@@workingjellyfish Ditto for the game it lead into. Well, writing-wise, gameplay-wise is the part where your mileage will vary given its divisive changes (I actually like it after playing a few multiplayer matches with my controller on PC).
@@workingjellyfish a natural evolution it was not, turning a stoic one line spewing player stand in into a whiny crybaby in a forced implied romance isnt evolution, its a different character entirely especially when nothing of the sort was ever hinted at in prior halo games
i showed my dad the first episode of the halo tv show, mainly the fight scenes. then i showed him the halo landfall series. the only thing he said, halfway through landfall was "if the guys in the first show had these marines, they wouldnt need the master chief. these regular guys would destroy those other aliens." i thought that was funny. especially since he only vaguely remembered playing halo 1 with me when i was a kid.
@@workingjellyfish They could have easily just made a show set during the human covenant war and focus on a team of Spartans 3's and it would have been better
well theres nothing to deviate from if you dont know it exists, it's sorta like schrodinger story, if you never look at the source material are you really deviating?
"I could spend countless hours talking about all the subtle nuances that set it apart from other science fiction." I would genuinely love to watch that!
It’s incredible how an already broken franchise like Halo could be destroyed even more by making a live action series. Halo truly is the Star Wars of video games.
@@someopinionateddirt6561 She did a pretty fucking good job of that, she took a goldmine and threw it in the garbage, just like Disney did to Star Wars.
It just doesn't feel earned. The og game trilogy never dropped his real name till the very last moment in 3's warthog run and it was Cortana who said it not everyone.
@@robertharris6092 That is very true, in the books no one knew his real name. Why people thought of spartans as robots. They just had their rank and number.
Halo is my second favorite game series and was the inspiration for my absolute favorite web series. But now after Infinite, The Halo show, and whatever is going on with Rooster Teeth I just don't care anymore, which is something I never thought that I'd say.
The first five - eight seasons of Red vs. Blue were the only good things Rooster Teeth did. And seasons 1 - 5 were a total farce that parodied multiplayer shooter games and 6 - 8 were an _actionised_ farce where the plot became even more insane as the situation escalated.
@@NebLleb Nah cuz 6-10 took a stark change but it was warranted. Burnie explored the sitcom angle to it's limit essentially. Even if you dislike 6-13/14 for the direction it took, for those who played ball and didn't mind that direction it was good. After that, it became undefendably awful. 6-8 was a deconstruction and rebuilding, giving these characters new angles and introducing new ones. 9-10 was a continuation and just answered questions left unanswered. But they weren't too escalated. The Meta was just a strong odst essentially, they had no impact on the war and even when they faced a robot army, it was so self-contained and if they lost nothing would happen. 11-13 was the escalated point, but it rode it just well enough imo. It was a civil war on the planetary equivalent of Idaho ig that took the characters in new directions. 15-Zero was the tipping point. Time travel, Gods, Mystic alien golf clubs, AI being God. And no one ever liked Zero.
Apathy is death ... I feel that way about contemporary Star Wars. I haven't given up on Halo yet, but Paramount really pushed the limits of my good will with season 1.
@@workingjellyfishRemember were that quote comes from Mr.Jellyfish an ancient sith tomb on Korriban the homeworld of the Pureblooded sith species and a nexus of the Dark side of the force so many people take the vision you get from entering the force cave at face value like its trying to help you its not its trying to corrupt you. (Sorry for the rant its just ive seen so many people talk about that section of Kotor 2 and they just go yep the dark side cave vision on evil murder tyrant planet totally wants to help me and oh i dont know corrupt my soul into being trapped here for all eternity.
Anna Popplewell was such a breath of fresh air for female “leads” in TV. She played off Lasky’s actor wonderfully, and damn… I felt like the whole lot of them were good choices in casting.
I like how you put when the covenant finding a new human planet, because it puts the image of an elite commander trying to fit this new planet into an already full schedule of planets to glass like "well the 18th im glassing here, but on the 15th im already pretty close by"
Imagine if after halo 1 they kept drastically changing the look of the weapons and vehicles and chief himself and I don't mean small changes, I'm talking about chief suddenly looking like the protag from crises, etc. Nothing would become iconic, nothing would be recognizably halo, the same goes for the story and characters. But they took the iconography to artificially pull attention, then they changed the characters and story to the point of being unrecognizable. They do not get away with changing the story and characters anymore than if they had tried to completely redesign the look of iconic props. This isn't halo and real halo fans who know what they like and why they like it, understand that.
well, as someone who has never been a gamer and doesn't know the source material. I can only shake my head and say that this is one of the better sci-fi shows which has come out in recent years. and as mentioned before, I don't know the game, but I really like the show...
The Last of Us tv show proved that it is possible and still enjoyable to make a tv show based on a videogame while still being very accurate to the game.
Fantastic, well put together Video my guy. You've earned a sub. It's a travesty that we waited almost a decade for this show, only for It's creator's to completely neglect an IP that was the star wars of my generation.
They could have summed up Halo Reach (and even tesed a prequel series of Noble 6) and made that the reason why the Covenant attacked and the people of the planet that were Native could have been on the planet Reach and explained why the Covenant decided to attack a very small village, then they should have shown John getting his memories of going through surgeries as a kid and augmentations and the girl being able to bring up memories could have reminded him that it was because of Halsey and Cortana should been a chip of a sentient AI put in his helmet who has the voice of the woman who stole him as a child programmed into it because she had a creepy motherly attachment to a stolen child she made into the soldier that became known to the Covenant as The Demon Master Chief
I get the feeling they think Master Chief is a title anyone can have instead of a hard earned rank. Its like jow JJ thinks you can just sit down in a chair and be a captain. They fail to understand John's background and try to force him into neuro typical child behavior. I dont understand how they can think this is a good idea. Do you think this was a Star Wars clone story they just repurposed?
The funniest part is that, in canon, John himself didn’t think he deserved to earn the rank of Master Chief Petty Officer, as it was only awarded to him under special circumstances - a really big character moment that could never be matched by a show like this.
Remember that the Spartans were a top secret (essentially illegal) program and their operations against the innies as well, the general public was only made aware of their existence after the breakout of the human covenant war, so the innies knowing about the Spartans and thinking the covies are a myth is yet another incongruence in the series.
If the thing with an established fanbase wasn't made for the fans, then who the hell was it made for?! It was made for the fandumb, the literal human npc walking cash machines that tie their personalities to a franchise to make up for the fact they don't have any. And it was made for the normie consoomers who watch (and forget) cinema as a way to kill time, then they move on to conshooom the next piece of entertainment. And finally, it was made for the writer/director for vain and selfish reasons that aren't worth discussing any further, because it really is just that simple and their ego is big enough without giving them any more undeserved attention.
I reckon they did look at the source material but were simply blinded by its majesty, missing what makes Halo, Halo. I mean while Infinite isn't the greatest story, 343 still managed to make Chief and the other characters real. Brohammer and Chief talking about failure makes Chief feel human in a very solid, respectful way to the character. Excellent breakdown, mate
If I ever had the courage to make a true UA-cam video about how I would've fixed the Halo Tv show, then here's a few things I would've done. Introduce Kwan Ha and her people as civilians living outside of UNSC control. She and her people dicuss some rumors about a few colonies going dark, rebels are joining or teaming up with the UNSC, and said military have created super soldiers. I'd put more in but my whole thing would be as big as a college thesis.
When I first watched FuD I couldn’t get past the cheap aesthetic. To me it was glaringly obvious the show was made on a shoestring budget. This was such a naive time for everyone, when it comes to media. We were all so very spoiled. Nolan’s Batman had me riding high and expecting nothing but perfection from everything, always. I had no idea how dark things would get. Now, looking back, I’m a bit ashamed I didn’t give the show more credit. I may have to give her a rewatch one of these days. Oh, and I’d never disgrace my eyes by watching the current show. I knew right away it was going to be as far from a faithful adaptation as is possible. Frankly, I almost didn’t even watch this video because I don’t think the Halo show deserves any attention - even the negative kind. It deserves to vanish and be forgotten, never to be spoken of for all time. But I like your channel so much I figured I’d suck it up just to show my support for my favorite brainless lump. Good stuff!
WAIT...…That's not what Batman said! (lmao, great work and 100% onboard with ya!) Also, watch Dredd for a great display of how a character can act with a helmet and show more emotion than most who cannot in Hollywood atm.
ISTG unrelated rant but I am gonna save up as much cash as possible to bribe another Halo anime into existence. It was pure peak. The stories, animation, humor, emotions, hell the amv's too. WHY would they not make another???
"Ultimate timeline for new fans"... So once we again we can say that it wasn't made for us. That's all good, I'll simply not be watching then because it wasn't made for me, I'll stick with the older, good stuff thanks, cheers. All good boss.
Microsoft left too much creative control to 343 and everything they’ve created is derivative. Microsoft game studios never understood the franchise despite being built upon it, Frank O’Connor understood it even less despite working within the original trilogy and now key plot elements have been irreparably changed. 343 commissioned book after book and show after show and it was all derivative fan fiction, then each game after Reach set up a new story only to move on in an unsatisfying manor. The best piece(s) of Halo content beyond the original trilogy, ODST, Reach and Wars were the two live action pieces produced for Reach and 3. That would be the live action Reach trailer and the Landfall short by Blomkampf. The anime arbiter short, the prototype suit, the funimation and the package shorts in the Halo Legends collection weren’t awful but paled in comparison to Blomkampf’s Landfall short. I’d trade a lung for a Halo show similar to the Landfall short. God I hate Halo these days. Halo was my obsession for that first decade of its existence, but it’s just a crappy corporate money grab these days and I hate 343 (and Microsoft) and I hate myself for engaging with the original trilogy leaving me with this seething rage that has replaced my undying love for the franchise. I hope Frank O’Connor finds no success in life going forward. Edit: just want to add we are odst to the list of best halo content, forgot about that one.
My mum (barely knows about)was disappointed with the halo show, she knew master chief doesn’t take his helmet off. Also was expecting more human covenant action and not sappy drama.
I actully keep forgetting this series exists. It was so boring and forgettable that without all the youtubers reminding me, I would have let this memeory die. And, I think that's somehow worse than if I hated this show and constantly hated it.
That does effectively say something when a show is that forgettable. Since a good movie can be remembered, just as much as a bad one. But a forgettable mediocre film/show? Being forgotten is the worst fate for anything.
I think the influence of the books is what is on display in these shows. While I enjoyed the Greg Bear series of books(RIP), which are proper military scifi (except for a few). The rest of the books are hot garbage melodrama. I also have the sneaking suspicion that today's "modern" writers are too "critical" to write anything that optimistically portrays humanity. Hence, why they downplay the covenant and their Jihad against humanity, which places humanity in the right to defend themselves against an enemy that is actively genociding them, and showing the heroism and bravery of those defending humanity against the darkening void. After all you can't let good story and morality get in the way of a political-quasi-religiously motivated narrative.
Would you count Eric Nylund's stuff as proper sci fi? I quite liked how he set up a lot of the groundwork for the setting in the Fall of Reach and First Strike books.
I havent seen the show, only snippets of it, but I gotta say, the covenant's design is utter garbage. The elites look nothing like the incredible designs in H2A or H3, and I don't remember a single purple hallway. I can somewhat understand the elites not looking as good, I bet that the H2A elites would be a pain to make in cgi. But man does it hurt to only see the same blue-grey armor on 50 different guys. And why does chief just stand still with no cover while being shot at? He's is definitely capable of running and shooting at the same time, and he certainly knows that he should at the very least hide behind cover and not let his shields drain (still havent seen the show, I could be completely wrong)
I thought something was different with the jellyfish! Ya changed the tie, idk i liked it the way it was, it looked better without it wrapping around the lump imo
I liked the simplicity of the original design. But too many people confused it for a mouth and black tongue. Following enough feedback I did some test and adjustments and I'm pretty happy with the new look.
Not over it but its turn into an ambient malaise. Now i just watch critiques, trying to piece together the aspects of the crime. It has a rich lore. :l
as far as iam concerned the tv show and the games made by 343 are all garbage and not cannon, you very right on all your points because iam pissed at how lazy halo infinite is and the tv show
It actually boggles my mind how these hacks manage to bungle a halo show. Next to star wars, it's the easiest thing to create good content for (even as a cash grab) because all of the work in both cases has already been done. The arrogance that these companies, publishers, actors , writers, developers, and showrunners, approach these well established stories with is staggering. To have such disrespect for the opportunity to create a story situated in either of these worlds shows the contempt that these people have for the material and the people who love it.
I was saying this to myself for a long time after watching tons of videos on this series, they not only poorly stole halos....well everything but they didn't even make a good sci fi show, or a good show at all, I could forgive them a little if they told their own story and told it well with some references, sorta like how the sonic movies take characters and other things from the games but tell their own story, but they failed to do even that, it's almost commendable how badly they fucked up, sure lots of people watched it cause it's ya know, halo, one of the biggest franchises out there even separated from the games but as far as I can tell, E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E hates it, like how the hell do you even manage that?
To me theae streaming services hope you will go on to watch other programmes, i think they misunderstood we would all quit them when they ruin our favourite films/games etc
Master Chief took his helmet off in episode 1. It's such a simple thing to not do yet they did. As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to watch this show.
The problem, or at least one major problem with adapting a shooter like Halo to TV or film is that in passive media like those having 95% of what happens be gunfights isn't really all that fun. It's great in interactive media like video games because *you're* the one controlling it, making dozens of tiny yet important decisions every few seconds. Without that, it loses a lot of the appeal. Not all of it of course, there's still the actual choreography, the background of the fight and how it looks (Halo in particular has some fantastic views and locales for its levels), etc. But a lot of it is lost. And since the games typically have relatively small percentages of them devoted to narrative that doesn't leave a lot for a show to go with. How do you stretch the story of John Halo in Halo 1 into twelve 45 minute episodes, 9 hours, when a decent player can beat the entire game in less than that? I think you either have to accept that it's going to be a shorter miniseries, or a film, and work with that understanding that 9 hours is just too long.... or you make new shit up to fill that time, fill that episode count. Have new things happen, introduce new characters and story beats. Establish a ~new continuity~ so that you can just do whatever you want, thus making fans ask the question of why you didn't just make your own original thing instead of butchering the thing they love. Clearly the people in charge of the Halo television series chose option 2. A real pity.
I'm not watching season 2 or anything connected to the "silver timeline". Halo is teetering on the edge of oblivion and everyone involved seems hell bent on pushing it into the abyss.
Can't remember something you never watched. 343i has mishandled this series so badly from day one. You asked if anyone else was over the fact that they couldn't get excited anymore and yeah... been way over that. Haven't been excited for a new Halo project since Halo 4. Passed way beyond anger and am just laughing at 343i's attempts lately.
There was some talk claiming this was supposed to be a mass effect live action story... Then again it is so painfully generic and forced it could be any series. Humans invaded by aliens, but keeps forgetting the aliens to show that humans are awful and diversity always wins... Regardless of time, place, people, situation, logic, or even making sure the enemy trying to murder you all is defeated! Seriously they went out of their way to make master chief kill himself and not kill the literal leaders of the enemy just so a clone of a.clone and clone itself into his mind being based off a crazy lying power hungry lunatic in the hopes the exact memory clone will not become a genocidal AI set out to kill humanity. That is even more crazy than what happened in the freaking games!
I did not watch to the part where MC is digging a hole while Halsey watches. Who tf thought that was something anyone wanted to see in a Halo show? Looks like a crap sci fi like stargate with a halo paint job lol. Lmao even.
I really wanted to like this show and I think after a year there are some things the show got right… ish. Hear me out, the armor of the Spartans and the gear looks good, same with costumes, for the most part. The fight scenes (all 3 or 4 of them…) look and feel like Halo. The show falls flat with its plot and it’s writing as you pointed out, no steaks, plot makes little to no sense. They could fix it if they bothered to listen to the reception from “fans” but so far it sounds like they want to double down with their crap sort of like what Disney has been doing with Star Wars. With season 2 on the horizon they have a chance to fix a lot of the problems people had with season 1 and hey I’ll tune in for the first episodes and give it a shot, what else am I going to do to get my Halo fix? But honestly i feel like the Halo show will die before they even get to Halo
I wasnt surpised in the slightest that master chief removed his helmet. And to be honest - im ok with it. That the reveal came so early just because of this annoying sidekick - that was the point, where i assumed the writers had no interest in halo at all - what made the big reveal kind of bleak and similar to the reaction of "the answer to all questions". For them, halo just served as a vessel to reach a bigger audience. I also dont think that farmes far away and their the lack of unserstanding that there is such thing than the covenant empire is incoherent. You could argue - that they have no clue whats going on, because of the distance and that they cant afford a passage to other planets who are aware of the situation. So all whats left are rumors. History shows what tyranny, fear and brainwashing can lead to...but than work it out better.
It has the look of Halo, some of the story bits of Halo, but wasn't Halo. Its someone elses crappy sci fi show with a halo coat of paint. And it is so very, very dumb. Prop designers did well though, I'll give them that. Like the best part of the show is in the first episode and then that weird dream sequence where Chief beats Kwan's ass over and over again, because wow she was such a hateable character, and as one of the main cast, thats very bad. If they wanted it modern or whatever, they could have just made a show about Johnson leading up to the start of Halo 1. Johnson as the main character would be fucking great, and theres a number of black dudes who could pull it off. We don't know that story so you have a good amount of free reign over a long time period.
It's amazing how a miniseries that was basically the overglorified backstory of Laskey from 4 could be more compelling than the actual Halo TV show.
Agreed, Forward Unto Dawn has actually aged quite well.
@@workingjellyfish Ditto for the game it lead into. Well, writing-wise, gameplay-wise is the part where your mileage will vary given its divisive changes (I actually like it after playing a few multiplayer matches with my controller on PC).
@@NebLleb I've always enjoyed Halo 4, regardless of critical reception. The story felt like a natural evolution for Chief.
@@workingjellyfish a natural evolution it was not, turning a stoic one line spewing player stand in into a whiny crybaby in a forced implied romance isnt evolution, its a different character entirely especially when nothing of the sort was ever hinted at in prior halo games
@@heftymagic4814 [groan] Bungie elitist. Why am I not surprised?
“Don’t be afraid, I have a banana for you!” ~ Some Elite, Halo 2
Man OG Halo had some amazing one liners.
Wait fr ?
@@nhingedYep. It's at 4:25.
@chocov1233 yeah saw it but couldn't find the comment again to delete it, thanks tho
i showed my dad the first episode of the halo tv show, mainly the fight scenes. then i showed him the halo landfall series. the only thing he said, halfway through landfall was "if the guys in the first show had these marines, they wouldnt need the master chief. these regular guys would destroy those other aliens." i thought that was funny. especially since he only vaguely remembered playing halo 1 with me when i was a kid.
Sometimes, to address a problem, one must acknowledge a problem exists.
literally the only reason why the silver timeline existed was so the producers could deviate away from the source material
Agreed, very disappointing.
@@workingjellyfish They could have easily just made a show set during the human covenant war and focus on a team of Spartans 3's and it would have been better
Which one wonders why they even decided to make a halo show then. Just make a new thing.
We all know why, brand recognition.
@@weareharbinger914 correct
well theres nothing to deviate from if you dont know it exists, it's sorta like schrodinger story, if you never look at the source material are you really deviating?
"I could spend countless hours talking about all the subtle nuances that set it apart from other science fiction."
I would genuinely love to watch that!
I'll consider doing a Halo love letter in the future. 🐙
Me too please do it when your able
@@workingjellyfish Please.
We will never forget Dustin Echoes
"We destroyed the first ring. Lost a lot of good people."
the sad thing is, from the interviews
NOT A SINGLE ONE UNDERSTAND THEIR SOURCE MATERIAL
I wish they'd just let Neil Blomkamp make his Halo show.
Me too ...
@@workingjellyfish Will always have land fall
@@Autobotmatt428, a monument to everything a live-action Halo could have and should have been.
It’s incredible how an already broken franchise like Halo could be destroyed even more by making a live action series. Halo truly is the Star Wars of video games.
Kinda ironic since I remember a source saying Bonnie Ross wanted to turn Halo into a Star Wars tier franchise.
@@someopinionateddirt6561 She did a pretty fucking good job of that, she took a goldmine and threw it in the garbage, just like Disney did to Star Wars.
@@ryujin9568 she most certainly did a swell job. Minus the "turn Halo into a cultural corner stone across multiple media" but that's just details.
The parallel between the 2 kinda fucked me up
As a Star Wars fan I'd never wish what happened to my favourite IP happen to anyone else, proper hope they turn Halo around!!!
I noped out of the show as soon as Chief's helmet came off.
I get annoyed whenever any a Halo character call The Master Chief "John" in public settings.
Who even knows his name? The now dead sparts he grew up with, halsey and maybe hood?
It just doesn't feel earned. The og game trilogy never dropped his real name till the very last moment in 3's warthog run and it was Cortana who said it not everyone.
@@robertharris6092 That is very true, in the books no one knew his real name. Why people thought of spartans as robots. They just had their rank and number.
I disagree I don't mind it.
Yep everyone else referee to him Chief, Spartan or Demon because nobody else knew his name
Halo is my second favorite game series and was the inspiration for my absolute favorite web series. But now after Infinite, The Halo show, and whatever is going on with Rooster Teeth I just don't care anymore, which is something I never thought that I'd say.
The first five - eight seasons of Red vs. Blue were the only good things Rooster Teeth did. And seasons 1 - 5 were a total farce that parodied multiplayer shooter games and 6 - 8 were an _actionised_ farce where the plot became even more insane as the situation escalated.
@@NebLleb Nah cuz 6-10 took a stark change but it was warranted. Burnie explored the sitcom angle to it's limit essentially.
Even if you dislike 6-13/14 for the direction it took, for those who played ball and didn't mind that direction it was good. After that, it became undefendably awful.
6-8 was a deconstruction and rebuilding, giving these characters new angles and introducing new ones. 9-10 was a continuation and just answered questions left unanswered. But they weren't too escalated. The Meta was just a strong odst essentially, they had no impact on the war and even when they faced a robot army, it was so self-contained and if they lost nothing would happen.
11-13 was the escalated point, but it rode it just well enough imo. It was a civil war on the planetary equivalent of Idaho ig that took the characters in new directions.
15-Zero was the tipping point. Time travel, Gods, Mystic alien golf clubs, AI being God. And no one ever liked Zero.
Apathy is death ... I feel that way about contemporary Star Wars. I haven't given up on Halo yet, but Paramount really pushed the limits of my good will with season 1.
@@workingjellyfishRemember were that quote comes from Mr.Jellyfish an ancient sith tomb on Korriban the homeworld of the Pureblooded sith species and a nexus of the Dark side of the force so many people take the vision you get from entering the force cave at face value like its trying to help you its not its trying to corrupt you. (Sorry for the rant its just ive seen so many people talk about that section of Kotor 2 and they just go yep the dark side cave vision on evil murder tyrant planet totally wants to help me and oh i dont know corrupt my soul into being trapped here for all eternity.
Watching this I really want to dig into Halo again. The games. 1-3. Because Nostalgia. And because good games.
The actor playing MC comes off more like a personal trainer in west Hollywood than a Marine in space
Imagine we had a halo show as well written as hunt the truth
My man’s risking getting his videos taken to tell the truth. Respect to you marine, respect to you.
Paramount will not silence me!
Anna Popplewell was such a breath of fresh air for female “leads” in TV.
She played off Lasky’s actor wonderfully, and damn…
I felt like the whole lot of them were good choices in casting.
I like how you put when the covenant finding a new human planet, because it puts the image of an elite commander trying to fit this new planet into an already full schedule of planets to glass like "well the 18th im glassing here, but on the 15th im already pretty close by"
"Commander! Another human world has been found!" must be the Elite equivalent of "another settlement needs your help"
I hope Dustin Echos makes it off Reach
Well duh him and Master Cheif are the only two survivors of Combat Evolved tragicly.
@@LiterallyAWesternHognose Cortana survives too, ya dingus. That's 3.
Ten seconds in and I'm tearing up remembering reaching the end, and that's all that's left.
Damn, I miss that.
Imagine if after halo 1 they kept drastically changing the look of the weapons and vehicles and chief himself and I don't mean small changes, I'm talking about chief suddenly looking like the protag from crises, etc. Nothing would become iconic, nothing would be recognizably halo, the same goes for the story and characters.
But they took the iconography to artificially pull attention, then they changed the characters and story to the point of being unrecognizable.
They do not get away with changing the story and characters anymore than if they had tried to completely redesign the look of iconic props.
This isn't halo and real halo fans who know what they like and why they like it, understand that.
Indeed marine hold firm do not let the innies win.
well, as someone who has never been a gamer and doesn't know the source material. I can only shake my head and say that this is one of the better sci-fi shows which has come out in recent years. and as mentioned before, I don't know the game, but I really like the show...
The currents of the youtube algorithm made me drift to your videos, and I've subscribed because I think you make interesting videos.
Welcome aboard, skipper.
The funniest thing of all is that there Was actually a correct Live action series of halo, Foward into Dawn so no excuse for paramount
And made with a budget that was almost as much as the show spent on the one episode.
The Last of Us tv show proved that it is possible and still enjoyable to make a tv show based on a videogame while still being very accurate to the game.
im excited, if it must burn i shall laugh my ass off as it does.
the EFAP coverage will be great.
Fantastic, well put together Video my guy. You've earned a sub.
It's a travesty that we waited almost a decade for this show, only for It's creator's to completely neglect an IP that was the star wars of my generation.
Welcome aboard, skipper. I agree, fans deserved better.
@@workingjellyfish aye captain
God bless you and your work sir 💜💜💜
I’m ten minutes into this video without a substantive critique beyond “it made fans mad.”
He can always cut out some time. hope he does later videos,
this doesn't take away the rest of the video though.
They could have summed up Halo Reach (and even tesed a prequel series of Noble 6) and made that the reason why the Covenant attacked and the people of the planet that were Native could have been on the planet Reach and explained why the Covenant decided to attack a very small village, then they should have shown John getting his memories of going through surgeries as a kid and augmentations and the girl being able to bring up memories could have reminded him that it was because of Halsey and Cortana should been a chip of a sentient AI put in his helmet who has the voice of the woman who stole him as a child programmed into it because she had a creepy motherly attachment to a stolen child she made into the soldier that became known to the Covenant as The Demon Master Chief
I get the feeling they think Master Chief is a title anyone can have instead of a hard earned rank. Its like jow JJ thinks you can just sit down in a chair and be a captain.
They fail to understand John's background and try to force him into neuro typical child behavior. I dont understand how they can think this is a good idea. Do you think this was a Star Wars clone story they just repurposed?
The funniest part is that, in canon, John himself didn’t think he deserved to earn the rank of Master Chief Petty Officer, as it was only awarded to him under special circumstances - a really big character moment that could never be matched by a show like this.
Not far off from how actual master chiefs are treated. Lol
Im so tired of watching all my favorite franchises go down in flames....
Hard agree.
Gatekeeping is not an inherently bad thing. Keeping out the people that want to destroy it is absolutely justified and fair.
Another thing I can happily ignore completely, but it is kinda entertaining to see just how badly they can fuck it up.
Great job
Remember that the Spartans were a top secret (essentially illegal) program and their operations against the innies as well, the general public was only made aware of their existence after the breakout of the human covenant war, so the innies knowing about the Spartans and thinking the covies are a myth is yet another incongruence in the series.
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Praise the jellyfish 👏👏👏
It's okay! I'm sure they took all our criticisms to heart and it's going to be amazing!...Yeah no, even I'm surprised that I typed that all out.
If the thing with an established fanbase wasn't made for the fans, then who the hell was it made for?!
It was made for the fandumb, the literal human npc walking cash machines that tie their personalities to a franchise to make up for the fact they don't have any.
And it was made for the normie consoomers who watch (and forget) cinema as a way to kill time, then they move on to conshooom the next piece of entertainment.
And finally, it was made for the writer/director for vain and selfish reasons that aren't worth discussing any further, because it really is just that simple and their ego is big enough without giving them any more undeserved attention.
OI! Actual normies are smart. Consoomers are dumb, panicky shills and you know it.
@Working_Jellyfish Dude its like your reading my mind and projecting all my criticisms of this show. God Bless you man
Silver timeline master chief is the 13 yo behind the controller, lol
I reckon they did look at the source material but were simply blinded by its majesty, missing what makes Halo, Halo. I mean while Infinite isn't the greatest story, 343 still managed to make Chief and the other characters real. Brohammer and Chief talking about failure makes Chief feel human in a very solid, respectful way to the character.
Excellent breakdown, mate
If I ever had the courage to make a true UA-cam video about how I would've fixed the Halo Tv show, then here's a few things I would've done.
Introduce Kwan Ha and her people as civilians living outside of UNSC control. She and her people dicuss some rumors about a few colonies going dark, rebels are joining or teaming up with the UNSC, and said military have created super soldiers. I'd put more in but my whole thing would be as big as a college thesis.
When I first watched FuD I couldn’t get past the cheap aesthetic. To me it was glaringly obvious the show was made on a shoestring budget. This was such a naive time for everyone, when it comes to media. We were all so very spoiled. Nolan’s Batman had me riding high and expecting nothing but perfection from everything, always.
I had no idea how dark things would get.
Now, looking back, I’m a bit ashamed I didn’t give the show more credit. I may have to give her a rewatch one of these days. Oh, and I’d never disgrace my eyes by watching the current show. I knew right away it was going to be as far from a faithful adaptation as is possible. Frankly, I almost didn’t even watch this video because I don’t think the Halo show deserves any attention - even the negative kind. It deserves to vanish and be forgotten, never to be spoken of for all time. But I like your channel so much I figured I’d suck it up just to show my support for my favorite brainless lump. Good stuff!
WAIT...…That's not what Batman said! (lmao, great work and 100% onboard with ya!) Also, watch Dredd for a great display of how a character can act with a helmet and show more emotion than most who cannot in Hollywood atm.
Karl Urban's a chad and we don't deserve him.
YESSS! Dredd is an awesome and badass movie that highly respects the source material.
No and i don't want to remember.
ISTG unrelated rant but I am gonna save up as much cash as possible to bribe another Halo anime into existence. It was pure peak. The stories, animation, humor, emotions, hell the amv's too.
WHY would they not make another???
"Ultimate timeline for new fans"... So once we again we can say that it wasn't made for us. That's all good, I'll simply not be watching then because it wasn't made for me, I'll stick with the older, good stuff thanks, cheers. All good boss.
I just moved on to warhammer
@@derpherp7432 Yeah, warhammers pretty good, if you haven't tried apathy and self-pity.
@@Peak_AussiemanWhat does that mean?
@@LiterallyAWesternHognose It means I'm not going to consoom the Current Thing.
@@Peak_Aussieman Apathy and self pity is you say you won't consume current thing?
christian bale would have been a great master chief, and he sorta looks like the way john is described.
We need a complete Reset
#LightTheRings
Microsoft left too much creative control to 343 and everything they’ve created is derivative. Microsoft game studios never understood the franchise despite being built upon it, Frank O’Connor understood it even less despite working within the original trilogy and now key plot elements have been irreparably changed. 343 commissioned book after book and show after show and it was all derivative fan fiction, then each game after Reach set up a new story only to move on in an unsatisfying manor. The best piece(s) of Halo content beyond the original trilogy, ODST, Reach and Wars were the two live action pieces produced for Reach and 3. That would be the live action Reach trailer and the Landfall short by Blomkampf. The anime arbiter short, the prototype suit, the funimation and the package shorts in the Halo Legends collection weren’t awful but paled in comparison to Blomkampf’s Landfall short. I’d trade a lung for a Halo show similar to the Landfall short.
God I hate Halo these days. Halo was my obsession for that first decade of its existence, but it’s just a crappy corporate money grab these days and I hate 343 (and Microsoft) and I hate myself for engaging with the original trilogy leaving me with this seething rage that has replaced my undying love for the franchise.
I hope Frank O’Connor finds no success in life going forward.
Edit: just want to add we are odst to the list of best halo content, forgot about that one.
30:35 and.... the Arbiter story?? bro is literally the Halo 2 protagonist
My mum (barely knows about)was disappointed with the halo show, she knew master chief doesn’t take his helmet off. Also was expecting more human covenant action and not sappy drama.
Could u do a deconstruction of each episode for season 2, please, and thank you
13:06 what the FUCK is Susan Pevensie doing in Halo.
I hope there's a new renassiance. Halo has been in a loop for >10 years now. This new leadership and the shit state needs to change a lot
Ode to the Chief...
"Were it so easy"
I'm hoping that the IP owners listen to your fair use instead of going full misquoted Arbiter.
"Asshole... You must be silenced."
I'm fully prepared to go to war with Paramount over season 2. 🐙
I actully keep forgetting this series exists. It was so boring and forgettable that without all the youtubers reminding me, I would have let this memeory die. And, I think that's somehow worse than if I hated this show and constantly hated it.
That does effectively say something when a show is that forgettable. Since a good movie can be remembered, just as much as a bad one. But a forgettable mediocre film/show? Being forgotten is the worst fate for anything.
I think the influence of the books is what is on display in these shows. While I enjoyed the Greg Bear series of books(RIP), which are proper military scifi (except for a few). The rest of the books are hot garbage melodrama.
I also have the sneaking suspicion that today's "modern" writers are too "critical" to write anything that optimistically portrays humanity. Hence, why they downplay the covenant and their Jihad against humanity, which places humanity in the right to defend themselves against an enemy that is actively genociding them, and showing the heroism and bravery of those defending humanity against the darkening void. After all you can't let good story and morality get in the way of a political-quasi-religiously motivated narrative.
Would you count Eric Nylund's stuff as proper sci fi? I quite liked how he set up a lot of the groundwork for the setting in the Fall of Reach and First Strike books.
I havent seen the show, only snippets of it, but I gotta say, the covenant's design is utter garbage. The elites look nothing like the incredible designs in H2A or H3, and I don't remember a single purple hallway. I can somewhat understand the elites not looking as good, I bet that the H2A elites would be a pain to make in cgi. But man does it hurt to only see the same blue-grey armor on 50 different guys.
And why does chief just stand still with no cover while being shot at? He's is definitely capable of running and shooting at the same time, and he certainly knows that he should at the very least hide behind cover and not let his shields drain
(still havent seen the show, I could be completely wrong)
... We still didnt find dustin...
Reclaimers and Forerunners are the same species. I will hear no debate, 343i fanfiction is not cannon.
wait jon halo gaems have a story? WOW!
Keep the gate!
I thought something was different with the jellyfish! Ya changed the tie, idk i liked it the way it was, it looked better without it wrapping around the lump imo
I liked the simplicity of the original design. But too many people confused it for a mouth and black tongue. Following enough feedback I did some test and adjustments and I'm pretty happy with the new look.
5:46 rip that elite
There’s nothing friendly about friendly fire.
Pablo no charachter development
Huh?
Not over it but its turn into an ambient malaise. Now i just watch critiques, trying to piece together the aspects of the crime. It has a rich lore. :l
Good thing the leadership who approved this crap is gone, Kiki Wolfkill, Frank O’Connor and the KK of Halo Bonnie Ross
as far as iam concerned the tv show and the games made by 343 are all garbage and not cannon, you very right on all your points because iam pissed at how lazy halo infinite is and the tv show
love your videos, but I can barely hear you
I just want to say: fuck this multiverse bullshit excuse.
It actually boggles my mind how these hacks manage to bungle a halo show. Next to star wars, it's the easiest thing to create good content for (even as a cash grab) because all of the work in both cases has already been done. The arrogance that these companies, publishers, actors , writers, developers, and showrunners, approach these well established stories with is staggering. To have such disrespect for the opportunity to create a story situated in either of these worlds shows the contempt that these people have for the material and the people who love it.
I was saying this to myself for a long time after watching tons of videos on this series, they not only poorly stole halos....well everything but they didn't even make a good sci fi show, or a good show at all, I could forgive them a little if they told their own story and told it well with some references, sorta like how the sonic movies take characters and other things from the games but tell their own story, but they failed to do even that, it's almost commendable how badly they fucked up, sure lots of people watched it cause it's ya know, halo, one of the biggest franchises out there even separated from the games but as far as I can tell, E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E hates it, like how the hell do you even manage that?
To me theae streaming services hope you will go on to watch other programmes, i think they misunderstood we would all quit them when they ruin our favourite films/games etc
Master Chief took his helmet off in episode 1. It's such a simple thing to not do yet they did. As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to watch this show.
The problem, or at least one major problem with adapting a shooter like Halo to TV or film is that in passive media like those having 95% of what happens be gunfights isn't really all that fun. It's great in interactive media like video games because *you're* the one controlling it, making dozens of tiny yet important decisions every few seconds. Without that, it loses a lot of the appeal. Not all of it of course, there's still the actual choreography, the background of the fight and how it looks (Halo in particular has some fantastic views and locales for its levels), etc. But a lot of it is lost. And since the games typically have relatively small percentages of them devoted to narrative that doesn't leave a lot for a show to go with. How do you stretch the story of John Halo in Halo 1 into twelve 45 minute episodes, 9 hours, when a decent player can beat the entire game in less than that?
I think you either have to accept that it's going to be a shorter miniseries, or a film, and work with that understanding that 9 hours is just too long.... or you make new shit up to fill that time, fill that episode count. Have new things happen, introduce new characters and story beats. Establish a ~new continuity~ so that you can just do whatever you want, thus making fans ask the question of why you didn't just make your own original thing instead of butchering the thing they love.
Clearly the people in charge of the Halo television series chose option 2. A real pity.
I'm not watching season 2 or anything connected to the "silver timeline". Halo is teetering on the edge of oblivion and everyone involved seems hell bent on pushing it into the abyss.
Can't remember something you never watched. 343i has mishandled this series so badly from day one. You asked if anyone else was over the fact that they couldn't get excited anymore and yeah... been way over that. Haven't been excited for a new Halo project since Halo 4. Passed way beyond anger and am just laughing at 343i's attempts lately.
Hmm
There was some talk claiming this was supposed to be a mass effect live action story...
Then again it is so painfully generic and forced it could be any series.
Humans invaded by aliens, but keeps forgetting the aliens to show that humans are awful and diversity always wins... Regardless of time, place, people, situation, logic, or even making sure the enemy trying to murder you all is defeated!
Seriously they went out of their way to make master chief kill himself and not kill the literal leaders of the enemy just so a clone of a.clone and clone itself into his mind being based off a crazy lying power hungry lunatic in the hopes the exact memory clone will not become a genocidal AI set out to kill humanity.
That is even more crazy than what happened in the freaking games!
I did not watch to the part where MC is digging a hole while Halsey watches.
Who tf thought that was something anyone wanted to see in a Halo show? Looks like a crap sci fi like stargate with a halo paint job lol. Lmao even.
And its not even a decent Star Gate comparison, they at least had decent stakes
Heresy. Treason.
Then again, I'm not defending disney wars either.
"I love HALO."
*shows soulless MCC version of HALO 2 cutscenes*
I thought the work done by Blur studios on Halo 2 anniversary was excellent.
@@workingjellyfish Agreed! They brought a fun re-imagining of those old cutscenes and made them awesome.
I really wanted to like this show and I think after a year there are some things the show got right… ish. Hear me out, the armor of the Spartans and the gear looks good, same with costumes, for the most part. The fight scenes (all 3 or 4 of them…) look and feel like Halo. The show falls flat with its plot and it’s writing as you pointed out, no steaks, plot makes little to no sense. They could fix it if they bothered to listen to the reception from “fans” but so far it sounds like they want to double down with their crap sort of like what Disney has been doing with Star Wars. With season 2 on the horizon they have a chance to fix a lot of the problems people had with season 1 and hey I’ll tune in for the first episodes and give it a shot, what else am I going to do to get my Halo fix? But honestly i feel like the Halo show will die before they even get to Halo
I wasnt surpised in the slightest that master chief removed his helmet. And to be honest - im ok with it. That the reveal came so early just because of this annoying sidekick - that was the point, where i assumed the writers had no interest in halo at all - what made the big reveal kind of bleak and similar to the reaction of "the answer to all questions". For them, halo just served as a vessel to reach a bigger audience.
I also dont think that farmes far away and their the lack of unserstanding that there is such thing than the covenant empire is incoherent. You could argue - that they have no clue whats going on, because of the distance and that they cant afford a passage to other planets who are aware of the situation. So all whats left are rumors. History shows what tyranny, fear and brainwashing can lead to...but than work it out better.
It has the look of Halo, some of the story bits of Halo, but wasn't Halo. Its someone elses crappy sci fi show with a halo coat of paint. And it is so very, very dumb. Prop designers did well though, I'll give them that.
Like the best part of the show is in the first episode and then that weird dream sequence where Chief beats Kwan's ass over and over again, because wow she was such a hateable character, and as one of the main cast, thats very bad.
If they wanted it modern or whatever, they could have just made a show about Johnson leading up to the start of Halo 1. Johnson as the main character would be fucking great, and theres a number of black dudes who could pull it off. We don't know that story so you have a good amount of free reign over a long time period.
I accidentally disliked this. I’m here to apologize before watching your season 2 review 🍻🎉 much love and appreciate the good quality critiques