jig . 6010 root 7018 fill and cap . Did not have a tig unit to do the repair . My father machined the jig to hold the replacement on center of housing . So if some one has a damaged axle housing it can be repaired . I don't have any use for the single locking nut and piece of crap sheet metal lock
You can use a nut from a chevy or dodge aam axle with the key stock an retainer instead of those double nuts
W350 12x3 drums are available at my local supply house. Shows in stock 1 ea on hand and June 16th for another if ordered from warehouse. That's an oreillyauto store. I bought two last year for my 91 w350. Still can be had pretty easy as those old Dana 60 and 70 and 70u units were used heavily in fleet rigs for many years. If your parts man is telling you they can't get it, they may be blowing smoke, just saying. I will have the boys at the store put hands on it in the a.m. and check and shoot me a image to verify. Control arms for the 2wd trucks of this era became a problem a few years ago but since then a new supplier was found.
Another thing to consider is using a couple or four conical regular type lug nuts of the same thread pitch to drive the wheel into good alignment on the hub before using the reverse cone style lug nuts that go onto the wheel. This has been done on a couple of my first gens to great success in helping to control wheel shake. Also iirc those factory lugs should be at 425 ft lbs or so, and I realize that spacers are being used so that wouldnt apply, but kinda makes you think it those things can hold the load or not.
Now that I live in Georgia, I certainly don't miss needing a hammer to remove brake drums, (I'm originally from central Pennsylvania). In fact, I'd be perfectly happy if I never encountered another snowflake again.
Drums looks like they are available. I have current part numbers for several manufacturers for the 12"x3" shoe DRW.
Wagner BD60328
Centric 12367004WAGNER BD60328
Durago BD8892
I think these ones will work also, but check first. They are listed for 12"x3" brakes but does not say SRW or DRW.
Bendix PDR0264
Raybestos 1961R
I have been putting together a parts list for reviving my 93' Cummins chassis cab, so I have the list sitting in front of me. Its been sitting many years, so its getting all new brakes. Want to do a "will it start" on a 12v? lol
I was gonna say I got drums for mine not that long ago but yes covid is a pain in the ass. I got a 89 3/4 ton with a dually kit on it. No intercooler though so has 3 inch turbo for the life of me can’t find a new waffle hose from filter to turbo
A & A Auto Parts in Hamilton on Woodward Avenue can get all these parts
The lock nuts for the wheel bearings from a gm14 bolt design is way better and they are the same thread!
How about a set of LT255/85R16 instead?Just a touch taller and around an inch or so narrower.
Napa is the best place to find those drums at least here in NY state!
An aftermarket disc conversion would do wonders for parts availability
Napa carries those drums
In trucks that should have been but never were. I want a 96-99 Chevy 3500 Dually, Crew Cab Short Bed. Swap a Dana 60 up front, wheel/tire setup like the Dodge and either a hopped up 6.5 or a cummins swap with a 5/6spd behind it.
My local Napa has those drums in stock right now. Could be because Ed has an 89 D350 himself?
A Flex-A-Lite radiator would seriously aid in bringing my '70 Skylark project closer to running.
Part number for the brake drum at O’Reilly Auto Parts is 1961dgs
Rich, if that is a D70 then you can use a D60 double nut setup off a front axle.
Omg that is like the coolest of cool.
5 speed and 4x4. 1st gen jaysus. Hot damn
Try running 255/85s still esentually a 33x10 so no need for the spacers.
Icks nay on the spaces aye.
All the spaces I see are on the truck but the tires are rolling down the road by themselves.
If you want to meet the local tower then go ahead and use spacers.
Great video. Always learning 👍🏻
Hey homey, you forgot to line the holes up in the wheel cover with the holes in the wheels lol.
If my health threatens to get better, I just got to do one. I'm only seventy three and mind is .... well that part shouldn't count. I hate those aluminum spacers but they are like eighty to a hundred apiece. The steel ones are three hundred a piece but they last forever.... Several of the wrecking yards around here have those old rear ends for some reason... its the front axle that is unobtainium. I can see why that truck was restored... not many here are two wheel
Good luck buddy 😎
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Jafro would like a chat with you. You even have the cool music going
Ahhhhhh someone's been picking there nose at work cought you grease handed lol.
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that truck!
RockAuto has the 3-inch drums for this rear.
need a hubcentric spacer between the duals
255/85r16 no more spacers still have 33” tires.
I was just thinking about that truck just yesterday
If the tires touch all around its "fine". Touching only at the bottoms where the tire bulges from ground contact is an issue.
????? The tires just plain shouldn't touch, period, if they touch you're going to blow a tire. Or maybe i misunderstood your comment🤷♂️