Am I the only one that feels like the pro matches in this game are WAY better than in SC2? Like so much more strategy, units spread out everywhere, one unit can make all the difference in this one. SC2 sometimes feels like it's just two massive balls of units walking into each other and a calculator decides the victor.
Yes, at least up until LotV Code S. I'd say that's equally exciting. What the SC2 scene needed was units that could potentially turn the tide with really good control, and a good pool of REALLY skilled players that could really push the game's boundaries Brood War had that starting around 2005, and even then, it wasn't really until 2010 that most of the top players were able to have these epic back-and-forth games. It took Starcraft 2 until 2016 to reach that
I was never great at either starcraft, I think I am low gold in starcraft 2, I was mainly referring to watching pro matches. Most Pro SC2 matches seem to go One of two ways. With a macro intensive proxy battle decide the game in the first 5 minutes or so, or... each army building up a deathball of units which walk into each other. Starcraft 1 pro matches seem to be interesting from start to finish like old fasion Age of Empires 2 games. Units everywhere, terrain used more effeciently, multiple battles over different resource nodes... idk. I could be wrong though, Haven't seen too many sc2 matches.
Sorry mate, you are kinda wrong. Watch top seriers of SC II. The thing "result of the match is known within first 5 minutes" is over. Now you start with 12 workers (or 10?), so it mean you are more flexible, have ability to start poking enemy faster (which is more intresting) I like sc:bw a lot and enjoy watching it, but all this sc:bw>scII bullshit needs to stop (not saying you said that, but just in general). Both games are great and people who say scII is for kids, simply won't accept the fact this game evolved and moved forward, leaving them behind.
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard There's so many hidden gems hidden in these in terms of screen placement and mouse control that even though I'm playing SC2, it's good to study these. Long live Starcraft!
@@raymondchou9550 absolutely. I play both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2. I can never get enough of this games and when ASL or GSL are not casting, I come back to these channels (Nevake, nukethestars, SC BW Dual) etc. Truly the best game in history for me.
Here is my short list of what i liked better in bw or didnt like in sc2: Maaxing out too soon and often in sc2 Widowmines shooting air Stalker should have been a dragoon The sound and graphics style are so much better in bw Mothership core is kinda lame, give me arbiter Overcharge pylobn too ez defense Viking/banshee, the wraith makes more sense and is more fun Maps in sc2 are too similar All the small "bugs" that made bw so good The learning curve in bw.
The game in the description is totally a bug... pretty sure it's Brood War :D ; on a side note it's really cool to see how tournament players play the game... I don't move the camera around nearly as much, so it makes it kind of daunting for me to even remotely consider playing Starcraft on MP.
It was really impressive how the Terran player was able to be so agressive even after all the harassment he got at the beggining. I do believe that at 20:20 this was one Hell of a greedy push and the very definition of over extending, and probably what cost him the game.
Rough game for the terran, the early zealot harass was spot on and that containment really made him suffer. Some really good engagements for him, but I think he really lost this one on the economy since he just couldn't keep up off 2-3 bases.
that set his expansion back like an extra 10 sec, which is enough to snowball it to something like a tech lead / expo lead at this level. the early dragoon hits onto the Bunker is standard for Terran Rax FE since Dragoon range comes out faster than Siege. it isn't a contain at all.
anyone else notice how he attacks his own pylons with his carriers so that he can get them to launch their interceptors.. that way when he goes to engage the terran army, the interceptors are all already launched and can all attack instantly?
actually it looks like all of his pylons in the game bugged for some reason. At 11:00 he also tries building cannons at his 3rd and can't. So he throws up a bunch of new pylons everywhere and keeps playing.
Simon Lee yea it can work. But to get it you need an addon on the science facility and you'll want to upgrade 2-4 ghost upgrades, at least cloak and lockdown and maybe you even want ghost sight range and energy upgrade... then you need to make the ghost and wait for them to have enough energy. It just takes so long to get this to work is my point and you may just lose before you get to use them. We've seen lockdown vs carriers before though so it is doable.
he probably made a total of 1 barracks that whole game so it would be a bit of a tech transition. Easier to just switch to goliaths and also effective. Just because you make ghosts doesn't mean you get a lockdown on the carriers.
Thanks GOD atleast barely i can see a toss beats terran but still i cannot live with the fact of a more advanced race like the protoss have worse resource management than a new and primitive terran race. im thinking about 3 base terran = 5 base toss in balance of powers...
If Spherical videos are possible, then shouldn't it also be possible to create a video format that would allow people to watch a replay and let them pan around in the game as it is happening? All RTS games could start exporting such a format and youtube could have a player that can play the format. That'd be really cool if you could pan around on youtube.
When UA-cam allows the .rpl or whatever they save as, as a viable video format, any RTS replay could be fully viewed. Would be great if you could click units and view stats as well though
@@PabloGnesutta very true, like doom demo's which were the replays. They would recreate everything that happened in the game rather than "record the image" Whoever decides to try and make a video share platform that can incorporate multiple replay formats for in depth viewing; will create the next UA-cam. Imagine all your favourite AoE2 replays, SC2, C&C, all on one website, available to view as if you were actually spectating yourself
Gotta say, if you tolerate Protoss survival long enough for carriers with full interceptor groups to show up you may as well leave the match, your pooched
Valentin Aleksejev это сильно улучшает невероятно фиговый поиск пути в игре. Если нажать 1 раз, то половина твоих гунов пойдут в противоположную сторону и забьются в угол карты, попробуй в кастомке.
Silly Korean he just though that he can defeat carriers with mere goliaths he needs marines with stim to confuse carriers then mas goliaths and also he could have use science vessels to destroy their shields.
Why do pro players tend to have that terrible habit to make so much unnecessary clicks, especially in the beginning? Like 500 in the beginning and maybe 100-150 in the rest of the match.
Am I the only one that feels like the pro matches in this game are WAY better than in SC2? Like so much more strategy, units spread out everywhere, one unit can make all the difference in this one. SC2 sometimes feels like it's just two massive balls of units walking into each other and a calculator decides the victor.
Yes, at least up until LotV Code S. I'd say that's equally exciting. What the SC2 scene needed was units that could potentially turn the tide with really good control, and a good pool of REALLY skilled players that could really push the game's boundaries
Brood War had that starting around 2005, and even then, it wasn't really until 2010 that most of the top players were able to have these epic back-and-forth games.
It took Starcraft 2 until 2016 to reach that
It's why people stop playing Starcraft 2. Starcraft Broad war everything mattered like a work of art. In SC2 is more robotic and easier.
is easier to watch or easier to pla? what league are you in sc2?
I was never great at either starcraft, I think I am low gold in starcraft 2, I was mainly referring to watching pro matches.
Most Pro SC2 matches seem to go One of two ways. With a macro intensive proxy battle decide the game in the first 5 minutes or so, or... each army building up a deathball of units which walk into each other.
Starcraft 1 pro matches seem to be interesting from start to finish like old fasion Age of Empires 2 games. Units everywhere, terrain used more effeciently, multiple battles over different resource nodes... idk.
I could be wrong though, Haven't seen too many sc2 matches.
Sorry mate, you are kinda wrong. Watch top seriers of SC II. The thing "result of the match is known within first 5 minutes" is over. Now you start with 12 workers (or 10?), so it mean you are more flexible, have ability to start poking enemy faster (which is more intresting)
I like sc:bw a lot and enjoy watching it, but all this sc:bw>scII bullshit needs to stop (not saying you said that, but just in general). Both games are great and people who say scII is for kids, simply won't accept the fact this game evolved and moved forward, leaving them behind.
Hahaha, in all of my years playing this game I have never seen that pylon bug :D
me neither!
The level of play Bisu displays is unreal, a true legend
Just watching this gives me goosebumps. The amount of skill.
You can slowly watch the apm ramp up to unattainable levels haha
It's all muscle memory to them.
Crazy to think this game is almost 20 years old. Can't wait for the remaster
8:31
"What a great place for a Fleet Beacon!"
-Bisu
Oh wait...
Hahahaha. Indeed. Man, so good to see people still watch this. Your comment was posted 10 hours ago. Bless you
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard There's so many hidden gems hidden in these in terms of screen placement and mouse control that even though I'm playing SC2, it's good to study these. Long live Starcraft!
@@raymondchou9550 absolutely. I play both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2. I can never get enough of this games and when ASL or GSL are not casting, I come back to these channels (Nevake, nukethestars, SC BW Dual) etc. Truly the best game in history for me.
How do his buildings go unpowered at 10:20 and also some after the pause too... ?
I also need to know. It was more than 1bldg.
@@-Nick-T I didn't undertand too!!!
@@paulabeluzo it is just a bug but not usual stuff
Here is my short list of what i liked better in bw or didnt like in sc2:
Maaxing out too soon and often in sc2
Widowmines shooting air
Stalker should have been a dragoon
The sound and graphics style are so much better in bw
Mothership core is kinda lame, give me arbiter
Overcharge pylobn too ez defense
Viking/banshee, the wraith makes more sense and is more fun
Maps in sc2 are too similar
All the small "bugs" that made bw so good
The learning curve in bw.
The game in the description is totally a bug... pretty sure it's Brood War :D ; on a side note it's really cool to see how tournament players play the game... I don't move the camera around nearly as much, so it makes it kind of daunting for me to even remotely consider playing Starcraft on MP.
Those carriers won the battles; but the strategic expansion and utilization of the resources won the game.
It was really impressive how the Terran player was able to be so agressive even after all the harassment he got at the beggining.
I do believe that at 20:20 this was one Hell of a greedy push and the very definition of over extending, and probably what cost him the game.
Я 20 лет играю в Старкрафт и ни разу не встречал такого бага с пилонами. Ну и да, Бису великолепен!
Rough game for the terran, the early zealot harass was spot on and that containment really made him suffer. Some really good engagements for him, but I think he really lost this one on the economy since he just couldn't keep up off 2-3 bases.
no science vessels against a proto? also he never micromanaged against the carriers..
Dunno where he'd get the gas for science vessels honestly. They aren't that strong vs protoss anyway, especially when you're down on army.
that set his expansion back like an extra 10 sec, which is enough to snowball it to something like a tech lead / expo lead at this level.
the early dragoon hits onto the Bunker is standard for Terran Rax FE since Dragoon range comes out faster than Siege. it isn't a contain at all.
Not being able to take the 6 o'clock base for entire game was a nail in the coffin.
23:33 that's one pissed off Archon.
:D Zaps a tank and chases off like 4 goliaths lol
the sound is amazing
would like to see how many kills each of those carriers had
SHIT. YOU CAN FEEL THE VIBE THAT THIS IS WAR!!
starcraft 1 fucking immerses you into the game.
starcraft 2, is jus meh...
At 20:00 you can see that even an SCV is fighting haha
I like brood war more than sc2
10:20 there is a error in the pylon, the pylon no give energy to the startgate
Mass Carriers=Instant Win Meme!
Flying units would be so helpfull to the Terran side here.
...how in the mother of fuck is he clicking around and selecting everything so fast?!
Justin McBrain Hotkeys
Fast mouse and fast keybord use
He Is Korean...
APM конечно у него лютый. Приятно смотреть
anyone else notice how he attacks his own pylons with his carriers so that he can get them to launch their interceptors.. that way when he goes to engage the terran army, the interceptors are all already launched and can all attack instantly?
he is an OG. What did you expect?
what was that pylon bug?
Time?
10:25
pylon wasnt powering up the nearby buildings
Thanks. I see it now.
The buildings were marked as unpowered, but still the units were processing, not sure, didnt't catch exactly.
actually it looks like all of his pylons in the game bugged for some reason. At 11:00 he also tries building cannons at his 3rd and can't. So he throws up a bunch of new pylons everywhere and keeps playing.
broodwar still playing in kroea in 2016 ??
22rember We're going till the end of the world.
martbee s
sc2 kill broodwar :(
Nothing can kill it.
dude yesterday i play broodwar on iccup after like 5 years i dont play xD was very nice, very noob but very nice and i win!!
Starcraft 2 is a massive failure so Brood War will always be played :D
Some really great plays on both sides =D
OH MY GOD, FINALY FOUND THIS GAME, oh my childhood!!!
wtf 2 years ago what childhood?
Progamer ... Great respect.
택용씨 매우 좋아해요. 택용은 빠른 선수입니다. 바로지금 선생님 있어서 한국어를 배우도 돼요. 전 정말 한국에 가고 싶어요. Bisu will always be my favorite player. He makes Protoss look imba LOL
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Terran should have built more goliaths and/or a sneak attack wraith force. Costly but effective against carriers.
very well played sir
17:25 I would build a few shield batteries at this point for invincible carriers
need the minerals for interceptors.. you notice how long it took for him to finally save up and rebuild his 12 o'clock expo?
отличная игра!
Damn that was so intense
the Protoss player has gone Super Saiyan :O
Holy hell these guys are fast.
What about lockdown with ghosts to kill carriers?
Simon Lee yea it can work. But to get it you need an addon on the science facility and you'll want to upgrade 2-4 ghost upgrades, at least cloak and lockdown and maybe you even want ghost sight range and energy upgrade... then you need to make the ghost and wait for them to have enough energy. It just takes so long to get this to work is my point and you may just lose before you get to use them. We've seen lockdown vs carriers before though so it is doable.
he probably made a total of 1 barracks that whole game so it would be a bit of a tech transition. Easier to just switch to goliaths and also effective. Just because you make ghosts doesn't mean you get a lockdown on the carriers.
Thanks GOD atleast barely i can see a toss beats terran but still i cannot live with the fact of a more advanced race like the protoss have worse resource management than a new and primitive terran race. im thinking about 3 base terran = 5 base toss in balance of powers...
holy shit that last fight was so good
Never known carriers can do that.
역시택신ㄷㄷ Nice multitask
You know Bisu is god when 50% of his pylons bug out but he still wins
If Spherical videos are possible, then shouldn't it also be possible to create a video format that would allow people to watch a replay and let them pan around in the game as it is happening?
All RTS games could start exporting such a format and youtube could have a player that can play the format. That'd be really cool if you could pan around on youtube.
When UA-cam allows the .rpl or whatever they save as, as a viable video format, any RTS replay could be fully viewed. Would be great if you could click units and view stats as well though
you can download replays or spectate matches to do that - FPVODs are useful if you want to see the entire game from the player's perspective
@@mr420quickscops2 the thing is: replay files are not video, they are a set of game states that the game client can reproduce
@@PabloGnesutta very true, like doom demo's which were the replays. They would recreate everything that happened in the game rather than "record the image"
Whoever decides to try and make a video share platform that can incorporate multiple replay formats for in depth viewing; will create the next UA-cam.
Imagine all your favourite AoE2 replays, SC2, C&C, all on one website, available to view as if you were actually spectating yourself
Why do they keep spamming those drones at the start?
Warm up
What's the map?
Gotta say, if you tolerate Protoss survival long enough for carriers with full interceptor groups to show up you may as well leave the match, your pooched
perfect P execution, yet so hard vs Terran..
how do you avoid getting epelepsy, sir godlike player? - EPILEPSY IS MY BITCH!
Thank You!
Big game hunters rocks
where can i play this game online again? only ICCup?
Game ranger
Air Pex! i mean somehat competitive and active community
MrAlexDeidara no. Koreans are playing on Fish Server in korea.
what they don't have it on regular blizzard anymore?
it was 10 months ago it seems , now its back in blizzard haha
có ai biết tải bản đồ ở đâu ko. tôi đánh bản đồ có nhieuuef kc mà ko biết tim o dau
lol this is so fast i cant even tell what is happening.
omg love bisu my hero
bisu = perfect
iccup core and you=cybernetics core
if they keep training they can become not so bad dota players
bisu is a monster
Am i the only one who see something not right - like his gateways and starports are unpowered even they`re build on pylons?
my eyes
epic game！！
Or it is as war craft NY warlike my god my bol
а обязательно как ненормальному по 10 раз в одно и тоже место мышкой кликать?
для ПРО говорят что обязательно )))
Valentin Aleksejev это сильно улучшает невероятно фиговый поиск пути в игре. Если нажать 1 раз, то половина твоих гунов пойдут в противоположную сторону и забьются в угол карты, попробуй в кастомке.
Silly Korean he just though that he can defeat carriers with mere goliaths he needs marines with stim to confuse carriers then mas goliaths and also he could have use science vessels to destroy their shields.
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So much unnecessary clicking to keep apm up...
psilontech that's only at the start to keep your fingers moving and ready.
Why do pro players tend to have that terrible habit to make so much unnecessary clicks, especially in the beginning? Like 500 in the beginning and maybe 100-150 in the rest of the match.
It's a warm up for muscles and reflexes for when they are actually needed
Me and my dad r way more better than this where is his defense