Well I would lean more into shadow since hit’s time skip is kinda well debatable how that works Chaos Control on the other hand warps space and time and hold it to zero And well in dragon ball is always the fact if you’re stronger hax don’t affect you which…is weird but anyways we have to consider also the inhibitor rings of shadow’s, yes it would drain him fast but the power increase is massive which would give vegeta’s UE a run for his money if the highball is used. And spirit fission would not matter if Vegeta wants to separate the emeralds because in Frontiers the Enda did that sonic just for him to go right back to Super Pretty close match but lean into shadow in my opinion
And in sonic heroes and sonic x shadow generations, chaos control can only be countered by another chaos control regardless of the users power as despite neo metal being weaker then shadow his chaos control couldn't effect him.
I hate how y'all think hax not affecting you if you have a better and higher Ki is weird when Bleach uses ts aswell. Not once not twice but three times
I don't think Vegeta could overpower Shadow’s Chaos Control for two reasons. One is that since they aren't similar power systems, Chaos Energy wouldn't be affected if Vegeta had a greater amount/more powerful Ki and the effects of Chaos Control would probably still take effect. The second reason is the emeralds having infinite power; which I do not think means Super Shadow would be unstoppable, but he would have unlimited energy therefore always having a higher amount of energy than Vegeta, making it impossible for him to overpower his hax abilities.
@@mastrsonic375 that and people don't understand how it works, Hit does his technique is called, time skipping, Chaos Control, controls time itself (along with space). Even ignoring that, It's never been shown that chaos control can be overpowered by anyone, unlike timeskip.
There is one bit of scaling that you may have forgotten as Sonic in Sonic Shuffle did play a hand in defeating Void, who scaled above Maginaryworld and as he was going to destroy all of it and Sonic is one of the four people to defeat him and they all did this in their base forms. This game was before Sonic Adventure 2, so Shadow should scale to this Sonic. This is 5-D scaling as simply hurting a 5-D being makes you 5-D. After all infinity divided by anything that isn't zero is still infinity. Then there's also the scaling for Sonic and the Secret Rings (which are canon to the mainline as they were referenced in Sonic Generations by Sonic verbatim). In the game has Sonic, while weakened with his lifeforce draining away, was able to take on an amped Erazor Djinn who was absorbing a good amount of the Arabian Nights stories and was even going to affect and threaten Sonic's world. This makes Sonic bare minimum (and by extension Shadow due to him regularly scaling to Sonic) Low-Multiversal (x2 above baseline) to POSSIBLY one notch above baseline Multiversal (x1002 above baseline as there are 1001 stories in the Arabian Nights that MAY be their own universes, plus one extra for Sonic's world, but this is a speculative highball). Even when forgetting that, Shadow DID actually fight Emerl who absorbed all Seven Chaos Emeralds, to which all Seven are able to power the Final Egg Blaster which is capable of destroying entire star systems not unlike the Eclipse Cannon. And THIS was a Shadow that just recovered from an injury in the game. This would make a lowballed Shadow Multi-Solar System. Then, in the new Shadow Generations, Shadow takes on Metal Overlord. The same Metal Overlord that took three Super Forms to defeat and he does this in his base form. If you use Sonic Shuffle feats, all you have to do is apply the similar scaling you used before in the video and upscale it from there, which makes Shadow actually well into Complex Multiversal in base to a highballed well into Outerversal.
@@jamainegardner4193 Yeah, Super Shadow and Super Silver were needed in order to destroy Solaris in each era of time, the past, present, and future. So the Super Hedgehogs, individually, scale roughly to Solaris, however it's tricky since Solaris couldn't physically be destroy and instead they targeted his mind.
@inksinkanimates8921 Yeah, no. That's not how that works. Let's not get into wank territory. High-Outer is NOT 11-D. Outerversal is beyond the concept of dimensionality. 11-D would be Complex Multiversal. Above that is Hyperversal, which is Infinite-Dimensionality. Sonic CD can't be scaled that high simply because of the alleged breaking the time barrier feat. Speed tier doesn't equal actual dimensional tiering and, not only that, that isn't really a 11-D feat at all.
No that’s be inaccessible which I’m pretty sure is one under immeasurable speed. Although I personally don’t understand how vegeta got immeasurable speed.
Yeah, Their video game characters, Harder to scale than just some Comic or Anime/Cartoon. Plus people don't like getting to know sonic well enough for some reason.🤷🏾♂️
Shadow scales significantly higher. Ultra Ego would be a problem but chaos control literally stops time and Shadow would blitz Vegeta. Not to mention how the super forms are quite literally invulnerable to physical attacks. So forced spirit fission wouldn’t do anything because hitting shadow wouldn’t even affect him 🫡 nice video though, you did a pretty good job scaling both characters even though you got shadow’s scaling a bit off since if he is relative to Sonic he’d be in the high hyperversal-low outerversal ranges of AP
From what you described, Ultra Ego wouldn’t be a problem at all even if he fusion danced with MUI Goku and then that fusion potara fused with Beast Gohan 💀 DBS ain’t touching High Hyperversal to Low Outerversal as it stands now
Well in that case he was far more right Vegeta absolutely stumps. Considering base Vegeta is far beyond current Goku who is above Blue Goku that was somewhat on par with alrale and she's Outerversal many times over Vegeta scales to high Outerversal and it's not even a contest
cell dosent get tired, he just will show visible stress from the damage he has taking. not getting "tierd" dosent mean you can ignore pain and your cells (unironically enough) that your opponent is beating the breaks off of you
Shadow slams end of story 😭🙏 Edit for people who want proof: Solaris destroyed Sonic’s cosmology by just existing and its been stated multiple times that sonic call cosmology has infinite dimensions and multiple of those dimensions do not have time or space. Infinite was stated to be sonic’s strongest villain and this is consistent to every single manual or guidebook that we get at the time the game released. Then base sonic after 6 months beats him in base. Eggman then makes a mech even stronger than infinite and sonic with the help of his past self an the avatar beats him and Sonic gets even stronger in Frontiers due to the cypher energy and Shadow has always been relative to sonic which makes sonic and shadow in base high outer due to they’re cosmology and infinite statements. As their speed Sonic was restoring his timelines along with his cosmology in generations by just RUNNING FAST. This is instantly immeasurable speed feat, sonic is also able to move in the null realm which is an infinite safe without time or space. As for DBZ the only outer characters they have is the Grand priest, angles and Zeno and that’s me being GENEROUS cuz being outer put you above the concept of life and death which the angels ARENT idk about Zeno tho. As for Goku and Vegeta they’re best feat is nearly destroying the DB cosmology in SSJG which gets them to complex multi. Also SSJG in the movie is stronger than the one Goku and Vegeta use now that’s why Beerus had to use 75% in the movie but not against Vegeta when he was SSJBE. Also Idk what the video says they high balled DB and low balled Sonic. 😭🙏 I wanted the video and I can say that’s it wrong DB fans just can’t expect that.
There's no "CONSISTENT" interpretation for immeasurable speed or infinite speed in Dragon ball WTF 😂... 1. You used the fact that Goku was moving in a TL Zeno erased but your not adding the fact that Trunks could also move in such space, Are you saying Trunks has Immeasurable/infinite speed? Lmao and Zeno who was moving there couldn't keep up to the average fighter in Tournament of power 2. Hits timeskip doesn't stop time, it's literally in the damn name timeskip😂, Both you and hit can move in TS cuz it's only skipping your next action within such time... Goku countered Time skip by Predicting hits change of movement within it and acting accordingly not by having "immeasurable/infinite" speed 3.Granola's technique Being faster than instant transmission is simply due to the method of him casting it being faster, Granola is using instant transmission just casting it faster, Vegeta can't be scaled to this because Granola used a technique not his raw speed, this is confirmed when Gas was said to have all granola's abilities after the wish then Gas proceeds to cast instant transmission Again there's nothing like an immeasurable/Infinite speed meta in Dragon Ball
@@SuperiorGokuGT Did you don’t have the balls to even try to read it then you know I’m right, you know I’m a better scaler, and you know you have an evidence to prove my claim is wrong
Goku moving in Hit's timeskip isn't a speed feat, it's just how powers work in dbz. Not only that, but Chaos Control has to be some sort of higher level of time stop, cause it can still stop Sonic despite him being able to move where there was no time. That means Vegeta wouldn't be able to move in Chaos Control. I think the fight is close, but I would give it to Shadow honestly.
Well a few more things The immeasurable speed arguemnts for vegeta can be debunked Shadow breaking the arm of solaris should actually put him at a relative ap Its more consistent for shadow to win taking those things into account
Vegetas immeasurable speeds can be Rebenked very Easley actually. They are both immeasurable. Shadow is just deeper into immeasurable them Vegeta. Vegeta has 5d and even 6d.
You lowballed shadow and the sonic franchise in general pretty heavily here, classic sonic already time travels with his raw movement speed for example
@scotland8906 Everybody lowballs shadow, they literally think his inhibitor rings make him weaker plus each game was a circumstance where shadow was either holding back, standing aside, or stalling for time. The dude is physically superior to sonic in the strength and durability category because of his lab origin, and they feel he is weaker like stop it.
@@camaramccoy9807 I wouldn't go far to say he superior, the games really hammer it in that Shadow and Sonic are equals, and even then, Shadow normally loses to Sonic (even admitted that Sonic may be the true ultimate lifeform)
The video is amazing and very well put together and the scaling through out the video is pretty consistent but there are 2 points I'd like to make for shadow 1. S.Sonic in the 06 gamebook guide is said to be able to beat solaris by himself which would upscale shadow and 2. In the same game shadow takes off his inhibitor rings giving him a boost stronger than 2 chaos emeralds but other than those 2 points like I said Perfect video don't slow down man!!!
@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842and the crazy part they didn’t kill Solaris they only subdued it temporarily so Sonic and Elise could blow out the flames of disaster so Solaris essentially gets server booted from the timeline
Well that's assuming that they meant Solaris all at once since Solaris was omnipresent throughout all eras of time. Thus, having help from both Shadow and Silver would make taking Solaris out much more assured. It wouldn't really upscale Sonic over Shadow or Silver. They all equalize at this point.
@@ZioEndling it’s all up to interpretation I was mainly using it as a point to say frontiers sonic could beat solaris solo and I should have said that my bad
Judging by the reaction of the comments, Vegeta won in this match up. I'd personally like to debate this topic with you. I don't only think Shadow is enough for Vegeta but for the entire Dragon Ball verse.
Game shadow might have SOME trouble with Vegeta, but isn’t the super form said to cause the wish that the user grants (talking about shadow and sonic here) so if that’s true.. couldn’t shadow just erase Vegeta from existence due to this reality-bending state that the super form has.. but Vegeta might not make TIME for shadow to do such thing so..
@@MahitoPlush yeah, the Emerald allow the user to bring their imagination to reality, between Shadow freezing time, warping and time traveling with chaos control, and Sonic actually being revived in 06 due to Elise’s wish with the seven gems.
Another win con that Vegeta has is Forced Spirit Fission. If Shadow were to go Super, Vegeta would be able to just separate him from the Chaos Emeralds with this technique.
@ 1. FSF works on fusions. 2. Chaos energy and Ki can be equalized. 3. Both of them have similar levels of speed as shown in the video so yes Vegeta can hit Shadow.
@ Chi and chaos energy cannot be equalised as chi represents the mind According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three parts: Genki: Means "vigor" Yūki: Means "courage" Shōki: Means "right-mindedness" All of these things are good traits to have and if you have them you’ve mastered chi. However chaos energy is completely different it’s called chaos energy for a reason the chaos energy represents disorder and while you can use positive and negative energy both sides at the end of the day mean the same thing absolute disaster or disorder. So no you can’t equalise chi and chaos energy the two are completely different.
@@burnscooper892although there’s one thing Vegeta don’t got Chais control bs, also doom powers are now a thing and that’s simply just apart of shadow Ms dba and in Gens it shows he is basically invulnerable idk if he is actually is invulnerable outside of the game and in canon I still need to check
@ Also Vegeta ain’t as fast as Shadow I’m getting that straight as instant transmission isn’t instant the only way you can hit someone who is using it is by predicting where they are going to go which is what everyone does. If they had infinite speed why would they need Whis to travel to different planets if their speed is instant? It even takes Whis a few minutes to do so. 😭🙏
I generally think that Shadow can win against Vegeta in more time than Vegeta can as stated Vegeta tends to have a habit of overthinking and having a huge Ego as shown in Granola Arc since he hasn't mastered the transformation yet also whole Ki can be depleted quite fast if he uses the final explosion as an example which takes a long time to charge which also applies to Ki there is also the fact that Chaos Emerald can be viewed as magical artifact which spirit fission might not work Sure Vegeta got the spirit fission which some people say can affect super form but it might also backfire if we take into account that the inhibitor can also be viewed as an object, like Chaos Emerald, which, in this case, is limiting Shadow's ability against Vegeta early on can complicate for him it forces the spirit fission to remove all 4 inhibitor rings while in base or Super form against Blue/Evolution Vegeta before Vegeta going all out Also, it is stated that Chaos Emerald is turning thoughts into power, which can also affect it even if someone can drain the emerald of its power like in Adventure and the whole being immune to time is debatable since Chaos Control can be used even without the emerald as shown with Neo Devil Doom(NDD), Metal Sonic/ Metal Overlord which counter by Shadow using the real one added on he defeated his strongest foe NDD in base form with doom wing shows that Shadow is a quick learner Doom power for the first time also DB power scaling against time stop is if their power level is stronger which is problematic if base Shadow use it against Vegeta before becoming Blue Shadow has more arsenal than Vegeta as Chaos energy can be used in many ways in Sonic battle there are also other uses such as Chaos Control which manipulates space and time by making it slow down/ stop time or teleport farther if he has chaos emeralds, Chaos Blast even in Super form can be use multiple times in his own game the inhibitor ring that wasn't stated in the video can also be used in Super form amping his power even more
@ can make that same statement for vegeta. Ultra Ego Vegeta was stated by Akira and Toyotaro to be the strongest vegeta in history in a panel next to and mentioned Xeno Vegeta as well. Adding Xeno & heroes scaling to that guy would put him well above low / high complex multi. So both were generally low balled.
The way the Hit feat was explained just makes it the equivalent of saying someone's fast because they can aim dodge an attack "Goku was predicting where Hit would appear and attack" he shouldn't scale based on that explanation. There's also the matter of the BoG feat, it wasn't going to destroy the entire universe he just said "At this rate the entire universe will be destroyed" which wouldn't scale to AP; it'd be like saying I'm wall level because if I punch a wall enough it'll eventually break. Since the speed is lower then his power is lower as well as well as his speed already being lower Also no Inhibitor Ring mention, he did all that stuff while the rings on his wrists restrained his power so he's slamming Vegeta
Dragon ball fans hardest challenge is attempting to not go feral, slow brain mode when any DB character loses a fight (They ignore all factual arguments presented)
@@That1guywittheturlespfpQuite the opposite. In 2022-2024 is the year where sonic has gotten more recognise for a strength, like people still think sonic in base ain’t hyper verse or outer even tho he got the feats and statements. Sonic fans are MILLIONS of times the scalers DB fans will ever be.
For those of you guys who are saying shadow can just speed blitz vegeta with chaos control, you are wrong. In the DBS Broly movie, we saw that SSB Gogeta and Broly broke out of their universe because it could not contain their strength. They bended the fabric of time and space itself. Vegeta is stronger than SSB Gogeta so he could bend the time and space in chaos control using his strength. If shadow takes off his inhibitor rings he slams, but if not Vegeta SOLOS.
Shadow didn't kill Sonic in their battle on the Ark, but Sonic didn't succeed in his goal in destroying the Eclipse Cannon either as we see that it's still functional in Shadow the Hedgehog when he uses it to destroy the Black Comet in the true ending. It's actually revealed in the canon anime that their fight is inconclusive. Once Eggman places the last Chaos Emerald in the pedestal Gerald's failsafe program kicks in to send the Ark on a collision course to the Earth. Both Sonic and Shadow run off once the countdown starts.
Bro shadow has way better hax. Shadow neggs the verse. Some of the wincons i can say is that shadow can timetrival, warp vegeta out of bounds, warp reality, invulnerability etc
theres a weird thing in dragon ball if ur stronger or u have a good mastery of ki control u can bypass all haxs and if he warps vegeta he will use instant transmission since he learned it and invulnerability doesnt count since stronger enemys like dark gaia and the end managed to knock sonic out of his super form
@@abidobialas Didn't master roshi seal someone stronger than him with the evil spirit sealing thingy? So no db characters arent immune to hax just by being stronger. In fact wasn't guildo's(forgot his name) time stop ability able to work on gohan and krillin even though they were stronger than him
@@SayitwIsaac well master roshi died trying to seal demon king piccolo since he was stronger and uh dbs roshi tried it and almost falled unconcious in the manga he didnt use mafuba and krillin and gohan wer wer only stronger by a bit then guldo whos power level is 10 THOUsand but vegeta with a 24k or more jus snapped guldos neck
@@SayitwIsaacthat was special and he wasn't successful too and it's like krillin destructive disk which ignores durability but it couldn't work cell because he is way way stronger
I disagree with the hit’s feat being immeasurable speed because in the manga, Whis himself said that Hit’s ability only work on those who are weaker than him. Also, Super Forms have physical immunity. But W video, hope you could do more Sonic content 🙌🗣
This doesn't even negate the fact that it's immeasurable speed Goku at the start was predicting hits moves the fact that he can predict someone moving into the future shows he's immeasurable speed so sure you could argue it was just pure strength at the end but at the start he's moving at immeasurable speeds
If we think about SSG BoG Goku and Beerus almost shattering the Universe 7 macrocosim which is made up of multiple infinities, then UE Vegeta can prolly be scaled to above Outerversal
I'm not gonna lie, you'd have to give knuckles more development as a rival because they've left him out of the limelight for too long. Shadow will always scale to sonic tho
as a fan of both i can say that u didn't scale shadow correctly as you didn't even mention his inhibitor ring at all which are massive power boost if shadow take off the gate (which if we are basing ourself off shadow personality he would as he wanna end the fight fast unlike vegeta) he would one shot him before he even have time to transform in any form he wouldn't waste a second or heartbeat in other words shadow just mid to high diff vegeta
7:59 not at all it's the same thing both in the anime and in the manga, the panels shown in the video literally state that 10:35 kinda wrong it's wayy over 20k since vegito would get cooked by Beerus easily meaning a ssj3 vegito is nowhere near ssg, vegito is stated to be Stronger than ssj3 Goku in base so at the bare minimum it's 160k not 20k W vid tho👍
If Goku were to face Metal Cooler, who is incredibly fast, he could use Instant Transmission to access subspace. According to the guidebook, Metal Cooler is stated to have infinite power and boundless energy. Whether Goku and Vegeta could handle 1,000 Metal Coolers depends on their strategy. As for Shadow, it’s uncertain if he could survive against Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. Using Ultra Ego would be extremely dangerous, as it’s a form that might be too overwhelming for Shadow to stand a chance against
@ yikes I’ve hearted every comment and no one is “cooking” people are gonna disagree with anything , especially when there favorite fictional characters lose
You forgot to mention that the loss of rings while in super is in fact, just a game mechanic, and that classic sonic also does restore white space ,witch means classic has also immeasurable speed. Now , If we are to assume that sonic growth also is atributted to his speed , not just his strength , there is a possibility that in gens, modern Sonic would be Irrelevant in speed, but there is no evidence that sonic in gens was irrelevant so you can just ignore this if you want. We do see Sonic leave null space in the later games ,and cyberspace, null space being a place where nothing exists (eggman's words not mine) , and that would make sonic irrelevant in forces, but in forces sonic is just better than shadow from what we have seen.
@@snookchop5293 No they are invulnerable end of story. The only reason they could be hurt by enemies like Solaris and dark Gaia bc they are of a higher dimensionality which makes all hax from shadow and sonic useless including invulnerability hax. Shadow and Sonic have way higher dimensionality than any dragon ball character i have a whole video scaling their dimension
@@Jolynesimpnumber4 how was he nerfed in frontiers? The end was just really strong Not to mention cyber corruption being basically the opposite of chaos energy
Instant transmission doenst count as Vegetas speed as Vegeta doesn’t teleport all the time as if I remember correctly he could only use it one time as he hasn’t mastered it yet and shadow has time stop so Vegeta can’t even use instant transmission as he can’t move and shadow is definitely complex multiverse as vs Solaris who was in every timeline and shadow had to defeat him in the past and any damage he did wouldn’t effect sonic fighting Solaris in the present or silver fighting him in the future and Solaris was destroying every timeline the bad ones the good ones and everything in between making Solaris complex multiverse and shadow is confirmed to grow stronger in every fight as characters who he needed super to beat can be beaten by him in base in sonic x shadow generations where sonic in a guide book is said to move so fast he is restoring space time and shadow is relative so shadow is also as fast so shadow is way faster and shadow should be able to defeat Vegeta and yes I agree vegeta is conplex multiverse I don’t believe he is as fast and since shadow is basically invisible in super that would make shadow win although with some difficulties just because he’s faster and can simply stop time and not like hit he just stops time and can hit Vegeta with some really strong hits in that time period giving shadow the edge
It's not close Goku nor Vegeta can even contend with Whis. Sonic and Shadow fought a Nexus being who was infinitely multi-versal regardless of what version of the cosmology you choose to go by. Sonic then fought the time eater which can void out all of space time. And The END states both them niggas are finite to it's power. Then Shadow Generations comes along and Sonic and Shadow are equals. Vegeta getting smacked. DB/DBZ/DBS dont even have nexus beings in it. For a primary examples of how strong a sliver of Solaris is. The nigga is erased across all of space time and yet Mephiles exists outside of time because sealing him doesn't work as a means of destroying him. Or ridding existence of him.
Idk Shadow’s scaling from the new game, but from Frontiers going backwards vs either the anime or manga version of Vegeta, Shadow vs Vegeta is basically a weaker stat wise but stronger hax wise Sonic vs a weaker stat wise and weaker hax wise Vegeta. Even Vegeta’s Hakai with its existence erasure wouldn’t affect Shadow
Could you do Wolverine VS Knuckles? I never heard anybody debate this matchup, and I would like to see you’re opinions and scaling on this battle If not, it’s fine
Im gonna say it now i agree with the verdict i do love shadow and sonic but people seriously stop complaining about they're opinion its just an opinion
lol yeah no shadow freaking wipes vegeta solaris is way above zeno vegeta is no where near zeno and im glad people are cooking u because you sound goofy asf
absolutely nobody. shadow fans are coping rather, using an inconsistent Solaris feat which neither of the super trio scale to. Shadow is a buuku victim tbh unless you can get him layers into outer. don't take these typa comments seriously
What about power up combinations super shadow + doom wing shadow + no inhibitor rings. And if his doom power is somewhat equal to his chaos power then its like he get 2 extra emrealds.
No, Super Shadow is enough for UE Vegeta. Raw Strength - Super Shadow Speed - Super Shadow Durability - Still Super Shadow IQ - Shadow BIQ - UE Vegeta Stamina - Super Shadow AP - Super Shadow Fucking UE Vegeta still got his ass whooped by Granola on his first introduction🤦♂️ HIS FORM IS ASS.
I love both characters but everyone does miss the massive key factor with the super forms they are utterly completely invincible regardless of most factors if you can't match the strength of the emeralds let alone one you won't be able to match the being welding all 7
Shadow is hyperversal in base at a mid ball whilst vegeta isn’t getting past low complex multiversal with infinite speed. I’m sorry bro but this is a no diff stomp Shadow negs
You both forgot the realms that vegeta was going to destroy are above space and time and the time chamber itself is above metaphysical constructs I like how vegeta still got the win which he definitely does due the to scaling But you all forgot the realms scaling and even the top feat which Goku shook the infinite world of void abstract from space and time and not to mention vegeta would have IRRELEVENT speed at a high ball if he consider jirens feat of transcending time itself stated by the angels
Realistically, Vegeta vs Shadow is close, but the way you scaled them is kinda weird. Even without Solaris you can get sonic in base/super to outer. Fighting time eater is just blatantly a outer feat/character. If we're using the alternate timeline games like sonic and the secret rings, and Black Knight, (which has some shaky scaling nad isn't always consistent) you can get shadow to 5 layers into outer. frontiers dosent really increase this number, since we dont see shadow in frontiers and he dosent scale to cyber super Sonic/super Sonic 2, or the corrupted super Sonic form we saw above ss2. The only way to do that is if you argue that shadow/w doom powers is = to that. which is a massive stretch doom powers are just abilities, they don't really "buff" shadow in terms of power/speed. Now for the vegeta scale, he didnt do TOO bad, but universal being a lowball for any character in super in INSANE. all of the Z fighters (besides chiaotzu) are bare minimum Universal by the Buu saga. Yes, even tien, yamcha, and krillin. the only issue I had with the vegeta scale was that he didn't mention the best feats of these characters. That BoG feat is a good baseline, but its been surpassed multiple times in terms of visual feats. now the thing is with DB scaling, knowing what the cannon is matters ALLOT. And the average DB fan does not consider the movies, GT, or the games/sdbh to be "Cannon" because they aren't apart of the main timeline/don't fit in the timeline. Let me explain: Everything in DB is by "technicality" cannon. No, this dosent mean you can run around saying that Goku is boundless because he's cannon to all other gokus, what I'm trying to say is that "cannonicity" in DB means nothing. Timelines and Liscensing define what is and isn't cannon. For example, something that isn't cannon to the current timeline is the Z broly trilogy. It was retconned and gave us a new version of the character specific to Super. This means that the timeline with Z Broly split, like what happened with trunks when he travelled through time. that's where the MAJOR split happened for the movies, as the timeline we are in is: DB + Path to Power > DBZ (movies/wo broly) > Daima > Yo Son Goku and Freinds > DBS (movies) (When DBS finishes, it continues like this) End of Z > GT > End. THATS the timeline we're in, in terms of the anime. But the Z broly timeline is the same, but when DBS finishes, they ignore the DBS broly movie since broly already exists, and you branch off into SDBH, XenoVerse, and then Beats World. And also the TV specials are cannon to is, "minus" or "Super" Bardock wouldnt exist. just the Bardock that went SSJ, and then was taken by mira and towa. While the cannonicity is weird sometimes, *cough* Tree of Might *cough* , The movies arent made to make sense. In DB, literally anything can happen. And dont take this with a grain of salt, because LITERALLY anything can happen. One day Goku can just be flying around and end up on the Sunny with Luffy and his crew. Goku KNOWS of luffys existance and technically can jump to his timeline/world using a time machine or bypassing the rules of time. Which, isnt possible without fighting your CAC or a time patroller. which in most if not all cases, Goku is NOT beating a Time Patroller or your CAC unless its specifically CC or Xeno Goku, then they no diff them. But movies are all cannon because they are liscenced by shueisha/Bird studios and Shonen Jump. Things that by technicality couldn't happen, or wouldnt make sense, CAN and WILL happen if it needs to. The impossible becomes possible all because the story needs it to be. So now that's out of the way, with movie scaling included that should bare minimum "lowball" get vegeta to 5 Layers into Outer with immesurable speed. Even though you don't need the movies to get Vegeta to outer, you can definitely use the movies as an easy way to get him there. Other things to note: Freiza in the namek saga was a universal threat and had the power to destroy the entire universe, and that was a statement from the perspective of his 2nd form. So if we were to do that, he transforms 2 more times releasing his power. and each form made the next one look tame/miniscule. Its stated multiple times in guidebooks like El manga legendario, the Chouzenshuu, and some of the RPG guides that Otherworld, specifically Hell and the Afterlife, lack the concept of space and time. Now most people see this and go, "its an hyperbole" or "its taken out of context" well, go re-read the manga or rewatch the part of the show that show the afterlife, and just question yourself. Its never been "debunked" as, most things like "well, if it didn't have space, why is goku able to move", would be just an appeal to reality. (didn't wanna pull that card but it gets to a point...) Well for one, Goku was given a special body the first time he died, but any other time after that, he was alive in his regular body. So at the time, Goku wouldn't have been able to move without this special body and would just be a spirit, but ever since Goku exited the HTC with Gohan, he hit one of his best peaks of power, being able to enter and exit the realm casually. (bros going beyond space time and dimensions just to F with king Kai my glorious kings such a troll) So if you wanna be petty, you can say that CELL saga Goku is a layer into outer. Which, is a stretch of sorts. But if you want to be realistic, he's low multi via garlic Jr. creating a 5D-6D bare minimum hyperspace, that was broken by Gohan with a mere scream while enraged. Cell saga goku in base alone infinitely scales above that garlic Jr, not even accounting super saiyan, or grade 4, which surpasses SSJ g1 and g2 in terms of power. This puts him immesurably above garlic Jr and places him at Complex Multi being fair ( High Complex being generous) That BoG feat would be 4 layers into outer taking account the realms that were being threatening to be destroyed lacked concepts time and space. With the lowball being Low Complex Multi. (ridiculous but hey) Goku dosent always hold back, and neither does sonic so for the people who are lowballing one of the two or both off of this "fact" apparently, go reread the series. Whoever read this thank you, and also one last thing, Im not a "drip sauce goon" or a "DB wanker" I've been scaling DB characters to Outer for a while now. the only thing drip has changed my mind on is that the human level characters scale to outer. Also Saitama is fodder OPM fans you HAVE to get up. your goat caps at Solar System level, not even Saibamen level.
Okay my problem with this is, why would destorying something that lacks time and space make you scale to outer? Isn't outer being above the concept of time and space?
Shadow would take the win due to his inhibitor rings and part of his doom powers (though I think doom squid would be useless in a fight and so would the wings but cool factor if he did). Although Vegeta might have a chance and uses spirit fission to get Shadow out of Super he still has his inhibitor rings and could blitz Vegeta. Ultra Ego can only take so much before Vegeta can’t take anymore pain.
Your Vegeta scale is very wrong, high complex multiversal he would have to affect areas 11d something he clearly never did. Vegeta can also move in a place without time in fact not even up speed. If time does not automatically exist the fourth dimension does not exist. It is impossible for him to reach immeasurable speed.
Hello glad to have the captain joining this video big fan of his channel yeah vegeta as in base form should have 5d power and his transformations grants boosts up to the millions or billions and thats not mentioing the power creeps characters between arcs get between arcs as merged zamasu who fused with the future timelines and became omnipresent and transcended them meaning u can argue 6d scaling for zamasu and suppresed jirem was stated to be stronger than while suppressed and goku and vegeta by the time of the superhero arc has surpassed jiren by a huge margin also shouldnt spirit fissuon unfuse the chaos emralds from shadows body reverting him back to base
Bro sonic scales directly to Solaris I believe in his super form so what you said about shadow not being as strong as Solaris is wrong because if shadow is relative to sonic in base that means in super he would be relative to sonic which means he would be relative to Solaris.
be fr here. Vegeta doesnt stand a chance against Shadow. Keep in mind Shadow is close in matching Sonic in strength and we have seen sonics feats, him being so powerful he defeated somebody who could destroy universes and dimensions. Shadow Base with his inhibitor rings is already enough for Vegeta.
U did the scaling very wrong and no Vegeta does not win this as shadow is stronger sure ultra ego is hella strong and he has spirit fission but that literally does nothing to shadow not to mention its wraps when he turns super he literally is immune to damage and he has alot more feats and be licky if shadow just doesnt end the fight in base form he is literally that fast not to mention but alot of u forget he is really cocky thats anotger disanvange
The games he slaps with difficulty if irs archie shadow he solos all of dragonball heroes which are the strongest versions of dragonball zeno whis everyone
Wouldn’t Base Shadow be enough bc Infinite stated to be the Strongest enemy during that make Base Shadow at least 6D and Super wayyy higher but that’s if you wanna say Sonic and Shadow or equal in the current gsmes
Shadow vs vegeta isn't even close. Shadow has a immesurable speed feat (restoring time by being fast) shadow could ALSO beat solaris by himself in his super form which has been highly surpassed by even base shadow. (Sega has stated that shadow and sonic will always be equals) solaris was going to erase all the sonic dimensions (Which are infinite) and super shadow just tanked the hit normally. Huge durabillity feat. Overall shadow slams lmfao
If shadow gets hold of the 7 super emeralds and becomes hyper shadow then ultra ego vegeta would be fucked but too bad sega doesn’t give shadow a hyper form which it’s sucks because I want shadow in sonic 3 and knuckles on sonic origins plus instead of amy on sonic origins plus instead of amy
Well base Sonic (Sonic and the secret rings) Sonic is stronger than a guy named Erazer Djinn who absorb half of then 1001 Arabian nights and base Sonic beat him with little to no effort. So by default Sonic at a lowball should be uni+ to multi ironically being above goku in base.
It's funny how they don't mention shadows inhibitor rings not once
Fr 🙂↕️
if he removes them and vegeta stalls him he will prob lose his super state or lose all his energy according to sonic X or sa2 or also s06
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN'
Exactly the guy literally has limiters on his wrist and can solo half his verse
It's overkill at that point, he's gotta go easy
Well I would lean more into shadow since hit’s time skip is kinda well debatable how that works
Chaos Control on the other hand warps space and time and hold it to zero
And well in dragon ball is always the fact if you’re stronger hax don’t affect you which…is weird but anyways we have to consider also the inhibitor rings of shadow’s, yes it would drain him fast but the power increase is massive which would give vegeta’s UE a run for his money if the highball is used. And spirit fission would not matter if Vegeta wants to separate the emeralds because in Frontiers the Enda did that sonic just for him to go right back to Super
Pretty close match but lean into shadow in my opinion
And in sonic heroes and sonic x shadow generations, chaos control can only be countered by another chaos control regardless of the users power as despite neo metal being weaker then shadow his chaos control couldn't effect him.
I hate how y'all think hax not affecting you if you have a better and higher Ki is weird when Bleach uses ts aswell. Not once not twice but three times
I don't think Vegeta could overpower Shadow’s Chaos Control for two reasons. One is that since they aren't similar power systems, Chaos Energy wouldn't be affected if Vegeta had a greater amount/more powerful Ki and the effects of Chaos Control would probably still take effect. The second reason is the emeralds having infinite power; which I do not think means Super Shadow would be unstoppable, but he would have unlimited energy therefore always having a higher amount of energy than Vegeta, making it impossible for him to overpower his hax abilities.
@@chaser_mixer2958Not to mention, in the manga Whis states that Hit’s time skip only work if he is stronger then his opponent.
@@mastrsonic375 that and people don't understand how it works, Hit does his technique is called, time skipping, Chaos Control, controls time itself (along with space).
Even ignoring that, It's never been shown that chaos control can be overpowered by anyone, unlike timeskip.
to add on to shadow’s argument, shadow was holding back against sonic during their fight in generations
first of all, I am Vegeta
Second of all, your not Vegeta
Third of all, you wanna be Vegeta but you can't be Vegeta because I am Vegeta
Facts
First of all, u have a big head
Second of all, your a fodder
Third of all, u wanna be strong but u can't be strong because u get no diffed
Lots of DBZ fanboys. Lets keep them ignorant since we all know the fax and Shadow beat Vegeta no diff
@@caroledwards6962 not a Cartoon Beatbox Battles fan I see. I pity you
@@YellowPro47 I am actually I was just roasted vegeta
There is one bit of scaling that you may have forgotten as Sonic in Sonic Shuffle did play a hand in defeating Void, who scaled above Maginaryworld and as he was going to destroy all of it and Sonic is one of the four people to defeat him and they all did this in their base forms. This game was before Sonic Adventure 2, so Shadow should scale to this Sonic. This is 5-D scaling as simply hurting a 5-D being makes you 5-D. After all infinity divided by anything that isn't zero is still infinity. Then there's also the scaling for Sonic and the Secret Rings (which are canon to the mainline as they were referenced in Sonic Generations by Sonic verbatim). In the game has Sonic, while weakened with his lifeforce draining away, was able to take on an amped Erazor Djinn who was absorbing a good amount of the Arabian Nights stories and was even going to affect and threaten Sonic's world. This makes Sonic bare minimum (and by extension Shadow due to him regularly scaling to Sonic) Low-Multiversal (x2 above baseline) to POSSIBLY one notch above baseline Multiversal (x1002 above baseline as there are 1001 stories in the Arabian Nights that MAY be their own universes, plus one extra for Sonic's world, but this is a speculative highball).
Even when forgetting that, Shadow DID actually fight Emerl who absorbed all Seven Chaos Emeralds, to which all Seven are able to power the Final Egg Blaster which is capable of destroying entire star systems not unlike the Eclipse Cannon. And THIS was a Shadow that just recovered from an injury in the game. This would make a lowballed Shadow Multi-Solar System. Then, in the new Shadow Generations, Shadow takes on Metal Overlord. The same Metal Overlord that took three Super Forms to defeat and he does this in his base form.
If you use Sonic Shuffle feats, all you have to do is apply the similar scaling you used before in the video and upscale it from there, which makes Shadow actually well into Complex Multiversal in base to a highballed well into Outerversal.
Another bit of scaling he forgot is that it's stated in a guide that Super Sonic alone could destroy Solaris were it not for his Omnipresence.
@@jamainegardner4193 Yeah, Super Shadow and Super Silver were needed in order to destroy Solaris in each era of time, the past, present, and future. So the Super Hedgehogs, individually, scale roughly to Solaris, however it's tricky since Solaris couldn't physically be destroy and instead they targeted his mind.
it's not 5D as Sonic from CD already scales to High-Outer [11D] from transcending spacetime to a transfinite and archetypal level.
@inksinkanimates8921 Yeah, no. That's not how that works. Let's not get into wank territory. High-Outer is NOT 11-D. Outerversal is beyond the concept of dimensionality. 11-D would be Complex Multiversal. Above that is Hyperversal, which is Infinite-Dimensionality.
Sonic CD can't be scaled that high simply because of the alleged breaking the time barrier feat. Speed tier doesn't equal actual dimensional tiering and, not only that, that isn't really a 11-D feat at all.
not canon
in Shadow Gens, Shadow does the same thing as Sonic where he restores time with his speed
So he has irrelevant speed?
No that’s be inaccessible which I’m pretty sure is one under immeasurable speed. Although I personally don’t understand how vegeta got immeasurable speed.
Of course People can’t scale Sonic characters correctly
Yeah, Their video game characters, Harder to scale than just some Comic or Anime/Cartoon. Plus people don't like getting to know sonic well enough for some reason.🤷🏾♂️
If it was then why db is the first one to get downplayed by stupid scaler in the first place
This guy even show the guide book of the shadows chaos emeralds that doesn't mean it would be hard
@@JamesAlibanjr bro he technically said one chaos emerald is planetary AND he said that the solaris feat doesn’t give Shadow the Ap when it does
A single chaos emerald is universal at minimum because each one contains a universe as shown in Sonic R where you race inside a chaos emerald.
Shadow scales significantly higher. Ultra Ego would be a problem but chaos control literally stops time and Shadow would blitz Vegeta. Not to mention how the super forms are quite literally invulnerable to physical attacks. So forced spirit fission wouldn’t do anything because hitting shadow wouldn’t even affect him 🫡 nice video though, you did a pretty good job scaling both characters even though you got shadow’s scaling a bit off since if he is relative to Sonic he’d be in the high hyperversal-low outerversal ranges of AP
this is legit so fax
From what you described, Ultra Ego wouldn’t be a problem at all even if he fusion danced with MUI Goku and then that fusion potara fused with Beast Gohan 💀
DBS ain’t touching High Hyperversal to Low Outerversal as it stands now
@@jocoolshow i only said that via the fact it gets stronger over time
Saying time stop doesn't work on Vegeta is absolutely insane. *Cough cough Guldo*
Well in that case he was far more right Vegeta absolutely stumps. Considering base Vegeta is far beyond current Goku who is above Blue Goku that was somewhat on par with alrale and she's Outerversal many times over Vegeta scales to high Outerversal and it's not even a contest
Shadow doesn’t get tired, he’s like Cell and the androids
Any form of Vegeta gets slammed unless it's water Vegeta
cell gets tired...
bro said "shadow dosent get tired" after the multitude of games where he visibly gets tired after fights or beaten. He does NOT have inf stamina.
cell dosent get tired, he just will show visible stress from the damage he has taking. not getting "tierd" dosent mean you can ignore pain and your cells (unironically enough) that your opponent is beating the breaks off of you
@@crashtime3429 is that why he panting like a dog until goku gives him a senzu?
Shadow slams end of story 😭🙏
Edit for people who want proof: Solaris destroyed Sonic’s cosmology by just existing and its been stated multiple times that sonic call cosmology has infinite dimensions and multiple of those dimensions do not have time or space. Infinite was stated to be sonic’s strongest villain and this is consistent to every single manual or guidebook that we get at the time the game released. Then base sonic after 6 months beats him in base. Eggman then makes a mech even stronger than infinite and sonic with the help of his past self an the avatar beats him and Sonic gets even stronger in Frontiers due to the cypher energy and Shadow has always been relative to sonic which makes sonic and shadow in base high outer due to they’re cosmology and infinite statements. As their speed Sonic was restoring his timelines along with his cosmology in generations by just RUNNING FAST. This is instantly immeasurable speed feat, sonic is also able to move in the null realm which is an infinite safe without time or space. As for DBZ the only outer characters they have is the Grand priest, angles and Zeno and that’s me being GENEROUS cuz being outer put you above the concept of life and death which the angels ARENT idk about Zeno tho. As for Goku and Vegeta they’re best feat is nearly destroying the DB cosmology in SSJG which gets them to complex multi. Also SSJG in the movie is stronger than the one Goku and Vegeta use now that’s why Beerus had to use 75% in the movie but not against Vegeta when he was SSJBE. Also Idk what the video says they high balled DB and low balled Sonic. 😭🙏
I wanted the video and I can say that’s it wrong DB fans just can’t expect that.
Facts he slams Db Verse💀
@ no diff at all too and all at the same time
@@Remote.1s get off bros meat
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@Remote.1s yeah no he doesn't I see u didnt bother watching the video at all just being biased as usually you sonic fans
There's no "CONSISTENT" interpretation for immeasurable speed or infinite speed in Dragon ball WTF 😂...
1. You used the fact that Goku was moving in a TL Zeno erased but your not adding the fact that Trunks could also move in such space, Are you saying Trunks has Immeasurable/infinite speed? Lmao and Zeno who was moving there couldn't keep up to the average fighter in Tournament of power
2. Hits timeskip doesn't stop time, it's literally in the damn name timeskip😂, Both you and hit can move in TS cuz it's only skipping your next action within such time... Goku countered Time skip by Predicting hits change of movement within it and acting accordingly not by having "immeasurable/infinite" speed
3.Granola's technique Being faster than instant transmission is simply due to the method of him casting it being faster, Granola is using instant transmission just casting it faster, Vegeta can't be scaled to this because Granola used a technique not his raw speed, this is confirmed when Gas was said to have all granola's abilities after the wish then Gas proceeds to cast instant transmission
Again there's nothing like an immeasurable/Infinite speed meta in Dragon Ball
Huge copium
A smart DB fan I salute you for reading the series
@@SuperiorGokuGTyou still haven’t proved me wrong so get outta here
@@Remote.1s you mean that nonsensical rubbish? You kept running your mouth 🤣 I’m not reading that trash
@@SuperiorGokuGT Did you don’t have the balls to even try to read it then you know I’m right, you know I’m a better scaler, and you know you have an evidence to prove my claim is wrong
Goku moving in Hit's timeskip isn't a speed feat, it's just how powers work in dbz. Not only that, but Chaos Control has to be some sort of higher level of time stop, cause it can still stop Sonic despite him being able to move where there was no time. That means Vegeta wouldn't be able to move in Chaos Control. I think the fight is close, but I would give it to Shadow honestly.
Saying Instant Transmission which is a Teleport is IMMEASURABLE SPEED is INSANEEEEE no way he said that
Average dragon ball scaler
DB is just LIKE THAT.
@@crashtime3429 nah now that's just capping
Wild scaling with NO proof 😭 As a DB can we DO NOT claim THAT THEORY
Well, it is literal instant, you can't really measure the speed of just, popping from one place to another can you?
Well a few more things
The immeasurable speed arguemnts for vegeta can be debunked
Shadow breaking the arm of solaris should actually put him at a relative ap
Its more consistent for shadow to win taking those things into account
Vegetas immeasurable speeds can be Rebenked very Easley actually.
They are both immeasurable.
Shadow is just deeper into immeasurable them Vegeta.
Vegeta has 5d and even 6d.
You lowballed shadow and the sonic franchise in general pretty heavily here, classic sonic already time travels with his raw movement speed for example
I don't mean to be disrespectful but you lowballed shadow so hard
So true
He also did with Vegeta as well
@scotland8906 Everybody lowballs shadow, they literally think his inhibitor rings make him weaker plus each game was a circumstance where shadow was either holding back, standing aside, or stalling for time. The dude is physically superior to sonic in the strength and durability category because of his lab origin, and they feel he is weaker like stop it.
He wanked a planet level at best character to universal. Yeah, totally lowballed
@@camaramccoy9807 I wouldn't go far to say he superior, the games really hammer it in that Shadow and Sonic are equals, and even then, Shadow normally loses to Sonic (even admitted that Sonic may be the true ultimate lifeform)
Shadow has dark shadow hero shadow, chaos boost, chaos shadow and should be able to change fate as sonic can do this and law aswell
Base Shadow dusts his boots off on Ultra Ego's big ass forehead
Bro turns into a neanderthal when he uses ultra ego
Create your own happiness lil bro
@@K7HIPread my comment (top one probably) and you’ll understand
@ holy yap
Yeah, that's the reason Archie Shadow vs like any strong alt version of Vegeta like Xeno or CC is a much better matchup idea.
900th like of this video and nice interesting video
The video and the thumbnail are awesome, but one thing in this thumbnail seems a “little” weird
The video is amazing and very well put together and the scaling through out the video is pretty consistent but there are 2 points I'd like to make for shadow 1. S.Sonic in the 06 gamebook guide is said to be able to beat solaris by himself which would upscale shadow and 2. In the same game shadow takes off his inhibitor rings giving him a boost stronger than 2 chaos emeralds but other than those 2 points like I said Perfect video don't slow down man!!!
That is true
Sonic, Shadow and Silver could beat Solaris by themselves but they needed to work together to destroy him in all time periods at once
@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842and the crazy part they didn’t kill Solaris they only subdued it temporarily so Sonic and Elise could blow out the flames of disaster so Solaris essentially gets server booted from the timeline
Well that's assuming that they meant Solaris all at once since Solaris was omnipresent throughout all eras of time. Thus, having help from both Shadow and Silver would make taking Solaris out much more assured. It wouldn't really upscale Sonic over Shadow or Silver. They all equalize at this point.
@@ZioEndling it’s all up to interpretation I was mainly using it as a point to say frontiers sonic could beat solaris solo and I should have said that my bad
@@ZioEndling not to mention that they were pretty equalized in their base forms too
Judging by the reaction of the comments, Vegeta won in this match up.
I'd personally like to debate this topic with you. I don't only think Shadow is enough for Vegeta but for the entire Dragon Ball verse.
Game shadow might have SOME trouble with Vegeta, but isn’t the super form said to cause the wish that the user grants (talking about shadow and sonic here) so if that’s true.. couldn’t shadow just erase Vegeta from existence due to this reality-bending state that the super form has.. but Vegeta might not make TIME for shadow to do such thing so..
@@MahitoPlush Super forms can't warp reality in the games. That's Archie
@@rendismowerto2481 but the games AND archie still state that the chaos emeralds are based around thoughts, so couldnt shadow do that?
@@MahitoPlush yeah, the Emerald allow the user to bring their imagination to reality, between Shadow freezing time, warping and time traveling with chaos control, and Sonic actually being revived in 06 due to Elise’s wish with the seven gems.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 thanks for confirming it, i wasnt sure as i heard about it almost a couple months it
Did bro forgot the inhibitor rings that shadow has that he can just take them off to go all out and defeat vegeta faster?
Another win con that Vegeta has is Forced Spirit Fission. If Shadow were to go Super, Vegeta would be able to just separate him from the Chaos Emeralds with this technique.
Forced spirit fisión only works on chi, and fusion and he needs to actually hit shadow which would be impossible.
@ 1. FSF works on fusions. 2. Chaos energy and Ki can be equalized. 3. Both of them have similar levels of speed as shown in the video so yes Vegeta can hit Shadow.
@ Chi and chaos energy cannot be equalised as chi represents the mind According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three parts:
Genki: Means "vigor"
Yūki: Means "courage"
Shōki: Means "right-mindedness"
All of these things are good traits to have and if you have them you’ve mastered chi. However chaos energy is completely different it’s called chaos energy for a reason the chaos energy represents disorder and while you can use positive and negative energy both sides at the end of the day mean the same thing absolute disaster or disorder. So no you can’t equalise chi and chaos energy the two are completely different.
@@burnscooper892although there’s one thing Vegeta don’t got Chais control bs, also doom powers are now a thing and that’s simply just apart of shadow Ms dba and in Gens it shows he is basically invulnerable idk if he is actually is invulnerable outside of the game and in canon I still need to check
@ Also Vegeta ain’t as fast as Shadow I’m getting that straight as instant transmission isn’t instant the only way you can hit someone who is using it is by predicting where they are going to go which is what everyone does. If they had infinite speed why would they need Whis to travel to different planets if their speed is instant? It even takes Whis a few minutes to do so. 😭🙏
I generally think that Shadow can win against Vegeta in more time than Vegeta can as stated Vegeta tends to have a habit of overthinking and having a huge Ego as shown in Granola Arc since he hasn't mastered the transformation yet also whole Ki can be depleted quite fast if he uses the final explosion as an example which takes a long time to charge which also applies to Ki there is also the fact that Chaos Emerald can be viewed as magical artifact which spirit fission might not work
Sure Vegeta got the spirit fission which some people say can affect super form but it might also backfire if we take into account that the inhibitor can also be viewed as an object, like Chaos Emerald, which, in this case, is limiting Shadow's ability against Vegeta early on can complicate for him it forces the spirit fission to remove all 4 inhibitor rings while in base or Super form against Blue/Evolution Vegeta before Vegeta going all out
Also, it is stated that Chaos Emerald is turning thoughts into power, which can also affect it even if someone can drain the emerald of its power like in Adventure and the whole being immune to time is debatable since Chaos Control can be used even without the emerald as shown with Neo Devil Doom(NDD), Metal Sonic/ Metal Overlord which counter by Shadow using the real one added on he defeated his strongest foe NDD in base form with doom wing shows that Shadow is a quick learner Doom power for the first time also DB power scaling against time stop is if their power level is stronger which is problematic if base Shadow use it against Vegeta before becoming Blue
Shadow has more arsenal than Vegeta as Chaos energy can be used in many ways in Sonic battle there are also other uses such as Chaos Control which manipulates space and time by making it slow down/ stop time or teleport farther if he has chaos emeralds, Chaos Blast even in Super form can be use multiple times in his own game the inhibitor ring that wasn't stated in the video can also be used in Super form amping his power even more
People are crying cause their furry vegeta doesn’t beat the original.
Having to use cope to negate feats when shadow isn’t consistent neither.
this video was still lowballing shadow, respect to creator though
@ can make that same statement for vegeta. Ultra Ego Vegeta was stated by Akira and Toyotaro to be the strongest vegeta in history in a panel next to and mentioned Xeno Vegeta as well. Adding Xeno & heroes scaling to that guy would put him well above low / high complex multi. So both were generally low balled.
@@MadderEmo well, isnt this anime/manga and game shadow?
@@Crussly1 why would that matter if I’m saying the manga vegeta is above all vegetas included the game ones.
@@MadderEmo but xeno isnt canon, and the scaling from that series never happened in dbs
The way the Hit feat was explained just makes it the equivalent of saying someone's fast because they can aim dodge an attack "Goku was predicting where Hit would appear and attack" he shouldn't scale based on that explanation. There's also the matter of the BoG feat, it wasn't going to destroy the entire universe he just said "At this rate the entire universe will be destroyed" which wouldn't scale to AP; it'd be like saying I'm wall level because if I punch a wall enough it'll eventually break. Since the speed is lower then his power is lower as well as well as his speed already being lower
Also no Inhibitor Ring mention, he did all that stuff while the rings on his wrists restrained his power so he's slamming Vegeta
Chaos control not only warps time and space it converts the users thoughts into power nice vid tho
first of all, I am vegeta.
Someone oughta pay $50k for this fight lmao
Dragon ball fans hardest challenge is attempting to not go feral, slow brain mode when any DB character loses a fight (They ignore all factual arguments presented)
Vegeta won by this person's admission tho
@@rendismowerto2481 yeah, but by downplaying Shadow's feats.
Are you slow?? Sonic fans do the SAME thing😭
@@That1guywittheturlespfpQuite the opposite. In 2022-2024 is the year where sonic has gotten more recognise for a strength, like people still think sonic in base ain’t hyper verse or outer even tho he got the feats and statements. Sonic fans are MILLIONS of times the scalers DB fans will ever be.
@Remote.1s Over the past months you have been in reply sections non stop glazing for NO REASON, WE GET IT YOU LIKE SONIC
For those of you guys who are saying shadow can just speed blitz vegeta with chaos control, you are wrong. In the DBS Broly movie, we saw that SSB Gogeta and Broly broke out of their universe because it could not contain their strength. They bended the fabric of time and space itself. Vegeta is stronger than SSB Gogeta so he could bend the time and space in chaos control using his strength. If shadow takes off his inhibitor rings he slams, but if not Vegeta SOLOS.
Let it be known that hit’s time skip isn’t hit stopping time. It’s him skipping through time
Shadow didn't kill Sonic in their battle on the Ark, but Sonic didn't succeed in his goal in destroying the Eclipse Cannon either as we see that it's still functional in Shadow the Hedgehog when he uses it to destroy the Black Comet in the true ending. It's actually revealed in the canon anime that their fight is inconclusive. Once Eggman places the last Chaos Emerald in the pedestal Gerald's failsafe program kicks in to send the Ark on a collision course to the Earth. Both Sonic and Shadow run off once the countdown starts.
Bro shadow has way better hax. Shadow neggs the verse. Some of the wincons i can say is that shadow can timetrival, warp vegeta out of bounds, warp reality, invulnerability etc
theres a weird thing in dragon ball if ur stronger or u have a good mastery of ki control u can bypass all haxs and if he warps vegeta he will use instant transmission since he learned it and invulnerability doesnt count since stronger enemys like dark gaia and the end managed to knock sonic out of his super form
@@abidobialas Didn't master roshi seal someone stronger than him with the evil spirit sealing thingy? So no db characters arent immune to hax just by being stronger. In fact wasn't guildo's(forgot his name) time stop ability able to work on gohan and krillin even though they were stronger than him
@@SayitwIsaac well master roshi died trying to seal demon king piccolo since he was stronger and uh dbs roshi tried it and almost falled unconcious in the manga he didnt use mafuba and krillin and gohan wer wer only stronger by a bit then guldo whos power level is 10 THOUsand but vegeta with a 24k or more jus snapped guldos neck
@@abidobialas but the timestop still worked didnt it? he only killed him after guildo deactivated it
@@SayitwIsaacthat was special and he wasn't successful too and it's like krillin destructive disk which ignores durability but it couldn't work cell because he is way way stronger
I disagree with the hit’s feat being immeasurable speed because in the manga, Whis himself said that Hit’s ability only work on those who are weaker than him. Also, Super Forms have physical immunity. But W video, hope you could do more Sonic content 🙌🗣
So if Dr Manhattan tried to stop time on The living Tribunal would that means he's not faster than time ?
This doesn't even negate the fact that it's immeasurable speed Goku at the start was predicting hits moves the fact that he can predict someone moving into the future shows he's immeasurable speed so sure you could argue it was just pure strength at the end but at the start he's moving at immeasurable speeds
Hell they go so far to say that Goku forced himself into the future
I don't give a damn about who wins all i care about is that theres finally a debate video that doesnt include Sonic 😭 🙏
"First of all, I am Vegeta. Second of all, you're not Vegeta. Third of all, you want to be Vegeta but you can't be Vegeta, cus I am Vegeta"
-Vegeta
Ive barely seen anyone mention "infinite zamasu "when comparing power in db scaling ⚖️
even i know that saying Shadow can destroy planets just cuz classic Sonic destroyed the death egg robot just doesn’t make sense
also the death egg destroys stars
I AM ALL OF ME 🔥
If we think about SSG BoG Goku and Beerus almost shattering the Universe 7 macrocosim which is made up of multiple infinities, then UE Vegeta can prolly be scaled to above Outerversal
Hot take : shadow isn't close to sonic's level at all
Knuckles's a better rival
I'm not gonna lie, you'd have to give knuckles more development as a rival because they've left him out of the limelight for too long.
Shadow will always scale to sonic tho
as a fan of both i can say that u didn't scale shadow correctly as you didn't even mention his inhibitor ring at all which are massive power boost if shadow take off the gate (which if we are basing ourself off shadow personality he would as he wanna end the fight fast unlike vegeta) he would one shot him before he even have time to transform in any form he wouldn't waste a second or heartbeat in other words shadow just mid to high diff vegeta
7:59 not at all it's the same thing both in the anime and in the manga, the panels shown in the video literally state that
10:35 kinda wrong it's wayy over 20k since vegito would get cooked by Beerus easily meaning a ssj3 vegito is nowhere near ssg, vegito is stated to be Stronger than ssj3 Goku in base so at the bare minimum it's 160k not 20k
W vid tho👍
Goku scales to universal with SSJ by the fact he absorbed SSG
Sonic should be like planetary with super form
Outerversal? Why?
If Goku were to face Metal Cooler, who is incredibly fast, he could use Instant Transmission to access subspace. According to the guidebook, Metal Cooler is stated to have infinite power and boundless energy. Whether Goku and Vegeta could handle 1,000 Metal Coolers depends on their strategy. As for Shadow, it’s uncertain if he could survive against Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. Using Ultra Ego would be extremely dangerous, as it’s a form that might be too overwhelming for Shadow to stand a chance against
That movie isn't canon tho
@@AydenWilliams-z3kcanon
@@pasty188 its not canon. If that was the case they’d be equal to like mui goku in z.
@@pasty188the only dbz movies that are canon are BoG and RoF, it's been made clear that they're non-canon.
@@pasty188 It is canon to GT since all the movie villains are there but not Super
the comment section is cooking this guy
where
They not
@JayJohnson-ls3eq what are you talking about? I'm literally see it. Lots of the top comments are saying otherwise
@@rhemv Everywhere 😂
@ yikes I’ve hearted every comment and no one is “cooking” people are gonna disagree with anything , especially when there favorite fictional characters lose
Didnt use archie and game shadow is definitely above complex multiversal
Game Sonic verse is planet level lmao
You forgot to mention that the loss of rings while in super is in fact, just a game mechanic, and that classic sonic also does restore white space ,witch means classic has also immeasurable speed. Now , If we are to assume that sonic growth also is atributted to his speed , not just his strength , there is a possibility that in gens, modern Sonic would be Irrelevant in speed, but there is no evidence that sonic in gens was irrelevant so you can just ignore this if you want. We do see Sonic leave null space in the later games ,and cyberspace, null space being a place where nothing exists (eggman's words not mine) , and that would make sonic irrelevant in forces, but in forces sonic is just better than shadow from what we have seen.
There is also one feat that shadow have but not vegeta: shadow can survive in vacuum space😂
Sega. The chaos emeralds shouldn't be the solution to everything
I think Shadow wins still but barely since Shadow physically can’t get harmed really since every super form is invulnerable
They’re invulnerable to a point. If they literally couldn’t be hurt by anyone, then it would be a no limits fallacy.
@@snookchop5293 No they are invulnerable end of story. The only reason they could be hurt by enemies like Solaris and dark Gaia bc they are of a higher dimensionality which makes all hax from shadow and sonic useless including invulnerability hax. Shadow and Sonic have way higher dimensionality than any dragon ball character i have a whole video scaling their dimension
@@snookchop5293 thats a fair point
but do note that to hurt super forms you need power equatable to multiverse destroyers
and thats to just HURT them
@@be7256 and the only time Sonic genuinely lost his super form was simply because he was nerfed in frontiers.
@@Jolynesimpnumber4 how was he nerfed in frontiers?
The end was just really strong
Not to mention cyber corruption being basically the opposite of chaos energy
Do you have a discord account?.
Instant transmission doenst count as Vegetas speed as Vegeta doesn’t teleport all the time as if I remember correctly he could only use it one time as he hasn’t mastered it yet and shadow has time stop so Vegeta can’t even use instant transmission as he can’t move and shadow is definitely complex multiverse as vs Solaris who was in every timeline and shadow had to defeat him in the past and any damage he did wouldn’t effect sonic fighting Solaris in the present or silver fighting him in the future and Solaris was destroying every timeline the bad ones the good ones and everything in between making Solaris complex multiverse and shadow is confirmed to grow stronger in every fight as characters who he needed super to beat can be beaten by him in base in sonic x shadow generations where sonic in a guide book is said to move so fast he is restoring space time and shadow is relative so shadow is also as fast so shadow is way faster and shadow should be able to defeat Vegeta and yes I agree vegeta is conplex multiverse I don’t believe he is as fast and since shadow is basically invisible in super that would make shadow win although with some difficulties just because he’s faster and can simply stop time and not like hit he just stops time and can hit Vegeta with some really strong hits in that time period giving shadow the edge
forgot super with no inhibitor rings
but great video
It's not close Goku nor Vegeta can even contend with Whis. Sonic and Shadow fought a Nexus being who was infinitely multi-versal regardless of what version of the cosmology you choose to go by. Sonic then fought the time eater which can void out all of space time. And The END states both them niggas are finite to it's power. Then Shadow Generations comes along and Sonic and Shadow are equals. Vegeta getting smacked. DB/DBZ/DBS dont even have nexus beings in it. For a primary examples of how strong a sliver of Solaris is. The nigga is erased across all of space time and yet Mephiles exists outside of time because sealing him doesn't work as a means of destroying him. Or ridding existence of him.
Nobody in the Sonic verse is above planet level
Idk Shadow’s scaling from the new game, but from Frontiers going backwards vs either the anime or manga version of Vegeta, Shadow vs Vegeta is basically a weaker stat wise but stronger hax wise Sonic vs a weaker stat wise and weaker hax wise Vegeta. Even Vegeta’s Hakai with its existence erasure wouldn’t affect Shadow
Could you do Wolverine VS Knuckles? I never heard anybody debate this matchup, and I would like to see you’re opinions and scaling on this battle
If not, it’s fine
Close but imma give it to my boy knuckles
Im gonna say it now i agree with the verdict i do love shadow and sonic but people seriously stop complaining about they're opinion its just an opinion
lol yeah no shadow freaking wipes vegeta solaris is way above zeno vegeta is no where near zeno and im glad people are cooking u because you sound goofy asf
@@Toddles who’s cooking me
absolutely nobody. shadow fans are coping rather, using an inconsistent Solaris feat which neither of the super trio scale to.
Shadow is a buuku victim tbh unless you can get him layers into outer. don't take these typa comments seriously
Not that serious pal
Solaris doesn't have any feats besides losing to Super forms who struggle with planet level fodders
Solaris is no where near zeno. Hell infinite zamasu sweeps
You didn’t even mention his inhibitors rings
As a fan of both franchises id say it heavily depends on the version of the character.
Shadow (sonic boom) < kid vegeta < shadow (sonic x)
What about power up combinations super shadow + doom wing shadow + no inhibitor rings. And if his doom power is somewhat equal to his chaos power then its like he get 2 extra emrealds.
No, Super Shadow is enough for UE Vegeta.
Raw Strength - Super Shadow
Speed - Super Shadow
Durability - Still Super Shadow
IQ - Shadow
BIQ - UE Vegeta
Stamina - Super Shadow
AP - Super Shadow
Fucking UE Vegeta still got his ass whooped by Granola on his first introduction🤦♂️ HIS FORM IS ASS.
The fact you pronounced "Solaris" incorrectly tells me all that I need to know.
my fault mr perfect
I love both characters but everyone does miss the massive key factor with the super forms they are utterly completely invincible regardless of most factors if you can't match the strength of the emeralds let alone one you won't be able to match the being welding all 7
Unpopular Opinion: Super Shadow (Uninhibited) = Ultra Ego Vegeta
yo do how strong is shadic
Shadic would probably be Outer - a layer into High outer depending of the versions of sonic and shadow fusing. But they would cap at High Outer.
@@crashtime3429yeah, he literally chased Nazo into purgatory just to stop him from coming back into the normal world
@@josh4566 Shadic at bare minimum would be like Hyperversal if we use game scaling. If we account Archie then he'd be layers into Extraversal
@@sphera4147 i see i see. i like that.
@@EldritchSama lol bro was on hall of fame chase down. Prestige fusion tactics.
Shadow is hyperversal in base at a mid ball whilst vegeta isn’t getting past low complex multiversal with infinite speed. I’m sorry bro but this is a no diff stomp Shadow negs
outerversal with solaris statements
Vegeta's outer
You both forgot the realms that vegeta was going to destroy are above space and time and the time chamber itself is above metaphysical constructs
I like how vegeta still got the win which he definitely does due the to scaling
But you all forgot the realms scaling and even the top feat which Goku shook the infinite world of void abstract from space and time and not to mention vegeta would have IRRELEVENT speed at a high ball if he consider jirens feat of transcending time itself stated by the angels
Realistically, Vegeta vs Shadow is close, but the way you scaled them is kinda weird. Even without Solaris you can get sonic in base/super to outer. Fighting time eater is just blatantly a outer feat/character.
If we're using the alternate timeline games like sonic and the secret rings, and Black Knight, (which has some shaky scaling nad isn't always consistent) you can get shadow to 5 layers into outer. frontiers dosent really increase this number, since we dont see shadow in frontiers and he dosent scale to cyber super Sonic/super Sonic 2, or the corrupted super Sonic form we saw above ss2. The only way to do that is if you argue that shadow/w doom powers is = to that. which is a massive stretch doom powers are just abilities, they don't really "buff" shadow in terms of power/speed.
Now for the vegeta scale, he didnt do TOO bad, but universal being a lowball for any character in super in INSANE. all of the Z fighters (besides chiaotzu) are bare minimum Universal by the Buu saga. Yes, even tien, yamcha, and krillin. the only issue I had with the vegeta scale was that he didn't mention the best feats of these characters. That BoG feat is a good baseline, but its been surpassed multiple times in terms of visual feats.
now the thing is with DB scaling, knowing what the cannon is matters ALLOT. And the average DB fan does not consider the movies, GT, or the games/sdbh to be "Cannon" because they aren't apart of the main timeline/don't fit in the timeline.
Let me explain: Everything in DB is by "technicality" cannon. No, this dosent mean you can run around saying that Goku is boundless because he's cannon to all other gokus, what I'm trying to say is that "cannonicity" in DB means nothing. Timelines and Liscensing define what is and isn't cannon.
For example, something that isn't cannon to the current timeline is the Z broly trilogy. It was retconned and gave us a new version of the character specific to Super. This means that the timeline with Z Broly split, like what happened with trunks when he travelled through time. that's where the MAJOR split happened for the movies, as the timeline we are in is:
DB + Path to Power > DBZ (movies/wo broly) > Daima > Yo Son Goku and Freinds > DBS (movies) (When DBS finishes, it continues like this) End of Z > GT > End. THATS the timeline we're in, in terms of the anime.
But the Z broly timeline is the same, but when DBS finishes, they ignore the DBS broly movie since broly already exists, and you branch off into SDBH, XenoVerse, and then Beats World. And also the TV specials are cannon to is, "minus" or "Super" Bardock wouldnt exist. just the Bardock that went SSJ, and then was taken by mira and towa.
While the cannonicity is weird sometimes, *cough* Tree of Might *cough* , The movies arent made to make sense. In DB, literally anything can happen. And dont take this with a grain of salt, because LITERALLY anything can happen. One day Goku can just be flying around and end up on the Sunny with Luffy and his crew. Goku KNOWS of luffys existance and technically can jump to his timeline/world using a time machine or bypassing the rules of time. Which, isnt possible without fighting your CAC or a time patroller. which in most if not all cases, Goku is NOT beating a Time Patroller or your CAC unless its specifically CC or Xeno Goku, then they no diff them.
But movies are all cannon because they are liscenced by shueisha/Bird studios and Shonen Jump. Things that by technicality couldn't happen, or wouldnt make sense, CAN and WILL happen if it needs to. The impossible becomes possible all because the story needs it to be.
So now that's out of the way, with movie scaling included that should bare minimum "lowball" get vegeta to 5 Layers into Outer with immesurable speed. Even though you don't need the movies to get Vegeta to outer, you can definitely use the movies as an easy way to get him there.
Other things to note:
Freiza in the namek saga was a universal threat and had the power to destroy the entire universe, and that was a statement from the perspective of his 2nd form. So if we were to do that, he transforms 2 more times releasing his power. and each form made the next one look tame/miniscule.
Its stated multiple times in guidebooks like El manga legendario, the Chouzenshuu, and some of the RPG guides that Otherworld, specifically Hell and the Afterlife, lack the concept of space and time. Now most people see this and go, "its an hyperbole" or "its taken out of context" well, go re-read the manga or rewatch the part of the show that show the afterlife, and just question yourself. Its never been "debunked" as, most things like "well, if it didn't have space, why is goku able to move", would be just an appeal to reality.
(didn't wanna pull that card but it gets to a point...)
Well for one, Goku was given a special body the first time he died, but any other time after that, he was alive in his regular body. So at the time, Goku wouldn't have been able to move without this special body and would just be a spirit, but ever since Goku exited the HTC with Gohan, he hit one of his best peaks of power, being able to enter and exit the realm casually.
(bros going beyond space time and dimensions just to F with king Kai my glorious kings such a troll)
So if you wanna be petty, you can say that CELL saga Goku is a layer into outer. Which, is a stretch of sorts. But if you want to be realistic, he's low multi via garlic Jr. creating a 5D-6D bare minimum hyperspace, that was broken by Gohan with a mere scream while enraged.
Cell saga goku in base alone infinitely scales above that garlic Jr, not even accounting super saiyan, or grade 4, which surpasses SSJ g1 and g2 in terms of power. This puts him immesurably above garlic Jr and places him at Complex Multi being fair ( High Complex being generous)
That BoG feat would be 4 layers into outer taking account the realms that were being threatening to be destroyed lacked concepts time and space. With the lowball being Low Complex Multi. (ridiculous but hey)
Goku dosent always hold back, and neither does sonic so for the people who are lowballing one of the two or both off of this "fact" apparently, go reread the series.
Whoever read this thank you, and also one last thing, Im not a "drip sauce goon" or a "DB wanker" I've been scaling DB characters to Outer for a while now. the only thing drip has changed my mind on is that the human level characters scale to outer.
Also Saitama is fodder OPM fans you HAVE to get up. your goat caps at Solar System level, not even Saibamen level.
Wow
Bro wrote a whole essay
Okay my problem with this is, why would destorying something that lacks time and space make you scale to outer?
Isn't outer being above the concept of time and space?
@@XThelegendX564 my bad 💀
@@darklight1171 I said that. go look at my noted things
Shadow the Hedgehog vs Goku Black pls ❤
You’re still around?
Shadow touches him with all the diddy😭
@inksinkanimates8921 You a whole db hater, all you're doing in these comments is hating on db, you lame asl🤦🏾♂️
Shadow would take the win due to his inhibitor rings and part of his doom powers (though I think doom squid would be useless in a fight and so would the wings but cool factor if he did). Although Vegeta might have a chance and uses spirit fission to get Shadow out of Super he still has his inhibitor rings and could blitz Vegeta. Ultra Ego can only take so much before Vegeta can’t take anymore pain.
Bro is the new Tylearned
Your Vegeta scale is very wrong, high complex multiversal he would have to affect areas 11d something he clearly never did. Vegeta can also move in a place without time in fact not even up speed. If time does not automatically exist the fourth dimension does not exist. It is impossible for him to reach immeasurable speed.
Hello glad to have the captain joining this video big fan of his channel yeah vegeta as in base form should have 5d power and his transformations grants boosts up to the millions or billions and thats not mentioing the power creeps characters between arcs get between arcs as merged zamasu who fused with the future timelines and became omnipresent and transcended them meaning u can argue 6d scaling for zamasu and suppresed jirem was stated to be stronger than while suppressed and goku and vegeta by the time of the superhero arc has surpassed jiren by a huge margin also shouldnt spirit fissuon unfuse the chaos emralds from shadows body reverting him back to base
This is interesting.
All hail Shadow heros rise again!
Na shadow win
No hate but ofc ppl don't scale sonic chars right 😭
Bro sonic scales directly to Solaris I believe in his super form so what you said about shadow not being as strong as Solaris is wrong because if shadow is relative to sonic in base that means in super he would be relative to sonic which means he would be relative to Solaris.
be fr here. Vegeta doesnt stand a chance against Shadow. Keep in mind Shadow is close in matching Sonic in strength and we have seen sonics feats, him being so powerful he defeated somebody who could destroy universes and dimensions. Shadow Base with his inhibitor rings is already enough for Vegeta.
the vegeta glaze 💔
U did the scaling very wrong and no Vegeta does not win this as shadow is stronger sure ultra ego is hella strong and he has spirit fission but that literally does nothing to shadow not to mention its wraps when he turns super he literally is immune to damage and he has alot more feats and be licky if shadow just doesnt end the fight in base form he is literally that fast not to mention but alot of u forget he is really cocky thats anotger disanvange
I hate autocorrect 😭
Overall tho excellent vid
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Okay chill
@@DanDaMan1 my sorry I just don't think Vegeta would win
Nah some of the stuff they said😭 about shadow someone debunk some of the stuff they said about shadow at the end
The games he slaps with difficulty if irs archie shadow he solos all of dragonball heroes which are the strongest versions of dragonball zeno whis everyone
Shadow wins
Wouldn’t Base Shadow be enough bc Infinite stated to be the Strongest enemy during that make Base Shadow at least 6D and Super wayyy higher but that’s if you wanna say Sonic and Shadow or equal in the current gsmes
Doesn't chaos control literally pause time
How will Vegeta react if he's frozen in time
Bro seriously 😳😅
Im afraid to say
Shadow does indeed slam
Yup Shadow wins
Shadow vs vegeta isn't even close. Shadow has a immesurable speed feat (restoring time by being fast) shadow could ALSO beat solaris by himself in his super form which has been highly surpassed by even base shadow. (Sega has stated that shadow and sonic will always be equals) solaris was going to erase all the sonic dimensions (Which are infinite) and super shadow just tanked the hit normally. Huge durabillity feat. Overall shadow slams lmfao
If shadow gets hold of the 7 super emeralds and becomes hyper shadow then ultra ego vegeta would be fucked but too bad sega doesn’t give shadow a hyper form which it’s sucks because I want shadow in sonic 3 and knuckles on sonic origins plus instead of amy on sonic origins plus instead of amy
Well base Sonic (Sonic and the secret rings) Sonic is stronger than a guy named Erazer Djinn who absorb half of then 1001 Arabian nights and base Sonic beat him with little to no effort. So by default Sonic at a lowball should be uni+ to multi ironically being above goku in base.
That scaling was weird for both characters your scaling was just pretty poorly done
*Ahem* Inhibitor rings?
Vegeta definitely does win
There is a reason why shadow is the ultimate lifeform, sorry but vegeta don't stand a chance
I have my total disagreements! Shadow would destroy Vegeta.
But the video is cool I guess.