@@xnoux1 😁 Outdoor I stick with 250hz, inside after the review I often switch it up to 500hz. Why after the review. I really don't have a good answer. Maybe I feel it makes the flight of the review video more likely to be like the experience others would have. Thinking the masses wouldn't switch to 500hz.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you for the detailed answer! :) I was asking also because I suspect high frequency can stress those little boards. I have a bluejay “heavy” build with HappyModel Fyujon and a Baby Ratel 2. The camera tends to heat up and I lose video (not OSD) and so far it happened only when I was at 250Hz, not at 50Hz. Could also simply be the camera that is defective but wondered if you’ve noticed such a behavior caused by High ELRS frequency during your thousands of hours of flight time xD
@@xnoux1 I haven't seen that sort of behavior before. I too would lean towards the camera having an issue. We could test the camera outside of the quad to see if we can replicate on the bench with a 2s battery and a vtx. Otherwise if we just have a different camera we can test with it might confirm the issue one way or another.
It comes with a 2nd battery bay. Albert Kim pointed out how they twist out at the base and can twist the larger bay back into the hole underneath. It's like a little rectangle stopper that twists into position.
Reading flywoo product description they say the "extra" battery holder is for the bigger battery. It is not a replacement! It's included in order to easily switch between the 2 battery sizes
Great review. Yes - finally BNF 2" 2s.. although I build my own 2 inchers, this is great to see for those that don't build or are just venturing into the 2s quads. 👍
William just sent me one of these, so I'll be working on an Emu tune...I'm guessing it was on BF 4.3? So happy we are seeing 2 inch 2s...I might have mentioned it a million times to William. :P
Nice, glad they are going to get one in your hands. I think it was BF4.2.2 or something just short of 4.3. Not with it right now :) Ah so you have the magic touch to bend the manufacturing ears. Nice and thank you!!
Prices for all are up on Flywoo, all 4 versions. Analog from $170, HDZero and WalkSnail from $290, DJI from $300. And the DJI version appears to use the same canopy.
FYI you are correct about the battery leads. Even with the zip tie eventually I ended with several failsAfes and then a FC fire. I was able to rebuild it. I have both a dji and analog and the weight makes one a cruiser while the other floppy flops. I tried to add gps to my hd but VTX overheats before gps locks 5
What is your favorite dji digital micro/lightweight quad for your size backyard? My layout is pretty similar and looking to get into something for the cold season so I don’t have to go to the park to fly my larger 5”
Out of curiosity can you try the quad on 1S? The board is listed as 1-2S input voltage/ESC in the specs. On 1S I can’t get the motors to spin up properly on arm, lots of stuttering pausing even what should be reasonable idle settings. I tried maxing out the ESC settings and didn’t help either. Given the layout/weight it would be weird for this board not to be 1-2S.
@@ludofevrier5593 I have tested 1002 motors on various props and kv here ua-cam.com/video/rG-zSomfjpc/v-deo.html this kv on 1s on 65mm props would be a slow cruiser.
Recently dove head first into hdzero.. absolutely loving it!!! Would love to see you test the hdzero version of this.. looks like a decent micro!! I love micros!! Edit: how does this compare to you beloved RR?
I don't know what that was at 5:09, but it looks sick! 😂😁 Awesome flying, this one looks like a really fun option and great review, love watching the specs portion as always!
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for your reply. Just for weight purposes?
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All you need is one good quad so make it the best you can instead of wasting money and time on owning many different quads. Hdzero is good it's like having perfect analog. Just wait a couple months and see where walksnail ends up.
With walksnail coming out with a 1s VTX it's making me consider switching from DJI v2. I run an analog adapter on my DJIv2s so I can enjoy the best of both worlds at the moment. But a digital micro would be nice.
Agreed! That price is steep. You would be better off buying the analog quad and a HDZero whoop lite bundle separately. Their margin on the HD versions seems much higher than the analog version.
I too am glad to see another 2s 2inch backyard quad. Except for whoops, I strongly prefer 2s vs 1s. As light as I build them, the 1s just always feel sluggish. With these 1/2s micros there is only a small weight penalty going from 1s to 2s with a much larger increase in thrust and responsiveness. Just my opinion.
Pretty impressive, you were going hard on those punches. I kinda want one for days when i can find a good spot to fly a 5 inch. looks like you could fly this at any park or just around a few trees to freestyle. The spots around me can have alot of people walking around so 5 inch flying can be dangerous, this thing would be chill tho.
The camera on it looks like a 1.8mm lens, we are used to the 2.1mm ones. The others tend to fisheye,but I like flywoo stuff. As far as flying in new places i tend to be a bit reserved on the way i fly and my yard tends to be the abusing grounds. I have 2 micros stuck in the arena rafters right now, one from me fooling around ,and another from a kid who has out paced me in the very few weeks of flying. Kinda makes me jealous on how some can progress so fast as i go backwards. Thanks again Sir for what you do for our community.
Probably not a good idea with micros, but I fly in long grass that wraps around the motors, if I can flip it, I leave it in turtle mode and yaw back and forth 3 or 4 times, and that usually releases it, ut that's a 5 inch.
The static is from the power draw i got it once I went to xt30 I had to put a capacitor on anyway because I have the crazy bee board and it helped abit but mines still worse than yours as my vtx is the stock mob 7 type
The orbit the tree look up trick is back!! Right on Nick Burns!! Also not all the way through the video but the battery holder on the bottom says 420(goes with 420mah battery. Maybe the other one that came with it is for the larger battery. Check what is says on the bottom perhaps
I suspect they get those for pennies by the 100s :) I collect them and put them in giveaway boxes. Feels wrong to toss them and I don't tend to put stickers on stuff.
I have the DJI version and within 10 flights indoors I lost a motor. No big deal, $13 later it was replaced. About 10 flights go by and it falls out of sky from about 5ft and lands in grass with no damage. Never been crashed besides the 2 motor failures and no other damage. This time it's the ESC and it's taken another motor with it(same side one as before). Currently talking to Flywoo and hoping I get a replacement board. While looking at prices I saw a review for the Goku F405(Firefly DJIs AIO) where a guy received two in a row with bad ESC. I'm wondering how many others are out there...
Forgot to mention that the motors after a flight are ice cold. Firmware has been stock and betaflight is all stock except rates turned up to 925 on roll/ele/rud with zero deadband. I fly fast circuits around my house with 18g to 30g packs. Quad without packs weighs 62g and I fly 2s packs weighing up to 30-31g but most are 19g to 28g.
I haven't had to many comments on this one in the real world. Thanks for coming back to post your experience. I hope they had a temporary QC issue. Flywoo is typically fairly reliable.
So I just got this quad (in analog) and I’ve heard so many praises on how it flies. @nickburns do you think it’s not worth trying tri blades instead of bi blades? I want something than can do some mini sbang and a park/tree ripper.
House is looking amazing, the flight style is ever evolving but still that racer style at heart haha. 2S is forever great, seen NBD nitro nectar have 2S packs and look like they really dish out the amps!! Cheers mate
Hmm. Angry Don has been the real pioneer with these 1 and 2 S micros. I know your TKS rocket race 2S is legendary. Built three rocket race myself. After my 1s 1002 build the 2S doesnt feels like any benefit over the 1S in flight performance because of the extra weight. Kinda exactly what Angry Don has been testing and said too. But of course now you can go digital and carry an extra cam on 2S. Looks really good but somehow kills the idea of ultra small 1002 and light weight 1S for safe garden rip'in
I will tell you quite honestly, I use digital for photography and mostly analog for straight flying! The benefit to analog is way way way cheaper! I am talking another $100.00-$150.00 for HDZero. That is why I only own two of the expensive BNF little gold bricks!
Proprietary parts make ANY Emax micro a no buy for anyone who doesn't want to get totally screwed! Having to only buy their motors and AIO board, at outrageous prices, and not being able to use parts you already have, makes Emax micros a very bad deal. No one else does that! Plus, that board they use is notorious for burning out, and it's ungodly expensive. 🙈🤷🤬
@@KOrnhOliO1 Hmmm, I’ve been flying 4 of them for at least 2 years and never had a board failure. And they’re cheaper than this board. Odd that your experience was different.
@@KOrnhOliO1 Wow, that is so weird Scott. I fly the heck out of these things and the only board failure I had was a cracked solder joint that was easily repaired. And that happened in a super hard crash into a fence post that sheared the cam connector off the board, so had to direct solder those wires. I do install XT30’s right out of the box. What’s failing on the ones that you’ve had, or heard about?
Hi Nick, do you think these motors might be under-power for the DJI or the Walksnail versions or a heavier battery? Or a set of 1202.5 @ similar kv may be more adequate for the digital versions.
I am not sure how much "thought" they can put into the price. The cost of everything continues to rise. $80 quads in 2019 now are $120. Its a tough time right now.
I don't know that it has a name, its nearly an inverted turn I guess. Sometimes I swing the nose around to head the other way, other times like in this video I allow the quad to kind of "tail up" and then go forward.
which elrs firmware do we use to flash to this quad mine came with "DIY 2400 RX ESP8285 SX1280" on it but on a video JB did he flashed "Flywoo EL24P 2400RX" so do i use the firmware in the DIY TAB "DIY 2400 RX ESP8285 SX1280" OR as JB showed "Flywoo EL24P 2400RX" from the flywoo tab in ExpressLRS configurator?
The best props are those it comes with. If you change props you will likely need to change the pid tune as well to get it to fly as well compared to the stock props and pid tune.
I prefer the bassline to this especially if the space is the same size as my backyard. The mobula8 flies as well as this but the frame tends to get damaged more than I would like
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for replying. I want a whoop with prop guards, and from what I can see there are no prop guards available for Bassline. That is why I am considering Nano Baby 20 or Mobula 8.
You’re the second reviewer I’ve seen for this quad that states it came with a 750mhA that was too big to fit it. I wonder if they forgot to bundle in a larger battery holder? Why would they pack in a battery that won’t fit?
So judging by your reaction and comments I guess this is not a one to one replacement for the TKS race rocket. That big antenna hanging on top and dragging in the wind could be changed but at that point if you need to change one thing might as well build it from scratch yourself.
Its very close to my favorite little outdoor micro the rocket race. The difference is the smaller motors really don't push tri blade props to well, and I like that prop feel and crisp flight characteristics.
@@NickBurnsFPV the kv on these seemed too high but now I think I am going to have to try 1102 13500kv with biblades and see how those go vs. the 10000kv with triblade 👍
@@valden It will have more top end speed and somewhat less flight time. Kinda just how kv works on the same prop and motor size....and overall quad weight
After seeing your comments I made my Mobula 7 based TKS rocket into a 2S 2" toothpick using the Quad 666 Sky Ryder frame. I was going to use the RcInPower 1002's but saw a number of reports that said they were not terribly efficient and the stated KV's were not close to what they really were. Because I this I went with HM 1102 9K kv (I wanted 10K but could not find them at the time) and I use the same Nanotech battery you use. I have been using them for many years on some of my small fixed wing stuff and they do perform well.......With all that being said I LOVE my 2" but was wondering how this performs compared to your 2S TKS Rocket Race builds? I am surprised that I am regularly getting 5 minute flight doing some pretty hard ripping and the things goes pretty darn well.
The flight characteristics are very close but the main difference is the RR has the 1102 which run the tri blades better than 1002 can. The tri blade crispness and responsiveness gives the rocket race the edge for me.
I believe the A75X runs 3s. That would mean even if we swap the frame the frame isn't thick enough for the additional weight of 3s batteries. I suspect it would break on at least some crashes. I have seen the frame break as a bnf.
Love your videos and your flying... I just started flying 6s fpv quads a few months ago but have been flying the dji mavic line up for about 3 years ... I purchased this little Firefly Nano Baby 20 a few days ago and ive seen so many suggestions on when to land in videos and on the web and everyone says something different.... I noticed in your video you went down to 3.4 volts but you also said you should of landed a bit sooner ... So should i be landing at 3.5volts then or can i safely go lower ?
For me it’s a timing specific. I want to land and disarm, then I want the battery to recover to 3.5volts/cell. Micros are different than bigger quads, our batteries are smaller and they tend to go down pretty quick when we start to fly but they also recover when we disarm.
@@BOTGRINDER ah sorry I haven't had a chance to watch yet. Sometimes the brain is working normally but the mouth not so much. I think I have two of those (that I left) in this video. Makes us all human :)
I just got mine in the mail (from your affiliate link)…. My goggles V2 will not bind to them. DJI assistant will not recognize them either to update. Any ideas? Should I go back in firmware on the vista?
@@NickBurnsFPV I went back a version with Vista and it binded no problem! Still can not get Goggles in to assistant thought. At least I was able to fly it, super cool little quad!
@@NickBurnsFPV not that I've ever seen. It's pretty smooth and super tough. I use it because the tape lasts way longer than the motor wire tape that comes factory but looks the same, just a couple thousandths thicker and better adhesive properties.
Very nice little ripper! The camera colours looks nice, but I think I'd prefer a shaper image like the Runcam Nano3, that is not the most beauty but very clear and easy to see tree branches and wires..
Hey Nick which would you prefer for a everyday flier at a small park this or smart 16 by geprc. As far as longevity, durability and availability of parts smart 16 has a stack so it's cheaper to fix right? But need your expert opinion 😏 I was about to pull the trigger on smart 16 but this video came out . Do you know anymore 2inch 2s coming out. And if you can't talk about it should I wait?
For flight characteristics, I much prefer the nano baby 20. If there is a failure the cost to fix/replace is about %50 less as we have separate components. I don't have any information on other 2inch 2s coming, but when there is 1 there is generally more on the way...could be 60 days before we see it though
Thx for the answer I'm only worried the durability with 1.5mm frame on smart16 but the fixed angle is why I wont pull the trigger and the way USB is the canopy is hard to replace with the uz85 canopy I have but thinking of cutting back and mounting with three screws and a ant lite camera but worried about weight thx what you think 🤔
as usual, awesome review Mr Burns! how would you compare this little ripper to the darwinfpv tiny ape fr? I've been loving the tiny ape, bashed the heck out of it and am still only on second set of props. some slight flaking of the carbon frame by the camera due to a nasty crash into the trampoline, but it's held up to my abuse thus far! cheers, have fun and stay safe!
IMHO this is more agile and likely noise friendly for those that need to be more discrete when flying. I have a bias for smaller quads with the flight performance I am looking for. I felt the tiny ape didn't respond as quickly as I would like, it flies well just that little extra response I like. Makes flying in tight spaces at speed a bit more easy and I feel more connected to the flight when it responds as I like.
@@NickBurnsFPV cheers Mr Burns, appreciate your insight! I absolutely love the way the tiny ape flies, though I am a noob so I don't have much to compare to! I might have to give myself an early bday present with one of these 😊 happy flying!
Hey Nick- great review as always. I have a question for you- I want to get the PNP version and I have a Flysky FS-I6X radio ( AFHDS 2A) what would be a good receiver for this quad? Thanks Nick. Much appreciated.
We will want something small as there isn't to much room, with that I also haven't flown or connected a flysky reciever in a number of years. The flysky FS-A8S v2 is small, I did use it once years ago and it seemed to work fine, but I didn't test range. There very well could be something smaller and better.
Hi Nick YEP I have also been looking for a 2s Mico. For about the last couple of years, I've have been using 1s quad and making a 2s or 3s. And for the price it's worth it. Thanks again for the video and information.
I love it I seen a spark in your eyes no joke it's nice to see that you deserve it Nick you really do you have put in a lot of work that didn't benefit your self and has helped god only now's how many!!p.s flywoo how come you guys have gotten Nick those HD version for testing seriously if anyone has the knowledge to properly and correctly run the HD versions through all the proper testing and spec's as he did with the analog version..... Thanks Nick !!!
Awesome review. I was REALLY interested in this little guy - until I went to Flywoo and saw the price - yikes! The analog model isn't so bad but the HD Zero w/ CRSF nano is $319 😮
as a girl with long hair those ducts probably wouldn't do much, my tiny whoop has gotten super tangled in my hair a few times despite it having a lot more surface area on its ducts.
@@cowfangirl420 If we get the props down inside the ducts we should be well protected. I have a few whoops on 2s with 40mm gemfan where the tips tend to be slightly above the ducts and those can scratch us a touch, but mostly very harmless.
Im still deciding if I want to go smaller or larger. small is so much more affordable and much easier to fly without Karen bothering me even though I go to the far end of the park, she can still hear my 5inch, but she cant hear my 3inchers
I have a hard time with flywoo. I want to like them, but first "shipping lost my first order" when it was pretty clear that they just forgot to ship it since it was the supposedly the last explorer with a pro camera they had... Then I ordered a naked vista from them and it came burnt 🔥 :( and they said tough crap, and that I must have burnt it... I know people are going to think that I did it, but I haven't had problems with other naked vistas I have made or ordered.. Either way it felt bad to spend 150$ on a DOA unit and reach out to them and be told tough beans. So I learned to spend my money at places that take care of me. Also, I tried to leave a bad review and they never let it post. Like I say, I like my explorerLR. But they just aren't reliable enough to gamble my money with them anymore. Not sure if anyone has had a bad experience with them too
@@DonJohnsonFPV I've always had good luck with getfpv, pyrodrone, and race day quads. And team black sheep has always given really good support to me. I am sure that isn't everyone's experience, but I have made 2 separate orders from flywoo and had a negative experience both times. Tbs shipped my buddy out a new unify for 1/2 price when he had been using it for a year. By flywoo sends me a DOA naked vista and then says tough beans when I ask them what can be done... Yeah, that puts a sour taste in your mouth. Overall I like my explorerLR, and I might consider buying flywoo stuff from a shop that I have faith in, but I would be lying if I said that even buying it through a good shop I don't have my hesitations about buying a flywoo product. Guess that's why it's really important and valuable that we have people like Nick burns testing and telling us what is good and what is trash and should be avoided.
Very subjective. I wouldn't fly this inside unless like a warehouse or some industrial inside space. Exposed props can do damage in many indoor spaces. This is much more responsive than the mobigital. More power as well.
Its super hard to say yes without testing. I suspect if it could be done the battery would be an 850. I am skeptical, as battery weight goes up we have to use more and more throttle to fly
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#2 question :D what ELRS frequency do you use? 500Hz? :)
@@xnoux1 😁 Outdoor I stick with 250hz, inside after the review I often switch it up to 500hz. Why after the review. I really don't have a good answer. Maybe I feel it makes the flight of the review video more likely to be like the experience others would have. Thinking the masses wouldn't switch to 500hz.
@@NickBurnsFPV thank you for the detailed answer! :)
I was asking also because I suspect high frequency can stress those little boards.
I have a bluejay “heavy” build with HappyModel Fyujon and a Baby Ratel 2.
The camera tends to heat up and I lose video (not OSD) and so far it happened only when I was at 250Hz, not at 50Hz.
Could also simply be the camera that is defective but wondered if you’ve noticed such a behavior caused by High ELRS frequency during your thousands of hours of flight time xD
@@xnoux1 I haven't seen that sort of behavior before. I too would lean towards the camera having an issue. We could test the camera outside of the quad to see if we can replicate on the bench with a 2s battery and a vtx. Otherwise if we just have a different camera we can test with it might confirm the issue one way or another.
It comes with a 2nd battery bay. Albert Kim pointed out how they twist out at the base and can twist the larger bay back into the hole underneath. It's like a little rectangle stopper that twists into position.
2:18 its printed on the battery bay 420
Thanks for the love Nick!
This build looks interesting, right up your alley. Curious about these 1002 flywoos...
On the high kv option I didn’t see any major difference between the Flywoo and RCinpower. Punch out and flight time seems about the same.
@@Quad66 Thank you!
Thanks! Great job, thank you for what you do!
Much appreciated!
Reading flywoo product description they say the "extra" battery holder is for the bigger battery. It is not a replacement! It's included in order to easily switch between the 2 battery sizes
Yes, I missed that marking on the other battery holder.
0:46 OMG this was amazing trick :D
Thanks!, learning so much from you.
You are so welcome!
Looks like an added 10+ grams going from analog to DJI - but same motors. Hard to imagine that will fly too well.
I suspect it will be much more tame. Probably could use 1102 and tri blades to wake it back up...
this quad can also save weight a few places
Fun lil 2s ripper! I recently picked up some tpu for my printer so I can start experimenting canopy designs in my quad
I think the Emax 350 2s batteries are great too! Ofcourse you’d need to solder your own xt30 plug to it. It weighs only 17 grams, pretty sweet.
Great review. Yes - finally BNF 2" 2s.. although I build my own 2 inchers, this is great to see for those that don't build or are just venturing into the 2s quads. 👍
William just sent me one of these, so I'll be working on an Emu tune...I'm guessing it was on BF 4.3? So happy we are seeing 2 inch 2s...I might have mentioned it a million times to William. :P
Nice, glad they are going to get one in your hands. I think it was BF4.2.2 or something just short of 4.3. Not with it right now :) Ah so you have the magic touch to bend the manufacturing ears. Nice and thank you!!
Wow it looks like it flies really well
i do like it. I prefer my rocket race 2s just a touch more but for a bind and fly its as close as we have seen to my favorite quad the rocket race 2s.
Nice looking little quad. I’ll look forward to Nick’s review of the DJI version before I make a decision (looking at you Flywoo 🧐).
I started with a 2" tinyhawk 2 race and it's still my favorite quad.
This is a fair step up from the tinyhawk 2 race don't you think? Its been a while since I have flown the tinyhawk 2 race.
Prices for all are up on Flywoo, all 4 versions. Analog from $170, HDZero and WalkSnail from $290, DJI from $300. And the DJI version appears to use the same canopy.
FYI you are correct about the battery leads. Even with the zip tie eventually I ended with several failsAfes and then a FC fire. I was able to rebuild it. I have both a dji and analog and the weight makes one a cruiser while the other floppy flops. I tried to add gps to my hd but VTX overheats before gps locks 5
hd vtx do warm up pretty fast and need air flow. Might have to have a small fan blow on it while getting the gps lock. I have had to do that as well.
Might try turning the TPA value up a little. Like, if its 0.65, then try 0.70
I haven't tested, but yes its at .65. I will give .70 a go. Thanks for that.
What is your favorite dji digital micro/lightweight quad for your size backyard? My layout is pretty similar and looking to get into something for the cold season so I don’t have to go to the park to fly my larger 5”
Out of curiosity can you try the quad on 1S? The board is listed as 1-2S input voltage/ESC in the specs. On 1S I can’t get the motors to spin up properly on arm, lots of stuttering pausing even what should be reasonable idle settings. I tried maxing out the ESC settings and didn’t help either. Given the layout/weight it would be weird for this board not to be 1-2S.
I wouldn't do more than hover it on 1s. I suspect the motors might not be 1s compatible in the scenario you mention.
@@NickBurnsFPV hi Nick this motors fly very well in 65mm props 1s... Maybe it s not so bad on 2' 1S😉
@@ludofevrier5593 I have tested 1002 motors on various props and kv here ua-cam.com/video/rG-zSomfjpc/v-deo.html this kv on 1s on 65mm props would be a slow cruiser.
@@NickBurnsFPV yes agree... I like fly in my street on the night (silent is importante) ☺️ so +5min fly time I like this
Recently dove head first into hdzero.. absolutely loving it!!! Would love to see you test the hdzero version of this.. looks like a decent micro!! I love micros!!
Edit: how does this compare to you beloved RR?
Its close, the RR has an edge though. The ability to run triblade props well has a touch more of a crisp flight feel to me.
@@NickBurnsFPV love my gemfan 2023💪🏻
What might be the difference, between this Firefly Nano 2s - vs. a Meteor85 2s? The Firefly might be a little more powerful and that's it?
I don't know what that was at 5:09, but it looks sick! 😂😁 Awesome flying, this one looks like a really fun option and great review, love watching the specs portion as always!
Whoa! This is a $100 analog quad.
It costs $170 PNP, no receiver!
$200 with Crossfire.
No friggin' way! 🤬🙄
With all those new digital options i Do not know what to invest in.... hdzero? Walksnail? Flying mainly your types of drones....3.5 inch at Max
It is a rough decision for sure. I am happy having fun with analog, but I appreciate HD. If I couldn't pick more than one I would likely go hdzero.
I Still like analog DJI is too expensive.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for your reply. Just for weight purposes?
All you need is one good quad so make it the best you can instead of wasting money and time on owning many different quads. Hdzero is good it's like having perfect analog. Just wait a couple months and see where walksnail ends up.
With walksnail coming out with a 1s VTX it's making me consider switching from DJI v2. I run an analog adapter on my DJIv2s so I can enjoy the best of both worlds at the moment. But a digital micro would be nice.
Did I smoke the wrong crack this morning?
$300 for a hdzero micro?
Pricey right? It’s not 2019 anymore 🤷🏻♂️🤑
Consider your mind officially blown! 🙄
Agreed! That price is steep. You would be better off buying the analog quad and a HDZero whoop lite bundle separately. Their margin on the HD versions seems much higher than the analog version.
Thank you for your sharing! Nick
Really reminds me of the glorious old LarvaX frame just a smaller form factor.
Same! :)
@@JohnCuppi Good to see you here my friend:)
I too am glad to see another 2s 2inch backyard quad. Except for whoops, I strongly prefer 2s vs 1s. As light as I build them, the 1s just always feel sluggish. With these 1/2s micros there is only a small weight penalty going from 1s to 2s with a much larger increase in thrust and responsiveness. Just my opinion.
I can certainly agree with that.
Pretty impressive, you were going hard on those punches. I kinda want one for days when i can find a good spot to fly a 5 inch. looks like you could fly this at any park or just around a few trees to freestyle. The spots around me can have alot of people walking around so 5 inch flying can be dangerous, this thing would be chill tho.
The printed battery strap has the number 420 imprinted, no wonder that the 750 won't fit :)
Dang sorry I missed that. I noticed it said 420 but thought it was some sort of marketing
The camera on it looks like a 1.8mm lens, we are used to the 2.1mm ones. The others tend to fisheye,but I like flywoo stuff.
As far as flying in new places i tend to be a bit reserved on the way i fly and my yard tends to be the abusing grounds. I have 2 micros stuck in the arena rafters right now, one from me fooling around ,and another from a kid who has out paced me in the very few weeks of flying. Kinda makes me jealous on how some can progress so fast as i go backwards. Thanks again Sir for what you do for our community.
👍 swweeet wove it ! !!
God bless
Probably not a good idea with micros, but I fly in long grass that wraps around the motors, if I can flip it, I leave it in turtle mode and yaw back and forth 3 or 4 times, and that usually releases it, ut that's a 5 inch.
yea, with 5inch esc they have far more overhead and robust esc. I wouldn't suggest that with a micro or lower margin esc.
170$ US with not receiver for analog, discount does not work
Yeah, mind blowingly expensive! 😵💫
The static is from the power draw i got it once I went to xt30 I had to put a capacitor on anyway because I have the crazy bee board and it helped abit but mines still worse than yours as my vtx is the stock mob 7 type
The orbit the tree look up trick is back!! Right on Nick Burns!! Also not all the way through the video but the battery holder on the bottom says 420(goes with 420mah battery. Maybe the other one that came with it is for the larger battery. Check what is says on the bottom perhaps
Yeppers. I missed the other battery holder isn't a spare but rather for the larger battery. Bit of a duh moment.
Flywoo and RDQ stickers multiply like bunnies. I have them all over my office and work area.
I suspect they get those for pennies by the 100s :) I collect them and put them in giveaway boxes. Feels wrong to toss them and I don't tend to put stickers on stuff.
I have the DJI version and within 10 flights indoors I lost a motor. No big deal, $13 later it was replaced. About 10 flights go by and it falls out of sky from about 5ft and lands in grass with no damage. Never been crashed besides the 2 motor failures and no other damage. This time it's the ESC and it's taken another motor with it(same side one as before). Currently talking to Flywoo and hoping I get a replacement board. While looking at prices I saw a review for the Goku F405(Firefly DJIs AIO) where a guy received two in a row with bad ESC. I'm wondering how many others are out there...
Forgot to mention that the motors after a flight are ice cold. Firmware has been stock and betaflight is all stock except rates turned up to 925 on roll/ele/rud with zero deadband. I fly fast circuits around my house with 18g to 30g packs. Quad without packs weighs 62g and I fly 2s packs weighing up to 30-31g but most are 19g to 28g.
I haven't had to many comments on this one in the real world. Thanks for coming back to post your experience. I hope they had a temporary QC issue. Flywoo is typically fairly reliable.
So I just got this quad (in analog) and I’ve heard so many praises on how it flies. @nickburns do you think it’s not worth trying tri blades instead of bi blades? I want something than can do some mini sbang and a park/tree ripper.
I have tried 2inch triblades on 1002 motors. Not a good match, sluggish performance and short flights
how long before a kwad goes for a swim ?
is this too powerful to fly inside?
House is looking amazing, the flight style is ever evolving but still that racer style at heart haha. 2S is forever great, seen NBD nitro nectar have 2S packs and look like they really dish out the amps!!
Cheers mate
Is the battery tray marked as to what battery size that it is made for?
It is, I completely missed that.
do you think this would fly with a 1S? perhaps for indoor use?
I am not sure it will do much more than a very slow cruise, indoor poses risk as it isn't prop protected.
Hmm. Angry Don has been the real pioneer with these 1 and 2 S micros.
I know your TKS rocket race 2S is legendary. Built three rocket race myself. After my 1s 1002 build the 2S doesnt feels like any benefit over the 1S in flight performance because of the extra weight. Kinda exactly what Angry Don has been testing and said too.
But of course now you can go digital and carry an extra cam on 2S.
Looks really good but somehow kills the idea of ultra small 1002 and light weight 1S for safe garden rip'in
I am in the other corner, outside of whoops I prefer 2s over 1s when prop size is the same
@@NickBurnsFPV Agreed! No comparison. 😎🤘
Do you prefer the the tks rocket race ?
I do prefer the rocket race
Pretty fantastic flying and review, Nick!!! 😃
I loved this little quad! It really flies amazingly!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
How do you compare this to the rocketrace? Is it better or worse
I like the rocket race better. The tri blades make it corner like I like. 1002 struggle to run 2inch triblades
I will tell you quite honestly, I use digital for photography and mostly analog for straight flying! The benefit to analog is way way way cheaper! I am talking another $100.00-$150.00 for HDZero. That is why I only own two of the expensive BNF little gold bricks!
Is the camera fixed?
yes
Would it be possible to fit a HDZero Nano camera inside that canopy ?
I think we would have to glue or secure it with tape, I don't believe the pressure fit will work as the lenses look to be different sizes.
Hi try to put out the lense and re fit in I think it s possible (excuse my english)
Would you consider this to be the best 2S front/back yard ripper that is BNF?
I think its one of the top 2, between this and the bassline
Tinyhawk 2 race seems like a better option in this space, once you replace bat connector with an xt30. Much better cam that’s adjustable.
Proprietary parts make ANY Emax micro a no buy for anyone who doesn't want to get totally screwed! Having to only buy their motors and AIO board, at outrageous prices, and not being able to use parts you already have, makes Emax micros a very bad deal. No one else does that! Plus, that board they use is notorious for burning out, and it's ungodly expensive. 🙈🤷🤬
@@KOrnhOliO1 Hmmm, I’ve been flying 4 of them for at least 2 years and never had a board failure. And they’re cheaper than this board. Odd that your experience was different.
@@modquad18 not just mine. Many!
@@KOrnhOliO1 Wow, that is so weird Scott. I fly the heck out of these things and the only board failure I had was a cracked solder joint that was easily repaired. And that happened in a super hard crash into a fence post that sheared the cam connector off the board, so had to direct solder those wires. I do install XT30’s right out of the box. What’s failing on the ones that you’ve had, or heard about?
@@modquad18 not sure, but I think it's burned up ESC's.
Hi Nick, do you think these motors might be under-power for the DJI or the Walksnail versions or a heavier battery? Or a set of 1202.5 @ similar kv may be more adequate for the digital versions.
I do worry that if we add weight we will see the crisp flight get slower more sluggish. A larger motor would likely offset that
awesome little quad thanks for sharing Nick
They have to think about the price
I am not sure how much "thought" they can put into the price. The cost of everything continues to rise. $80 quads in 2019 now are $120. Its a tough time right now.
What is that move that you do at 5:08?
I don't know that it has a name, its nearly an inverted turn I guess. Sometimes I swing the nose around to head the other way, other times like in this video I allow the quad to kind of "tail up" and then go forward.
which elrs firmware do we use to flash to this quad
mine came with "DIY 2400 RX ESP8285 SX1280" on it
but on a video JB did he flashed "Flywoo EL24P 2400RX"
so do i use the firmware in the DIY TAB "DIY 2400 RX ESP8285 SX1280"
OR as JB showed "Flywoo EL24P 2400RX" from the flywoo tab in ExpressLRS configurator?
both should work, many of these receivers have the same design, the reference target for many micro elrs rx is the DIY 2400 ESP8285 SX1280
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks, a bit of a learning curve flashing elrs,hdzero tx,rx upgrading to edgetx all at once.
@@chris2fers678 agreed, gets easier each time we have to run through the process.
Hey Nick, can you link or send me what the best props you would use for this model please 🙏 thanks love your reviews
The best props are those it comes with. If you change props you will likely need to change the pid tune as well to get it to fly as well compared to the stock props and pid tune.
How does it compare to Happymodel Mobula8?
I prefer the bassline to this especially if the space is the same size as my backyard. The mobula8 flies as well as this but the frame tends to get damaged more than I would like
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for replying. I want a whoop with prop guards, and from what I can see there are no prop guards available for Bassline. That is why I am considering Nano Baby 20 or Mobula 8.
I like this a lot. the camera is a bit iffy but acceptable. I think I would have been happen with a run cam nano 4 on it.
You’re the second reviewer I’ve seen for this quad that states it came with a 750mhA that was too big to fit it. I wonder if they forgot to bundle in a larger battery holder? Why would they pack in a battery that won’t fit?
turns out the battery holder in the bag was for the larger batteries like the 750mah they sent. I missed it completely.
Do u prefer the flywoo over the TKS Rocket Race?
no. I prefer the rocket race, the tri blade props and response of those props with 1102 is a touch better.
@@NickBurnsFPV ok thank you
So judging by your reaction and comments I guess this is not a one to one replacement for the TKS race rocket. That big antenna hanging on top and dragging in the wind could be changed but at that point if you need to change one thing might as well build it from scratch yourself.
Its very close to my favorite little outdoor micro the rocket race. The difference is the smaller motors really don't push tri blade props to well, and I like that prop feel and crisp flight characteristics.
@@NickBurnsFPV the kv on these seemed too high but now I think I am going to have to try 1102 13500kv with biblades and see how those go vs. the 10000kv with triblade 👍
@@valden It will have more top end speed and somewhat less flight time. Kinda just how kv works on the same prop and motor size....and overall quad weight
After seeing your comments I made my Mobula 7 based TKS rocket into a 2S 2" toothpick using the Quad 666 Sky Ryder frame. I was going to use the RcInPower 1002's but saw a number of reports that said they were not terribly efficient and the stated KV's were not close to what they really were. Because I this I went with HM 1102 9K kv (I wanted 10K but could not find them at the time) and I use the same Nanotech battery you use. I have been using them for many years on some of my small fixed wing stuff and they do perform well.......With all that being said I LOVE my 2" but was wondering how this performs compared to your 2S TKS Rocket Race builds? I am surprised that I am regularly getting 5 minute flight doing some pretty hard ripping and the things goes pretty darn well.
The flight characteristics are very close but the main difference is the RR has the 1102 which run the tri blades better than 1002 can. The tri blade crispness and responsiveness gives the rocket race the edge for me.
I love you’re flight style nick. That’s what assures me you know what you’re talking about. You really rip- for an old man :p
Nick , love your videos.
Do you think the A75X would be compatible swap (frame wise)
Nano baby? (,caddx )
I believe the A75X runs 3s. That would mean even if we swap the frame the frame isn't thick enough for the additional weight of 3s batteries. I suspect it would break on at least some crashes. I have seen the frame break as a bnf.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you very much. Happy Holidays
Love your videos and your flying... I just started flying 6s fpv quads a few months ago but have been flying the dji mavic line up for about 3 years ... I purchased this little Firefly Nano Baby 20 a few days ago and ive seen so many suggestions on when to land in videos and on the web and everyone says something different.... I noticed in your video you went down to 3.4 volts but you also said you should of landed a bit sooner ... So should i be landing at 3.5volts then or can i safely go lower ?
For me it’s a timing specific. I want to land and disarm, then I want the battery to recover to 3.5volts/cell. Micros are different than bigger quads, our batteries are smaller and they tend to go down pretty quick when we start to fly but they also recover when we disarm.
ohhh thats how you say those numbers.
Lol you poking me now aren’t you? 🤷🏻♂️🤣
@@NickBurnsFPV in my video i struggled to say the numbers haha
@@BOTGRINDER ah sorry I haven't had a chance to watch yet. Sometimes the brain is working normally but the mouth not so much. I think I have two of those (that I left) in this video. Makes us all human :)
Is there any way to improve the vtx signal/quality with this? I’ve had soooooo many problems with this product.
the basics, antenna, receiving module and its antennas, environment...stay away from rf interference. Also try flying raceband 8
I just got mine in the mail (from your affiliate link)…. My goggles V2 will not bind to them. DJI assistant will not recognize them either to update. Any ideas? Should I go back in firmware on the vista?
The vista will need to be activated/registered to bind.
@@NickBurnsFPV I did that in DJI assistant. Says it’s current :/
@@redtailaerialimaging8983 Are the goggles on the the most recent version too? Another item: we can't bind when them when either is usb connected.
@@NickBurnsFPV I went back a version with Vista and it binded no problem! Still can not get Goggles in to assistant thought. At least I was able to fly it, super cool little quad!
Try gaffing tape sometime. I might get 1 of these for myself as early Xmas gift. Swap the antenna and might fix the signal, just a thought.
Isn't gaffing tape fuzzy? If so I have tried it and didn't like how dirt and debris would collect on it.
@@NickBurnsFPV not that I've ever seen. It's pretty smooth and super tough. I use it because the tape lasts way longer than the motor wire tape that comes factory but looks the same, just a couple thousandths thicker and better adhesive properties.
Peppy ^^ . . I've been looking to build a 2" 2S too, they're probably ever so slightly less sensitive to weight compared to the 1S stuff.
yes, and the throttle response is what I like in flight feel. 1s just doesn't have that same crisp flight feel
@@NickBurnsFPV 😁
hello how can i get the same osd do you have a dump to share or something
thx from france
change the font in the osd page of betaflight. I believe its called digital.
@@NickBurnsFPV thx
Awesome 2' great vid, pool looks awesome. I think I may need this one
Very nice little ripper! The camera colours looks nice, but I think I'd prefer a shaper image like the Runcam Nano3, that is not the most beauty but very clear and easy to see tree branches and wires..
Hey Nick which would you prefer for a everyday flier at a small park this or smart 16 by geprc. As far as longevity, durability and availability of parts smart 16 has a stack so it's cheaper to fix right? But need your expert opinion 😏 I was about to pull the trigger on smart 16 but this video came out . Do you know anymore 2inch 2s coming out. And if you can't talk about it should I wait?
For flight characteristics, I much prefer the nano baby 20. If there is a failure the cost to fix/replace is about %50 less as we have separate components. I don't have any information on other 2inch 2s coming, but when there is 1 there is generally more on the way...could be 60 days before we see it though
Thx for the answer I'm only worried the durability with 1.5mm frame on smart16 but the fixed angle is why I wont pull the trigger and the way USB is the canopy is hard to replace with the uz85 canopy I have but thinking of cutting back and mounting with three screws and a ant lite camera but worried about weight thx what you think 🤔
@@anthonycadejr3995 The weight of the ant lite is micro even with the screws only those most experienced flyers will feel the 2grams that adds.
Nice.....thank you for sharing
I'm a returning fan to the channel. Been away a couple of years. Dude when did you get the pool? so glad to see you are living my best life!
Pool was a 2022 project. Started in Feb, and we were able to get in May, then the grass and outdoor cookspace started.
shoulda came with a battery tray that says 750 on it, check the one on yours, says 420 for the 420mah lipo
yep, I thought it was spare turns out it was for the bigger battery. Missed it
as usual, awesome review Mr Burns!
how would you compare this little ripper to the darwinfpv tiny ape fr?
I've been loving the tiny ape, bashed the heck out of it and am still only on second set of props. some slight flaking of the carbon frame by the camera due to a nasty crash into the trampoline, but it's held up to my abuse thus far!
cheers, have fun and stay safe!
IMHO this is more agile and likely noise friendly for those that need to be more discrete when flying. I have a bias for smaller quads with the flight performance I am looking for. I felt the tiny ape didn't respond as quickly as I would like, it flies well just that little extra response I like. Makes flying in tight spaces at speed a bit more easy and I feel more connected to the flight when it responds as I like.
@@NickBurnsFPV cheers Mr Burns, appreciate your insight! I absolutely love the way the tiny ape flies, though I am a noob so I don't have much to compare to! I might have to give myself an early bday present with one of these 😊
happy flying!
Did you chop your VTX wires with a prop?
No why? Vtx antenna damaged? Maybe from crashes
@@NickBurnsFPV I thought I saw some damage to the yellow and white wires, eg at 11:41. Hard to tell from the video.
@@lightbulbjim good eyes! yes, I do see the damage now. Likely from a crash as the prop has plenty of space from those wires.
I've been waiting on a new micro review! Thanks nick!
Hey Nick- great review as always. I have a question for you- I want to get the PNP version and I have a Flysky FS-I6X radio ( AFHDS 2A) what would be a good receiver for this quad? Thanks Nick. Much appreciated.
We will want something small as there isn't to much room, with that I also haven't flown or connected a flysky reciever in a number of years. The flysky FS-A8S v2 is small, I did use it once years ago and it seemed to work fine, but I didn't test range. There very well could be something smaller and better.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks Nick- also would I be able to use Betaflight with this quad and my Flysky radio.
@@stewarthanson2931 Betaflight is on the quad already. I presume flysky will work as long as we get the PNP and add a compatible flysky receiver.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks Nick- I really appreciate it
Hi Nick YEP I have also been looking for a 2s Mico. For about the last couple of years, I've have been using 1s quad and making a 2s or 3s. And for the price it's worth it. Thanks again for the video and information.
Looks like Remade diatone cube in my opinion, which was and still is a great quad
I can see that. That diatone cube frame was super ridged, it was an unusual vertical cube.
I love it I seen a spark in your eyes no joke it's nice to see that you deserve it Nick you really do you have put in a lot of work that didn't benefit your self and has helped god only now's how many!!p.s flywoo how come you guys have gotten Nick those HD version for testing seriously if anyone has the knowledge to properly and correctly run the HD versions through all the proper testing and spec's as he did with the analog version..... Thanks Nick !!!
Thanks for the great videos! They’re gonna put DJI on that little thing??? I must have misheard that.
They are and they have it listed on their website now too. Its $300...ouchy
Awesome review. I was REALLY interested in this little guy - until I went to Flywoo and saw the price - yikes! The analog model isn't so bad but the HD Zero w/ CRSF nano is $319 😮
Yep, hobby keeps getting more and more expensive. Some brands more than others.
Excellent review!
Thank you
as a girl with long hair those ducts probably wouldn't do much, my tiny whoop has gotten super tangled in my hair a few times despite it having a lot more surface area on its ducts.
As a guy with long hair I agree 😅
Maybe I should have said it will keep the props from nicking or cutting the skin
@@NickBurnsFPV that definitely would be more accurate i’ve never gotten cut up on my ducted quads but i’ve got scars from my 4”+ unducted ones
@@cowfangirl420 If we get the props down inside the ducts we should be well protected. I have a few whoops on 2s with 40mm gemfan where the tips tend to be slightly above the ducts and those can scratch us a touch, but mostly very harmless.
amigo!epic picture-💥
Im still deciding if I want to go smaller or larger. small is so much more affordable and much easier to fly without Karen bothering me even though I go to the far end of the park, she can still hear my 5inch, but she cant hear my 3inchers
yea with micros we can stay "under the radar" of others.
I have a hard time with flywoo. I want to like them, but first "shipping lost my first order" when it was pretty clear that they just forgot to ship it since it was the supposedly the last explorer with a pro camera they had... Then I ordered a naked vista from them and it came burnt 🔥 :( and they said tough crap, and that I must have burnt it...
I know people are going to think that I did it, but I haven't had problems with other naked vistas I have made or ordered..
Either way it felt bad to spend 150$ on a DOA unit and reach out to them and be told tough beans. So I learned to spend my money at places that take care of me.
Also, I tried to leave a bad review and they never let it post.
Like I say, I like my explorerLR. But they just aren't reliable enough to gamble my money with them anymore. Not sure if anyone has had a bad experience with them too
Sorry they have been so poor to deal with. I would hope fpv shops would have stock of these in about 2-3 weeks.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks Nick! You always do great reviews!
@@mbrooks842 Thank you
"so I learned to spend my money in place that cared of me" so true... But didn't you find any ? I don't...
@@DonJohnsonFPV I've always had good luck with getfpv, pyrodrone, and race day quads. And team black sheep has always given really good support to me. I am sure that isn't everyone's experience, but I have made 2 separate orders from flywoo and had a negative experience both times. Tbs shipped my buddy out a new unify for 1/2 price when he had been using it for a year. By flywoo sends me a DOA naked vista and then says tough beans when I ask them what can be done... Yeah, that puts a sour taste in your mouth.
Overall I like my explorerLR, and I might consider buying flywoo stuff from a shop that I have faith in, but I would be lying if I said that even buying it through a good shop I don't have my hesitations about buying a flywoo product.
Guess that's why it's really important and valuable that we have people like Nick burns testing and telling us what is good and what is trash and should be avoided.
I wonder how this stacks up against the Bluejay?
It very comparable, I suspect I would have to fly them back to back to notice a difference.
Trying to catch-up. Been busy Nick...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Nice review bro🙏..how is the power?is it suitable to fly indoor?..how is the power compare to your's mobigital7? please advice...thanks🙏
Very subjective. I wouldn't fly this inside unless like a warehouse or some industrial inside space. Exposed props can do damage in many indoor spaces. This is much more responsive than the mobigital. More power as well.
If you wanted to get 15 minutes flight time on this drone is there a battery that would allow you to do so ? Just curious. Hope you say yes .
Its super hard to say yes without testing. I suspect if it could be done the battery would be an 850. I am skeptical, as battery weight goes up we have to use more and more throttle to fly
Thanks nick for the video